Lively Case Discussion #613 5/4 - 5/5/2007

[Angiex911dsptchr]

I'm messing up my quotes today.  I try to be good about that.

 LOL  
  I been here since the beginning.. and I still mess up quotes  

[Angiex911dsptchr]

What has that Dutch 20 man team done besides poke a few holes in the ground and walk some dogs around? They must have had a plan B after the VDS search. This reminds me of the dune search: they came, they looked, they left.

Hairs, fibers, possible luminol test(s) in various areas, carpet/padding  samples from house/cars, EVERYTHING THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE FIRST FEW DAYS.

The samples were overnighted a week ago to NL. Test results , including GC/MS take less than a day. The 20 experts in Aruba seem to be taking a vacation and I am starting to believe that is exactly what they are doing. They appear to have no plan.

 

 Spock.. you think it was all for show then in your opinion?
 I thought it takes longer then a week to run forensics?  Hair..soil.. etc??

[LilPuma]

I know Klaas always posts links, but did you guys see the "Monkeys are People Too" article on the FP?  Also, Red did an excellent article that quotes some tourists about Joran's book.  Aruban tourists.  

[Easywriter]

Tcumom and Anna  TY.. guess I am a bit dense.. lol  

Welll, you aren’t the only one.  I immediately thought of an old Allman Brothers’ LP that was a little controversial. lol  Couldn’t put it together.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Tcumom and Anna  TY.. guess I am a bit dense.. lol  

Welll, you aren’t the only one.  I immediately thought of an old Allman Brothers’ LP that was a little controversial. lol  Couldn’t put it together.

   
Allman Brothers .. good group Easy!
Midnight Riders.. Whipping Post  

[bleachedblack]

What has that Dutch 20 man team done besides poke a few holes in the ground and walk some dogs around? They must have had a plan B after the VDS search. This reminds me of the dune search: they came, they looked, they left.

Hairs, fibers, possible luminol test(s) in various areas, carpet/padding  samples from house/cars, EVERYTHING THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE FIRST FEW DAYS.

The samples were overnighted a week ago to NL. Test results , including GC/MS take less than a day. The 20 experts in Aruba seem to be taking a vacation and I am starting to believe that is exactly what they are doing. They appear to have no plan.

Despite the urgency we might feel, even if it is true that the "samples were overnighted",  I am sure there are other cases that are also a priority. I am not sure where exaxtly this falls in the order of priority, not to mention that they were sent on a weekend. I am not sure if this has any effect on rapidity of testing. I personally don't think in any way shape or form that the KLPD was looking to vacation.

[Easywriter]

Do people from the Netherlands actually vacation in Aruba, or do they go somewhere safe?  

[BTgirl]

Do people from the Netherlands actually vacation in Aruba, or do they go somewhere safe?  

If they're smart, they'll go to France or Spain - closer, safer, prettier, and cleaner.  

[LilPuma]

Do people from the Netherlands actually vacation in Aruba, or do they go somewhere safe?  

Don't know.  I used to meet a lot of Canadians in Mexico and the Caribbean, as well as some French and Germans and South Americans.  Never anyone Dutch.  

Little tidbit I read about tourism:  US tourism brings something like $107.4 BILLION into the country.  

[klaasend]

What has that Dutch 20 man team done besides poke a few holes in the ground and walk some dogs around? They must have had a plan B after the VDS search. This reminds me of the dune search: they came, they looked, they left.

Hairs, fibers, possible luminol test(s) in various areas, carpet/padding  samples from house/cars, EVERYTHING THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE FIRST FEW DAYS.

The samples were overnighted a week ago to NL. Test results , including GC/MS take less than a day. The 20 experts in Aruba seem to be taking a vacation and I am starting to believe that is exactly what they are doing. They appear to have no plan.

Despite the urgency we might feel, even if it is true that the "samples were overnighted",  I am sure there are other cases that are also a priority. I am not sure where exaxtly this falls in the order of priority, not to mention that they were sent on a weekend. I am not sure if this has any effect on rapidity of testing. I personally don't think in any way shape or form that the KLPD was looking to vacation.

Not only that, last Monday was Queens day so I'm sure nobody was doing any testing that day.

[bleachedblack]

Do people from the Netherlands actually vacation in Aruba, or do they go somewhere safe?  

Don't know.  I used to meet a lot of Canadians in Mexico and the Caribbean, as well as some French and Germans and South Americans.  Never anyone Dutch.  

Little tidbit I read about tourism:  US tourism brings something like $107.4 BILLION into the country.  

I am not sure why I am thinking they tend to go more toward Thailand, Singapore, Indonesia.....could be all wrong.

[Spock]

What has that Dutch 20 man team done besides poke a few holes in the ground and walk some dogs around? They must have had a plan B after the VDS search. This reminds me of the dune search: they came, they looked, they left.

Hairs, fibers, possible luminol test(s) in various areas, carpet/padding  samples from house/cars, EVERYTHING THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE FIRST FEW DAYS.

The samples were overnighted a week ago to NL. Test results , including GC/MS take less than a day. The 20 experts in Aruba seem to be taking a vacation and I am starting to believe that is exactly what they are doing. They appear to have no plan.

Despite the urgency we might feel, even if it is true that the "samples were overnighted",  I am sure there are other cases that are also a priority. I am not sure where exaxtly this falls in the order of priority, not to mention that they were sent on a weekend. I am not sure if this has any effect on rapidity of testing. I personally don't think in any way shape or form that the KLPD was looking to vacation.

This has little to do with urgency, it is a clear lack of planning. If you are going to send a "crack" investigative team from the NL to Aruba, you dont expect them to take samples and wait for two weeks to plan you next task. You go with a plan: (1) execute a search warrant on the VDS residence and take samples (2) investigate area B while waiting on test results. What I see here is a one dimensional investigation and a coverup that leads to Holland.

[LilPuma]

I'd guess that the lab people would put a 2-year-old case behind any current cases they have.  It's not like the investigators have to track down their suspect if the tests come up with something.  Where could a 6'5" guy with two seriously mismatched feet hide?  

[LilPuma]

This has little to do with urgency, it is a clear lack of planning. If you are going to send a "crack" investigative team from the NL to Aruba, you dont expect them to take samples and wait for two weeks to plan you next task. You go with a plan: (1) execute a search warrant on the VDS residence and take samples (2) investigate area B while waiting on test results. What I see here is a one dimensional investigation and a coverup that leads to Holland.

Put that way, it does sound suspicious and sounds like Joey's story is right.   I can only say that I won't condemn until we know more.  The fact that their actions aren't being made public doesn't mean they're windsurfing.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

I'd guess that the lab people would put a 2-year-old case behind any current cases they have.  It's not like the investigators have to track down their suspect if the tests come up with something.  Where could a 6'5" guy with two seriously mismatched feet hide?  

 

 

 If forensics need to be done on any type of samples the investigators took.. IF they indeed took any?  Its going to be Well  over a week before any tests are conclusive.  IMO I may add..

[Rob]

Spock- If I may ~ This is a one dimensional investigation because the crime scene has been ID'd. Now PROVE IT.

There never was another area they were going to look at. The VDS crime scene reeks of cover-up.. you know all the reasons.

It's all IN right now!

[Easywriter]

Where is area B?

[Angiex911dsptchr]

This has little to do with urgency, it is a clear lack of planning. If you are going to send a "crack" investigative team from the NL to Aruba, you dont expect them to take samples and wait for two weeks to plan you next task. You go with a plan: (1) execute a search warrant on the VDS residence and take samples (2) investigate area B while waiting on test results. What I see here is a one dimensional investigation and a coverup that leads to Holland.

Put that way, it does sound suspicious and sounds like Joey's story is right.   I can only say that I won't condemn until we know more.  The fact that their actions aren't being made public doesn't mean they're windsurfing.

 I agree,, and I am hoping tight lips sink ships at this point.
 We dont know jackshit at this point.. and if this was ALL for show..  then this case is done and over with. Someone has to have some integrity.. yah would think?    Never seen anything like this in all my life.

[Easywriter]

If a tip indeed brought about this latest search and anything at all was found to confirm the validity of the tip, talking to that person again would be priority one, IMO.

[bleachedblack]

What has that Dutch 20 man team done besides poke a few holes in the ground and walk some dogs around? They must have had a plan B after the VDS search. This reminds me of the dune search: they came, they looked, they left.

Hairs, fibers, possible luminol test(s) in various areas, carpet/padding  samples from house/cars, EVERYTHING THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE FIRST FEW DAYS.

The samples were overnighted a week ago to NL. Test results , including GC/MS take less than a day. The 20 experts in Aruba seem to be taking a vacation and I am starting to believe that is exactly what they are doing. They appear to have no plan.

Despite the urgency we might feel, even if it is true that the "samples were overnighted",  I am sure there are other cases that are also a priority. I am not sure where exaxtly this falls in the order of priority, not to mention that they were sent on a weekend. I am not sure if this has any effect on rapidity of testing. I personally don't think in any way shape or form that the KLPD was looking to vacation.

This has little to do with urgency, it is a clear lack of planning. If you are going to send a "crack" investigative team from the NL to Aruba, you dont expect them to take samples and wait for two weeks to plan you next task. You go with a plan: (1) execute a search warrant on the VDS residence and take samples (2) investigate area B while waiting on test results. What I see here is a one dimensional investigation and a coverup that leads to Holland.

Tim Miller is going to search the only "area B" I can think of.....that's the ocean.