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I'm first!

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enjoy your stay in the Peruvian prison!

Nut,that was smooth!

OMG!! LOL!! I just panicked with Klaas's post and made a thread! I've since deleted it!  Thanks Nut!

LOL he is trying to hold his pants up

OMG what's he doing & why is he holding it lol

Not really.  I was in the middle of posting and ...

Story of my life.  Nobody is listening.

LOL

Janet

Watch the video transfer to peru of Joran Van der Sloot

(you have to scroll about 1/2 way down the page)
http://www.robaleche.com/mira-el-video-del-traslado-al-peru-de-joran-van-der-sloot/

LOL

After 63 years of life ... there is not much I do not get but ... there is much I choose not to acknowledge.

However ... I concede that often others do not get my attempts at sarcasm/humor.  This is why I consider those icons a literally Godsend.

SunnyinTX ... you are on a roll today.

Janet

Wonder what he looks like in 30 years.

the sock he stuffs down there fell?

I asked that of my three year old, and he said "Because it feels good." <monkey shrug shoulder>

Joran on his second day in prison in Peru......

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He doesn't want anyone to see he's actually a eunuch

I don't think the 30 Euro a month from the dutch embassy is going to help with that somehow

BLONDE!!! LMFFAaooooooo!!!

I think he's holding the one friend he's got left.

Flores, 48, buried his daughter Thursday but said he expected her to be exhumed so that DNA tests can be performed.

"Under the fingernails of my daughter there are traces, evidence, that's why they didn't permit her cremation," he said.

Dr. Tejada confirmed that valuable evidence could be found under the girl's fingernails.

Flores said he hopes his daughter's death will help investigators solve not just the Holloway case but others of missing girls in which van der Sloot might be responsible.

Holloway was an 18-year-old who was celebrating her high school graduation on Aruba when she disappeared. Van der Sloot told investigators he left her on a beach, drunk. That's the last anyone saw of her. Van der Sloot was twice arrested in her disappearance — and twice released for insufficient evidence.

The girl's mother, Beth Holloway of Mountain Brook, Ala, could not be reached for comment. Her uncle, Paul Reynolds, told NBC's "Today" show Friday that the family hopes to see van der Sloot put behind bars and the Aruba case reopened. He called the alleged extortion attempt "a despicable act."

Ricardo Flores said his daughter had been playing poker at the Atlantic City casino when she met van der Sloot and had dropped some girlfriends off at 2:30 a.m. Sunday and returned to the casino.

Police say she was killed between 5 a.m., when she and van der Sloot were entering his room by a hotel employee, and 8:45 a.m., when two people saw van der Sloot leave.

Flores, sitting slough-shouldered and dejected, lamented his daughter's having fallen for the "Machiavellian" van der Sloot.

"She was absolutely innocent. A big baby. Good and without any malice, you understand. She was still a girl. She was 21 years old but was still a girl. That is, a girl not worldly, who didn't know the other side of life, the hard side."

A New York lawyer for van der Sloot, Joseph Tacopina, had no immediate comment on his client's predicament. He said he was not yet able to say whether a Peruvian lawyer had been obtained for the young man.

Flores said he understood van der Sloot, one of three brothers whose father Aruba judge father died in February, has been traveling the world playing poker and taking advantage of young women.

Aruba's attorney general, Taco Stein, told the AP that island authorities had not been keeping track of the movements of van der Sloot, who had lately been living mostly in the Netherlands.

He said he didn't know how the young man was supporting himself.

"It's possible that when he lived in Holland that he got welfare, or maybe he had a job. He's an ardent poker player and that means every now and again he wins too. Maybe he supports himself with that. I really have no idea," Stein said.

The Holloway case has followed many twists and turns.

Two years ago, a Dutch television crime reporter captured hidden-camera footage of van der Sloot saying he was with Holloway when she collapsed on a beach from being drunk.

He said he believed she was dead and asked a friend to dump her body in the sea. Judges subsequently refused to arrest van der Sloot on the basis of the tape.

The journalist, Peter de Vries, reported later in 2008 that he had documented van der Sloot recruiting Thai


 in Bangkok for sex work in the Netherlands.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/top/all/7037149.html

WHOA!!!  That is more than I wanted to see!

EEEEEEEWwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww NR!

noooooo, I don't think a case of Preparation H will either...... <insert Bug eyed icon here>

Joram van der Sloot was expelled from Chile and handed over to Peruvian authorities
Written by Lesly Arce
Friday, June 4, 2010

The citizen Joran Van Der Sloot Netherlands was expelled from the country of Chile and made available to the Peruvian authorities. The accused in the death of Stephany Flores (21), arrived at Arica airport midway through 2:35 pm, escorted by members of the Investigative Police of Chile, was handcuffed and wore at all times a calm appearance.

Already in the border city, the Chilean authorities proceeded with their transfer to the special unit of La Concordia, where he was placed at the disposal of Interpol Peru and prosecutors.

About 3:00 pm, troops sealed off the border post command Santa Rosa (Tacna), prohibiting the movement of tourists to the border control, after the arrival of the Dutchman's most wanted by the Peruvian justice system in recent days.

When out of the van was fitted with a bulletproof vest Joran Van Der Sloot, who continued enmarrocado. Inside the police station the Inspector Prefect Moris Douglas Rodriguez, chief of Police Region XV Arica y Parinacota and the Governor of the province of Arica, José Durana Semir, presented the minutes of expulsion from the Netherlands citizen, leaving him in the hands of Colonel PNP . Malaver Manuel Huaman, Executive Director of the Interpol NCB Lima.

Representatives of the Institute of Legal Medicine, had undergone a medical checkup to assess his health and then be transported to the city of Tacna and subsequent journey to the capital of the Republic.

POLICE COOPERATION BETWEEN PERU AND CHILE WAS SUCCESSFUL

Both the authorities in Chile and Peru, described as successful the operation to catch this guy who is wanted by the justice of our country, who must also answer for the murder of the daughter of businessman Ricardo Flores, after he was found dead at inside a hotel after a meeting with the Dutchman in a casino in the city of Lima.

"This shows that there is international cooperation that police in both countries, to act together to fight crime especially drug trafficking, this is a clear demonstration of how the police operate and function primarily by INTERPOL" said the Governor of Arica.

"We have met the administrative process of delivery at the frontier of our country, we are happy that everything turned out well and is a success (...), it was expelled from Chile," said Mayor Douglas Inspector Rodriguez.

For his part, Colonel PNP. Manuel Malaver INTERPOL team leader in our country indicated that Joran Van Der Sloot will be investigated for the alleged crime against him, thanking the police work in Chile in record time stopped the citizen Dutchman. "It is a successful procedure shows that international INTERPOL works, thanks to the immediate response of Chile at our request, surely the future will be mutual," he said.

Joran Van Der Sloot left the police station in the border towards the city of Tacna, averaging 4:30 in the afternoon.

http://www.radiouno.com.pe/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15454&Itemid=27

Not sure if he was wearing a belt before but if he was, they likely took it away just like they removed the ties on his sweatshirt.  So his pants won't stay up.  Such a shame, poor sporter.  (insert sarcasm emoticon)

Jane's ISHEWS is on.

From what I have been reading, he better get used to holding his pants up where he is going.

He won't make it 30 years.............not in their prison.................

It did my heart so much good to read this..............

The sentences in Peru are not a joke. A few grams of drugs in the baggage is enough for 8 to 25 years in the infamous Sarita Colinia or Lurigancho prison. And sentences in their own country, they can forget, because the Netherlands has no so-called WOTS (extradition) treaty with Peru.

"What you see in there is indescribable. Could not be worse. In Callao  four thousand are crammed into a bunker, built for eight hundred men. There was one guard for one hundred men. The detainees are in charge. There is murder, rape, intimidation. The prisoners fear for their lives. Guards are corrupt and violent. There is no privacy. Prisoners use single thin mat on the dirty concrete floor at night to sleep a little, but the screams and cries of the inmates are earshattering. "
He continues: "Everywhere there are prisoners: the dining tables in the window, on every stair, between the waste bins and the rotting feces. The heat and stench were unbearable. The food is too disgusting to touch. Many have illnesses, wounds, diarrhea constantly.

OMG! Should have given a girl some notice - diet coke on the puter! Clean up on isle 5!

Joran 'Van der Dood' wacht jaren cel in Peru
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Joran "The Dead" awaits years in prison in Peru

http://www.nieuwsblad.be/article/detail.aspx?articleid=G2Q2R54RT

here they call him Dood = dead, instead of Sloot

I'm telling.  KLAAAAS!!!

Janet - I got the humor but was in the middle of a tornado warning - but I like your humor!

OMG................I wish we could send this picture to his mother who has helped put him there with all the coverups.............she could have told what she knew to Beth Twitty, but no she just acted like a fool and let her freak husband do all these things over the years. She is to blame too.

Dutchman Joran van der Sloot 1780 soles paid to leave the country (with video of cab drivers and their cars)

A taxi driver who gave his services to the alleged murderer of the young Stephany Flores told the flight details of this

First paid for transportation of 1,500 soles to Nasca Ica and then paid 280 soles to be taken to Arica, Chile. That was how the country would have left the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, the alleged murderer of the young Stephany Flores, daughter of businessman and racer Ricardo Flores.

This happened last Sunday, according to Oswaldo Aparcana, taxi driver responsible for transporting the Nasca Dutchman who observed it and a lot of nervousness manifested in the constant consumption of cigarettes.

Pisconte Aparcana also told that the suspect was wearing shorts and white sneakers, and was in possession of two suitcases.

"We have left Nasca at 12 pm or so and have come to Arica at four in the afternoon of Monday," he told RPP radio station.

He added that Van der Sloot also had a ticket to Cusco, where he apparently was going to run on Sunday, but ultimately failed to do.

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/489040/holandes-joran-van-der-sloot-pago780-soles-salir-pais

Maybe Mommie can send him a case of this:

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Moving this post in Articles Only to Natalee Holloway #834

Paul Reynolds has the patience of Job.

Someone should tell these so-called news people that there are actually some questions that simply should not be asked.

YES! And well said, too!

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A tornado!  Is everything OK now?

Janet

She's busy, Janet! She's looking in the thesaurus under "slut".  <devil grin>

On HLN a family member thought Stephany was kidnapped at first.

Janet -

I laughed out loud when I read your post in the last thread - I honestly wasn't sure though if you were displaying a wicked sense of humor or a pure naivete and that's why I didn't comment.

Very funny, my friend.  Very funny.

Kermit:
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Shhhh

CBB

While Klaas is gone ... could you activate those the emotion icon option.  Pleeeease.

Janet

This guy on HLN said he thinks Joran is a fame addict.

Where the Inmates Rule

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWCEiNZfnz0&feature=related

worlds toughest prisons

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtphazxRR2Q&feature=related

I have a theory Janet......... I think that those of us who need our hands to "talk" miss them the most! I'm with you!! Maybe if we all just jump at once we could knock the server where it should be and then we could all get dressed!

OMG!! We're all in here NEKKY!!!! < monkey shock >

LOL!

Nice find RB

LOL

CBB ... you are a hoot!

Janet

Wendy Murphy said the video of Joran entering the room and leaving is a slam dunk.  She said you don't even need DNA evidence.

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Lifesong ... this is the reason why I require those emotion icons desperately.

However ... I am nt complaining.  I know that Klaas has been going crazy in her attempt to keep this site up and running in the last few days and ... this Natalee Holloway case addict is very appreciative of her efforts.

Janet

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He picked the wrong girl this time...............Her father will make sure justice is served HOT !!

I will be she had a ton of his DNA under her fingernails.

Yea, we know Janet, and you will never ever ever ask for anything else ever again! :)

I'm catching up again....

ROFLMAO

No ... I will never ask Klaas or the mods for anything ever again.  Cross my heart and ... my fingers.

Janet

Hotel receptionist interrogate TAC for the crime of Stephany Ramirez Flores allegedly by a Dutchman

Lima (Peru.com) .- Adelai Abad Marchena, hotel receptionist TAC of Miraflores, where he was found dead the young Stephany Flores Ramirez (21), delivered his statement in the Homicide Division of Criminal Investigation Department (DIRINCRI) .
 
Abad Marchena was questioned about the circumstances in which the citizen Joran Van Der Sloot Netherlands, the main suspect in the murder, he stayed in that hotel since 14 May.
 
It was reported that the receptionist was also questioned on arrival from abroad along with Ramirez Flores, who was later found dead, lying on the floor, in room 309 of that establishment.
 
It should be noted that the DIRINCRI was questioned Edson Garcia, a citizen of Albanian origin, who was also in the TAC and participated hotel next to the victim and the suspect in the championship of poker at the Atlantis Casino City.
 
It was reported that the Homicide Division would be quoting more employees of the hotel who were on duty the day of the murder. The case is being handled in complete secrecy by the prosecutor Nilsa Sotomayor Espinoza.

http://www.peru.com/noticias/portada20100604/100482/Interrogan-a-recepcionista-del-hotel-TAC-por-el-crimen-de-Stephany-Flores-Ramirez-presuntamente-a-manos-de-un-holandes

on NG they just flashed that the murder weapon was  a baseball bat

Baseball bat confirmed as murder weapon.

HLN

So...when does Momma Sloot's flight leave for Peru?

now they say it was a baseball bat?

Watching, no cell is good enough for this monster, he deserves a painful slow demise (God forgive me).

I wonder if that's true if they found the bat.

Bahaha    Pants on the ground, Pants on the ground....looking like a fool with your pants on the ground

OMG.  A baseball bat.

That's what we heard about Natalee.

omg.

shocked again.  I just keep hating him more.

A baseball bat.   OMGosh.   Joran beat her to death with a baseball bat.  Terrible.  I wonder why he would have a baseball bat in his room?

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They are reporting it was found in the room.

Baseball bat found in hotel room with Stephany's body.

They have a mountian of evidence against him.

They just said the bat was found in the hotel room.
OMG. The poor girl.

Completely premeditated.

who travels with a baseball bat?

He may have found it in Stephany's Jeep.  Just throwing it out there, I am no way defending this scum.

Somebody help me out here...

Wasn't it Joran's brother Val that we heard had said he'd bashed her head in with a baseball bat?

First time we've seen that smug slapped off his face  NG is showing the video, the PDI "assisted" him HARD into that vehicle...dang why bother with the bullet proof vest, its not like many would mourn.    Im going to have to go to confession & do a serious round with my rosaries because I'm having thoughts of severe fate towards this monster.

He needs to be in a straight jacket while they beat him with a baseball bat. What a maniac.

wtf........where did he put the bat when he traveled, in his suitcase? Who packs a baseball bat when they fly? This is weird.

RoxiBalboa,

Thank you very much for finding that for me.

Well Well, look who just became facebook friends with Charles Croes, those Guided Light nuts:

http://www.guidedlight.com/

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if the find the body they will see that shit.

This picture is priceless!

Bet his momma is proud as piss!

Hi all,
have not been here in a long time.
glad to see there are still some familiar names around.

Am so excited that they have arrested the b*stard!!
its all over the news here in the netherlands, as probably all over the world.

over here media says he will get 25 to 35 years in prison in Peru.

finally, justice!

and respect to all of you who hung in there for all these years...

Sounds to me that many of us were right on, this SOB mirrored Natalee's murder...one has to wonder if he did this to Stephany to make Natalee's family suffer even more, I dont think he gave a thought as to how Stephany's family would live a life of deep loss....HUGE mistake.

Yes Blah.  I still say she was murdered at the rock area near the Lighthouse.  Where they disposed of her body I'm not as certain of.

I agree with you.

Hi!  25-35 years in Peru then he can come to the US and serve another 50 for extortion.

Baseball bats can be bought in other countriesbesides the U.S.   But maybe he brought his own, I don't know.  He could have brought one with the intention of using it as he did... just told customs he was a sporter.   I'm wondering if it is THAT premeditated that he used a bat on Stephany and of course there were rumors he used a bat on Natalee. 

I just checked.  There's a national baseball team in Peru.  http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Peru_national_baseball_team Peru national baseball team


The Peru national baseball team is a national team of Peru and is controlled by the Federación Peruana de Béisbol. It represents the nation in senior-level men's international competition. The team is a member of the COPABE.

Lovesong

viet vet ... Jug Twitty's friend ... claims that a person told him and other searchers from Alabama that Joran had hit Natalee with a baseball bat and that same person had stated that Joran had been sleeping at his school.  The sleeping at the school turned out to be true ...

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viet vet
FP comments
December 6, 2006

66.  viet vet on December 6th, 2006 8:11 pm
Speaking of off the record comments, we were told were to find Joran at the International School on a Friday , June 2 or 3, have it in my notes. Was also told Joran hit Natalee with an aluminum baseball bat…in the head. The same man told me both stories and guess what, Joran was at the International School that day, hiding. He was sleeping over there rather than home,,, scared he was. The fine Aruba Police followed us to the school that day or maybe we would already have solved this case. Yeah Karin, a bounch of cowboys…

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/12/06/diario-they-went-into-panic-when-natalee-remained-passed-out/


Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Pages 81/82:  We go back to the hotel to update the new group of men on all that has transpired since we first arrived on the island.  The come up with the idea to try to find Joran va der Sloot at his school to see if they can talk with him directly.  Bill, Charlie, Mitch, and Jeff head to the International School of Aruba and leave the rest of us at the hotel to continue tracking leads.  Upon their arrival, they encounter the assistant headmaster, who takes them to the office.  As he leads them, they ask if Joran attends this school.  "Yes, yes.  And he has been sleeping here."  Surprised that he offers this, they store this information and make their way to the office ...

It's like he took the $15,000.00 from Beth and then used the same method to reenact the murder of Natalee. As though he was paid to deliver to Beth information about Natalee's death.

Deepak needs to tell the truth today.  His time is quickly running out.  Those who covered this up can't afford for him to be out there with the knowledge he has.

you are right, Klaasend, THAT would be justice.
Or, it would be justice if they'd hang him by the balls but i doubt they do that, even in peru

Because if they didn't provide him with a bullet proof vest and he got shot, folks in Aruba like Renho would be screaming he didn't get a fair trial.

So is that something Joran typically packs in his suitcase?  Why would he have a bat in his hotel room?  Was it planned?

And it explains why they said that she fell out of the car and hit her head in order to cover up if Natalee's body was found. The injuries to her head from the baseball bat.

Thank you Klaas for bringing that forward.  That was the first thing I thought of when I heard it on Nancy Grace.


I think Joran just gave us the answers as to how he killed Natalee.  I think he killed Stephany in the same way, on purpose.  I mean, who the HELL travels to another country with a baseball bat??????  We KNOW he doesn't play any kind of sports any more.



Date rape drugs, baseball bat..............



I think THAT was his motive for this murder - to confess in a way without having to speak the words, because really - who the hell would believe anything he says anyway?



I'm just sick....

Kerm - and that wasn't the only time we heard of a head injury.  Remember his teacher (or headmaster?) talking about being on the beach, playing in the water, and she fell and hit her head on a rock?

Sorry Klaas.

Janet

Sorry, was supposed to be inserted after the other quote;
I think it is more like, 'Dear Lord, please don't let the other prisoners see how tiny I am.' And, 'I guess I can kiss this goodbye, too'

Tonight there was a show on tv, Peter R. de Vries was quoted, he has been speaking to Beth.
Peter R. says Beth told him she did not pay Yoran squad.

Oh that's right. Great memory Jen.

Hey all,

Personally, with this idiots track record, he would never last 25 years in a Peruvian prison.

I don't think it was a coincidence he chose a girl to murder on the 5th anniversary of him murdering Natalee, and I'm afraid the POS has recreated the crime further. As Jug said, Joran kept the element of Natalee hitting her head through most of his stories. Peru prison is too good for him!

Remembering when we all speculated that he could have used a baseball bat on Natalee ...

I'm just shattered. 

I can't imagine how I could think that one form of murder is better than another, but overdose was at least something I could wrap my brain around.  This I simply cannot fathom.

And then of course there was his latest of her falling off a balcony and dying from a head injury.  That's been one common theme throughout everything we've learned these past 5 years.

Kerm, I really do think we just learned how Natalee died.  Where is that crying Monkey??  OMG

Hello and long time no see sugar Monkeys!  Are we all celebrating some and mourning a bit too?  Does anyone else get the feeling that Natalie and Stephany aren't the only women that pscyho has murdered?

That was my understanding. It sounded like someone knew Stephany had gone to the casino. Her father contacted the casino and  was shown the video surveillance of Stephany leaving with Joran. The casino gave Mr. Flores a copy of Joran's passport and the family googled Joran. Someone from casino called the hotel Joran was staying in. Clerk went to room when Joran didn't answer the phone. Clerk said TV was on, but Joran didn't answer door. She went to her supervisor who told her to get copy of key and go into his room where she found Stephany's body.
Allegedly Joran told clerk when he was leaving with 2 suitcases that he would be back, and not allow anyone to enter his room including maids who clean the rooms.

What a sick coward

Oh, my word ...

So am I Lifesong.  I mean, I've always believed he killed Natalee purposefully and violently, but my brain could just never 'go there' with specifics.  I hope that sonofab*tch gets everything he's got coming to him - and then some.

Yes, he said Joran cut her head off above the eyebrows.  Consistent with description of a head wound from something like a bat.

Hi Red! I sort of want him to last a long time. The descriptions I've read about Latin prisons seems particularly fitting, and I wish him a long, long time to think.

Exactly ...

I sincerely hope the man who told them this comes forward with everything he knows.  I wish viet vet would tell us his name.  We could do a lot with that, in pressuring the truth to come out...

And something about her being in their bathtub?

da_wench! Good to see you!

Yeah, I've wondered the same thing!

My thoughts exactly.  

I think you're right.

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Hello PERU ME YAMO ES JORAN

Wow, that's right.  The head injury has been in many of his stories.  I hate that sick *&^%!

Yes, that's what I recall.

In the netherlands Joran hooked up with someone called Jaap.
they became sort of friends.
Jaap put Joran on the lie detector on television months ago.
and questioned Joran about Natalee's death.
It was clear Joran lied and tried to manipulate the outcome of the test.
This week the police searched the house of Jaap and took computers, mobile phones etc.
Tonight Jaap was on television and said Joran was not himself for the last weeks, he was in need for cash and in a bad temper.
he said Joran probably made contact with this peruvian girl because he needed money

I don't think the creep is going to last 25 days!

Hi Red!

And Val said that her head was off above the eyebrows.

Yes, Joran was wearing a red belt when he was detained yesterday in Chile. From what I've read many of men in Peru prisons are still wearing the clothes they are arrested in. I imagine Momma Sloot will probably get more clothes for her sportster though.....lol   She better bring pants with an elastic was or a size smaller than he usually wears or he'll be running around naked......that would not be pretty for Joran.

I don't know Red - look at this fine A$$$

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Yes and after he murdered Stephany he took her $5000

"if the find the body they will see that shit"

I've got chills!

Hoping for a whole waterfall of truth to come out ...

Because the $15,000 he extorted wasn't enough for his greedy, murdering as$.

And perhaps the no sexual assault on Stephany was because killing her is how he got his gratification this time?  Or maybe he truly does have impotency issues...........hmmmm I think it's time for Aline and Melody to both step forward with their sexual encounters with him.  We already know the Aruban Stephany (can't remember her last name) accused him of drugging her...

Certainly is.

I agree. And the wrapping in a blanket with Stephany and with Natalee a blue tarp.

Thats why they never gave the body back

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have fun in Peru. ROTFLMAO

Yes, the painted rocks.  Daddy even drives by to take a peek.

sorry to say -

It was always get raped and shut the hell up -

or get killed.

The two that didn't shut the hell up got killed.

sorry to say.

Aw crap.  You're right kerm.  I hadn't even thought of that parallel.

So he made no attempts to hide the body, or kill her anywhere but his own hotel room - because he WANTED these connections to be made?

I think so....

I would agree. A foreign national kills a Peruvian girl of a prominent family. This SOB is going to finally get whats coming to him. At this point he might just admit to Natalee's murder and hope to get in a US federal prison for the rest of his life. He is toast.

On Nancy Grace

Discussion about Stephany with Enrique Flores, brother of Stephany, the statement about her being a third year business student at the University of Lima being...you must have been so proud of her

Her brother Enrique said they are still proud of her now...his sister sacrificed her life to put this killer in jail.

 :monkeytears:

OMG, I just got home from hospital (hubby decided to have breathing/respiratory problems and was admitted) and watching NG and the weapon is a ballbat?  Does this boy always travel with a bat?  You can bet there are more victims  out there.  they just have not put them together yet with Joran or they were poor young ladies being sold into slavery.  I hate this SOB.

In Peru, a conviction is based on the preponderance of evidence, not "beyond reasonable doubt" as it is here.  (And by 3 Judges, not a jury)

Per HLN

<sarcasm alert>

How admirable of Aruba! Destroy all evidence, use the ALE to facilitate a total cover up, and by all means set Joran free to continue his hobby of beating young girls to death with a baseball bat! Yeah! That only cost them millions in tourism and Stephany her life!

That island is more contaminated with blood than our gulf is with oil!

Oh wow.  Stephany's whole family have hearts of gold.  My heart just breaks for them all!!!

I can't help but think so too...

OMG

Tears is right .. I love her family.

Thanks cece.  That is fantastic news!!!!!

I said this a long time ago. If Joran is wearing a watch, they should test the band for DNA. Most men will never change the watch they are wearing for many years. Not that I want to except him into my gender.

I hope the whole damn rock dries up and withers away - they deserve nothing less!!!

Hi CBB!

Hi backatcha, Jen! We're seeing it, Jen............ we're really seeing it! Joran WILL face justice!!!

If you think about it-Natalee & Stefany's facial structures are sahped so very similar to me--just different hair coloring.  Beautiful classic beauties.

2 raids on 2 homes? I know Jaap's but whose is the other?

2 homes raided in NL.  I wonder whose besides Jaap?

Deepak said at the end of the Skeeter's tape - and it was never disputed - 'I know too much and those Jugdes know I know'.

With the "she did - she didn't" as the main focus - this was often overlooked. I didn't even know about it until Jamie told me about it and I listened for myself.

With that said - the end is near for the Kalpoes. Aruba can't have them running around with the knowledge they're packin'.

With Joran now done forever - it is time to "hand in pocket" the remaining loose ends.

Can't say I thought there would ever be an 800 million dollar payday for them or a "live happily ever after".

To quote Dipshit - "it's all dark now".

They had their chance - in fact, many chances, but this is South American and it's not the land of milk and cookies.

TILT!

Joran is just SICK
don't even try to understand this guy. psychopath.
he will never get out this Peruvan prison alive.

That is exactly what I heard, I would say JVS, maybe Kalpoe's?

**shaped**

And it's about damned time!!!  I'm just in tears.  I have soo many conflicting emotions right now........My heart is with the Holloways and Twittys tonight.  You know that if we've made the connection with the announcement of the murder weapon - so have they.  Their poor Angel!!

Or Anita's ???

I don't remember what news channel reported cause of death was brain hemorrhage, not a broken neck.
Don't know if this was a fact or not.

Dont forget 20/20 tonight & maybe he'll get to Lima by Greta's hour on Fox

I am sorry to say but I dont think Jora wil confess on murdering Natalee, and tell where the body is.
Unless he gets something important out of it.
For instance, if life in the Peru jail is hell for him, I bet he will ask for the ambassador and tell the whole story as long as he will be jailed in a better place/country
bet you thats whats going to happen

Probably

Jaap talked about it in the articles posted earlier, an associate of his.  I can't remember the name right now.  I'm looking back.

Blue Moon

How is your husband doing?

Janet

http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel10/topten_060410.htm
Press Release

For Immediate Release
June 4, 2010
   

Washington D.C.
FBI National Press Office
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FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending June 4, 2010

   1. Birmingham: Joran van der Sloot Charged with Fraud and Extortion in Birmingham

      Federal prosecutors in Birmingham filed a criminal complaint against Joran van der Sloot on wire fraud and extortion charges. The charges are in connection with his soliciting money in May on promises he would reveal the location of Natalee Holloway’s remains in Aruba and circumstances of her death. Full Story

   2. Boston: Former Massachusetts State Senator Dianne Wilkerson Pleads Guilty to Extortion

      Former Massachusetts State Senator DIANNE WILKERSON pleaded guilty to public corruption charges stemming from her acceptance of more than $20,000 in cash payments in connection with her official duties. Full Story
   3. Houston: Threat to Blow Up FBI Building in D.C. Results in Prison Term

      Jeff Henry Williamson of Jackson, Mississippi was sentenced to prison this week for threatening to blow up the J. Edgar Hoover FBI building in Washington, D.C. Full Story
   4. St. Louis: FBI Launches Digital Billboard Campaign to Identify “Grandad Bandit”

      The FBI St. Louis Division launched a digital billboard campaign throughout Missouri to identify its most recent serial bank robber, the “Grandad Bandit.” He has robbed approximately 20 banks in various cities since January of this year. Full Story
   5. Houston: Texas Man Indicted for Attempting to Provide Material Support to al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula

      A federal grand jury in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Texas returned an indictment charging Barry Walter Bujol, Jr., with attempting to provide material support to a designated terrorist organization and aggravated identity. Full Story
   6. Cleveland: Two Ohio Residents Arrested for Conspiring to Provide Material Support to Hizballah and Fraud

      Two residents of Toledo, Ohio, Hor I. Akl, and his spouse, Amera A. Akl, were arrested on charges that they conspired to provide material support to a designated foreign terrorist organization, conspired to launder money, and committed arson relating to an insurance fraud scheme. Hor Akl is also charged with two counts of bankruptcy fraud and one count of perjury. The Akls were arrested without incident and are expected to make their initial appearance in Toledo federal court. Full Story
   7. Baltimore: Mother and Son Indicted in Scheme to Defraud the Baltimore Washington Medical Center

      A federal grand jury has indicted Margie L. Milisitz, of Severna Park, Maryland, and her son, John Milisitz, of Carlsbad, California, for mail fraud and interstate transportation of stolen property in connection with a scheme to defraud the Baltimore Washington Medical Center, where Margie Milisitz was employed. The indictment was returned on March 25, 2010, and unsealed upon the arrest of the defendants in San Diego, California. Full Story
   8. Detroit: Leaders of the Detroit Highwaymen Found Guilty of Racketeering, Drug, and Weapons Charges

      Six leaders of the Detroit Highwaymen Motorcycle Club were found guilty on a variety of charges, including conspiracy to violate federal racketeering laws and conspiracy to commit murder, along with controlled substance, stolen property, and firearm violations. These six defendants are the first of 91 Detroit Highwaymen members and associates to go to trial. Full Story
   9. Phoenix: Border Patrol Agent Pleads Guilty to Civil Rights Violation

      U.S. Border Patrol Agent Eduardo Moreno pleaded guilty in federal court in Tucson, Arizona to a federal criminal civil rights charge for assaulting a Mexican national who was in his custody. Sentencing has been scheduled for August 12, 2010. Full Story
  10. Cincinnati: Roller Derby Team President Pleads Guilty to Fraudulently Obtaining More Than 500 Airline Tickets for Family, Teammates

      The president of the Cincinnati Roller Girls, Mercedes B. Stafford, who skates under the name “Sadistic Sadie,” pleaded guilty in United States District Court in Covington, Kentucky to one count of wire fraud, admitting that she illegally obtained more than 500 airline tickets between May 2007 and October 2009 through her other job as an employee of United Airlines at the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport. Full Story

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Joran van der Sloot Charged with Fraud and Extortion in Birmingham

BIRMINGHAM—Federal prosecutors in Birmingham have filed a criminal complaint against JORAN VAN DER SLOOT, a citizen of the Netherlands, on wire fraud and extortion charges in connection with his soliciting money in May on promises he would reveal the location of Natalee Holloway’s remains in Aruba and circumstances of her death, U.S. Attorney Joyce White Vance and FBI Special Agent in Charge Patrick Maley announced today.

“We are committed to protecting citizens from unscrupulous individuals who attempt to financially exploit a person’s deepest fears and greatest loss,” Vance said.

The wire fraud and extortion charges are unrelated to the ongoing murder investigation in Peru, in which van der Sloot is an alleged person of interest.

Vance said her office filed the two-count criminal complaint today in U.S. District Court in Birmingham.

The complaint charges that van der Sloot, on May 10, extorted $15,000 from an individual as partial payment toward his promise to reveal the location of Natalee Holloway’s remains for $250,000. The maximum sentence on the extortion count is 20 years in prison.

The complaint also charges van der Sloot with wire fraud for causing the $15,000 to be transferred by wire from a Birmingham bank to a bank in the Netherlands in furtherance of his scheme to defraud. The maximum sentence for the wire fraud count is 30 years.

Vance thanked Aruban authorities for the assistance they provided in this investigation.
 
Members of the public are reminded that the criminal complaint contains only charges. A defendant is presumed not guilty.

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He will not be transferred, I can almost guarantee it.

Heartbreaking

It's not about sex.
It's about the need for him to get a high and these type of sickos will get highs in killing.



*Feb Paulus van der Sloot died suddenly
* March Joran was crying to Jaap and told him Natalee fell off a balcony
* Pennsylvania couple snokeling take a photo of human remains on sea floor.
* 4-6-10 Joran in Lorenzo van accident in Aruba.
* Joran was out in Aruba socializing
* May 10, 2010 - Joran tried to extort $250,000 from Beth in exchange for information
about Natalee's death and he rec'd $15,000.00 down payment.
* May 26 - Joran told a girl he was in another country and that he had sold that Thai bar thing of his and had another business & working.
* Some of Joran's friends were in Aruba in COLUMBIA
* Joran goes to COLUMBIA and then travels into Peru for the poker tournament May 14
* Joran pays for 2 weeks hotel in advance and tells the desk he does not want any maid service.
* May 30 - Two weeks later he met Stephany Flores Ramirez and then murdered her.

I think Jaap just called him "X"

Thanks Anna.

So the 2nd was definitely in the NL also?  Not Kalpoes or the vds home then....

One of his friends there......I checked his friend Kirk, he just got to Thailand today, but I don't know if he has a house in NL...

Or John Ludwick?  (sp?)

OH!  Maybe Patrick's??

Thanks for the reminder.

Janet

Natalee is so wrapped around Stephany's case; the anniversary, the extortion, even his poker logo. When he is in court facing these charges, Natalee's case is there too. We will see a legal resolution to what happened to Natalee. He will be held accountable.

Aruba, in the end, could not stop it. Light is more powerful than darkness and eternal justice will not be thwarted! THANK GOD!!!

I thought I heard the two homes raided were in the NL, not Aruba, and at the request of the FBI.  We know one was Jaap but I wonder whose the other could be and what evidence they were looking for,

Hope your husband gets well soon & it is nothing too serious, prayers will be said.

i was wondering that too.
maybe another house of jaap?
he suddenly got very rich after "de gouden kooi"

maybe the othe home is that of his grandma's
he hid there before

I think both searches were in Holland.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/Joranpants.jpg)

   I am beginning to wonder if Joran knew that he was on borrowed time and everything was going to come crashing down, so he decided to re-create Natalee's death with poor Stephany.

I heard a commercial for a "special" Greta is doing tomorrow, Saturday, on this.  I sure hope she has her facts in better order if she is doing a special.

Hey NR,
That's what I think he used on Natalee. insert sad emicon


Anyone remember that photo of pvds with his zipper down?

I think I read this morning that it is the person that owns the lie detector equipment.

Jaap won more then a million euros and a villa.
guess thats why he and Joran became friends

totally premeditated

That's a good thought!

You're welcome Jen :)

Looks like he won't be able to wiggle out this time!  But such a same another innocent is gone & her family has to suffer because Aruba wouldn't do anything.

Absolutely!

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/06/04/for-van-der-sloot-the-end.html
For Van Der Sloot, the End
Why do young murder suspects act like reality-TV stars rather than murder suspects?
(http://www.newsweek.com/content/newsweek/2010/06/04/for-van-der-sloot-the-end/_jcr_content/body/mainimage.img.jpg/1275661363683.jpg) Aliosha Marquez / AP (left); AP (2)
Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, left, is now suspected to have killed both Stephany Flores Ramirez, center, and Natalee Holloway.

If there are rules of behavior for people suspected of heinous crimes, no one told Joran van der Sloot. The 22-year-old Dutchman was arrested Thursday in Chile in connection with the murder of a girl in Peru. But he’d been drawing plenty of attention to himself even before that: he was arrested and released twice in connection with the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway while she was on a school trip to Aruba. A failure by authorities to find the body may have kept him from being convicted, but it didn’t keep his mouth shut: van der Sloot, the last person to be seen with Holloway, has told various stories about that night, and he was even caught by hidden camera confessing to having dumped her at sea. So the last thing van der Sloot should have had in his Peru hotel is the corpse of another young woman. But that is exactly what police in Lima, Peru, say they found on June 1—the bloodied body of 22-year-old Stephany Flores Ramirez, the daughter of a former race-car driver and local businessman. Afterward, van der Sloot slipped into Chile, which is where he was busted.

The mystery, though, isn’t about whether he committed these crimes—circumstantial evidence notwithstanding, it’s conceivable he could be innocent, and a jury never found him guilty. The mystery is why kids like van der Sloot act like a perp at every turn, despite being tracked by the limelight everywhere they go. During the five years since Holloway’s disappearance—eerily on the same date of Ramirez’s murder—van der Sloot has reveled in sick infamy as the prime suspect in an unsolved mystery. Shouldn’t he have kept his head down?
He’s not alone. Stories like van der Sloot’s are increasingly common among the current post-teen generation that grew up on reality television and virtual realism. Think of suspected child-killer Casey Anthony and the study-abroad student-murderer Amanda Knox, for instance. Kids in big trouble share the same sense of life without consequences—and an obvious loss of their moral compass—when it comes to the gravity of the accusations against them. It’s as if they’ve been conditioned to believe that life can simply be reset like a video game if things start to go bad. Or maybe that fame—even infamy—is so intoxicating that they just want more.

Florida resident Casey Anthony was 22 when her 2-year-old daughter, Caylee, went missing. Like van der Sloot, Casey told authorities multiple versions of the events surrounding her daughter’s disappearance. She first blamed a woman she claimed was her babysitter, though the two had never met (she admitted that she took her name out of the phone book). Her conflicting stories were compounded by her strangely pretentious behavior before she was an official suspect. Not only had she waited a month to report her toddler’s disappearance, she spent that month partying with friends. Even after she became a suspect in the case, in which she maintains her innocence, she was photographed living it up at Orlando nightclubs. When Caylee’s decaying body was finally found with the skull wrapped in duct tape, Casey was arrested for first-degree murder and is currently awaiting trial. Only then did she seem to understand the magnitude of the allegations against her.
Certainly no one is more famous as an irreverent celebrity suspect than Seattle native Amanda Knox, who is serving a 26-year sentence for the sexual assault and murder of her British roommate, Meredith Kercher, in Perugia, Italy. In the early days of the Kercher murder investigation, Knox and her former boyfriend, Raffaele Sollecito, acted absurdly. Knox, with no apparent grasp of the seriousness of a murder investigation, performed cartwheels for the cops in the police station waiting room. The two suspects admitted to being high before talking to police, as Sollecito said, “to take the edge off.” They told investigators multiple stories and lies, including Knox’s naming her Congolese nightclub boss as the real assassin. For added flavor, she even described Kercher’s screams to investigators. During her 11-month trial, she behaved like a beauty queen on the runway, making what jurors later called a mockery of the court by her blatant disrespect of the Italian legal system. In the final days of her trial, when things were looking grim, she started to act demure. By then it was too late.

For his part, van der Sloot’s escapades are well chronicled, particularly by the Dutch tabloids. He has posed nude for an online porn site, and European broadcasters have complained that he often demands payment for his television appearances—especially when he confesses—about the Holloway case. During a recent trip to Thailand he hinted that he wouldn’t mind getting into the business of sex trafficking and even joked that he’d sold Holloway as a sex slave. He was in Lima to take part in an international poker tournament known for its drug climate.

His friends in Holland and Aruba say his reputation is one of arrogance and self-entitlement. When Peter R. de Vries, one of Holland’s toughest crime reporters (picture the male Greta Van Susteren) questioned him on a television program about Holloway’s murder, his response was to throw a glass of wine in the journalist’s face the moment the show ended. “This says something about Joran,” de Vries said after the broadcast. “He doesn’t have complete control over his behavior.”

With Anthony and Knox, their actions greatly affected how people—and, inevitably, juries—perceived their guilt. A judge on Anthony’s case was removed for corresponding with a blogger who had chronicled the details of Caylee’s murder. And Knox’s prosecutors in Perugia admitted to scouting for juicy details about her on blogs, where they hoped people would post salacious information they could use to their advantage. The court of public opinion can still reach into the court of law. New York lawyer Joseph Tacopina, who consulted Knox’s defense and represented van der Sloot in the Holloway case in Aruba, maintains that both are victims of bad press, but admits the prejudice is largely fed by their own actions. “In both instances, the sensationalism far outweighed the facts of the cases,” he told NEWSWEEK.
Van der Sloot’s troubles must feel like a recurring nightmare by now. He had walked away from the Holloway incident scot free, despite a mound of circumstantial evidence and his own multiple confessions. His father was an influential judge in Aruba, which may have helped him stay out of jail. But his father died last year, and he was arrested Thursday on an international warrant. Tacopina, who has not heard from van der Sloot, says that even if he is implicated in the Lima case, that does not “create” evidence in Aruba. Fair enough, but van der Sloot has probably also realized that, after acting like a reality-TV star rather than a murder suspect in Aruba, the show is finally over.

and I still say out of spite

In that case X shouldn't be that hard to find for some of the experts here

From Jaap's weblog:

-X denies everything
-The mother of X is a witness that X was home with her that night.
-The family had a different car at the time.
-The house does not match the description of Joran.
-The balcony and balustrade are constructed in such a way that the fall of Natalee which Joran describes is hardly possible.
-The description of Bubali lake does not match Joran's statement.
-A behavioral expert concludes the story is not true.

Doing a little better than this morning.  I had to call an ambulance to take him to the emergency room.  He is getting LOTS of breathing treatments.  I had to come home and wash cloths so I can go back tomorrow. 

I was just so sick to read the weapon was a bat.  He really did plan this based on Natalee.  Poor Stephany.  Bless Beth, Dave and Stephany's family.  My heart is hurting for all of them.

both homes are in the netherlands, one of jaap and probably the second of his grandma

priceless!

I know. My mind is there also; with Beth and Natalee's family. I'm praying that the time passed will soften the blow a little.

Well that would definitely make sense.  Interesting that it's US authorities doing both these raids.

Planning to charge him in the US for Murder maybe?

**Question - since the extortion and wire fraud crimes were committed before the murder of Stephany, could the US have first grab at him?  Are the FBI moving so fast to be able to include a murder charge if/when they get him onto US soil?

I kind of hope he pleas a deal with U.S. & Peru to reveal Natalee's remains and serve his time in the U.S. At least he will be in prison for life.

What was the timeframe of Val talking about this? I'd don't remember this and I'd like to go back and read.

Me too, because no one else is making the issue she is about the FBI - not one reporter is backing her up on her inquisition.    I dont think she means to hurt or offend the Holloways by asking her questions but Im mystified as to why she wants to put out there that the FBI fell short in making an arrest sooner when what the story actually is about a serial killer captured after striking again with two families grieving immeasurably (IMHO).

BLUEMOON! I hope your hubby recovers quickly and I'll keep you both in my prayers! {{HUGS}}

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7645.1440

Post by Agraria

http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/dutch-police-raids-home-joran-interviewer

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Thanks JE.

Well then that "X" would be Andre dos Santos, right? I think that's what we determined when the whole balcony baloney came out.

I just wanna point out that OUR FBI IS/HAS BEEN INVOLVED People doubted it as I recall.

How about his granny?

Good guess

I hope, but if I were betting, I don't think he'll ever tell it exactly the way it really happened. No matter what story he tells, I'd have to read the news that Natalee's remains are recovered and are where he said they were to believe it.

who can tell why he murdered the girls?
maybe he has a tiny thingy and the girls laughed when they saw it.
it is known that he has a severe problem with anger and that he has an anti social disorder.
who is to tell what goes on in  a creeps mind

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/jug_twitty_more_aggressive_aru.html
Jug Twitty: More aggressive Aruban probe of Joran van der Sloot might have kept Peruvian woman safe
June 4, 2010

(http://media.al.com/birmingham-news/photo/beth-holloway-twitty-and-jug-twitty-ebb9e1ed5b4944f4_medium.jpg) Beth Holloway Twitty and Jug Twitty, mother and stepfather of Natalee Holloway are shown while searching for her in Aruba after the teen disappeared while vacationing in 2005. (The Birmingham News/Steve Barnett)

The death of a young Peruvian woman could have been prevented if Aruban authorities had made a stronger case against Joran van der Sloot in Natalee Holloway's disappearance, Holloway's stepfather, Jug Twitty, said today.

He made his comments as van der Sloot was being delivered to Peruvian police for questioning in Stephany Flores' death five years to the day after Holloway went missing in Aruba. Flores, 21, was found dead in van der Sloot's hotel room Tuesday.

"He's a monster, he's a sick individual," Twitty said. "He should have been taken off the streets a long time ago."

Twitty said he and Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty, hoped van der Sloot might reveal new information while under questioning in Peru. He was flown from Chile and was to be handed over to Peruvian police this afternoon.

Van der Sloot has also been charged with extortion in Alabama in connection with the Holloway case. Twitty said he wasn't directly involved in that case and he could not comment on Beth Twitty's role in it.

Aruban authorities said they were helping Birmingham investigators on the extortion case. Police in the Netherlands raided two homes hunting for evidence linked to the extortion charges. They seized computers, cell phones and data-storage devices in the raid, said national prosecutor's office spokesman Wim de Bruin.

Is it possible X is one of Joran's friends from Aruba, that for the Netherlands
shortly after Natalee 'disappeared.  There was a guy whose Mother alibied him...forget his name.

O/T for BlueMoon -

If they decide they want to put him on a ventilator question them long and hard about the chances of him going into septic shock, ask for a pulmonologist if one hasn't already been called in, and ask if they know anything about ARDS - acute respiratory distress syndrome.

Not to alarm you, just lessons learned.  My prayers of course are with you and Mr. Blue Moon.

Thanks girl.  He is feeling better.  I am the one who needs rest now but can't do that--clothes have to be washed.

I'm thinking Guido or Andre - I always get those 2 confused.

What Joran has to look forward to for the next 25-35 years

 http://video.yahoo.com/watch/7601717/20170154

 
 http://video.yahoo.com/watch/7601761/20170227

 
 http://video.yahoo.com/watch/7601787/20170446

 

Thanks Kermie, he will be o.k.   I have tried to keep us all day using my Blackberry, not easy though.

Oh, thanks-I jumped the gun on that. lol

Blue Moon
I hope your hubby continues to feel better and please know ya'll are in my thoughts and prayers.  I hope you can get some rest.  

I believe I heard it was "various places" where JVS stayed...in regards to the extortion case.  Not 100% on that though.

Guilty.
I was one that b*tched and moaned about them letting us down and how they should've done more.
It's a plate of crow I'm happy to eat.

Thank you for all you do too, Kermit.  And your trusty cohorts, I know they're out there.  :)

I disagree.  I think he planned this entire murder.  He let the world know exactly how he killed Natalee from beginning to the end (casino, drugged, murder and the weapon he used).  In his sick mind he thought he was going to get away with it.  But this time he picked the wrong country and the wrong family.  He picked a father who has as much influence as his own father.  JMO.

There are just some people I would walk a mile outta my way to keep from embarrassing...you are one of those people...<insert wink and kiss>

Dutchman Joran van der Sloot is now in custody of National Police of Peru (Video)

http://www.tvo-peru.com/2010/06/holandes-joran-van-der-sloot-ya-esta-en-custodia-de-policia-nacional-del-peru/

Guido's fam. defended him vigorously, gave notice to back off or look at being sued and hired acclaimed lawyer Mr. Sponge. 

Northern Rose, you have been so on top of the new releases.  Thank you!

Thank you.  So Beth told Peter that she did not pay Joran squat.  Put that in your pipe and smoke it Glenda.

Yep.  That's the one I was thinking of.  He was the blackjack dealer right?

I have never doubted they were involved.  Thank goodness for them!

San, I agree completely with all of your thoughts.  I just wonder at the difference in the sexual assault vs no sexual assault.

I've also been thinking about the Hotel.............remember Joran and Co used to get a room at the Marriott (and one other hotel, can't remember which) to party in?  And Deepak even admitted in one of his statements to ALE that they have taken tourist girl(s) back to those hotel rooms.

I wonder if they took Natalee to one that night....

OH HELL....THAT"S NASTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have never heard this before.

What about Guido.

Thanks NR!  I notice Interpol was there.  I find that interesting.

Thank YOU for all you do. The little cohorts are an amazing group.

I remember the part about her being in their bathtub.  Wasn't there some sort of photo or something circulating?

Yep Yep I agree.

Oh yes, Wingnut...we discussed it here many times!

I love it!

Can you make one that says "I think I just shit myself"?

I think Val put it on one of his social pages, IIRC?  Waaaaaayyy back.  I want to say it was June or July 2005?

me too...I will have to see it from someone other than NG.....earlier I heard a racket (I assumed tennis racket)

Maybe he stayed with Martin Bakx?

That would make sense with my theory of the disposal night (the next night).  Remember Guido's quad was seized from his parents' house, after he had already fled to the NL?  Since hearing what we did from Kyle, I have suspected it was Guido on his quad that dragged the cage to the water with the boat waiting.

Couldn't even begin to guess at what connection he could have to the extortion/wire fraud charges though...

Then there was the Myspace friend, I think it was of Vals friend.  The two girls, I think they were twins had a photo on their site that was a bloody body in a bathtub with a comment about Natalee.  It was early in the case before we knew to screen cap and or save stuff.

Joran defrauded (I don't think extorted is the right word here) Martin Bakx - about 6000 Euros or dollars.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6082.msg988970#msg988970

I remember him, Rob.  That was when Joran was in NL........but I thought Martin was in another country?

It was briefly on Val's myspace or facebook.  Taken down rather quickly.

Bingo! I can see the pic in my "mind's eye" but couldn't remember where it came from! Whew..... thank you, Klaas! That's the kind of thing that can stay on my mind until I figure it out! No surprise you could place it immediately!

LOL, whazzup with the pants fallin' down ?
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Yesterday, I was looking in from work and I must say that I felt very sad that this girl, Stephany Flores Ramirez had to endure what she did. I came home and cried. Oh, I wanted Joran arrested as must as anyone, but not for another crime like this. He is off the streets and he will not be a danger to any girls again as long as he lives.
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I am also happy to see that Robots is smoking the cigar and that Terry D is still on his bicycle. Waving hello if you are reading this. You know who is missing and I hope that she is still around to have seen this is Tylergal. So many more have dropped in and it was just nice is all. 

When he lived in Aruba he didn't need a hotel room he has his own apartment.  Also in Aruba it was all a game to them at the time until something bad happened. He never intended to sexually assault Stephany because he had a point to prove.

Also regarding the bat.  He didn't need to travel with a bat.  I'm sure he bought one at a store or even gave a kid a few bucks for his bat.

Old man was in NL.  Joran was in Thailand.

Yes, it a pix of a girl slumped over in a bathtub with blood?. It was on val's "myspace"-like page.
Also, remember the short video that was made of a girl that looked like Natalee on a raft naked in the ocean and IIRC the guy looked like jurin. Ev

umm, I *thought* Martin WAS in Holland - that's where he lives.

He was the guy that had a picture of Joran hanging on his wall... and that started a long running joke here @ SM.

and Joran kept promising the old man he would come and live with him.

Dutchman Joran van der Sloot is transported by land Arequipa and Lima arrives Saturday

(Photos courtesy of Tacna Radio One) The early Saturday just arrived in Lima citizen Joran van der Sloot Netherlands (23) expelled from Chile for alleged perpetrator of the murder of the young Stephany Flores, 21, daughter of well-known Ricardo Flores.

The alien is transported in a police car, police said. According to information, the alleged murderer is transferred to the capital under heavy security. The police contingent was made up of four patrolmen.

As reported by the head of the Territorial Police Directorate in Tacna, Colonel James Ordinola, approximately fifty police received Joran Van der Sloot in Tacna, on the border with Chile.

The accused is expected to reach the capital in the early hours of morning. According to Colonel PNP Malaver Manuel Huaman, head of Interpol Peru, the citizens Netherlands will be transferred to the detention of Dirincri, just step Lima.

Since his departure from Santa Rosa border post, the vehicle carrying it stood up and did not make any stops on the various streets of the town of the Heroic City.

The entry of Tacna, police vehicles fully fueled, joined the tour that goes on the Panamerican Highway North.
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As reported by the head of the Territorial Police Directorate in Tacna, Colonel James Ordinola, approximately fifty police received Joran Van der Sloot in Tacna, on the border with Chile.

http://www.periodismoenlinea.com/201006056865/Ultima-Hora/Holandes-Joran-van-der-Sloot-es-trasladado-a-Lima-por-tierra-y-llega-el-sabado.html

This guy
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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2249.msg292808#msg292808
Posted by "Maria"     
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #686 10/14 -
« Reply #879 on: October 21, 2007, 03:19:07 PM »


What bothers me the most is Pauluus that night was looking up drugs and alcohol.  And then Joran's website is taken down.Then there was the report that the youngest son posted something to the effect of a girl dead in the bath tub. Just food for thought - if she wasn't in the ocean why is Jossy doing his own search of the ocean?  Just pondering valid questions here now.  My thought is if she was in the ocean it wasn't the first places she was buried.  How about the furniture truck also that was at the PVS site.  Was that to get rid of a body and to replace furniture?  Same as the concrete.  And I remember somewhere maybe on Monday or Tuesday Pauluus doing some gardening.  Really planting flowers or burying a body? (Snip)

lol - right can.

Probably not this house that was searched, but it's in Holland and he knows Joran and was a victim.

Martin and Joran all snuggled up, drinking hot tea and rubbing each others feet.

Some how I still see Joran doing that - but in prison, minus the tea.

Oh I had forgotten all about that dude.

I'm wondering about that too.

It is a very common practice on the island, even to this day.  

Wasn't there talk of a room at the Holiday Inn iirc being "remodeled" shortly after Natalee disappeared?

Tacna, Peru (AP) - Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, accused of the murder of a young Peruvian, and prior involvement in the disappearance of an American student in Aruba, was delivered on Friday by the authorities in Chile to Peru in police the border.

Van der Sloot, 22, arrived in the Chilean city of Arica on a plane from Santiago, after seven hours of flight, and was then taken in a van to the border with Peru, where he was handed over to Peruvian Interpol agents.

The young, big and tall, was handcuffed and wearing the same clothes he was arrested the day before. Interpol agents put a bulletproof vest and taken to the Special Commissioner Concord, attached to the border checkpoint Santa Rosa in the Tacna region, which was reviewed by forensic pathologists.

The chief of staff Javier Velásquez told reporters Friday night that Van der Sloot was transported by ground by agents of Interpol from Tacna to Lima on a trip that will last all night. Tacna is located 990 kilometers southeast of Lima.

"In the early hours of tomorrow (Saturday) this subject will be delivered to the disposal of the judicial authorities for trial," Velasquez said.

The Dutchman is the prime suspect of killing a college student blows Stephany Flores, 21, whose body was found in the hotel room in Lima, where Van der Sloot was staying, on Wednesday morning, three days reported after his disappearance.

The Dutchman was located and held in Santiago on Tuesday after the Peruvian authorities alerted that had crossed the border into Chile on Monday.

Van der Sloot was also the main accused in the disappearance of American student Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005, but released for lack of evidence.

Deputy Chief of Public Affairs of Chile Fernando Ovalle said this morning that the Police Department received on Thursday, a couple of hours before midnight, a decree to expel the Netherlands.

Van der Sloot was discovered by the IDPs on Thursday while returning by taxi from the resort of Vina del Mar to Santiago, about 40 miles northwest of Santiago.

Ovalle told the press that the Netherlands made statements to the police in fluent Spanish in which "obviously denies any involvement they may have in fact against him in Lima."

Upon the death of Flores, "he says to have known and which would eventually be transferred to a casino."

According to security camera images and at least two witnesses, Van der Sloot was the last person that Flores was seen alive, police said.

A hotel employee of TAC in the district of Miraflores, where the Dutchman was staying, told police he saw the couple enter the room of Van der Sloot early Sunday May 30, where the body was found three flowers days later.

She died of a broken neck vertebra and had multiple bruises and abrasions on the body, according to detectives Peruvians.

"My daughter has endured, there has been violence, resistance to being raped and there's been murdered," said Friday the girl's father, businessman and racer Ricardo Flores, in an interview with The Associated Press.

President Alan Garcia declared that Van der Sloot "has to face the murder that has occurred here and if justice is found responsible for this murder will have to serve his sentence here."

In a criminal complaint filed in federal court in Alabama, Holloway's home state, Van der Sloot was accused of having promised to describe the circumstances of the death of Holloway in exchange for money.

http://espanol.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/100605/latinoamerica/ams_gen_chile_peru_holandes?

Stephanie Croes

I am seriously hoping that ARUBA takes a nasty hit from international press (ANYTHING negative at this point) for NOT doing what they should have from day 1.  If they would've investigated properly and kept their crooked butts on the straight and narrow, that island wouldn't be looking so bad as it has for the past 5 years... HOPE IT WAS WORTH IT, ARUBA....

I wonder if that island feels a bit of remorse for the pain they helped cause?  Doubt it.  Sadly.  Of course, OMO

Actually Rob, this guy was a great thought of yours.  Remember he wired money to Joran.  Could be that FBI seized Martin's computer to be able to compare account #'s - the one Martin wired to, and the one the 15k was wired to.  Much quicker and easier than getting an international warrant for Martin's bank records.

Think he'll have to do a lot of "foot rubbing" to stay alive in Peru!
I want to see him alive and suffering, for a long, long time!

ohhh, wait, I think I see what happened, jen is thinking of Maartin - the Thailand pedo

Mmmmm I vaguely remember something about a remodeling.  But the Marriott really strikes a chord with me.  Remember there were pics of them partying there plastered all over the web.  Could explain why Purcell was so instantly and horribly nasty on the internet.

I think so!  LOL, is THAT the guy who wired money to Joran?

Made more work for Purcell.  Wasn't he the maintainence man?

Scratch that.  The martin I'm thinking of is the one in the NL.  I was just bass ackward on who was in which country at the time.

Joran Van der Sloot llegará a Lima a primeras horas de este sábado
Así lo confirmó el jefe del Gabinete, Javier Velásquez Quesquén tras detallar que el ciudadano holandés es trasladado por vía terrestre y custodiado por la Policía Nacional.

Cabinet chief, Javier Velásquez Quesquén confirmed that Joran Van der Sloot, Netherlands citizen accused of murdering the young Stephany Flores, come to Lima in the early hours of Saturday, RPP reported.

Velásquez Quesquén referred also to the citizen Dutchman is transported by land guarded by the Police and explained that could not be used to move aircraft from Tacna to Lima, as these are used to carry persons who participate in the fortieth Assembly General of the Organization of American States, to be held in the capital.

'(The planes) are scheduled for the organization of the OAS, is very difficult and can be a danger that we can bring it through on a commercial flight and therefore it was decided that the file is transferred by road with all the security and in the early morning hours this subject will be delivered to the disposal of the judicial authorities for trial, "he said.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-04-joran-van-der-sloot-llegara-a-lima-a-primeras-horas-de-este-sabado-noticia_270048.html

LOL - I think he did have a lower level job there, I just don't remember what it was.

It seems he is going straight to trial?  No beauty sleep for him.

660 mile drive

Good!  Two full days of travelling to meet his end.  Lots and lots of time to think about what's in store for him.

No, he won't be sleeping soundly now - as the SOB told Eem he did the night Natalee died.

NorthernRose - thank you for all you bring!

Recent updates....same exact day Natalee was born.

Van Der Sloot is transported to Arequipa (video)
The alleged murderer of Stephany Flores is taken in the middle of a police convoy. It is unknown whether by plane will arrive in Lima.

Can someone please translate the video? Is that his awaiting reception?

http://peru21.pe/noticia/489873/van-der-sloot-trasladado-arequipa

Catching up --- I have ALWAYS thought our FBI was doing more than many believed! Thanks, Kermit!!

<insert hugging monkey>

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ANITA WORST MOTHER OF THE YEAR

Hello to my fellow Monkeys, past, present and future!

The Set Time Has Come

At Last!

We always have said that he would do it AGAIN, and that he would not elude Justice when he did. It has played out like we all felt it would so many days, weeks, months ago. What a long and circuitous route we all
have traveled, following this case and hoping that SOMEDAY we would see this. I had to smile last night when I tried to get on here and the board had crashed... just like back in the "good old days".

When we first started this effort.

So long it has been, so many things we all have gone through. A lot of changes for all us, specifically because OF this case. The efforts the Monkeys have carried out the last 5 years to find missing young people here in America, spurred on by the search for Natalee and for the truth about what happened to her.

5 long years it has taken, but Joran's hubris and arrogance finally caught up with him. It strikes me that we all have had a lot of events in our lives, yet we have remained the same in dedication to this cause... just like Joran has had many events take place in his life... but he is still basically the same murderous punk he was 5 years ago.

I look forward to the coming days as we come together again in reunion and remembrance... and in CELEBRATION! How fun this will be to watch!   

Can't help but wonder how she is feeling.  Is she planning on traveling to Peru?
She has been very quiet.

I also wonder if Mr. Merryweather is planning a protest against Stephany's family in Peru.

I think at least of the decade.  I like Carpe's version of this pic, lol

Mark Fuhrman is in Peru and will be on Greta.

20/20's ON NOW!

Good to see you SB even without the avatars (or smilies)

They covered Joran in the lead in, but that story is later...something else first.

Are you feeling better?  ((((hugs))))

mountain climbers on my 20/20

Hi Klaasend, did you have to disable them due to traffic?

I can't wait to see my CC's Monkey with the magnifying glass looking for clues again...

Ain't this GREAT!!!!

when this case started, someone brought up a case about St Croix. Seems to guys got murdered on a golf course. Two tourists. American tourists.

That was the end of St Croix.

And Aruba didn't learn from that incident.

And today - five years later - they have lost billions, their reputation is worse that anywhere in the Caribbean, and they would do it all over again, that's how stupid they are down there.

St. Croix looks like DisneyLand compared to Aruba.

In fact, Fallujah looks like Disneyland compared to Aruba.

Love it when someone / some place does all the wrong things and the misery just rolls in day after day - for eternity.

Alleged murderer of young Peruvian arrive in Lima in early morning
   

Lima, June. 04 (ANDINA). The Dutchman Joran Van Der Sloot, the alleged murderer of the young Peruvian Stephany Flores is being moved by road and arrive in Lima in early hours of the morning, said this afternoon the Cabinet chief, Javier Velásquez Quesquén.

He said that has been transported under tight security and will be placed in the hands of justice for their respective process.

"A few hours was placed on the border with Chile at the disposal of the Peruvian authorities, we were unable to assign an aircraft of the Armed Forces because they are programmed for the organization of the OAS General Assembly and decided to move by land," said .

He added that it would be dangerous to bring on a commercial flight, so you are traveling with all the security of the case and arrive early hours of morning to be delivered to the appropriate authorities.

He said that if it proves to be the true responsible of that crime will be severely punished.

Van Der Sloot is required for allegedly killing the Peruvian Stephany Flores (21), whose body was found dead in a hotel in Miraflores.

Also been linked to the death of another young woman in Aruba five years ago, whose body was never found.

http://www.andina.com.pe/Espanol/Noticia.aspx?Id=TnOIsLF5l3o=

LOL-that rediculous Mr. Merryweather.  I wondered what he was doing/saying today;
I also wonder just how many years Joran's parents have known he was an atom bomb & menace to society.  What was he like at the age of four-ten-12, etc???

welcome back man!

Thanks NR.  That is music to my ears!!

Tuning in to all my SM brother and sisters....

Watching Greta and will comment more.....

Does anyone know if the MySpace account of Joran's is really his?!?

Judiciary extended for seven days Dutchman arrest for murder by Peruvian Stephany Flores

Lima (Peru.com) .- The Judiciary extended up to seven days of the arrest warrant issued preliminary national citizen against Dutchman Joran Van Der Sloot, chief suspect in the murder of the young Stephany Flores Ramirez (21).
 
The Criminal Court of turn adopted this measure to accommodate a request by the prosecutor Nilfo Espinoza Sotomayor, who is in charge of the research done on this case.
 
The head of the Criminal Prosecution Lima 45 called for the extension of this limited extent, so that agents can interrogate Homicide Division overseas.

The justice also during this period will be carried out other interrogation to clarify these facts.

http://www.peru.com/noticias/portada20100604/100506/Poder-Judicial-amplia-por-siete-dias-mas-detencion-contra-holandes-por-asesinato-de-la-peruana-Stephany-Flores

Thanks can, and everyone else for the well wishes.  I had a really bad night last night, but I haven't thrown up for several hours now and actually had a good nap this afternoon.  I'm hoping I'm about over it.  It's been awful!

JULIA RENFRO, MAY THESE IMAGES HAUNT YOU THE REST OF YOUR MISERABLE LIFE.

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ROB... how sweet it is!

Yes, all disabled do to traffic!

since she fell on her pannekoeken while pregnant with Joran while iceskating??

< shrugs >

Joran Van Der Sloot Luck is nothing but Karma in workloads, - cause and effect.
April 2 at 7:06am

Joran Van Der Sloot We are all living on borrowed time
April 3 at 10:40am

Joran Van Der Sloot The best revenge is massive success
April 8 at 11:13am

Joran Van Der Sloot Im sorry for all the pain I caused you.. love you mom
April 10 at 2:02pm

So when's 20/20 getting to the case? I'm suffering through these Westboro Baptist Maniacs. I want them all dead, too.

Unfortunately, I have said that from the beginning of Natalie's case. He was just too non nonchalant in the whole thing. I have always felt like this was not the first time  this had happened and I also felt his father was part of it.

Has there been any discussion yet of exactly how and what Peru will do to prosecute a murder case? I assume they have a death penalty. I also can safely assume they have a functioning and efficient legal system UNLIKE ARUBA LOL which will follow evidentiary and due process rules that we might just find to be recognizably like our own legal system.

I know that South America is sort of a standing joke regarding governments and laws, etc., but Peru seems to be one of the better organized countries in that region.

It's also gratifying that whereas Joran was a HERO and an untouchable icon in Aruba, he is on the opposite end in this case... the ultimate villain, at the bottom of the food chain, accused of killing a popular and prominent young lady.

Heh, heh, heh.

Exclusive interview of Roberto Blades who recognized Joran in Casino (video - please can someone translate this?)


http://www.iblups.tv/v?v=srTSmCJRlK

BBM -

1. he sure F'd that one up. LOL

2. nope, just you idjet.

3. you know alot about revenge huh Joran.

4. empty, hollow, and the hits just keep coming. So much for all that charity work - lol

When they came to our town the citizens of the town, the motorcycle clubs, the Scouts, the mothers and grandmother and the off duty police blocked all the entrances to the funeral and to the graveyard and escorted the funeral procession 3 miles. They left the area and did not get to do anything. The second time there were pictures in the paper about the first funeral and the 500+ people who showed up to stop them and they didn't even bother to come after saying they would .There were over 1000 there the second time.

Sorry 'bout the off topic post here, but I wanted everyone to know there is a way to STOP these morons.

Hi sb (waving)

About the death penalty in Peru:
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/peru-and-death-penalty-could-joran-van-der-sloot-be-executed-2624602.html
Peru and the Death Penalty: Could Joran Van Der Sloot Be Executed
June 3, 2010
Does Peru Have the Death Penalty?

Now that Joran Van Der Sloot has been captured in Chile and facing charges for a crime committed in Peru, many are wondering if he could receive the death penalty if convicted for the murder of Stephany Tatiana Flores Ramirez.

Peru is one of nine countries in the world that does have the death penalty, but only for crimes 'committed in exceptional circumstances'. This means crimes that are committed in times of war or genocide or crimes under military law. Murder is considered an 'ordinary crime' and so if Joran Van Der Sloot is found guilty of killing Stephany Flores it is not likely that he will face the death penalty as part of his punishment.

In early 2007, President Alan Garcia wanted to introduce the death penalty for terrorists convicted in Peru, but the bill was rejected. At the time a poll determined that over 70% of Peru's citizens favored capital punishment, but if the country expanded the death penalty it would mean breaching the American Convention of Human Rights. Peru has signed this agreement.

Bo Dietl said he should have never left Aruba after May 10.  Joran contacted someone and said his father died and wanted to let someone know about Natalee.  He made statements that he pushed Natalee down and she hit her head and his father helped him.

Texasmom -

You probably don't know this, but Magnolia has been giving me knitting lessons.  I'm working on my own pair of socks, like this:

(http://knitlet.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/08/05/sg_socks_done_02.jpg)


But, when I first heard you weren't feeling well, I got to work and made you a washcloth (I'm just a student, you know!)

This is for you with my get well wishes!

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The FBI video taped the extortion.

Maybe Kermit can get you a goat from Greenland.  Buck is doing great and we have lots of wool.

Your knitting is lovely Lifesong!

This episode of 20/20 is hardly worth watching. I could have been watching the Golden Girls all this time...what a waste.

I'm watching it, San! Greta said she contacted the Attorney General in Aruba and was told that Aruba advised the US that Joran was leaving Aruba.

However, Bo also said that Joran's surveillance in Aruba lost him.

???????

She KNEW all along..............she KNEW he was evil, as was his father and did nothing. I blame her more than even them because she allowed those girls and others(I believe) to be murdered.

She took him to shrinks for brutally beating a dog to death as a kid and God only knows what else he did we don't even know as a kid. I am just glad they don't have a crazy penalty in Peru - you either did the crime and get the time or you didn't.

He did the crime, and I can't think of a better place to spend his time.

They were letting him lead them to more evidence.

He is ready to break and tell what he did to Natalee.

Rubén Blades recognized Joran Van der Sloot in Atlantic City casino
The Panamanian singer could identify the Dutchman abroad because they heard the case of the murder of Natalee Holloway in Aruba.

The famous Panamanian singer Ruben Blades saw the alleged murderer of Sptehanny Flores, Dutchman Van der Sloot in the Atlantic City casino in Miraflores, hours before he allegedly committed the crime.

Blades TV recounted in Peru that recognized abroad because they saw on the news of the murder case of Natalee Holloway in Aruba.

The singer added that the Dutchman was talking with a friend so vulgar about "looking for girls", a goal that failed to realize, as revealed.

"I knew the reputation of this man over the death of the girl in Aruba, and I told the security that he was a murderer, but they continued as if nothing," he added.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-04-ruben-blades-reconocio-a-joran-van-der-sloot-en-casino-atlantic-city-noticia_270056.html

Finally..after the commercial break.

Bernie Grimm said when you make video tape cases they rip the guy right there in the room.  He said they let the guy get out of the country.

Jim Hammer is hoping that they were trying to get more information.  He is hoping the FBI didn't drop the ball.

Ted Williams is horrified and the FBI dropped the ball.

Ted and Jim Hammer are disagreeing.  Ted said get him talking in the United States.

Bernie said the jury is out on the FBI.  Greta seems to think it's the FBI's fault.

They could have indicted him here in the U.S. and extradite him from Aruba.

Thanks CBB.  I couldn't keep up.  I'm getting slow in my old age...lol

Nope...it's the 11-year-old bullfighter. Honestly, the Golden Girls are still more relevant than 20/20, and that is not an exaggeration.

I'll keep that in mind, it's not on until later here. 

Alleged murderer Joran Van Der Sloot is now in Arequipa
.
The citizen Joran Van Der Sloot Netherlands, alleged murderer of Stephany Flores, came to the White City in the middle of a convoy of police vehicles.

According to the chief of staff, Javier Velásquez Quesquén confirmed that Joran Van der Sloot will come to Lima in the early hours of Saturday.
He reported that the citizen Dutchman is transported by land guarded by the Police and explained that could not be used to move aircraft from Tacna to Lima, as these are used to carry persons who participate in the General Assembly of the fortieth Organization of American States, to be held in the capital.

It should be noted that the alleged murderer of the young Stephany Flores will be conducted later to Ica Lima before reaching its final destination. In the White City will change custody

http://www.terra.com.pe/noticias/noticias/act2361269/presunto-asesino-joran-van-der-sloot-esta-arequipa.html

Oh Anita is probably putting on a good sad front for her friends, but I hope late at night when she's all alone that she thinks about what she's done.  She knew.  All along she knew, too bad she didn't love her son enough to make him pay for what he'd done.  Instead she blamed the victim and her family, and she had a host of miscreant friends to help her try to cloud the TRUTH.  And now another young beautiful girl is dead, and no telling how many others have been hurt along the way.  Her hands will never be clean no matter how hard she tries.  She can't take it back.

I have nothing but disgust for her.

Mr. John Merryweather has his own hell to live with too.  If he has any sense at all he'll stay where he's safe in Aruba, keep his big mouth shut this time, and take what they all have coming!  I hope his pension fund tanks too, lol.  

JMO

What's a  "pannekoeken"??

Thanks, Mags!  They call that learning at the feet of the master!

Get it....socks...feet... lol.  Yeah, sorry about that!  :)

No, THANK YOU!! I'm going to have to watch it again in rerun. I think there's more to come on this aspect of the story.

You are doing great!  I thought our FBI had no authority or jurisdiction on Aruba.

Unfortunately, he would love federal prisons here in the U.S. He is exactly where he needs to be after murdering a Peruvian citizen. People there will not put up with his BS. It can be a very brutal country. Peruvian people are big on justice regardless of the courts.

I agree.  I think he did break and he told us what he did to Natalee by doing it a 2nd time. 

next on 20/20

Two raids on two homes of associates of JVS with all cell phones and computers seized. This will get ugly for more than just him I believe.

I suppose Greta hasn't aired there either........ you can watch Greta's coverage before the other starts! I'm looking forward to your take on it, Klaas.

Oh you know Magnolia they changed the law on May 10th.  Remember what Arlene Ellis (horseface) shipper said.  You don't understand our laws. ;)

Exactly.

Wow ...

CBB & SAN-

I thought Bernie's response to Greta regarding the amount of time Joran would have done in the US for the extortion/fraud charge was a significant point - he related six years since it seems it's relational to the amount of $$$ involved as well.

Six years is not a long time.........I have to wonder if the FBI was pondering how to strengthen the case further......

FYI, Klass: the 20/20 report on Joran finally aired at :50 after the hour...so don't waste your time with the rest of it.

Greta is irritating me.  I find it hard to believe this all falls on the FBI's lap.  I have to believe Aruba told the FBI "no worries , we'll keep an eye on Joran".

Found it interesting that Mark Furman didn't mention anything about a BAT. 

I still say that Aruban authorities alerted Joran that he had been taped and told him to beat feet off
the island.  They didn't want all of this brought back to light on their piece of property.

Stephany's father said on 20/20 that the lord has chosen my daughter as a means for this man to pay for his crime.

I agree Magnolia.  Since when do we trust the Aruban authorities.

Did I hear correctly that they gave him $10,000 cash and wired another $15,000 thousand for a total of $25,000 down payment on the information?

Holloway keeps close eye on news
Joran van der Sloot held in Peru killing
By Brian Livingston / blivingston@themeridianstar.com
The Meridian Star

MERIDIAN — Dave Holloway has learned to take a wait and see stance whenever it comes to any new information pertaining to the disappearance of his daughter, Natalee, or the man he is convinced killed her.

Thursday Holloway was keeping a close eye on developments regarding the search and subsequent arrest by Chilean authorities of Joran van der Sloot who was wanted in connection with the death of 21-year-old Stephany Flores, found dead Sunday in a hotel room in Lima, Peru. Joran van der Sloot, 22, was in Peru for a poker tournament and according to reports, is seen in a Lima casino video with Flores.

"I'm watching these developments as they continue to unfold," said Holloway from his Meridian home. "I'm confident the Peruvian authorities won't bungle up this investigation like it was when Natalee became missing. The authorities in Peru were well connected to Natalee's case and I seriously doubt they will make the same mistakes as did the officials in Aruba."

This recent killing happened exactly five years after the May 30, 2005, disappearance of Holloway during a high school trip in Aruba, a Dutch Caribbean island where van der Sloot's late father was a prominent judge.

Prosecutors there said van der Sloot is still their main suspect in the case even though he was never charged.

Holloway said he is 100 percent sure van der Sloot is responsible for his daughter's death and added van der Sloot's conviction in this latest incident would be some measure of vindication and justice for his daughter.

"I think he may be finally stopped," Holloway said of van der Sloot. "I'm convinced he killed Natalee and even though he probably won't be convicted of her death, at least he will be in prison for a long time, in a tough prison system such as those in Peru."

Having been in the same situation as the Flores family, Holloway extended his condolences.

"I hope the family can overcome this tragedy in their lives," Holloway said.

The mystery of Holloway's disappearance garnered wide attention on television and in newspapers in Europe and the United States.

http://meridianstar.com/local/x1910025858/Holloway-keeps-close-eye-on-news

I agree;  OMG-That is horrible about his dog-how old was he?

They just showed Scared Monkeys name on the google search results in the 20/20 piece

LOL :)

ONO - if I'm remembering correctly Joran was in his early teens 13 or 14?

But haven't we all seen how you must always get Aruba's permission for everything?  Did Aruba stall on a technicality???  Their laws, you know.

Stephany's father said his daughter was a hero who stopped an assassin.

That is what I heard.....
$10K cash and $15K wired.....

I agree ...

Well did we think that BFN was going to come on on Google.

Chris Cuomo.....too little, too late....jmho...

Yeah, technically Aruba had to tip him off and get him off the island.
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Klaas - can you repost the facebook postings to Joran's page from 5/14 by Anita and Renho?

I thought that was odd too...maybe the authorities don't want everything out to the public? or there was no bat?

OMG-that is serious vicious crapola.  He was a danger to everyone.  A time bomb ... that is so horrible.

History teaches me that when all is said and done, Aruba has, is, and will protect Joran. IMO, they feel compelled to at this point, because of all they did in the cover-up. His mud is their mud now. They don't want what they did to come to light either. Makes sense to me that they tipped him off.

Thanks Lifesong, it's beautiful!  It looks like the work of a pro, Magnolia is an awesome teacher!  

(((hugs)))

Yeah give me a minute to get them.

Edited to add:  I don't know if I can find them right now but I'll try.  Last time I checked the search feature wasn't working and I don't think I have it as a screen cap.

Police resumed the transfer of Dutchman Joran van der Sloot from Arequipa to Lima (new video - looks like they let him get out and go pee)


The alleged murderer of the young Stephany Flores will be taken to Ica before reaching the capital, its final destination. In the White City was changed custody

At 8:52 pm the police party responsible for initiating the transfer of Dutchman Joran van der Sloot (23) from Tacna, bound for Lima, arrived in Arequipa.

The alleged murderer of the young Stephany Flores (21), was taken down from the 4 × 4 truck approached from Tacna in the parking lot of Police Headquarters Road - Arequipa, located in the same crossing of the South American variant of Uchumayo giving access to the White City.

Van der Sloot was wearing a bulletproof vest and entered the police station referred guarded by members of the Territorial Sur PNP led by General Felix Murga.

From there, five patrol (three of the Highway Patrol and two of Arequipa SUAT) began at 9:40 pm the custody of the Dutchman's trip to Ica, while Tacna units began their journey of return. Van der Sloot in a car traveling the Highway Patrol.

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/489877/joran-van-der-sloot-llego-custodiado-cuatro-patrulleros-arequipa

I just love that man-I think he's a hero.  She had a wonderful family.

KARMA'S A B*TCH JULIA, AND SHE'S GOT YOUR NUMBER...AND YOUR MOMMA'S TOO!

I think we are only getting pieces of the true story at this point.  I noticed Fuhrman didn't mention the bat as well.. hmm...  Well according to this blog that I just read Joran was NOT entered in the poker tournament!   He was just attending it to watch it. 

There has to be more behind his leaving Aruba and ending up in Lima than we know.  Perhaps his family cut the ties and with the heat on from the FBI he fled.  Anyway, here's the story from a guy from San Fran that went down to report on the tournament:

So I arrived in Lima Peru for my moonlighting job as a poker journalist covering the Latin American Poker Tour (LAPT). The minute I got off the plane I heard on the news that Joran Van der Sloot, the suspect in the Natalee Holloway case was involved in the slaying of 21 year-old Stephany Flores of Lima.

The two met at the Atlantic City Casino--where the LAPT was being held--and were captured together on security video. This was mere hours before I headed to the casino.

I asked the guy in charge of LAPT registration if Van der Sloot was registered as a player in the tournament. He said there was no record--Van der Sloot was merely a "railbird" as they say in poker slang--standing elbow-to-elbow with the other spectators.



Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/hleon/detail?entry_id=65053#ixzz0pwdyMfXH

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/hleon/detail?entry_id=65053

Businessman and driver Ricardo Flores was surprised by the statements of Dutchman, who claimed to be innocent of the crime of his daughter

http://www.americatv.com.pe/

Hard to get through to post tonight... ah, the joys of a Crowded Cage again...

I hate to hear that about the death penalty but honestly, he will get the Max and that will likely not be "survivable" LOL. He might wish for solitary but that won't happen.

How is it that Joran was continuing to be tracked by the FBI? I was uinder the impression that he was just under private (and sporadic) surveillance.

He has been doing a LOT of bad things over the last 5 years. Thailand is a red flag of MASSIVE proportions, that is a center of porno and the sexual slavery trade. The fact that he wound up there absolutely SCREAMS out his involvement in major illicit activity that basically started w/ Natalee and has gone on in an UNBROKEN stream to this day. The Thailand connection is big like Rob has been pointing out.

And he probably has hurt and killed more girls than just the 2 we know about.

The procession moved the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot made this evening a brief stop in Arequipa to change vehicles

http://www.americatv.com.pe/

He was registered to play in something at the Atlantic City Casion.
I heard the brother of Stephany on CBS this morning telling that was how
they found out who he was.  The Atlantic City gave them his name and
passport number after he was identified on video. 
The Atlantic City also had the name of the hotel where he was staying
and that is how they found Stephany.

Buckle up-it's gonna be a bumpy ride.

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Greta

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4227973/the-cases-against-joran-van-der-sloot

Hi, sb....yes, we all have been challenged getting in here....myself, included. 

BUMP

No link on this, but interesting.

The video of the funeral procession at the cemetery is so sad.  This is just awful.

Thanks to all for the links & updates.

Hi Monkeys,
I am so sad, today I went to my facebook and one of my friends is Stephany' cousin and they are asking justice for her an Nataly. I see that more people know about nataly's case ...yo can tell they are so angry

The last couple of days seem so surreal! While many here actually predicted this ultimate path by the psychopathic Joran -- I think this is truly beyond comprehension. I whole heartedly agree that Joran played this all out to "re-create" how he killed Natalee. The actual timing just solidifies that (the exact 5 year anniversiary, the baseball bat, etc.). Aruba made their bed..... and now they will to live with it FOREVER. This was all so unnecessary.

Looks like he is checking in at the airport to see if the airline lost his 'luggage.'

Hope is alive

Joran is toast  burned charcoal TOAST 

The slugs in aruba that assisted with the cover up are next

BATTER UP

Joran is only the beginning

Hope is alive

Joran is toast  burned charcoal TOAST 

The slugs in aruba that assisted with the cover up are next

BATTER UP

Joran is only the beginning

ooops, how and why did they double post happen

sowwwwwy

(can someone please bring the image over)

Last image appears Stephany Ramirez Flores entering Miraflores hotel TAC Dutchman accused of killing her

Lima (Peru.com) .- A local news released a security video, where last seen the young Stephany Flores Ramirez (21) entering the hotel next to the Miraflores TAC Dutchman Joran van der Sloot.
 
According to '24 Hours', in the images he sees van der Sloot at the entrance of the hotel where the receptionist greeted by Abad Adelai Marchena. There, the alien asks whether received messages during the day.
 
What is striking is that behind him, something that the camera barely grasp, is the victim. After verifying that everything is in order, the Dutchman get the keys and goes to her room.
 
In that view is seen for the last time Flores Ramirez, who entered the room behind van der Sloot. Hours after the suspect left and the receptionist was very who found the body.
 
The body of the daughter of businessman Ricardo Flores was found face up and with multiple strokes. At his side, the TV was on. After recovering from the fright, Marchena Abad called the police.
 
It is noted that Abad Marchena was questioned Friday by the Homicide Division, to clarify the facts.

http://www.peru.com/noticias/lima20100604/100512/Aparece-ultima-imagen-de-Stephany-Flores-Ramirez-entrando-a-hotel-TAC-de-Miraflores-con-holandes-acusado-de-matarla