Haleigh Marie Cummings #10 3/29/09 - 4/04/09

[no rose colored glasses]

My ex husband had an affair. I saw him every day. I knew nothing. For quite a while.
My point :
People who have flings, affairs, office things, quickies, etc who are involved or marrried
usually keep it quiet.
So, some guy named player says no hanky panky .. yep I'll take his word.
Player = Ron or his Mumma . lol

For awhile I thought player was Ron, and then Snodgrass, but Mumma never entered my mind  that could be it.

[Sieko]

JG, do they have any homes on Tyler?

[Jerseygirl345]

JG, do they have any homes on Tyler?

i will check...

[Jerseygirl345]

here's tyler list-

911 Address Search Results 
39-11-26-8234-0050-0110    MCDONALD WILLIAM T + BARBARA J H/W 
100 Tyler St (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-8234-0060-0120    STANART MICHAEL E + ALETA L H/W 
103 Tyler St (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-8234-0050-0100    MATNEY JAMES T + BETTY JO H/W 
104 Tyler St (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-8234-0050-0090    SNYDER JOHN T + SELENA L GRIM JT/RS 
108 Tyler St (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-8234-0060-0110    WITCHER RUTH + JOAN CISCO 
109 Tyler St (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-8234-0050-0080    BAKER MARK + SUZANNE H/W 
110 Tyler St (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-8234-0060-0100    KICKERY DANIEL W SR + BONNIE M H/W 
111 Tyler St (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-8234-0050-0070    PIERCE CHARLES E + PATRICIA K H/W 
112 Tyler St (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-8234-0050-0060    B AND W ENTERPRISES LLC 
114 Tyler St (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-8234-0050-0050    CROSLIN LINDSY KATE + GUY W SAPP 
116 Tyler St (Satsuma) 

39-11-26-8234-0060-0080    WILLIAMS MICHAEL S 
117 Tyler St (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-8234-0060-0070    DANIELS CAROL S 
119 Tyler St (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-8234-0050-0030    HARDWICKE CHARLES L + VERNIE H/W 
120 Tyler St (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-8234-0060-0060    FOURNIER NORBERT G 
121 Tyler St (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-8234-0050-0020    GLASS CHESTER C + BARBARA M H/W 
122 Tyler St (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-8234-0050-0010    FRUMVELLER DAVID W + NORENE H/W 
124 Tyler St (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-8234-0060-0050    SPENCER DAVID FRANKLIN 
125 Tyler St (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-8234-0060-0040    YARBROUGH GEORGE + GERTRUDE 
127 Tyler St (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-8234-0060-0030    MURPHY BETTY A 
129 Tyler St (Satsuma) 

[Sieko]

JG, do they have any homes on Tyler?

i will check...

Thanks.  A while back Player said Ron moved " to the house directly in back of me appx 50/100' "

It sounds like their backyards would meet.

[Jerseygirl345]

Seven Sister list..

39-11-26-8234-0060-0080    WILLIAMS MICHAEL S 
117 Tyler St (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-8234-0060-0070    DANIELS CAROL S 
119 Tyler St (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-8234-0050-0030    HARDWICKE CHARLES L + VERNIE H/W 
120 Tyler St (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-8234-0060-0060    FOURNIER NORBERT G 
121 Tyler St (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-8234-0050-0020    GLASS CHESTER C + BARBARA M H/W 
122 Tyler St (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-8234-0050-0010    FRUMVELLER DAVID W + NORENE H/W 
124 Tyler St (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-8234-0060-0050    SPENCER DAVID FRANKLIN 
125 Tyler St (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-8234-0060-0040    YARBROUGH GEORGE + GERTRUDE 
127 Tyler St (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-8234-0060-0030    MURPHY BETTY A 
129 Tyler St (Satsuma) 
911 Address Search Results 
39-11-26-7653-0000-0100    MURPHY BETTY A 
118 Seven Sisters Dr (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-7653-0000-0090    KOMINDO HAZEL L 
120 Seven Sisters Dr (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-7653-0000-0070    SWESKY JEFFREY A + MICHELINE N 
124 Seven Sisters Dr (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-9024-0000-0130    SHIVER JAMES L 
125 Seven Sisters Dr (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-7653-0000-0060    BARD PHYLLIS 
126 Seven Sisters Dr (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-9024-0000-0160    EASCO GROUP INVESTMENTS LLC 
127 Seven Sisters Dr (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-7653-0000-0050    BARD PHYLLIS 
128 Seven Sisters Dr (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-7653-0000-0040    BARD PHYLLIS 
130 Seven Sisters Dr (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-7653-0000-0030    MOODY RAY E 
132 Seven Sisters Dr (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-9024-0000-0190    CHRISTIAN PAUL J + DONNA H/W ET AL 
133 Seven Sisters Dr (Satsuma) 


911 Address Search Results 
39-11-26-9024-0000-0190    CHRISTIAN PAUL J + DONNA H/W ET AL 
133 Seven Sisters Dr (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-7653-0000-0020    MOODY RAY E 
134 Seven Sisters Dr (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-9024-0000-0220    SANDERS RUSSELL + PATRICIA D H/W 
135 Seven Sisters Dr (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-7653-0000-0010    WEBER ROGER + JANIS TRUSTEES OF 
136 Seven Sisters Dr (Satsuma) 
39-11-26-0000-0170-0001    WEBER ROGER + JANIS TRUSTEES OF 
138 Seven Sisters Dr (Satsuma) 

[Kat_Gram]

I really do feel for Ms. Neves. She really loved Haleigh and I think that she was trying real hard based on her love for her grandkids to keep things moving smoothly for Ron.
So that Ron would continue to have the kids and thereby close to her. Too bad Ron is an azzhole who likes to mess and shack up with serial young dumb vulnerable girls who are a certain unempowered type and come from similiar backgrounds. Ron's act wouldn't go over with a girl who had any self worth or saw a future that included going to school
and doing something in life. Even if that doing something was to be a decent stay at home full time Mom.

[GramaMonkey]

39-11-26-8234-0050-0050    CROSLIN LINDSY KATE + GUY W SAPP 
116 Tyler St (Satsuma) 

What happened to Hank Croslin...did he not live at that address.   Who is SAPP???

[Jerseygirl345]

39-11-26-8234-0050-0050    CROSLIN LINDSY KATE + GUY W SAPP 
116 Tyler St (Satsuma) 

What happened to Hank Croslin...did he not live at that address.   Who is SAPP???

I dont know if he is related to Donald Sapp the RSO...

[mlee]

39-11-26-8234-0050-0050    CROSLIN LINDSY KATE + GUY W SAPP 
116 Tyler St (Satsuma) 

What happened to Hank Croslin...did he not live at that address.   Who is SAPP???

Guy is the father of Donald, and Donald is Lindy's Father and Misty's Grandfather? Is that Jersey?

This is one of the John's - Sapp mixes.. Also one with Graffis.

Modified Date:   4/20/1994 12:00:00 AM
Record Date :   4/20/1994 
Event Date :   Not Available
Grantor:   JOHNS MARIE S (4/20/1994 12:00:00 AM)
 
Grantee:   RHODEN GLADYS SAPP ROBERTS (4/20/1994 12:00:00 AM)
 
Book Type:   OR
Book / Page:   346 / 161
# of Pages:   2
Consideration:   0.00
Legal 
Legal: LETTERS OF ADMINISTRATION 94-12 CP

[mlee]

39-11-26-8234-0050-0050    CROSLIN LINDSY KATE + GUY W SAPP 
116 Tyler St (Satsuma) 

What happened to Hank Croslin...did he not live at that address.   Who is SAPP???

I dont know if he is related to Donald Sapp the RSO...

cl email.. send you a photo of him.....

[Jerseygirl345]

Good Evening Monkeys... Hey mlee...

[Brandi]

maybe Crystal has a haunted look in her eyes because her 5 yr old daughter is missing?

I think that we have all been touched by some sort of abuse in our lives...some hide it better...some claim abuse when there has been none...some men look like abusers and they are teddy bears...some are wonderful in public and turn into raging maniacs behind closed doors...I don't think that anyone can judge if someone is an abuser by their looks....jmo

I agree about how abusers can look like teddy bears. My ex was a snake in the grass, people just flock to him, but behind closed doors, he was was violent.

I have to say Ron does seem very violent per all police reports and flying off at the handle, but I do think Crystal was abused in some sort of way. Just sucks if she has its coming out now, instead of when she left Ron. But I had been abused so badly that at my divorce I nearly gave my kids over to my ex because he had abused me so bad, that I thought I was a worthless mother. To the point I was begging God to just take my life and to end it all because I couldn't understand what I did so wrong for him to punish me so.

If it hadn't of been my Mama and Daddy threatening me if I left the kids with him, they would take me to court, I probably would have left my kids in the den of hell.

Its hard to say whats going on between Crystal and Ron, but if she had been abused, perhaps her haunted look is a "what the hell have I put my daughter through" kinda look?

All entirely my opinion.

And she is with a guy that has a record for what?? domestic violence and has JUST gotten visitation back of his own children. She has been with him by someones math at least 21 months.. How do we know that abused look is not from him??? We do not.

Searching...you go girl! a voice of reason and fairness...here here!

?? I don't understand what I said to get members riled up. This is the second night in a row, and I apologize for whatever I said, but dang. I agreed with the majority of the posts, but last night it was another member who seemed to get riled up at me, and tonight its about me commenting on Crystal's look. Gah, going back to lurking if I even read at all.

I apologize to everyone for even trying to give two cents or assist in anyway.

scooter:

You have a right to your opinions just as anyone else here does.

I don't think you got anyone riled up!

Sit! Stay! Post!

Oops, looks like I am too late.

Anyway, don't feel that way, please. Everyone's opinion here counts!!!

 

[Searching]

maybe Crystal has a haunted look in her eyes because her 5 yr old daughter is missing?

I think that we have all been touched by some sort of abuse in our lives...some hide it better...some claim abuse when there has been none...some men look like abusers and they are teddy bears...some are wonderful in public and turn into raging maniacs behind closed doors...I don't think that anyone can judge if someone is an abuser by their looks....jmo

I agree about how abusers can look like teddy bears. My ex was a snake in the grass, people just flock to him, but behind closed doors, he was was violent.

I have to say Ron does seem very violent per all police reports and flying off at the handle, but I do think Crystal was abused in some sort of way. Just sucks if she has its coming out now, instead of when she left Ron. But I had been abused so badly that at my divorce I nearly gave my kids over to my ex because he had abused me so bad, that I thought I was a worthless mother. To the point I was begging God to just take my life and to end it all because I couldn't understand what I did so wrong for him to punish me so.

If it hadn't of been my Mama and Daddy threatening me if I left the kids with him, they would take me to court, I probably would have left my kids in the den of hell.

Its hard to say whats going on between Crystal and Ron, but if she had been abused, perhaps her haunted look is a "what the hell have I put my daughter through" kinda look?

All entirely my opinion.

And she is with a guy that has a record for what?? domestic violence and has JUST gotten visitation back of his own children. She has been with him by someones math at least 21 months.. How do we know that abused look is not from him??? We do not.

Seaching

Thank you..

OS

The domestic violence was dismissed...It was posed earlier...

Ok, so if we discount it because it was dismissed then we discount Ronalds because they were as well...

[Jerseygirl345]

maybe Crystal has a haunted look in her eyes because her 5 yr old daughter is missing?

I think that we have all been touched by some sort of abuse in our lives...some hide it better...some claim abuse when there has been none...some men look like abusers and they are teddy bears...some are wonderful in public and turn into raging maniacs behind closed doors...I don't think that anyone can judge if someone is an abuser by their looks....jmo

I agree about how abusers can look like teddy bears. My ex was a snake in the grass, people just flock to him, but behind closed doors, he was was violent.

I have to say Ron does seem very violent per all police reports and flying off at the handle, but I do think Crystal was abused in some sort of way. Just sucks if she has its coming out now, instead of when she left Ron. But I had been abused so badly that at my divorce I nearly gave my kids over to my ex because he had abused me so bad, that I thought I was a worthless mother. To the point I was begging God to just take my life and to end it all because I couldn't understand what I did so wrong for him to punish me so.

If it hadn't of been my Mama and Daddy threatening me if I left the kids with him, they would take me to court, I probably would have left my kids in the den of hell.

Its hard to say whats going on between Crystal and Ron, but if she had been abused, perhaps her haunted look is a "what the hell have I put my daughter through" kinda look?

All entirely my opinion.

And she is with a guy that has a record for what?? domestic violence and has JUST gotten visitation back of his own children. She has been with him by someones math at least 21 months.. How do we know that abused look is not from him??? We do not.

Seaching

Thank you..

OS

The domestic violence was dismissed...It was posed earlier...

Ok, so if we discount it because it was dismissed then we discount Ronalds because they were as well...

Searching- I posted afterwards Yes Ron's domestic violence was dismissed along with his long list of drug records...

[cookie]

maybe Crystal has a haunted look in her eyes because her 5 yr old daughter is missing?

I think that we have all been touched by some sort of abuse in our lives...some hide it better...some claim abuse when there has been none...some men look like abusers and they are teddy bears...some are wonderful in public and turn into raging maniacs behind closed doors...I don't think that anyone can judge if someone is an abuser by their looks....jmo

I agree about how abusers can look like teddy bears. My ex was a snake in the grass, people just flock to him, but behind closed doors, he was was violent.

I have to say Ron does seem very violent per all police reports and flying off at the handle, but I do think Crystal was abused in some sort of way. Just sucks if she has its coming out now, instead of when she left Ron. But I had been abused so badly that at my divorce I nearly gave my kids over to my ex because he had abused me so bad, that I thought I was a worthless mother. To the point I was begging God to just take my life and to end it all because I couldn't understand what I did so wrong for him to punish me so.

If it hadn't of been my Mama and Daddy threatening me if I left the kids with him, they would take me to court, I probably would have left my kids in the den of hell.

Its hard to say whats going on between Crystal and Ron, but if she had been abused, perhaps her haunted look is a "what the hell have I put my daughter through" kinda look?

All entirely my opinion.

And she is with a guy that has a record for what?? domestic violence and has JUST gotten visitation back of his own children. She has been with him by someones math at least 21 months.. How do we know that abused look is not from him??? We do not.

Searching...you go girl! a voice of reason and fairness...here here!

?? I don't understand what I said to get members riled up. This is the second night in a row, and I apologize for whatever I said, but dang. I agreed with the majority of the posts, but last night it was another member who seemed to get riled up at me, and tonight its about me commenting on Crystal's look. Gah, going back to lurking if I even read at all.

I apologize to everyone for even trying to give two cents or assist in anyway.

Scuters....I don't think anyone was riled up at your post at all hon...I think that it just got inside the quote stack....wasn't you or your post at all as far as I am concerned if you meant me, which I hope that you did not...Peace.....
you give your 2 cents worth just like the rest of us...trust me...it was all in the stack and not what you said at all...xxxxxx

[BluesyGram]

attorney Kim has been misleading on the age difference on different shows that she has been on..which leads to confusion as well...she stated that Ron had being giving Crystal drugs from the time that she was just a little girl...well, he must have been just a little boy at the same time that that happened since there isn't quite 2 yrs difference in their ages....Kim made it sound as if Ron was a whole lot older than Crystal and was forcing her to take drugs....

IMO 14 is rather young-  I consider that a little girl.   

me too...but he was around the same age....so he was rather young as well.....

14 yrs old is too young, much too young.

Where was the Mama Marie?  What was she doing?   What year was it when she remarried?

Where was Daddy Sheffield at the time?  What were they doing?

Glad you brought that up Heart....seems like Marie gets a free pass on her raising of Crystal and TN and GGM are made to be monsters.

IIRC Marie was CONVICTED of selling drugs...wonder if Crystal was living with her while she was selling/using drugs out of her house?  (That would entail her having drug addicts come to her house to buy drugs and your child being exposed to those dangers)

Also, we have no proof that Ron was using/still using drugs...HE was employed, and nowadays most have to pass a drug screen to obtain employment in construction (OSHA) and are subjected to random drug testing.  

Another thing is. when I looked at Crystal's myspace BEFORE it was made private, she had huge cannabis posters (plural) on her wall in the living room.  Who does that?  My guess is...someone who STILL does drugs.  So, do you think that hollow look in her eyes could possibly be because it is drug induced?  And about the supposed abuse from Ron....she hasn't lived w/Ron for 4 years....IMO...if she is being abused, it isn't from Ron.  So, now she has another child with a man that has a CONVICTION for abuse?  Guess she likes abuse.

As far as Misty floating around to avoid work..(and yes, I do think she is the KEY)..what about Crystal who keeps popping out babies that she cannot afford?  Is the reason she is not married to the father because she gets welfare and food stamps?  She needs to keep her legs shut and/or take birth control.  Why keep having children and exposing them to this lifestyle?

I prefer to base my opinions on facts...court documents are facts....the rest of this is smoke and mirrors.

Now is any of this finding poor little Haleigh?  NO....and I so not understand why the LE there doesn't want anyone looking for her.  Are they protecting the druggies or are they protecting the people from the druggies?  If they know they are there, why haven't they done something about it already?

Why did they wait till after every reporter and family touched the door to take it?  If the rest of the 'investigation' was as incompetent as that...it makes me wonder what is going on down there.  

Sorry for the long post...I guess I was ready to explode holding it in.  Of course this are my opinions only and not directed at anyone...we all have the right to follow our own instincts and opinions and I really like to read about others thoughts and experiences that brings us to our own conclusions.

Hugs, Searching.

[Kat_Gram]

Yes we do get riled up here. Sometimes I have to be good cop bad cop with myself and
sometimes the devil on my shoulder makes me type things.
Jeff Hardy is the one we should be aiming our comments to.
...........
I am mixed up with the Sapps.
Is the RSO SAPP the older guy with glasses and greyish hair ?
Which one was off his " leash " that they looked at and said okee dokee ?
'Cause he was accounted for the night of ?   

[cookie]

Scuters...just re read the posts again....
again, just speaking for myself..you said nothing wrong, nor did your post...like I said, I think that comments were just how the stack came out maybe...?
xxxx

[cookie]

bluesygram...you rock! now tell us how you really feel...

this case is maddening...meanwhile, a little girl waits to be found....