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« Reply #1600 on: January 22, 2010, 09:39:17 PM »

I sure wish they would have searched the landfill sooner 
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« Reply #1601 on: January 22, 2010, 09:46:40 PM »

I sure wish they would have searched the landfill sooner 

This is just so heart-breaking. 
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« Reply #1602 on: January 22, 2010, 09:55:56 PM »

I sure wish they would have searched the landfill sooner 

This is just so heart-breaking. 
It sure is Boo - it is confusing as to why search now - did they learn something new or are they just trying to rule things out seeing as she isn't talking?  I wish we were able to see the discovery so far in this case.
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« Reply #1603 on: January 22, 2010, 10:07:06 PM »

Was the diaper bag and/or backpack found in the hotel room/vehicle following Elizabeth's apprehension?

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LE has not said.  They have only said the carseat was in the car. 

Thanks Northern Rose

In my flip flopping in regards to whether Gabriel was given away or died at the hands of his mother ... it has always bothered me that the carseat was found in the vehicle.  Apparently ... Tammi had purchased Gabriel a new carseat prior to journey to San Antonio.  Why would the new adoptive parents not take it?

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« Reply #1604 on: January 22, 2010, 10:40:07 PM »

obviously they are searching to cover all poignant parts of of the case. ( wishful thinking).    Something about Tammi's lack of concern and smugness bothers me though. It is as if she knows something. Tammi is a few fries short of a happy meal and she is all about herself. Karma will rear it's head when it is time as far she is concerned. Just like it did with Ron and Misty.  Are they searching on a tip or is it about time they did this? They are pretty tight lipped it is not like the sunshine law in Fl. where we are all informed of the different aspects of the Anthony and Cummings cases there. I pray he is with a family Tammi hooked up, but there is a part of me that thinks Elizabeth snapped and killed her child. Pretty similar to what Casey did. They are of same cloth, neither cared about their children, both went shopping and had their nails done, and both only showed concern for themselves and not their children when apprehended by LE.
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« Reply #1605 on: January 22, 2010, 11:08:23 PM »

Comments have vanished off of EJ's Myspace

http://www.myspace.com/elizj86

Here is the screen shot I did when the case broke, notice online now Vanessa on Dec 28 has gone poof!

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« Reply #1606 on: January 22, 2010, 11:12:42 PM »

Updated timeline which includes emails Tammi and EJ sent back and forth.

Gabriel Johnson Timeline v4

July -  Logan alleged, she became enraged when he didn't return home from work on time and took a knife to his clothing, the couch and the baby crib. She broke dishes and took a cooking pan and smashed the TV while the baby was in the Tempe apartment.

They were forced to move into another apartment.
http://www.azcentral.com/community/tempe/articles/2010/01/17/20100117missingbaby0117.html

September - Johnson got out of control again in September when she got mad at her brother on the phone. She cut up the baby's clothes and the crib and broke every window in the apartment. Johnson spent the evening in jail and went through a diversion program on the criminal-damage charges, according to Tempe Municipal Court records.
http://www.azcentral.com/community/tempe/articles/2010/01/17/20100117missingbaby0117.html

Dec 8: Fight between EJ and Logan and EJ tells Logan to leave. He does. 
Logan -Last time I saw them was the 8th of December. She wanted me out of the house. And we talked and split up. And I gave him a kiss and put him in his bed. Last time I saw him.

Dec 8 – Craigslist Ad
Live in nanny wanted free rent
8 Dec 2009 ... provide free rent and free food. female wanted for the job. i myself am a single female. please call XXX-XXX-XXXX. no emails please. ...
phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/wan/1501107108.html

Dec 9: Eliz calls Logan at work and tells him she wants him to relinquish his paternal rights so she can give Gabriel up for adoption. He refuses. Eliz takes Gabriel to the Smiths, then calls LE & says Logan has taken Gabriel & she doesn't know where Gabriel is. Gabriel found 6 hours later at the Smiths.  A Tempe detective at the Smiths when Gabriel is found sees the papers the Smiths have drawn up about temporary guardianship. Gabriel spends 8 days with the Smiths.

Dec 10 – Craigslist Ad
$400 room for rent (tempe)
Date: 2009-12-10, 8:09AM MST

hi i have a room for rent it has its own private bathroom. the community is directly across the street from az mills mall. rent is 400 a month no security deposit required. rent includes free utilities, cable, phone and i have internet here. call XXX-XXX-XXXX if interested.
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/roo/1503595618.html


Dec 11 Court date McQueary petitioned for full custody of Gabriel

Dec 11 – Craigslist Ad
Date: 2009-12-11, 10:50AM MST

Hi I have my 3 pomeranians i need to rehome. they are between 2 and 3 years old. 2 females both black and white, and a tan male all not fixed. rehoming applies. no emails please and sorry i am not able to post pics, so you will have to stop by to see them. call me at XXX-XXX-XXXX leave a message if i'm not their i will be a bit busy today.
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/pet/1505423124.html

Dec 11 – Craigslist Ad
$400 Room for Rent (Tempe)
Date: 2009-12-11, 10:51AM MST
Hi I have one bedroom for rent, available immediately. good sized room, own bathroom good location. In a community across the street form az mills mall. I own the home. REnt is 400 includes everthing, i have cable and a house phone and interenet connection. Room comes with a bed. call XXX-XXX-XXXX leave a message if i dont pick up i'll be out for the day.
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/roo/1505414750.html


Dec 12 Ad
Published at 08-12-2009
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live in nanny wanted free rent (tempe)
hi i am in need of a full time live in nanny so i can go back to work. i dont have any family to help me out with my 7 month baby. i can only provide free rent and free food. female wanted for the job. i myself am a single female. please call XXX-XXX-XXXX. no emails please.
http://soldphoenix.com/job/140436/live-in-nanny-wanted-free-rent-tempe-at/

Dec 12 – Craigslist Ad
pomeranians to rehome (tempe)
Date: 2009-12-12, 11:50AM MST

Hi I need to find home for my two pomeranians. one is two he is a tan male, the other is a smaller black and white female with lush coat she is 3 years old, both are not fixed. they are 75 dollars each, potty trained as well. i am sorry I am not able to send/post pics, and no emails please, just call me at XXX-XXX-XXXX
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/pet/1507014020.html

Dec 12 – Craigslist Ad
free baby stuff (tempe)
Date: 2009-12-12, 7:02PM MST

hi i have a lot of free baby stuff to give away. call in the morning tomorrow-XXX-XXX-XXXX

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/zip/1507588240.html

Dec 14 .  an emergency request for temporary custody without notice to the mother.  McQueary wrote in his complaint that Johnson hid the baby at a friend's house until police finally found the boy at 3:30 in the morning.
http://www.azcentral.com/community/tempe/articles/2010/01/17/20100117missingbaby0117.html

Dec 14  - In her petition for custody on Dec. 14, Johnson wrote that there were "two potential fathers," and requested that both McQueary and another man, Craig Cherry, take paternity tests.  Tammi Smith later admits she wrote the name of her first cousin Craig Cherry on the documents. 

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Court-records-paint-new-picture-in-Tempe-missing/6PhW8F-82kSl7PwFqFdGgw.cspx

Dec 14 – Ad
Today (Monday, Dec 14)
free baby stuff (tempe): hi i have a lot of free baby stuff to give away. call in the morning tomorrow- XXX-XXX-XXXX
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:m5poc5PDungJ:twillage.com/search%3Fq%3D%26d%3DThursday,%2520Nov%252026%26city%3Dtempe%26state%3Daz%26country%3Dus+480-456-3608&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

Dec 15 EJ tells Grampa Robert "I'm taking care of business."
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2010/01/10/20100110missingbaby0110.html

Dec 17: Court orders that Logan is Gabriel's father.

Dec 18: EJ picks up Gabriel from the Smiths for a weekend visit with Logan. Tammi says EJ tells them to meet at a park for the handoff

Dec 20  - Logan  asked again for temporary full custody six days later and told the court she "will run with Gabriel Johnson and hide."
http://www.azcentral.com/community/tempe/articles/2010/01/17/20100117missingbaby0117.html

On December 21 or 22, Elizabeth Johnson hired a babysitter, Analisa Urias, whom she had found on craigslist.com, and went out for a couple of hours in the afternoon.

http://www.woai.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=787786@woai.dayport.com&navCatId=5

Dec 21 - in a petition to enforce child-custody determination, he wrote, "When Elizabeth gets mad, she can and will hurt the baby."
http://www.azcentral.com/community/tempe/articles/2010/01/17/20100117missingbaby0117.html

Dec 22-27th  Elizabeth Johnson stayed in San Antonio at the Homegate Studio and suits and the Quality Inn on i-10.

Dec 26: Gabriel and Elizabeth seen at Raymond Russell Park in San Antonio.
MAY NOT BE TRUE
Johnson gave her baby away in a Texas park.
San Antonio news stations reported the name of a specific park where Johnson met the mystery couple, Carbajal said. But he said police are unaware of any such park.
http://www.azcentral.com/community/tempe/articles/2010/01/17/20100117missingbaby0117.html

Dec 27 – Logan gets a text and call from EJ saying Gabriel is dead.  Though police say they are confident the baby is alive, McQueary said in his statement that Johnson called him after she disappeared with the boy, saying she was planning to leave the country, and that she would tell him where Gabriel's "blue" dead body was once she had crossed the border.

McQueary also said she texted him around that time period, saying she had killed the baby.

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Court-records-paint-new-picture-in-Tempe-missing/6PhW8F-82kSl7PwFqFdGgw.cspx

Dec 27 11:45 Elizabeth seen parking her car at Hotel 6, sitting for 5 mins, getting out with a large backpack, and walking across street to Tornado Bus

Dec 27 Just before Noon Elizabeth buys ticket to Fort Myers, FL . for for $180.00  Tornado Bus and waits for bus which leaves at 1:00pm.  Only white person on bus.

Dec 28 Elizabeth failed to appear at a custody hearing in Maricopa County Superior Court's Family Court in Phoenix AZ on Dec 28

Dec 28 Friend Vanessa posts a Comment on Elizabeth’s Myspace “tell me about ur new life. : )  im curious!! How was ur xmas??

Dec 29 12:36 29 PM On Dec 29 at a little after noon, Elizabeth posted on her MySpace:
"kiss my ass suckas!!" Mood: adventurous Posted at 12:36 29 Dec 2009

Dec 29 5:51PM From Tammi to Elizabeth
I believe in my heart that you would never hurt him, but the detectives have a recording of you telling Logan that you killed him and you sounded very scared and distraught. We are also distraught! We love Gabriel and You, and you are going to get yourself in a lot trouble if you don'...t come forward very, very soon. As we told you all this time, if you do the right thing, everything will work out for the good. I really mean that! The lead Detective on this case really feels for you and he wants to help you!!! You can call Detective Aguilera at XXXXXXX..He truly wants to help you! He is also a Negotiator and he said that what Logan and his dad did to you was very wrong and uncalled for. He said so far you aren't in any trouble because you were technically never served yet. But if you don't come forward soon, you could be in some serious trouble. Just call detective Aguilera, Please...

Dec 29 6:43 PM From Elizabeth to tammifay (myspace)
tammi, i will never come forward, yes what i said was wrong but i wanted him to hurt like he hurt me so thats why i said all that. me and gabriel are fine, in fact great i just got a full time job under a fake name and the owner is very understanding of my situation, and is willing to hel...p me get new id's and stuff. I can not let you or anyone else no where i am, just know i am getting lots of help, i am very smart and resourceful, and that i am one of the most compedant people you will ever meet. I have always taken care of myself bymyself as long as i can remember. i can't call in fear of phone records. I am ever worried this email can be traced to where i am, so i probably won't email again, but i had to let you know we are all right because i know you must be worried sick, and i am soo sorry for that i really am. YOU and jack are such good people.

Dec 30 7:49AM
From Tammi  To Elizabeth
12/30/2009 7:49 AM To: elizabeth

Thank you so much for letting me know that your both are OK! I miss that little angel! I knew that you could never hurt him. A mother has to really love her child enough to give him up to a good family in order to give him a more meaningfully life.
Be safe,
Tammi

Dec 30 - Elizabeth was arrested Dec 30 at a youth hostel in Miami Beach FL
International Fun House 230 20th street

Dec 31 10:09 AM From Tammi To Elizabeth
Ok, I'm gonna try to help you here and I pray that you understand and do the right thing so you and Gabriel can be free forever!

Detective Patricia Ramirez came here yesterday to do an interview with us. She is now leading the investigation. Because she deals with Homicide and Sex Crimes. She said that if you go to any police officer (wright down your name and Gabriel's name with Det. Ramirez name and phone # (XXX) XXX-XXXX on it and give to the officer) tell him to take a good look at you two and then once you leave he can call Det. Ramirez to let her know you two are both safe.

Dec 31 11:36AM Tammi posts a comment on Elizabeth’s Myspace  “Read my message titled "Gabriel" “

Jan 5 Police in San Antonio located her car at the Motel 6, near I-35 and Zarzamora

Jan 7 Jack and Tammi Smith of Scottsdale, AZ, are named "persons of interest."  Police think they may know what happened to Gabriel.

Jan 9  Johnson extradited from Dade County Jail to Maricopa County Jail

Jan 14 Jack and Tammi Smith’s house searched

Jan 20 – Police Interview Jack’s son, house in Tennessee

****No idea what date Tammi sent this to Elizabeth
Email:
I know you didn't kill him, but the police don't know that. There just need to verify he's not dead or hurt and you can live the rest of your life, not having to hide anymore!!! All you have to do is take a long drive and see a cop on the side of the road in a city and give him the paper and ask him to call her to va...rify you two are safe. You don't need to tell him why....As one of the officers said, you are not in trouble, you have the right to take your own child. But it's like having a parking ticket and robbing the bank to pay your parking ticket. If you never paid that parking ticket, you wouldn't be in trouble...But if you do an armed robbery at the bank they will send out a Nationwide search for you like they will in a few days if you don't show that he is safe. But it needs to be verified through a police officer in order to stop it from going to the FBI.

OTHERWISE: They are starting a Homicide Investigation! What that means is: Right now (today), your not in trouble. Your one of millions of mothers that leaves the state to keep her child safe from the horrible father. It's NOT kidnapping! You have every right to take your own child. You can even look on Public Reco...rds, there is NO warrent out for you....BUT, because of what you said, if you don't do this in the next few days, it will turn into a Murder Investigation and Detective Ramirez can no longer help. The FBI will pick the case up and you will be seen on America's Most Wanted! Your face will be seen everywhere and nobody will want to help you because they will believe you are a murderer... You will be going on with your life and when you least expect it (someone you thought was your friend wanted a $25,000.00 reward, and quitely turned you in).

****Still need to add dates of EJ’s craiglist ads selling her laptop, sighting at restaurant , date Janet Morris house was searched. 
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« Reply #1607 on: January 22, 2010, 11:16:28 PM »

Amazing what you can buy from Craigslist

Loving couple hopes to adopt a baby (Fort Worth)
Date: 2009-12-26, 3:36PM CST
Reply to: comm-prfpg-1520463333@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]

A loving couple in their 30's has been persistant in their attempts to adopt for 6 years now. The adoption agency that they were going through, went bankrupt and most of the money and time that was spent during the process was lost. They are highly qualified to care for a child and carry the warmth in their hearts to show them more love and encouragment, than anyone could imagine. They are seeking someone who is in a difficult situation and is looking for a safe and loving home for their child. There are benifits of contacting someone directly as opposed to an adoption agency: If the child is unborn, all medical bills will be paid for. This couple would be blessed with a child instantly rather than waiting an additional 6 years to adopt. They are open to sharing photos and corresponding with the biological mother. You would be giving this family an incredible gift! If you or someone you know is searching for a family to bless with the gift of life please respond to this ad. If you are interested in finding out more about this couple, they are more than happy to connect with you in any way.

Location: Fort Worth
it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
 
PostingID: 1520463333

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/vnn/1520463333.html
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« Reply #1608 on: January 22, 2010, 11:18:55 PM »

Wanna Adopt a Baby? Try MySpace.

When you are looking to adopt a child, how do you generate the kind of buzz you need without major label support? Set up a MySpace page, of course! This was the reasoning of one Michigan couple, who decided to turn to the site as a method of finding a little girl to add to their family. The couple opted for MySpace in part because of the high cost of adoptions and the length of the adoption process, which can take two years.

I can already hear the story they’ll tell their adopted child: “When your birth mom saw that our favorite band was Arcade Fire too, she knew we’d provide the best home for you.”

The couple posted a message to a “mother-to-be” and go on to say, “We cannot imagine how difficult making an adoption plan for you and your child must be… Thank you for including our profile in your search for the right family to raise your baby.”  They have yet to receive any baby offers, but they have generated quite a response: more than 17,000 messages of encouragement since Monday. Plus they now have a ton of friends on their profile. How come the only friend offers I ever get are from freaks and spammers? But I bet they would have had more luck finding a baby on craigslist.

Actually, since the site is so popular with the kids these days, maybe it’s not such a bad way to find a teen mom looking for a home for her baby. Remember the old days, when you had to hang out at the mall to find teen moms? But a word of caution: if the page gets hacked, they might end up with 200 strange babies at their house…

http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/strollerderby/archive/2007/04/26/wanna-adopt-a-baby-try-myspace.aspx
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« Reply #1609 on: January 22, 2010, 11:19:41 PM »

wow Thanks rose... I feel like an amature with all of this I keep asking questions and when I get around to researching and reading and get the answers I say oops... I know this has been said but I read the more of the articles and discovered my blunders. Apparently her father died before the mother aprox. 1 year before Elizabeths mom died and Elizabeth and her brother were in foster care since 12 yrs. old I think I need to research before I post, hopefully I will get better at this.
This whole landfill thing is scary.
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« Reply #1610 on: January 22, 2010, 11:26:06 PM »

Amazing what you can buy from Craigslist

Loving couple hopes to adopt a baby (Fort Worth)
Date: 2009-12-26, 3:36PM CST
Reply to: comm-prfpg-1520463333@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]

A loving couple in their 30's has been persistant in their attempts to adopt for 6 years now. The adoption agency that they were going through, went bankrupt and most of the money and time that was spent during the process was lost. They are highly qualified to care for a child and carry the warmth in their hearts to show them more love and encouragment, than anyone could imagine. They are seeking someone who is in a difficult situation and is looking for a safe and loving home for their child. There are benifits of contacting someone directly as opposed to an adoption agency: If the child is unborn, all medical bills will be paid for. This couple would be blessed with a child instantly rather than waiting an additional 6 years to adopt. They are open to sharing photos and corresponding with the biological mother. You would be giving this family an incredible gift! If you or someone you know is searching for a family to bless with the gift of life please respond to this ad. If you are interested in finding out more about this couple, they are more than happy to connect with you in any way.

Location: Fort Worth
it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
 
PostingID: 1520463333

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/vnn/1520463333.html

I just looked at a map and Fort Worth would be a easy drive to Houston where the bus would be going through on Dec 27th. 
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« Reply #1611 on: January 22, 2010, 11:37:37 PM »

ABC Nightline is covering Gabriel right now.
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« Reply #1612 on: January 22, 2010, 11:48:00 PM »

EJ was very detached and cold not offering any info to investigators when she was picked up in Miami beach

Tammi Says - after meeting EJ at airport within 5 whole minutes Tammi asked her about adoption

EJ told Tammi  she had someone to change their SS cards and identities

EJ told Tammi the people that have Gabriel are white and in their 30's.

Tammi regrets falsifying paternity papers

Tammi says ANYONE AND EVERYONE involved has told a lie, there is not one innocent person that has not said one fib 
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« Reply #1613 on: January 22, 2010, 11:59:17 PM »

Thanks for the info Northern Rose.  Tammi so full of snit.....I love the good advice she gives EJ in that email.......and then she says this;

"Your one of millions of mothers that leaves the state to keep her child safe from the horrible father. It's NOT kidnapping!" 

WTH? 
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« Reply #1614 on: January 23, 2010, 12:01:58 AM »

Thanks for the info Northern Rose.  Tammi so full of snit.....I love the good advice she gives EJ in that email.......and then she says this;

"Your one of millions of mothers that leaves the state to keep her child safe from the horrible father. It's NOT kidnapping!" 

WTH? 

I am concerned about the CL ad of the couple in their 30's and EJ told Tammi that Gabriel is with a couple in their 30's.   
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« Reply #1615 on: January 23, 2010, 12:02:10 AM »

I heard her say that about the "fib" - Yeah Tammi the only people who have "fibbed" if that is what she wants to call it, are HER, JACK and EJ... ..she is nuts
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« Reply #1616 on: January 23, 2010, 12:05:28 AM »

Thanks for the info Northern Rose.  Tammi so full of snit.....I love the good advice she gives EJ in that email.......and then she says this;

"Your one of millions of mothers that leaves the state to keep her child safe from the horrible father. It's NOT kidnapping!" 

WTH? 

I am concerned about the CL ad of the couple in their 30's and EJ told Tammi that Gabriel is with a couple in their 30's.   
That is disturbing - could it be?  And is this even legal?  Does LE know about this listing?
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« Reply #1617 on: January 23, 2010, 12:09:46 AM »

Thanks for the info Northern Rose.  Tammi so full of snit.....I love the good advice she gives EJ in that email.......and then she says this;

"Your one of millions of mothers that leaves the state to keep her child safe from the horrible father. It's NOT kidnapping!" 

WTH? 

I am concerned about the CL ad of the couple in their 30's and EJ told Tammi that Gabriel is with a couple in their 30's.   
That is disturbing - could it be?  And is this even legal?  Does LE know about this listing?

I have no idea if LE knows.  The toll free numbers don't work for me to call as I am not in the US.   I am hoping someone has let them know as the ad was posted Dec 26 and EJ took the bus Dec 27. 
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« Reply #1618 on: January 23, 2010, 12:24:57 AM »

Thanks for the info Northern Rose.  Tammi so full of snit.....I love the good advice she gives EJ in that email.......and then she says this;

"Your one of millions of mothers that leaves the state to keep her child safe from the horrible father. It's NOT kidnapping!" 

WTH? 

I am concerned about the CL ad of the couple in their 30's and EJ told Tammi that Gabriel is with a couple in their 30's.   
That is disturbing - could it be?  And is this even legal?  Does LE know about this listing?

I have no idea if LE knows.  The toll free numbers don't work for me to call as I am not in the US.   I am hoping someone has let them know as the ad was posted Dec 26 and EJ took the bus Dec 27. 
I will forward the listing to them by email.  I am either real tired or confused, in the one email EJ says her and Gabriel are fine and in Tammi's response she says thanks for letting me know you are ok and then goes on to praise her for giving him up to a good family??????

Dec 29 6:43 PM From Elizabeth to tammifay (myspace)
tammi, i will never come forward, yes what i said was wrong but i wanted him to hurt like he hurt me so thats why i said all that. me and gabriel are fine, in fact great i just got a full time job under a fake name and the owner is very understanding of my situation, and is willing to hel...p me get new id's and stuff. I can not let you or anyone else no where i am, just know i am getting lots of help, i am very smart and resourceful, and that i am one of the most compedant people you will ever meet. I have always taken care of myself bymyself as long as i can remember. i can't call in fear of phone records. I am ever worried this email can be traced to where i am, so i probably won't email again, but i had to let you know we are all right because i know you must be worried sick, and i am soo sorry for that i really am. YOU and jack are such good people.

Dec 30 7:49AM
From Tammi  To Elizabeth
12/30/2009 7:49 AM To: elizabeth

Thank you so much for letting me know that your both are OK! I miss that little angel! I knew that you could never hurt him. A mother has to really love her child enough to give him up to a good family in order to give him a more meaningfully life.
Be safe,
Tammi


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« Reply #1619 on: January 23, 2010, 12:28:15 AM »

Thanks for the info Northern Rose.  Tammi so full of snit.....I love the good advice she gives EJ in that email.......and then she says this;

"Your one of millions of mothers that leaves the state to keep her child safe from the horrible father. It's NOT kidnapping!" 

WTH? 

I am concerned about the CL ad of the couple in their 30's and EJ told Tammi that Gabriel is with a couple in their 30's.   
That is disturbing - could it be?  And is this even legal?  Does LE know about this listing?

I have no idea if LE knows.  The toll free numbers don't work for me to call as I am not in the US.   I am hoping someone has let them know as the ad was posted Dec 26 and EJ took the bus Dec 27. 
I will forward the listing to them by email.  I am either real tired or confused, in the one email EJ says her and Gabriel are fine and in Tammi's response she says thanks for letting me know you are ok and then goes on to praise her for giving him up to a good family??????

Dec 29 6:43 PM From Elizabeth to tammifay (myspace)
tammi, i will never come forward, yes what i said was wrong but i wanted him to hurt like he hurt me so thats why i said all that. me and gabriel are fine, in fact great i just got a full time job under a fake name and the owner is very understanding of my situation, and is willing to hel...p me get new id's and stuff. I can not let you or anyone else no where i am, just know i am getting lots of help, i am very smart and resourceful, and that i am one of the most compedant people you will ever meet. I have always taken care of myself bymyself as long as i can remember. i can't call in fear of phone records. I am ever worried this email can be traced to where i am, so i probably won't email again, but i had to let you know we are all right because i know you must be worried sick, and i am soo sorry for that i really am. YOU and jack are such good people.

Dec 30 7:49AM
From Tammi  To Elizabeth
12/30/2009 7:49 AM To: elizabeth

Thank you so much for letting me know that your both are OK! I miss that little angel! I knew that you could never hurt him. A mother has to really love her child enough to give him up to a good family in order to give him a more meaningfully life.
Be safe,
Tammi


What am I missing here?

I never caught that    she must have been channelling Sylvia Brown   
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