Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #66

[Wyks]

There stuff missing from this, such as the time of birth! 

[lula]

Hi, I never did see the sonagrams.  Are we sure they were not Caseys and Lees????

EEEWWWW....that is indeed sick, but it would be just like Cindy, wouldn't it?

I think sonogram images are just amazing.  The life within you is revealed as a reality to can grasp.

It was a sonogram that put joy in my heart when I found out I was expecting my youngest son when his siblings were 14 and 17 years of age respectively.

Youngest son's framed sonogram was afforded a special place on the wardrobe in our bedroom for the longest time.

Janet
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Dolce
Re: Monkey Musings Daily Open Discussion #12 10/04 -
« Reply #397 on: October 20, 2008, 10:58:54 PM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3605.msg509675#msg509675

me thinks you misunderstood where I was coming from


What if Caylee was a product of Lee and Casey? That's why I said what I said.

[Deenie]

Did I miss anything ? Any thing that has shattered the Realm of Realty of the 70th time .. ? within the Ants or Casey ?

I am up to date as less than 2 days ago - that could be good or bad

The Weaves webs and misconstrued ... alive 24/8 so I may be far behind

yes I said 8

[Tamikosmom]

Hi, I never did see the sonagrams.  Are we sure they were not Caseys and Lees????

EEEWWWW....that is indeed sick, but it would be just like Cindy, wouldn't it?

I think sonogram images are just amazing.  The life within you is revealed as a reality to can grasp.

It was a sonogram that put joy in my heart when I found out I was expecting my youngest son when his siblings were 14 and 17 years of age respectively.

Youngest son's framed sonogram was afforded a special place on the wardrobe in our bedroom for the longest time.

Janet
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Dolce
Re: Monkey Musings Daily Open Discussion #12 10/04 -
« Reply #397 on: October 20, 2008, 10:58:54 PM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3605.msg509675#msg509675

me thinks you misunderstood where I was coming from


What if Caylee was a product of Lee and Casey? That's why I said what I said.

OH!!!

I apologize.

Janet

[Hudsunn]

Cindy, who loves details, does not seem to want to give any details about a number of things : the father of Caylee, the apparent miscarriage of another child out of wedlock, and the rumors of sexual abuse in the home.  I know this is very difficult for Cindy, but her only road to peace and good health, IMO, is complete honesty about the situation.  I hope that she will face the truth soon, for her sake and for Caylee's and even for Casey's. 

[trimmonthelake]

I know I have been MIA in the Cage ... and not yet to catch up ...
But I did watch NG's Special last night and I have to say it was done quite well.

Was the first time I was ever to hear Cindy and the entire 911 call about Caylee being missing and as I sat ...

and tried to remain collected I found myself bawling listening to her voice within the initial 911 call  - after the car stolen 911 call.

I have been on SM since the heat started within Caylee and that really ripped me up in so many ways to hear Cindy's voice ...

It was not only to hear her RAW and not knowing anything  - But too all that has been said via her own mouth to this day ...about Caylee

I felt as though after the NG special that I wanted to throw up. It was so JUST and no bling nor he said she said .. Bombshells ...

Every time I heard Casey's voice ...even though I have heard it on clips and so etc many times ..Just to hear her voice and dialect of her voice it enraged me to tears all over again.

Nothing planted in my head via media - its all right there - Casey is what she is and nothing can keep her from her own self.

 

Deenie,I thought the show was done well also.Those 911 calls were quite upsetting .But Casey didn't comes across as caring at all.For what ever has happened since then,Cindy was hysterical .It made my stomach hurt listening. 

[Hudsunn]

I looked at the birth certificates for myself, my husband and our two sons, and on each the place of birth, including the the name of the hospital, address of the parents, the attending physician, and my husband's profession are included.  Is that birth certificate of Caylee a forgery?  Usually they give more information. 

[trimmonthelake]

Cindy, who loves details, does not seem to want to give any details about a number of things : the father of Caylee, the apparent miscarriage of another child out of wedlock, and the rumors of sexual abuse in the home.  I know this is very difficult for Cindy, but her only road to peace and good health, IMO, is complete honesty about the situation.  I hope that she will face the truth soon, for her sake and for Caylee's and even for Casey's. 

I agree Hudson. It would destroy me to be wrapped in all the deception. 

[lula]

 


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OH!!!

I apologize.

Janet
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No problem, I should have explained. I just thought Monkeys were so good they could read my mind. LOL

[Deenie]

I know I have been MIA in the Cage ... and not yet to catch up ...
But I did watch NG's Special last night and I have to say it was done quite well.

Was the first time I was ever to hear Cindy and the entire 911 call about Caylee being missing and as I sat ...

and tried to remain collected I found myself bawling listening to her voice within the initial 911 call  - after the car stolen 911 call.

I have been on SM since the heat started within Caylee and that really ripped me up in so many ways to hear Cindy's voice ...

It was not only to hear her RAW and not knowing anything  - But too all that has been said via her own mouth to this day ...about Caylee

I felt as though after the NG special that I wanted to throw up. It was so JUST and no bling nor he said she said .. Bombshells ...

Every time I heard Casey's voice ...even though I have heard it on clips and so etc many times ..Just to hear her voice and dialect of her voice it enraged me to tears all over again.

Nothing planted in my head via media - its all right there - Casey is what she is and nothing can keep her from her own self.

 

Deenie,I thought the show was done well also.Those 911 calls were quite upsetting .But Casey didn't comes across as caring at all.For what ever has happened since then,Cindy was hysterical .It made my stomach hurt listening. 

Thank you Tink "Trim" that NG special really hit home with me. Made me Humble if that is possible within Caylee's disappearance.
 

[Tamikosmom]

Anthony Family Plans Nationwide Prayer Vigil
Family Insists Missing Caylee Is Still Alive
POSTED: 5:15 pm EST November 28, 2008
UPDATED: 6:33 pm EST November 28, 2008

Despite the Orange County Sheriff’s Office’s belief that Caylee Anthony is dead, the Anthony family is planning another vigil for Caylee, as well as other missing children.

Caylee was reported missing on July 16, just weeks before her third birthday. Her mother, Casey Anthony, 22, has been charged with her murder.

Investigators released hundreds of pages of evidence this week which pertain to their case against Casey Anthony. The pages included phone records, photos, DNA results, computer search information and more.

According to their media contact, Casey Anthony’s parents, George and Cindy Anthony, wanted to spend Thanksgiving with family and friends -- away from TV cameras.

They plan to return to the spotlight Sunday night by holding a local and national vigil for Caylee and thousands of other missing children.

The vigil will be hosted at the usual spot, the Eastside Baptist Church off of Conway Gardens Road. There will be simultaneous vigils in Oregon, California and Michigan at 8 p.m. Eastern Time.

"After 24 weeks, to declare this case closed, it is not only inhumane, it’s disrespectful," family spokesperson Michelle Bart said.

Cindy Anthony has been accused of trying to create reasonable doubt by insisting that Caylee is still alive. She has repeatedly denied the accusation.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18165791/detail.html

[Tamikosmom]

Anthony Family Plans Nationwide Prayer Vigil
Family Insists Missing Caylee Is Still Alive
POSTED: 5:15 pm EST November 28, 2008
UPDATED: 6:33 pm EST November 28, 2008

Despite the Orange County Sheriff’s Office’s belief that Caylee Anthony is dead, the Anthony family is planning another vigil for Caylee, as well as other missing children.

Caylee was reported missing on July 16, just weeks before her third birthday. Her mother, Casey Anthony, 22, has been charged with her murder.

Investigators released hundreds of pages of evidence this week which pertain to their case against Casey Anthony. The pages included phone records, photos, DNA results, computer search information and more.

According to their media contact, Casey Anthony’s parents, George and Cindy Anthony, wanted to spend Thanksgiving with family and friends -- away from TV cameras.

They plan to return to the spotlight Sunday night by holding a local and national vigil for Caylee and thousands of other missing children.

The vigil will be hosted at the usual spot, the Eastside Baptist Church off of Conway Gardens Road. There will be simultaneous vigils in Oregon, California and Michigan at 8 p.m. Eastern Time.

"After 24 weeks, to declare this case closed, it is not only inhumane, it’s disrespectful," family spokesperson Michelle Bart said.

Cindy Anthony has been accused of trying to create reasonable doubt by insisting that Caylee is still alive. She has repeatedly denied the accusation.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18165791/detail.html

Something does not compute when the above article and the following article are considered.

 

Janet

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OCSO Abandons Hope To Find Caylee Alive
Spokesman Says FBI Evidence Proves Toddler Is Dead
POSTED: 3:59 pm EST November 19, 2008
UPDATED: 6:14 pm EST November 19, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- The Orange County Sheriff's Office exclusively told WESH 2 News that they are no longer following up on any tips that suggest Caylee Anthony is alive.

On Friday, the group Kid Finders plans to hold a press conference to explain why they think Caylee is alive. A sheriff's spokesman said Caylee is dead and they're moving on.

Sheriff's Office spokesman Carlos Padilla said they are confident that FBI lab tests on evidence found in Casey Anthony's car prove Caylee is dead. He said that is backed up by the grand jury's murder indictment of Casey Anthony.

"We cannot continue to look when we have no evidence whatsover that she's alive," he said.

Grandfather George Anthony said his group, Kid Finders, is still getting reports of live sightings of Caylee. They have no reason to believe Caylee is dead.

Investigators said they are also concerned that if they continue to follow up on live sightings, it could help Casey Anthony's defense establish reasonable doubt about whether Caylee is deceased.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18018095/detail.html

[Hudsunn]

Yes, on all four of our birth certificates, it also gives the number of pregnancies of the mother. 

Concerning the events of the 24th, I no longer consider George's statement of when he last saw Caylee to be reliable.  I noticed right away that it was very specific about the clothes that both she and Casey were wearing and wondered why he would have noticed that, right down to the child's hair being in a ponytail.  He may be making things up just like the others in the family.

[akmom]

    I will never forget Greta's interview with CA and GA.  I thought for sure that what George was going to say was that Caylee was in the trunk.  It seemed to me he was on the verge of saying it and Cindy griped his leg.

     I am trying to catch up, but I was wondering if anyone has the link to the sonogram pictures, sorry if someone has already asked

[mammy]

I stated quite some time ago that I read on a blog that Casey had a son that was given up for adoption priot to Caylee.  I could never verify the information.  It sounds like that is coming closer to being true.   

Hello  Mammy.   hope you and your family had a nice Thanksgiving.......Yes, I am also curious to see if there could be some truth to this fact....I wouldnt doubt it at all, This has been the wierdest family I think I can ever recall reading about.....They need alot more help than what Dr. phil could ever offer imo.......

We had a very nice Thanksgiving.  How was yours?

Just when you think you've maybe figured the A's out, something else pops up!  They make me shake my head a lot.

I had a very nice one also!   I do believe that it is very possible that Caylee was not Casey's only child, which would be a reason for her to be scared to tell Cindy about being pregnant AGAIN.....if thats the case.....almost like she didnt learn anything from her first time.........I think  these people brought alot of this on theirselves!!!!!

If you could view Caylee's birth certificate, you might find the answer there. Not sure if it's done in all states, but here, there is a little box somewhere in the middle that reads something like "previous births of this mother" where the dr. can put the number of other times the mother has given birth before this one, if I am not mistaken. Could be just on the hospital-issued b/c, but I think it is on my official b/c as well as on my boys'.
Would be nice to see Casey's medical records too, because any doctor would be able to determine if she had ever been pregnant or given birth before and that is almost always included in exam records.

There was a birth certificate released (maybe Janet has it), but it was basic with only the dob, etc.

Mammy ... I do not know how to do screen images.  Caylee's birth certificate was posted on the forum by another Monkey.  Maybe Klaas??  I know I saw it and ... I know there were some good questions from the forum regarding the information or lack of information that it revealed.

Janet

 

Thank you Janet.

[BooMonkey]

Yes, on all four of our birth certificates, it also gives the number of pregnancies of the mother. 

Concerning the events of the 24th, I no longer consider George's statement of when he last saw Caylee to be reliable.  I noticed right away that it was very specific about the clothes that both she and Casey were wearing and wondered why he would have noticed that, right down to the child's hair being in a ponytail.  He may be making things up just like the others in the family.

If George got caught lying about the car chase, I'm sure he is lying about his last sighting of Caylee too. Nothing can be believed 100% with the Anthony family. I have a great respect for LE to put this stuff together for the trial. I would think they have a huge room with the info spread across the walls trying to decipher this crap. 

[no rose colored glasses]

I looked at the birth certificates for myself, my husband and our two sons, and on each the place of birth, including the the name of the hospital, address of the parents, the attending physician, and my husband's profession are included.  Is that birth certificate of Caylee a forgery?  Usually they give more information. 

That's what I was wondering, I haven't looked at my two daughters birth certificates in awhile, but there certainly was much more info then this one.

[flossy]

At what point can Caylee be declared dead?  Isn't the decomp evidence enough?  Does a certain amount of time have to have passed before it can be done?  I'm not sure what the hold-up is.   

I have no idea what the criteria is for a declaration of death, obviously.  I just can't, for the life of me, figure out why there is still room for anyone to inject their little question mark (aka "spin") into the equation.   The fact that she is listed as "deceased" on docs but has not been declared dead (as far as we know) just makes no sense to me.   

I'm sure someone here has much more knowledge on this subject than I do, and I'd love to be educated on it!

[KarmaRoundUp]

I do not believe there was an odor being emitted from the inside of the trunk of Casey Anthony's vehicle until after the "gas can" encounter between George and Casey on August 24th.

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The blanks regarding who, when, why and where need to be filled in but ... sticking with Ockham's Razor ...

You must never fail to adopt the simplest idea as your working hypothesis. If necessity demands, you can dump it later when you have more data, but only because it is no longer the simplest idea" or "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity.

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June 16:  After she meets her demise ... Caylee is put in a plastic bag/container placed inside the trunk of Casey's vehicle.

June 18th:  Prior to the producing of any body decomposition fluids or odor ... Caylee is taken from inside the trunk and ... buried in the backyard using a borrowed shovel.

June 24th:  Casey confides in her father and ... Caylee is retrieved from the backyard and ... placed inside the trunk where body decomposition fluid leaks and permenates the carpet.

June 24th - 27th:  Prior to Casey's vehicle being abondoned at Amscot .. Caylee's remains are transported to another location.

June 25th:  Casey relates to Amy that there is an odor inside her vehicle.

Janet

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Crime Expert Analyzes Casey Anthony Case, Evidence
POSTED: 4:04 pm EDT July 23, 2008
UPDATED: 4:17 pm EDT July 23, 2008

The Anthony's Backyard: Involved a tip that Casey Anthony borrowed a shovel from a neighbor. Two cadaver dogs pointed to the smell of decomposition near Caylee's playhouse.

Casey Anthony's Car: Detectives reported a different dog alerted to the same strong smell in the trunk after the white Pontiac had been abandoned in a parking lot

http://www.wftv.com/news/16968013/detail.html


George Anthony Set To Testify Against Casey In Front Of Grand Jury
POSTED: 6:11 am EDT October 10, 2008
UPDATED: 1:58 pm EDT October 13, 2008

Sources told Eyewitness News the Orange County grand jury will hear about high levels of chloroform in the trunk of Casey Anthony's car. The panel will hear how lab tests on the hair and the stain in the trunk will show that Caylee's body was in that trunk and that investigators also believe the little girl's body was at some point in the Anthony's backyard near her playhouse.

The focus on when Caylee was murdered is on the afternoon of June 16, sometime between mid-day, when Caylee's grandfather last saw her alive with Casey, and the evening, when Casey went to her boyfriend's apartment without Caylee.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17684992/detail.html


Cell Phone Pings Help Track Casey Anthony's Movements Over 3 Days
Caylee Anthony Last Seen In June
POSTED: 1:06 pm EST November 3, 2008
UPDATED: 3:57 pm EST November 3, 2008

On Wednesday, June 18, the day Casey's parents' neighbor said Anthony borrowed a shovel and backed her car into the garage, cell phone pings show that Anthony was at or near her parents' home from 2:30 p.m. until 3:30 p.m., Pipitone said.

http://www.local6.com/news/17874799/detail.html

But what about all of the trunk evidence indicating early decomp?Early decomp within 2.6 days? 

maybe, just maybe, little Caylee's body laid in the trunk from the 15th or 16th of June until the day Casey borrowed the shovel and backed the car into the garage? Then having backed in she moved the body from the trunk with a shovel and placed it in a container of some type and put it back into the trunk with the intention of disposing of it later?

That sounds very possible.

[Deenie]

I looked at the birth certificates for myself, my husband and our two sons, and on each the place of birth, including the the name of the hospital, address of the parents, the attending physician, and my husband's profession are included.  Is that birth certificate of Caylee a forgery?  Usually they give more information. 

Huddsun first I adore YOU and your posts. I am going to profess what I went through as a Single pregnant woman when I was 24 yrs of age. I am now 42. But what happened when My daughter was Born almost 18 yrs ago the Hospital wanted me to provide the info of her father. I opted not to put His name on the Birth Cert due to he and I were estranged since I had became pregnant. Mind you I have known him as a person within friendship since I was 12.

I was a person who felt necessary to abide by the rules and had made inquiries to Family court within my county of how and what and etc ... to do for the protection of my unborn to be my  daughter when it came down to custody.
They told me within court when I was pregnant that I would be able to acquire and be the full custodial parent " IF" I did not put His name on the baby's birth cert.
Yet he would be still 100 percent responsible for child support.
My Daughter was born and and moving my post along - He counter sued me for Paternity and He lost. Meaning He was The DADDY no Question.
My opt out is though I have never put his name on my DD birth cert - it says Unknown and that to me is a disgrace on paper and every way forward. She knows who her Dad is and He knows her  - even though he is still to this day at almost 50 a total loser.
If I were to put his name on her Birth Cert that means he has power and he has to be Witnessed within the courts  - you can and cannot - say leave the state ..Move .. whatever ..
He owes me 50k in child support and that still stands in the State of MI past my DD 18th bday ... statute.

Casey who is MONEY HUNGRY and ALL ABOUT who can Serve HER - For all that I have been thru as a Single Mom thru the years you wondered if you had gas money to get to the job ..to keep the roof over your childs head
IF she knew or does know who Caylee's DAD is - she would have scooped him up - to the point he had no strings to tie his own shoes........ 
Thats where I have no wanting to believe but just have to - go within the ANT circle of Daddy - Lee or GA - and I dont want too. If Casey had a memory of 15 mins Drugged Drunk at a party that she was at and got laid - I can say that girl would remember the Boys name .. or find out ... she is that savvy
OMG I had to go see My Mother and I knew I was 4 mos preg, she didnt know - I was a bean pole with a bubble and I had to say it .. My MOM flipped her LID and came down to reality and Then flipped again  - WAS not one of my best life time moments. Casey to be at first recognized at Rick's wedding at 7 mos and Cindy believing she never had have sex .... I have a Brick wall to sell anyone too made within a Household.
I have a huge misunderstood relationship with My own Monster and the Ant case.