Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 - 1/3/09

[Keepthefaith]

LDSTLOU,
Again, I think you have failed to follow EVERY detail and words of Kyle himself. Kyle has stated that John S. had NO interest in the trap -- in fact he told Kyle "to never bring up the trap" again! Kyle told Freebirds that John S. has NEW business dealings in Aruba. Beth's brother (private eye) was flabbergasted to find out about the Jan. 7th pics in MARCH! That is NOT IMMEDIATELY. Kyle had no responsibilty to turn over ALL pics????? Well, he sure had responsibility to SELL the pics in February!

John did not believe Natalee was in that trap. They had other targets they had located and he wanted to focus on the other targets that were possibilites. Remember, they identified quite a few other possible targets that they were eager to look into. It wasn't because he was hiding anything in the trap, he felt they had eliminated the possibility that it was Natalee and wanet to get to other possibilities.

How did he(Silvetti) come to that conclusion?

How did he eliminate Natalee as a possibilty when Kyle thought differently???

How did Silvetti come to the conclusion it wasn't Natalee?

Care to answer lisa???

[truthseeker2]

I am going to venture into this little thing here.  (gosh, I hope I don't regret it)

What I understand ldstlou to be saying here is that there was a protocol on the ship where things were turned over to the FBI as they were developed and Kyle was not the one on the ship that was assigned to do that.

Am I right, ldstlou?

that is my understanding

So what you are saying is that the FBI was there on the ship the entire time including January 7th and they saw the pictures.

So if they saw these pictures what is the big deal.

Is it because Kyle released information he should not have.

I am not sure what you are asking me? What is the big deal to me?

Surely you aren't trying to tell us the FBI was physically aboard the Persistence on Dec. 29th to Jan 7th?!?

Well, they wouldn't have to be onboard to receive the data.  It's quite easy to encrypt and transmit data.

This sure seems to be going in a circle and I'll be darned as to the reason why....
But, as stated, FBI didn't have to be onboard to receive the ROV videos, so why wasn't the ROV videos encrypted and transmitted the day they were made? I'm sure the FBI would not set up a protocol that only insisted screen captures were sent daily without covering or excluding videos....That wouldn't make any sense....
Kyle pretty much painted the picture that he knew the ROV video was not sent to FBI or family. He stated he was trying to strike a deal for financial gains....When Freebirds discovered that Kyle had not sent the ROV video in September 2008 they cut ties with him on advice of legal consul....Kermit exposed it along with help from Freebirds....
Pretty clear to me.....

From what I understood in the earlier posts, it was not Kyle's function to do that.  He had things he provided as assigned and the ROV images were assigned to someone else to provide.  My question earlier was, if it wasn't assigned to him to do, how would Kyle know if it was done or not?

[ldstlou]

I think we need Kermit, Jen, or wingnut to come back and re-state the timelines as they know it.

I think we need Tim Miller to explain it to us.

[ldstlou]

LDSTLOU,
Again, I think you have failed to follow EVERY detail and words of Kyle himself. Kyle has stated that John S. had NO interest in the trap -- in fact he told Kyle "to never bring up the trap" again! Kyle told Freebirds that John S. has NEW business dealings in Aruba. Beth's brother (private eye) was flabbergasted to find out about the Jan. 7th pics in MARCH! That is NOT IMMEDIATELY. Kyle had no responsibilty to turn over ALL pics????? Well, he sure had responsibility to SELL the pics in February!

John did not believe Natalee was in that trap. They had other targets they had located and he wanted to focus on the other targets that were possibilites. Remember, they identified quite a few other possible targets that they were eager to look into. It wasn't because he was hiding anything in the trap, he felt they had eliminated the possibility that it was Natalee and wanet to get to other possibilities.

How did he(Silvetti) come to that conclusion?

How did he eliminate Natalee as a possibilty when Kyle thought differently???

How did Silvetti come to the conclusion it wasn't Natalee?

Care to answer lisa???

I have been bashed and had hostile questions thrown at me for over a month now...and you wonder why I am so sarcastic at this point..so no..I won't answer questions that are thrown at me with sarcasm.

[billb's daughter]

I think we need Kermit, Jen, or wingnut to come back and re-state the timelines as they know it.

I think we need Tim Miller to explain it to us.

Tim Miller was not on the persistence when the ROV video was taken on jan 7...John S. put him off the ship on Dec 30th....

[Keepthefaith]

LDSTLOU,
Again, I think you have failed to follow EVERY detail and words of Kyle himself. Kyle has stated that John S. had NO interest in the trap -- in fact he told Kyle "to never bring up the trap" again! Kyle told Freebirds that John S. has NEW business dealings in Aruba. Beth's brother (private eye) was flabbergasted to find out about the Jan. 7th pics in MARCH! That is NOT IMMEDIATELY. Kyle had no responsibilty to turn over ALL pics????? Well, he sure had responsibility to SELL the pics in February!

John did not believe Natalee was in that trap. They had other targets they had located and he wanted to focus on the other targets that were possibilites. Remember, they identified quite a few other possible targets that they were eager to look into. It wasn't because he was hiding anything in the trap, he felt they had eliminated the possibility that it was Natalee and wanet to get to other possibilities.

How did he(Silvetti) come to that conclusion?

How did he eliminate Natalee as a possibilty when Kyle thought differently???

How did Silvetti come to the conclusion it wasn't Natalee?

Care to answer lisa???

I have been bashed and had hostile questions thrown at me for over a month now...and you wonder why I am so sarcastic at this point..so no..I won't answer questions that are thrown at me with sarcasm.

I wouldn't answer that as well!You said it not me!How would Silvetti come to such a conclusion??

[klaasend]

John Silvetti and Louis Schaeffer were being ripped apart by RU long before anything was posted here at SM about either one. 

[Anna]

Quantico is a Marine Corp Base that houses among other things the FBI academy.

So were these agents onboard from the regular FBI which is in Washington, DC, or from Bardados?  There are some lab facilities at Quantico but the forensic samples in the plastic bags were only in the ALE dive boat was my understanding from Kyle's posts.

[ldstlou]

I think we need Kermit, Jen, or wingnut to come back and re-state the timelines as they know it.

I think we need Tim Miller to explain it to us.

Tim Miller was not on the persistence when the ROV video was taken on jan 7...John S. put him off the ship on Dec 30th....

No but I am sure Tim could answer if the FBI were involved. I am sure he could answer what the protocol was in turning over footage. I am sure he could answer if he was removed from the Persistence. I am sure he could answer if he felt John Silvetti was involved in a cover-up with the FBI. I think those answers would go a long way right now.

[Blue Moon]

If Kyle had his doubts about what the ALE were doing (pulling off a cover up) and the FBI was getting daily updates then why didn't Kyle go to the FBI instead of Freebirds with his concerns?

[Keepthefaith]

LDSTLOU,
Again, I think you have failed to follow EVERY detail and words of Kyle himself. Kyle has stated that John S. had NO interest in the trap -- in fact he told Kyle "to never bring up the trap" again! Kyle told Freebirds that John S. has NEW business dealings in Aruba. Beth's brother (private eye) was flabbergasted to find out about the Jan. 7th pics in MARCH! That is NOT IMMEDIATELY. Kyle had no responsibilty to turn over ALL pics????? Well, he sure had responsibility to SELL the pics in February!

John did not believe Natalee was in that trap. They had other targets they had located and he wanted to focus on the other targets that were possibilites. Remember, they identified quite a few other possible targets that they were eager to look into. It wasn't because he was hiding anything in the trap, he felt they had eliminated the possibility that it was Natalee and wanet to get to other possibilities.

How did he(Silvetti) come to that conclusion?

How did he eliminate Natalee as a possibilty when Kyle thought differently???

How did Silvetti come to the conclusion it wasn't Natalee?

Care to answer lisa???

I have been bashed and had hostile questions thrown at me for over a month now...and you wonder why I am so sarcastic at this point..so no..I won't answer questions that are thrown at me with sarcasm.

I wouldn't answer that as well!You said it not me!How would Silvetti come to such a conclusion??

The person with the most expertise in coming to that conclusion was Tim Miller and what happened to him?He was asked to leave the ship per Kyle's word's.How can you come to such a conclusion without any experience to do so?I'm done...

[iris44]

LDSTLOU,
Again, I think you have failed to follow EVERY detail and words of Kyle himself. Kyle has stated that John S. had NO interest in the trap -- in fact he told Kyle "to never bring up the trap" again! Kyle told Freebirds that John S. has NEW business dealings in Aruba. Beth's brother (private eye) was flabbergasted to find out about the Jan. 7th pics in MARCH! That is NOT IMMEDIATELY. Kyle had no responsibilty to turn over ALL pics????? Well, he sure had responsibility to SELL the pics in February!

John did not believe Natalee was in that trap. They had other targets they had located and he wanted to focus on the other targets that were possibilites. Remember, they identified quite a few other possible targets that they were eager to look into. It wasn't because he was hiding anything in the trap, he felt they had eliminated the possibility that it was Natalee and wanet to get to other possibilities.

Eager to look into, so eager they begged for donations one day while they were packing to leave at the same time. 

I always thought they left abruptly because of the Chavez issues. 

[wreck]

If Kyle had his doubts about what the ALE were doing (pulling off a cover up) and the FBI was getting daily updates then why didn't Kyle go to the FBI instead of Freebirds with his concerns?

Bingo!

[klaasend]

If Kyle had his doubts about what the ALE were doing (pulling off a cover up) and the FBI was getting daily updates then why didn't Kyle go to the FBI instead of Freebirds with his concerns?

And that is my question

[Keepthefaith]

If Kyle had his doubts about what the ALE were doing (pulling off a cover up) and the FBI was getting daily updates then why didn't Kyle go to the FBI instead of Freebirds with his concerns?

Money,money,money..That's what i believe!JMOO

[Anna]

I think we need Kermit, Jen, or wingnut to come back and re-state the timelines as they know it.

I think we need Tim Miller to explain it to us.

Tim Miller was not on the persistence when the ROV video was taken on jan 7...John S. put him off the ship on Dec 30th....

No but I am sure Tim could answer if the FBI were involved. I am sure he could answer what the protocol was in turning over footage. I am sure he could answer if he was removed from the Persistence. I am sure he could answer if he felt John Silvetti was involved in a cover-up with the FBI. I think those answers would go a long way right now.

Tim Miller would have absolutely no way of knowing if "protocol" was followed or not.  And most especially in his complete absence from the Persistence.

Kyle was the one who raised the questions so I don't understand now why he is so upset.

[klaasend]

LDSTLOU,
Again, I think you have failed to follow EVERY detail and words of Kyle himself. Kyle has stated that John S. had NO interest in the trap -- in fact he told Kyle "to never bring up the trap" again! Kyle told Freebirds that John S. has NEW business dealings in Aruba. Beth's brother (private eye) was flabbergasted to find out about the Jan. 7th pics in MARCH! That is NOT IMMEDIATELY. Kyle had no responsibilty to turn over ALL pics????? Well, he sure had responsibility to SELL the pics in February!

John did not believe Natalee was in that trap. They had other targets they had located and he wanted to focus on the other targets that were possibilites. Remember, they identified quite a few other possible targets that they were eager to look into. It wasn't because he was hiding anything in the trap, he felt they had eliminated the possibility that it was Natalee and wanet to get to other possibilities.

Eager to look into, so eager they begged for donations one day while they were packing to leave at the same time. 

I always thought they left abruptly because of the Chavez issues. 

Did everyone evacuate Aruba due to the Chavez issues?  Did tourists stop going?  Did tourists stop going on Snorkle trips, fishing trips, windsurfing, etc?.  Why would the Persistence leave because of some chest pounding by Chavez?

[wreck]

LDSTLOU,
Again, I think you have failed to follow EVERY detail and words of Kyle himself. Kyle has stated that John S. had NO interest in the trap -- in fact he told Kyle "to never bring up the trap" again! Kyle told Freebirds that John S. has NEW business dealings in Aruba. Beth's brother (private eye) was flabbergasted to find out about the Jan. 7th pics in MARCH! That is NOT IMMEDIATELY. Kyle had no responsibilty to turn over ALL pics????? Well, he sure had responsibility to SELL the pics in February!

John did not believe Natalee was in that trap. They had other targets they had located and he wanted to focus on the other targets that were possibilites. Remember, they identified quite a few other possible targets that they were eager to look into. It wasn't because he was hiding anything in the trap, he felt they had eliminated the possibility that it was Natalee and wanet to get to other possibilities.

Eager to look into, so eager they begged for donations one day while they were packing to leave at the same time. 

I always thought they left abruptly because of the Chavez issues. 

The very last thing the Persistence crew did was survey the pond at John S. instruction.

[Blue Moon]

If Kyle had his doubts about what the ALE were doing (pulling off a cover up) and the FBI was getting daily updates then why didn't Kyle go to the FBI instead of Freebirds with his concerns?

And that is my question

Guess we will not get that answer. Seems they are gone again.

[ldstlou]

I've said my peace. I have explained over and over why I am "defending Kyle"and the embers of the Persistence. I have had all my questions answered by Jug and Kyle and taken a hell of a lot of heat for sharing my opinions. Again, I think Tim Miller could answer a lot of these questions and his word would be trusted.