Lively Case Discussion #523a 9/12 - 9/15/2006 (use this one)

[klaasend]

Spock wrote:

Shizaru, there are many theories to consider, you have yours and I have mine. None is better than the other, and both are speculative. We will just have to wait and see. This does make for good discussion.

Absolutely true!

Hi Klaas ...........

If The Kalpoes Were The Culprits How Long Do You Think It Would Take For The Sloots To Drop A Dime On Them ..............

Everything After The Fact Has Been Orchestrated To Protect The Dutch ..

Phone Records Would Prove Beyond A Reasonable Doubt That A Cover-Up

Started From Day 1 ............

Fat Chance Of Getting To See Phone Records In This Century ....

 

Joran is the culpret, IMO...maybe Paulus..maybe others as well.  I agree, if it were only K2 this would be over.

[WidgetTheMidget]

I Imagine That Paulus's Monday Morning Call To K.J. Went Like This ....

Hi Karin... Remember That Favor You Owed Me ......

Yeah .......

Well My Son Killed An American Tourist & We Have To Have A Diversion.

OK ...... What Do You Have In Mind .....

We Cant Pin It On His Friends Cause They Know He Killed Her ....

We Need Time To Get Rid Of All The Evidence & Her Body .......

Ok ...... I'll Be Right Over ............

Thats The Day The Alibis Were Put Into Motion .......

And The Black Dudes Became The Diversion ...........

 

[San]

Hi Klaas ...........

If The Kalpoes Were The Culprits How Long Do You Think It Would Take For The Sloots To Drop A Dime On Them ..............

Everything After The Fact Has Been Orchestrated To Protect The Dutch ..

Phone Records Would Prove Beyond A Reasonable Doubt That A Cover-Up

Started From Day 1 ............

Fat Chance Of Getting To See Phone Records In This Century ....

 

I agree Widget.  Those phone records would blow the case apart.

[San]

I Imagine That Paulus's Monday Morning Call To K.J. Went Like This ....

Hi Karin... Remember That Favor You Owed Me ......

Yeah .......

Well My Son Killed An American Tourist & We Have To Have A Diversion.

OK ...... What Do You Have In Mind .....

We Cant Pin It On His Friends Cause They Know He Killed Her ....

We Need Time To Get Rid Of All The Evidence & Her Body .......

Ok ...... I'll Be Right Over ............

Thats The Day The Alibis Were Put Into Motion .......

And The Black Dudes Became The Diversion ...........

 

That's it in a nutshell.

[terryd270]

Just wanted to say hi!  I just got back from playing tennis and meeting a bunch of new people..  Anything on tv about Natalee?  Did we ever get news of who DT is or any of the other rumors out there?

[Sam]

I was looking through today's BONDIA and ran accross this.  The initials L.V.R. jumped out at me.  We need to have Jossy or someone translate and look into this, IMO:
   

L.V.R. = could be.....  Lorenzo Van Rijn !

What does the article say, Klass?

Yes Klaas in your spare time, why have you not learned Pap?

[Jacqueline]

Hey Guys!

No coverage tonight that I can find of Natalee.

Hey Widge....

What's the word baby?

Magic # is three.....

[Grande]

WOW I am convinced after reading the last couple pages that Jerry is the suspect in the sketch.  That comparison should be posted on the front page.  

I maintain that Arashi was the meeting place.  There were locals there the following night when Charles Croes went there at 2 in the morning.  I would be willing to bet there were other there as well on the previous night/ morning...

[robots]

Spock wrote:

Shizaru, there are many theories to consider, you have yours and I have mine. None is better than the other, and both are speculative. We will just have to wait and see. This does make for good discussion.

Absolutely true!

Hi Klaas ...........

If The Kalpoes Were The Culprits How Long Do You Think It Would Take For The Sloots To Drop A Dime On Them ..............

Everything After The Fact Has Been Orchestrated To Protect The Dutch ..

Phone Records Would Prove Beyond A Reasonable Doubt That A Cover-Up

Started From Day 1 ............

Fat Chance Of Getting To See Phone Records In This Century ....

 

Joran is the culpret, IMO...maybe Paulus..maybe others as well.  I agree, if it were only K2 this would be over.

YEP

[klaasend]

WOW I am convinced after reading the last couple pages that Jerry is the suspect in the sketch.  That comparison should be posted on the front page.  

I maintain that Arashi was the meeting place.  There were locals there the following night when Charles Croes went there at 2 in the morning.  I would be willing to bet there were other there as well on the previous night/ morning...

I agree that the sketch looks just like Jerry.  He may have even sat with the sketch artist while it was being drawn  

[San]

WOW I am convinced after reading the last couple pages that Jerry is the suspect in the sketch.  That comparison should be posted on the front page.  

I maintain that Arashi was the meeting place.  There were locals there the following night when Charles Croes went there at 2 in the morning.  I would be willing to bet there were other there as well on the previous night/ morning...

I agree that the sketch looks just like Jerry.  He may have even sat with the sketch artist while it was being drawn  

   

[Jacqueline]

WOW I am convinced after reading the last couple pages that Jerry is the suspect in the sketch.  That comparison should be posted on the front page.  

I maintain that Arashi was the meeting place.  There were locals there the following night when Charles Croes went there at 2 in the morning.  I would be willing to bet there were other there as well on the previous night/ morning...

I agree that the sketch looks just like Jerry.  He may have even sat with the sketch artist while it was being drawn  

   

San,why is that cute little chimp trying to shoot the pretty butterflies?

[klaasend]

WOW I am convinced after reading the last couple pages that Jerry is the suspect in the sketch.  That comparison should be posted on the front page.  

I maintain that Arashi was the meeting place.  There were locals there the following night when Charles Croes went there at 2 in the morning.  I would be willing to bet there were other there as well on the previous night/ morning...

I agree that the sketch looks just like Jerry.  He may have even sat with the sketch artist while it was being drawn  

   

I'm making a joke but I'm actually serious.  What if that sketch was BS and it actually was a sketch of Jerry.

[SunFreak2]

D: "He also told me that he had not been into work that day. He instead had been at "Carlos & Charlies" and because of that he was in two minds about going to the police because he feared loosing his job."

Seems clear to me Deepak is saying Croes told him he hadn't been at work because he was at CnCs.   There's nothing in that statement to indicate Deepak already knew Croes had been at CnCs, if he had.

S: "My brother has also told me that Steve was also in Carlos & Charlies that night. My brother also told me that Steve also had seen us coming out of Carlos & Charlies with the girl Natalee."

Here Satish was just repeating what he had been told by Deepak.  Who in turn may, and probably was, just repeating what he had been told by Croes.    

Naither Kalpoe says in either statement that they saw Croes in CnCs.

I agree, Shizaru.  J2K also have said there were only about 60 people at CnC's that night.  Both Deepak & Satish claimed they wandered around inside the bar.  One would think they would have recognized SC, especially Deepak, if SC had been in the Cyberzone prior to that evening. Let's not forget that SC worked as a DJ on the Tatoo and probably other places as well.  They would have recognized him if he was there when they were there.  Afterall, SC claimed he recognized them and saw them walk out with Natalee.

[San]

WOW I am convinced after reading the last couple pages that Jerry is the suspect in the sketch.  That comparison should be posted on the front page.  

I maintain that Arashi was the meeting place.  There were locals there the following night when Charles Croes went there at 2 in the morning.  I would be willing to bet there were other there as well on the previous night/ morning...

I agree that the sketch looks just like Jerry.  He may have even sat with the sketch artist while it was being drawn  

   

I'm making a joke but I'm actually serious.  What if that sketch was BS and it actually was a sketch of Jerry.

Nothing would surprise me klaas.

[thirdstrike]

Hello everyone!  Hope all are doing well...

[Spock]

Spock wrote:

Shizaru, there are many theories to consider, you have yours and I have mine. None is better than the other, and both are speculative. We will just have to wait and see. This does make for good discussion.

Absolutely true!

Shizaru wrote:

"I think either Joran killed her on the beach, or Joran raped her on the beach and then 2K went back and killed her after Joran left"

I agree Joran is deeply involved, so are the Kalpoes, and so it appears is Steve Croes and another "dog". In my opinion, Joran did far more than finger the girl who kept passing out and "could not be awakened after going into the water". Also, Croes gave that alibi for a reason and not "simply out of the blue".  He was fired from the Tatoo for leaving the boat that night, and told Deepak he was at C&C that night.  Satish, also confirmed the story. A return visit to the beach by Deepak and the "dogs" opens up the timeline by several hours and provides an oportunity with a boat to dispose of the evidence. I do believe there is considerable truth in Jorans declaration as he was crying (expressing involuntary remorse) and visibly distressed during the admission:

"I called DEEPAK and he came with two dogs. I think he raped the girl and did something to her.”  
“I think that it was buried then next to the wall of the Fisherman's Hut, for the rest I would not know either.”

I want to be careful here. This is all in my opinion and based on limited facts and speculation. Other theories could be equally consistent.

[Lala'sMom]

Evening monkeys. I see we have solved a crime for Aruba...too bad the ALE isn't as smart as the monkeys....did you hear that Aruba?  We know who the guy is in the sketch.   Yoo Hoo!!!  Aruba???  Are you listening?  Get your head out of that corn flakes box!

[Lala'sMom]

where did everyone go??? I took a bath and washed my feet.  I even brushed my teeth.  

[LilPuma]

There is no way Steve Croes works much.  Eighty percent of the photo albums I have searched on the Internet that had anything to do with Aruba contained his pictures and usually one of his friend, Jerry.  I was wondering if Jerry was the other dog, but then it might have been real dogs because there is some talk about that on some of the European sites.

Jerry Is A Carbon Copy Of The Police Sketch Of The Beach Stalker ...

 

Pretty Darn Close ..........

The Hair Line , The Glasses , The Neck , The Lips ........

 

Thats about as close as you can get!

"Who let the dogs out"

I saw the pic as I scrolled down, saw the sketch and exclaimed "Oh my goodness!"   Are we sending this to Jossy or Greta?