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Title: SANDRA CANTU, 8, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1 3/28/09-4/09/09
Post by: klaasend on March 28, 2009, 06:35:55 PM
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Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: klaasend on March 28, 2009, 06:37:04 PM
http://www.kcra.com/news/19035621/detail.html

KCRA.com
Tracy Police Seek Missing Girl
Sandra Cantu, 8, Last Seen On Friday

POSTED: 9:07 am PDT March 28, 2009
UPDATED: 11:29 am PDT March 28, 2009


TRACY, Calif. -- Police are asking the public for help finding a missing 8-year-old girl.

Sandra Cantu was last seen at 4 p.m. Friday in Tracy, police said. She was supposed to be at a friend's house at a mobile home park in Tracy but was not located there.

Cantu is 4 feet tall, weighs 45 pounds and has brown hair and brown eyes. She was wearing a pink Hello Kitty T-shirt and black leggings.

The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children is assisting in the investigation.

Stay with KCRA and KCRA.com for the latest developments.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: klaasend on March 28, 2009, 06:39:09 PM
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17659/2268/

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Search for missing girl in Tracy   
Written by TP staff     
Saturday, 28 March 2009 
 


The Tracy Police Department has set up a mobile command post on West Clover Road as a helicopter searches the area for an 8-year-old girl who has been missing since Friday afternoon.

Sandra Cantu was last seen at 4 p.m. Friday, and the official search began at 8:15 p.m., police said. She was supposed to be at a friend's house in the Orchard Estates mobile home park, where she lives, but she wasn't found there.

Police have searched all night. The FBI, California Highway Patrol, San Joaquin Sheriff's Office, Stanislaus County Sheriff's Office, Tracy Volunteers in Police Services, Tracy Community Emergency Response Team, Tracy Fire Department and National Center for Missing and Exploited Children are helping in the investigation.

Sandra is described as 4 feet tall and 85 pounds with brown hair and brown eyes. She was wearing a pink Hello Kitty T-shirt and black leggings.

Anyone with information that would be helpful in the investigation is asked to call the Tracy police at 831-4550 or the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children at 1-800-843-5678.

 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: klaasend on March 28, 2009, 06:42:16 PM
http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=56978&catid=2

Tracy Police Search for Missing 8-Year-Old Girl
Posted By: Lesha Ruffin     1 hr ago

TRACY, CA - Tracy Police Department officers were searching for an 8-year-old girl Saturday missing from her home in a Tracy mobile home park since Friday afternoon.

Sandra Cantu was last seen at the Orchard Estates mobile home park around 4:00 p.m. Friday.

After returning home from school, Sandra left to go to a friend's home inside the same mobile home park around 3 p.m., Tracy police Sgt. Tony Scheneman said. Scheneman said Sandra left the friend's home and was last seen outside her own home around 4 p.m.

Scheneman had no information about who saw the girl or whether family members saw Sandra after she came home from her friend's home. Sandra lives with her mother and grandparents.

The girl's mother called police around 8 p.m.

"We have no indication that an abduction has occurred and it is our hope that (TV) viewers will see Sandra and immediately notify the police department and get her on her way home," Scheneman said.

"It's definitely out of character for her to be gone this long," Sandra's uncle Joe Chavez said. "She always calls and checks in. She's not allowed to leave the mobile home park. She never goes out."

The FBI and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children were called in Saturday to assist in the search. After canvassing area parks and schools overnight, authorities were contacting all the park's residents Saturday to uncover more information, Scheneman said.

Sandra Cantu was described as 4 feet tall, 45 pounds with brown eyes and hair. She was last seen wearing a pink Hello Kitty t-shirt and black leggings.

"She's a very friendly girl and I just pray she's ok. If she's out there, we just want her to come home," Sandra's aunt Angie Chavez said.

If you have any further information about Cantu's whereabouts please contact the Tracy Police Department general number at 831-4550 or Det. Tim Bauer at 321-4461.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: klaasend on March 28, 2009, 07:11:24 PM
Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park
812 W. Clover Road
Tracy, CA  95376


Sex Offenders within 2 miles

http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/search_main.aspx?searchtype=zipcode&lang=ENGLISH


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Within 3/4 mile (upper left blue dot on map above)


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Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: klaasend on March 28, 2009, 08:17:46 PM
In the comment section:
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17659/2268/

written by Roadtrippin , March 28, 2009
An amber alert has not been initiated becuase, unfortunatley, this case has not met the criteria for an amber alert to be issued. There has to be a description of the suspect(s), and/or vehicle description. As more information is obtained an amber alert will assuredly be posted as the FBI are currently involved in the case. Tracy is a town that pulls together in difficult situations and protects our own, as evidenced yesterday by the crowds of people at various intersections of our Tracy streets lining the funeral procession of Sgt. Dunakin in support. We now have the duty to pull together once again. This time to help a mother whose grieving the loss of her 8 year old daughter. Anyone who is available to help in these, most urgent first few days, please come to the Command Center set up at the Micro Tell Hotel at Tracy Boulevard and Clover Road near Highway 205. Tracy is an earth of its own, every individual bringing something unique and special to us, a loss of one girl may not matter as much in a big city, but Tracy is a whole and we are united through it all.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 28, 2009, 08:19:10 PM
Thank you Klaas.
Needless to say, I am very concerned.

Am I correct, there is her home in this mobile home park, and she actually lives in a different one?  


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: klaasend on March 28, 2009, 08:27:51 PM
Thank you Klaas.
Needless to say, I am very concerned.

Am I correct, there is her home in this mobile home park, and she actually lives in a different one?  

That I'm not sure about.  She was supposed to be at a friends house in the mobile home park but I got the impession the family home and friends home were both in the same park.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 28, 2009, 10:50:19 PM
I remember a case from last year that is ringing in my ears right now. Hser Moo http://www.abc4.com/news/local/story/Man-charged-with-murder-of-Hser-Ner-Moo-body/bvzsNWe3yE6XLf16atCxdA.cspx

That and Jessica Lunsford are screaming in my ear right now. The non-amber alert is not about having a description of a vehicle, that's ludicrous.





Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 28, 2009, 11:23:18 PM
http://www.foxreno.com/news/19037015/detail.html
TRACY, Calif. -- Police are looking for a missing 8-year-old girl in the largest missing person search Tracy has seen in at least a decade.

The FBI has also been involved in the search which started at 8:15 p.m. Friday night, four hours after the little girl was last seen in the mobile home park where she lives.

Sandra Cantu, a second grader from Jacobsen Elementary, was last seen around 4 p.m. Friday afternoon after leaving her neighbor's house in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park.

“We saw her yesterday at our house,” said neighbor Nahum Diaz. “She was playing with my 5-year-old sister. Then she left, she told her she had to go do her homework, and I didn't see her anymore.”

Saturday, family and more than 50 volunteers walked door to door handing out fliers with the girl's picture while police searched nearby schools and parks. FBI agents also began stopping every car entering or leaving the complex and searching trunks. Police are concerned about the neighborhood's proximity to Interstate 580. It's less than half a mile from the freeway entrance.

“It's just a long time for an 8-year-old to be gone,” said Tracy Police Sgt. Tony Sheneman. “We're very concerned about that.

Sandra's cousin says the little girl lived with her mother and grandparents and that the father has never been in the child's life and may be living in Mexico.

“She's got a fiery personality,” said her cousin, Janet Anderson. “She is very -- and this is what scares me -- she's very friendly. She just loves everybody and is very trusting.”

Candice Vega says just two weeks ago she warned her little cousin about being safe.

“I told her, ‘Gosh, you're so pretty and cute and little’. I said, ‘you know you're not supposed to talk to strangers, right?’ She said ‘yeah’. I said, ‘because there's a lot of bad people who like to take pretty, little girls like you’. She said, ‘Do you know anyone who's been kidnapped?’ I said, ‘No, but I see it on TV all the time’."

She describes Sandra as a happy girl who was close with her family and wasnt the type to run off.

The family told KTVU about an incident at the mobile home park pool two years ago, when a middle aged male resident came up to the then 6-year-old and kissed her on the mouth.

Police say they've searched several homes in the mobile home park and have no persons of interest and no evidence of an abduction.

“She's an awesome sister,” said her sister Simone Chavez. “She's always happy. She's always doing carwheels. And I want her to come back home, you know?”

Sandra Cantu has light brown hair, brown eyes, is 4 feet tall and weighs 45 lbs. She was last seen wearing a Hello Kitty t-shirt, a striped dress and black leggings.

Anyone with information is asked to call the National Center For Missing And Exploited Children at 1-800-the-lost or Tracy police at 209-831-4550.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2009, 12:34:37 AM
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17660/2268/

Missing 27 hours   
Written by TP staff     
Saturday, 28 March 2009 

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 An FBI agent questions a driver on West Clover Road about the missing girl. Glenn Moore/Tracy PressToday's search for missing Sandra Cantu, a Jacobson Elementary School second-grader, hasn't let up, 26 hours after she was last seen at her home in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park. 

Police, FBI question drivers and check trunks of cars going in and out of mobile home park, in search of missing girl.

"We're turning over everything we can," Sgt. Tony Sheneman said during a 5 p.m. press conference. "We'll keep going until we find out she's safe."

Investigators set up a checkpoint late this afternoon on Clover Road near the entrance to Orchard Estates, where they stopped every car going in or out.

Eight--year-old Sandra, daughter of Maria Chavez and Danny Cantu, was last seen after she returned home from a friend's house, shortly after 3:30 p.m. Friday.


Friends and family plan a "vigil of hope" at 8 p.m. today near the entrance to the mobile home park, 812 W Clover Road.

Sheneman said there are no indications that the girl has been harmed. Registered sexual offenders who live in the area have been interviewed, and surveillance cameras at the nearby hotels show nothing suspicious.

Danny Cantu, Sandra's father, is believed to be in Mexico, and Sheneman said he isn't considered a kidnapping suspect.

"The mother said he hasn't been involved in the family for a long time," he said. 

Sandra is 4 feet tall and weighs 45 pounds with brown hair and brown eyes. She was wearing a pink Hello Kitty T-shirt and black leggings. She was reported missing at 7:53 p.m. Friday, and a search was started 15 minutes later.

Joining Tracy police are investigators from the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, California Highway Patrol helicopters, San Joaquin Sheriff's Office, Stanislaus County Sheriff's bloodhounds, FBI, Tracy Volunteers in Police Services and the Tracy Community Emergency Response Team.

Anyone who has information that would be helpful in finding Sandra is asked to call the police department at 831-4550 or the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children at 1-800-843-5678. 

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Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 29, 2009, 11:50:17 AM
Can anyone local please keep us up to date.

There is no Amber Alert because she apparently never left the park. Again I say, Hser Moo all over again. She was found in the apartment of a family friend ALL UNREGISTERED on the lease and Illegal aliens. Point is, no way to track that information. And again, like other cases we know about, residents of that apartment were not home when it was canvassed, when they finally were, she was found deceased, within a few hours of her disappearance.

There are two seperate comments in the above article Klaas posted that are of major interest to me:

You have a cousin warning her that she is pretty and strangers will be attracted to her, etc.. (para)

AND
 
You have an alleged incident of an elderly man kissing her on the mouth at the pool when she was six years old.

I commend Tracy LE for calling in the FBI immediately.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 29, 2009, 12:09:30 PM
Can anyone local please keep us up to date.

There is no Amber Alert because she apparently never left the park. Again I say, Hser Moo all over again. She was found in the apartment of a family friend ALL UNREGISTERED on the lease and Illegal aliens. Point is, no way to track that information. And again, like other cases we know about, residents of that apartment were not home when it was canvassed, when they finally were, she was found deceased, within a few hours of her disappearance.

There are two seperate comments in the above article Klaas posted that are of major interest to me:

You have a cousin warning her that she is pretty and strangers will be attracted to her, etc.. (para)

AND
 
You have an alleged incident of an elderly man kissing her on the mouth at the pool when she was six years old.

I commend Tracy LE for calling in the FBI immediately.
Those two comments just jumped out at me also, prayers that little Sandra comes home safe.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2009, 12:53:25 PM
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090329/A_NEWS/903290310

Police, volunteers search for girl
8-year-old last seen at Tracy mobile home park



By Christian Burkin
March 29, 2009
Record Staff Writer

TRACY - A video camera mounted on Sandra Cantu's mobile home filmed the girl running down the street to play.

The 8-year-old girl hasn't been seen since.

She also wasn't seen leaving Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, whose entrance at 812 W. Clover Road also is monitored by security camera, said Sandra's cousin, Janet Anderson.

"It's going on 24 hours and it's getting really scary," Anderson said Saturday afternoon.

Sandra, a second-grader at Tracy's Jacobson School, went to play with some friends in the neighborhood sometime Friday afternoon. They weren't home, so she went skipping off somewhere else, but she wouldn't have wandered far on her own, said her uncle, Joe Chavez.

"She never goes out of the park," he said. "She's not allowed and she always obeys."

A few hours later, Sandra's family reported her missing to the Tracy Police Department, initiating a massive search effort that drew local, state and federal law enforcement agencies as well as volunteers from the community.

"It seems like everybody in town is just pouring out to help," Chavez said.

The Tracy Police Department set up a command post at a motel near the mobile home park. Volunteers, in green vests, clustered under a nearby shelter.

One of those volunteers was Rebecca Hullar, whose daughter was one of the last people to see Sandra before her disappearance. Hullar's daughter told her Sandra said she was going to run away, which she wanted to believe, but didn't.

"It made my hopes higher that she's out there," she said. "But no."

Anyone with information about Sandra Cantu's whereabouts is asked to call the Tracy Police Department at (209) 831-4550 or the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children at 1-800-843-5678.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 29, 2009, 01:06:29 PM
NEW BLINK POST: Missing Child Sandra Cantu from Tracy, Ca   FBI On Scene

http://blinkoncrime.com/wp-admin/post.php?action=edit&post=773&_wp_original_http_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fblinkoncrime.com%2Fwp-admin%2Fedit.php&message=1

Particularly disturbing is the families recount of an incident that occurred at the swimming pool two years ago when Sandra was six. They stated that an elderly man, whom they did not name, walked up to Sandra at the pool and kissed the little girl on the mouth.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 29, 2009, 01:21:25 PM
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090329/A_NEWS/903290310

Police, volunteers search for girl
8-year-old last seen at Tracy mobile home park



By Christian Burkin
March 29, 2009
Record Staff Writer

TRACY - A video camera mounted on Sandra Cantu's mobile home filmed the girl running down the street to play.

The 8-year-old girl hasn't been seen since.

She also wasn't seen leaving Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, whose entrance at 812 W. Clover Road also is monitored by security camera, said Sandra's cousin, Janet Anderson.

"It's going on 24 hours and it's getting really scary," Anderson said Saturday afternoon.

Sandra, a second-grader at Tracy's Jacobson School, went to play with some friends in the neighborhood sometime Friday afternoon. They weren't home, so she went skipping off somewhere else, but she wouldn't have wandered far on her own, said her uncle, Joe Chavez.

"She never goes out of the park," he said. "She's not allowed and she always obeys."

A few hours later, Sandra's family reported her missing to the Tracy Police Department, initiating a massive search effort that drew local, state and federal law enforcement agencies as well as volunteers from the community.

"It seems like everybody in town is just pouring out to help," Chavez said.

The Tracy Police Department set up a command post at a motel near the mobile home park. Volunteers, in green vests, clustered under a nearby shelter.

One of those volunteers was Rebecca Hullar, whose daughter was one of the last people to see Sandra before her disappearance. Hullar's daughter told her Sandra said she was going to run away, which she wanted to believe, but didn't.

"It made my hopes higher that she's out there," she said. "But no."

Anyone with information about Sandra Cantu's whereabouts is asked to call the Tracy Police Department at (209) 831-4550 or the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children at 1-800-843-5678.



KLAAS, thanks, I just included that link in my article as well.
I gotta be honest. Maybe nothing, but my hinky meter that the last people to see her, and a comment that she was planning to run away, she goes home and leaves again.. You see where  I am going here. I wonder if the man connected to the pool incident is related to the Hullar's in any way. An 8 year old telling a 5 year old she is going to run away, she stayed briefly, did something happen at the house?

My questions:
1) Who has not answered their door or allowed LE to search their home in the park? Who was not home Fri and Sat but now is?
2) Who did LE find in those properties that are adults, SO's or did not produce ID?
3) Do the vehicles there match the registrants? Do the plates and VINS match?
4) Who has relatives that are SO's? Recent parollees, any recent crimes in the park?
5) Was the pool incident reported and checked out?
6) Was there anyone in Sandra's home when she returned from the neighbors and left again? I am going to assume not as she was not reported missing until 8PM. What's with that? That really bothers me that noone has contact with an 8 year old child since after school and it's 8 PM before they know she's missing?
7) Neighbors been questioned as to who has recently moved in or been evicted?
8) Confirmation that Sandra had homework
9) Have the older siblings (if there are) been questioned.
10) Any DCF history?
11) Has anything of hers been found in the area? Anything of hers missing from the home?
12) Who else was she known to play off or speak to.
13) Why was her family obviously concerned over her safety or "socialness"?

Thats my short list at the moment.  This is one of those cases I already hate- hate.   


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 29, 2009, 01:25:51 PM
NEW BLINK POST: Missing Child Sandra Cantu from Tracy, Ca   FBI On Scene

http://blinkoncrime.com/wp-admin/post.php?action=edit&post=773&_wp_original_http_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fblinkoncrime.com%2Fwp-admin%2Fedit.php&message=1

Particularly disturbing is the families recount of an incident that occurred at the swimming pool two years ago when Sandra was six. They stated that an elderly man, whom they did not name, walked up to Sandra at the pool and kissed the little girl on the mouth.


Thanks, Blink, I just don't feel good about this, she is such a beautiful child. I'm wondering if this elderly man still lives there?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 29, 2009, 01:33:03 PM
NEW BLINK POST: Missing Child Sandra Cantu from Tracy, Ca   FBI On Scene

http://blinkoncrime.com/wp-admin/post.php?action=edit&post=773&_wp_original_http_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fblinkoncrime.com%2Fwp-admin%2Fedit.php&message=1

Particularly disturbing is the families recount of an incident that occurred at the swimming pool two years ago when Sandra was six. They stated that an elderly man, whom they did not name, walked up to Sandra at the pool and kissed the little girl on the mouth.


Thanks, Blink, I just don't feel good about this, she is such a beautiful child. I'm wondering if this elderly man still lives there?

I dont either Rose, I posted my questions as well. I am repeating myself from last night, but this so reminds me of Hser's case, I couldnt bring myself to put it in the article though, lest the family sees it.

 http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=2989692

This case haunted me, again no report to police until much later, no amber alert until the second day, she was dead before they even knew she was missing. I pray that is not the case here, but I fear the answer is in that very park.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 29, 2009, 01:48:56 PM
it is disturbing that there was no amber alert for this little girl! even if there was no auto description in this case...drivers  who might not read the papers or listen to the new would get the info through the amber alert...it is just another valuable tool to get the word out about a missing child......
Hopefully she will be found soon...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 29, 2009, 02:26:59 PM
Real good questions Blink, and I really don't see a 8 year old telling a 5 year old about running away from home, and if she did, why would an 8 year old be saying such a thing? And it bothers me very much that Sandra wasn't reported missing until hours later, I wonder when she gets home from school if there is nobody home, and they return later from work? I can't imagine letting someone that age come home after school and nobody is home, but that's me.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 29, 2009, 02:31:57 PM
Mar 29, 2009 10:31 am US/Pacific
Searchers From 7 Counties Looking For Missing GirlTRACY, Calif. (CBS13) ― 

Volunteers from seven counties are now helping in the search for an 8-year-old Tracy girl who has been missing since Friday afternoon.  Although police continue to say there is no indication that Sandra Cantu was abducted, they are offering a reward for information leading to her safe return.   

Sandra has been missing since about 3 p.m. Friday, according to Tracy Police. She was playing at a friend's house at the Orchard Estates mobile home park located at 812 West Clover Rd. She was last seen returning home from her friend's.

This morning, Tracy police said there are now professionally trained searchers looking for Sandra.  They also say they are following several leads in the case.

Detectives say Sandra has never run away before, and always lets her mother know where she is going and when she will be coming home.  Police say Sandra's father is enroute to Tracy from Southern California.

Sandra is 4' tall, weighs 45 pounds, and has brown hair and eyes. She was last seen wearing a pink "Hello Kitty" t-shirt and black leggings. She was reported missing to police at 7:53 p.m.

Anyone with information about the possible whereabouts of Sandra is asked to call the Tracy Police Dept. at 209-831-4550 or call the Center for Missing and Exploited Children at800-843-5678.

http://cbs13.com/breakingnews/girl.missing.tracy.2.970373.html




Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 29, 2009, 02:35:35 PM
Search for missing girl in Tracy     
Written by TP staff     
Saturday, 28 March 2009 
 

Crews fan out all over city today for 8-year-old Sandra Cantu, missing from the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park since Friday afternoon.

http://tracypress.com/content/view/17659/2398/


There are some pics of the search at this link.
 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 29, 2009, 03:07:43 PM
Search for missing girl in Tracy     
Written by TP staff     
Saturday, 28 March 2009 
 

Crews fan out all over city today for 8-year-old Sandra Cantu, missing from the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park since Friday afternoon.

http://tracypress.com/content/view/17659/2398/


There are some pics of the search at this link.
 

Thanks Leroy, I sure hope they are successful today.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 29, 2009, 03:48:43 PM
Family Pleads For Missing Girl's Safe Return

March 29, 2009

TRACY - "If they see her, just call the police department because I want her home." A mother's desperate plea to find her missing daughter. At a candle light vigil outside her home Saturday night, a tearful Maria Chavez begged for 8 year old Sandra Cantu's safe return.

Cantu's grandmother, Dolores Chavez also pleaded with the public, "Would you please, please bring her home to us or take her to a police station or a church."

Tracy Police, the FBI and countless volunteers have launched an all out search. Flyers with Cantu's picture have been distributed throughout the city and posted on store fronts. Cars coming in and out of the Orchard Estates mobile home park where Cantu was last seen were stopped for questioning.

"She wouldn't go with a stranger unless she was forced into the car. She wouldn't leave the trailer park without being forced because she knows better than that," said Cantu's 15 year old brother, Thomas Fortin.

Police say Cantu went to play at a friend's house yesterday afternoon. She returned home, but disappeared a short time later.

"We're concerned for the welfare of the child. We're trying to find a little girl. We're turning over everything we can to find her and make sure she's safe," said Sgt. Tony Sheneman with the Tracy Police Department.


http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_local_headlines/?Family-Pleads-For-Missing-Girls-Safe-Ret=1&blockID=252176&feedID=190



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2009, 05:30:18 PM
Everyone has a different last name ::MonkeyShocked::

Sandra Cantu

Mother:
Maria Chavez

Father:
Danny Cantu (now on his way from Southern Calif)

Brother:
Thomas Fortin (15yrs old)

Sister:
Simone Chavez (age unknown)

Grandmother:
Dolores Chavez

So Chavez appears to be the maternal surname.  Who is FORTIN?  That's what I'd like to know.  Another man in the mothers life.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 29, 2009, 05:32:01 PM
Everyone has a different last name ::MonkeyShocked::

I noticed that too....


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2009, 07:46:39 PM
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17661/2268/

Search continues       
Written by TP staff     
Sunday, 29 March 2009 
 

New photos of Sandra Cantu, the missing girl from Tracy, show her on her eighth birthday.
 


(http://tracypress.com/images/stories/March_2009/sandrabirthday1.jpg)

(http://tracypress.com/images/stories/March_2009/sandrabirthday2.jpg)



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 29, 2009, 07:51:09 PM


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Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 29, 2009, 08:26:08 PM
hope that there is some news and that this little girl is home with her family soon...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 29, 2009, 08:36:26 PM



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I cannot even begin to say how dejected I feel for this child after reading that. It is prophetic, imo.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 29, 2009, 08:37:57 PM
Blink....I felt the same way after I read it....


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2009, 08:54:36 PM
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17661/2268/

Search for Sandra continues   
Written by Cheri Matthews     
Sunday, 29 March 2009 
 

Hundreds of crews and volunteers fan out over the city to find 8-year-old Sandra Cantu.



Not only that, but 230 search-and-rescue professionals from 16 different agencies, on foot and on all-terrain vehicles, with 11 dogs and several equestrian teams, searched the rural area, businesses and neighborhoods from Interstate-205 all the way to 11th Street and Holly Drive to Corral Hollow Road.



By 5 p.m., they hadn't found a sign of the Jacobson Elementary School second-grader who disappeared Friday afternoon from her home on Clover Road, Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman said.

But they weren't giving up.

"The ground search will be suspended at 7 p.m., but we can call them back on a moment's notice," Sheneman said.

Sandra, who lives in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park with her mother, Maria Chavez, two sisters and a brother, reportedly visited a friend who lives nearby after school Friday. She walked home and then went outside again sometime between 3:30 and 4 p.m. Friday.

Her family called police around 8 that night.

At first, there was some talk that Sandra's father, Danny Cantu, had taken her. However, he showed up over the weekend and was questioned by investigators. He was at the house today with the rest of Sandra's family.

"I asked him if he took her," Chavez said. "But he didn't. He's here."

Family spokeswoman Lisa Encarnacion said no one is giving up hope that Sandra will be found.

"Somebody knows something," she said. "We're hoping people will look for her and call with tips. It may be the tip that will lead us to her."

Tracy Crime Stoppers and the FBI have offered a $2,000 reward for information that leads to finding Sandra.

Both Sheneman and Encarnacion said the offers of help from the community have been overwhelming.

"We live in a really great place," Encarnacion said. "This is a community that embraces you."

Sheneman said the police department had so many volunteers, there weren't enough jobs to give them.

He suggests that people keep their eyes open in town and report anything suspicious.

"We want people looking around on their own," he said. "If they see anything out of the ordinary, we want them to call us, and we'll investigate."

Anyone who has information is asked to call the police department at 831-4550. 

Encarnacion said friends and community members have planned a prayer vigil at 8:30 tonight in the parking lot of the Microtel Inn, at 861 W. Clover Road, across from the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park. 

 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 29, 2009, 09:05:59 PM
Blink....I felt the same way after I read it....
Me too, my heart sank.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 29, 2009, 09:10:57 PM
I'm wondering how much supervision this child gets, reminds me of some neighbor kids that were unsupervised and running around early in the morning and late at night. After many complaints to the association by many people that is no longer going on. It sounds like she is a lonely little girl.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 29, 2009, 09:14:09 PM
I'm wondering how much supervision this child gets, reminds me of some neighbor kids that were unsupervised and running around early in the morning and late at night. After many complaints to the association by many people that is no longer going on. It sounds like she is a lonely little girl.

I agree.  I have a real bad feeling about this little girl   ::MonkeyWaa:: 

The family says how she was good about letting them know where she was and what time she would be home.....and they didn't call the cops until 8pm!!!  Is that what time she was supposed to be home?  If so, then why did she leave early??? 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 29, 2009, 09:21:16 PM
I'm wondering how much supervision this child gets, reminds me of some neighbor kids that were unsupervised and running around early in the morning and late at night. After many complaints to the association by many people that is no longer going on. It sounds like she is a lonely little girl.

I agree.  I have a real bad feeling about this little girl   ::MonkeyWaa:: 

The family says how she was good about letting them know where she was and what time she would be home.....and they didn't call the cops until 8pm!!!  Is that what time she was supposed to be home?  If so, then why did she leave early??? 

I agree as well....
it does sound like she is lonely and in need of attention..
My goodness, did no one miss this child at dinner time?  Is 8 pm the first that they noticed that she was not where she was supposed to be? Even if grand daughter is at a neighbors house, I still call or go over there to make sure that she is ok and still welcome to stay...we also call each other when one of the little ones are going home so that we can be outside to meet them...always in eyesight of the child....
8 is too young/little to be out roaming the streets at any time day or night...in my opinion of course...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 29, 2009, 09:22:00 PM
Search For Missing Tracy Girl Continues
theKCRAchannel.com
updated 5:47 p.m. ET, Sun., March. 29, 2009
TRACY, Calif. - Hundreds are involved in a search for a missing 8-year-old Tracy girl.

Police said Sandra Cantu was last seen at 4 p.m. Friday in Tracy. She was supposed to be at a friend's house at a mobile home park in Tracy but was not located there.

Two-hundred trained law enforcement from eight counties including 13 people from FBI and a dive team, along with 100 volunteers, are involved in the search.

The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children is also assisting in the investigation.

Law enforcement said "untrained" volunteers are being asked only to help pass out flyers so that potential evidence is protected.

Cantu is 4 feet tall, weighs 45 pounds and has brown hair and brown eyes. She was wearing a pink Hello Kitty T-shirt and black leggings.

Police said Sandra did communicate with older men who lived in mobile home park.

The Tracy Police Department is asking the public for help. A $1,000 reward is being offered in the case.

Stay with KCRA 3 Reports and KCRA.com for the latest developments.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29929967/


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 29, 2009, 09:22:56 PM
I'm wondering how much supervision this child gets, reminds me of some neighbor kids that were unsupervised and running around early in the morning and late at night. After many complaints to the association by many people that is no longer going on. It sounds like she is a lonely little girl.

I agree.  I have a real bad feeling about this little girl   ::MonkeyWaa:: 

The family says how she was good about letting them know where she was and what time she would be home.....and they didn't call the cops until 8pm!!!  Is that what time she was supposed to be home?  If so, then why did she leave early??? 
This does not make sense to me, I wonder if her mom and grandparents work, and don't come home until later, but what about the other siblings, you would think someone would be watching her, sounds like a latch key kid, I don't even know if they use that term anymore.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 29, 2009, 09:32:56 PM
I'm wondering how much supervision this child gets, reminds me of some neighbor kids that were unsupervised and running around early in the morning and late at night. After many complaints to the association by many people that is no longer going on. It sounds like she is a lonely little girl.

I agree.  I have a real bad feeling about this little girl   ::MonkeyWaa:: 

The family says how she was good about letting them know where she was and what time she would be home.....and they didn't call the cops until 8pm!!!  Is that what time she was supposed to be home?  If so, then why did she leave early??? 

I agree as well....
it does sound like she is lonely and in need of attention..
My goodness, did no one miss this child at dinner time?  Is 8 pm the first that they noticed that she was not where she was supposed to be? Even if grand daughter is at a neighbors house, I still call or go over there to make sure that she is ok and still welcome to stay...we also call each other when one of the little ones are going home so that we can be outside to meet them...always in eyesight of the child....
8 is too young/little to be out roaming the streets at any time day or night...in my opinion of course...

i cant believe that parents still allow children that are so young to be out roaming around....it happens way too much   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 29, 2009, 09:34:41 PM
ONe of the articles said there was going to be a 5pm press conference....anyone know if that happened??

(and now that I asked, i'm not even sure what time it is in CA..lol)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 29, 2009, 09:37:06 PM
ONe of the articles said there was going to be a 5pm press conference....anyone know if that happened??

(and now that I asked, i'm not even sure what time it is in CA..lol)
It's 6:30 but I did not hear anything.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 29, 2009, 09:47:15 PM
ONe of the articles said there was going to be a 5pm press conference....anyone know if that happened??

(and now that I asked, i'm not even sure what time it is in CA..lol)
It's 6:30 but I did not hear anything.

I think this is it...

http://www.news10.net/video/default.aspx?aid=72344


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 29, 2009, 09:52:28 PM
video of todays search

http://www.news10.net/video/default.aspx?aid=72345


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 29, 2009, 10:56:28 PM
O Monkeys.

I wish I had something uplifting to say, I do not. I was so pissed about her I emailed Leonard, as it is more local to him.
Not that I think he is altruistic, but his presence can facilitate chatter and movement.  I just hate this. How does this baby face these things in a normal enviornment. I am SO trying not to go there, but how can't I? My kids are older and I do not let them ride their bikes in our neighborhood without supervision, and LOL, I have checked out everyone here.
(sorry, occupational hazard, true)

She's just a baby. Just a damn baby girl.  I am on overload and about to unleash a way non-productive rant, therefore I am self-imposing a time out for Sandra's case. Let's see how I do.
I am praying for Sandra tonight.
B


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 29, 2009, 11:11:38 PM
O Monkeys.

I wish I had something uplifting to say, I do not. I was so pissed about her I emailed Leonard, as it is more local to him.
Not that I think he is altruistic, but his presence can facilitate chatter and movement.  I just hate this. How does this baby face these things in a normal enviornment. I am SO trying not to go there, but how can't I? My kids are older and I do not let them ride their bikes in our neighborhood without supervision, and LOL, I have checked out everyone here.
(sorry, occupational hazard, true)

She's just a baby. Just a damn baby girl.  I am on overload and about to unleash a way non-productive rant, therefore I am self-imposing a time out for Sandra's case. Let's see how I do.
I am praying for Sandra tonight.
B

I know Blink....I feel the same way.  Good idea about emailing Padilla...I'm not a big fan of his but this needs more attention for sure.  I was reading on a few of the news sites and alot of people have emailed Nancy Grace so I'm hoping Sandra gets some air time on there.

An 8 year just doesn't *run away* like this....especially with all the security cameras, im sure someone would have seen something....IMO.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2009, 12:41:43 AM
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17662/2268/

Candlelight vigil     
Written by Cheri Matthews     
Sunday, 29 March 2009 
 

More than 100 people turned out tonight to pray for missing Sandra Cantu in front of the mobile home park.

(http://tracypress.com/images/stories/March_2009/0329vigil1.jpg)

Mark Correa (left) and his mother, Kelly Correa, hold candles outside the mobile home park. Glenn Moore/Tracy Press






Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 30, 2009, 08:28:49 AM
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17662/2268/
s
Apparently the gpa installed surveillance camera in front of the home two weeks ago his tires were slashed, he surmised this was due to him finding stray cats on his property and taking them to the pound.

Parents questioned by detectives yesterday, Mom was too distraught the day prior.

Gotta say it, if it's true that the Mom was too distraught, that really bugs me. Can you imagine being too distraught to answer det questions to find your child? I can't. I hope to hear LE come out and clear the parents by today, so the focus can shift appropriately.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 30, 2009, 08:57:04 AM

--SNIPPED--

"Somebody here knows who has taken her because it's not a missing anymore. It's an abduction," said Sandra's grandfather Joe Chavez.

But, Tracy police, working with the FBI, are not calling it an abduction. They still say it is still a missing persons case.

"We're bumping up on two solid days. It's a very strong concern of anyone that someone would be missing for that long without any word. But, it doesn't change the fact that we're still working to facilitate her safe return," said Sgt. Tony Sheneman.

They are hoping the surveillance cameras recently installed outside the Cantu's mobile home might provide a clue. The FBI is studying the video which police say captured Sandra Friday evening in front of her house as she was walking away from the park's front entrance.

"Hopefully this turns out to be a godsend, having it up there," said Chavez.
Investigators searched every car that entered and left the mobile home park Sunday. They also searched every home inside the park.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=6734831
________________________________________________________________________________________



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 30, 2009, 08:59:28 AM
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17662/2268/
s
Apparently the gpa installed surveillance camera in front of the home two weeks ago his tires were slashed, he surmised this was due to him finding stray cats on his property and taking them to the pound.

Parents questioned by detectives yesterday, Mom was too distraught the day prior.

Gotta say it, if it's true that the Mom was too distraught, that really bugs me. Can you imagine being too distraught to answer det questions to find your child? I can't. I hope to hear LE come out and clear the parents by today, so the focus can shift appropriately.

I pray i'm never a parent in a situation like this, but you're right...how can you NOT be able to answer crucial questions that may help find your missing child??? 

I think the Mom is feeling partly responsible since she obviously let this little girl wander around by herself for what seems to be long periods of time   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 30, 2009, 09:04:57 AM
http://www.kcra.com/news/19043399/detail.html

Watch this Video on right.

Her father pleads for her return at the vigil.

Witness tells Police a strange looking man was seen in the Park minutes before she went missing.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 30, 2009, 09:15:38 AM
http://www.kcra.com/news/19043399/detail.html

Watch this Video on right.

Her father pleads for her return at the vigil.

Witness tells Police a strange looking man was seen in the Park minutes before she went missing.

okay so this strange man should be on the video from the entrance/exit to the park....hopefully!



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 30, 2009, 09:17:47 AM
GUZMAN  First Name: VICTOR  Middle Name: MANUEL 
 
 THIS SEX OFFENDER HAS BEEN IN VIOLATION OF REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS SINCE 10/07/2008. 



 
 
 Description Offenses Scars/Marks/Tattoos Known Aliases
Last Known Address: 345 HAWTHORN AVE
TRACY, 95376
County: SAN JOAQUIN
Zip Code 95376
Date of Birth: 09-26-1984
Sex: MALE
Height: 5'5"
Weight: 125
Eye Color: BROWN
Hair Color: BLACK
Ethnicity: HISPANIC
 
We have a nearby absconder


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 30, 2009, 09:22:31 AM
GUZMAN  First Name: VICTOR  Middle Name: MANUEL 
 
 THIS SEX OFFENDER HAS BEEN IN VIOLATION OF REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS SINCE 10/07/2008. 



 
 
 Description Offenses Scars/Marks/Tattoos Known Aliases
Last Known Address: 345 HAWTHORN AVE
TRACY, 95376
County: SAN JOAQUIN
Zip Code 95376
Date of Birth: 09-26-1984
Sex: MALE
Height: 5'5"
Weight: 125
Eye Color: BROWN
Hair Color: BLACK
Ethnicity: HISPANIC
 
We have a nearby absconder

 ::MonkeyNoNo::  I hope LE has found and talked to this guy!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 30, 2009, 09:28:20 AM
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17662/2268/
s
Apparently the gpa installed surveillance camera in front of the home two weeks ago his tires were slashed, he surmised this was due to him finding stray cats on his property and taking them to the pound.

Parents questioned by detectives yesterday, Mom was too distraught the day prior.

Gotta say it, if it's true that the Mom was too distraught, that really bugs me. Can you imagine being too distraught to answer det questions to find your child? I can't. I hope to hear LE come out and clear the parents by today, so the focus can shift appropriately.


first thought that came to mind with this sentence....Cindy Anthony on the Greta show soon after Caylee was reported missing.....something like..... Unless If you want to see me collapse right here, I am so exhausted that I can't answer any questions....<<<<not the exact wording but you probably remember when she did that....it was an WTF moment for me....Cindy already knew about Caylee.....
who would not want to answer any and all questions that might lead to where your missing child might be????


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 30, 2009, 09:36:30 AM
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17662/2268/
s
Apparently the gpa installed surveillance camera in front of the home two weeks ago his tires were slashed, he surmised this was due to him finding stray cats on his property and taking them to the pound.

Parents questioned by detectives yesterday, Mom was too distraught the day prior.

Gotta say it, if it's true that the Mom was too distraught, that really bugs me. Can you imagine being too distraught to answer det questions to find your child? I can't. I hope to hear LE come out and clear the parents by today, so the focus can shift appropriately.


first thought that came to mind with this sentence....Cindy Anthony on the Greta show soon after Caylee was reported missing.....something like..... Unless If you want to see me collapse right here, I am so exhausted that I can't answer any questions....<<<<not the exact wording but you probably remember when she did that....it was an WTF moment for me....Cindy already knew about Caylee.....
who would not want to answer any and all questions that might lead to where your missing child might be????

I remember this Cookie!  ITA


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 30, 2009, 09:40:30 AM
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17662/2268/
s
Apparently the gpa installed surveillance camera in front of the home two weeks ago his tires were slashed, he surmised this was due to him finding stray cats on his property and taking them to the pound.

Parents questioned by detectives yesterday, Mom was too distraught the day prior.

Gotta say it, if it's true that the Mom was too distraught, that really bugs me. Can you imagine being too distraught to answer det questions to find your child? I can't. I hope to hear LE come out and clear the parents by today, so the focus can shift appropriately.


first thought that came to mind with this sentence....Cindy Anthony on the Greta show soon after Caylee was reported missing.....something like..... Unless If you want to see me collapse right here, I am so exhausted that I can't answer any questions....<<<<not the exact wording but you probably remember when she did that....it was an WTF moment for me....Cindy already knew about Caylee.....
who would not want to answer any and all questions that might lead to where your missing child might be????


The press is reporting police spoke to and searched every home in the park, which is different than what I read perviously that the nearby homes were searched?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 30, 2009, 09:51:28 AM
Search continues for Tracy girl
8-year-old missing since late Friday afternoon

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090330/A_NEWS/903300323

________________________________________________________________________

--SNIPPED--

Investigators also have been inside every home in the park, Sheneman said.

Sandra's father, who relatives said has not been involved with the family for some time, apparently was en route from Southern California on Sunday but is not a suspect, Sheneman said.


Nothing else really new in this one....


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 30, 2009, 10:06:14 AM
Search continues for Tracy girl
8-year-old missing since late Friday afternoon

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090330/A_NEWS/903300323

________________________________________________________________________

--SNIPPED--

Investigators also have been inside every home in the park, Sheneman said.

Sandra's father, who relatives said has not been involved with the family for some time, apparently was en route from Southern California on Sunday but is not a suspect, Sheneman said.


Nothing else really new in this one....


how can a father/mother NOT be in involved with the family for some time????
this always blows my mind when I hear stuff like this....do fathers/mothers move away and just forget that they have children who might need them or want to see them??
I am betting that this mother did not receive any child support from this father <<<< using term loosely....since he has not been involved for some time... ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 30, 2009, 10:10:47 AM
Did anyone get the first names of the grandparents Chavez?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 30, 2009, 10:13:56 AM
Did anyone get the first names of the grandparents Chavez?

The gpa is Joe Chavez....still looking for gma.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 30, 2009, 10:15:01 AM
Did anyone get the first names of the grandparents Chavez?

The gpa is Joe Chavez....still looking for gma.

gma is Dolores Chavez.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 30, 2009, 10:17:23 AM
Everyone has a different last name ::MonkeyShocked::

Sandra Cantu

Mother:
Maria Chavez

Father:
Danny Cantu (now on his way from Southern Calif)

Brother:
Thomas Fortin (15yrs old)

Sister:
Simone Chavez (age unknown)

Grandmother:
Dolores Chavez

So Chavez appears to be the maternal surname.  Who is FORTIN?  That's what I'd like to know.  Another man in the mothers life.



ADD:

Grandfather
Joe Chavez

and I think there is another sister but have not heard that name/age yet.
Joe Chavez


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 30, 2009, 10:19:07 AM
Everyone has a different last name ::MonkeyShocked::

Sandra Cantu

Mother:
Maria Chavez

Father:
Danny Cantu (now on his way from Southern Calif)

Brother:
Thomas Fortin (15yrs old)

Sister:
Simone Chavez (age unknown)

Grandmother:
Dolores Chavez

So Chavez appears to be the maternal surname.  Who is FORTIN?  That's what I'd like to know.  Another man in the mothers life.



ADD:

Grandfather
Joe Chavez

and I think there is another sister but have not heard that name/age yet.
Joe Chavez

EDIT - dont know why his name was there....wasn't me I swear...lol


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 30, 2009, 10:32:57 AM
Everyone has a different last name ::MonkeyShocked::

Sandra Cantu

Mother:
Maria Chavez

Father:
Danny Cantu (now on his way from Southern Calif)

Brother:
Thomas Fortin (15yrs old)

Sister:
Simone Chavez (age unknown)

Grandmother:
Dolores Chavez

So Chavez appears to be the maternal surname.  Who is FORTIN?  That's what I'd like to know.  Another man in the mothers life.



ADD:

Grandfather
Joe Chavez

and I think there is another sister but have not heard that name/age yet.
Joe Chavez

EDIT - dont know why his name was there....wasn't me I swear...lol


Great job Leroy!
I need to nail down if gpa name is Joe or if it is something else and they call him Joe. Like, for example Javier.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 30, 2009, 10:52:12 AM
So it is fair to assume that since all the mobile homes have been searched, that Sandra was taken out of the park in a car or truck. Could someone in the park who had one of his or her cats taken to the pound by the grp, been involved, because of revenge?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 30, 2009, 11:13:04 AM
So it is fair to assume that since all the mobile homes have been searched, that Sandra was taken out of the park in a car or truck. Could someone in the park who had one of his or her cats taken to the pound by the grp, been involved, because of revenge?

I cant see someone taking a child over a cat. There are alot of witnesses saying she basically wandered the place and spoke openly and in a friendly way to a few elderly gentlemen. The family themselves state that some old dude kissed her at the pool.
Does the pool allow memberships outside of the park? Does it serve the 2 parks around there that have SO's?

Witness, who happens to be an elderly gentlemen, says he saw strange guy in park ( I ran his name down if its real he is not a SO) a few minutes before she went missing. LE has not released a description of anyone, so was he credible?

I cannot see this being a stranger abduction in broad daylight without anyone seeing or hearing a thing.

I want to know who was home at 4PM and then went out by 8PM, possibly overnight.
How old is the brother of the 5 year old she was playing with and who else was there.
Who in the park has RV's.
Where are the other cameras and was she on them?

Or simply, who was not home at 8PM on Friday evening.

Has a cadaver dog been brought to the scene?

We are going to be approaching the 72 hour mark, LE needs to have a pressconf with what they have immediately.

Im sorry, the Jessica Lunsford case haunts me like no other. What that child endured and the fact that she could have been found is just, well, really one of the reasons I do what I do.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 30, 2009, 11:20:55 AM
The only reason I said what I did about the cat, is from personal experience from a crackpot who has made my life and my daughters hell over an incident with his and my dog, and I worried something awful that he was going to poison my dog. Little Jessica will always for me, haunt me forever. It scares me that Sandra, or at least it appears she did not have a lot of supervision. I've been wondering about Sandra's brother who is I believe 15, does anyone know more about him?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 30, 2009, 11:44:54 AM
VILLALOBOS  First Name: JULIO  Middle Name: URBANO 
 
 THIS SEX OFFENDER HAS BEEN IN VIOLATION OF REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS SINCE 08/15/2007


LOCATION UNKNOWN

 
 Description Offenses Scars/Marks/Tattoos Known Aliases
Last Known Address:
 
County: 
Zip Code 
Date of Birth: 08-04-1948
Sex: MALE
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 150
Eye Color: BROWN
Hair Color: BROWN
Ethnicity: HISPANIC

This guy absconded in 2007, why is he on Tracy's most wanted now?

http://www.ci.tracy.ca.us/departments/police/most_wanted/
 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 30, 2009, 12:11:37 PM
VILLALOBOS  First Name: JULIO  Middle Name: URBANO 
 
 THIS SEX OFFENDER HAS BEEN IN VIOLATION OF REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS SINCE 08/15/2007


LOCATION UNKNOWN

 
 Description Offenses Scars/Marks/Tattoos Known Aliases
Last Known Address:
 
County: 
Zip Code 
Date of Birth: 08-04-1948
Sex: MALE
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 150
Eye Color: BROWN
Hair Color: BROWN
Ethnicity: HISPANIC

This guy absconded in 2007, why is he on Tracy's most wanted now?

http://www.ci.tracy.ca.us/departments/police/most_wanted/
 

Great question, could someone have given a description of someone in the mobile home park that looked out of place?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 30, 2009, 12:17:26 PM
snip from Blink:   Im sorry, the Jessica Lunsford case haunts me like no other. What that child endured and the fact that she could have been found is just, well, really one of the reasons I do what I do.

Jessica's case still haunts me as well....If we are so haunted by it, can you imagine how her dad and grand parents still feel? how do you get that out of your mind and your head?
that poor little child...Even looking at Couey's face is a nightmare...she must have been so scared...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2009, 12:24:03 PM
Wonder where this guy was...Julio Trujillo Villalobos:

http://www.ci.tracy.ca.us/departments/police/most_wanted/

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/JulioVillalobos.jpg)

More information on him...his mother's Obit with alot of family info:


http://www.usgwarchives.net/obits/catext/sanjoaquin/obits/gob50trujillo.txt


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 30, 2009, 12:25:29 PM
http://www.usgwarchives.net/obits/catext/sanjoaquin/obits/gob50trujillo.txt

Klaas dug this up, this is his Mother.

Typically, they would match a relative to someone in the park first before just loosely going through SO's when this guy could not be tied to the area. Im thinking he is a relative of or knows someone in the park.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 30, 2009, 12:29:14 PM
http://www.usgwarchives.net/obits/catext/sanjoaquin/obits/gob50trujillo.txt

Klaas dug this up, this is his Mother.

Typically, they would match a relative to someone in the park first before just loosely going through SO's when this guy could not be tied to the area. Im thinking he is a relative of or knows someone in the park.
There was someone from this mobile park who saw someone that didn't look familar, and told police. Supposedly this person has been spoken to, let me go get the link, even though it probably won't work.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 30, 2009, 12:31:49 PM
Search for missing Tracy girl continues

Last Update: 6:44 am 

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TRACY, Calif. (AP) - The FBI is joining the search for a young Tracy girl who hasn't been seen since Friday night.

Authorities say FBI agents, Tracy police and officers from about a dozen law enforcement agencies are looking for eight-year-old Sandra Cantu.

Sandra hasn't been seen since around 4:00 Friday afternoon when a surveillance video camera recorded her walking away from her family's mobile home. Her mother reported her missing about 8:00 that night.

Throughout the day yesterday police searched homes in the mobile home park, while volunteers went door-to-door with fliers.

A police spokesman says investigators did question one man in the park, though they say there is no indication of foul play.

A reward of $2,000 is being offered by the FBI and Tracy Crime Stoppers for information concerning Sandra's whereabouts.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 30, 2009, 12:43:56 PM
Search for missing Tracy girl continues

Last Update: 6:44 am 

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TRACY, Calif. (AP) - The FBI is joining the search for a young Tracy girl who hasn't been seen since Friday night.

Authorities say FBI agents, Tracy police and officers from about a dozen law enforcement agencies are looking for eight-year-old Sandra Cantu.

Sandra hasn't been seen since around 4:00 Friday afternoon when a surveillance video camera recorded her walking away from her family's mobile home. Her mother reported her missing about 8:00 that night.

Throughout the day yesterday police searched homes in the mobile home park, while volunteers went door-to-door with fliers.

A police spokesman says investigators did question one man in the park, though they say there is no indication of foul play.

A reward of $2,000 is being offered by the FBI and Tracy Crime Stoppers for information concerning Sandra's whereabouts.


Is it me or does anyone else think its strange that they would even mention this guy if this was a *dead end* lead????


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 30, 2009, 12:51:57 PM
http://www.usgwarchives.net/obits/catext/sanjoaquin/obits/gob50trujillo.txt

Klaas dug this up, this is his Mother.

Typically, they would match a relative to someone in the park first before just loosely going through SO's when this guy could not be tied to the area. Im thinking he is a relative of or knows someone in the park.
There was someone from this mobile park who saw someone that didn't look familar, and told police. Supposedly this person has been spoken to, let me go get the link, even though it probably won't work.  ::MonkeyConfused::

I have his name, it was Pat Anistasio. Odd thing is, Pat does not live there, but a Mike Anastasio does. Not sure if he was visiting that he would be able to ID a strange guy from a resident. I checked both out though, clean.

If this guy is a POI LE needs get his face out there pronto (Villalobos).

Abducting Pedos do not go into a strange neighborhood and yank a kid, they just don't. Not without leaving a witness or some sort of evidence. This imo, would be an aquaintance offender.

I am so sick of the preventable- ness of the crimes to children I cannot stand it. Why dont people run the SO check per area and inform one another. How may times do you think we will see on TV "I had no idea so and so was a sex offender righ next door"

Why the Eff Don't you know if you have children?  Btw, I dont have any for 5 miles, save for one incest guy 2 miles away, point is I KNOW, though.  Maddening.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 30, 2009, 12:53:15 PM


Great job Leroy!
I need to nail down if gpa name is Joe or if it is something else and they call him Joe. Like, for example Javier.

Blink - I think his full name is Jose L. Chavez...

http://whitepages.anywho.com/results.php?ReportType=34&MoreInfoResult=1&RecID=7&qc=tracy&qf=Joe&qi=0&qk=10&qn=Chavez&qs=CA

Maybe???  This address is in the mobile home park i believe.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 30, 2009, 12:53:46 PM
Search for missing Tracy girl continues

Last Update: 6:44 am 

Print Story | Email Story     

TRACY, Calif. (AP) - The FBI is joining the search for a young Tracy girl who hasn't been seen since Friday night.

Authorities say FBI agents, Tracy police and officers from about a dozen law enforcement agencies are looking for eight-year-old Sandra Cantu.

Sandra hasn't been seen since around 4:00 Friday afternoon when a surveillance video camera recorded her walking away from her family's mobile home. Her mother reported her missing about 8:00 that night.

Throughout the day yesterday police searched homes in the mobile home park, while volunteers went door-to-door with fliers.

A police spokesman says investigators did question one man in the park, though they say there is no indication of foul play.

A reward of $2,000 is being offered by the FBI and Tracy Crime Stoppers for information concerning Sandra's whereabouts.


Is it me or does anyone else think its strange that they would even mention this guy if this was a *dead end* lead????

I read that also, I thought it might be just poorly written. If not, definately, and if it turns out to be the witness I just referred to Klaas is going to owe me something, lol


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 30, 2009, 12:56:20 PM


Great job Leroy!
I need to nail down if gpa name is Joe or if it is something else and they call him Joe. Like, for example Javier.

Blink - I think his full name is Jose L. Chavez...

http://whitepages.anywho.com/results.php?ReportType=34&MoreInfoResult=1&RecID=7&qc=tracy&qf=Joe&qi=0&qk=10&qn=Chavez&qs=CA

Maybe???  This address is in the mobile home park i believe.

Leroy, sorry, I did find that and thought I posted back to you, my apologies and thanks for posting it.

Here's the thing, I did find some SO's with that name, but can't say without a pic of the guy if he is one of them and I DO NOT want to throw that out to a man that is possibly missing his grandaughter.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 30, 2009, 12:59:11 PM
Blink - i understand and agree...i was weird about actually posting the address/phone info. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 30, 2009, 12:59:22 PM
I frequently go online to check for SO s in my area and the area that my grand daughters live in..so I am aware as well...
People should always check for this in my opinion...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 30, 2009, 01:01:24 PM
http://www.kcra.com/news/19043413/detail.html

Police Sgt. Tony Sheneman said he does not think the girl's family was involved in her disappearance, adding that he believes she is alive.

Ok, I am beginning to think this reporting is bad. If this Sgt said that and the family is saying they believe she was abducted and he is saying no family involved, we have a problem.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 30, 2009, 01:03:37 PM
http://www.kcra.com/news/19043413/detail.html

Police Sgt. Tony Sheneman said he does not think the girl's family was involved in her disappearance, adding that he believes she is alive.

Ok, I am beginning to think this reporting is bad. If this Sgt said that and the family is saying they believe she was abducted and he is saying no family involved, we have a problem.

care to elaborate?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 30, 2009, 01:03:37 PM
Blink - I think his middle name is Luis if that helps

(you prolly already know that too...LOL)  I'm pretty slow at finding this stuff!!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 30, 2009, 01:06:01 PM
http://www.usgwarchives.net/obits/catext/sanjoaquin/obits/gob50trujillo.txt

Klaas dug this up, this is his Mother.

Typically, they would match a relative to someone in the park first before just loosely going through SO's when this guy could not be tied to the area. Im thinking he is a relative of or knows someone in the park.
There was someone from this mobile park who saw someone that didn't look familar, and told police. Supposedly this person has been spoken to, let me go get the link, even though it probably won't work.  ::MonkeyConfused::

I have his name, it was Pat Anistasio. Odd thing is, Pat does not live there, but a Mike Anastasio does. Not sure if he was visiting that he would be able to ID a strange guy from a resident. I checked both out though, clean.

If this guy is a POI LE needs get his face out there pronto (Villalobos).

Abducting Pedos do not go into a strange neighborhood and yank a kid, they just don't. Not without leaving a witness or some sort of evidence. This imo, would be an aquaintance offender.

I am so sick of the preventable- ness of the crimes to children I cannot stand it. Why dont people run the SO check per area and inform one another. How may times do you think we will see on TV "I had no idea so and so was a sex offender righ next door"

Why the Eff Don't you know if you have children?  Btw, I dont have any for 5 miles, save for one incest guy 2 miles away, point is I KNOW, though.  Maddening.
Thanks for that info. I'm aware of what is around me, none around my neighborhood, but way up the hill by the grade school there are some  ::MonkeyEek:: I'm a nosy person, not because I have nothing better to do, but my kids are grown, and I do keep an eye out when the kids around here are out playing. I also notice when I walk the dog, if there is a person walking around that doesn't belong. There are some families in my neighborhood, that have better things to do then watch their kids  ::MonkeyNoNo:: and so I just kind of am aware of what's going on. I am very concerned with little Sandra, did she not have a babysitter or anyone to watch her? Her brother is 15 does anyone no how old the other siblings are? Again I believe someone saw something.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 30, 2009, 01:09:30 PM
http://www.kcra.com/news/19043413/detail.html

Police Sgt. Tony Sheneman said he does not think the girl's family was involved in her disappearance, adding that he believes she is alive.

Ok, I am beginning to think this reporting is bad. If this Sgt said that and the family is saying they believe she was abducted and he is saying no family involved, we have a problem.

care to elaborate?

Yes, please, what is going on with this?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 30, 2009, 01:10:17 PM
Blink - I think his middle name is Luis if that helps

(you prolly already know that too...LOL)  I'm pretty slow at finding this stuff!!
At least you know how, it would take me all day and then some  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 30, 2009, 01:18:17 PM
NORose....there should be more people who keep a look out for our little ones!
Can sex offenders live close to a grade school where you live at?
I think that in our area, they have to be so many miles away from where children congregate....


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 30, 2009, 01:18:36 PM
LOl Leroy-

For those that are checking on SO's and keeping an eye out for neighborhood children I salute you.

I just believe 100% whatever happened happened in that park. I wish I lived close to there right now, she is either still there or she was out between 4ish and 8PM. Theoretically, if they were looking for her around dinner time as they stated, meaning going door to door or whatever, that would tighten the window.

I did not hear back from LP, maybe he will surprise us and show up. I'll take anybody down there dressin these folks down for answers!!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 30, 2009, 01:27:08 PM
http://www.kcra.com/news/19043413/detail.html

Police Sgt. Tony Sheneman said he does not think the girl's family was involved in her disappearance, adding that he believes she is alive.

Ok, I am beginning to think this reporting is bad. If this Sgt said that and the family is saying they believe she was abducted and he is saying no family involved, we have a problem.

care to elaborate?

Yes, please, what is going on with this?

Sorry, did not mean to be criptic.

For the Sgt to publicly say he thinks she is alive, but not the victim of a kidnapping as there is no evidence of that, imo, is dangerous. For one thing, if your clearing the family, than the possibility of a stranger abduction is next and therefore she would be *endangered*, that assumption has to be made on LE part as they cant exclude it.  Add to that (if true) that all the homes were searched, so.... she is not in the complex, again, she cant drive so she would have had to have been transported by a stranger.. er go.. Amber Alert!!

If the family is saying she was kidnapped even though LE won't, and we already know FBI is there and involved so I would make the assumption they have been polly'd, we now have an absconded SO on the Tracy PD most wanted list with ties to the area, again, what does LE know or think that is preventing an amber alert? 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 30, 2009, 01:34:03 PM
Blink - I think his middle name is Luis if that helps

(you prolly already know that too...LOL)  I'm pretty slow at finding this stuff!!
At least you know how, it would take me all day and then some  ::MonkeyConfused::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm getting better but still takes me awhile.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 30, 2009, 01:40:58 PM
NORose....there should be more people who keep a look out for our little ones!
Can sex offenders live close to a grade school where you live at?
I think that in our area, they have to be so many miles away from where children congregate....
In Ca they do also, but they are still to close to the school for me, but I can't do anything about it, which is frustrating.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 30, 2009, 01:42:07 PM
LOl Leroy-

For those that are checking on SO's and keeping an eye out for neighborhood children I salute you.

I just believe 100% whatever happened happened in that park. I wish I lived close to there right now, she is either still there or she was out between 4ish and 8PM. Theoretically, if they were looking for her around dinner time as they stated, meaning going door to door or whatever, that would tighten the window.

I did not hear back from LP, maybe he will surprise us and show up. I'll take anybody down there dressin these folks down for answers!!
I believe it happened in the park also, I do hope you hear back from LP.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 30, 2009, 01:42:43 PM
NORose....there should be more people who keep a look out for our little ones!
Can sex offenders live close to a grade school where you live at?
I think that in our area, they have to be so many miles away from where children congregate....
In Ca they do also, but they are still to close to the school for me, but I can't do anything about it, which is frustrating.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


grrrrr....makes me angry that those SO s can be anywhere near where kids are!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 30, 2009, 01:45:05 PM
http://www.kcra.com/news/19043413/detail.html

Police Sgt. Tony Sheneman said he does not think the girl's family was involved in her disappearance, adding that he believes she is alive.

Ok, I am beginning to think this reporting is bad. If this Sgt said that and the family is saying they believe she was abducted and he is saying no family involved, we have a problem.

care to elaborate?

Yes, please, what is going on with this?

Sorry, did not mean to be criptic.

For the Sgt to publicly say he thinks she is alive, but not the victim of a kidnapping as there is no evidence of that, imo, is dangerous. For one thing, if your clearing the family, than the possibility of a stranger abduction is next and therefore she would be *endangered*, that assumption has to be made on LE part as they cant exclude it.  Add to that (if true) that all the homes were searched, so.... she is not in the complex, again, she cant drive so she would have had to have been transported by a stranger.. er go.. Amber Alert!!

If the family is saying she was kidnapped even though LE won't, and we already know FBI is there and involved so I would make the assumption they have been polly'd, we now have an absconded SO on the Tracy PD most wanted list with ties to the area, again, what does LE know or think that is preventing an amber alert? 
Does it cost money to issue an amber alert, I know dumb question, but with the way Arnold S has this state, my first thought why an amber alert hasn't been issued, is the cost. Other then that I don't know.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 30, 2009, 01:59:12 PM
Do we know who Manuel Chavez is?  Seems he lived or lives at the house too.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 30, 2009, 02:02:07 PM
Do we know who Manuel Chavez is?  Seems he lived or lives at the house too.
No, maybe a cousin or brother to the mother  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 30, 2009, 02:18:36 PM
Do we know who Manuel Chavez is?  Seems he lived or lives at the house too.

Uhoh.

I hesitate to comment on that because there are so many multiple names in this community, but I will say there is a Manuel Trujillo V, brother to the SO I posted earlier.

What is odd to me, is I cant validate the names living in the home of the playmate in that complex. Why?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 30, 2009, 02:27:29 PM
father was just on HLN news  pleading for her safe return...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 30, 2009, 02:28:37 PM
Do we know who Manuel Chavez is?  Seems he lived or lives at the house too.

Uhoh.

I hesitate to comment on that because there are so many multiple names in this community, but I will say there is a Manuel Trujillo V, brother to the SO I posted earlier.

What is odd to me, is I cant validate the names living in the home of the playmate in that complex. Why?

This is where I found the info about Manuel...

http://www.whitepages.com/search/Replay?search_id=60301450678864517127&form_mode=&lower=81&show_truncated=1&view=

Regarding the playmate....Nahum Diaz would also be a child of Rebecca Hullar?....is that how you understand it??  And Sandra was playing with Nahum's 5 year old sister??



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 30, 2009, 02:28:55 PM
Do we know who Manuel Chavez is?  Seems he lived or lives at the house too.

Uhoh.

I hesitate to comment on that because there are so many multiple names in this community, but I will say there is a Manuel Trujillo V, brother to the SO I posted earlier.

What is odd to me, is I cant validate the names living in the home of the playmate in that complex. Why?
That's strange, is that the five year old that was told by Sandra she was running away? That doesn't seem right to me, this running away story.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 30, 2009, 02:46:03 PM
Do we know who Manuel Chavez is?  Seems he lived or lives at the house too.

Uhoh.

I hesitate to comment on that because there are so many multiple names in this community, but I will say there is a Manuel Trujillo V, brother to the SO I posted earlier.

What is odd to me, is I cant validate the names living in the home of the playmate in that complex. Why?
That's strange, is that the five year old that was told by Sandra she was running away? That doesn't seem right to me, this running away story.

yes, I find it odd. Even if it were true, would you say that to a reporter concerning a missing girl that your daughter played with?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2009, 02:55:35 PM
http://www.tracypress.com/
(http://tracypress.com/images/stories/news_thumb/thumb_tp_0328cantusandramissingchild.jpg)

Foundation offers $5,000 reward       
Written by Press staff     
Monday, 30 March 2009 
 

A private foundation has put up $5,000 for information that leads to the return of a Jacobson Elementary School second-grader who been missing since Friday.

A nonprofit foundation will give $5,000 for information leading to the return of an 8-year-old Tracy girl who’s been missing since Friday afternoon.

Sandra Cantu, a Jacobson Elementary School second-grader, was last seen around 4 p.m. Friday after she left her family’s home in Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park on West Clover Road. She said she was going to visit a friend’s house, and hasn’t been seen since.

Last weekend, hundreds of volunteers and several law enforcement agencies combed four square miles of Tracy in search of Sandra.

The Carole Sund/Carrington Foundation offers rewards in cases like Sandra’s. The organization has offered $272,600 since 1999, which foundation spokesman Scott Webb said has helped locate nine missing people, 37 murder suspects, three kidnappers and one suspect charged with attempted murder of a peace officer.
 
The foundation was formed in honor of Carole and Julie Sund and Silvina Pelosso — three sightseers who went missing and were later found killed in Yosemite National Park 10 years ago.

While they were missing, the Sunds’ parents, Francis and Carole Carrington, posted rewards for information leading to their daughters’ safe return. The family believes that posting the rewards and the media attention they received helped police and the FBI find the missing women and helped them solve the case.

Tracy Crimestoppers and the FBI have also offered a $2,000 reward for information about the girl's whereabouts. The phone number for Crimestoppers is 831-6847.

Police will hold a press conference about the reward money at 1 p.m. today outside the Tracy Police Department, 1000 Civic Center Plaza.

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Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 30, 2009, 03:01:14 PM
Do we know who Manuel Chavez is?  Seems he lived or lives at the house too.

Uhoh.

I hesitate to comment on that because there are so many multiple names in this community, but I will say there is a Manuel Trujillo V, brother to the SO I posted earlier.

What is odd to me, is I cant validate the names living in the home of the playmate in that complex. Why?
That's strange, is that the five year old that was told by Sandra she was running away? That doesn't seem right to me, this running away story.

yes, I find it odd. Even if it were true, would you say that to a reporter concerning a missing girl that your daughter played with?

IMO - only if you wanted to shift the focus elsewhere....  ::MonkeyEek::   


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2009, 03:31:59 PM
NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/03/30/sandra-cantu-missing-ca-girl-family-cleared-sex-offender-added-to-most-wanted-list/

Sandra Cantu Missing CA Girl : Family Cleared- Sex Offender Added to Most Wanted List


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 30, 2009, 03:38:12 PM
Do we know who Manuel Chavez is?  Seems he lived or lives at the house too.

Uhoh.

I hesitate to comment on that because there are so many multiple names in this community, but I will say there is a Manuel Trujillo V, brother to the SO I posted earlier.

What is odd to me, is I cant validate the names living in the home of the playmate in that complex. Why?
That's strange, is that the five year old that was told by Sandra she was running away? That doesn't seem right to me, this running away story.

yes, I find it odd. Even if it were true, would you say that to a reporter concerning a missing girl that your daughter played with?

IMO - only if you wanted to shift the focus elsewhere....  ::MonkeyEek::   

Im trying not to go there but I have learned when something is tugging at my hinky meter it usually means something.
I really got the opinion that LE thinks she ran away, but the family says no way. What plans does an 8 year old make to run away and vanish without it being some endangered situation? I dunno.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 30, 2009, 03:42:42 PM
NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/03/30/sandra-cantu-missing-ca-girl-family-cleared-sex-offender-added-to-most-wanted-list/

Sandra Cantu Missing CA Girl : Family Cleared- Sex Offender Added to Most Wanted List

Thanks, and thanks Blink, wonder why LE believe Sandra will be found alive?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 30, 2009, 03:46:07 PM
I can't imagine an 8 year old running away, maybe for a couple hours, and maybe real close to home, even hiding in the house or yard, until they get bored, or hungry and then that's it. Or, and I hate going here, something was going on in the home, and she felt running away was her only choice. This running away does not sit well with me.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 30, 2009, 04:01:48 PM
I can't imagine an 8 year old running away, maybe for a couple hours, and maybe real close to home, even hiding in the house or yard, until they get bored, or hungry and then that's it. Or, and I hate going here, something was going on in the home, and she felt running away was her only choice. This running away does not sit well with me.

ITA.  i find it hard to believe that LE would even consider this from an 8 year old girl.  however, it does seem that she may have been more mature than most 8 year olds but still. 



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 30, 2009, 04:17:46 PM
I can't imagine an 8 year old running away, maybe for a couple hours, and maybe real close to home, even hiding in the house or yard, until they get bored, or hungry and then that's it. Or, and I hate going here, something was going on in the home, and she felt running away was her only choice. This running away does not sit well with me.

ITA.  i find it hard to believe that LE would even consider this from an 8 year old girl.  however, it does seem that she may have been more mature than most 8 year olds but still. 



I have no answer, I am remaining open minded, but let's assume LE actually thinks what they are saying-
WHAT IF THEY ARE WRONG?

How have the excluded the possibility she has been abducted? Simple question, answer that to our satisfaction and I'll cool it.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 30, 2009, 04:27:07 PM
I can't imagine an 8 year old running away, maybe for a couple hours, and maybe real close to home, even hiding in the house or yard, until they get bored, or hungry and then that's it. Or, and I hate going here, something was going on in the home, and she felt running away was her only choice. This running away does not sit well with me.

ITA.  i find it hard to believe that LE would even consider this from an 8 year old girl.  however, it does seem that she may have been more mature than most 8 year olds but still. 



I have no answer, I am remaining open minded, but let's assume LE actually thinks what they are saying-
WHAT IF THEY ARE WRONG?

How have the excluded the possibility she has been abducted? Simple question, answer that to our satisfaction and I'll cool it.

Exactly! 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 30, 2009, 04:31:01 PM
Oops, also meant to add....so they have no evidence that she was abducted....but i dont think they have any evidence that she ran away either....both instances would probably leave the *same* evidence.....  ::MonkeyConfused:: 

at this point, I am hoping for the best.....i have a feeling she is still somewhere in that park. 

wonder if the search dogs went with LE INTO all of the homes???


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 30, 2009, 04:44:10 PM
Oops, also meant to add....so they have no evidence that she was abducted....but i dont think they have any evidence that she ran away either....both instances would probably leave the *same* evidence.....  ::MonkeyConfused:: 

at this point, I am hoping for the best.....i have a feeling she is still somewhere in that park. 

wonder if the search dogs went with LE INTO all of the homes???

Yes Leroy, I have to believe she is. I can cite 3 other cases where it all looked like this at first and all went really bad really quickly; lets hope we are wrong.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 30, 2009, 04:50:13 PM
Oops, also meant to add....so they have no evidence that she was abducted....but i dont think they have any evidence that she ran away either....both instances would probably leave the *same* evidence.....  ::MonkeyConfused:: 

at this point, I am hoping for the best.....i have a feeling she is still somewhere in that park. 

wonder if the search dogs went with LE INTO all of the homes???

Yes Leroy, I have to believe she is. I can cite 3 other cases where it all looked like this at first and all went really bad really quickly; lets hope we are wrong.
I have a feeling she is also still in the park. As far as going to all the homes, I may be wrong, but if LE comes knocking to look inside, and you don't want them in your home for whatever reason you don't have to let them, right? They can get a search warrant, but they have to have a very good reason for that, maybe that is enough, that a child is missing, I don't know.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 30, 2009, 05:02:59 PM
Oops, also meant to add....so they have no evidence that she was abducted....but i dont think they have any evidence that she ran away either....both instances would probably leave the *same* evidence.....  ::MonkeyConfused:: 

at this point, I am hoping for the best.....i have a feeling she is still somewhere in that park. 

wonder if the search dogs went with LE INTO all of the homes???

Yes Leroy, I have to believe she is. I can cite 3 other cases where it all looked like this at first and all went really bad really quickly; lets hope we are wrong.
I have a feeling she is also still in the park. As far as going to all the homes, I may be wrong, but if LE comes knocking to look inside, and you don't want them in your home for whatever reason you don't have to let them, right? They can get a search warrant, but they have to have a very good reason for that, maybe that is enough, that a child is missing, I don't know.

Absolutely. You cant get a warrant with no amber alert or evidence of a crime, that being said, I just dont see how they had enough man power to search every house in 2 days in the first place. I want to hear that statement clarified.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 30, 2009, 05:14:18 PM
HLN is talking about her now...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 30, 2009, 05:35:13 PM
HLN is talking about her now...

Shoot I missed....anything new?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 30, 2009, 05:39:44 PM
HLN is talking about her now...

Shoot I missed....anything new?

the mom was on there ....she said that Sandra was very friendly, outgoing...
she begged whoever had her to let her go...
they have video from surveillance camera of Sandra leaving her house after school..
the police have questioned the gentleman in question who apparently kissed her...no one has been cleared at this time...they do not suspect foul play...

it will be repeated on the 5:00 HLN  .....for me at least HLN comes on at 4 and again at 5...usually the same stories...I usually watch it twice anyways in case I miss something...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 30, 2009, 05:46:43 PM
Thanks Cookie - i'm gonna try and catch the re-run.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: spring2 on March 30, 2009, 05:47:05 PM
I don't know if they have been through every house in that park yet or not, but they are definitely still there.  There were at least 6 or 7 cop cars in that entrance.  I didn't go in, so I don't know if there were more inside the park or not.  At this time, there is no volunteer search going on.  I tried from 10 a.m. this morning on.  I finally came home.

There is something to be said for Cindy Anthony getting as much air time as she did.  It doesn't seem to me that little Sandra is getting near as much attention.  Of course, I guess if they had waited 30 days to report her missing, that would make it more newsworthy!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 30, 2009, 06:00:07 PM
I don't know if they have been through every house in that park yet or not, but they are definitely still there.  There were at least 6 or 7 cop cars in that entrance.  I didn't go in, so I don't know if there were more inside the park or not.  At this time, there is no volunteer search going on.  I tried from 10 a.m. this morning on.  I finally came home.

There is something to be said for Cindy Anthony getting as much air time as she did.  It doesn't seem to me that little Sandra is getting near as much attention.  Of course, I guess if they had waited 30 days to report her missing, that would make it more newsworthy!

Bless your heart for trying! 

I wish Sandra was getting more media attention. Blink emailed Padilla so I hope he shows up there.  Or that Nancy Grace has something on her tonight.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 30, 2009, 06:00:48 PM
I don't know if they have been through every house in that park yet or not, but they are definitely still there.  There were at least 6 or 7 cop cars in that entrance.  I didn't go in, so I don't know if there were more inside the park or not.  At this time, there is no volunteer search going on.  I tried from 10 a.m. this morning on.  I finally came home.

There is something to be said for Cindy Anthony getting as much air time as she did.  It doesn't seem to me that little Sandra is getting near as much attention.  Of course, I guess if they had waited 30 days to report her missing, that would make it more newsworthy!

Spring 2, I am surmising your local?
Anny scuttlebut?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 30, 2009, 06:01:56 PM
I don't know if they have been through every house in that park yet or not, but they are definitely still there.  There were at least 6 or 7 cop cars in that entrance.  I didn't go in, so I don't know if there were more inside the park or not.  At this time, there is no volunteer search going on.  I tried from 10 a.m. this morning on.  I finally came home.

There is something to be said for Cindy Anthony getting as much air time as she did.  It doesn't seem to me that little Sandra is getting near as much attention.  Of course, I guess if they had waited 30 days to report her missing, that would make it more newsworthy!

Bless your heart for trying! 

I agree-

I have to be honest, the Sgt.s comments will make it harder to get coverage. Unfair yes, but true.

I wish Sandra was getting more media attention. Blink emailed Padilla so I hope he shows up there.  Or that Nancy Grace has something on her tonight.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 30, 2009, 06:03:56 PM
I don't know if they have been through every house in that park yet or not, but they are definitely still there.  There were at least 6 or 7 cop cars in that entrance.  I didn't go in, so I don't know if there were more inside the park or not.  At this time, there is no volunteer search going on.  I tried from 10 a.m. this morning on.  I finally came home.

There is something to be said for Cindy Anthony getting as much air time as she did.  It doesn't seem to me that little Sandra is getting near as much attention.  Of course, I guess if they had waited 30 days to report her missing, that would make it more newsworthy!
Thank-you for reporting this, so no volunteer search going on. I still feel little Sandra is inside the park. It's awful in my opinion how the media cherry picks what story they are going to cover, not newsworthy enough, it makes a person sick.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: spring2 on March 30, 2009, 06:04:54 PM
I saw an officer on the side of the road checking out an abandoned bicycle on the sidewalk.  I stopped and talked to him because the dispatch really wasn't too helpful.  He pointed me in the right direction, and I tried to get any small tidbit, and he said they don't have anything!

Also, I have friends in LE closeby with some connections.  NOTHING!!  It's so frustrating!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 30, 2009, 06:06:59 PM
when you all are mentioning 'park' , do you mean as in the trailer park or do you mean an actual park?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: spring2 on March 30, 2009, 06:07:44 PM
From seeing the video of the father, there were a couple of LE cars on the video.  When I was there, there were definitely more.  I saw one with a rifle of some sort.   He was in between 2 cars, so I don't have any clue what it was about.   CNN had a truck there, KRON4 and then one other, I think channel 5.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 30, 2009, 06:09:59 PM
when you all are mentioning 'park' , do you mean as in the trailer park or do you mean an actual park?

the mobile home park is what i am referring to.  I dont think she left there.....willingly at least.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: spring2 on March 30, 2009, 06:10:39 PM
when you all are mentioning 'park' , do you mean as in the trailer park or do you mean an actual park?


The mobile home park.  If you google map Orchard and Clover in Tracy, you will get a good visual of the area.  You can see how close to the interstate it is.  Also, that end of Clover, it is not a through street.  So you are either going to the Orchard Estates, the motel across the street, or some houses down at the end of the road.    But when you are on Tracy Blvd. before turning on Clover, there are a LOT of commercial things.  Shopping areas, fast food restaurants, gas stations.  There are a few apartment areas on Tracy Blvd there too.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 30, 2009, 06:10:59 PM
From seeing the video of the father, there were a couple of LE cars on the video.  When I was there, there were definitely more.  I saw one with a rifle of some sort.   He was in between 2 cars, so I don't have any clue what it was about.   CNN had a truck there, KRON4 and then one other, I think channel 5.

Spring - thanks so much for the info....please keep us updated.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: spring2 on March 30, 2009, 06:13:39 PM
I kind of felt like the shopping area was fairly close, like walking distance.  If she had older siblings, cousins, friends, etc, I can see that being somewhere they might walk to.  I am hoping they are checking surveillance cameras in those areas.  If she had walked there once, it wouldn't be a scary thing for her to do on her own, in my opinion.  If that's the case, it opens up way too many possibilities.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 30, 2009, 06:13:48 PM
when you all are mentioning 'park' , do you mean as in the trailer park or do you mean an actual park?

the mobile home park is what i am referring to.  I dont think she left there.....willingly at least.

thanks....I see....so you think that someone in the mobile home park is holding her? I think that is probably the case as well....
with all the cameras about, the LE might have more info than they are disclosing....hope so anyhow.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: spring2 on March 30, 2009, 06:15:43 PM
I wish I could say that I was turned away because she was found, not that they are not searching  ::MonkeyWaa::

I have a couple contact numbers and will be checking to see if they are organizing anything.  If so, I'll keep you posted!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 30, 2009, 06:17:37 PM
HLN is going to be on again about Sandra,  Leroy


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 30, 2009, 06:20:37 PM
HLN is talking about her now...

Shoot I missed....anything new?

the mom was on there ....she said that Sandra was very friendly, outgoing...
she begged whoever had her to let her go...
they have video from surveillance camera of Sandra leaving her house after school..
the police have questioned the gentleman in question who apparently kissed her...no one has been cleared at this time...they do not suspect foul play...

it will be repeated on the 5:00 HLN  .....for me at least HLN comes on at 4 and again at 5...usually the same stories...I usually watch it twice anyways in case I miss something...

this really bothers me...so at least a few people knew of this incident yet they still let their children run around unsupervised???  if LE talked to this guy....did he admit to kissing her?...if so, I hope they keep an eye on this creep-o...this just doesn't sit right with me   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 30, 2009, 06:24:16 PM
HLN is going to be on again about Sandra,  Leroy

Thanks - i'm watching now....this is the first time I've seen the mom....she said she was home at 3pm and Sandra asked to go to her friends....so was the mom home all night? or did she leave?

I'm trying to figure out how you wait so long to call the police...i read earlier that they became concerned when she didn't show up for dinner.  if she was in school that day, you could assume she ate lunch around noon....i would think dinner would be long before 7pm.....ughhh....okay, im rambling and prolly not making any sense!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 30, 2009, 06:27:12 PM
wow - so the guy that apparently kissed her still LIVES in the mobile home park??? why wouldn't anyone report this???

something is not right about this!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 30, 2009, 06:35:39 PM
I saw an officer on the side of the road checking out an abandoned bicycle on the sidewalk.  I stopped and talked to him because the dispatch really wasn't too helpful.  He pointed me in the right direction, and I tried to get any small tidbit, and he said they don't have anything!

Also, I have friends in LE closeby with some connections.  NOTHING!!  It's so frustrating!
Thank you, scary they have nothing.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 30, 2009, 06:38:21 PM
wow - so the guy that apparently kissed her still LIVES in the mobile home park??? why wouldn't anyone report this???

something is not right about this!
Bottom line, what has this man done to a child or children before the kiss and after? I'm going to be sick.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 30, 2009, 06:43:09 PM
wow - so the guy that apparently kissed her still LIVES in the mobile home park??? why wouldn't anyone report this???

something is not right about this!
Bottom line, what has this man done to a child or children before the kiss and after? I'm going to be sick.

SPring! Awesome updates, we needed a local in this case..

So what is your opinion as to why if you feel LE has nothing, the Sgt. would say hes confident that she will be returned alive? How could he make that statement?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 30, 2009, 06:49:36 PM
wow - so the guy that apparently kissed her still LIVES in the mobile home park??? why wouldn't anyone report this???

something is not right about this!
Bottom line, what has this man done to a child or children before the kiss and after? I'm going to be sick.

NoRose - i am going to be sick with you   ::MonkeyWaa:: 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 30, 2009, 09:08:04 PM
Today, I am proud of Nancy Grace. She asked the right questions. Did not get the right answers.

We need to clarify Mom and spokesperson's statements.. Did she come home, leave, play, come back and leave again to another friends house which is different than what we have heard?

How so? Her mom said the last she saw her was when she went to friend one.

Did anyone see this and believe she is not the victim of an abduction as LE has said?? No way.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 30, 2009, 09:12:07 PM
she is the victim of abduction I believe...
poor baby...hope that she is found soon!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 30, 2009, 09:17:50 PM
Today, I am proud of Nancy Grace. She asked the right questions. Did not get the right answers.

We need to clarify Mom and spokesperson's statements.. Did she come home, leave, play, come back and leave again to another friends house which is different than what we have heard?

How so? Her mom said the last she saw her was when she went to friend one.

Did anyone see this and believe she is not the victim of an abduction as LE has said?? No way.
The child is 8 years old, how do you not know exactly what this child is doing? This child was not supervised properly in my opinion.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 30, 2009, 09:19:05 PM
she is the victim of abduction I believe...
poor baby...hope that she is found soon!
I can't figure this out, do they think she ran away from home, and is hiding somewhere in the mobile park?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 30, 2009, 09:27:44 PM
she is the victim of abduction I believe...
poor baby...hope that she is found soon!
I can't figure this out, do they think she ran away from home, and is hiding somewhere in the mobile park?  ::MonkeyConfused::

don't know what their angle is NoRose...I am baffled as well.
what do they know that they are not disclosing?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 30, 2009, 09:32:46 PM
she is the victim of abduction I believe...
poor baby...hope that she is found soon!
I can't figure this out, do they think she ran away from home, and is hiding somewhere in the mobile park?  ::MonkeyConfused::

don't know what their angle is NoRose...I am baffled as well.
what do they know that they are not disclosing?
I really do hope they are just not disclosing something.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cartfly on March 30, 2009, 09:45:44 PM


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Anyone see the age of the sister Simone Chavez is 10 years old. Just noticed from this article.

OT: Anyone having trouble with typing replys, my cursur keeps moving oup ::MonkeyConfused::and I cant see what I am typing?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 30, 2009, 09:56:19 PM
I wondered what the age of Sandra's sister was, so she is ten, and she has a brother that is 15, and I think she has one more sister, but don't know the age. Yes, this morning I was having trouble with posting, but I haven't for awhile now.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: spring2 on March 30, 2009, 10:19:13 PM
I don't know why they are saying what they are saying and why they aren't expanding beyond the mobile home park.  I did see lots of fliers in windows, but wonder what all has been searched.  The LE presence was HEAVY in that park.  I don't believe an 8 year old has the willpower to hide out for that many days to "run away."  She couldn't elude LE that long either, especially with FBI there.  My LE buddies would let me know if they knew anything.  They do have some access to info in that area.  So I really think she got picked up and put into a car. 

Something that is VERY sickening is, while I was on my way there, I noticed field upon field upon field.  If they have to scour that, it won't be an easy task.  In the winter here is when it rains.  That's when everything grows and is green.  Another thing though, some fields have already been plowed.  So would a shallow grave be visible? 

I think I remember someone saying that a decaying body produced heat though too.  So would the helicopter pick that up?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2009, 10:27:10 PM
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17666/2268/

Man who kissed missing girl questioned   
Written by Jennifer Wadsworth     
Monday, 30 March 2009 

  (http://tracypress.com/images/stories/March_2009/0328missingchildsearch4.jpg)
A man who lived in a trailer behind the one in which Sandra Cantu lives has been questioned three times by police, but he's no more a suspect now than anyone else, investigators say.


Police have questioned a martial arts instructor three times about his alleged sexual interaction two years ago with an 8-year-old Tracy girl missing since Friday.

Police and the family have confirmed that the man — whose name and age police, family and neighbors withheld — had reportedly kissed Sandra Cantu on the lips while she was swimming in the mobile home park’s pool two years ago. Sandra's 15-year-old brother Thomas Fortin suggested he might be in his 40s or 50s.


The man lives behind the home of Sandra, who was last seen around 4 p.m. Friday before the family reported her missing. More than 73 hours have passed since then.

No one answered the door today at the man’s trailer, and neighbors declined to disclose his name. He is not a registered sex offender, according to the California Department of Justice. In fact, the department lists that no registered sex offenders live in the mobile home park. Police already interviewed all the area’s registrants.

Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman said police have questioned the middle-aged man along with everyone else in Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, where the little girl lives with her mother and grandparents. Sheneman said police have come up with no suspects so far and still no evidence that the Jacobson Elementary School second-grader was kidnapped.

“It’s still a missing person’s case,” Sheneman said at an afternoon press conference. “There is no evidence that it’s an abduction.”



Fliers of the missing girl have been posted all over town. Glenn Moore/Tracy PressThe family said they have no suspicions about any one person just now, but that like the police, they haven’t ruled anyone out.

Sandra’s mother Maria Chavez talked at length to investigators again today, and begged the public via national and local TV newscasts to help her find her daughter. For the most part, the family has sheltered themselves inside their home from the media frenzy today, stepping out for a couple interviews later in the afternoon.

Meanwhile, the entire mobile home park has turned into a crime scene. Armed detectives wander the narrow streets and talk to everyone who enters the park. Tracy police stood guard at the park entrance and searched the cars of anyone who drove through.

Still, federal, state, county and city investigators have yet to turn up any clues leading to the girl’s whereabouts. Police did say today that they got about 150 tips, some of them credible, and that they have yet to go through all the surveillance tapes from nearby businesses, including a motel across the street from the mobile home park’s only entrance.

A volunteer search and rescue worker on Sunday found a bottle of hair dye, which she told police about. Police said they don’t know yet if that means anything.

Police said they’re confident that Sandra’s alive because they have no reason yet to believe otherwise. Searchers continued their hunt in the city’s southern side, between 11th Street and Interstate-580 today, but by this evening had learned nothing new about Sandra’s disappearance, Sheneman said.

A search of the four square miles around Sandra’s home turned up nothing by the third day of her disappearance, police said.

Sheneman said investigators worry about the mobile home park’s proximity to Interstate 205, because if someone picked up Sandra they could have taken her anywhere.

Still, Tracy police said the search extends no farther than Tracy’s rural edge. But police from other cities have joined to help, including some from Livermore and Modesto.

That brings the count up to 18 agencies that have helped in the search, including the FBI.
Local police said they can keep up the search and still juggle daily patrols because the department has gotten so much help from outside investigators.

“It’s an 8-year-old girl who’s been missing for three days,” Sheneman said. “That’s an exceptional case … we’re not going to wind down.”

Hundreds of volunteers have helped out, too, though many of them who joined the search during the weekend had to go back to work today.

Evidence of volunteer work outside the search can be seen around town, though.

Hundreds of missing-person posters are plastered around Tracy, on car windows, businesses, utility poles and at schools. A couple print shops in town have donated free color posters for volunteers to post today. The new posters show a more recent photo of Sandra with lighter brown hair.

Anyone with information about Sandra’s whereabouts is encouraged to call Tracy police at 831-4550, Tracy Crimestoppers at 831-6847 or The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children at 800-843-5678.

The FBI, the Tracy Crimestoppers and the private nonprofit Carole Sund/Carrington Foundation have offered a combined $7,000 reward for information leading to Sandra’s whereabouts.
 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2009, 10:28:49 PM
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17667/2268/

Hundreds crowd multipurpose room       
Written by Jennifer Wadsworth     
Monday, 30 March 2009 
 

Police talk to parents and students tonight at Jacobson Elementary School about the search for second-grader.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Police at an informational meeting tonight pleaded with the public to share tips that could lead to the return of an 8-year-old girl missing since Friday afternoon.

More than 250 parents, students and reporters crowded the multipurpose room at Jacobson Elementary School to find some answers about what happened to Sandra Cantu, who attends the North Tracy school. Some asked police what they could do to help find her.

Police had little to tell the public, except that they still need help posting missing-person fliers, making colored copies of them and encouraging tipsters to give them a lead in an investigation that so far has come up dry.

Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman — the department’s spokesman — recapped what’s been done so far to search for the missing girl. He assured the public that the department and nearly 20 other state, federal and local agencies have 100 people working around the clock in the search. He said if they come across any leads, there are more teams — volunteer and professional — ready to respond at a moment’s notice.

In the meantime, he asked people to tell police about anything out of the ordinary, whether it’s that someone changed their appearance or hasn’t been seen for a few days when they’re normally seen all the time.

“They may seem insignificant when looked at individually, but there could be some common thread,” he said. “We are depending on information from the community.”
Police also urged parents to talk to their kids to find out if they knew Sandra or had talked to her recently. If so, he said investigators would like to interview them.

Investigators have already watched all the surveillance footage from a camera placed outside Sandra’s home as well as footage from cameras outside local businesses, including two nearby hotels. Nothing suspicious showed up, police told the public.

• People with information about Sandra’s whereabouts are encouraged to call the police tip line at 831-6958, Tracy Crimestoppers at 831-6847 or The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children at 1-800-843-5678.

• The FBI, the Tracy Crimestoppers and private Carole Sund/Carrington Foundation have offered a combined $7,000 reward for information leading to Sandra’s whereabouts. Donations of more reward money can be sent to Tracy Crimestoppers, Sheneman said.

• Those who want to volunteer to hang up posters may stop by the Tracy Fire Department’s administration building, 835 Central Ave., to pick up copies.
 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 30, 2009, 10:35:14 PM
I don't know why they are saying what they are saying and why they aren't expanding beyond the mobile home park.  I did see lots of fliers in windows, but wonder what all has been searched.  The LE presence was HEAVY in that park.  I don't believe an 8 year old has the willpower to hide out for that many days to "run away."  She couldn't elude LE that long either, especially with FBI there.  My LE buddies would let me know if they knew anything.  They do have some access to info in that area.  So I really think she got picked up and put into a car. 

Something that is VERY sickening is, while I was on my way there, I noticed field upon field upon field.  If they have to scour that, it won't be an easy task.  In the winter here is when it rains.  That's when everything grows and is green.  Another thing though, some fields have already been plowed.  So would a shallow grave be visible? 

I think I remember someone saying that a decaying body produced heat though too.  So would the helicopter pick that up?

Sorry to address the macabre. Yes, thermogenically equipped aerials can. To be honest in the worst case scenario, a field is the easiest place to find the deceased with a variety of means. Fields are not good hiding places for bodies in any way, they are also usually the first "pass" when it comes to a search effort. Meaning, I would be surprised if they had not done the fly bys on this already, sorry if upsetting but it is reality and protocol.  


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 30, 2009, 10:40:52 PM
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17667/2268/

Hundreds crowd multipurpose room       
Written by Jennifer Wadsworth     
Monday, 30 March 2009 
 

Police talk to parents and students tonight at Jacobson Elementary School about the search for second-grader.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Police at an informational meeting tonight pleaded with the public to share tips that could lead to the return of an 8-year-old girl missing since Friday afternoon.

More than 250 parents, students and reporters crowded the multipurpose room at Jacobson Elementary School to find some answers about what happened to Sandra Cantu, who attends the North Tracy school. Some asked police what they could do to help find her.

Police had little to tell the public, except that they still need help posting missing-person fliers, making colored copies of them and encouraging tipsters to give them a lead in an investigation that so far has come up dry.

Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman — the department’s spokesman — recapped what’s been done so far to search for the missing girl. He assured the public that the department and nearly 20 other state, federal and local agencies have 100 people working around the clock in the search. He said if they come across any leads, there are more teams — volunteer and professional — ready to respond at a moment’s notice.

In the meantime, he asked people to tell police about anything out of the ordinary, whether it’s that someone changed their appearance or hasn’t been seen for a few days when they’re normally seen all the time.

“They may seem insignificant when looked at individually, but there could be some common thread,” he said. “We are depending on information from the community.”
Police also urged parents to talk to their kids to find out if they knew Sandra or had talked to her recently. If so, he said investigators would like to interview them.

Investigators have already watched all the surveillance footage from a camera placed outside Sandra’s home as well as footage from cameras outside local businesses, including two nearby hotels. Nothing suspicious showed up, police told the public.

• People with information about Sandra’s whereabouts are encouraged to call the police tip line at 831-6958, Tracy Crimestoppers at 831-6847 or The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children at 1-800-843-5678.

• The FBI, the Tracy Crimestoppers and private Carole Sund/Carrington Foundation have offered a combined $7,000 reward for information leading to Sandra’s whereabouts. Donations of more reward money can be sent to Tracy Crimestoppers, Sheneman said.

• Those who want to volunteer to hang up posters may stop by the Tracy Fire Department’s administration building, 835 Central Ave., to pick up copies.
 

Thanks Klaas- I so hate to be doom and gloom, but everything I needed to know is in this brief...

.."anyone that has changed their appearance.."  They have a POI without saying so officially. How the He double hockeystick is there any other conclusion and how do you say she is coming back alive?? Who is missing with her that you know of that would not endanger her?? Because if you cant answer that, this is going in the wrong direction, imo...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: RiverWalk on March 31, 2009, 12:02:41 AM
http://www.kcra.com/news/19043413/detail.html

Girl's Disappearance Not Considered Abduction

Search Continues After Child Disappeared Friday

POSTED: 4:01 am PDT March 30, 2009
UPDATED: 6:22 pm PDT March 30, 2009


TRACY, Calif. -- Police said Monday that an 8-year-old Tracy girl's disappearance is being considered a missing persons case and not an abduction.
Sandra Cantu was last seen at 4 p.m. Friday outside Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park.
Earlier, family members said she probably was abducted.

Sandra Cantu
Meanwhile, the Carole Sund/Carrington Foundation offered a $5,000 reward for information leading to the return of the girl.
Volunteers continued their search Monday, while authorities were scouring surveillance video that recorded the girl playing in the mobile home community, located a short distance from the intersection of North Tracy Boulevard and Interstate 205.
"We are still very hopeful that she will be returned safely to us," said family representative Lisa Encarnacion, adding early Monday that it is "exhausting" for relatives to wait through the ordeal.
Encarnacion said relatives insist the girl was taken from the mobile home park and did not run away.
"They think that she has just been abducted," Encarnacion said. "And I know that the law enforcement is reluctant to say that at this moment because there is no concrete evidence to back that up."
However, officials said investigation is still a missing persons case and is not being considered abduction.
"She never mentioned anything to say that she was going to run away or she hates it there or nothing," mother Maria Chavez said. "She always told me she loved me."
Police Sgt. Tony Sheneman said he does not think the girl's family was involved in her disappearance, and that he believes she is alive.
Officials said a surveillance video caught Cantu's going back and forth, and that the images are being used in the investigation.
However, the video is classified as evidence, Sheneman said, and won't be released for now.
Investigators said the girl was at a friend's house that afternoon.
Police investigated a man who reportedly kissed the then 6-year-old on the mouth at the park's pool. Sheneman said officials talked to that man, but nothing came of it.
"It was an incident that occurred two years ago that was never reported to the police," Sheneman said. "We have interviewed him and in all likelihood interview him again and continue to talk to him about some other issues."
At a candlelight vigil Sunday night, Sandra Cantu's father, Daniel Cantu, pleaded for her safe return.
"Please, bring her home," he said. "I love you, honey. Please come home soon."
Hundreds of law enforcement officers from eight counties, as well as the FBI and a dive team, have been involved in the search. The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children is also assisting in the investigation.
Sandra Cantu is 4 feet tall, weighs 45 pounds and has brown hair and brown eyes. She was wearing a pink Hello Kitty T-shirt and black leggings.
Anyone with information should call the Tracy Police Department at 209-831-4550. Sheneman said anyone wishing to volunteer in the search or donate money for the reward fund may call police.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: RiverWalk on March 31, 2009, 12:06:32 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/

Click on the video on the right about Sandra.  Greta's interview from 3/30/09


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: A's Fever on March 31, 2009, 02:35:26 AM
Some kind of unspecified evidence has been found by police . . . this does not sound good.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



Posted: 10:14 pm PDT March 30, 2009
Updated: 10:49 pm PDT March 30, 2009

TRACY, Calif. -- Late Monday, Tracey police confirmed that a search of mobile homes at the park eight-year-old Sandra Cantu disappeared from last Friday has turned up evidence, but the child has still not been located.

Police also searched a home in the Central Valley town of Oakdale. Investigators say they obtained search warrants based on info obtained thru interviews with residents. So far, no one's been taken into custody.

Officers continue to search the trunk of each vehicle leaving the mobile home park.


Earlier Monday evening, three unmarked FBI vans and a tow truck arrived at the park. A neighbor tells KTVU he saw federal agents removing evidence from another neighbor's house and that the tow truck was preparing to remove that neighbor's vehicle.

The girl was last seen around 4 p.m. Friday afternoon outside her home at the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park near Interstate 205. Police say a surveillance camera recently installed by her family captured an image of the second grader as she was seen leaving her mobile home.

Family and friends of the missing girl are holding onto the belief that she will be found safe and sound. This is the third night they've held a candlelight vigil to keep hope alive.

Dozens of people gathered for the vigil just inside the front gates of the mobile home park where Sandra Cantu lives. The eight-year-old had just celebrated her birthday two weeks ago.

Monday afternoon, her mother Maria Chavez made a tearful plea for her daughter's safe return.

"Whoever took her, please bring her back home," said Chavez. "I miss her so much. I love her. I want her to know I love her. We're looking for her. We're doing the best we can to find her."

Monday evening, police met with hundreds of concerned parents at Jacobson Elementary School where Sandra Cantu is a student.

"We are depending on information from the community," said Tracy Police Sgt Tony Sheneman.

One parent, whose daughter is friends with Sandra and lives near the missing girl, told police she saw a suspicious black Jeep Cherokee in the neighborhood around the time Sandra disappeared.

Local resident Kim Bravo was visibly shaken.

"It just worries me. We're kind of new out here and it hurts as a mother. It really does," explained Bravo

Bravo's daughter Aliah Peralta describes Sandra as being friendly and kind to everyone.

"She'd talk to anyone. She just came up to me when I met her and asked me what my name was," said Peralta.

Police and the FBI say they've received more than 150 tips, including some credible leads.

Investigators have interviewed registered sex offenders in the area and plan to re-interview a man living in the park who kissed Sandra on the mouth at the community pool two years ago

Police re-searched the 100 mobile homes in the neighborhood, but still say they have no person of interest or evidence that Sandra has been harmed.

" just hope they find her. It's been a long time It was really cold last night, and if someone has her, just let her go," said neighbor Anthony Camarena.

Police are reviewing hours of surveillance video from nearby businesses and have searched foreclosed homes and businesses in the area.

On Monday, the reward for anyone who provides information that help police to find Cantu went up to $7,000.
Copyright 2009 by KTVU.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

http://www.ktvu.com/news/19051010/detail.html



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: sirensong on March 31, 2009, 02:58:09 AM
I am shocked and so saddened by this story.  I lived in Tracy for 22 years, so it really hits home.  The freeway is so close to that location, if she was abducted and driven away in a car, no telling where she could be.  There are alot of fields in that location, and many roads that are easily hidden from view and not traveled often.  Especially at night.  I have a gut feeling she is not far from her home.  Alot of places and roads to be taken and hidden from view.  Please pray for this little girl. 

There were two boys that were from Tracy, found dead in Castro Valley (I think) and the murderer(s) have never been caught.  I never could fathom how a family could go through something like that and not lose their mind.  I still think of them.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Cappuccino on March 31, 2009, 03:44:41 AM
So sorry, I saw that the thread was started later tonight....first I want to say I will continue to pray for this child & her family.   I have to catch up on what has been released thus far, I've only skimmed posts but my gut tells me this is a pedofile abduction, seems like someone could have been watching her or that neighborhood to know there was a definite window of opportunity...I pray I'm wrong.   I'll catch up more thoroughly tomorrow.

Ill say goodnite with this question:   When are legislators & judges going to get it thru their thick skulls that pedofiles are not curable & their recidivism is a given!!   Ugh, its just too frustrating.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 31, 2009, 08:38:25 AM
Two men questioned about missing Tracy girl
Peter Fimrite, Chronicle Staff Writer

Tuesday, March 31, 2009
 Police searched six locations in and around the mobile home park where an 8-year-old Tracy girl vanished, investigators revealed late Monday.
The search warrants were served on property and vehicles associated with two men, who were interviewed by police in connection with the disappearance of Sandra Cantu, who failed to return to her home at the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park on West Clover Road on Friday, said Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman.

"They are persons of interest," Sheneman said. "Information was gathered from leads generated from the community and information gathered in interviews with the two people. We were searching for information that would lead to the whereabouts of Sandra."

Four of the search warrants were served inside the mobile home park, and the others were served in Tracy and Oakdale (Stanislaus County), Sheneman said. All items collected during the searches were taken to an FBI laboratory in Sacramento for analysis, he said.

Sheneman did not disclose what relationship, if any, the two men had with the Cantu family or why they attracted attention, but he said investigators also were focusing on associated vehicles.

"The two men are not related to each other, and they do not live together," he said.

The men were not arrested and were not named as suspects.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/03/31/BA7K16PM1Q.DTL


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 09:07:12 AM
California girl, 8, disappears after playing with friend

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/31/california.missing.girl/


--snippped---

On Monday night, Tracy police and FBI agents searched six locations, some in the mobile home park and some in Tracy, and all of them connected to two men.

Authorities did not call the men suspects, and did not name them publicly. They said both live in the mobile home park but did not say how or if they are related to Sandra.

"We're looking for evidence that will lead to the discovery of Sandra's whereabouts," Tracy Police Sgt. Tony Sheneman told reporters Monday night. "We operate on the assumption she is alive and well."


--snipped--

The mobile home park has less than 100 units. There are about 80 registered sex offenders living in a five-mile radius around it. The family has not looked at the list of offenders to see if they may know any of them, Encarnacion told Nancy Grace.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 31, 2009, 09:37:06 AM
Two men questioned about missing Tracy girl
Peter Fimrite, Chronicle Staff Writer

Tuesday, March 31, 2009
 Police searched six locations in and around the mobile home park where an 8-year-old Tracy girl vanished, investigators revealed late Monday.
The search warrants were served on property and vehicles associated with two men, who were interviewed by police in connection with the disappearance of Sandra Cantu, who failed to return to her home at the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park on West Clover Road on Friday, said Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman.

"They are persons of interest," Sheneman said. "Information was gathered from leads generated from the community and information gathered in interviews with the two people. We were searching for information that would lead to the whereabouts of Sandra."

Four of the search warrants were served inside the mobile home park, and the others were served in Tracy and Oakdale (Stanislaus County), Sheneman said. All items collected during the searches were taken to an FBI laboratory in Sacramento for analysis, he said.

Sheneman did not disclose what relationship, if any, the two men had with the Cantu family or why they attracted attention, but he said investigators also were focusing on associated vehicles.

"The two men are not related to each other, and they do not live together," he said.

The men were not arrested and were not named as suspects.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/03/31/BA7K16PM1Q.DTL
Thanks for posting this, I saw something about this early this morning on the news, but didn't catch it all.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 31, 2009, 09:50:55 AM
thanks for the news all!
maybe we will get somewhere with all that went on yesterday...

praying really hard for this little one...



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 09:53:46 AM
Where is 8-year-old Sandra Cantu?
Girl failed to return from friend’s house; mom says, ‘I think she was taken’
 
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/29970655/

_________________________________________________

So here are the siblings:

Miranda, 11, Tommy, 15, and Simone, 20

According to this, they all live in the mobile home with Sandra.
 

 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 09:57:29 AM
thanks for the news all!
maybe we will get somewhere with all that went on yesterday...

praying really hard for this little one...



me too Cookie


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 31, 2009, 09:58:45 AM
Leroy,  the grandparents live there too right? I thought that I read that....

Wonder what Sandra did in the 2 minutes that she returned home and left again? did she grab some money or a snack?  is there a convenience store close to her home? 2 minutes is barely time to run in and run back out again...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 10:03:10 AM
Video of Nancy Grace covering Sandra Cantu  (in case you missed it last night)

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/31/california.missing.girl/?iref=hpmostpop#cnnSTCVideo



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 10:06:17 AM
Leroy,  the grandparents live there too right? I thought that I read that....

Wonder what Sandra did in the 2 minutes that she returned home and left again? did she grab some money or a snack?  is there a convenience store close to her home? 2 minutes is barely time to run in and run back out again...

You are correct....the grandma, grandpa, mom and 3 siblings all live in the house with Sandra.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/29970655/


I'm looking for a link about what she did when she went home for that short time....brb


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 31, 2009, 10:20:13 AM
Leroy,  the grandparents live there too right? I thought that I read that....

Wonder what Sandra did in the 2 minutes that she returned home and left again? did she grab some money or a snack?  is there a convenience store close to her home? 2 minutes is barely time to run in and run back out again...

You are correct....the grandma, grandpa, mom and 3 siblings all live in the house with Sandra.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/29970655/


I'm looking for a link about what she did when she went home for that short time....brb

that is a lot of people crammed into one place! is is a double wide?
even so, there are usually only 3 bedrooms....not that it matters, just occurred to me that there would not be a lot of room in there for that many people....
and with that many people living there, no one saw her when she went back in the house for about the 2 minutes that the LE said that she appeared on and off the camera?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2009, 10:25:47 AM
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17667/2268/

Even though this date says March 31 it may have been from last night:

written by shelly13 , March 31, 2009
Just now in breaking news they said the police checkpoint has gone and a towtruck and FBI evidence van has entered the mobile home park. Watch the news at 10pm for more.

Lots of prayers.
....


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 10:30:06 AM
Spring2 - any info that hasn't been posted?? 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 31, 2009, 10:30:15 AM
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17667/2268/

Even though this date says March 31 it may have been from last night:

written by shelly13 , March 31, 2009
Just now in breaking news they said the police checkpoint has gone and a towtruck and FBI evidence van has entered the mobile home park. Watch the news at 10pm for more.

Lots of prayers.
....

Thanks for that. I am familar with people who grab kids, and change the child's appearance, but it sounds like what was stated is to look for adults that have changed their appearance  ::MonkeyConfused:: Maybe I misunderstood, but either way it does not sound good.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 10:32:44 AM
Police Focus On 2 Men In Search For Girl
Properties Searched In Tracy, Oakdale
POSTED: 6:01 am PDT March 31, 2009
UPDATED: 7:12 am PDT March 31, 2009


TRACY, Calif. -- Police are focusing their search for a missing 8-year-old Tracy girl on two men who live in the mobile park where she resides, authorities said.

Sandra Cantu was last seen Friday afternoon walking in Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, located just off West Clover Road.

Authorities have also searched five properties in Tracy -- including four mobile homes in the park -- as well as a location in Oakdale. A reward for information leading to her return has grown to $7,000.

"They're looking for evidence that would lead to the discovery of Sandra's whereabouts," Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman said. "Evidence has been collected, and I cannot list it until the warrant has been returned to the judge."

A representative of the girl's family said Monday that they believe she was abducted.

"I want her to know that I love her," added her mother, Maria Chavez. "I went looking for her. We're doing the best we can to find her."

Police said little about the two men they have been interviewing, other than that they live in separate mobile homes in the park and are not related.

Police have also searched rooms at the Microtel Inn and Suites, located directly across the street from the mobile home park, which has about 100 homes.

The FBI is looking at the hotel's guest list and surveillance video from the property.

Cantu was also seen on surveillance video recorded in the mobile home park. She was last seen walking from her home to a friend's home within the park.

Cantu is 4 feet tall, weighs 45 pounds and has brown hair and brown eyes. She was wearing a pink Hello Kitty T-shirt and black leggings.

Anyone with information may call the Tracy Police Department at 209-831-4550. Sheneman said anyone wishing to donate money for the reward fund may call police.

http://www.kcra.com/news/19053042/detail.html



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 31, 2009, 10:42:56 AM
I dont even have words.

I try very hard not to be critical of LE, but if this is going the way we think, that makes all of us right all along, and Sgt. Shenemen should explain his comments from yesterday. They do not get those kinds of warrants and vehicle impounds without physical evidence, they just do not.

God Bless Sandra and her family.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 10:45:27 AM
Community Distraught As Search For Girl Continues
Posted: 10:14 pm PDT March 30, 2009
Updated: 6:59 am PDT March 31, 2009

--snipped--

Police also searched a home in the Central Valley town of Oakdale. Investigators say they obtained search warrants based on info obtained thru interviews with residents. So far, no one's been taken into custody.

Officers continue to search the trunk of each vehicle leaving the mobile home park.

Earlier Monday evening, three unmarked FBI vans and a tow truck arrived at the park. A neighbor tells KTVU he saw federal agents removing evidence from another neighbor's house and that the tow truck was preparing to remove that neighbor's vehicle.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 10:51:55 AM
I dont even have words.

I try very hard not to be critical of LE, but if this is going the way we think, that makes all of us right all along, and Sgt. Shenemen should explain his comments from yesterday. They do not get those kinds of warrants and vehicle impounds without physical evidence, they just do not.

God Bless Sandra and her family.

i wish i could be as opptomistic as LE that she will be found safe....i cant figure out why/how they believe this??

however Shenemen did say this prior to the warrants IIRC.  wonder what he thinks now.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 31, 2009, 10:51:59 AM
I dont even have words.

I try very hard not to be critical of LE, but if this is going the way we think, that makes all of us right all along, and Sgt. Shenemen should explain his comments from yesterday. They do not get those kinds of warrants and vehicle impounds without physical evidence, they just do not.

God Bless Sandra and her family.
Are we going to find out what I feared, but actually this is worse then what I feared, this sounds like a child porn ring, checking out all these places  ::MonkeyWaa:: And God knows what else LE has discovered.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 10:54:05 AM
I dont even have words.

I try very hard not to be critical of LE, but if this is going the way we think, that makes all of us right all along, and Sgt. Shenemen should explain his comments from yesterday. They do not get those kinds of warrants and vehicle impounds without physical evidence, they just do not.

God Bless Sandra and her family.
Are we going to find out what I feared, but actually this is worse then what I feared, this sounds like a child porn ring, checking out all these places  ::MonkeyWaa:: And God knows what else LE has discovered.

something so strange about them checking the hotel rooms....


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 31, 2009, 11:01:22 AM
I dont even have words.

I try very hard not to be critical of LE, but if this is going the way we think, that makes all of us right all along, and Sgt. Shenemen should explain his comments from yesterday. They do not get those kinds of warrants and vehicle impounds without physical evidence, they just do not.

God Bless Sandra and her family.
Are we going to find out what I feared, but actually this is worse then what I feared, this sounds like a child porn ring, checking out all these places  ::MonkeyWaa:: And God knows what else LE has discovered.

something so strange about them checking the hotel rooms....
Could just be me, but I'm thinking LE has stumbled onto something big. I sure wish we would hear something about Sandra today.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 31, 2009, 11:05:48 AM
I dont even have words.

I try very hard not to be critical of LE, but if this is going the way we think, that makes all of us right all along, and Sgt. Shenemen should explain his comments from yesterday. They do not get those kinds of warrants and vehicle impounds without physical evidence, they just do not.

God Bless Sandra and her family.
Are we going to find out what I feared, but actually this is worse then what I feared, this sounds like a child porn ring, checking out all these places  ::MonkeyWaa:: And God knows what else LE has discovered.

something so strange about them checking the hotel rooms....
Could just be me, but I'm thinking LE has stumbled onto something big. I sure wish we would hear something about Sandra today.

You could very well be onto something NoRose


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 11:05:56 AM
I dont even have words.

I try very hard not to be critical of LE, but if this is going the way we think, that makes all of us right all along, and Sgt. Shenemen should explain his comments from yesterday. They do not get those kinds of warrants and vehicle impounds without physical evidence, they just do not.

God Bless Sandra and her family.
Are we going to find out what I feared, but actually this is worse then what I feared, this sounds like a child porn ring, checking out all these places  ::MonkeyWaa:: And God knows what else LE has discovered.

something so strange about them checking the hotel rooms....
Could just be me, but I'm thinking LE has stumbled onto something big. I sure wish we would hear something about Sandra today.

I for one am not going to be surprised if the guy that kissed her at the pool is not somehow involved in this.  and if it turns out he is, shame on everyone in that park that knew of this incident and did nothing about it!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 31, 2009, 11:09:28 AM
I dont even have words.

I try very hard not to be critical of LE, but if this is going the way we think, that makes all of us right all along, and Sgt. Shenemen should explain his comments from yesterday. They do not get those kinds of warrants and vehicle impounds without physical evidence, they just do not.

God Bless Sandra and her family.
Are we going to find out what I feared, but actually this is worse then what I feared, this sounds like a child porn ring, checking out all these places  ::MonkeyWaa:: And God knows what else LE has discovered.

something so strange about them checking the hotel rooms....
Could just be me, but I'm thinking LE has stumbled onto something big. I sure wish we would hear something about Sandra today.

I for one am not going to be surprised if the guy that kissed her at the pool is not somehow involved in this.  and if it turns out he is, shame on everyone in that park that knew of this incident and did nothing about it!
^^^^^^ right...and her mother as well if she knew about it....but do we know if anyone had a talk with this guy when the incident occurred...?? a talk at the very least...a threat would have been in order....
If it is the guy who kissed her, I am wondering why it took him 2 years to do something else with Sandra?  wonder what ever possessed him to kiss this child of 6 on her mouth? very inappropriate...Is this guy married?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 31, 2009, 11:10:18 AM
^^^^^^ Sandra was 6 at the time of the kiss...just to clarify..


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 31, 2009, 11:12:23 AM
I dont even have words.

I try very hard not to be critical of LE, but if this is going the way we think, that makes all of us right all along, and Sgt. Shenemen should explain his comments from yesterday. They do not get those kinds of warrants and vehicle impounds without physical evidence, they just do not.

God Bless Sandra and her family.
Are we going to find out what I feared, but actually this is worse then what I feared, this sounds like a child porn ring, checking out all these places  ::MonkeyWaa:: And God knows what else LE has discovered.

something so strange about them checking the hotel rooms....
Could just be me, but I'm thinking LE has stumbled onto something big. I sure wish we would hear something about Sandra today.

I for one am not going to be surprised if the guy that kissed her at the pool is not somehow involved in this.  and if it turns out he is, shame on everyone in that park that knew of this incident and did nothing about it!
I won't be either. I know if one of my girls would have had something like that happen, I sure would have went to the police. And I know me, we would have moved also, no doubt about it. Maybe the family didn't think that a middle age man kissing a six year old wasn't that big of deal? I just don't know what they might have been thinking. What scares me is what has this man all been doing?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: spring2 on March 31, 2009, 11:57:27 AM
I didn't get anything other than they are looking at the 2 guys.  I teased that she was a little slow with the info! I already knew that! haha


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 31, 2009, 11:59:38 AM
I didn't get anything other than they are looking at the 2 guys.  I teased that she was a little slow with the info! I already knew that! haha
Thanks  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 31, 2009, 12:13:54 PM
TRACY - After three full days of searching for 8-year-old Sandra Cantu and few clues, Tracy investigators reported their first major developments in the mysterious case late Monday:

Police reviewed surveillance video from businesses that surround the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park. Detectives scanned a list of hundreds of guests at nearby motels.

The more than 90 mobile homes in the park were searched at least twice, police said. Family members and park residents also were questioned, Sheneman said.

That includes one adult resident who allegedly kissed Sandra on the lips two years ago at the trailer park's pool, Sheneman said. That man, who was about 60 at the time, is being questioned and had not been named a suspect earlier in the day


When Sandra arrived home - around 4 p.m., according to a surveillance camera attached to her house - she talked about going to church and a movie with her two older sisters, her grandfather said.

When the girls realized they didn't have enough money to go to a movie, Sandra left again to play, Chavez said.

The video camera recorded her exit from the house. It was the last time Sandra was seen.
__________________


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: spring2 on March 31, 2009, 01:08:16 PM
KRON 4 just had a good bit about it on the news.  Mom pleading for her return.  It showed the Microtel across the street and there were semi trucks parked in the lot.  They said they are going over surveillance cameras to see if she got in any trucks.  There was just a press conference, and they said they would be back at 10:30 with more.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 01:20:15 PM
Thanks Spring!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2009, 01:26:10 PM
KRON 4 just had a good bit about it on the news.  Mom pleading for her return.  It showed the Microtel across the street and there were semi trucks parked in the lot.  They said they are going over surveillance cameras to see if she got in any trucks.  There was just a press conference, and they said they would be back at 10:30 with more.

Thanks Spring!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 31, 2009, 01:26:14 PM
Thanks Spring!
Yes, thanks for the info.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 01:32:39 PM
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090331/A_NEWS02/903310332/-1/A_NEWS

--snipped--

According to family, police and neighbors, this is what is known about Sandra's last moments before disappearing:

Jose Chavez, the girl's grandfather, said he picked Sandra up from school about 2:45 p.m. Friday and brought her home. Her mother, grandmother and three siblings were at the house, he said.

When she got home, Sandra left to play with a little girl named Kassandra in a home across the trailer park.

The girls played on a wooden swing tied to a tree in front of the house. They sat on the stoop and scribbled with crayons. They went inside and watched some of the movie "Flubber."

Then Kassandra told her mother, Maria Diaz, that Sandra had to go home to do homework, the 36-year-old mother told The Record.

When Sandra arrived home - around 4 p.m., according to a surveillance camera attached to her house - she talked about going to church and a movie with her two older sisters, her grandfather said.

When the girls realized they didn't have enough money to go to a movie, Sandra left again to play, Chavez said.

The video camera recorded her exit from the house. It was the last time Sandra was seen.




Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 01:37:34 PM
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090331/A_NEWS02/903310332/-1/A_NEWS

--snipped--

According to family, police and neighbors, this is what is known about Sandra's last moments before disappearing:

Jose Chavez, the girl's grandfather, said he picked Sandra up from school about 2:45 p.m. Friday and brought her home. Her mother, grandmother and three siblings were at the house, he said.

When she got home, Sandra left to play with a little girl named Kassandra in a home across the trailer park.

The girls played on a wooden swing tied to a tree in front of the house. They sat on the stoop and scribbled with crayons. They went inside and watched some of the movie "Flubber."
Then Kassandra told her mother, Maria Diaz, that Sandra had to go home to do homework, the 36-year-old mother told The Record.

When Sandra arrived home - around 4 p.m., according to a surveillance camera attached to her house - she talked about going to church and a movie with her two older sisters, her grandfather said.

When the girls realized they didn't have enough money to go to a movie, Sandra left again to play, Chavez said.

The video camera recorded her exit from the house. It was the last time Sandra was seen.




Quoting myself because the more I read this the more it doesnt make sense....at one point someone saw every little detail of what Sandra was doing then *poof* she was gone and no one saw anything??


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 31, 2009, 01:41:40 PM
I know Leroy, it isn't adding up.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: spring2 on March 31, 2009, 01:43:21 PM
I missed the 10:30 update  ::MonkeyConfused::  Sorry about that!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Edward on March 31, 2009, 01:43:58 PM
It looked like the army was showing up last night on the news.. There must have been more then 20 vehicles that entered the trailer park..

You would think they are on to something.. When they took off to raid a house in Tracy and then off to Oakdale which is about 60 miles away I was sure they had something..
But so far LE denies anything .. Just searching and interviewing people of interest.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 31, 2009, 01:49:55 PM
It looked like the army was showing up last night on the news.. There must have been more then 20 vehicles that entered the trailer park..

You would think they are on to something.. When they took off to raid a house in Tracy and then off to Oakdale which is about 60 miles away I was sure they had something..
But so far LE denies anything .. Just searching and interviewing people of interest.
It feels like they are close to finding out what has happened, at least I hope so.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 01:50:56 PM
It looked like the army was showing up last night on the news.. There must have been more then 20 vehicles that entered the trailer park..

You would think they are on to something.. When they took off to raid a house in Tracy and then off to Oakdale which is about 60 miles away I was sure they had something..
But so far LE denies anything .. Just searching and interviewing people of interest.

i hope Sheneman is right and Sandra is found alive and well....and SOON!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Edward on March 31, 2009, 01:53:40 PM
Four of the search warrants were served inside the mobile home park, and the others were served in Tracy and Oakdale (Stanislaus County), Sheneman said. All items collected during the searches were taken to an FBI laboratory in Sacramento for analysis, he said.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: spring2 on March 31, 2009, 01:54:30 PM
http://snipurl.com/ey0el

Mark Klaas speaking in the video.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Edward on March 31, 2009, 01:55:44 PM
Mr. Money has arrive to get his face on the news..  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 31, 2009, 01:56:39 PM
It looked like the army was showing up last night on the news.. There must have been more then 20 vehicles that entered the trailer park..

You would think they are on to something.. When they took off to raid a house in Tracy and then off to Oakdale which is about 60 miles away I was sure they had something..
But so far LE denies anything .. Just searching and interviewing people of interest.

They are. Thanks everyone for keeping on top of this. Do we know the space numbers for the homes that were searched?

Also, anyone seeing the name of the skeevey old dude? Id like to put that out there.  


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 31, 2009, 01:57:08 PM
Mr. Money has arrive to get his face on the news..  ::MonkeyRoll::


who?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 01:58:34 PM
Mr. Money has arrive to get his face on the news..  ::MonkeyRoll::


who?

yea, who???  LP????

(if so Blink.....God love ya!!!)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 31, 2009, 02:01:53 PM
http://snipurl.com/ey0el

Mark Klaas speaking in the video.

love that Mark Klaas...when he speaks, I listen always....He is usually right on with whatever he says....


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 31, 2009, 02:03:10 PM
Mr. Money has arrive to get his face on the news..  ::MonkeyRoll::


who?

yea, who???  LP????

(if so Blink.....God love ya!!!)

who who who? hope it is LP!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Edward on March 31, 2009, 02:07:14 PM
Mark..

jmho


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: RiverWalk on March 31, 2009, 02:15:19 PM
HLN:

Christian Sinclair was arrested (and released) for interfering with this investigation.

Neighbors are saying she was too friendly with all the neighbors.

2 POI are not under arrest and hopes "they won't take off"??????

Lots of evidence at the MH park and other residences are being processed by FBI.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 02:15:25 PM
It looked like the army was showing up last night on the news.. There must have been more then 20 vehicles that entered the trailer park..

You would think they are on to something.. When they took off to raid a house in Tracy and then off to Oakdale which is about 60 miles away I was sure they had something..
But so far LE denies anything .. Just searching and interviewing people of interest.

They are. Thanks everyone for keeping on top of this. Do we know the space numbers for the homes that were searched?

Also, anyone seeing the name of the skeevey old dude? Id like to put that out there. 

I dont think they have released it....check out this video....they give close-ups the license plates of the two cars towed...

http://www.ktvu.com/video/19054999/index.html



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 02:17:33 PM
HLN:

Christian Sinclair was arrested (and released) for interfering with this investigation.

Neighbors are saying she was too friendly with all the neighbors.

2 POI are not under arrest and hopes "they won't take off"??????

Lots of evidence at the MH park and other residences are being processed by FBI.

Thanks Riverwalk.  did that elaborate on this at all??? 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2009, 02:17:56 PM
I'm moving this to the high profile area where Caylee Anthony and Haleigh Cummings forum areas are. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 02:19:01 PM
I'm moving this to the high profile area where Caylee Anthony and Haleigh Cummings forum areas are. 


 ::MonkeyEek::  how do we move with you???  lol


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: RiverWalk on March 31, 2009, 02:21:17 PM
HLN:

Christian Sinclair was arrested (and released) for interfering with this investigation.

Neighbors are saying she was too friendly with all the neighbors.

2 POI are not under arrest and hopes "they won't take off"??????

Lots of evidence at the MH park and other residences are being processed by FBI.

That was all they said.  HLN repeats ALLLLLLLLLLL day long on the hour with updates too.  I'll sit here and watch for awhile.

Thanks Riverwalk.  did that elaborate on this at all??? 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2009, 02:22:00 PM
We are now moved - you guys moved along with it, LOL

If you click on this link you will see where we are.  You can also create new threads pertaining to this case if you would like.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=46.0


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 02:27:02 PM
HLN:

Christian Sinclair was arrested (and released) for interfering with this investigation.

Neighbors are saying she was too friendly with all the neighbors.

2 POI are not under arrest and hopes "they won't take off"??????

Lots of evidence at the MH park and other residences are being processed by FBI.

That was all they said.  HLN repeats ALLLLLLLLLLL day long on the hour with updates too.  I'll sit here and watch for awhile.

Thanks Riverwalk.  did that elaborate on this at all??? 

Riverwalk - thanks for the updates....i'm at work but usually turn on HLN when I get home at 5:30.

Klaas - thanks, found us!!! 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 31, 2009, 02:27:32 PM
can someone do a search on the license plates and get their names? they wouldn't tow cars away unless they had some idea that the vehicle was involved somehow or the owner of the vehicle?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Edward on March 31, 2009, 02:27:37 PM
Over the course of the weekend, dogs, equestrian teams, ATVs and a helicopter from the California Highway Patrol were brought in to search for Sandra in the town of 81,000 residents 70 miles south of Sacramento.

"Every dog team we could find was brought in," Sheneman said.

Divers were also brought in to search a river, miles from her home, but found nothing, he said.

In addition to local police and the FBI, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children has a team of retired law enforcement professionals, part of a program called "Team Adam," in Tracy helping both law enforcement and Sandra's family.

"The good news is, while few people believe it, most come home safely," the center's president, Ernie Allen, said of the 58,000 children who are reported missing annually.


There is always hope..


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 31, 2009, 02:28:10 PM
HLN:

Christian Sinclair was arrested (and released) for interfering with this investigation.

Neighbors are saying she was too friendly with all the neighbors.

2 POI are not under arrest and hopes "they won't take off"??????

Lots of evidence at the MH park and other residences are being processed by FBI.

That was all they said.  HLN repeats ALLLLLLLLLLL day long on the hour with updates too.  I'll sit here and watch for awhile.

Thanks Riverwalk.  did that elaborate on this at all??? 

Riverwalk - thanks for the updates....i'm at work but usually turn on HLN when I get home at 5:30.

Klaas - thanks, found us!!! 

who is this person?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 31, 2009, 02:31:27 PM
HLN:

Christian Sinclair was arrested (and released) for interfering with this investigation.

Neighbors are saying she was too friendly with all the neighbors.

2 POI are not under arrest and hopes "they won't take off"??????

Lots of evidence at the MH park and other residences are being processed by FBI.


He was not booked if he was

Thanks Riverwalk.  did that elaborate on this at all??? 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 02:31:51 PM
can someone do a search on the license plates and get their names? they wouldn't tow cars away unless they had some idea that the vehicle was involved somehow or the owner of the vehicle?

i've got my money on Blink for this....i have no clue how to that's why i pointed her in that direction...LOL


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 31, 2009, 02:32:35 PM
Yes, who is this Sinclair person? Thanks Klaas for moving this.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2009, 02:32:50 PM
can someone do a search on the license plates and get their names? they wouldn't tow cars away unless they had some idea that the vehicle was involved somehow or the owner of the vehicle?

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/carplate1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/carplate5.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/carplate3.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/carplate4.jpg)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 31, 2009, 02:35:51 PM
thanks Klaas for the close up on the license plates!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Edward on March 31, 2009, 02:41:19 PM
There is also a car on the tow truck..


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 02:47:43 PM
There are new developments in the disappearance of an 8-year-old girl in Tracy. Police are questioning two men and searching six different sites, including locations outside the girl's neighborhood.

Sandra Cantu was last seen late Friday afternoon in the mobile home park where she lives. Tracy Police say they're questioning two men who live in the Orchard Estates mobile home park.

A caravan of crime scene trucks and a flatbed tow truck entered the mobile home park around 8 p.m. Monday night. Tracy Police say they obtained search warrants for six locations including four mobile homes in the park, one undisclosed location in Tracy, and another in Oakdale. Police say the two men being questioned have lived in the park for several years and their names were mentioned among the more than 250 tips police received.

"We're looking for evidence that would lead to the discovery of Sandra's whereabouts. Evidence has been collected. I cannot list it until the warrant has been returned to the judge and then it will be up to the judge if we can release the information that's contained in the warrant and all of the items are returned," said Sgt. Tony Sheneman, from the Tracy Police Department.

The family of 8-year-old Sandra Cantu did not attend Monday night's vigil, which took place just about 50 yards from where investigators were combing the four homes. Earlier Monday, Sandra's mother told a national cable news show, that police came to the house and asked for Sandra's belongings. They took her chap stick, a brush, a toothbrush, and pillow cases.

Also on Monday night, at Jacobsen Elementary, where Sandra is a second grader, parents asked police questions. Many of them came to pick their children up from school instead of allowing them to ride the bus home.

Again, Tracy Police have issued search warrants to six locations including four homes in the park and they're questioning two men who live here, but still, no sign of 8-year-old Sandra Cantu.
There is a $7,000 reward to find the girl, but police still aren't calling this case an abduction.


(Copyright ©2009 KGO-TV/DT. All Rights Reserved.)

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=6735399


hmmmm, wonder why the family wasn't at the vigil?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: RiverWalk on March 31, 2009, 02:51:22 PM
I found a Sinclair on the same street??????

Conrad Sinclair

812 W Clover Rd
Tracy, CA 95376-1743
(209) ((edit))
Waiting for the next HLN update.  All the reporter said was Christian Sinclair was arrested and released for interferring with an investigation.  COULD be a neighbor?????


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 03:01:50 PM
Man who police say interfered with search arrested       
Written by Press staff     
Tuesday, 31 March 2009 
 

The arrest of the 49-year-old Orchard Estates resident was 'unrelated to the investigation' of the missing Sandra Cantu, 8.

A man was arrested, cited and released Monday on suspicion of interfering with police as officers searched for clues about Sandra Cantu, the 8-year-old Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park resident that disappeared Friday.

Orchard Estates resident Christian Sinclair, 49, was taken to the Tracy police department, arrested, fingerprinted, photographed, cited and released on the misdemeanor charge, said Sgt. Tony Sheneman, police spokesman.

 
Sheneman said Sinclair verbally badgered agents and officers as they searched a mobile home, Sheneman said. His arrest is “unrelated to the investigation” of the girl’s disappearance, the spokesman said.

Police searched four mobile homes in the park, a building in Tracy and another in Oakdale, police announced. What they found remains undisclosed, and the FBI is analyzing evidence, Sheneman said.

Sheneman would not say whether Sinclair is one of two “persons of interest” police have identified as the investigation into Sandra’s disappearance intensifies.

http://tracypress.com/content/view/17669/2268/

 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 31, 2009, 03:02:24 PM
I found a Sinclair on the same street??????

Conrad Sinclair

812 W Clover Rd
Tracy, CA 95376-1743
(209) ((edit))
Waiting for the next HLN update.  All the reporter said was Christian Sinclair was arrested and released for interferring with an investigation.  COULD be a neighbor?????
Thanks, and thanks to you Leroy for the latest link.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 31, 2009, 03:04:53 PM
thanks Klaas for the close up on the license plates!
One of the plates does not look like a CA plate to me.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 03:07:08 PM
what is wrong with people these days....what reason would you seriously have to badger an officer who is searching for a missing child?    ::MonkeyNoNo:: 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 31, 2009, 03:09:12 PM
I found a Sinclair on the same street??????

Conrad Sinclair

812 W Clover Rd
Tracy, CA 95376-1743
(209) ((edit))
Waiting for the next HLN update.  All the reporter said was Christian Sinclair was arrested and released for interferring with an investigation.  COULD be a neighbor?????

thats correct


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 31, 2009, 03:09:42 PM
why on earth would anyone badger a police officer during an investigation of finding a missing child? the world has gone mad!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 31, 2009, 03:10:27 PM
Leroy, we posted almost the same thing at the same time! ::MonkeyHaHa:: great minds think alike huh?
xxx


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: crumpet on March 31, 2009, 03:10:37 PM
thanks Klaas for the close up on the license plates!
One of the plates does not look like a CA plate to me.
That's a Wyoming plate on the white vehicle - Calif. plate on the Cadillac.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 03:11:11 PM
Leroy, we posted almost the same thing at the same time! ::MonkeyHaHa:: great minds think alike huh?
xxx

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   yeppers,  just saw that!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 03:18:10 PM
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=6738066

One of the two people of interest is a man named Chris Sinclair. FBI agents arrested him at his house Monday night on an unrelated matter. He says when it comes to the disappearance of Sandra Cantu, he is an innocent man.

Sinclair sat on his steps Tuesday, still dazed from his ordeal when FBI agents showed up at his house armed with search warrants and arrested him. He says he does not understand why.

"I actually had a couple of drinks. I was upset about all this stuff going on. I really don't know," he said.
"This person was interfering with the execution of the search warrant and was arrested for interfering and obstructing justice," explained Sgt. Tony Sheneman.

Sinclair told ABC7 he was held for a couple of hours.
"I got back here, noticed that both my cars were gone& I don't know. We're normally quiet people," he said.
Neighbors say just a half block away from Sinclair's house there was a lot of activity at a different house, when FBI agents swooped in.

"I didn't see anything they were taking out of the house. It was all covered in boxes and stuff. They towed the cars and everything," said witness Brandon Baughman.

Wayne Wallace has lived in the mobile home park for 25 years and says the disappearance of Sandra Cantu is taking a toll on residents. He told ABC 7 everyone seems to be scared.
"We had a vigil here last night with everybody trying to calm everybody down, but yeah they're nervous," he said.
With all the drama unfolding at the mobile home park, Sandra Cantu's family continues living in shock. Sandra's mother, grandmother and siblings can only wait and plead for her return.

"Whoever has her, just let her go. She needs to come home to her mom who loves her very much, misses her," said her mother Maria Chavez.

Tracy police say the investigation will go wherever the evidence seized Monday night takes it. The FBI was busy analyzing that evidence Tuesday morning.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 03:19:13 PM
so confilicting reports on this Sinclair guy....   ::MonkeyConfused:: 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: spring2 on March 31, 2009, 03:20:35 PM
so confilicting reports on this Sinclair guy....   ::MonkeyConfused:: 


Gotta love the reporters!!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 31, 2009, 03:21:02 PM
thanks Klaas for the close up on the license plates!
One of the plates does not look like a CA plate to me.
That's a Wyoming plate on the white vehicle - Calif. plate on the Cadillac.
Thanks, I thought so, but wasn't completely certain.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 31, 2009, 03:25:40 PM
so confilicting reports on this Sinclair guy....   ::MonkeyConfused:: 

conflicting in the respect that they said that he was arrested for an unrelated manner? then why did they tow both his cars?
I think that the police are onto something...does this Sinclair guy have an arrest record? age? anything else that anyone knows about him? was he friends/relative to the people living in the other house where activity also was going on last night?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 03:30:18 PM
so confilicting reports on this Sinclair guy....   ::MonkeyConfused:: 

conflicting in the respect that they said that he was arrested for an unrelated manner? then why did they tow both his cars?
I think that the police are onto something...does this Sinclair guy have an arrest record? age? anything else that anyone knows about him? was he friends/relative to the people living in the other house where activity also was going on last night?

he is 49 years old and i couldn't find any arrest records on him.

the latest aticle says he WAS one of the two POI's but still say his arrest was *unrelated* to Sandra's diappearance.....again, why tow his vehicles if it was not related. 

also, the last article made it sound like both of the vehicles that were towed were his?....but the plates are from 2 different states??  may be nothing other than wierd to me.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: RiverWalk on March 31, 2009, 03:32:46 PM
so confilicting reports on this Sinclair guy....   ::MonkeyConfused:: 

conflicting in the respect that they said that he was arrested for an unrelated manner? then why did they tow both his cars?
I think that the police are onto something...does this Sinclair guy have an arrest record? age? anything else that anyone knows about him? was he friends/relative to the people living in the other house where activity also was going on last night?

The search warrant(s) were specific to this case.  Had to be related in order to take his cars, imo.   I guess we'll see.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 31, 2009, 03:35:07 PM
so confilicting reports on this Sinclair guy....   ::MonkeyConfused:: 

conflicting in the respect that they said that he was arrested for an unrelated manner? then why did they tow both his cars?
I think that the police are onto something...does this Sinclair guy have an arrest record? age? anything else that anyone knows about him? was he friends/relative to the people living in the other house where activity also was going on last night?

he is 49 years old and i couldn't find any arrest records on him.

the latest aticle says he WAS one of the two POI's but still say his arrest was *unrelated* to Sandra's diappearance.....again, why tow his vehicles if it was not related. 

also, the last article made it sound like both of the vehicles that were towed were his?....but the plates are from 2 different states??  may be nothing other than wierd to me.
One is his and one is his significant others.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 31, 2009, 03:36:22 PM
So the significant other is from Wyoming?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 03:37:37 PM
so confilicting reports on this Sinclair guy....   ::MonkeyConfused:: 

conflicting in the respect that they said that he was arrested for an unrelated manner? then why did they tow both his cars?
I think that the police are onto something...does this Sinclair guy have an arrest record? age? anything else that anyone knows about him? was he friends/relative to the people living in the other house where activity also was going on last night?

he is 49 years old and i couldn't find any arrest records on him.

the latest aticle says he WAS one of the two POI's but still say his arrest was *unrelated* to Sandra's diappearance.....again, why tow his vehicles if it was not related. 

also, the last article made it sound like both of the vehicles that were towed were his?....but the plates are from 2 different states??  may be nothing other than wierd to me.
One is his and one is his significant others.

well that would make sense i suppose.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: crumpet on March 31, 2009, 03:45:50 PM
It looks like it belongs to a guy, though, with the ladder on top.  Painter, window washer, handyman, maybe.  He may have just failed to register the car in CA.  Where I live, I think you have thirty days.  Don't know if they can arrest him for it , though.  Probably not.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 31, 2009, 03:47:03 PM
I just sense that this is going to be much bigger than anyone expected. I feel very sick about this.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 31, 2009, 03:47:44 PM
so confilicting reports on this Sinclair guy....   ::MonkeyConfused:: 

conflicting in the respect that they said that he was arrested for an unrelated manner? then why did they tow both his cars?
I think that the police are onto something...does this Sinclair guy have an arrest record? age? anything else that anyone knows about him? was he friends/relative to the people living in the other house where activity also was going on last night?

his significant other being female or male? did it say that the persons of interest were males or females or both?

he is 49 years old and i couldn't find any arrest records on him.

the latest aticle says he WAS one of the two POI's but still say his arrest was *unrelated* to Sandra's diappearance.....again, why tow his vehicles if it was not related. 

also, the last article made it sound like both of the vehicles that were towed were his?....but the plates are from 2 different states??  may be nothing other than wierd to me.
One is his and one is his significant others.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2009, 03:48:46 PM
thanks Klaas for the close up on the license plates!
One of the plates does not look like a CA plate to me.
That's a Wyoming plate on the white vehicle - Calif. plate on the Cadillac.

Thanks Crumpet!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 31, 2009, 03:48:53 PM
so confilicting reports on this Sinclair guy....   ::MonkeyConfused:: 

conflicting in the respect that they said that he was arrested for an unrelated manner? then why did they tow both his cars?
I think that the police are onto something...does this Sinclair guy have an arrest record? age? anything else that anyone knows about him? was he friends/relative to the people living in the other house where activity also was going on last night?

his significant other being female or male? did it say that the persons of interest were males or females or both?

he is 49 years old and i couldn't find any arrest records on him.

the latest aticle says he WAS one of the two POI's but still say his arrest was *unrelated* to Sandra's diappearance.....again, why tow his vehicles if it was not related. 

also, the last article made it sound like both of the vehicles that were towed were his?....but the plates are from 2 different states??  may be nothing other than wierd to me.
One is his and one is his significant others.

sorry I messed that up....my question is in the red....


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 31, 2009, 03:50:08 PM
I'm curious about that also Cookie.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: crumpet on March 31, 2009, 03:50:50 PM
thanks Klaas for the close up on the license plates!
One of the plates does not look like a CA plate to me.
That's a Wyoming plate on the white vehicle - Calif. plate on the Cadillac.

Thanks Crumpet!

You're very welcome!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: RiverWalk on March 31, 2009, 04:07:43 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,511831,00.html


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 31, 2009, 04:09:34 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,511831,00.html
Thanks


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: RiverWalk on March 31, 2009, 04:17:32 PM
Just FYI


http://www.peoplefinders.com/search/searchpreview.aspx?CMP=Google&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=people%2bsearch&utm_campaign=people%2bsearch&mt=e&processed=1

Christian Sinclair is the son of Conrad and Sammie Sinclair that live in the same MH park.
SINCLAIR, CONRAD  LEE SR
Age: 76

Associated names:
SINCLAIR, C
SINCLAIR, C L

   TRACY, CA
MANTECA, CA
STOCKTON, CA
MODESTO, CA
SAN JOSE, CA

   
SINCLAIR, CAROLE  C (Age 51)
SINCLAIR, BRANDON  C (Age 69)
SINCLAIR, SAMMIE  LEE (Age 71)
SINCLAIR, CHRIS  P (Age 49)
SINCLAIR, CONRAD  LEE (Age 52)


http://www.denialofcare.org/media_coverage.htm

Scroll down to almost the bottom to a picture of Brandon Sinclair

Dec. 2004
A Tracy couple, Conrad and Sammie Sinclair, blamed their son Brandon's suicide last April on his struggles with an insurer over workers' comp benefits. "He was denied the
basic care you would give to an animal," Conrad Sinclair told reporters.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: cookie on March 31, 2009, 04:22:46 PM
River...very interesting...thank you for the info..


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2009, 04:26:08 PM
NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/03/31/sandra-cantu-missing-ca-girl-2-poi-being-questioned/

Sandra Cantu Missing CA Girl: 2 POI Being Questioned


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: RiverWalk on March 31, 2009, 04:32:29 PM
Leroy's post #235 was this
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=6738066

Click on the creepy guy in the video in case anyone missed it by just reading the article.
That's Chris Sinclair.  ICK.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2009, 04:39:28 PM
Probably a repeat but I'm posting anyway:

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=6738066

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/ChrisSinclair-1.jpg)

Evidence seized in case of missing girl

Tuesday, March 31, 2009 | 12:31 PM  By Terry McSweeneyTRACY, CA (KGO) -- Tracy police are investigating two persons of interest in the case of a missing 8-year-old girl. It has been almost four days since Sandra Cantu was last seen at the mobile home park where she lives.

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One of the two people of interest is a man named Chris Sinclair. FBI agents arrested him at his house Monday night on an unrelated matter. He says when it comes to the disappearance of Sandra Cantu, he is an innocent man.


Sinclair sat on his steps Tuesday, still dazed from his ordeal when FBI agents showed up at his house armed with search warrants and arrested him. He says he does not understand why.
"I actually had a couple of drinks. I was upset about all this stuff going on. I really don't know," he said.
"This person was interfering with the execution of the search warrant and was arrested for interfering and obstructing justice," explained Sgt. Tony Sheneman.
Sinclair told ABC7 he was held for a couple of hours.
"I got back here, noticed that both my cars were gone... I don't know. We're normally quiet people," he said.
Neighbors say just a half block away from Sinclair's house there was a lot of activity at a different house, when FBI agents swooped in.
"I didn't see anything they were taking out of the house. It was all covered in boxes and stuff. They towed the cars and everything," said witness Brandon Baughman.
Wayne Wallace has lived in the mobile home park for 25 years and says the disappearance of Sandra Cantu is taking a toll on residents. He told ABC 7 everyone seems to be scared.
"We had a vigil here last night with everybody trying to calm everybody down, but yeah they're nervous," he said.
With all the drama unfolding at the mobile home park, Sandra Cantu's family continues living in shock. Sandra's mother, grandmother and siblings can only wait and plead for her return.
"Whoever has her, just let her go. She needs to come home to her mom who loves her very much, misses her," said her mother Maria Chavez.
Tracy police say the investigation will go wherever the evidence seized Monday night takes it. The FBI was busy analyzing that evidence Tuesday morning.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 31, 2009, 04:46:33 PM
River...very interesting...thank you for the info..
Yes, thank-you


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 31, 2009, 04:49:44 PM
Just FYI


http://www.peoplefinders.com/search/searchpreview.aspx?CMP=Google&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=people%2bsearch&utm_campaign=people%2bsearch&mt=e&processed=1

Christian Sinclair is the son of Conrad and Sammie Sinclair that live in the same MH park.
SINCLAIR, CONRAD  LEE SR
Age: 76

Associated names:
SINCLAIR, C
SINCLAIR, C L

   TRACY, CA
MANTECA, CA
STOCKTON, CA
MODESTO, CA
SAN JOSE, CA

   
SINCLAIR, CAROLE  C (Age 51)
SINCLAIR, BRANDON  C (Age 69)
SINCLAIR, SAMMIE  LEE (Age 71)
SINCLAIR, CHRIS  P (Age 49)
SINCLAIR, CONRAD  LEE (Age 52)


http://www.denialofcare.org/media_coverage.htm

Scroll down to almost the bottom to a picture of Brandon Sinclair

Dec. 2004
A Tracy couple, Conrad and Sammie Sinclair, blamed their son Brandon's suicide last April on his struggles with an insurer over workers' comp benefits. "He was denied the
basic care you would give to an animal," Conrad Sinclair told reporters.



Excelent job Riverwalk, I was running down the plate owner as you typed, this, I included it in my post. Thanks


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 31, 2009, 04:49:53 PM
NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/03/31/sandra-cantu-missing-ca-girl-2-poi-being-questioned/

Sandra Cantu Missing CA Girl: 2 POI Being Questioned

Thanks, men's hair dye, and cutting off of hair... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 04:49:55 PM
Leroy's post #235 was this
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=6738066

Click on the creepy guy in the video in case anyone missed it by just reading the article.
That's Chris Sinclair.  ICK.

oh dear!  sorta explains alot!!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 04:54:17 PM
Thanks Blink!!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 31, 2009, 04:55:45 PM
So Brandon the one who commited suicide, had owned the vehicle with the Wyoming plates, so one would I guess assume that his brother Christian has been driving this vehicle.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 31, 2009, 04:56:57 PM
So Brandon the one who commited suicide, had owned the vehicle with the Wyoming plates, so one would I guess assume that his brother Christian has been driving this vehicle.   ::MonkeyConfused::

I dont know if owned the truck, but he did own the tag.   


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: jellybean on March 31, 2009, 04:57:24 PM
Does Sinclair live with his parents?? He said in the video that "she" was upset that the cars were towed. His mom?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 31, 2009, 04:59:27 PM
So Brandon the one who commited suicide, had owned the vehicle with the Wyoming plates, so one would I guess assume that his brother Christian has been driving this vehicle.   ::MonkeyConfused::

I dont know if owned the truck, but he did own the tag.   
Thanks, is he married do you know?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: RiverWalk on March 31, 2009, 05:01:35 PM
Sammie is his mom.  Searching to see who Carol (51) might be.  She could be a wife on one of the sons or a daughter?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 31, 2009, 05:04:56 PM
Sammie is his mom.  Searching to see who Carol (51) might be.  She could be a wife on one of the sons or a daughter?
Thanks, it looked like Chris was wearing a wedding ring.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Maven on March 31, 2009, 05:07:36 PM
NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/03/31/sandra-cantu-missing-ca-girl-2-poi-being-questioned/

Sandra Cantu Missing CA Girl: 2 POI Being Questioned

Thanks, men's hair dye, and cutting off of hair... ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thanks! oh this one does not sound good, hope I'm wrong and she's OK.

Prayers for Sandra


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 31, 2009, 05:12:56 PM
Here is a myspace for Sandra  http://www.myspace.com/findmissingsandra


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: RiverWalk on March 31, 2009, 05:18:10 PM
Here is a myspace for Sandra  http://www.myspace.com/findmissingsandra


That did me in. :(   BBL


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 31, 2009, 05:20:44 PM
Here is a myspace for Sandra  http://www.myspace.com/findmissingsandra


That did me in. :(   BBL
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to upset anyone.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 31, 2009, 05:29:38 PM
HLN showed the police Sgt who stated judge granted search warrant for 6 locations, 5 of which were in Tracy, 4 of which were located in the mobile home estate concerning two individuals and all associated vehicles.

Sorry if this may have been posted before.  Not fully caught up on this thread yet.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 05:33:21 PM
Here is a myspace for Sandra  http://www.myspace.com/findmissingsandra


That did me in. :(   BBL
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to upset anyone.

NoRose - personally you didn't....this is just sad that she has been gone so long with no info on where she is.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: pink angel on March 31, 2009, 05:33:47 PM
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=6738066

Baughman is the other individual who had his home searched and cars towed. He is interviewed in this video:


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on March 31, 2009, 05:38:24 PM
Hang on, mens' hair dye and evidence of cutting hair...Blink, they will be able to do a DNA match on the hair compared to her hairbrush or something  to see if it is Sandra's - any word or hint on that?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 31, 2009, 05:49:56 PM
Here is a myspace for Sandra  http://www.myspace.com/findmissingsandra


That did me in. :(   BBL
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to upset anyone.

no rose, that was a good find and info for us to learn from my dear friend, thats all.
I think we are all just raw and outraged yet again and it should not be. Pedos are the scum of the earth to me, I have stronger opinions than that that I will chew on for now.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 05:51:45 PM
Family Says Sondra Cantu was Abducted; Police Search Homes of Two Men as "Persons of Interest"
Created by Brian Shields on 3/31/2009 3:23:18 PM

TRACY (KRON) – Police and several volunteers are combing a river near a mobile home park in the hopes of finding missing 8-year-old Sandra Cantu.

Officials tell KRON 4’s Dan Kerman the only search warrant served in Tracy outside the mobile home park was at a business. The search warrant served in Oakdale was at a home.

--snipped--

http://www.kron.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/898/reftab/36/Default.aspx?t=Family-Says-Sondra-Cantu-was-Abducted;-Police-Search-Homes-of-Two-Men-as-Persons-of-Interest



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on March 31, 2009, 05:55:30 PM
Hang on, mens' hair dye and evidence of cutting hair...Blink, they will be able to do a DNA match on the hair compared to her hairbrush or something  to see if it is Sandra's - any word or hint on that?

They could of course, yes Cap, but I was under the impression it was related to a possible offender, not that it was her hair that was found. I think that is the more likely given the non issuance of the Amber Alert.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 31, 2009, 05:58:22 PM
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=6738066

Baughman is the other individual who had his home searched and cars towed. He is interviewed in this video:


Pink I am not sure on that, I am hearing conflicting reports. I think this kid was referring to the Sinclair residence, but I could be wrong. I am hearing the pool guys the second one, fwiw, I will let you know when I can confirm anything.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on March 31, 2009, 06:00:56 PM
Family Says Sondra Cantu was Abducted; Police Search Homes of Two Men as "Persons of Interest"
Created by Brian Shields on 3/31/2009 3:23:18 PM

TRACY (KRON) – Police and several volunteers are combing a river near a mobile home park in the hopes of finding missing 8-year-old Sandra Cantu.

Officials tell KRON 4’s Dan Kerman the only search warrant served in Tracy outside the mobile home park was at a business. The search warrant served in Oakdale was at a home.

--snipped--

http://www.kron.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/898/reftab/36/Default.aspx?t=Family-Says-Sondra-Cantu-was-Abducted;-Police-Search-Homes-of-Two-Men-as-Persons-of-Interest



I can't remember if I read it or saw it on the news that the Microtel was served a warrant for a list of their guests and surveillance tapes.  So that was probably the business they're talking about.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 31, 2009, 06:03:31 PM
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=6738066

Baughman is the other individual who had his home searched and cars towed. He is interviewed in this video:


Pink I am not sure on that, I am hearing conflicting reports. I think this kid was referring to the Sinclair residence, but I could be wrong. I am hearing the pool guys the second one, fwiw, I will let you know when I can confirm anything.
Well that would be no surprise if it is the pool guy, I hate to even think what this man has been up to, I could have sworn I read somewhere, that this pool man is a martial arts instructor. Now I see, the cutting of the hair and dye was not Sandra.  Pink, I thought I read, and again I don't know where that this last name of Baughman, there are actually two men with that last name.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on March 31, 2009, 06:09:45 PM
Hang on, mens' hair dye and evidence of cutting hair...Blink, they will be able to do a DNA match on the hair compared to her hairbrush or something  to see if it is Sandra's - any word or hint on that?

They could of course, yes Cap, but I was under the impression it was related to a possible offender, not that it was her hair that was found. I think that is the more likely given the non issuance of the Amber Alert.

Ooooo concealing the perp identity...o boy this is not looking good


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Blink34 on March 31, 2009, 06:11:23 PM
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=6738066

Baughman is the other individual who had his home searched and cars towed. He is interviewed in this video:


Pink I am not sure on that, I am hearing conflicting reports. I think this kid was referring to the Sinclair residence, but I could be wrong. I am hearing the pool guys the second one, fwiw, I will let you know when I can confirm anything.
Well that would be no surprise if it is the pool guy, I hate to even think what this man has been up to, I could have sworn I read somewhere, that this pool man is a martial arts instructor. Now I see, the cutting of the hair and dye was not Sandra.  Pink, I thought I read, and again I don't know where that this last name of Baughman, there are actually two men with that last name.  ::MonkeyConfused::

he is a martial arts dude I believe, but again not sure


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on March 31, 2009, 06:14:04 PM
Just how many pedies live in that vicinity, did I read early on the number 80?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 06:18:41 PM
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17666/2268/

Man who kissed missing girl questioned   
Written by Jennifer Wadsworth     
Monday, 30 March 2009 

  (http://tracypress.com/images/stories/March_2009/0328missingchildsearch4.jpg)
A man who lived in a trailer behind the one in which Sandra Cantu lives has been questioned three times by police, but he's no more a suspect now than anyone else, investigators say.


Police have questioned a martial arts instructor three times about his alleged sexual interaction two years ago with an 8-year-old Tracy girl missing since Friday.

Police and the family have confirmed that the man — whose name and age police, family and neighbors withheld — had reportedly kissed Sandra Cantu on the lips while she was swimming in the mobile home park’s pool two years ago. Sandra's 15-year-old brother Thomas Fortin suggested he might be in his 40s or 50s.


The man lives behind the home of Sandra, who was last seen around 4 p.m. Friday before the family reported her missing. More than 73 hours have passed since then.

No one answered the door today at the man’s trailer, and neighbors declined to disclose his name. He is not a registered sex offender, according to the California Department of Justice. In fact, the department lists that no registered sex offenders live in the mobile home park. Police already interviewed all the area’s registrants.

Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman said police have questioned the middle-aged man along with everyone else in Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, where the little girl lives with her mother and grandparents. Sheneman said police have come up with no suspects so far and still no evidence that the Jacobson Elementary School second-grader was kidnapped.

“It’s still a missing person’s case,” Sheneman said at an afternoon press conference. “There is no evidence that it’s an abduction.”



Fliers of the missing girl have been posted all over town. Glenn Moore/Tracy PressThe family said they have no suspicions about any one person just now, but that like the police, they haven’t ruled anyone out.

Sandra’s mother Maria Chavez talked at length to investigators again today, and begged the public via national and local TV newscasts to help her find her daughter. For the most part, the family has sheltered themselves inside their home from the media frenzy today, stepping out for a couple interviews later in the afternoon.

Meanwhile, the entire mobile home park has turned into a crime scene. Armed detectives wander the narrow streets and talk to everyone who enters the park. Tracy police stood guard at the park entrance and searched the cars of anyone who drove through.

Still, federal, state, county and city investigators have yet to turn up any clues leading to the girl’s whereabouts. Police did say today that they got about 150 tips, some of them credible, and that they have yet to go through all the surveillance tapes from nearby businesses, including a motel across the street from the mobile home park’s only entrance.

A volunteer search and rescue worker on Sunday found a bottle of hair dye, which she told police about. Police said they don’t know yet if that means anything.

Police said they’re confident that Sandra’s alive because they have no reason yet to believe otherwise. Searchers continued their hunt in the city’s southern side, between 11th Street and Interstate-580 today, but by this evening had learned nothing new about Sandra’s disappearance, Sheneman said.

A search of the four square miles around Sandra’s home turned up nothing by the third day of her disappearance, police said.

Sheneman said investigators worry about the mobile home park’s proximity to Interstate 205, because if someone picked up Sandra they could have taken her anywhere.

Still, Tracy police said the search extends no farther than Tracy’s rural edge. But police from other cities have joined to help, including some from Livermore and Modesto.

That brings the count up to 18 agencies that have helped in the search, including the FBI.
Local police said they can keep up the search and still juggle daily patrols because the department has gotten so much help from outside investigators.

“It’s an 8-year-old girl who’s been missing for three days,” Sheneman said. “That’s an exceptional case … we’re not going to wind down.”

Hundreds of volunteers have helped out, too, though many of them who joined the search during the weekend had to go back to work today.

Evidence of volunteer work outside the search can be seen around town, though.

Hundreds of missing-person posters are plastered around Tracy, on car windows, businesses, utility poles and at schools. A couple print shops in town have donated free color posters for volunteers to post today. The new posters show a more recent photo of Sandra with lighter brown hair.

Anyone with information about Sandra’s whereabouts is encouraged to call Tracy police at 831-4550, Tracy Crimestoppers at 831-6847 or The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children at 800-843-5678.

The FBI, the Tracy Crimestoppers and the private nonprofit Carole Sund/Carrington Foundation have offered a combined $7,000 reward for information leading to Sandra’s whereabouts.
 


NoRose - you are correct according to this...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 06:19:43 PM
Just how many pedies live in that vicinity, did I read early on the number 80?

i recall that number as well.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2009, 06:21:00 PM
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17670/2268/

Target of search says kiss was innocent   
Written by Justin Lafferty     
Tuesday, 31 March 2009 
 

In aftermath of an FBI and police mobile home and business search Monday, a martial arts instructor said today he was trying to be nice when he kissed Sandra Cantu two years ago.

(http://tracypress.com/images/stories/0331wohlerfile3.jpg)

Frank Wohler at his martial arts dojo.

Tracy martial arts instructor who had his home and business searched Monday night said today that he was “just trying to be nice” when he kissed the missing 8-year-old Sandra Cantu on the lips two years ago.

Frank Wohler, 60, who runs the Delta Kajukenbo School of Self-Defense, had his office at 4220 Commercial Drive searched by at least four people at about 7:30 p.m. Monday night.

Tracy police and FBI agents were at Wohler’s home in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park when he arrived home Monday evening, staying until about midnight, he said.

Wohler said they took CDs containing pictures and his cell phone from his office and several items from his home that he declined to identify.

“The FBI can do what they want, when they want, because they’ve got all the means,” Wohler said.

He said he knew Sandra and that the girl would come over to his yard occasionally, asking if he needed help with small jobs around the garden.

When asked after Wohler finished teaching a martial arts class today about a report that he kissed Sandra at the mobile swimming pool two years ago, he said, “Yeah, it was me. We were in the pool, and I was just trying to be nice.”

Then he added, “I don’t think I should talk to you anymore.”


Sandra Cantu, 8. Wohler’s martial arts school has been a fixture in Tracy for years, having started in 1992 on an 11th Street storefront, he said, before he moved to a space on Commercial Drive in 2005. He got his business license in 1998, records show.

In 2005, Delta Kajukenbo won a third-place “Best of Tracy” award in the martial arts school category voted on by Tracy Press readers. The school pulled in a second place award in 2006, a first-place award in 2007 and third place last year.

The school has classes for martial arts students of all ages, Monday through Friday.

FBI agents and police have interviewed parents of Wolher’s students in recent days, said one parent who asked not to be identified. Several have asked if they should take their children out of the school, the parents said.

Larry Rubio, who earned his black belt under Wohler last year, said he’s surprised at the news that Wohler has been questioned.

“I know this is all allegation, but I’m definitely shocked,” he said. “It’s just been a shock to me and my family.”

Police have said there are two “persons of interest” in the case, though they divulge no names. Sgt. Tony Sheneman would not identify Wohler as a one of the two “persons of interest.”

Besides Wohler’s home, three others were searched in the mobile home park Monday evening, and a house in Oakdale was searched as well.
 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on March 31, 2009, 06:22:24 PM
Just how many pedies live in that vicinity, did I read early on the number 80?

i recall that number as well.

Sweet Jesus!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 06:24:22 PM
Hey Mr. Wohler,  I dont care what excuse you give,
you're still a sick-o   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on March 31, 2009, 06:38:22 PM
Hey Mr. Wohler,  I dont care what excuse you give,
you're still a sick-o   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

Shocking, a person in a position to be around kids, both at work and at home, and he's a perv. I could wretch.
To be nice? Kissed a 6 year old child on the mouth to be nice? What concerns me is I dont think there is any connection between him and Sinclair other than logistics and Sinclair's cars were impounded and his were not.

I'll betcha 5 bananas I can tell you what they took out of his office and it contains images no adult man should have


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 06:43:55 PM
Hey Mr. Wohler,  I dont care what excuse you give,
you're still a sick-o   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

Shocking, a person in a position to be around kids, both at work and at home, and he's a perv. I could wretch.
To be nice? Kissed a 6 year old child on the mouth to be nice? What concerns me is I dont think there is any connection between him and Sinclair other than logistics and Sinclair's cars were impounded and his were not.

I'll betcha 5 bananas I can tell you what they took out of his office and it contains images no adult man should have

kinda makes ya wonder what else he's done "just to be nice"! 

what is sad is it sounds like he had a successful business going for him....i hope nothing hinky was going on at his office!

and with ya on what they took....no wonder he declined to comment.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 31, 2009, 06:49:05 PM
Hey Mr. Wohler,  I dont care what excuse you give,
you're still a sick-o   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 
OMG I agree, what an excuse  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 31, 2009, 06:53:44 PM
Hey Mr. Wohler,  I dont care what excuse you give,
you're still a sick-o   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

Shocking, a person in a position to be around kids, both at work and at home, and he's a perv. I could wretch.
To be nice? Kissed a 6 year old child on the mouth to be nice? What concerns me is I dont think there is any connection between him and Sinclair other than logistics and Sinclair's cars were impounded and his were not.

I'll betcha 5 bananas I can tell you what they took out of his office and it contains images no adult man should have
What I am wondering is how this connects to his home and three others in the park, and another house in Tracy, and another in Oakland, I know what I'm thinking, some kind of, for lack of a better word, swapping of pictures of children amongst each other. I have this feeling this is what is going on, IMO.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on March 31, 2009, 06:57:31 PM
Hey Mr. Wohler,  I dont care what excuse you give,
you're still a sick-o   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

Shocking, a person in a position to be around kids, both at work and at home, and he's a perv. I could wretch.
To be nice? Kissed a 6 year old child on the mouth to be nice? What concerns me is I dont think there is any connection between him and Sinclair other than logistics and Sinclair's cars were impounded and his were not.

I'll betcha 5 bananas I can tell you what they took out of his office and it contains images no adult man should have

kinda makes ya wonder what else he's done "just to be nice"! 

what is sad is it sounds like he had a successful business going for him....i hope nothing hinky was going on at his office!

and with ya on what they took....no wonder he declined to comment.

It makes me just wanna open up a legal castration clinic! 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 07:00:41 PM

It makes me just wanna open up a legal castration clinic!  [/color]

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on March 31, 2009, 07:04:55 PM
Hey Mr. Wohler,  I dont care what excuse you give,
you're still a sick-o   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

Shocking, a person in a position to be around kids, both at work and at home, and he's a perv. I could wretch.
To be nice? Kissed a 6 year old child on the mouth to be nice? What concerns me is I dont think there is any connection between him and Sinclair other than logistics and Sinclair's cars were impounded and his were not.

I'll betcha 5 bananas I can tell you what they took out of his office and it contains images no adult man should have

I'll toss in ten jail house twinkies!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on March 31, 2009, 07:07:47 PM
Hey Mr. Wohler,  I dont care what excuse you give,
you're still a sick-o   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

Shocking, a person in a position to be around kids, both at work and at home, and he's a perv. I could wretch.
To be nice? Kissed a 6 year old child on the mouth to be nice? What concerns me is I dont think there is any connection between him and Sinclair other than logistics and Sinclair's cars were impounded and his were not.

I'll betcha 5 bananas I can tell you what they took out of his office and it contains images no adult man should have

kinda makes ya wonder what else he's done "just to be nice"! 

what is sad is it sounds like he had a successful business going for him....i hope nothing hinky was going on at his office!

and with ya on what they took....no wonder he declined to comment.

It makes me just wanna open up a legal castration clinic! 
  I would support that. I dont care who thinks differently, there is no such thing as a rehabilitated pedophile. If they act out once, they will do it until they are caught or worse. I think the law is far too lenient on these freaks.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: RiverWalk on March 31, 2009, 07:21:30 PM
I was going to post the same link.  Glad you guys already had it.

I was just upset from all the missing kids not anything posted or said here. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on March 31, 2009, 07:39:34 PM
Just how many pedies live in that vicinity, did I read early on the number 80?


RSO Map

(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/helpfindthemissing/HFTM/SO.jpg)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 31, 2009, 08:32:58 PM
 
 My understanding that all 6 locations searched were in relation to the 2 POIs, is that right?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 08:50:58 PM

 My understanding that all 6 locations searched were in relation to the 2 POIs, is that right?


that is my understanding as well.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on March 31, 2009, 08:54:09 PM

 My understanding that all 6 locations searched were in relation to the 2 POIs, is that right?

We would have to know how many actual warrants were issued and if they were primary or secondary.

I tend to think they are, and I tend to think they have found some physical evidence. Those cars have to be field tested first, presence of hemoglobin under black light and positive for proteins associated with human blood if not both, or they would not have taken them the way that they did.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on March 31, 2009, 08:57:21 PM
DID YOU SEE??

Better than nothin' ole friend Leonard put up $10K for safe return of Sandra!!!!

Thanks Leonard, like him or not he is a man of his word.

B


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 31, 2009, 08:57:45 PM

 My understanding that all 6 locations searched were in relation to the 2 POIs, is that right?

We would have to know how many actual warrants were issued and if they were primary or secondary.

I tend to think they are, and I tend to think they have found some physical evidence. Those cars have to be field tested first, presence of hemoglobin under black light and positive for proteins associated with human blood if not both, or they would not have taken them the way that they did.
Thanks


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 31, 2009, 08:58:39 PM
DID YOU SEE??

Better than nothin' ole friend Leonard put up $10K for safe return of Sandra!!!!

Thanks Leonard, like him or not he is a man of his word.

B
That was very kind of Leonard.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 08:59:51 PM
Hundreds Of Tips Pour In For Missing Girl
Sandra Cantu Last Seen In Mobile Home Park
POSTED: 4:23 pm PDT March 31, 2009
UPDATED: 5:04 pm PDT March 31, 2009


TRACY, Calif. -- Hundreds of tips have been pouring into the Tracy Police Department about an 8-year-old girl missing since Friday.

Officers are also working around the clock in an effort to find Sandra Cantu, who was last seen walking in Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park.

There are 150 to 200 people working on the case, Lt. Jeremy Watney said. Officers are working 12-hour shifts and putting vacation days on hold to accommodate the investigation.

A reward for information leading to Cantu's return has grown to $7,000.

The girl was last seen Friday afternoon walking from her home to a friend's home within the park, located just off West Clover Road.

Authorities have searched five properties in Tracy -- including four mobile homes in the park -- as well as a location in Oakdale.

Anyone with information may call the Tracy Police Department at 209-831-4550. Investigators said anyone wishing to donate money for the reward fund may call police.

Three cars were seized in the investigation, police said.

Watney said one tipster claimed he may have seen Cantu's father, Daniel Cantu, and that he may have taken the girl to Mexico.

There's nothing to indicate the girl is in Mexico, police said, but it's unclear if Daniel Cantu is still in the area. He told officials that he may not be going back to work in Southern California.


Police are looking at everybody involved in the case, Watney said, and family members have not been dismissed. Nobody has been cleared in the case, police said.

Officials are focusing their search on two men who live in the mobile home park where Sandra Cantu lives, authorities said earlier in the day.

Frank Wohler, a martial arts professor at Delta Kajukenbo who lives in the park, said he had no part in the disappearance.

Wohler admitted that two years ago after he moved to the park, he kissed Sandra Cantu on the lips because, "I was trying to be nice."

Officials took some items from Wohler's home, but it's unclear what they were.

It's unknown if Wohler is one of the persons of interest.

Sandra Cantu is 4 feet tall, weighs 45 pounds and has brown hair and brown eyes. She was wearing a pink Hello Kitty T-shirt and black leggings.
Copyright 2009 by KCRA.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be

http://www.kcra.com/news/19059082/detail.html



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 09:00:53 PM
DID YOU SEE??

Better than nothin' ole friend Leonard put up $10K for safe return of Sandra!!!!

Thanks Leonard, like him or not he is a man of his word.

B

oh my gosh that is great!  i'm just now seeing it on NG (i'm a bit behind...lol).


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 31, 2009, 09:07:11 PM
Watney said one tipster claimed he may have seen Cantu's father, Daniel Cantu, and that he may have taken the girl to Mexico.

There's nothing to indicate the girl is in Mexico, police said, but it's unclear if Daniel Cantu is still in the area. He told officials that he may not be going back to work in Southern California.
I can't imagine he had anything to do with this, since he had to come from So Cal to go up to No Cal to be there with the family. And I thought I read that the dad didn't have much to do with Sandra's upbringing.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on March 31, 2009, 09:16:41 PM
Watney said one tipster claimed he may have seen Cantu's father, Daniel Cantu, and that he may have taken the girl to Mexico.

There's nothing to indicate the girl is in Mexico, police said, but it's unclear if Daniel Cantu is still in the area. He told officials that he may not be going back to work in Southern California.
I can't imagine he had anything to do with this, since he had to come from So Cal to go up to No Cal to be there with the family. And I thought I read that the dad didn't have much to do with Sandra's upbringing.  ::MonkeyConfused::

I dont believe the family has anything to do with her disappearance in this case. If Milstead and George roll up with the mobile billboard I am boarding a plane, I just cant take it anymore.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 31, 2009, 09:32:50 PM
Watney said one tipster claimed he may have seen Cantu's father, Daniel Cantu, and that he may have taken the girl to Mexico.

There's nothing to indicate the girl is in Mexico, police said, but it's unclear if Daniel Cantu is still in the area. He told officials that he may not be going back to work in Southern California.
I can't imagine he had anything to do with this, since he had to come from So Cal to go up to No Cal to be there with the family. And I thought I read that the dad didn't have much to do with Sandra's upbringing.  ::MonkeyConfused::

I dont believe the family has anything to do with her disappearance in this case. If Milstead and George roll up with the mobile billboard I am boarding a plane, I just cant take it anymore.
OMG, and their new boat, for searches in the river.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on March 31, 2009, 09:33:35 PM
At this point, I would LOVE to hear that she is in Mexico.  That beats all kinds of horrible alternatives  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on March 31, 2009, 09:44:54 PM

It makes me just wanna open up a legal castration clinic!  [/color]

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Why does it have to be a legal castration clinic?  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on March 31, 2009, 09:50:20 PM
Also did anyone hear on NG that Daniel Horowitz (?) said that he would defend the person who took Sandra no matter what they were guilty of as long as they returned her alive....pro bono...

all kinds of nice offers of help...including LP....I thought of you right away Blinks!!!!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 31, 2009, 09:53:11 PM
Also did anyone hear on NG that Daniel Horowitz (?) said that he would defend the person who took Sandra no matter what they were guilty of as long as they returned her alive....pro bono...

all kinds of nice offers of help...including LP....I thought of you right away Blinks!!!!
Yes I heard that.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on March 31, 2009, 10:05:16 PM
Also did anyone hear on NG that Daniel Horowitz (?) said that he would defend the person who took Sandra no matter what they were guilty of as long as they returned her alive....pro bono...

all kinds of nice offers of help...including LP....I thought of you right away Blinks!!!!

yep, i heard that too and thought it was pretty cool.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on March 31, 2009, 10:33:23 PM
DID YOU SEE??

Better than nothin' ole friend Leonard put up $10K for safe return of Sandra!!!!

Thanks Leonard, like him or not he is a man of his word.

B

God bless him & yes he is....not too mention he doesnt shy away from admitting when he is wrong, which he has openly.   Ive gotten to know him a tad as some of you may already know.   Not everyone has to like him but I sure do give him kudos when he deserves them. & he's got my respect for having heart...as he always responds when I say something positive, YOU BETCHA!

He gave a reward with a time deadline for Haleigh as well.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on March 31, 2009, 10:35:37 PM
DID YOU SEE??

Better than nothin' ole friend Leonard put up $10K for safe return of Sandra!!!!

Thanks Leonard, like him or not he is a man of his word.

B

God bless him & yes he is....not too mention he doesnt shy away from admitting when he is wrong, which he has openly.   Ive gotten to know him a tad as some of you may already know.   Not everyone has to like him but I sure do give him kudos when he deserves them. & he's got my respect for having heart...as he always responds when I say something positive, YOU BETCHA!

He gave a reward with a time deadline for Haleigh as well.

Yep....I think that his heart is in the right place...glad that he showed up down there...He also comes up with some news that we are not privvy to...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on March 31, 2009, 10:51:21 PM
It also should be noted that Daniel Horowitz's offer, while very unique was very generous as well.    Imagine that a defense attorney pleading for the safe return of a child in exchange of pro bono representation.    Gotta say in all my years, that is indeed a first.  Thank you Daniel!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on March 31, 2009, 11:18:39 PM
Good Evening Monkeys
I tried to skim through all the posts on Sandra.
I am baffled yet again with this no Amber alert ..put out immediately.
Any Child that is reported missing should not be on check list..hmm lets see
should or shouldn't we ... Hmmm - What's the worse thing that could happen?
I read somewhere that there are actually BOLO's .. put out.
Be on the look out !  anything would have helped in this Case when she first went missing.
Why do the LE keep saying that is not and Abduction .. That's false and misleading within itself .. So what does that mean.. that looking for Sandra is non-priority for others/public to look for her at all times  ..I do not understand this " not an abduction" term. Does that mean LE knows something and not yet releasing it to the public?

The other thing that keeps going in my head and maybe another Monkey mentioned - Her Size. 4 feet tall and 45lbs. She must be a dinky little girl. Her photos she looks healthy ... but wow. She must be really petite. Why I mention that is because I wonder if someone thought she was Younger than she really is ... because her small size.
http://www.annecollins.com/weight-chart-children-girls.htm

The BUM Freak that Kissed her ... If I found out that happened when it happened and that was my little Girl .. he may have found himself in the ER that night.

These Manufactured Home community's seem to be clutches for for undesirables. I know that we have many in our local area and they all vary from degree to degree from Community to community.
Some are very well maintained and the Homes actually have basements...then they go to the worst of the worst where you see the Orange outdoor electrical cords plugged in ..to an outlet on post ..near by.
I myself at one time was looking at them. Found though in the community itself there were over 40 sex offenders as residents... so Me said Oh hell no. Not my Kid.

Between the payment on the home/lot rent - they equal a mortgage. I do know that a Manufactured home is not considered property as if you did purchase a house, the property itself does not belong to you. It is considered an asset. A depreciating one at that. So they suck people in and get them to pay High high %'s on loans .. Its quite the cash cow for the owners of the property/land/park/community - They should have surveillance camera's on the playgrounds and within the pools ... you would think. 

With Sandra's Granpa installing the Camera on the outside of the house ... I wonder why? I understand it was for Safety ..but usually people do not install cameras like that - Until after something happens.. wonder what made him install the camera? Or "who" was the reason why it was installed. Was someone bothering Mom?
Mom on one interview I saw Not this one below, understandably distraught, seemed to be slow in answering questions and maybe even not all there? possibly medicated ?? I am not trying to be mean or poking at the Mom its just my observation.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/29970509#29970509

On this video here. If you notice within the first few seconds you see a LE officer in a Doorway of a Home and it has Bars on the Door .. that usually means crime ..is prevalent. Mom answers the question about the Camera that " her father" installed - Was there a reason for the camera? Safety issue within your community ?
Mom says I thought it was save Over there ... Does Sandra live with MOM? Or Does Sandra live with her Grandparents .. her remark came to me that there is some disconnect in the family ...
Very strange that this little one Went Poof Missing and No One saw anything. I know by living in Apartments for over ten my years myself .. You get used to the same kids running about the community and pool .. and they tell you their Name and say HI and keep running and playing. And you Watch them. You see them and You watch out for them. I have even yelled at some. Get out of the parking lot .. Your going to get hurt. Go play on the grass. yadda.

She is a beautiful little girl. That is for sure.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
I hope she is found and soon.


 









Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A's Fever on April 01, 2009, 01:33:42 AM
I am curious about the house in Oakdale that was searched.  Is there any way to find out if either of the two POIs own a house in Oakdale, CA?  Maybe some smart monkey knows how to find out?! 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 01, 2009, 08:06:49 AM
I wouldn't read too much into FIL putting camera in.
My ex SIL put a camera outside at one point due to vandalism. They had a yard channel at one point. Who's at the door ? Turn to channel 100. Was there when he did it, it was easy for him and it was done in less than 1/2 an hour.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 01, 2009, 08:15:37 AM
Did Sandra's dad flee to Mexico after cashing a check?

Updates at the end:
www.blinkoncrime.com

Yes Capp, I am a fan of Dan Horowitz, who as a criminal defense attorney, experienced the worst kind of criminal act, the murder of his beloved wife.





Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 01, 2009, 08:37:33 AM
Did Sandra's dad flee to Mexico after cashing a check?

Updates at the end:
www.blinkoncrime.com

Yes Capp, I am a fan of Dan Horowitz, who as a criminal defense attorney, experienced the worst kind of criminal act, the murder of his beloved wife.



Blinks.....IIRC...that was really bizarre how that all went down.....the neighbor kid was using their mailing address for some unsavory behavior and Pamela was onto him right?
It was a brutal murder......
I too am a fan of Dan H....he is a good man.
I wonder if he ever finished their home that they were building at the time of her death...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: TxLady2 on April 01, 2009, 08:54:10 AM
Blink, thanks for keeping up with this and other cases. I bookmarked your site.
Kudos to LP for the reward money, and to Daniel H. for his generous offer.
I don't understand why LE would not consider this to be an abduction. Do they believe she went willingly with someone?
Also, this martial arts instructor needs to be looked at VERY closely. "I don't think I should talk to you anymore.." WTH??!! Yeah, buddy, you should talk... and keep talking!!
He might be totally not involved, but still......!
Praying for this little girl to be brought home safe and well.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 01, 2009, 09:10:30 AM
Blink, thanks for keeping up with this and other cases. I bookmarked your site.
Kudos to LP for the reward money, and to Daniel H. for his generous offer.
I don't understand why LE would not consider this to be an abduction. Do they believe she went willingly with someone?
Also, this martial arts instructor needs to be looked at VERY closely. "I don't think I should talk to you anymore.." WTH??!! Yeah, buddy, you should talk... and keep talking!!
He might be totally not involved, but still......!
Praying for this little girl to be brought home safe and well.

Thanks guys. I agree the PIO Shenemen is not helping in his comments. I am rarely critical of LE, and even that it has to be something egregious, but saying they believe she will be returned alive and well and that she was not kidnapped due to their be no evidence to the contrary, imo is irresponsible to the family and the community who literally have  a predator among them. Conversely, you dont want to start a panic.. But I think there is better dialog to address both those issues.

Lastly, the issue of SO's databases, the concentration of them in public housing and the consistency of state's reporting needs to be addressed at a Federal level, imo . Maybe then somebody can explain to me how it is ok to have an at risk predatory offender's address listed as homeless or transient???


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 01, 2009, 09:20:45 AM
Next press conference for Sandra Cantu search is today at 10am PST. If I do not get it here, can Spring or Edward clue us in? 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 01, 2009, 09:28:12 AM
Search for Tracy girl stalls
Police have no evidence second-grader abducted

TRACY - Phones rang with hundreds of tips and investigators continued to sift through evidence gathered in a Monday evening raid in town.

But as yet another day passed, Tracy police on Tuesday offered no indication they are any closer to finding missing 8-year-old Sandra Cantu.

A video camera recorded Sandra leaving her home about 4 p.m. Friday in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, in the 800 block of West Clover Road, police said. She hasn't been seen since.
Four days after her family reported her missing, police maintained they have no evidence the second-grader was abducted - or that she is even alive.

"At this point, really, it is wide open, as far as what might have happened," to the little girl, Tracy police Lt. Jeremy Watney said.

The case of the missing second-grader, who vanished Friday afternoon from the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park on West Clover Road, continued to attract national attention as few clues to her whereabouts were revealed.

Increased scrutiny also began to fall on the two men investigators have questioned - but have not named suspects - in connection with the girl's disappearance.

Police refuse to confirm their identities or discuss any evidence collected from their cars and homes, which were searched late Monday.

But Frank Wohler will freely admit he's been questioned. He also says police searched his office and his home in the trailer park.

Wohler even acknowledges he kissed Sandra two years ago, when she was 6 years old, as they swam at the mobile home park they both call home.

He called it harmless affection.

"We were in the pool. Impulsive," the 59-year-old said Tuesday from his martial arts studio. "I was trying to be nice."

Wohler said investigators took his cell phone, various records and other items he declined to specify.

"They're trying to eliminate me" as a suspect, he said before ending the interview to go teach a class of children. "I'm used to being friendly with my students. No child or anything has ever been in my home."


Jose Chavez, the girl's grandfather, said the family told police about the kiss. When asked if police followed up on the report, he replied: "Not to my knowledge. They didn't inform us of anything."

Watney could not be reached later Tuesday to respond.

Police arrested another man during the raid Monday, but investigators said it was "not directly related" to their search for Sandra.

The man, Chris Sinclair, 49, was arrested, cited and released on a misdemeanor charge of obstruction of justice after he "got in the way of people investigating," Watney said. He said Sinclair was not violent but continued to accost investigators after multiple warnings.

Sinclair, also a resident of Orchard Estates, told KGO-TV San Francisco on Tuesday that police seized his cars and that he was just upset about the circumstances. He said he was questioned about Sandra's disappearance but said he doesn't know anything.

A relative who answered the phone Tuesday at a residence listed for Sinclair said he was not available to comment.

Late Monday, police announced they had served six search warrants on properties in Tracy and the Stanislaus County town of Oakdale.

Four were for homes in the trailer park. Another was an unspecified location elsewhere in Tracy, and the other was in Oakdale.

Police have declined to say why they were targeting two men, what they might know about Sandra and any details about the evidence, which is being processed by FBI agents in Sacramento.

Other elements of the investigation were obtained during the past couple of days.

Cadaver dogs picked up scents in rural areas north of Tracy, police said, but nothing was found.

Registered sex offenders in the area - none of whom live in the trailer park, according to the state Megan's Law Web site - have been interviewed. Surveillance video at nearby motels showed nothing, police said.

Lie detector tests have been administered to unidentified people.

Authorities say no one - including family members - has been ruled out as a suspect.

The sensational case has drawn a legion of media outlets all chasing their own leads.

The case is attracting offers from television regulars.

Defense attorney Daniel Horowitz, a frequent personality on cable news shows, said he will represent, free of charge, anyone who gets Sandra home alive.

Sacramento bounty hunter Leonard Padilla, fresh from involvement in another high-profile missing-child case - the Caylee Anthony case in Florida - said he is offering a $10,000 reward for Sandra's safe return.
With the days counting, police said they have no option but to be optimistic.

"You have to hope for the best," Watney said.

Record librarian Delailah Little contributed to this report.

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090401/A_NEWS/904010321




Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 01, 2009, 09:36:53 AM
Watney said one tipster claimed he may have seen Cantu's father, Daniel Cantu, and that he may have taken the girl to Mexico.

There's nothing to indicate the girl is in Mexico, police said, but it's unclear if Daniel Cantu is still in the area. He told officials that he may not be going back to work in Southern California.
I can't imagine he had anything to do with this, since he had to come from So Cal to go up to No Cal to be there with the family. And I thought I read that the dad didn't have much to do with Sandra's upbringing.  ::MonkeyConfused::

I dont believe the family has anything to do with her disappearance in this case. If Milstead and George roll up with the mobile billboard I am boarding a plane, I just cant take it anymore.
OMG, and their new boat, for searches in the river.  ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

I dont think the dad is involved either.  someone in that park knows something....IMO!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 01, 2009, 09:46:36 AM
Thanks for all the updates, and Blink so Sandra's dad, cashed a check and went to Mexico, ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 01, 2009, 09:55:02 AM
Thanks for all the updates, and Blink so Sandra's dad, cashed a check and went to Mexico, ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyNoNo::

allegedly, yes.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: MuffyBee on April 01, 2009, 09:56:54 AM
Good morning monks.      :sunny:   Let's hope today brings answers, and Sandra can be found. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 01, 2009, 09:56:56 AM
Thanks for all the updates, and Blink so Sandra's dad, cashed a check and went to Mexico, ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyNoNo::

allegedly, yes.

now why would he do that when he has a missing child??  ::MonkeyConfused::
oh, that's right....he really hasn't been in her life anyways, why bother now that she is missing.. ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 01, 2009, 10:18:51 AM
Good morning monks.      :sunny:   Let's hope today brings answers, and Sandra can be found. 

Good Morning Muffy Bee and all!

I pray for that.  I need one of the locals to pop in, I want to discuss a topo map studying the canals and tributaries closest to her home.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 01, 2009, 10:20:00 AM
I'm here for a few.  I have an appointment this morning and work today  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 01, 2009, 10:27:54 AM
I'm here for a few.  I have an appointment this morning and work today  ::MonkeyWaa::

Thanks Spring- what can you tell me about the resivoir (public access, any gate) and the canal nearby. It looks like the San Joaquin splits off for abit just North of Tracy. The topo maps are not really naming anything but the big bodies of water. Also, how close is the aqueduct?

B


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 01, 2009, 10:41:03 AM
I'm here for a few.  I have an appointment this morning and work today  ::MonkeyWaa::

Thanks Spring- what can you tell me about the resivoir (public access, any gate) and the canal nearby. It looks like the San Joaquin splits off for abit just North of Tracy. The topo maps are not really naming anything but the big bodies of water. Also, how close is the aqueduct?

B

I don't know the reservoir.  I live about 30 minutes from this area.  I am very curious to know why they are in the Old River.  If you pull a map east, you'll see that there is TONS of water all around this area.  The delta is not far away.  If you follow Grant Line to Byron Hwy (east) you'll see the aquaduct crosses it.  There is also another canal that crosses as well.  They're fairly close together.    I know some of those roads off of Byron Hwy turn into dirt roads that go back to canals that lead to the Delta.    What would make them concentrate on Old River?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 01, 2009, 10:42:47 AM
Which maps are you using? Google maps I see is naming the sloughs too. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 01, 2009, 10:52:49 AM
Which maps are you using? Google maps I see is naming the sloughs too. 

Can you post the pic by any chance? I am on a new system right now and I am map challenged to put it mildly, lol


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Artcolley on April 01, 2009, 10:59:58 AM
Good morning monks.      :sunny:   Let's hope today brings answers, and Sandra can be found. 

Morning, Muffy

YEah, I sure hope they find her today, too.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 01, 2009, 11:05:46 AM
I'm here for a few.  I have an appointment this morning and work today  ::MonkeyWaa::

Thanks Spring- what can you tell me about the resivoir (public access, any gate) and the canal nearby. It looks like the San Joaquin splits off for abit just North of Tracy. The topo maps are not really naming anything but the big bodies of water. Also, how close is the aqueduct?

B

I don't know the reservoir.  I live about 30 minutes from this area.  I am very curious to know why they are in the Old River.  If you pull a map east, you'll see that there is TONS of water all around this area.  The delta is not far away.  If you follow Grant Line to Byron Hwy (east) you'll see the aquaduct crosses it.  There is also another canal that crosses as well.  They're fairly close together.    I know some of those roads off of Byron Hwy turn into dirt roads that go back to canals that lead to the Delta.    What would make them concentrate on Old River?
Maybe the LE received a tip, or something to bring them to Old River? Maybe something was found around the shore?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 01, 2009, 11:27:58 AM
Which maps are you using? Google maps I see is naming the sloughs too. 

Can you post the pic by any chance? I am on a new system right now and I am map challenged to put it mildly, lol


Ruh Roh.  A pic?

I'll tell you how I got there.

Googlemaps.com.  I put in Clover Rd, Tracy Ca.  From there, you can pull the map around by left clicking and dragging.  I like to see it on satellite view.  You'll see all the farm land, etc.  Grant Line runs parallel to Clover.  If you follow Grant Line to Byron Hwy going east,  you'll see the aquaduct.   If I am not mistaken, the sloughs that are in this area all run to the Delta, which you can get to San Fran Bay and out to the ocean. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 01, 2009, 11:28:38 AM
I know cadaver dogs hit near there, but I was curious to know what made them go to that body of water to begin with.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 01, 2009, 11:30:14 AM
Something else that will help.  On my google map, if you zoom in just a bit, then it adds the names of the sloughs.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 01, 2009, 11:34:05 AM
Something else that will help.  On my google map, if you zoom in just a bit, then it adds the names of the sloughs.

lol, it's like your watching me through my webcam!! I did just that. I will ask lovely klaas if she will in a few when I know what I want to focus on. It looks like S.Tracy Blvd crosses over it directly, do you know how deep it is?

The resovior is actually the closest to the house.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 01, 2009, 11:35:00 AM
I know cadaver dogs hit near there, but I was curious to know what made them go to that body of water to begin with.

cadaver dogs? had not heard that one before....when was that? Yikes!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2009, 11:36:39 AM
Which maps are you using? Google maps I see is naming the sloughs too. 

Can you post the pic by any chance? I am on a new system right now and I am map challenged to put it mildly, lol


Ruh Roh.  A pic?

I'll tell you how I got there.

Googlemaps.com.  I put in Clover Rd, Tracy Ca.  From there, you can pull the map around by left clicking and dragging.  I like to see it on satellite view.  You'll see all the farm land, etc.  Grant Line runs parallel to Clover.  If you follow Grant Line to Byron Hwy going east,  you'll see the aquaduct.   If I am not mistaken, the sloughs that are in this area all run to the Delta, which you can get to San Fran Bay and out to the ocean. 


(A) is 812 W. Clover, Tracy
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/WaterTracy.jpg)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 01, 2009, 11:37:00 AM
I don't know if this has anything to do with anything.   But I guess on Sunday, the volunteers were to meet up at a location at an old fire house at Linne Rd and Chrisman.  I hadn't been out that far and was kind of surprised.  I was told Monday morning to go there, and of course when I got there, there was nobody there.  If you google that, it is a WAYS away from the actual mobile home park.  I don't know if that was where a bunch of people could park or what.  But it seemed so far out.

Hubby just said they said on the news that they have all the cars of who belongs in the mobile home park written down.  If you're not someone they have talked to, they are stopping you.  He's kinda mad saying, that's pretty smart to let people know.  If they have her, do you think they are going to go there if they know they are going to be stopped?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 01, 2009, 11:38:13 AM
Klaas,  you're so good!  One day when I have time, you'll have to school me!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 01, 2009, 11:39:14 AM
Yesterday they DID discontinue stopping cars going in and out of there.  I wonder if them being back out there means they found nothing in the cars that they towed?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 01, 2009, 11:46:19 AM
No way to know if this is his, but freakin creepy:

http://www.christophersinclair.com/

Site about a "panel van" looks like a hearse


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 01, 2009, 11:51:41 AM
Klaas,  you're so good!  One day when I have time, you'll have to school me!

She's the BESTEST. THANKS!  Can you do that one more time in terrain mode so we can see the water? There are rwo SO's right next to the resovoir, which also has a mobile home park??? One has the creepiest photo I have ever seen of a pedo.

BTW, C. Sinclair has a former address or employer in Oakland, CA


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 01, 2009, 11:56:44 AM
No way to know if this is his, but freakin creepy:

http://www.christophersinclair.com/

Site about a "panel van" looks like a hearse
By the looks of Sinclair, this would not surprise me if he drove something like this  ::MonkeyEek:: Sinclair was lying through his teeth, and he creeped me out.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 01, 2009, 11:58:45 AM
Klaas,  you're so good!  One day when I have time, you'll have to school me!

She's the BESTEST. THANKS!  Can you do that one more time in terrain mode so we can see the water? There are rwo SO's right next to the resovoir, which also has a mobile home park??? One has the creepiest photo I have ever seen of a pedo.

BTW, C. Sinclair has a former address or employer in Oakland, CA
Is it Oakdale or Oakland that the other home was searched? I'm guessing Oakland, I can't find Oakdale on the map, but I'm not good at maps so....


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2009, 12:00:58 PM
No way to know if this is his, but freakin creepy:

http://www.christophersinclair.com/

Site about a "panel van" looks like a hearse

http://private.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois.ch?domain=christophersinclair.com

Not him.  This guy is in Sidney Australia and that's where the website is registered as well.

http://home.iprimus.com.au/chrisxyz/alittleaboutme/

This is a little about me:

I am just a happy outgoing guy and I like people. I am medium built and medium weight and I live in Sydney, Australia.

I am also a former gym club member and I like the area where I live.

Who I'd like to meet:

Any guy I like, somewhere in my city.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2009, 12:05:07 PM
Klaas,  you're so good!  One day when I have time, you'll have to school me!

She's the BESTEST. THANKS!  Can you do that one more time in terrain mode so we can see the water? There are rwo SO's right next to the resovoir, which also has a mobile home park??? One has the creepiest photo I have ever seen of a pedo.

BTW, C. Sinclair has a former address or employer in Oakland, CA

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/WaterTracy2.jpg)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 01, 2009, 12:14:17 PM
Apparently Mr. Wohler attends Elementary School Spelling Bees:

From Nov. 2007

http://tracypress.com/content/view/12340/2244/

Letter to the editor about a different spelling version, wonder who the child was that mispelled it


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 01, 2009, 12:20:41 PM
Apparently Mr. Wohler attends Elementary School Spelling Bees:

From Nov. 2007

http://tracypress.com/content/view/12340/2244/

Letter to the editor about a different spelling version, wonder who the child was that mispelled it
He appears to be around kids quite a bit, I sure wish when the pool incident happened the police would have been called in. Does anyone else feel that we will be hearing a lot of stories about this Wohler creep soon? He evidently knows how to do things under the radar. I am curious if neighbors have seen children going in and out of the trailer, and is he married and does he have kids?  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2009, 12:23:37 PM
Apparently Mr. Wohler attends Elementary School Spelling Bees:

From Nov. 2007

http://tracypress.com/content/view/12340/2244/

Letter to the editor about a different spelling version, wonder who the child was that mispelled it

And these articles:


Fighting for a dream       
Written by Bob Brownne     
Friday, 05 December 2008 
 
Tracy man reaches milestone on martial arts quest

http://tracypress.com/content/view/16663/2243/

With the program       
Written by Chris Roberts / Tracy Press /     
Saturday, 19 January 2008 

Delta Kajukenbo’s Wohler helps take the martial art national

http://tracypress.com/content/view/13179/2243/

Then a bunch of these:

Self-defense classes

Delta Kajukenbo School of Self Defense will host classes Mondays through from 10 to 11:15 a.m. Thursdays. Classes are for men, women and kids of all ages and levels.

For information: Frank Wohler,
835-5845.
http://tracypress.com/content/view/10308/2243/


Too see all reference to Wohler in the Tracy Press:

http://tracypress.com/index.php?searchword=Wohler&option=com_search&Itemid=



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 01, 2009, 12:26:27 PM
Thanks, Mr. Wohler is a very busy man.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2009, 12:31:24 PM
http://www.kcra.com/news/19064633/detail.html

Bounty Hunter Offers $10K To Find Tracy Girl
Child Missing Since Friday

POSTED: 8:50 am PDT April 1, 2009
UPDATED: 9:18 am PDT April 1, 2009


SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Sacramento bounty hunter Leonard Padilla is offering a $10,000 reward for anyone with information about the whereabouts of missing Tracy girl Sandra Cantu.



(http://www.kcra.com/2009/0331/19053526_240X180.jpg)

The money comes in addition to a $7,000 reward already being offered to help find the 8-year-old child, who was last seen Friday walking in Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park.

More than 360 tips have flowed in to police, who are following up as best as they can.

Police were expected to offer the latest details about the investigation at a 10:30 a.m. news conference that will be streamed live on KCRA.com.

Cantu was last seen walking from her home to a friend's home within the park, located just off West Clover Road.



Cantu is 4 feet tall, weighs 45 pounds and has brown hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a pink Hello Kitty T-shirt and black leggings.

Anyone with information may call the Tracy Police Department at 209-831-4550. Investigators said anyone wishing to donate money for the reward fund may call police


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 01, 2009, 12:37:32 PM
Klaas your too quick for me, lol


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 01, 2009, 01:06:12 PM
Klaas,  you're so good!  One day when I have time, you'll have to school me!

She's the BESTEST. THANKS!  Can you do that one more time in terrain mode so we can see the water? There are rwo SO's right next to the resovoir, which also has a mobile home park??? One has the creepiest photo I have ever seen of a pedo.

BTW, C. Sinclair has a former address or employer in Oakland, CA
Is it Oakdale or Oakland that the other home was searched? I'm guessing Oakland, I can't find Oakdale on the map, but I'm not good at maps so....


Oakdale is northeast of Modesto.  I believe it was Oakdale because it was San Joaquin County.

I just realized all morning I was saying east on the map.  Lawsie mercy.  I meant west!!  The aquaduct is west on Byron Hwy.  You pull the map to the right, but you're going west. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 01, 2009, 01:07:25 PM
It was Oakdale.. Located about 40-50 miles east of Tracy near lake Don Pedro


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 01, 2009, 01:07:45 PM
Apparently Mr. Wohler attends Elementary School Spelling Bees:

From Nov. 2007

http://tracypress.com/content/view/12340/2244/

Letter to the editor about a different spelling version, wonder who the child was that mispelled it
He appears to be around kids quite a bit, I sure wish when the pool incident happened the police would have been called in. Does anyone else feel that we will be hearing a lot of stories about this Wohler creep soon? He evidently knows how to do things under the radar. I am curious if neighbors have seen children going in and out of the trailer, and is he married and does he have kids?  ::MonkeyEek::

I'm pretty sure i read somewhere that he lives alone.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 01, 2009, 01:08:10 PM
Sorry Spring I did not see your post.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 01, 2009, 01:10:04 PM
Sorry Spring I did not see your post.
Thanks to both of you, I'll look at my map again.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 01, 2009, 01:11:06 PM
Thanks Leroy, I didn't remember if he lived alone or not.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 01, 2009, 01:12:59 PM
I got my teeth cleaned, but am skipping a meeting right now.  When was the press conference scheduled for?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 01, 2009, 01:17:32 PM
I got my teeth cleaned, but am skipping a meeting right now.  When was the press conference scheduled for?
10:30  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 01, 2009, 01:18:37 PM
Latest KRON 4

http://snipurl.com/ezhzt


I really don't understand why they are still concentrating so heavily on that mobile home park.  Presser at 10:30.  Will be watching.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 01, 2009, 01:19:02 PM
Thanks, Rose!

I'll keep you posted!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 01, 2009, 01:23:29 PM
Latest KRON 4

http://snipurl.com/ezhzt


I really don't understand why they are still concentrating so heavily on that mobile home park.  Presser at 10:30.  Will be watching.

Thanks Spring!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 01, 2009, 01:32:28 PM
Headline News is set to cover the news conference live.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 01, 2009, 01:33:54 PM
400 some leads.  They are following up on them all.

Pink Hello kitty shirt, black leggings.  Won't say who last saw her.  They do have her in that outfit on the video though.

Just trying to generate leads in the mobile home park.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 01, 2009, 01:37:57 PM
Resources are not diminishing.  They are adding to as they need them.

No water search today. 

FBI still involved.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 01, 2009, 01:43:04 PM
No plans at this time to ramp down the resources.  As long as they have new leads coming in, they will follow them. 

They say they are putting pieces of the puzzle together, but not really giving any new details.  No  new search warrants this morning, but he said that could change within the hour if the leads command it.  If they need a search warrant, they WILL get it.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 01, 2009, 01:45:34 PM
I think all children under 12 should be AMBER alerted as soon as an official report is taken.

Why Sandra was never AMBER alerted boggles my mind.

The criteria needs to be changed or something.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 01, 2009, 01:45:47 PM
Thanks for the updates.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 01, 2009, 01:47:35 PM
I don't know if it is over or not, but KRON stopped covering it.

It was hard to hear the questions being asked.  I think they asked a lot of questions about the dad and him going to Mexico, but I couldn't hear the questions.  If it was him they were talking about, they said they are not tailing him, but could get in touch with him if need be. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 01, 2009, 01:59:23 PM
I don't know if it is over or not, but KRON stopped covering it.

It was hard to hear the questions being asked.  I think they asked a lot of questions about the dad and him going to Mexico, but I couldn't hear the questions.  If it was him they were talking about, they said they are not tailing him, but could get in touch with him if need be. 

Thanks for the updates. 

i'm not surprised if the dad didn't return to where ever he lived (i thought is was in southern CA not mexico???).  and he would have to be pretty stupid to leave without notifying LE.  it just doesn't sound like he was involved in Sandra's life very much so if he has a job i bet that would take priority over sticking around to find his missing daughter that he hardly knew....and I'm not saying this is right, JMO.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 01, 2009, 02:00:15 PM
Spring thanks for the updates. Are we confident it was Oakdale vs. Oakland? My bad if so.

I am so sick over this non amber alert I am going to scream, seriously. At this stage of the game I think it can only mean one thing


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 01, 2009, 02:03:48 PM
Spring thanks for the updates. Are we confident it was Oakdale vs. Oakland? My bad if so.

I am so sick over this non amber alert I am going to scream, seriously. At this stage of the game I think it can only mean one thing

Regarding the whole Amber Alert thing......how/why is there certain criteria that MUST be met before issuing one??....a child is missing - plain and simple.  what would be the harm in issuing an Amber Alert even if you weren't POSITIVE the child was abducted.  just because you dont have a vehicle description????

I know the answers to these questions but I DO NOT LIKE THEM!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 01, 2009, 02:14:51 PM
I can't remember if I read it here or where, but there should be a tiered system at least when dealing with Amber alerts.  They don't want abuse of the system, but I would like to know how many people who work with the Amber alerts who have children of their own, if their child was missing, would they want one issued if not all criteria were  met?  I  am betting they would! 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 01, 2009, 02:17:05 PM
I can't remember if I read it here or where, but there should be a tiered system at least when dealing with Amber alerts.  They don't want abuse of the system, but I would like to know how many people who work with the Amber alerts who have children of their own, if their child was missing, would they want one issued if not all criteria were  met?  I  am betting they would! 

I totally agree.  Right now there is only 1 active Amber Alert.  I dont see why, as a precaution even, they didn't issue one for Sandra.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 01, 2009, 02:24:24 PM
My first thought when I heard an Amber Alert wasn't issued, I went with money. Our state, shall I say isn't the best financially under good ole Arnold. So my question is, if it is costly to issue an Amber Alert, would that way into the decision? I have no idea about this, and really would have no idea.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 01, 2009, 02:30:14 PM
My first thought when I heard an Amber Alert wasn't issued, I went with money. Our state, shall I say isn't the best financially under good ole Arnold. So my question is, if it is costly to issue an Amber Alert, would that way into the decision? I have no idea about this, and really would have no idea.


With all the taxes we pay, we can't afford to protect our children?  Stupid question I guess since they are cutting education funding too.  Sorry for the rant!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 01, 2009, 02:46:07 PM
My first thought when I heard an Amber Alert wasn't issued, I went with money. Our state, shall I say isn't the best financially under good ole Arnold. So my question is, if it is costly to issue an Amber Alert, would that way into the decision? I have no idea about this, and really would have no idea.


With all the taxes we pay, we can't afford to protect our children?  Stupid question I guess since they are cutting education funding too.  Sorry for the rant!

Don't feel sorry for the rant, I'm always ranting. I just don't know if it costs money to issue an Amber Alert, and if it does, I just figured that maybe one of the reasons.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 01, 2009, 03:35:12 PM
New leads in search for missing girl
Wednesday, April 01, 2009 | 11:49 AM

--snipped--

The lieutenant also talked about how her father may have taken her to Mexico and that she had threatened to run-away from home, that she was having trouble at school and that she was afraid to face her mother after getting a bad report - none of that stands out as the likely scenario.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 01, 2009, 03:44:18 PM
New leads in search for missing girl
Wednesday, April 01, 2009 | 11:49 AM

--snipped--

The lieutenant also talked about how her father may have taken her to Mexico and that she had threatened to run-away from home, that she was having trouble at school and that she was afraid to face her mother after getting a bad report - none of that stands out as the likely scenario.
I wonder who commented about her being afraid to face her mother about a bad report, maybe a sibling or friend? The running away business she probably said for attention, sounds like what an eight year old might say, I sure can't imagine her really doing such a thing.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A's Fever on April 01, 2009, 03:47:48 PM
Klaas,  you're so good!  One day when I have time, you'll have to school me!

She's the BESTEST. THANKS!  Can you do that one more time in terrain mode so we can see the water? There are rwo SO's right next to the resovoir, which also has a mobile home park??? One has the creepiest photo I have ever seen of a pedo.

BTW, C. Sinclair has a former address or employer in Oakland, CA
Is it Oakdale or Oakland that the other home was searched? I'm guessing Oakland, I can't find Oakdale on the map, but I'm not good at maps so....


Definitely Oakdale.  I don't remember what highway it is on, but we always pass thru Oakdale on the way to Yosemite.  Its a very very rural area.  Is there any way to check and see if either POI owns a house in Oakdale?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 01, 2009, 03:56:53 PM
http://codeamber.org/cantuca/

a missing endangered amber alert has been issued for Sandra.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 01, 2009, 04:06:38 PM
New leads in search for missing girl
Wednesday, April 01, 2009 | 11:49 AM

--snipped--

The lieutenant also talked about how her father may have taken her to Mexico and that she had threatened to run-away from home, that she was having trouble at school and that she was afraid to face her mother after getting a bad report - none of that stands out as the likely scenario.
I wonder who commented about her being afraid to face her mother about a bad report, maybe a sibling or friend? The running away business she probably said for attention, sounds like what an eight year old might say, I sure can't imagine her really doing such a thing.

I agree. I can see an 8 year old telling a friend that she is going to run away because of her bad grade card....but of course not really meaning it and certainly not actually doing it.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 01, 2009, 04:07:03 PM
Again my link doesn't work  ::MonkeyConfused:: hopefully someone else will put up the proper link. And there will be another press conf at 3:30.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A's Fever on April 01, 2009, 04:07:48 PM
Reports that Sandra's father is being questioned by the FBI and that Sandra has run away before . . .

She's only 8.  8 year olds don't run away for five days!


Investigators Following Up On Hundreds Of Leads
Posted: 10:10 pm PDT March 31, 2009
Updated: 12:45 pm PDT April 1, 2009

TRACY, Calif. -- Investigators searching for a missing 8-year-old Tracy girl have received more than 100 tips in the last 24 hours and were considering several scenarios including that she has been abducted, was a runaway or has been taken to Mexico, authorities said Wednesday.

At a morning news conference, Tracy Police Lt. Jeremy Watney said a surveillance camera videotape showed eight-year-old Sandra Cantu leaving the mobile where she lived dressed in a “Hello Kitty t-shirt and black leggings.”

The tape was among the many leads being followed up on, he added.

“None of the leads are being discounted,” Watney said. “Every lead is being looked into and investigated.”

Watney said investigators were also looking into a tip that the girl had runaway in the past.

“We are looking into this as a missing person, a runaway, from any possible angle,” Watney said. “If it is (a runaway case), where is she at? And we need to get her home…For an 8-year-old, it is unusual to runaway from more than a couple of hours. So that’s why we are so concerned ... it is five days later. “

A friend of the girl's father said he was in town and talking with the Tracy police and the FBI on Wednesday morning.

On Tuesday night, neighbors and friends sang during an emotional candlelight vigil as Tracy residents struggled to maintain hope for Cantu’s safe return.

Families have gathered together every night since the second grader disappeared from the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park last Friday. Police say they're following plenty of tips and authorities have searched the homes of some neighbors, but so far with no luck.

When KTVU talked with families living at Orchard Estates Tuesday, they said they're badly shaken by Cantu's disappearance and hope that she will be found alive.

Teams of investigators have been at the mobile home park throughout the day. Tuesday evening, law enforcement was seen entering the missing girl's home.

Residents say they're struggling to come to terms with what happened.

"It's not 30 years ago. We need to watch our children," said Orchard Estates resident Lindalou Wales. "There's more pedophiles out there than you can imagine."

Residents tell KTVU the mobile home park has a close knit community where neighbors know each other.

The missing second grader is one of the many children here who often play outside in the mobile home park. Kadie Wales grew up at Orchard Estates and is now raising three children in the same home.

"It's scary," said Wales. "I have a 13-year-old daughter. It's scary."

Monday night, the FBI arrived at the mobile home park in unmarked vehicles to enforce several search warrants. One of the two men whose homes were searched by FBI agents spoke with KTVU.

Frank Wohler is a martial arts instructor who runs a school in Tracy. He says Sandra used to help him water his yard.

Wohler acknowledged kissing Sandra two years ago, but says it was innocent. He says he understands why investigators are looking at him.

"When a child is missing, they should blow it up," said Wohler "And I had nothing to do with it."

Another resident of the mobile home park who had his two vehicles towed away by FBI Monday night also tells KTVU that he had nothing to do with the little girl's disappearance.

Police say they have given polygraph tests, but would not say to whom. So far, no one's been detained or arrested for Sandra's disappearance.

Cantu’s distraught mother Maria Chavez reiterated her plea for her daughter to come home Tuesday.

"Please, whoever took her, just let her go," said Chavez. "She needs to come home to her mom who loves her very much and misses her."

At Tuesday night's vigil, people sang Sandra Cantu's favorite song: "Somewhere Out There." Residents say they hope to hold a candlelight vigil every night until she comes home safe and sound.

http://www.ktvu.com/news/19060999/detail.html


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 01, 2009, 04:15:44 PM
Thank-you.  A friend of the girl's father said he was in town and talking with the Tracy police and the FBI on Wednesday morning. So is he in town or not, this is really confusing? He's in town, he's not in town  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 01, 2009, 04:16:11 PM
http://codeamber.org/cantuca/

a missing endangered amber alert has been issued for Sandra.

Resisting the urge to be snide, thanks for updating. It's only Wednesday afternoon and all


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2009, 04:33:31 PM
Again my link doesn't work  ::MonkeyConfused:: hopefully someone else will put up the proper link. And there will be another press conf at 3:30.

I think I fixed it for you   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 01, 2009, 04:40:36 PM
Again my link doesn't work  ::MonkeyConfused:: hopefully someone else will put up the proper link. And there will be another press conf at 3:30.

I think I fixed it for you   ::MonkeyWink::
Thanks  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2009, 04:41:20 PM
http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=57166&catid=2

Sandra's Father Pleads: "Please Help"
Posted By: C. Johnson     6 mins ago
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TRACY, CA - A strained and weary-looking father urged everyone not to let down in the search for his missing daughter, 8-year-old Sandra Cantu.

The girl has not been seen since about 4 p.m. last Friday afternoon at the Orchard Estates mobile home park in Tracy where she lives with her mother and grandparents.

"Please bring her home. Please bring her home. She's scared. Enough has gone on. Honey, if you can get to a phone, dial 911, babe. Scream, kick, do what you need to do, but please, bring her home," urged Sandra's father, Daniel Cantu.

"All I know is there's an 8-year-old girl out there who happens to be my daughter who needs help. Please help," he said.

Cantu said he was grateful for fliers being distributed about his missing daughter but said more were needed showing his daughter with golden brown hair. He said her hair color is more golden brown, not the dark brown seen in some photographs being circulated.

Earlier Wednesday, Tracy police said they seized a fourth vehicle in the investigation into the disappearance of Sandra.

Tracy police Lt. Jeremy Watney also said the number of leads detectives and the FBI have received has climbed to 477.

"None of the leads are being discounted. Every lead is being looked into," Watney said in a news conference Wednesday morning.

Cantu is 4 feet tall, 45 pounds with golden brown hair and brown eyes. When last seen on surveillance video at Orchard Estates, she was outside the mobile home where she lives and then she leaves the camera frame. She was wearing a pink "Hello Kitty" t-shirt and black leggings.

The police search for the 8-year-old began Friday evening. Over the weekend, a few hundred volunteers joined the search.

Officials said Tuesday that two men who live in Orchard Estates were considered "persons of interest" in the case and were being investigated. They did not elaborate further.

Monday night, the FBI served six search warrants on four residences - four in Orchard Estates, one on a home in the city of Tracy and a sixth on a home in Oakdale in connection with the case.

Search warrants have also been issued for four vehicles.

Officers continue to maintain an active presence in Orchard Estates. Watney said Tuesday that occupants of each mobile home in the community have been interviewed at least twice and officers stop those going in and out of the park.

He said nothing was being discounted in the investigation. "Missing person, a runaway, every angle possible," Watney said.

A $7,000 reward has been issued for information leading to finding Sandra.

Anyone with information about the girl is encouraged to call the Tracy Police Department at (209) 831-6TIP.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 01, 2009, 05:01:31 PM
Thanks, so now another car seized also. I wondered about her hair color, I assume her hair was colored, because the other pic her hair was dark brown. And five days later an Amber Alert. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 01, 2009, 05:12:56 PM
Thanks, so now another car seized also. I wondered about her hair color, I assume her hair was colored, because the other pic her hair was dark brown. And five days later an Amber Alert. ::MonkeyConfused::

Me too, glad it was clarified  because its important- I said to myself she's too young to be getting highlights and stuff hmmm.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 01, 2009, 05:21:55 PM
YIKES HLN just had Wohler on and he admitted to kissing Sandra on the lips.   His excuse "to be nice."    WTF  this makes me irate!

They are discussing the case live now on Mike Galanos.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Scuterputer on April 01, 2009, 05:27:35 PM
YIKES HLN just had Wohler on and he admitted to kissing Sandra on the lips.   His excuse "to be nice."    WTF  this makes me irate!

They are discussing the case live now on Mike Galanos.

To be NICE???? I have an eight year old daughter and 11 year old daughter, and a "nice" gesture by a man like that would have him pinned to the ground by my 6'5, 300lb husband (who looks like Mr. Clean ticked off!!)

I hope they can find her, five days for an amber alert is too long....


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 01, 2009, 05:32:00 PM
YIKES HLN just had Wohler on and he admitted to kissing Sandra on the lips.   His excuse "to be nice."    WTF  this makes me irate!

They are discussing the case live now on Mike Galanos.

To be NICE???? I have an eight year old daughter and 11 year old daughter, and a "nice" gesture by a man like that would have him pinned to the ground by my 6'5, 300lb husband (who looks like Mr. Clean ticked off!!)

I hope they can find her, five days for an amber alert is too long....
Great excuse to be nice  ::MonkeyNoNo:: I want to know why nothing was done when this happened, did her family not think to report this?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 01, 2009, 05:39:21 PM
I received this from Sarita Sinclair this afternoon, unedited:

Why does the press or bloggers find it necessary to publish my in-laws, who are in their 70's ( Chris Sinclair' parents ) phone number on the internet for all to see and call and the fact that my other brother in law Brandon Sinclair commited suicide in 2004-this is very painful for all involved?

Ms. Sinclair, I most certainly did not publish your inlaws phone number nor would I. My condolences on Mr. Sinclair's passing, but it has appeared in news articles previously and your in laws were directly quoted in them publicly. No one is judging your in laws nor would I allow that on my site. It is always very sad when I see family members put in a position they did not ask for. I would be remiss if I did not urge you to tell Christopher to tell Police EVERYTHING he knows. To that end, if he was involved with anything to do with Sandra's disappearance, if she is unharmed, I have a friend of mine willing to represent him free of charge. You can comment back to me and I will not post it if that is an option.

Blink
Editor-in-Chief, Blinkoncrime.com


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 01, 2009, 05:41:32 PM
I received this from Sarita Sinclair this afternoon, unedited:

Why does the press or bloggers find it necessary to publish my in-laws, who are in their 70's ( Chris Sinclair' parents ) phone number on the internet for all to see and call and the fact that my other brother in law Brandon Sinclair commited suicide in 2004-this is very painful for all involved?

Ms. Sinclair, I most certainly did not publish your inlaws phone number nor would I. My condolences on Mr. Sinclair's passing, but it has appeared in news articles previously and your in laws were directly quoted in them publicly. No one is judging your in laws nor would I allow that on my site. It is always very sad when I see family members put in a position they did not ask for. I would be remiss if I did not urge you to tell Christopher to tell Police EVERYTHING he knows. To that end, if he was involved with anything to do with Sandra's disappearance, if she is unharmed, I have a friend of mine willing to represent him free of charge. You can comment back to me and I will not post it if that is an option.

Blink
Editor-in-Chief, Blinkoncrime.com


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 01, 2009, 05:46:48 PM
I'm sorry hit post, before I posted  ::MonkeyRoll:: I never saw the Sinclair's phone numbers anywhere. I wonder how many people she emailed? Maybe it's me, but with things like this, I would not be emailing people complaining, it will just draw more attention. Blink with the offer of an attorney to represent him free of charge, if Sandra is unharmed is very nice, curious if she will reply.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 01, 2009, 06:01:28 PM
first of all, no one has posted anything that isn't already out on the internet...at least to my knowledge.  it took me a whole 3 seconds to find there phone number and i still didn't post it but even if i did, its out there for all to see.  same goes for the suicide info. 

i have *secrets* i'm sure that are on the internet if someone would ever choose to look me up.  however, i wasn't arrested for badgering cops during the search of a missing girl   ::MonkeyNoNo::   

some people just bring it on themselves!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 01, 2009, 06:12:13 PM
first of all, no one has posted anything that isn't already out on the internet...at least to my knowledge.  it took me a whole 3 seconds to find there phone number and i still didn't post it but even if i did, its out there for all to see.  same goes for the suicide info. 

i have *secrets* i'm sure that are on the internet if someone would ever choose to look me up.  however, i wasn't arrested for badgering cops during the search of a missing girl   ::MonkeyNoNo::   

some people just bring it on themselves!
I totally agree.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 01, 2009, 06:13:29 PM
Was there supposed to be something at 3:00?   I was flipping channels and can't find it.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 01, 2009, 06:25:31 PM
Was there supposed to be something at 3:00?   I was flipping channels and can't find it.

3:30 i think


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 01, 2009, 06:26:39 PM
Was there supposed to be something at 3:00?   I was flipping channels and can't find it.

3:30 i think
Yes, 3:30


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 01, 2009, 06:28:36 PM
http://snipurl.com/f18x5

There's a link to the earlier press conference.  I just heard at the end of that, 3:30 at City Hall.  I'll go watch.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 01, 2009, 06:43:00 PM
http://snipurl.com/f18x5

There's a link to the earlier press conference.  I just heard at the end of that, 3:30 at City Hall.  I'll go watch.

Thanks Spring, please let us know if you hear anything.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 01, 2009, 06:48:48 PM
Over 500 leads now.

One thing that I did not know.

They have been searching the landfill all week.  They are searching all the garbage that is being brought in.

Also, the FBI is giving them plenty of resources, behavior analysts, computers, etc. 

The father is in town and he has been at the police dept a couple times today on his own accord asking questions.  His home in Mexico has not been searched.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 01, 2009, 06:50:23 PM
They stopped the search of cars going in and out because it was repetitive and they were not getting any new leads out of it.   

The 2 persons of interest do live in the park.  Nothing new on that front. 

Oh, the video of her outside the house....they won't release that because it is of evidentiary value.  Did not say what it is.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 01, 2009, 06:51:44 PM
Nobody ruled out.  They're still throwing out there about the running away.  They said they are just leaving all avenues open because they haven't ruled anything out.  They keep having to reprint the fliers because so many have gone out.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 01, 2009, 06:51:47 PM
Over 500 leads now.

One thing that I did not know.

They have been searching the landfill all week.  They are searching all the garbage that is being brought in.

Also, the FBI is giving them plenty of resources, behavior analysts, computers, etc. 

The father is in town and he has been at the police dept a couple times today on his own accord asking questions.  His home in Mexico has not been searched.
Thank-you, I had heard they were searching the landfill, but I didn't realize they were doing this all week.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 01, 2009, 06:53:13 PM
Nobody ruled out.  They're still throwing out there about the running away.  They said they are just leaving all avenues open because they haven't ruled anything out.  They keep having to reprint the fliers because so many have gone out.
Interesting, thanks.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 01, 2009, 06:54:05 PM
Over 500 leads now.

One thing that I did not know.

They have been searching the landfill all week.  They are searching all the garbage that is being brought in.

Also, the FBI is giving them plenty of resources, behavior analysts, computers, etc. 

The father is in town and he has been at the police dept a couple times today on his own accord asking questions.  His home in Mexico has not been searched.

I had not heard this either. thanks a bunch for the updates Spring!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 01, 2009, 06:57:06 PM
The 4th vehicle wasn't "added"  but was a part of the original search warrant. 


That's all I can remember.  I think the rest was pretty repetitive, stuff we already knew.


Oh, they are going to revisit "the kiss"  when this is all said and done.  It was reported back when.  They don't know what happened or why nothing was done.  They aren't going to dive into it right at this moment because all resources are trying to bring Sandra home.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 01, 2009, 06:58:13 PM
The police chief now is not the same one as when the kiss happened, so that's why they are not sure why nothing was done about it.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 01, 2009, 07:14:33 PM
They " The Police" Have to know the circumstances behind that kiss on the lips..
I know when I was very young it was not uncommon for the kids to give family members a kiss before going to bed..
Times have changed...
Apparently this fellow was not even a family friend.. But how exactly that happened at a public pool is the question, was that in front of her parents ?

I can't imagine that in this day and age..

I know this is far more common and excepted in Europe. This aint Europe.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 01, 2009, 07:30:39 PM
And he continues to work with children!    I read somewhere that people are pulling their kids from his place of business though.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 01, 2009, 07:43:50 PM
And he continues to work with children!    I read somewhere that people are pulling their kids from his place of business though.
I know I would  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 01, 2009, 08:09:15 PM
NG is going to cover the case again tonight


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 01, 2009, 08:20:52 PM
Tracy Police 'Leaving The Whole Book Open'
Sandra Cantu, 8, Missing From Mobile Home Park
POSTED: 4:00 pm PDT April 1, 2009
UPDATED: 4:52 pm PDT April 1, 2009




TRACY, Calif. -- Nearly five days after a girl disappeared from a Tracy mobile home park, police said their investigation remains "very broad" and they're "keeping tabs on everybody" in the case.

Sandra Cantu, 8, was last seen Friday afternoon walking in Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park.

Investigators have gotten more than 500 tips on her disappearance, still considered a missing persons case.

Lt. Jeremy Watney, spokesman for the Tracy Police Department, said authorities are also allowing for the possibility of foul play.

"Eight years old, granted, is a very young age," he said. Watney, however, added police have found "nothing to indicate there's a reason why she would leave."

"We're leaving the whole book open," he said.

Cantu's father, Daniel, visited police Wednesday to check on the progress of the search, Watney said.

The spokesman originally said during a media update Wednesday morning that investigators did not know Daniel Cantu's whereabouts; he later told reporters he was unaware Daniel Cantu had been dropped off at the police station.

"It was nothing that we asked him to do," Watney told reporters Wednesday afternoon. "He's done this quite frequently" to check on the case.

Cantu, a student at Jacobson Elementary School, was last seen walking from her home to a friend's home within the mobile home park, located just off West Clover Road.

Anyone with information should call the Tracy Police Department at 209-831-4550. Investigators said anyone wishing to donate money for the reward fund may call police.

She's 4 feet tall, weighs 45 pounds and has brown hair and brown eyes. Cantu was wearing a pink Hello Kitty T-shirt and black leggings.

Volunteers have been going through trash at a local landfill, but police "have nothing to point that we're going to find anything," Watney said.

Authorities have searched five properties in Tracy -- including four mobile homes in the park -- as well as a location in Oakdale.

Three cars were seized in the investigation, police said.

A surveillance camera outside Cantu's home captured the last images of her, but Watney said police weren't releasing that footage because "there is evidentiary value in the video."

http://www.kcra.com/news/19069822/detail.html

______________________________________________

there are pics here of Sandra that I had not seen....i dont know how to post them though!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 01, 2009, 08:23:52 PM
And he continues to work with children!    I read somewhere that people are pulling their kids from his place of business though.

If he is innocent... This is terrible.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 01, 2009, 08:30:33 PM
And he continues to work with children!    I read somewhere that people are pulling their kids from his place of business though.

If he is innocent... This is terrible.

i'm on the fence with this creep-o.   at first I thought for sure he has knowledge of where Sandra is but now i'm not so sure.  I think if LE found something to connect him to her, they wouldn't be putting the inappropriate *kiss* on the back-burner....they would be trying to nail him to the wall with whatever they could...and this certainly would be where they could start.  I just dont know...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 01, 2009, 08:42:53 PM
And he continues to work with children!    I read somewhere that people are pulling their kids from his place of business though.

If he is innocent... This is terrible.

i'm on the fence with this creep-o.   at first I thought for sure he has knowledge of where Sandra is but now i'm not so sure.  I think if LE found something to connect him to her, they wouldn't be putting the inappropriate *kiss* on the back-burner....they would be trying to nail him to the wall with whatever they could...and this certainly would be where they could start.  I just dont know...

I don't get the feeling that this guy is involved...I think that he had really really bad judgment in kissing her on the mouth..I mean, what was he thinking? He did say that she would come to his house a lot and ask if he needed help with yard work and stuff like that...why did the family allow it if they felt he was a threat or dangerous for her to be around him?
I got the feeling that he had affection for her, not in a creepy way, maybe a grand fatherly way?  sensed that she was perhaps a lonely little child that wanted attention, perhaps felt a bit sorry for her?  I don't know...I know that he was very inappropriate and I think that he realized it...It seemed that he was open to the police investigating him as much as they needed to....


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 01, 2009, 08:48:38 PM
And he continues to work with children!    I read somewhere that people are pulling their kids from his place of business though.

If he is innocent... This is terrible.

i'm on the fence with this creep-o.   at first I thought for sure he has knowledge of where Sandra is but now i'm not so sure.  I think if LE found something to connect him to her, they wouldn't be putting the inappropriate *kiss* on the back-burner....they would be trying to nail him to the wall with whatever they could...and this certainly would be where they could start.  I just dont know...

I don't get the feeling that this guy is involved...I think that he had really really bad judgment in kissing her on the mouth..I mean, what was he thinking? He did say that she would come to his house a lot and ask if he needed help with yard work and stuff like that...why did the family allow it if they felt he was a threat or dangerous for her to be around him?
I got the feeling that he had affection for her, not in a creepy way, maybe a grand fatherly way?  sensed that she was perhaps a lonely little child that wanted attention, perhaps felt a bit sorry for her?  I don't know...I know that he was very inappropriate and I think that he realized it...It seemed that he was open to the police investigating him as much as they needed to....

Cookie - i couldn't have said it any better...ITA!!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 01, 2009, 08:58:37 PM
Leroy...thanks! I was hesitant to post it cause I don't want anyone to think that I condone it in any way what he did...just that it might have been an impulse thing and a quick peck on the lips, not appropriate by any means! but I don't  think that it was a romantic kiss in front of  so many people in such a public place..it would seem that the weirdos are sneakier than that? dunno...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 01, 2009, 09:11:16 PM
First full 8 minutes of the news was all about Sandra.

One girl, 16, was kidnapped in Vallejo when she was 8.  She escaped on her 3rd day.  So she was trying to give the family hope.

Nothing new as far as news.  The father was on camera.  They asked him point blank if he has her in Mexico.  When asked how his relationship is with her, he said, I haven't seen her in a year.  I took it to mean that the relationship wasn't too good, not like he'd be trying to cart her off to Mexico.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 01, 2009, 09:12:52 PM
People are griping about the Amber alert situation.  And they said that this is the first time Tracy has had a missing child.  If they made mistakes, they will correct them in the future.  A woman was interviewed and said, how about a Sandra law.  If you know what they were wearing, where they were last seen, if they are under 12, there should be an alert.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 01, 2009, 09:20:31 PM
People are griping about the Amber alert situation.  And they said that this is the first time Tracy has had a missing child.  If they made mistakes, they will correct them in the future.  A woman was interviewed and said, how about a Sandra law.  If you know what they were wearing, where they were last seen, if they are under 12, there should be an alert.

I agree that there should be some sort of an alert no matter what!

the family friend, spokesperson today on the news said that in the 6 years that she has known the family that she has not known the father to have seen Sandra in all that time..that would have made her 2 when he last saw her....(?)  sad


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 01, 2009, 09:22:01 PM
My dear Monkey Friends-

No mas, you know I lub ya. Here's the danger in making any rationalization or justification for a grown man kissing a child on the lips that is not a non-perv relative.
 A REAL LIFE PERV will use whatever you say as rationalization and justification for their behavior. I am not saying this to make anyone wrong in any way. I am saying this because there has to be a 0% tolerance policy on this issue, in any situation.

Two months ago I interviewed Ken Lanning, a 35 year veteran of the FBI, most consider the John Douglas of behavioral profiling of pedophilia and helped structure child porn laws for what they are today. I was so profoundly affected by it I have not and may never write on it. I felt it was so insightful that it would actually help pedos hone their craft. It haunts me to this day. Most do not know how prolific this illness is and how broadly it runs the perp spectrum.
I know I wish I did not after the fact, I am still having nightmares. I say that with complete respect for Mr. Lanning, who is an absolute subject matter expert (sme) and dedictaed pioneer in his profession. Not a pleasant subject.  


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 01, 2009, 09:36:06 PM
My dear Monkey Friends-

No mas, you know I lub ya. Here's the danger in making any rationalization or justification for a grown man kissing a child on the lips that is not a non-perv relative.
 A REAL LIFE PERV will use whatever you say as rationalization and justification for their behavior. I am not saying this to make anyone wrong in any way. I am saying this because there has to be a 0% tolerance policy on this issue, in any situation.

Two months ago I interviewed Ken Lanning, a 35 year veteran of the FBI, most consider the John Douglas of behavioral profiling of pedophilia and helped structure child porn laws for what they are today. I was so profoundly affected by it I have not and may never write on it. I felt it was so insightful that it would actually help pedos hone their craft. It haunts me to this day. Most do not know how prolific this illness is and how broadly it runs the perp spectrum.
I know I wish I did not after the fact, I am still having nightmares. I say that with complete respect for Mr. Lanning, who is an absolute subject matter expert (sme) and dedictaed pioneer in his profession. Not a pleasant subject.  

and I can agree with this as well...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 01, 2009, 09:47:00 PM
My dear Monkey Friends-

No mas, you know I lub ya. Here's the danger in making any rationalization or justification for a grown man kissing a child on the lips that is not a non-perv relative.
 A REAL LIFE PERV will use whatever you say as rationalization and justification for their behavior. I am not saying this to make anyone wrong in any way. I am saying this because there has to be a 0% tolerance policy on this issue, in any situation.

Two months ago I interviewed Ken Lanning, a 35 year veteran of the FBI, most consider the John Douglas of behavioral profiling of pedophilia and helped structure child porn laws for what they are today. I was so profoundly affected by it I have not and may never write on it. I felt it was so insightful that it would actually help pedos hone their craft. It haunts me to this day. Most do not know how prolific this illness is and how broadly it runs the perp spectrum.
I know I wish I did not after the fact, I am still having nightmares. I say that with complete respect for Mr. Lanning, who is an absolute subject matter expert (sme) and dedictaed pioneer in his profession. Not a pleasant subject.  
I can just imagine, I have done some reading on this subject and frankly the thought of this makes me extremely ill. One thing that I'm trying to understand. I thought the family didn't notify authorities when the kissing episode happened. I was wrong, they did, which was the right thing to do. But if you went to authorities, because you felt what this man did was wrong, then why was this child going over to this man's house and helping him water his plants? I'm not blaming anyone, just curious why she was allowed, or maybe her family didn't know, but you would think you would have been very strict about her not going near his house.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 01, 2009, 09:56:36 PM
NoRose...that is what I thought too about her continuing to go over there...not blaming either..just wondering if the family was satisfied with the explanation given (?) or that the police had talked to this guy? even being him and with the police being called, I would never let that child be around me again unless a family member or others were around...would be overly cautious and aware....maybe no one really kept that close of an eye on her? not sure and not judging....I would just be frightened after something like that happened...but I am over protective...but for good reason in this day and age....imo


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 01, 2009, 10:14:51 PM
NoRose...that is what I thought too about her continuing to go over there...not blaming either..just wondering if the family was satisfied with the explanation given (?) or that the police had talked to this guy? even being him and with the police being called, I would never let that child be around me again unless a family member or others were around...would be overly cautious and aware....maybe no one really kept that close of an eye on her? not sure and not judging....I would just be frightened after something like that happened...but I am over protective...but for good reason in this day and age....imo
I'm even thinking that in this small community of mobile homes, people maybe felt safe, and didn't think something like this could happen. I'm wondering also how much supervision Sandra and her siblings receive.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 01, 2009, 10:16:31 PM
http://snipurl.com/f1n81


They have video up now of the dad.  The article should sound very familiar.  I should have been a reporter  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 01, 2009, 10:18:28 PM
One thing about it, during the presser, the man said that Tracy PD has never had a missing child before. 

That being said, people probably did feel safe.  Plus, most people think it will never happen to them. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 01, 2009, 10:22:30 PM
One thing about it, during the presser, the man said that Tracy PD has never had a missing child before. 

That being said, people probably did feel safe.  Plus, most people think it will never happen to them. 
That's very true.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 01, 2009, 10:33:58 PM
One thing about it, during the presser, the man said that Tracy PD has never had a missing child before. 

That being said, people probably did feel safe.  Plus, most people think it will never happen to them. 
That's very true.

also, her spokesperson for the family said that Sandra was not allowed to go outside of the park and that she would never do that...They probably did feel safe...nice people for neighbors, safe area...but one can never be too careful...and damn it that we can't let our kids out to play like we all used to and not have to worry that some weirdo will come along and take them!
we played out from morning till night...parents just let kids run and play in the neighborhood and ride bikes..when the street light came on, we all gathered under the street light and played kick the can in the summer...! it was very fun for a kid back then I think..so different from our world today...how very sad...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: TxLady2 on April 01, 2009, 11:26:22 PM
They " The Police" Have to know the circumstances behind that kiss on the lips..
I know when I was very young it was not uncommon for the kids to give family members a kiss before going to bed..
Times have changed...
Apparently this fellow was not even a family friend.. But how exactly that happened at a public pool is the question, was that in front of her parents ?

I can't imagine that in this day and age..

I know this is far more common and excepted in Europe. This aint Europe.

That kiss bothers me... a lot!! In my family, we didn't kiss our brothers, uncles, cousins, etc. Even a family friend would not get by with kissing a child on the lips. It is highly inappropriate, IMO. If they were in the pool, I wonder what else he might have got away with... like getting too close, too much body contact? KWIM? Being "nice" as he called it has nothing to do with it. HE might have thought it was nice. It wasn't!! Both he and the other guy look creepy to me.
I am praying for this little girl and her family. Please, God, we don't need any more murdered children!!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: TxLady2 on April 01, 2009, 11:31:43 PM
One thing about it, during the presser, the man said that Tracy PD has never had a missing child before. 

That being said, people probably did feel safe.  Plus, most people think it will never happen to them. 
That's very true.

also, her spokesperson for the family said that Sandra was not allowed to go outside of the park and that she would never do that...They probably did feel safe...nice people for neighbors, safe area...but one can never be too careful...and damn it that we can't let our kids out to play like we all used to and not have to worry that some weirdo will come along and take them!
we played out from morning till night...parents just let kids run and play in the neighborhood and ride bikes..when the street light came on, we all gathered under the street light and played kick the can in the summer...! it was very fun for a kid back then I think..so different from our world today...how very sad...

It is sad, Cookie. We cannot take our eyes off our kids and grandkids for a second nowadays. When I was growing up, I could walk from my house to town to go to the movies it, was maybe 1/2 a mile... never a fear. And as a teen, my g/f and I walked 2 miles into town and back (different town.) Now kids can't go play in their own front yard!
I've heard the interviews saying she wouldn't go outside the park, but also from neighbors that she was very friendly, and that might have been a problem, since she is such a pretty little girl.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 01, 2009, 11:36:56 PM
They " The Police" Have to know the circumstances behind that kiss on the lips..
I know when I was very young it was not uncommon for the kids to give family members a kiss before going to bed..
Times have changed...
Apparently this fellow was not even a family friend.. But how exactly that happened at a public pool is the question, was that in front of her parents ?

I can't imagine that in this day and age..

I know this is far more common and excepted in Europe. This aint Europe.

That kiss bothers me... a lot!! In my family, we didn't kiss our brothers, uncles, cousins, etc. Even a family friend would not get by with kissing a child on the lips. It is highly inappropriate, IMO. If they were in the pool, I wonder what else he might have got away with... like getting too close, too much body contact? KWIM? Being "nice" as he called it has nothing to do with it. HE might have thought it was nice. It wasn't!! Both he and the other guy look creepy to me.
I am praying for this little girl and her family. Please, God, we don't need any more murdered children!!

He could have done all those things....nothing has been said about it though....wonder who was with her at the pool when the kiss happened? it was very wrong...
I don't however for what ever reason think that he has  anything to do with her disappearance...but time will tell...it just seemed that he was being honest and straightforward when he was talking to the reporters...
I sure home that she is found soon....bless her little heart...she must be so scared...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 01, 2009, 11:41:44 PM
Thanks for all the updates.  I am following this story in the news and still hopeful and prayerful that this child is found alive.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 01, 2009, 11:45:04 PM
One thing about it, during the presser, the man said that Tracy PD has never had a missing child before. 

That being said, people probably did feel safe.  Plus, most people think it will never happen to them. 
That's very true.

also, her spokesperson for the family said that Sandra was not allowed to go outside of the park and that she would never do that...They probably did feel safe...nice people for neighbors, safe area...but one can never be too careful...and damn it that we can't let our kids out to play like we all used to and not have to worry that some weirdo will come along and take them!
we played out from morning till night...parents just let kids run and play in the neighborhood and ride bikes..when the street light came on, we all gathered under the street light and played kick the can in the summer...! it was very fun for a kid back then I think..so different from our world today...how very sad...

True story. I never thought in a million I would repeat it, I guess it is time.
When I was 4 years old, I wanted to follow my sibling to school. I asked them repeatedly when we were in the car; Is this the way to school? Is this the way? I started getting up at the same time and when my Mom (dad already off to work) started putting me back to bed, I began getting up and dressing myself as if I was going to school in the middle of the night.. I was determined.

Anyway, one morning, when my Mom was tending to my sister upstairs, an infant, I took off for school. Yes, 4 years old, walking through town. BTW, sibling was taunting me so gave me wrong directions.

1.5 Miles away, after my Mom called the Police within 5 minutes from the time I left, I was walking across a bridge when a reporter pulled over, stopping traffic, and asked me my name and where I was supposed to be. The reporter drove me to the PD (no cells, and yes, I got in the car..) where I told them a false name (apparently figured out I was in UGE trouble) that of my playmate and an address 1 block from where I lived; I sat at the PD for hours. When the PD finally coordinated me and my hysterical mother -they took me home. My Mom, set to spank me, dropped to her knees and wailed like I have not seen ever again. ( I paused for 15 mintues to finish this and called my Mommy) Yes, it made the front page.

She said (wailed) "You NEVER can leave without Mommy or Daddy.. Bad people are everywhere. They will take you and be mean and never bring you back..   When I am done crying, you are so getting punished. I did not.

I say this because truth be told, I am one of the luckiest kids of that generation, we were all there. Good parents, no reason to fear, because they never experienced it themselves. No google to research.  

It is my hope that someone reading my admittedly dysfunctional true tale, will laugh, and then warn someone.
 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 01, 2009, 11:59:25 PM
It seems the Tracy PD called for FBI assistance right from the start and I think that is commendable.  It may make all the difference. 

Unfortunately, it is just so easy to make a person totally disappear.  I had such hopes when the dogs were brought in so quickly as well but this is a story we are seeing repeated more and more all the time.

From following cases in the past, we all know that with each passing day, the statistics shift more toward the unfavorable side.  Please may whoever has her just let her go.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 02, 2009, 12:13:58 AM
And from the sounds of it, they are not ready to give up.  I know the officer that I talked to said they are all on 12 hr shifts right now, and if there is something suspicious, they are on call to come check it out.  I still have hope that she is going to be in her mom's arms, alive and well, SOON!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 02, 2009, 12:21:29 AM
And from the sounds of it, they are not ready to give up.  I know the officer that I talked to said they are all on 12 hr shifts right now, and if there is something suspicious, they are on call to come check it out.  I still have hope that she is going to be in her mom's arms, alive and well, SOON!

me too Spring!


Blinks...thank goodness your story turned out good...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 02, 2009, 12:36:06 AM
It seems the Tracy PD called for FBI assistance right from the start and I think that is commendable.  It may make all the difference. 

Unfortunately, it is just so easy to make a person totally disappear.  I had such hopes when the dogs were brought in so quickly as well but this is a story we are seeing repeated more and more all the time.

From following cases in the past, we all know that with each passing day, the statistics shift more toward the unfavorable side.  Please may whoever has her just let her go.

I agree Anna- the FBI in the early stages makes all the difference.




Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 02, 2009, 01:16:56 AM
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17692/2268/

Comment:

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written by mom 2009 , April 01, 2009
DID THE POLICE CHECK DR POWERS PARK BY THE BBQ THERE IS A PILE OF LEAVES THAT WAS NOT THERE LAST WEEK BEFORE SANDEA WENT MISSING I KNOW IN MY HEART SHE IS STILL ALIVE



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Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 02, 2009, 01:37:05 AM
That's kind of an odd comment to leave.  I hope that person called it in, if they are for real.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 02, 2009, 02:11:40 AM
11 pm news.

News agencies found the house being searched in Oakdale.  Relatives of Sinclair (guy who fussed about them searching his place).  Husband and wife.  Neighbors describe them as quiet.  He works all the time, mows grass on the weekends.

FBI swooped in, had ladders, shovels, metal detectors, you name it.  There was a hole that had been dug by a patio.  Investigators were not interviewed there.  Nothing was shown being taken out, only that ladders, etc. were being taken into the yard.

Also showed video of them searching at the landfill.  They were specific in that they are looking for the pink Hello Kitty shirt.  Everything else was a repeat of earlier.

Goodnight monkeys!  I hope to wake to good news in the morning!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 02, 2009, 07:36:27 AM
11 pm news.

News agencies found the house being searched in Oakdale.  Relatives of Sinclair (guy who fussed about them searching his place).  Husband and wife.  Neighbors describe them as quiet.  He works all the time, mows grass on the weekends.

FBI swooped in, had ladders, shovels, metal detectors, you name it.  There was a hole that had been dug by a patio.  Investigators were not interviewed there.  Nothing was shown being taken out, only that ladders, etc. were being taken into the yard.

Also showed video of them searching at the landfill.  They were specific in that they are looking for the pink Hello Kitty shirt.  Everything else was a repeat of earlier.

Goodnight monkeys!  I hope to wake to good news in the morning!

Thanks Spring and everyone for the updates-
B


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: theboyzmom on April 02, 2009, 09:25:00 AM
My dear Monkey Friends-

No mas, you know I lub ya. Here's the danger in making any rationalization or justification for a grown man kissing a child on the lips that is not a non-perv relative.
 A REAL LIFE PERV will use whatever you say as rationalization and justification for their behavior. I am not saying this to make anyone wrong in any way. I am saying this because there has to be a 0% tolerance policy on this issue, in any situation.

Two months ago I interviewed Ken Lanning, a 35 year veteran of the FBI, most consider the John Douglas of behavioral profiling of pedophilia and helped structure child porn laws for what they are today. I was so profoundly affected by it I have not and may never write on it. I felt it was so insightful that it would actually help pedos hone their craft. It haunts me to this day. Most do not know how prolific this illness is and how broadly it runs the perp spectrum.
I know I wish I did not after the fact, I am still having nightmares. I say that with complete respect for Mr. Lanning, who is an absolute subject matter expert (sme) and dedictaed pioneer in his profession. Not a pleasant subject.  

Blink - thanks for restating what all parents need to remember. PERVS hide in normal people clothing. And they will morph anything you say into an excuse for what they did or plan to do. Most pedos are great at making friends with children - they play games with the kids, they make them feel "special" - and scariest of all to me - the kids seem to like them. A lot of times it is just a prelude to trading sexual favors for playing with them. I personally know of one that would tell kids "If you let me (fill in the blank) then we can play (insert kid's favorite thing)." I was fooled by this sicko and he got not much more than a slap on the wrist and people still serve kids up to him like a smörgåsbord. Please know the people that your kids hang with and be paranoid.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 02, 2009, 09:38:14 AM
My dear Monkey Friends-

No mas, you know I lub ya. Here's the danger in making any rationalization or justification for a grown man kissing a child on the lips that is not a non-perv relative.
 A REAL LIFE PERV will use whatever you say as rationalization and justification for their behavior. I am not saying this to make anyone wrong in any way. I am saying this because there has to be a 0% tolerance policy on this issue, in any situation.

Two months ago I interviewed Ken Lanning, a 35 year veteran of the FBI, most consider the John Douglas of behavioral profiling of pedophilia and helped structure child porn laws for what they are today. I was so profoundly affected by it I have not and may never write on it. I felt it was so insightful that it would actually help pedos hone their craft. It haunts me to this day. Most do not know how prolific this illness is and how broadly it runs the perp spectrum.
I know I wish I did not after the fact, I am still having nightmares. I say that with complete respect for Mr. Lanning, who is an absolute subject matter expert (sme) and dedictaed pioneer in his profession. Not a pleasant subject.  

oh please know that I was in NO WAY trying to rationalize or justify what this creep-o did......i just am not sure he was involved in whatever happened to Sandra.  maybe because he didn't deny this happening....i dont know why I feel this way.  with that being said, i wouldn't be all that surprised if he was involved.  so as you can see, i really dont know what to think of this man...lol .   my feelings are all discombobulated!!!



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 02, 2009, 09:40:32 AM
snip boyzmom:
Please know the people that your kids hang with and be paranoid.

I am paranoid and I know everyone that my grand daughter who just turned 6 is around...I watch her like a hawk and will continue to do so...I may be over protective but I don't care...her parents do a good job as well....better safe than sorry...

unlike the Anthonys, there would never be a zanny the nanny that I had not met, been to her house and had her phone number...Another case I know, but that just baffles me that the Ants profess that Caylee was their whole life, but they had never even met this Zanny??!! granted she didn't exist, but still, they did not fulfill their duty as protectors in my opinion...
and that is what we are to our little ones...their protectors......


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 02, 2009, 09:44:05 AM
11 pm news.

News agencies found the house being searched in Oakdale.  Relatives of Sinclair (guy who fussed about them searching his place).  Husband and wife.  Neighbors describe them as quiet.  He works all the time, mows grass on the weekends.

FBI swooped in, had ladders, shovels, metal detectors, you name it.  There was a hole that had been dug by a patio.  Investigators were not interviewed there.  Nothing was shown being taken out, only that ladders, etc. were being taken into the yard.

Also showed video of them searching at the landfill.  They were specific in that they are looking for the pink Hello Kitty shirt.  Everything else was a repeat of earlier.

Goodnight monkeys!  I hope to wake to good news in the morning!

Thanks Spring and everyone for the updates-
B

Wow, so these people in Oakdale are relatives of Sinclair  ::MonkeyEek:: Ladders, shovels, metal detectors, that is scary. They are looking for the pink Hello Kitty shirt, so I'm assuming they are looking for this shirt thrown somewhere, not Sandra still wearing it, perhaps she is in different clothes, but I guess I'm being naive thinking that.  ::MonkeyWaa:: And Blink your story of when you were four, how very lucky, you sure were a determined four year old.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 02, 2009, 09:44:47 AM
snip LeRoy: oh please know that I was in NO WAY trying to rationalize or justify what this creep-o did..

me either LeRoy!
there is no justifying it...
I just feel that he was forthcoming and honest about what he did and hopefully realized that what he did was very inappropriate and by doing what he did, has put himself in a whole lot of suspicion and rightfully so....


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Scuterputer on April 02, 2009, 09:57:29 AM
Latest News on Sandra Cantu

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=sandra+cantu&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=RsPUSfeRM4qNtgeEgcngDw&sa=X&oi=news_result&resnum=1&ct=title

May this little girl be found and found today!!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 02, 2009, 10:18:09 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,512176,00.html

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Missing California Girl's Father Tells Her to 'Kick, Scream' to Escape
Thursday , April 02, 2009



The father of a missing 8-year-old California girl pleaded with her to "scream, kick, do what you need to do" to escape her captors as police sifted through dumpsters and a landfill for signs of the child.

Sandra Cantu's dad Daniel said he has spoken at length with police, according to FOX San Francisco affiliate KTVU.

"I've just gotten through a couple hours of being interrogated," Cantu said.

He is divorced from Sandra's mother and lives in Mexicali, along the California border with Mexico.

He hasn't seen his daughter in a year, he said, but he does want to get a message to her.

"Honey, if you can get to a phone, dial 911, babe," KTVU quoted him as saying. "Scream. Kick. Do what you need to do."

Cantu said he hadn't taken Sandra to Mexico.

Police combed through garbage at a landfill in Tracy, Calif., but turned up no clues.

A Tracy police spokesman said the search at the facility about seven miles from the mobile home park where Sandra lives with her family is routine.

Tracy Police Lt. Jeremy Watney said detectives hadn't gotten any information leading them to the landfill, but wanted to cover their bases.

Crews using bulldozers and other equipment were expected to be sifting through trash at the site all week.

The girl was last seen at about 4 p.m. on March 27, when a surveillance video camera recorded her walking away from her family's mobile home in Tracy. Her mother reported her missing at about 8 p.m.

Investigators said they're poring over more than 500 leads in their search for the child, but none of the tips indicate Sandra may not be alive.

"We're not ruling anything out, because the moment we do is when we're proven wrong," Watney told KTVU. "We're going to treat it as a missing person, as a runaway, possibly foul play."

To date, four vehicles have been towed away from the mobile home park, according to the station. Detectives have scoured footage from surveillance cameras pointed at the front entrance of the park.

Police say they're investigating two men classified as "persons of interest" in the case. The men's homes have been searched and their vehicles confiscated, and the evidence collected is undergoing forensic analysis.

But authorities have not said why the pair attracted the attention of police, what their names are or how they might be connected to the missing girl.

Sandra's family held another vigil for the girl in their trailer park Wednesday night.

The child is described as Hispanic, 4 feet tall and weighing 45 pounds, with brown hair and brown eyes. She was wearing a pink Hello Kitty T-shirt and black leggings when she was last seen.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 02, 2009, 10:18:14 AM
Latest News on Sandra Cantu

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=sandra+cantu&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=RsPUSfeRM4qNtgeEgcngDw&sa=X&oi=news_result&resnum=1&ct=title

May this little girl be found and found today!!
Thank-you  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 02, 2009, 10:20:43 AM
Thanks Klaas. I really am trying to figure out what was found at Sinclair's home to go to Oakdale, to a relative's house. To go to this relatives house, with ladders, shovels and metal detectors, is very disturbing.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 02, 2009, 10:29:46 AM
Metal detector to perhaps spot a lock box with child porn in it? But they didn't take anything with them  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 02, 2009, 10:42:41 AM
Metal detector to perhaps spot a lock box with child porn in it? But they didn't take anything with them  ::MonkeyConfused::


I don't know if they took anything.  The cameras just didn't show that part.  Only them showing up.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 02, 2009, 10:44:04 AM
Metal detector to perhaps spot a lock box with child porn in it? But they didn't take anything with them  ::MonkeyConfused::


I don't know if they took anything.  The cameras just didn't show that part.  Only them showing up.
Thank-you


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 02, 2009, 10:52:26 AM
Police defend search for Tracy girl
But officials admit scope of the case is unprecedented


By Daniel Thigpen
Record Staff Writer
April 02, 2009 6:00 AM

TRACY - With questions mounting and still no sign of little Sandra Cantu, the authorities searching for her have offered plenty of optimism but few answers to support it.

On Wednesday, five days after the 8-year-old girl's family reported her missing from their mobile home park, Tracy police defended their response in the critical hours after the second-grader vanished.

Police Lt. Jeremy Watney said investigators threw resources, both from within and outside of Tracy, toward the case almost immediately.

Tracy police, the FBI and the Carole Sund/Carrington Foundation are offering $7,000 in reward money for any information that leads to 8-year-old Sandra Cantu. A Sacramento bounty hunter says he is also offering a $10,000 reward for Sandra’s safe return.

Anyone with information about the girl’s whereabouts is urged to call the Tracy Police Department at (209) 831-4550 or the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children at (800) 843-5678.

Sandra is 4 feet tall, weighs 45 pounds and has brown hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a pink Hello Kitty T-shirt and black leggings.

A video camera recorded Sandra leaving her home about 4 p.m. Friday in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, in the 800 block of West Clover Road, police said. She hasn’t been seen since.
But he acknowledged the department is navigating unfamiliar territory.

"We haven't had a missing-child case like this in the city of Tracy," Watney said. "It's a new experience; ... we're living and learning."

Sandra was last seen leaving her mom's and grandparents' home in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park on West Clover Road about 4 p.m. Friday.

When the girl didn't arrive home as expected, family members searched for her until reporting her missing about 8 p.m., police said. Police said a search began within 15 minutes.

Watney said officers swarmed the trailer park that night and called in a California Highway Patrol helicopter as the sun set.

Shortly after initiating the search, police entered Sandra into a missing-persons database, eventually catching the attention of FBI agents, who offered their assistance, Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman said earlier this week.

Local authorities contacted the California Emergency Management Agency at 3 a.m. Saturday and mobilized 216 people and 12 dogs to help with the search for the missing girl, said Tom Murray, assistant chief of the agency's law enforcement branch.

That help came from Sacramento, Contra Costa, Marin, Alameda, Santa Clara and San Mateo counties, as well as from California Explorer Search and Rescue, a volunteer team based in the Bay Area, Murray said.

By then, the case was growing into a massive weekend effort, with hundreds of people, including volunteers, from throughout Northern California scouring the city.

Watney said most local media outlets were first notified of Sandra's disappearance at about 2 a.m. Saturday, although he said many organizations did not initially receive word because the department had outdated contact information.

Watney on Wednesday sought to assure a worried public that "we're starting to be able to narrow things down," but detectives still haven't ruled out any possibilities, including that Sandra was abducted or ran away.

"We're not going to leave any stones unturned," he said.

Watney admitted, however, that it's less likely a second-grader is simply on her own this long.

"It would be unusual for an 8-year-old to be gone for five days," he said.

No suspects have been identified and no search warrants have been issued since Monday.

Investigators and volunteers have searched the landfill in rural south Tracy multiple times for clues, but Watney would not say what, if anything, was found.

Police checkpoints at the mobile home park have ceased, for now, because they were targeting the same residents repeatedly, Watney said.

Among the other details learned Wednesday:

A family member dropped off Sandra's estranged father, Daniel Cantu, at the police station that morning. Watney said Cantu, who has not been named a suspect, voluntarily spoke to investigators because he wanted to know the status of the case.

Family and friends say the father lives in Mexico and works in Southern California, and has not been involved in Sandra's upbringing.

Watney also insisted police are keeping tabs on two male trailer park residents named in search warrants - but not named suspects - whose vehicles and homes were searched in a raid late Monday.

He said he is not concerned the men will flee but did not elaborate.

Police also continued to field questions about a two-year-old incident in which a man kissed Sandra on the lips in the trailer park's pool.

Frank Wohler, an Orchard Estates resident who teaches martial arts, said he was the one who kissed Sandra and that police on Monday searched his home and business.

Family members said they reported the kissing incident to police at the time. On Wednesday, Watney said police followed up on that report, but he said did not know what came of the investigation.

He said Police Chief Janet Thiessen has asked the department to review that investigation.

More than 500 tips were handed over to detectives by Wednesday afternoon, Watney said. "I really feel like there is progress being made," he said.

With little to go on but hope, Sandra's family sits and waits.

"That's the hardest part," said Angie Chavez, Sandra's aunt. "It's a living nightmare."

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090402/A_NEWS/904020341




Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 02, 2009, 10:57:10 AM
Thanks Leroy  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 02, 2009, 11:00:24 AM
Dad of missing 8-year-old California girl to undergo polygraph

KNTV
Published: April 2, 2009

The father of an 8-year-old California girl missing since last Friday has agreed to undergo a polygraph test.

Daniel Cantu said he will do anything to help find his daughter, Sandra, who disappeared from a park near her home in Tracy last week.

“She’s only eight years old. She’s small, she’s alone, she’s scared,“ Cantu said. “And I love her very much. And if she can get to a phone, please run, dial 911. Do what you need to do, honey.“

Cantu says he is frustrated and upset because police in Mexico raided his home there and threatened his new wife.

Meanwhile, volunteers and police are searching a landfill near the home of Sandra Cantu and her mother.

Police have identified two men they consider “persons of interest,“ though no arrests have been made.

Sandra was wearing a pink “Hello Kitty” T-shirt, a striped skirt and black leggings when she disappeared.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 02, 2009, 11:04:11 AM
that is good that the dad is going to take a poly...
he hasn't been in her life since she was 2 yrs old from what I saw on tv...would be odd that he would suddenly show up out of the blue and do any harm to her....but at least he is doing the poly and getting it out of the way....


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 02, 2009, 11:06:00 AM
that is good that the dad is going to take a poly...
he hasn't been in her life since she was 2 yrs old from what I saw on tv...would be odd that he would suddenly show up out of the blue and do any harm to her....but at least he is doing the poly and getting it out of the way....
I agree, I doubt very much that he had anything to do with Sandra's disappearance, it sounds like he has a new family.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Stacey on April 02, 2009, 11:11:44 AM
My dear Monkey Friends-

No mas, you know I lub ya. Here's the danger in making any rationalization or justification for a grown man kissing a child on the lips that is not a non-perv relative.
 A REAL LIFE PERV will use whatever you say as rationalization and justification for their behavior. I am not saying this to make anyone wrong in any way. I am saying this because there has to be a 0% tolerance policy on this issue, in any situation.

Two months ago I interviewed Ken Lanning, a 35 year veteran of the FBI, most consider the John Douglas of behavioral profiling of pedophilia and helped structure child porn laws for what they are today. I was so profoundly affected by it I have not and may never write on it. I felt it was so insightful that it would actually help pedos hone their craft. It haunts me to this day. Most do not know how prolific this illness is and how broadly it runs the perp spectrum.
I know I wish I did not after the fact, I am still having nightmares. I say that with complete respect for Mr. Lanning, who is an absolute subject matter expert (sme) and dedictaed pioneer in his profession. Not a pleasant subject.  

oh please know that I was in NO WAY trying to rationalize or justify what this creep-o did......i just am not sure he was involved in whatever happened to Sandra.  maybe because he didn't deny this happening....i dont know why I feel this way.  with that being said, i wouldn't be all that surprised if he was involved.  so as you can see, i really dont know what to think of this man...lol .   my feelings are all discombobulated!!!



Hello Monkeys

I have talked to my kids till I was blue in the face hubby said you are going to scare them and I said GOOD
I told him that I want my voice the voice they hear not some scum bag's voice
All children are a gift to us from God and we need to protect them from evil

monkey hugs


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 02, 2009, 11:20:06 AM
Stacey, I know I got that from my husband as well that I was scaring the girls. Not just about these issues, but also about going near the rivers and lakes, when they were little growing up in Wi. I would literaly talk and lecture, I have to say I'm glad they are in their twentys, not that there isn't worry of course....


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Stacey on April 02, 2009, 12:10:43 PM
Stacey, I know I got that from my husband as well that I was scaring the girls. Not just about these issues, but also about going near the rivers and lakes, when they were little growing up in Wi. I would literaly talk and lecture, I have to say I'm glad they are in their twentys, not that there isn't worry of course....

I know what you mean No Rose
one of mine are in there twentys and one almost there still worry about them that will never stop

When the oldest was 4 we went out to eat and when we were done I was paying and he went out to the gum machine
I could still see him and he made me so proud a man had walked in and said something to him and he stood with shoulders back and was looking at this man in the face and said
Your not suppost to talk to me I don't know you and when I came out the man told me he was sorry and your son did what he was suppost to do and I said he sure did


monkey hugs


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 02, 2009, 12:17:43 PM
This is very interesting, and since my ability to link is horrible I hope this works. 


Quote:
In the span of about six weeks, four men have been arrested and accused of possessing child porn, having sex with kids or molesting women. 

http://tracypress.com/content/view/17588/2268/   This is from March.  ::MonkeyEek::
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Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 02, 2009, 01:35:18 PM
Immigrants that come here from many nations, especially south of the boarder seek out young victims as it is practiced in the cultures from which they were born into.
They do not appear to seek out photos and movies.. You wont find them on the Internet.
They just take live victims.. Which may have happened in this case.
jmho


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 02, 2009, 01:37:39 PM
Immigrants that come here from many nations, especially south of the boarder seek out young victims as it is practiced in the cultures from which they were born into.
They do not appear to seek out photos and movies.. You wont find them on the Internet.
They just take live victims.. Which may have happened in this case.
jmho
Would you explain more about that please.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 02, 2009, 01:39:46 PM
Border


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 02, 2009, 01:49:12 PM
Immigrants that come here from many nations, especially south of the boarder seek out young victims as it is practiced in the cultures from which they were born into.
They do not appear to seek out photos and movies.. You wont find them on the Internet.
They just take live victims.. Which may have happened in this case.
jmho
Would you explain more about that please.

You will have to seek out the information on that.
Many crimes against women and children are committed by people who ended up in America by legal and Illegal methods. I have many many links to qualified scources that track these crimes.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 02, 2009, 01:52:26 PM
Immigrants that come here from many nations, especially south of the boarder seek out young victims as it is practiced in the cultures from which they were born into.
They do not appear to seek out photos and movies.. You wont find them on the Internet.
They just take live victims.. Which may have happened in this case.
jmho
Would you explain more about that please.

You will have to seek out the information on that.
Many crimes against women and children are committed by people who ended up in America by legal and Illegal methods. I have many many links to qualified scources that track these crimes.
Thank-you


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 02, 2009, 02:10:00 PM
Does anyone think that maybe Sandra's father had something to do with this, I don't, but at this point anything could be possible.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 02, 2009, 02:54:09 PM
Immigrants that come here from many nations, especially south of the boarder seek out young victims as it is practiced in the cultures from which they were born into.
They do not appear to seek out photos and movies.. You wont find them on the Internet.
They just take live victims.. Which may have happened in this case.
jmho
Would you explain more about that please.

You will have to seek out the information on that.
Many crimes against women and children are committed by people who ended up in America by legal and Illegal methods. I have many many links to qualified sources that track these crimes.
Thank-you

I am at work so it is hard for me to pull up some of these links..

http://www.voiac.org/victims.php
http://www.voiac.org/index.php

From my research notes...
After conducting a 12 month in-depth study of illegal immigrants who committed sex crimes and murders for the time period of January 1999 through April 2006 , it is clear that the U.S. public faces a dangerous threat from sex predators who cross the U.S. borders illegally.

There were 1500 cases analyzed in depth. They included: serial rapes, serial murders, sexual homicides, and child molestation committed by illegal immigrants. Police reports, public records, interviews with police, and media accounts were all included. Offenders were located in 36 states, but it is clear, that the most of the offenders were located in states with the highest numbers of illegal immigrants. California was number one, followed by Texas, Arizona, New Jersey, New York, and Florida.
======================

Here is another.. Dr. Schurman-Kauflin

Slavery is not dead. This wretched practice is alive and well around the entire world. In fact, there are around 2 million sex slaves today. I recently did a study of illegal immigrants in the U.S.  who commit sex crimes. In the process, I discovered that there are many illegal immigrants who are the victims of sex crimes. Being illegal immigrants, many times, they remain silent, and with silence, bad things prosper.

Women and girls are trafficked from many countries in Europe, Asia, Africa, Latin America, and the Middle East. Mexico is the number one source for young female sex slaves in North America. Tlaxcala, in Central Mexico serves as a hotbed for slave traders.  Young women and girls are abducted, tricked, and sometimes sold by poor families into a caged life. Highly prized are 12 year old girls sneaking across the border into the United States. The girls are grabbed by Los Lenones, aka pimps, and dragged to unfamiliar areas where they are 'broken in.' It is well known that this often occurs in Mexico. The initiation process entails  20-30 men per day having brutal sex with the girls and women. Victims are beaten, drugged, and repeatedly raped until their wills are broken. It is then that the sale is possible.

http://www.drdsk.com/articles.html#SexTrafficking

Anyways.. We have no idea Who has taken this girl or Amber Dubois..But we have to keep our eyes open to all possibilities.
 This is not the thread to post all the information I have researched on this subject..
It is not a nice or easy to read subject.
jmho


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 02, 2009, 02:57:36 PM
I do not think the dad is involved at all.. He tells his daughter to kick and scream and mom tells her to stay strong and hold her head up no matter what..
These are great things to tell your child.. It is what will keep her alive and maybe somebody will recognize her like that little girl in the restaurant not so long ago..I forget her name..
She is safe today..


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 02, 2009, 03:03:35 PM
I do not think the dad is involved at all.. He tells his daughter to kick and scream and mom tells her to stay strong and hold her head up no matter what..
These are great things to tell your child.. It is what will keep her alive and maybe somebody will recognize her like that little girl in the restaurant not so long ago..I forget her name..
She is safe today..

Edward...that would be Shasta Groene (?)....beautiful brave little girl...she has been through so much...

I don't think that dad is involved in Sandra's disappearance either...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 02, 2009, 03:17:09 PM
I do not think the dad is involved at all.. He tells his daughter to kick and scream and mom tells her to stay strong and hold her head up no matter what..
These are great things to tell your child.. It is what will keep her alive and maybe somebody will recognize her like that little girl in the restaurant not so long ago..I forget her name..
She is safe today..
Thank-you, for all that info, I appreciate it, I did not realize some of the info you posted.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 02, 2009, 03:18:14 PM
The only part I question about the dad... Did he Hire or make friends out of any Mexican aliens working in his home for cash or let them stay over...

This is an interesting statistic done by.. Dr.Deborah Schurman-Kauflin

Concerning the post above ..
where she does a study of illegals committing violent acts to americans.

In that study...

Schurman-Kauflin breaks down the 1,500 cases reviewed this way:


525, or 35 percent, were child molestations

358, or 24 percent, were rapes

617, or 41 percent, were sexual homicides and serial murders
Of the child molestations, 47 percent of the victims were Hispanic, 36 percent Caucasian, 8 percent Asian, 6 percent African American and 3 percent other nationalities.

In 82 percent of the cases, she noted, the victims were known to their attackers.

"In those instances, the illegal immigrants typically gained access to the victims after having worked as a day laborer at or near the victims' homes," she says. "Victims ranged in age from 1 year old to 13 years old, with the average age being 6."

...
Please read all of the report here..
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50441


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 02, 2009, 03:24:44 PM
Thank-you Edward, I really had no idea to the extent of the problem with illegals.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 02, 2009, 03:25:28 PM
Edward..wow...that is fascinating stuff....
who knew?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 02, 2009, 03:31:05 PM
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17695/2268/    Father proclaims innocence


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 02, 2009, 03:31:11 PM
Tracy California is a farm worker area... This girl is Hispanic
She fits in a high percentage category according to that study.
The family should be considering it. Anybody they have befriended or has worked for them from south of the border and who has been to there home.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 02, 2009, 03:40:17 PM
Thank-you Edward, I really had no idea to the extent of the problem with illegals.

Politicians would like all of us to be wearing rose colored glasses on this subject..
The truth is alarming.   ::MonkeyEek::

We are under attack.. Yet the mayor of San Francisco makes his area a safe haven for illegals..
They like to use the term Illegal Immigrant.. Which is all reality is wrong

1. Illegal is one thing.. It is Criminal
2. Immigrant is another.. You apply to become a legal immigrant.

There is no such thing as an illegal immigrant unless you and I allow it to exist and the politicians are pushing this term down our throats.
But that is another subject..  ::MonkeyWink::

Anyways back to work..  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 02, 2009, 03:51:30 PM
Thank-you Edward, I really had no idea to the extent of the problem with illegals.

Politicians would like all of us to be wearing rose colored glasses on this subject..
The truth is alarming.   ::MonkeyEek::

We are under attack.. Yet the mayor of San Francisco makes his area a safe haven for illegals..
They like to use the term Illegal Immigrant.. Which is all reality is wrong

1. Illegal is one thing.. It is Criminal
2. Immigrant is another.. You apply to become a legal immigrant.

There is no such thing as an illegal immigrant unless you and I allow it to exist and the politicians are pushing this term down our throats.
But that is another subject..  ::MonkeyWink::

Anyways back to work..  ::MonkeyCool::

agree with you as do most Americans that I know...too bad our voices are never heard....we are only needed when more taxes are due...so that the fat cats of Washington can get richer and make "mistakes" on their tax returns... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 02, 2009, 03:57:56 PM
Agree with both of you Edward and Cookie  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 02, 2009, 04:23:08 PM
Anything new today?  I had to work some.  Was there a morning presser?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Lovinlife on April 02, 2009, 04:29:54 PM
Edward,

I copied your post above in the Adji thread, I hope you don't mind.  I thought it might have some relevance with that case as well. 

Lovinlife


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 02, 2009, 04:39:37 PM
This morning:

http://snipurl.com/f3lam


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 02, 2009, 04:44:39 PM
Post it where it fits.. There may be many.

Currant news with a video..
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/02/BAT016RI7F.DTL&tsp=1


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 02, 2009, 06:29:00 PM
Investigating an 8 year old running away is absurd behavior by professionals.. jmho

Dad is from Mexico ..
 He knows that she could have been taken by an Mexican alien and is now being held in Mexico.

But if that did not happen and a American perv got her and murdered her "I hope not" But if it happened, he could slip her body into the California Aqueduct.. This is a man made river that runs from Sacramento to Los Angeles..
 The under currant runs above 30 mph and many bodies have been lost in it over the years. Anyways the only reason I mention this is that the California Aqueduct is located close to Tracy. It has many out of sight locations that a person could access by car do such a thing and not be seen. I have fished in it many times, you do not want to fall into this waterway.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 02, 2009, 06:34:39 PM
Investigating an 8 year old running away is absurd behavior by professionals.. jmho

Dad is from Mexico ..
 He knows that she could have been taken by an Mexican alien and is now being held in Mexico.

But if that did not happen and a American perv got her and murdered her "I hope not" But if it happened, he could slip her body into the California Aqueduct.. This is a man made river that runs from Sacramento to Los Angeles..
 The under currant runs above 30 mph and many bodies have been lost in it over the years. Anyways the only reason I mention this is that the California Aqueduct is located close to Tracy. It has many out of sight locations that a person could access by car do such a thing and not be seen. I have fished in it many times, you do not want to fall into this waterway.

today's activities boat/water search...no divers planned, on the Old River on the delta from 10-3; not because of leads...covering bases. Would this flow into the Aqueduct?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 02, 2009, 06:41:10 PM
this child did not run away and I am outraged that the police are even considering such a thing! she is 8 yrs old for crying out loud...in the 2nd grade!!!! Please....don't insult this family by even thinking that this child ran away Police department...hello.....anyone in there???


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 02, 2009, 06:42:58 PM
(http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:h9BolmVw5Z5uqM::polizeros.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/cali-aqueduct2.jpg)

(http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:6OhyKzyxVGHzEM::www.centralbasin.org/slideshows/mapCaliforniaAqueduct.gif)

(http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:fiyhyuddir6zBM::upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/Tupman_California_California_Aqueduct_Mile_236.JPG)



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 02, 2009, 06:50:31 PM
(http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:h9BolmVw5Z5uqM::polizeros.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/cali-aqueduct2.jpg)

(http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:6OhyKzyxVGHzEM::www.centralbasin.org/slideshows/mapCaliforniaAqueduct.gif)

(http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:fiyhyuddir6zBM::upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/Tupman_California_California_Aqueduct_Mile_236.JPG)


Thank-you


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: RiverWalk on April 02, 2009, 06:58:51 PM
http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_local_headlines/?Police-Eye-Oakdale-Property-in-Search-fo=1&blockID=256041&feedID=190

Police Eye Oakdale Property in Search for Sandra
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April 2, 2009
TRACY  - As the search for Sandra Cantu continued for a sixth night, family and friends gathered for another prayer vigil on Wednesday, refusing to give up hope that Sandra will come home.  Meantime, Tracy investigators are working around the clock to find the missing 8-year-old, who disappeared from the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park on Friday, March 27th.  Since then, volunteers and officials from the FBI and officers from area agencies have been searching cars, homes and going door to door in search of clues.
     
On Thursday, April 1st, police expanded their search to the Tracy landfill as well as a home in Oakdale.  Authorities tell us the home belongs to a relative of Chris Sinclair, a resident of the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park who has been identified as a person of interest in the case.  FOX40 spoke with Sinclair, who says he's not sure why he's under investigation.  Sinclair said he returned home earlier this week, and both of his cars were gone.  He says police asked if he knew anything about Sandra's disappearance.  Martial arts instructor, Frank Wohler, is another person of interest who has  been questioned by police.  He lives a few houses down from Sandra and peaked the interest of investigators when they learned he kissed Sanda on the lips at the community pool two years ago.  Wohler says he was just being friendly and nice.  "It's kinda my nature and I haven't talked to her since.  I've seen her in the park, but that's it," Wohler said.
     
In addition to the search in Oakdale, officers have impounded three cars as part of the investigation. The cars are being examined by a team of investigators from the Tracy Police Department and the FBI.  Investigators say they're still sifting through the more than 500 tips they've received since Sandra's disappearance.  One of those tips was from a family acquaintance, alleging Sandra's father, Daniel Cantu, may have kidnapped his daughter and taken her to Mexico.  In an interview with FOX40, Daniel Cantu denied the allegations.  He said the reason he went back to Mexico earlier this week is because, "I needed to get back for my job."  Cantu says he returned to Tracy on Tuesday and has been in constant contact with investigators.  Cantu admits he wishes he saw more of his daughter, but said there has never been an issue over custody.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 02, 2009, 07:01:31 PM
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17697/2268/

Police search Old River for clues   
Written by Jennifer Wadsworth and Justin Lafferty     
Thursday, 02 April 2009 
 

A police spokesman said today a boat is searching Old River north of Tracy as investigators check out nearly 600 leads.


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Lt. Jeremy Watney addressed the press this morning. Glenn Moore/Tracy PressInvestigators will search Old River this afternoon in search of clues that would help them find an 8-year-old Tracy girl missing now for nearly six full days.

Meanwhile, Tracy police and volunteers will continue digging through the trash of everyone in the city through the weekend, and keep pursuing every one of the 569 leads that have come in since little Sandra Cantu went missing on Friday afternoon from her home in Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park.

Investigators refuse to say what sort of evidence they’ve found so far, but police said that what was found has helped narrow down the case.

“From videotapes to psychics, there is no single lead that is ignored until it is investigated,” said Tracy police Lt. Jeremy Watney today at a morning press conference.

Some of those leads have prompted police to re-interview some people at the mobile home park, Watney said, and to perform lie detector tests on “more than one” person.

Police refused to disclose who those people are and have yet to name any suspects, “persons of interest” or any names associated with several search warrants served on two men in the mobile home park. Watney further refused to say whether Sandra’s estranged father Daniel Cantu, 37, was one of those people.

Police asked Cantu to come to the station today for further questioning, after the Mexico resident came voluntarily on Wednesday and talked with police for a couple hours.

Whether the father will take a lie detector test is proprietary for now, Watney said. Cantu was arrested several times in the late 1990s through 2001 on various drug charges, records show. He was also charged more than a decade ago with civil harassment.

Watney did say that police searched a property in Oakdale on Wednesday, the second search in the Stanislaus County town since Tuesday. He refused to say whether the second search was of the same home.

Though police have yet to name any suspects, two men’s names have come up this week — one is 49-year-old Christian Sinclair who was arrested on Monday on suspicion of interfering with police as they searched his mobile home. The other is 61-year-old Frank Wohler, an eighth-degree black belt martial arts instructor who admitted that he kissed Sandra on the lips two years ago.


Sandra Cantu, 8.Police said today that they have yet to look up the report filed by Sandra’s family about the incident.

Officers and agents got search warrants and combed through Wohler’s martial arts studio on Monday, taking DVDs with pictures and his cell phone, he said. They also searched his mobile home near Sandra’s, though he declined to say what was taken there. Police said Wednesday four cars have been towed as evidence from the mobile home park.

Sinclair has had other run-ins with the law, court records show, including a charge of being intoxicated in public and restraining orders from his parents and a woman who lived near him.

Criminal records show that in February 2003, Rebecca Crowther, who lived in Orchard Estates, served Sinclair with a restraining order. In a form, Crowther wrote that on Jan. 6, 2003, Sinclair grabbed the back of her neck and slammed it against a car’s windshield. She said that he pounded her head into the steering wheel until she lost consciousness.

Crowther wrote that then “he is always abusive verbally and emotionally.” Later that month, Sinclair threatened her with a gun and called her derogatory names, she charged.


Volunteers rake garbage in a hunt for clues on Wednesday. Glenn Moore/Tracy PressChristian Sinclair was also served a restraining order by his parents, Sammie and Conrad Sinclair, who also lived at Orchard Estates. According to a form that Sammie Sinclair filled out, on Feb. 17 of 2004, Christian forced himself into her mobile home.

Sammie wrote that she was worried that she would be evicted because of her son’s behavior, that he was an alcoholic and drug user, that he had broken many rules at the park, and that he shouted obscenities at her.

Records show that he has also gone by the names of Christian P. Sinclair and Brandon C. Sinclair.

The reward from Tracy Crimestoppers and from the Carole Sund/Carrington Memorial Reward Foundation still for information leading to the girl’s whereabouts has been upped from $7,000 earlier this week to at least $9,000 thanks to donations from the public.

Sacramento bounty hunter Leonard Padilla has offered $10,000 for her safe return of Sandra by midnight Sunday, “no questions asked.”

Tracy Crimestoppers and the nonprofit Carole Sund/Carrington Memorial Reward Foundation still seek donations and local volunteers have stationed themselves outside some stores around Tracy to collect reward money from shoppers.

Police today released home videos of Sandra from birthdays and holidays. The footage will play on public access TV channel 26 and on news stations. Police plan to keep private the surveillance footage from the mobile park that recorded Sandra walking past her family’s home around 4 p.m. Friday.

Local police and the slew of other agencies involved in the search will try to come up with ways those volunteers can help over the coming weekend, because they expect that with the work week over, hundreds will turn out. Watney said they can help distribute the missing-persons poster and probably comb the city again like they did last weekend.

Though nearly a week has passed since the Jacobson Elementary School second-grader was seen, Watney said he has reason to believe the search is nearing to some conclusion and remains optimistic.

“Are people getting tired? Yes. Are people getting frustrated? Yes,” Watney told reporters at City Hall this morning. “But everybody is hoping for the best until proven otherwise.”

• Anyone with information is encouraged to call Tracy Crimestoppers at 831-6847. Padilla can be reached at www.leonardpadilla.net.

• Contact Tracy Press reporter Jennifer Wadsworth at 830-4225 or 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 02, 2009, 07:03:58 PM
No way to know if this is his, but freakin creepy:

http://www.christophersinclair.com/

Site about a "panel van" looks like a hearse
That does look like a Hearse. It's not an El Camino .. unless he totally changed the frame.
Remember the Old Movie Harold & Maude. Harold was obsessed with Death so he took his Car and turned into a Hearse ..... hmmm. Yah.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 02, 2009, 07:11:27 PM
That is a lot of information to chew on.. No wonder everyone is being questioned so many times.. Everyone is or has been into drinking drugs and behaviors requiring law enforcment actions..
What a trailer park... Gee Wiz.. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 02, 2009, 07:14:50 PM
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17698/2268/

Saturday volunteers sought for flier duty    
Written by Press staff     
Thursday, 02 April 2009 
 

The fire department is looking for volunteers to hand out fliers Saturday in the effort to find missing 8-year-old Sandra Cantu.

Tracy’s Community Emergency Response Team is looking for more volunteers Saturday to hand out fliers out in the effort to find missing 8-year-old Sandra Cantu.

The group is looking for civilian volunteers to pass out fliers from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. Saturday at the old Linne Road Fire Station, 7700 Linne Road. Right now, the trained volunteers are based at the fire administration building at Ninth Street and Central Avenue.

“There’ll be a place for people to come out and get fliers, that’s what we’re mostly doing for volunteers right now,” said Ken Silligman, the team’s leader and chief volunteer.

Silligman said that since Saturday, nearly 10,000 fliers have been printed, all of which were donated by local businesses, and the organization will send about 1,500 fliers to Manteca to be passed out at the Crossroads Street Faire.

For information: Tracy Fire Department, 831-6700.
 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 02, 2009, 07:18:34 PM
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17696/2268/

New photos released     
Written by Tracy Press     
Thursday, 02 April 2009 
 

Family and friends of Sandra Cantu have given police some recent photos of her — from her March birthday, Christmas and the Fourth of July 2008.

 
(http://tracypress.com/images/stories/April_2009/0402sandra2july2.jpg)

(http://tracypress.com/images/stories/April_2009/0402sandrabirthday6.jpg)

(http://tracypress.com/images/stories/April_2009/0402sandrabirthday7.jpg)

(http://tracypress.com/images/stories/April_2009/0402sandrabirthday11.jpg)

(http://tracypress.com/images/stories/April_2009/0402sandracandid2.jpg)

(http://tracypress.com/images/stories/April_2009/0402sandracandid.jpg)

(http://tracypress.com/images/stories/April_2009/0402sandracandidbat.jpg)

(http://tracypress.com/images/stories/April_2009/0402sandrachristmas.jpg)

(http://tracypress.com/images/stories/April_2009/0402sandrabirthday3x.jpg)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: RiverWalk on April 02, 2009, 07:20:16 PM
Video of the motel surveillance near Sandra's home

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfJZng8vnXI


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 02, 2009, 07:27:41 PM
Not sure if this will work - Map of current Sex Offenders " Tracy California" - searched by Zip code. Says 49 Sex offenders and 24 Unmappable - what does that mean? They have no clue where they are? Zip code: 95376
Tried to copy the map and no can do ... its a png image.

http://www.familywatchdog.us/ShowMap.asp?frm=0

color coded and dotted with these below
offense against children
    Offender Home
    Offender Work
rape
    Offender Home
    Offender Work
sexual battery
    Offender Home
    Offender Work
other offense
    Offender Home
    Offender Work



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 02, 2009, 07:37:08 PM
Correct me if I am wrong  = Is it not By Law that a Sex Offender can not live near a public school? Because on this Watch Dog site with this Map of Tracy Ca. You can click on any of the Dots and another window opens with the Perps face and info.
http://www.familywatchdog.us/ShowMap.asp?frm=0
The X ( white with and X boxes) are Schools & Parks. Seems that there is no boundaries set between these perps and public schools. You click on the White boxes and it shows the distance of these people from the school ...  One is .13 miles - 1000 Feet from the School  ::MonkeyNoNo::
for another example - I clicked on this
Willow Community Day School
address:     
2626 Tracy Blvd.
Tracy, CA 95376
closest offender    0.19 miles
offenders within 1000 ft    1

GARCIA, JOSE MANUEL
2336 BESSIE AVE
TRACY, CA 95376
distance: 1006 feet
convictions:
288(a) LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACTS WITH CHILD UNDER 14 YEARS
   GARCIA, JOSE MANUEL
 
offenders within 1/2 mile    4

--------------
I don't get it  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: RiverWalk on April 02, 2009, 07:39:20 PM
JVM - Hello Kitty pink shirt found in the trash dump, but Sandra's mother said it wasn't Sandra's?????????????????
Going over the kissing dude and what a creep his is
Chris Sinclair's record


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 02, 2009, 07:45:56 PM
JVM - Hello Kitty pink shirt found in the trash dump, but Sandra's mother said it wasn't Sandra's?????????????????
Going over the kissing dude and what a creep his is
Chris Sinclair's record
Wow that is something that a Hello Kitty shirt was found. Is it for sure that she was wearing a Hello Kitty shirt? I mean was that what she wore to school that day? Or did she change clothing when she got home from school ? It must be on the video I would guess unless they can only see walking from the camera and not into it.
She has been missing for awhile and they said on the News on CNN today that LE has been going through all the garbage at the Transfer station - for all intense purposes.

Who would throw out a Hello Kitty shirt knowing that was what Sandra had on - and Is a Missing child " All over the News" in that area. Seems strange. I know that Hello Kitty is Common but come on .. its not that common. Lets not see another Winnie the Pooh blanket theory as they did with Caylee... Oh every kid on the planet has a Winnie the Pooh blanket.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::




Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 02, 2009, 07:50:21 PM
http://www.kcra.com/news/19080687/detail.html

TRACY, Calif. -- Volunteers going through trash Thursday found a Hello Kitty T-shirt, Tracy police said. But Sandra Cantu's mother said the shirt isn't her daughter's.

Meanwhile, the reward for information on the 8-year-old's whereabouts increased to $22,125.

Cantu was last seen six days ago inside Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, just off West Clover Road. She is 4 feet tall, 45 pounds and has brown hair and brown eyes. Cantu was wearing a pink Hello Kitty T-shirt and black leggings.

Thursday's search focused on Old River and trash at a transfer station on MacArthur Drive. Lt. Jeremy Watney said a California Highway Patrol helicopter would help in the search on Friday by surveying open areas north of Tracy.
Police have received 632 tips in the case, Watney said.

"We're still searching for anything. We hope to find her alive," Watney said.
After Thursday afternoon's media update, police showed home videos of Sandra Cantu celebrating Christmas.
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The girl's father, Daniel Cantu, was interviewed in Tracy by police Thursday. He said he took a polygraph test. Cantu, who lives in Mexico, was also interviewed Wednesday by police.
Police have searched four mobile homes in the park, another address in Tracy and property in Oakdale. Four cars have also been impounded
Two people named in earlier search warrants are not considered "persons of interest" or suspects, Watney said during a news conference on Thursday morning.

He also said no search warrants were expected to be executed on Thursday.

The spokesman defended police efforts to notify the public about the girl's disappearance. He said a helicopter and search dogs were called in on the day she was reported missing. He also said police faxed out a press release about the case shortly before 3 a.m. Saturday.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: RiverWalk on April 02, 2009, 07:52:15 PM
JVM - Hello Kitty pink shirt found in the trash dump, but Sandra's mother said it wasn't Sandra's?????????????????
Going over the kissing dude and what a creep his is
Chris Sinclair's record
Wow that is something that a Hello Kitty shirt was found. Is it for sure that she was wearing a Hello Kitty shirt? I mean was that what she wore to school that day? Or did she change clothing when she got home from school ? It must be on the video I would guess unless they can only see walking from the camera and not into it.
She has been missing for awhile and they said on the News on CNN today that LE has been going through all the garbage at the Transfer station - for all intense purposes.

Who would throw out a Hello Kitty shirt knowing that was what Sandra had on - and Is a Missing child " All over the News" in that area. Seems strange. I know that Hello Kitty is Common but come on .. its not that common. Lets not see another Winnie the Pooh blanket theory as they did with Caylee... Oh every kid on the planet has a Winnie the Pooh blanket.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::




Here's the flyer
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tedsblog/3404091197/in/pool-bloggingbaby

PINK Hello Kitty t-shirt.  The guy (LE) on the phone did say that took it into evidence anyway.  Just seemed odd to me that the mom said it wasn't Sandra's.  Size wasn't right, age of shirt was wrong, etc.  ?????  More questions as usual.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 02, 2009, 07:54:10 PM
JVM - Hello Kitty pink shirt found in the trash dump, but Sandra's mother said it wasn't Sandra's?????????????????
Going over the kissing dude and what a creep his is
Chris Sinclair's record
I want to thank everyone for the links. It stopped me in my tracks with the Hello Kitty pink shirt in the trash dump, and her mother said it wasn't Sandra's shirt, I suppose someother person could have thrown their Hello Kitty pink shirt away, but what are the chances of that? ::MonkeyConfused:: LE going to the home of Sinclair's cousin and now another search of a home in that county. An earlier article stated LE took ladders, shovels and metal detectors to Sinclair's cousin's home. My gut is telling me this is a child porno ring, I just can't lose this feeling.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 02, 2009, 08:01:46 PM
JVM - Hello Kitty pink shirt found in the trash dump, but Sandra's mother said it wasn't Sandra's?????????????????
Going over the kissing dude and what a creep his is
Chris Sinclair's record
Wow that is something that a Hello Kitty shirt was found. Is it for sure that she was wearing a Hello Kitty shirt? I mean was that what she wore to school that day? Or did she change clothing when she got home from school ? It must be on the video I would guess unless they can only see walking from the camera and not into it.
She has been missing for awhile and they said on the News on CNN today that LE has been going through all the garbage at the Transfer station - for all intense purposes.

Who would throw out a Hello Kitty shirt knowing that was what Sandra had on - and Is a Missing child " All over the News" in that area. Seems strange. I know that Hello Kitty is Common but come on .. its not that common. Lets not see another Winnie the Pooh blanket theory as they did with Caylee... Oh every kid on the planet has a Winnie the Pooh blanket.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::




Here's the flyer
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tedsblog/3404091197/in/pool-bloggingbaby

PINK Hello Kitty t-shirt.  The guy (LE) on the phone did say that took it into evidence anyway.  Just seemed odd to me that the mom said it wasn't Sandra's.  Size wasn't right, age of shirt was wrong, etc.  ?????  More questions as usual.

River did you notice on that flyer on the Link -you have above.
It says Sandra last seen Wearing a Pink " Hello Kitty" shirt and a striped dress

Where did the Striped Dress come from?? I thought she had on Black leggins ?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 02, 2009, 08:06:50 PM
JVM - Hello Kitty pink shirt found in the trash dump, but Sandra's mother said it wasn't Sandra's?????????????????
Going over the kissing dude and what a creep his is
Chris Sinclair's record
I want to thank everyone for the links. It stopped me in my tracks with the Hello Kitty pink shirt in the trash dump, and her mother said it wasn't Sandra's shirt, I suppose someother person could have thrown their Hello Kitty pink shirt away, but what are the chances of that? ::MonkeyConfused:: LE going to the home of Sinclair's cousin and now another search of a home in that county. An earlier article stated LE took ladders, shovels and metal detectors to Sinclair's cousin's home. My gut is telling me this is a child porno ring, I just can't lose this feeling.
You know I just watched this very long and Uck but informative Movie on Cable last week .. It was called " Human Trafficking". with Donald Sutherland.
 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0461872/
It just amazed me how Children can be swept away in an instant .. by POS's that steal children for what your biggest fear is ..in your gut.
They do not even have to stalk them, nor groom them ..like on the internet. They just scoop them up off the street. Or they are sold by a family member. God lord .. I don't get it No Rose ....... Lets pray she is not a victim of Trafficking ...sigh.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 02, 2009, 08:13:05 PM
Deenie I pray she is not, Edward put some very informative posts a page or two back, and I had no idea this was happening to the extent it is. I also thought she was only wearing leggings and a pink Hello Kitty shirt, not a stripped dress.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 02, 2009, 08:40:19 PM
Kidnapping for Ransom is very common in Mexico... Makes me wonder.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 02, 2009, 09:02:45 PM
JVM - Hello Kitty pink shirt found in the trash dump, but Sandra's mother said it wasn't Sandra's?????????????????
Going over the kissing dude and what a creep his is
Chris Sinclair's record
Wow that is something that a Hello Kitty shirt was found. Is it for sure that she was wearing a Hello Kitty shirt? I mean was that what she wore to school that day? Or did she change clothing when she got home from school ? It must be on the video I would guess unless they can only see walking from the camera and not into it.
She has been missing for awhile and they said on the News on CNN today that LE has been going through all the garbage at the Transfer station - for all intense purposes.

Who would throw out a Hello Kitty shirt knowing that was what Sandra had on - and Is a Missing child " All over the News" in that area. Seems strange. I know that Hello Kitty is Common but come on .. its not that common. Lets not see another Winnie the Pooh blanket theory as they did with Caylee... Oh every kid on the planet has a Winnie the Pooh blanket.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::




Here's the flyer
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tedsblog/3404091197/in/pool-bloggingbaby

PINK Hello Kitty t-shirt.  The guy (LE) on the phone did say that took it into evidence anyway.  Just seemed odd to me that the mom said it wasn't Sandra's.  Size wasn't right, age of shirt was wrong, etc.  ?????  More questions as usual.

River did you notice on that flyer on the Link -you have above.
It says Sandra last seen Wearing a Pink " Hello Kitty" shirt and a striped dress

Where did the Striped Dress come from?? I thought she had on Black leggins ?


Deenie - funny you mention the striped dress...there was only ONE article I read that said she had on a striped dress...i took it as bad reporting....i dunno!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 02, 2009, 09:30:56 PM
what a darling little child she is...
pray that she is found soon..this is making me sick...I feel that she is out there though, still alive...gut feeling...
the ransom in Mexico thing is interesting but wouldn't they have asked for ransom by now? how far is her home from Mexico where the dad lives? why did he have to go back home this soon to check on his job etc..? surely his boss knows that he has a child missing and couldn't he have called his job? not saying that he had anything to do with this, just strikes me as odd that he would be going back already and then come back again...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 02, 2009, 09:34:18 PM
I don't understand the " misquote" of the Striped Dress and Black Leggings.

I know that little girls like to wear overlapping clothing .. put shirts on over shirts..and wear tshirt dresses with leggings underneath.

But to misconstrue what she was wearing the last time she was seen... makes no sense.
Then you go back to the " Pink" shirt that Haleigh was to be wearing when she was reported missing ..to find out she was not wearing it ...... I can't believe that people cannot remember what a small child was wearing. Teenager, pre-teens that can be tricky, because they change clothes and exchange clothes at school with friends ..all the time.
Seems strange that this Striped Dress is not brought out into the news. Is it error or not?



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 02, 2009, 09:46:18 PM
Deenie..remember though that she was seen on the video going back into the house, was going to go to the movies with sisters, but didn't have enough money so she left again? the mom did not see her when she came into the house for those few minutes...perhaps she changed then? they said that they had the video of her coming and going...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 02, 2009, 09:46:42 PM
The ransom demand may not come for a long time.. In Mexico the police are corrupt and not trusted and the demand can be made to other family members, who relay the info to mom and dad.. If it is drug connected group in Mexico ..They are vicious and everyone is in fear of them. Nobody will say a word in fear for her safety.

I have documented all of this in a thread called "How Rich Mexicans are Thinking" at BFN
I study south of the border politics and related info from Mexico to Argentina and have logged almost every event in the last 4 years in 2 different threads as we study and look for answers in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway..
I am very opinionated because of this research... Free for you to read
Mexico has one of the highest kidnap for ransom statistics in the world next to Colombia and Venezuela.
 In Mexico it is not uncommon to receive body parts as proof of them holding a loved one.

Our homeland security is very concerned that this will cross our borders and that family members here will be taken and held for ransom. It has been posted in recent news reports.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 02, 2009, 09:51:25 PM
Edward...thats for the education today...it has certainly be eye popping stuff!  scary ...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 02, 2009, 09:53:59 PM
The ransom demand may not come for a long time.. In Mexico the police are corrupt and not trusted and the demand can be made to other family members, who relay the info to mom and dad.. If it is drug connected group in Mexico ..They are vicious and everyone is in fear of them. Nobody will say a word in fear for her safety.

I have documented all of this in a thread called "How Rich Mexicans are Thinking" at BFN
I study south of the border politics and related info from Mexico to Argentina and have logged almost every event in the last 4 years in 2 different threads as we study and look for answers in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway..
I am very opinionated because of this research... Free for you to read
Mexico has one of the highest kidnap for ransom statistics in the world next to Colombia and Venezuela.
 In Mexico it is not uncommon to receive body parts as proof of them holding a loved one.

Our homeland security is very concerned that this will cross our borders and that family members here will be taken and held for ransom. It has been posted in recent news reports.

That is what I saw on this Movie called Human Trafficking - It was a hollywood movie yes but they mixed in what is REAL and what is going on today. They showed Children going through the border to Mexico ..hidden in Trucks .. Not only that but " these are People that do this because they have insiders on the Border " that allow them to pass through.
Then they showed how the transport the kids into the Desert and make them Walk for miles and then put them in " houses" and them Farm them out .. yet again. The trail of finding these children is .. almost impossible. And then you have the " inside corruption" that allows this to go on. Everyone gets their kick back of $$.

Sick




Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 02, 2009, 09:58:51 PM
Deenie..remember though that she was seen on the video going back into the house, was going to go to the movies with sisters, but didn't have enough money so she left again? the mom did not see her when she came into the house for those few minutes...perhaps she changed then? they said that they had the video of her coming and going...

Cookie the Mom strikes me weird. I am not saying she is involved - but she seems to be a little " lacking" .. that she has maybe a mental condition, a disorder ..something ? I can't see her being a provider and working full time and running a household. The Gal who stands with her and speaks for her appears to be very intelligent and maybe a Nurse? Or someone in that type of field. Just my impression and opinion.

And that is why they all live together in one house " extended family".  I don't know .. 
Mom strikes me as though she has some issues. Not sure.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 02, 2009, 10:22:21 PM
Edward...thats for the education today...it has certainly be eye popping stuff!  scary ...
It certainly has, I again didn't realize the severity of all of this. You hear some of this on cable news, but hardly anything, I really don't think most people are aware of this situation.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 02, 2009, 10:58:57 PM
Blink
I see your in the Cage - what is this with the Striped Dress ?
And the Hello Kitty shirt found at the Transfer Station ?
do you have any leads or thoughts ???

K


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 02, 2009, 11:01:41 PM
NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/02/search-for-sandra-cantu-focuses-on-old-river/

Search for Sandra Cantu Focuses on Old River


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 02, 2009, 11:12:39 PM
NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/02/search-for-sandra-cantu-focuses-on-old-river/

Search for Sandra Cantu Focuses on Old River


KLAAS ...Link is Broken .... Nothing there ...

Fixed it, thanks  


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cecilita on April 02, 2009, 11:44:18 PM
The ransom demand may not come for a long time.. In Mexico the police are corrupt and not trusted and the demand can be made to other family members, who relay the info to mom and dad.. If it is drug connected group in Mexico ..They are vicious and everyone is in fear of them. Nobody will say a word in fear for her safety.

I have documented all of this in a thread called "How Rich Mexicans are Thinking" at BFN
I study south of the border politics and related info from Mexico to Argentina and have logged almost every event in the last 4 years in 2 different threads as we study and look for answers in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway..
I am very opinionated because of this research... Free for you to read
Mexico has one of the highest kidnap for ransom statistics in the world next to Colombia and Venezuela.
 In Mexico it is not uncommon to receive body parts as proof of them holding a loved one.

Our homeland security is very concerned that this will cross our borders and that family members here will be taken and held for ransom. It has been posted in recent news reports.
Mexicans kidnap rich people. I do not think that Sandra's family were rich.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 03, 2009, 12:28:43 AM
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17700/2268/

Police scrutinize viewers of child porn   
Written by Jennifer Wadsworth     
Thursday, 02 April 2009 
 

Computer-savvy cops in Tracy have identified about 60 people who view or exchange child pornography, and police say they get extra attention as investigators search for the missing Sandra Cantu, 8.


Tracy police say they have their eye on people in Tracy they have found exchanging child pornography over the Internet. The state says 78 registered sex offenders call Tracy home.

But Tracy police have their eye on as many as 60 people in the city who they have found to exchange child pornography over the Internet, police said.

How many of one group are counted among the other is unclear. But investigators said their histories landed the two sets under the microscope in light of an 8-year-old Tracy girl’s disappearance last week.

Though police have yet to name any suspects in the case of Jacobson Elementary School second-grader Sandra Cantu’s disappearance, Tracy police spokesman Lt. Jeremy Watney said today that peoples’ criminal backgrounds are, of course, seriously considered and in some cases merit extra scrutiny.

In the case of a documented sex offender, that normally means they’re subjected to several more interviews and searches than would the average person, police said today.

One of the first things detectives said they did after the family reported 8-year-old Sandra missing Friday night was to question all the city’s sex offenders registered under Megan’s Law. Investigators went back this week to re-interview several of the registrants. Cops said it’s routine.

Police on Wednesday searched several homes on blocks where some of Tracy’s convicted rapists and child molesters live, including a few near the mobile home park where Sandra went missing nearly a week ago now.

In all, investigators searched 18 properties on Wednesday and several more during a probation sweep the day before.

Police searched a home early that evening on the 1100 block of West Larch Road, a neighborhood separated from the missing girl’s home by an empty field and Interstate 205. At least two registered sex offenders live on that block, including a convicted rapist and a child molester.

An hour later, cops searched Green Oaks Mobile Home Park — a neighborhood in eastern Tracy off of North MacArthur Drive. Two registered sex offenders live in Green Oaks — both of them convicted of molesting children younger than 14.

The day before, police conducted a probation sweep, which included homes along West Larch Road, across the street from the Larch Clover Community Center, where Sandra used to play with neighborhood kids, residents said.

Folks who live in the neighborhoods subject to the searches said they didn’t mind the double-checking. One sex offender, who lives off of West Larch Road very close to where Sandra lives, said he understands the need to keep a close eye on known molesters like himself. Especially, he said, considering the frustrating circumstances of searching days on end for a missing girl, without strong enough leads to find her.

Police also this week searched two places in Oakdale — a house in the middle of town and a mobile home in a neighborhood where a known sex offender lives.

Relatives of others subject to some of this week’s searches said they’re happy to cooperate with authorities if only to prove their family’s innocence.

“We all want to help, so when the police come knocking, we let them right in,” said Bonita Perez, whose nephew’s downtown Tracy home was searched on Tuesday. “We have our problems, our histories, and we have our differences, but we’re talking about a little girl who’s just gone. She’s away from her family and we’ve got to get her back.”
Police said that for all the interviews, searches and 600-plus tips, they still have no clear idea of where to find the missing girl.

Volunteers and a few crime scene technicians found a pink Hello Kitty T-shirt — similar to the one Sandra wore the last time her family saw her — in a dump outside of town today. Sandra’s mom Maria Chavez said it wasn’t her daughter’s shirt, but police said they’ll still run some tests on it to make sure.

San Joaquin County Sheriff’s deputies searched Old River north of town this morning and ended their search three hours earlier than expected for some reason police declined to share.

Donations from as far as the East Coast and huge sums of money from locals have helped bump up the reward for information leading to Sandra’s whereabouts to $22,165, including a $5,000 donation of campaign cash from Leroy Ornellas, a dairy farmer and Tracy’s representative on the San Joaquin County Board of Supervisors.

• The public is encouraged to share tips with the Tracy Crime Stoppers at 831-6847.

• Contact Tracy Press reporter Jennifer Wadsworth at 830-4225 or jwadsworth@tracypress.com.This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it

 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 03, 2009, 12:31:20 AM
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17699/2268/

A Song for Sandra     
Written by TP staff     
Thursday, 02 April 2009 
 

Florida singer-songwriter Eli Grimes taped this song about a missing child.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

When a Florida singer-songwriter heard about Sandra Cantu, the missing 8-year-old from Tracy, he wanted to share a song he wrote for another girl, who has been missing since Feb. 10 in Florida.

Eli Grimes' "A Little Girl Is Missing" was inspired, he said, by 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings, but he said it is also a song he sings for Sandra.

"I hope the song helps keep the fires burning a little brighter until Sandra comes home," the 56-year-old said. "I can't say this is going to solve anything, but maybe it will give her family hope."

He said he hopes radio stations will play the song he recorded in St. Augustine, Fla.

"Ever since I was just a wee kid, I would make up my own songs to sing," he said. "I have always wanted to do something in my life that would make a positive impact in this world."

Grimes has cut a CD with 14 songs on it.

For a copy of his song, "A Little Girl Is Missing," e-mail him at eligrimes@comcast.net

http://www.youtube.com/v/BHCDBfLUxrs&hl=en&fs=1


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 03, 2009, 02:11:55 AM
Helicopter search tomorrow starting at 9 a.m.

Klaas is REALLY badmouthing this investigation. 

A video was released of her opening Christmas presents.  I don't know if it is up on KRON's site yet.

Other than that, there was really nothing new on the news.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 03, 2009, 09:25:16 AM
Klaas is badmouthing the investigation?

Thanks for the updates all. Praying for Sandra


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 03, 2009, 09:30:27 AM
Klaas is badmouthing the investigation?

Thanks for the updates all. Praying for Sandra
Thanks everyone for the updates, and Blink for your latest article on Sandra.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 03, 2009, 09:35:06 AM
Klaas is badmouthing the investigation?

Thanks for the updates all. Praying for Sandra


Mark Klaas.  Sorry about that!  I thought earlier in the week he was praising their efforts.  He definitely is not now.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 03, 2009, 09:38:21 AM
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17700/2268/

Police scrutinize viewers of child porn  
Written by Jennifer Wadsworth    
Thursday, 02 April 2009 
 

Computer-savvy cops in Tracy have identified about 60 people who view or exchange child pornography, and police say they get extra attention as investigators search for the missing Sandra Cantu, 8.


Tracy police say they have their eye on people in Tracy they have found exchanging child pornography over the Internet. The state says 78 registered sex offenders call Tracy home.

But Tracy police have their eye on as many as 60 people in the city who they have found to exchange child pornography over the Internet, police said.

How many of one group are counted among the other is unclear. But investigators said their histories landed the two sets under the microscope in light of an 8-year-old Tracy girl’s disappearance last week.

--------------------snip---------------------------

• Contact Tracy Press reporter Jennifer Wadsworth at 830-4225 or jwadsworth@tracypress.com.This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it

 



Isn't this in and of itself a crime?  I thought possession of child pornography was and that the FBI would be all over this.

Is that not the case?  I have seen many people sentenced to jail for a very long time for possession of child porn as well they should be but this sounds as though it is not a crime by itself.

Don't understand this part.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 03, 2009, 10:12:54 AM
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17700/2268/

Police scrutinize viewers of child porn  
Written by Jennifer Wadsworth    
Thursday, 02 April 2009 
 

Computer-savvy cops in Tracy have identified about 60 people who view or exchange child pornography, and police say they get extra attention as investigators search for the missing Sandra Cantu, 8.


Tracy police say they have their eye on people in Tracy they have found exchanging child pornography over the Internet. The state says 78 registered sex offenders call Tracy home.

But Tracy police have their eye on as many as 60 people in the city who they have found to exchange child pornography over the Internet, police said.

How many of one group are counted among the other is unclear. But investigators said their histories landed the two sets under the microscope in light of an 8-year-old Tracy girl’s disappearance last week.

--------------------snip---------------------------

• Contact Tracy Press reporter Jennifer Wadsworth at 830-4225 or jwadsworth@tracypress.com.This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it

 



Isn't this in and of itself a crime?  I thought possession of child pornography was and that the FBI would be all over this.

Is that not the case?  I have seen many people sentenced to jail for a very long time for possession of child porn as well they should be but this sounds as though it is not a crime by itself.

Don't understand this part.


It is, I guess another email to Arnold is in order, when I calm down. Not that it would matter anyway.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 03, 2009, 10:28:04 AM
Klaas is badmouthing the investigation?

Thanks for the updates all. Praying for Sandra


Mark Klaas.  Sorry about that!  I thought earlier in the week he was praising their efforts.  He definitely is not now.

lol, that's ok, I probably should have figured that. But our Klaas is not all that thrilled with it either, nor am I. Imo they blundered out of the gate when they stated they expected to find her alive and well. If this turns out to be similar to the Lunsford case Im gonna lose it on that guy, who, btw, is no longer speaking for the Tracy PD..

I do not like to bash LE, in this case, well, I hope they get some answers quickly.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: flossy on April 03, 2009, 10:33:48 AM
I would hope that possession of child porn would AT THE VERY LEAST be an arrestable offense for a sex offender.  It's ridiculous if it isn't grounds for an arrest for ANYONE in possession of it.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 03, 2009, 10:34:00 AM
why oh why are any of these sex offenders out of jail? that is part of the problem...they should never, ever be out after a firs offense in my opinion..

Deenie....that program that you watched sounds like it was informative but difficult to watch?
I don't know about the mom...I did wonder why mom did not see her child when she came back in..was she in her bedroom vs the common area of the home? It appeared if I read it right that the grand father had seen her cause they were going to go to church and to the movies....?
I don't understand why Sandra came back home when she had not been to her friends home for that long that day...and she said that she had to do homework, came in her home briefly and then left again...where was she going? why didn't she tell someone in her home where she was going?
hope that she is safe and found soon..


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 03, 2009, 10:57:48 AM
Blink,, Are you out there?  What's this about Sandra's dad, that he was a drug dealer, and spent time in Pelican Bay Prison, and Wohler the man who kissed Sandra also spent time at the same prison. Have you heard this?  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 03, 2009, 11:02:31 AM
Blink,, Are you out there?  What's this about Sandra's dad, that he was a drug dealer, and spent time in Pelican Bay Prison, and Wohler the man who kissed Sandra also spent time at the same prison. Have you heard this?  ::MonkeyEek::

whoa! rosie where did you see this at?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 03, 2009, 11:18:43 AM
Blink,, Are you out there?  What's this about Sandra's dad, that he was a drug dealer, and spent time in Pelican Bay Prison, and Wohler the man who kissed Sandra also spent time at the same prison. Have you heard this?  ::MonkeyEek::

whoa! rosie where did you see this at?
On another forum, and when I get back from a walk I'm going to look around for more info  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 03, 2009, 11:26:15 AM
Blink,, Are you out there?  What's this about Sandra's dad, that he was a drug dealer, and spent time in Pelican Bay Prison, and Wohler the man who kissed Sandra also spent time at the same prison. Have you heard this?  ::MonkeyEek::

whoa! rosie where did you see this at?
On another forum, and when I get back from a walk I'm going to look around for more info  ::MonkeyEek::

ok...that is interesting stuff....
be back later myself...have some errands to run..
I swear I have to force myself to get off of this forum! I am afraid that I will miss something!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 03, 2009, 12:08:45 PM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.fox40.com/pages/search_for_sandra

scroll down to the video player box on the left... scroll past the two pressers and the leonard padilla interview... click play on the video that has a picture of Wohler...

The man that lives across from Sandra stated that he kept an eye out for her since "the incident" (kissing incident) and said there was another incident...he was hesitent to tell reporters exactly what it was but at the end of the interview he said that Wohler would drive past Sandra's and look at her house!!!!! The guy then said....he has no reason to be driving there... he lives on another street!


he says that he shared this incident with police

here is a quote from the video


Quote:
"there's another incident that he didn't say on tv and he knows that he did it and continually did it" (neighbor) 

__________________


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 03, 2009, 12:35:30 PM
Quote:
Judy Thomas and her husband Arnold Thomas watched the search from across the street. Agents looked through a boat that sat in the driveway of the Oakdale home, brought out canines to sniff out the property and used ladders to help search unreachable areas.
There was also a hole dug a few inches into the ground in the backyard, sitting next to a number of shovels and metal detectors.
Both the FBI and the Tracy Police are not releasing any information about this search for fear of hindering the investigation.
http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_s...95&feedID=2674 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 03, 2009, 12:37:16 PM
Dad is a Mexican national and a drug dealer ?.. Time at Pelican bay in crescent city? and this other kiss on the lips character living in the trailer park has also been to Pelican bay?
It could be a message to cooperate... A threat ! or else ! That is a problem.
Once you are in a gang.. A Mexican drug gang or even a prison gang.. It is for life.
LE understands that ... ALL prison guards know this... 
Now the trip to Mexico may have just become more clear.. ::MonkeyEek::
jmho



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 03, 2009, 12:43:23 PM
The CHP helicopters are in the air. They just reported that they started at the airport and are moving in a grid system, looking for anything suspicious.

One report said they were searching over waterways.  This report made it sound like they were going over land.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 03, 2009, 12:44:47 PM
Dad is a Mexican national and a drug dealer ?.. Time at Pelican bay in crescent city? and this other kiss on the lips character living in the trailer park has also been to Pelican bay?
It could be a message to cooperate... A threat ! or else ! That is a problem.
Once you are in a gang.. A Mexican drug gang or even a prison gang.. It is for life.
LE understands that ... ALL prison guards know this... 
Now the trip to Mexico may have just become more clear.. ::MonkeyEek::
jmho


Very frightening, I'm wondering if there is some connection between Sandra's dad, and Sinclair and Sinclair's cousins in Oakdale. And the connection to Wohler  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 03, 2009, 12:46:59 PM
The CHP helicopters are in the air. They just reported that they started at the airport and are moving in a grid system, looking for anything suspicious.

One report said they were searching over waterways.  This report made it sound like they were going over land.
Thank-you, have you heard if Wohler, the neighbor who kissed Sandra, spent time at Pelican Bay Prison? I saw this on another forum, but don't know how to verify this, my computer skills are limited  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 03, 2009, 12:48:04 PM
I haven't heard anything about any of the prison stuff.  Just what I have seen here.  I plan on being home for the morning presser.  I'll report back!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 03, 2009, 12:54:05 PM
I haven't heard anything about any of the prison stuff.  Just what I have seen here.  I plan on being home for the morning presser.  I'll report back!
Thanks  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 03, 2009, 01:00:47 PM
From the presser yesterday    -one reporter asked about "pelican bay" and Wohler...there was no comment.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: flossy on April 03, 2009, 01:08:33 PM
From the presser yesterday    -one reporter asked about "pelican bay" and Wohler...there was no comment.

ACK!    ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 03, 2009, 01:12:57 PM
Thanks, Spring2,

Will check back later for results of the morning presser.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 03, 2009, 01:57:00 PM
From the presser yesterday    -one reporter asked about "pelican bay" and Wohler...there was no comment.


Sometimes I can't hear the questions from the audience.  This morning they had a microphone.

He said the helicopter is  north of 205 now and over the open land there.  CHP  used the helicopter last weekend they said.  It has infrared, a good camera and they have binoculars and such.

I can't really remember anything new on this presser.  I missed the first 5 minutes tho.   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 03, 2009, 01:59:10 PM
From the presser yesterday    -one reporter asked about "pelican bay" and Wohler...there was no comment.


Sometimes I can't hear the questions from the audience.  This morning they had a microphone.

He said the helicopter is  north of 205 now and over the open land there.  CHP  used the helicopter last weekend they said.  It has infrared, a good camera and they have binoculars and such.

I can't really remember anything new on this presser.  I missed the first 5 minutes tho.   ::MonkeyWaa::
Thank-you for listening. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 03, 2009, 02:41:22 PM
I got a call last night from when I left my name on Monday.

They gave me a different meeting place than the CERT meeting place.  Not sure if it is more run around or if it is through someone different. 

I specifically asked if it was for a search or for handing out fliers, because I would bring my kids to hand out fliers.

She said it was definitely searching.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 03, 2009, 03:15:39 PM
I got a call last night from when I left my name on Monday.

They gave me a different meeting place than the CERT meeting place.  Not sure if it is more run around or if it is through someone different. 

I specifically asked if it was for a search or for handing out fliers, because I would bring my kids to hand out fliers.

She said it was definitely searching.
Please keep us updated. I really feel they have a good idea and a lot of valuable tips.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 03, 2009, 04:31:36 PM
I didn't miss as much as I thought I did. 

Today's presser:

http://snipurl.com/f64yd


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 03, 2009, 04:36:52 PM
thanks Spring...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: NCSunny on April 03, 2009, 06:27:04 PM
Hello Monkeys....HLN now reporting a search going on in a mh there in the park & a man was lead out in handcuffs ! A 44 y/o man!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 03, 2009, 06:27:32 PM
HLN is reporting that a mobile home raid is underway coming from local KRON   FBI evidence team and tow truck on scene

One man led away in handcuffs, its not wohler or the other person of interest


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 03, 2009, 06:28:33 PM
Wow, thanks for that news  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 03, 2009, 06:29:03 PM
HLN said a 44 year old man was taking away after 7 cop cars showing up and spending around 15 minutes INSIDE the trailer with him.

He is NOT one of the two previous POI's.

They will carry the press conference live shortly.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 03, 2009, 06:30:59 PM
News on Father of Sandra
http://www.kcra.com/news/19081653/detail.html
Sandra Cantu's Father Has Criminal History
Father Of Missing Tracy Girl Served Time In State Prison


TRACY, Calif. -- The father of missing 8-year-old Sandra Cantu has a criminal past, including methamphetamine problems and time served in Pelican Bay State Prison.

The Tracy girl disappeared March 27; she was last seen inside Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, just off West Clover Road.

A search of court records in San Joaquin County Superior Court showed five criminal cases involving Daniel Cantu dating between 2001 and 2005.

Charges included possession of a controlled substance; resisting, obstructing, delaying a peace officer; possession of a controlled substance for sale; and possession of a hypodermic needle or syringe.

Records also show the court assigned Cantu to drug court at one point, but he was dropped from the program.

According to the Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, Cantu was sentenced to two years in prison for possession of a controlled substance for sale. He served 13 months between September 2005 and October 2006.

KCRA 3 tried to talk to Cantu on Wednesday about his criminal history, but he became upset and declined to answer questions.

Cantu, who lives in Mexico, was interviewed Thursday by police in Tracy. He said he took a polygraph test. Cantu was also interviewed Wednesday by police.

Nicole Stevenson, a friend, said Daniel Cantu has been clean and sober for more than three years and that he volunteered to take a polygraph test when the investigation began.
----------------------------------------

Lets be Real here, this Pelican Bay Prison is not a Day Camp for Meth users -
----------http://www.cdcr.ca.gov/Visitors/Facilities/PBSP.html
Pelican Bay State Prison - Mission Statement

Pelican Bay State Prison (PBSP) is designed to house California’s most serious criminal offenders in a secure, safe, and disciplined institutional setting.  One half of the prison houses maximum security inmates in a general population setting.  The other half houses inmates in the Security Housing Unit (SHU) designed for inmates presenting serious management concerns.  The SHU is a modern design for inmates who are difficult management cases, prison gang members, and violent maximum security inmates.

In Addition, PBSP operates two unique programs: The Psychiatric Services Unit (PSU) which is a 127 bed unit designed and staffed to treat mentally disordered offenders who are serving SHU terms, as well as the Transitional Housing Unit (THU) which is a 40 bed unit designed to reintegrate prison gang members back into the general population.  PBSP also operates a 400 bed, Level I Minimum Support Facility which houses non-violent offenders outside of the secure perimeter of the main institution, and a Fire House with 8 full time inmate fire fighters.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 03, 2009, 06:32:18 PM
http://www.kron.com/News/WatchKRON4NewsLiveOnline/tabid/354/Default.aspx

Here is KRON's live stream.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Maven on April 03, 2009, 06:35:27 PM
http://www.kron.com/News/WatchKRON4NewsLiveOnline/tabid/354/Default.aspx

Here is KRON's live stream.

Thanks! I pray Sandra is OK!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 03, 2009, 06:36:30 PM
The man wasn't arrested. They just took him down to headquarters to talk. He came voluntary.

Didn't name his name.

800 leads. They are still checking cars in and out.


He wasn't handcuffed.

Checking cars in and out of the area on Clover. Trying to get fresh tips and leads.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 03, 2009, 06:36:32 PM
Live press conference airing on HLN makes correction person was not handcuffed, brought in for more questioning


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 03, 2009, 06:38:55 PM
Search warrant was just on the one home. No details.

They visited with the family and touched based. They wanted to reassure them and answer and questions.


Next presser in the morning at 10:00 am.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 03, 2009, 06:39:17 PM
Live press conference airing on HLN makes correction person was not handcuffed, brought in for more questioning

From the same park though, not the one on MacDonald?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 03, 2009, 06:40:00 PM
Thanks everyone for the updates, since when does it take that many LE to talk and take a man down to headquarters  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 03, 2009, 06:40:02 PM
Close to 200 officers and five or six agencies at any given time working on this case. Depending on the time of day.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 03, 2009, 06:41:28 PM
Live press conference airing on HLN makes correction person was not handcuffed, brought in for more questioning

From the same park though, not the one on MacDonald?
It appears from the same park as Sandra.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 03, 2009, 06:41:48 PM
Live press conference airing on HLN makes correction person was not handcuffed, brought in for more questioning

From the same park though, not the one on MacDonald?

From the same park. They were not cuffed. He came in voluntary once the search warrant was served on the mobile home.

I think I heard lot number 41 Blink. ?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 03, 2009, 06:42:08 PM
Close to 200 officers and five or six agencies at any given time working on this case. Depending on the time of day.


I just believe this is something much bigger  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 03, 2009, 06:44:27 PM
Live press conference airing on HLN makes correction person was not handcuffed, brought in for more questioning

From the same park though, not the one on MacDonald?
It appears from the same park as Sandra.

Thanks No Rose & all.
I know for a fact this is a tip from a resident inside the park.
He has not been booked as far as I know.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 03, 2009, 06:46:18 PM
TRACY (KRON) -- The FBI and Tracy Police are raiding a mobile home at the park where eight-year old Sandra Cantu disappeared a week ago.  KRON 4's Dan Kerman saw ten law enforcement cars pull up to the trailer. An FBI evidence team is also on the scene along with a tow truck.

The raid comes hours after police said Sandra Cantu has a mole on her face.  Investigators hope that added detail along with video released Thursday showing the missing child at a Christmas party will help someone provide the clue that leads to her safe return.

Hundreds of volunteers are expected to join the search for Sandra who disappeared nearly a week ago from her home at a Tracy mobile home park.  Authorities are asking people who want to help in the search to gather at a fire station at 7700 Linne Road on Saturday.  That's where organizers will assign them to specific tasks in the search for the missing girl.

Investigators say they continue to talk with Sandra's father who reportedly passed a lie detector test.  He insists he did not take the child from his estranged wife.

A CHP helicopter is up combing through some of the open spaces near Interstate 205, just about a mile from where the girl was last seen.  Investigators confirm they served another search warrant Thursday in the case but won't say who it targets or where.

The total number of tips from the public is now more than 700.  Investigators say they are tracking every report of a possible sighting of the little girl.  Detectives are also going back through their notes and the evidence gathered during the search to see if they missed anything.

Stay tuned to KRON 4 and KRON4.com for continuing coverage all weekend of the search for Sandra Cantu.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 03, 2009, 06:52:32 PM

Hundreds of volunteers are expected to join the search for Sandra who disappeared nearly a week ago from her home at a Tracy mobile home park.  Authorities are asking people who want to help in the search to gather at a fire station at 7700 Linne Road on Saturday.  That's where organizers will assign them to specific tasks in the search for the missing girl.


I meant to bold this.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 03, 2009, 06:54:47 PM
April 3, 2009

TRACY - A new description of Sandra Cantu, the missing 8-year-old from Tracy, was released today at a press conference held by the Tracy Police Department.

Officials now report that Sandra has a birthmark on her right cheek, visible in some of the photos released by authorities earlier this week.

Friday marks the seventh day Sandra Cantu has been missing.  Authorities are investigating over 700 leads that have poured in to the Tracy police department. 

A community-led search is being organized Saturday morning at the Tracy firehouse on 7700 Linne Road.

Fox News.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 03, 2009, 07:01:48 PM
Live press conference airing on HLN makes correction person was not handcuffed, brought in for more questioning

From the same park though, not the one on MacDonald?

From the same park. They were not cuffed. He came in voluntary once the search warrant was served on the mobile home.

I think I heard lot number 41 Blink. ?

Hang on, lot 39 is vacant and for sale IIRC.

It's the same guy. He came down earlier voluntarily. He was taken away in handcuffs from the scene later.
Translation: They checked out something he said and it was ca ca.

I was in the middle of writing on this and we are now in the eye of the storm.. AAH


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 03, 2009, 07:03:17 PM
Live press conference airing on HLN makes correction person was not handcuffed, brought in for more questioning

From the same park though, not the one on MacDonald?
It appears from the same park as Sandra.

Thanks No Rose & all.
I know for a fact this is a tip from a resident inside the park.
He has not been booked as far as I know.
Are you getting the feeling this is some child porn ring, I'm putting everything together in my head, and that's all I am coming up with.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 03, 2009, 07:04:13 PM
Again everyone thanks for the updates.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 03, 2009, 07:07:55 PM
Wendy (I forget her last name) the expert on JVM show on CNN thinks they put the mole out there because it's so distinctive. She thinks Sandra being missing might have something to do with child porn from what I am taking from it.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 03, 2009, 07:09:23 PM
Live press conference airing on HLN makes correction person was not handcuffed, brought in for more questioning

From the same park though, not the one on MacDonald?

From the same park. They were not cuffed. He came in voluntary once the search warrant was served on the mobile home.

I think I heard lot number 41 Blink. ?

Hang on, lot 39 is vacant and for sale IIRC.

It's the same guy. He came down earlier voluntarily. He was taken away in handcuffs from the scene later.
Translation: They checked out something he said and it was ca ca.

I was in the middle of writing on this and we are now in the eye of the storm.. AAH


Blink the guy at the press conference was asked specifically if they guy was handcuffed. He said no.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 03, 2009, 07:11:00 PM
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17706/2268/

Another home searched; man talks to police   
Written by Jennifer Wadsworth     
Friday, 03 April 2009 
 

A 44-year-old mobile home resident agreed to go with police while they searched his home today.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/thumb_tp_0404slayterphoto.jpg)

Debra and David Slayter attended a candlelight vigil earlier this week at the mobile home park.

Police this afternoon drove off with David Slayter, 44, after searching his home at space No. 43 in the mobile home park where an 8-year-old Tracy girl went missing exactly a week ago.

FBI agents and Tracy detectives pulled items from Slayter's home in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park and packed them into a white crime-scene truck. A caravan of at least seven trucks and detectives’ cars pulled into the neighborhood shortly before 2 p.m. today.

Slayter voluntarily got in a police about 15 minutes after investigators arrived, said Tracy police spokesman Lt. Jeremy Watney, but police declined to disclose where they went to talk.

Slayter was identified through a newspaper photograph that shows him and his wife, Debra, in front of their home, and another photo of the couple at a candlelight vigil.

Slayter’s name also comes up in an Internet search with an inactive Web site called www.moneymansvault.com, which indicates he lives at 812 W. Clover Road, No. 43, in Tracy.

But police have yet to identify Slayter or say why he was taken away or what role — if any — he might have had in the disappearance of Sandra. He has not been arrested or detained, Watney emphasized at a 3:30 press conference.

The Tracy man lives with his wife, Debra Slayter, and a son. A missing-persons poster with a picture of second-grader Sandra Cantu was pasted on the Slayters’ front window. Sandra was last seen near her family’s home in the neighborhood around 4 p.m. on March 27.

Slayter was quoted in the Stockton Record expressing concern for the missing girl.

“I told her (Sandra), you’ve go to be careful with some adults,” he told a Record reporter Monday.

• Contact Tracy Press reporter Jennifer Wadsworth at 830-4225 or jwadsworth@tracypress.com.This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it

 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 03, 2009, 07:14:00 PM
Live press conference airing on HLN makes correction person was not handcuffed, brought in for more questioning

From the same park though, not the one on MacDonald?
It appears from the same park as Sandra.

Thanks No Rose & all.
I know for a fact this is a tip from a resident inside the park.
He has not been booked as far as I know.
Are you getting the feeling this is some child porn ring, I'm putting everything together in my head, and that's all I am coming up with.

Possibly in the background yes, but more because the higher the concentration of SO's, when a case like this happens, they rat each other out to try to stay out of prison, AND, when they seize their computers etc, they drag the net behind them like a trawler. Not being glib at all, its true and really sick.

I am sorry to say that I think they found something significant. I am willing to bet that the sheriff going to the families house at the same time the guys was at HQ initially was to make sure to be there if it got back to the family they were there. Press and anyone not a resident is not allowed in there now for that very reason.

I was discussing this case with Red today and he said living there with a child is the equivalent of handing them gasoline and matches to play with everyday. I could not agree more.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 03, 2009, 07:15:40 PM
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17706/2268/

Another home searched; man talks to police   
Written by Jennifer Wadsworth     
Friday, 03 April 2009 
 

A 44-year-old mobile home resident agreed to go with police while they searched his home today.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/thumb_tp_0404slayterphoto.jpg)

Debra and David Slayter attended a candlelight vigil earlier this week at the mobile home park.

Police this afternoon drove off with David Slayter, 44, after searching his home at space No. 43 in the mobile home park where an 8-year-old Tracy girl went missing exactly a week ago.

FBI agents and Tracy detectives pulled items from Slayter's home in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park and packed them into a white crime-scene truck. A caravan of at least seven trucks and detectives’ cars pulled into the neighborhood shortly before 2 p.m. today.

Slayter voluntarily got in a police about 15 minutes after investigators arrived, said Tracy police spokesman Lt. Jeremy Watney, but police declined to disclose where they went to talk.

Slayter was identified through a newspaper photograph that shows him and his wife, Debra, in front of their home, and another photo of the couple at a candlelight vigil.

Slayter’s name also comes up in an Internet search with an inactive Web site called www.moneymansvault.com, which indicates he lives at 812 W. Clover Road, No. 43, in Tracy.

But police have yet to identify Slayter or say why he was taken away or what role — if any — he might have had in the disappearance of Sandra. He has not been arrested or detained, Watney emphasized at a 3:30 press conference.

The Tracy man lives with his wife, Debra Slayter, and a son. A missing-persons poster with a picture of second-grader Sandra Cantu was pasted on the Slayters’ front window. Sandra was last seen near her family’s home in the neighborhood around 4 p.m. on March 27.

Slayter was quoted in the Stockton Record expressing concern for the missing girl.

“I told her (Sandra), you’ve go to be careful with some adults,” he told a Record reporter Monday.

• Contact Tracy Press reporter Jennifer Wadsworth at 830-4225 or jwadsworth@tracypress.com.This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it

 


Im gonna hurl


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 03, 2009, 07:16:29 PM
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090330/A_NEWS/903300323

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"I told her, you've got to be careful with some adults. You've got to be careful," said neighbor David Slayter, 44.

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Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 03, 2009, 07:18:55 PM
Live press conference airing on HLN makes correction person was not handcuffed, brought in for more questioning

From the same park though, not the one on MacDonald?

From the same park. They were not cuffed. He came in voluntary once the search warrant was served on the mobile home.

I think I heard lot number 41 Blink. ?

Hang on, lot 39 is vacant and for sale IIRC.

It's the same guy. He came down earlier voluntarily. He was taken away in handcuffs from the scene later.
Translation: They checked out something he said and it was ca ca.

I was in the middle of writing on this and we are now in the eye of the storm.. AAH


Blink the guy at the press conference was asked specifically if they guy was handcuffed. He said no.

I could certainly be wrong, but I thought he was referring to the first visit to HQ, not when they went to his house.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 03, 2009, 07:21:00 PM
 ::MonkeyEek::
Is there something Funky in the Water in the City of Tracy ? * California ....
2 Teachers in less than 3 Months Arrested for Child Porn - One being the Softball Coach - says He belonged alleged " To a Child Porn Ring" 
http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=56519&catid=2
2wks ago
TRACY, CA - A man substituting as a teacher in Tracy is now under arrest for allegedly molesting eight of his female students in two days.
Tracy police arrested Jesse Llorente III, 39, on Thursday. He's charged with eight counts of felony lewd conduct with a child and one count of possessing child pornography. Llorente is in custody at San Joaquin County Jail and being held on $750,000 bail. In late February while Llorente was a substitute teacher at George Kelly Elementary, he allegedly victimized eight girls in the course of just two days, according to Tracy police.
"Some of the girls in class were uncomfortable in the way he was touching them. He was stroking their hair, touching their ears and rubbing their shoulders," said Sgt. Tony Sheneman of the Tracy Police Department. He said when their regular teacher returned to class, the students told the teacher what happened.
It's unclear if Llorente is suspected of other sexual misconduct with the students that would rise to the level of felony crimes. The touching Sheneman described would generally be charged as a misdemeanor. He would only say the charges filed in the arrest were reviewed by the San Joaquin County District Attorney's office.
The classes where Llorente was substitute teaching were fifth and sixth grade, he said. Sheneman said there's increased concern because in the past, Llorente also taught at schools in San Jose and Los Angeles. Tracy police have notified those school districts about the current allegations, Sheneman said.
There were no prior complaints of Llorente's actions, including during January when he was subbing at George Kelly Elementary, according to Sheneman. Llorente is not a registered sex offender. It's unknown what type of teaching credential, if any, Llorente has.When a search warrant was served at his parents' house where Llorente lives on Ramona Way in Tracy, police apparently found child pornography on his computer. Sheneman said detectives found "more than 20 images" of child pornography.
Parents have high praise for the way the school and district handled the incident. "The school did one heck of a job notifying me and the police department by letting me know," said a parent named Mike, who wanted only his first name used. His remark was followed by applause at a meeting late Thursday afternoon between administrators and parents at the school. George Kelly Principal Khushwinder Gill said she released Llorente from his classroom the moment she heard students concerns and taught the class the rest of the day. "I told the kids, I said, to me, it doesn't matter if you walk out of the middle of the class. If you ever feel uncomfortable, you come and talk to me, talk to the teacher right away."
More updates will be posted on news10.net as details become available.

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=54988&provider=top
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2 mos ago
TRACY, CA - The Tracy Police Department arrested a softball coach on charges of possessing child pornography.
James Spencer Hagelston, 41, was arrested at his Tom Fowler Court home Tuesday. Sergeant Tony Sheneman said detectives confiscated a computer from the home that contained pornographic movies that featured girls under the age of ten engaged in sex acts with adult men. Sheneman said the arrest is due in large part to sophisticated technology that allows police to flag and track pornography.
"There is a group of dedicated investigators that have put together something called a tool kit that tracks specific images and videos on the internet," said Sgt. Sheneman. "We can run a check on those images and if they're being downloaded onto an IP address in Tracy we can find out where they're being downloaded."
Sheneman said investigators are concerned that children in the community may have been inappropriately approached by Hagelston.
"Mr. Hagelston's wife has a daycare that is operated out of her home," said Sgt. Sheneman. "He was also last year the coach of a 10 and under girls' softball team and is also a consultant with a company that does work with the school districts."
Theresa James lives next door to Hagelston. "I'm in shock," she said of his arrest. "It makes me so sad for his wife. She was a day care lady and we wanted our kids in the daycare." James said the Hagelston's have three children of their own and seemed like a "normal family." Detectives are still investigating the case. Anyone with any information is asked to call Detective Nate Cogburn with the Tracy Police Department at (209) 831-6617.

http://www.bcpusa.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=302&Itemid=79&lang=
Part of the Church Service - Spoken Words during Service " Baptist Church Planters"
Tracy California
 A coach from our girls softball league was just arrested as part of a
child porn ring. This man had passed all background checks and was a well respected coach. People are very fearful for their children's safety right

now!! Pray that we can be instruments of peace.
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Docstoc http://www.docstoc.com/docs/708890/SEX-OFFENDER-FROM-TRACY-CALIFORNIA-PLEADS-GUILTY-TO-PRODUCING-CHILD-PORNOGRAPHY

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 03, 2009, 07:22:14 PM
Wendy (I forget her last name) the expert on JVM show on CNN thinks they put the mole out there because it's so distinctive. She thinks Sandra being missing might have something to do with child porn from what I am taking from it.

Pink that is Wendy Murphy, she is a avid fighter against pedophiles & protecting children


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 03, 2009, 07:24:48 PM
Wendy (I forget her last name) the expert on JVM show on CNN thinks they put the mole out there because it's so distinctive. She thinks Sandra being missing might have something to do with child porn from what I am taking from it.

Pink that is Wendy Murphy, she is a avid fighter against pedophiles & protecting children

Thanks. I knew her name and know of her. I see her all the time. I just had a pink moment.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 03, 2009, 07:28:46 PM
Wendy (I forget her last name) the expert on JVM show on CNN thinks they put the mole out there because it's so distinctive. She thinks Sandra being missing might have something to do with child porn from what I am taking from it.

Pink that is Wendy Murphy, she is a avid fighter against pedophiles & protecting children

Thanks. I knew her name and know of her. I see her all the time. I just had a pink moment.

We all have those "moments"  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 03, 2009, 07:37:07 PM
Wendy (I forget her last name) the expert on JVM show on CNN thinks they put the mole out there because it's so distinctive. She thinks Sandra being missing might have something to do with child porn from what I am taking from it.

Pink that is Wendy Murphy, she is a avid fighter against pedophiles & protecting children
So do I.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 03, 2009, 07:38:17 PM
Is there something funky in the water in Tracy, yes most definitely  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 03, 2009, 07:40:05 PM
Do you remember last year there was a Teen Boy who escaped from his " house" - found himself inside a local " Gym" and tried to hide. Begged for help. He was wearing chains and was starved and beaten. He had been shackled to the bathtub in the house. And mentally, physically, emotionally tortured by the people he stayed with.

His Guardians lived in Tracy, CA. That's where he was when he was being tortured. Mother figure not his bio Mom who took part in his torture - "Girl Scout Leader" ... in the Community. I pray their are both in Jail.

http://www.foxnews.com/video-search/m/21613635/completely_shocked.htm#col=en-vid-pod_foxnews-ep&q=tracy

I do not think I would want to be a Kid in Tracy ... this is not a huge population .. for all this crime against children. Somethings not right. Makes you wonder if its a Hub of some sort for freaks.
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 03, 2009, 07:40:22 PM
Live press conference airing on HLN makes correction person was not handcuffed, brought in for more questioning

From the same park though, not the one on MacDonald?
It appears from the same park as Sandra.

Thanks No Rose & all.
I know for a fact this is a tip from a resident inside the park.
He has not been booked as far as I know.
Are you getting the feeling this is some child porn ring, I'm putting everything together in my head, and that's all I am coming up with.

Possibly in the background yes, but more because the higher the concentration of SO's, when a case like this happens, they rat each other out to try to stay out of prison, AND, when they seize their computers etc, they drag the net behind them like a trawler. Not being glib at all, its true and really sick.

I am sorry to say that I think they found something significant. I am willing to bet that the sheriff going to the families house at the same time the guys was at HQ initially was to make sure to be there if it got back to the family they were there. Press and anyone not a resident is not allowed in there now for that very reason.

I was discussing this case with Red today and he said living there with a child is the equivalent of handing them gasoline and matches to play with everyday. I could not agree more.
It sounds to me this is going to end very soon, and tragically. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 03, 2009, 07:42:26 PM
Do you remember last year there was a Teen Boy who escaped from his " house" - found himself inside a local " Gym" and tried to hide. Begged for help. He was wearing chains and was starved and beaten. He had been shackled to the bathtub in the house. And mentally, physically, emotionally tortured by the people he stayed with.

His Guardians lived in Tracy, CA. That's where he was when he was being tortured. Mother figure not his bio Mom who took part in his torture - "Girl Scout Leader" ... in the Community. I pray their are both in Jail.

http://www.foxnews.com/video-search/m/21613635/completely_shocked.htm#col=en-vid-pod_foxnews-ep&q=tracy

I do not think I would want to be a Kid in Tracy ... this is not a huge population .. for all this crime against children. Somethings not right. Makes you wonder if its a Hub of some sort for freaks.
 ::MonkeyNoNo::
I sure do remember that, I didn't recall the city though  ::MonkeyEek:: You would have to wonder, it sure seems like a Hub of some sort for freaks.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 03, 2009, 07:50:15 PM
Do you remember last year there was a Teen Boy who escaped from his " house" - found himself inside a local " Gym" and tried to hide. Begged for help. He was wearing chains and was starved and beaten. He had been shackled to the bathtub in the house. And mentally, physically, emotionally tortured by the people he stayed with.

His Guardians lived in Tracy, CA. That's where he was when he was being tortured. Mother figure not his bio Mom who took part in his torture - "Girl Scout Leader" ... in the Community. I pray their are both in Jail.

http://www.foxnews.com/video-search/m/21613635/completely_shocked.htm#col=en-vid-pod_foxnews-ep&q=tracy

I do not think I would want to be a Kid in Tracy ... this is not a huge population .. for all this crime against children. Somethings not right. Makes you wonder if its a Hub of some sort for freaks.
 ::MonkeyNoNo::
I sure do remember that, I didn't recall the city though  ::MonkeyEek:: You would have to wonder, it sure seems like a Hub of some sort for freaks.
WHO are these " monsters"? seems as though the Devil lives in Tracy, Ca....
bizarre behaviors " all these " freaks have positions that are working directly with children ....and Yet appear to be " upstanding citizens" on the outside ..

Public says Oh WE are SHOCKED........... teachers, girl scout leaders, crime, torture, porn against children.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: I don't know No Rose .. I am speechless. I know this is real life and all and .. I am not naive. But this is a small community and these people ... are to be the Mentors in these kids lives... speechless I am.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 03, 2009, 08:03:42 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/DavidSlater.jpg)

http://www.peekyou.com/David_Slayter/page=2/


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 03, 2009, 08:11:58 PM
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17599/2242/

Police Blotter of the Weekend " Sandra Cantu" was reported Missing

snipped - Reported on the Saturday Sandra Went Missing
3:54 p.m.: Police arrested a man on suspicion of public drunkenness after a complaint that he was trying to grab babies and other children away from their parents at the 11th Street Laundromat, 824 W. 11th St.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 03, 2009, 08:15:01 PM
60 people with child porn is a lot for a community that size.  I am beginning to suspect some sort of pedeophile club or organization.  This is illegal to even own!



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 03, 2009, 08:18:13 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/DavidSlater.jpg)

http://www.peekyou.com/David_Slayter/page=2/

That is interesting Klaas ..the other thing interesting about this Peek You site " Looks" like Peeks into peoples privacy without you knowing it.
http://ericfleck.blogspot.com/2008/01/peekyou-more-like-f-k-you.html
snipped Apparently, this website, "peekyou.com", goes around gathering
all the info you may have at one point put up on the internet,
and some other random info as well... the logic makes no sense.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 03, 2009, 08:22:33 PM
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17599/2242/

Police Blotter of the Weekend " Sandra Cantu" was reported Missing

snipped - Reported on the Saturday Sandra Went Missing
3:54 p.m.: Police arrested a man on suspicion of public drunkenness after a complaint that he was trying to grab babies and other children away from their parents at the 11th Street Laundromat, 824 W. 11th St.

OMG, this is just something, I'm not naive either, well maybe a little, but I don't get this at all. This is frightening. ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 03, 2009, 08:23:14 PM
60 people with child porn is a lot for a community that size.  I am beginning to suspect some sort of pedeophile club or organization.  This is illegal to even own!


That's what I've been thinking for a couple of days now  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 03, 2009, 08:24:25 PM
http://people.icq.com/people/full_details_show.php?uin=282382537&th_type=105
David Slayter
ICQ profile " Moneyman"

I wonder what this Money thing is - as said on the News article by LE.
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17706/2328/
Slayter’s name also comes up in an Internet search with an inactive Web site called www.moneymansvault.com, which indicates he lives at 812 W. Clover Road, No. 43, in Tracy.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 03, 2009, 08:25:59 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/DavidSlater.jpg)

http://www.peekyou.com/David_Slayter/page=2/
I don't understand what this is  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 03, 2009, 08:31:28 PM
EWE Gawd
I just chased his website that is now - out of commission
Look at this ... I can't copy and paste it.
Look at the right side of the Screen - Midway -

"Website Domains Avail - for Auction" which to me says that at one time these were actual running Sites ... http://whois.domaintools.com/moneymansvault.com

Wonder what he was selling ?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 03, 2009, 08:32:35 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/DavidSlater.jpg)

http://www.peekyou.com/David_Slayter/page=2/
I don't understand what this is  ::MonkeyConfused::
I think its like a address book type site. That you can look up people.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 03, 2009, 08:36:36 PM
http://profile.myspace.com/103385573

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/MoneyMan01.jpg)


Still looking for more


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 03, 2009, 08:47:48 PM
Just said on NG that a flat bed truck had been brought into the trailer park by LE but the reporter did not know why.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 03, 2009, 08:49:13 PM
http://profile.myspace.com/103385573

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/MoneyMan01.jpg)


Still looking for more

Great job as always Klaas. The date 8/21/06 is significant to this guy. Everything I can find online for him is dated for that day. His birthday is 8/15?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 03, 2009, 08:49:29 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/DavidSlater.jpg)

http://www.peekyou.com/David_Slayter/page=2/
I don't understand what this is  ::MonkeyConfused::
I think its like a address book type site. That you can look up people.

No Rose, I don't know what it is either and can't even use Facebook or MySpace well at all either.  I never really understood the purpose of those kind of sites but maybe something will turn up.

 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 03, 2009, 08:50:03 PM
Just said on NG that a flat bed truck had been brought into the trailer park by LE but the reporter did not know why.



Evidence Bay for FBI Forensics


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 03, 2009, 09:02:24 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/DavidSlater.jpg)

http://www.peekyou.com/David_Slayter/page=2/
I don't understand what this is  ::MonkeyConfused::
I think its like a address book type site. That you can look up people.

No Rose, I don't know what it is either and can't even use Facebook or MySpace well at all either.  I never really understood the purpose of those kind of sites but maybe something will turn up.

 ::MonkeyConfused::
I'm glad I'm not alone, I know nothing about Facebook or MySpace either, I would not have the need for that, my life is to boring.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 03, 2009, 09:16:17 PM
Just said on NG that a flat bed truck had been brought into the trailer park by LE but the reporter did not know why.



Evidence Bay for FBI Forensics
For this Slayter's car, I'm guessing.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 03, 2009, 09:20:56 PM
Slayter's Cars Towed

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090403/A_NEWS/90403011

TRACY - FBI agents raided another home and towed two cars in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park today in their search for missing 8-year-old Sandra Cantu, who disappeared from the trailer park last Friday.

Authorities also questioned David Slayter, 44, whose home agents searched today. They also towed two cars registered under his name.

Police would not identify Slayter, but he was seen escorted from the trailer park in an unmarked police car. Lt. Jeremy Watney said the man in the car is not a suspect and that he volunteered to talk to police. The man was escorted because he did not have transportation, Watney said.

Watney would not say if Slayter is the man named in the search warrant served today. It is the third search warrant served homes in the trailer park since Monday.

Police would not comment on the nature of the search, what they were looking for or what they found.

Read Saturday's Record for more on this story by staff writer


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: RiverWalk on April 03, 2009, 09:21:53 PM
Isn't the last name spelled SLAYTER??????  I'm missing something here.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Northern Rose on April 03, 2009, 09:41:08 PM
Registration Service Provided By: Hasbrouck Enterprises
Contact:
Visit: http://host4profit.net
       
Domain name: moneymansvault.com

Registrant Contact:
   
   David Slayter ()
   
   Fax:
   812 W. Clover rd. sp#43
   Tracy, CA 95376
   US

Administrative Contact:
   
   David Slayter (daviddls2@juno.com)
   +1.2098308541
   Fax:
   812 W. Clover rd. sp#43
   Tracy, CA 95376
   US

Technical Contact:
   
   David Slayter (daviddls2@juno.com)
   +1.2098308541
   Fax:
   812 W. Clover rd. sp#43
   Tracy, CA 95376
   US

Status: Locked

Name Servers:
   ns.my-ehost.com
   ns2.my-ehost.com
   
Creation date: 21 Aug 2006 01:13:19
Expiration date: 21 Aug 2009 01:13:19


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 03, 2009, 09:49:25 PM
Phone number (209) 830-8541 from " MoneyMan" closed website

http://www.zabasearch.com/reverse_search/results.php?getphone=2098308541

DEBRA & FRANK BARRINGER in ZabaSearch   More Info About DEBRA BARRINGER  Both born: 1960
(209) 830-8541   More Info About This Telephone Number
812 CLOVER RD  Map It
TRACY, CA 95376
County: SAN JOAQUIN


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Northern Rose on April 03, 2009, 09:51:15 PM
email marketing forum:


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Northern Rose on April 03, 2009, 09:52:56 PM
Phone number (209) 830-8541 from " MoneyMan" closed website

http://www.zabasearch.com/reverse_search/results.php?getphone=2098308541

DEBRA & FRANK BARRINGER in ZabaSearch   More Info About DEBRA BARRINGER  Both born: 1960
(209) 830-8541   More Info About This Telephone Number
812 CLOVER RD  Map It
TRACY, CA 95376
County: SAN JOAQUIN

This makes me wonder if his wife was married before.  Snipped from here:

http://tracypress.com/content/view/17706/2268/

The Tracy man lives with his wife, Debra Slayter, and a son. A missing-persons poster with a picture of second-grader Sandra Cantu was pasted on the Slayters’ front window. Sandra was last seen near her family’s home in the neighborhood around 4 p.m. on March 27.




Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: RiverWalk on April 03, 2009, 09:53:20 PM
1.   SLAYTER, DAVID  LEROY
Age: 44

Associated names:
SLAYTER, DANNY L

TRACY, CA
MANTECA, CA
STOCKTON, CA

   
SLAYTER, LEROY
SLAYTER, MARLON (Age 44)
SLAYTER, DANIELLERO (Age 23)
SLAYTER, DEBRA  LYN


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: RiverWalk on April 03, 2009, 10:08:12 PM
BARRINGER, DEBBIE  L
Age: 49

Associated names:
HUFF, DEBRA
HUFF, DEBBIE L

TRACY, CA
MANTECA, CA
STOCKTON, CA
SAN MATEO, CA
SOUTH SAN FRANCISCO, CA
FOSTER CITY, CA

   
HUFF, JAMES  HARVEY (Age 50)
BARRINGER, FRANK  GREGORY (Age 47)
BARRINGER, CHARLES  GREG (Age 45)
OLLIFF, SHAWNEE  L (Age 55)
PORTER, BARTON  MELISSA (Age 42)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: RiverWalk on April 03, 2009, 10:10:59 PM
http://profile.myspace.com/103385573

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/MoneyMan01.jpg)


Still looking for more

Great job as always Klaas. The date 8/21/06 is significant to this guy. Everything I can find online for him is dated for that day. His birthday is 8/15?

I have b'day as 8/25/64????????


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 03, 2009, 10:14:57 PM
BARRINGER, DEBBIE  L
Age: 49

Associated names:
HUFF, DEBRA
HUFF, DEBBIE L

TRACY, CA
MANTECA, CA
STOCKTON, CA
SAN MATEO, CA
SOUTH SAN FRANCISCO, CA
FOSTER CITY, CA

   
HUFF, JAMES  HARVEY (Age 50)
BARRINGER, FRANK  GREGORY (Age 47)
BARRINGER, CHARLES  GREG (Age 45)
OLLIFF, SHAWNEE  L (Age 55)
PORTER, BARTON  MELISSA (Age 42)
Maybe Debra has been married a few times or uses Alias names - You never know

http://www.netsleuth.com/dl/search.cgi?TransactionId=18308684R322756

Name       Age       City, State       Available Information       Possible Relatives
1.
   
MS DEBRA BARINGER
MS DEBBIE L BARRINGER
MS DEBORAH L BARRINGER
MS DEBRA BARRINGER
MS DEBRA L BARRINGER
MS DEBBIE L BARRNIGER
MS DEBBIE HUFF
MS DEBBIE L HUFF
MS DEBORAH L HUFF
MS DEBRA HUFF
MS DEBRA L HUFF
MS DEBORAH SLAYTER
MS DEBRA L SLAYTER
MS DEBRA LYN SLAYTER
   49
48
   TRACY, CA
FOSTER CITY, CA
MANTECA, CA
STOCKTON, CA
SAN MATEO, CA
APO NEW YORK, NY
SAN MATEO, CA
SAN FRANCISCO, CA
SOUTH SAN FRANCISCO, CA
   

   FRANK G BARINGER
CHARLES G BARRINGER
FRANK G BARRINGER
TRUST W BARRINGER
WILLIAM ORAN BARRINGER


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 03, 2009, 10:16:06 PM
what I heard earlier on HLN...the police officer who was speaking was really down playing this whole thing ...now I am confused if it is or not a big deal....what do you all think? downplaying on purpose?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: RiverWalk on April 03, 2009, 10:16:08 PM
Frank and Debra Barringer live in #43

David and Debra Slayter live in #61

both at 812 West Clover Road
Tracy CA 95376


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 03, 2009, 10:19:30 PM
what I heard earlier on HLN...the police officer who was speaking was really down playing this whole thing ...now I am confused if it is or not a big deal....what do you all think? downplaying on purpose?
I am thinking they are downplaying on purpose, I really do.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: MuffyBee on April 03, 2009, 10:20:27 PM
what I heard earlier on HLN...the police officer who was speaking was really down playing this whole thing ...now I am confused if it is or not a big deal....what do you all think? downplaying on purpose?

cookie~  I don't know, but that's a good question.  I wonder if the police have suspicions but not evidence to prove anything yet.  Or maybe the police are trying to play it down because there may be someone else involved or perhaps she's believed to be alive and held and don't want to jeopardize her.  I don't know.  But it's getting even more scary to me.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: RiverWalk on April 03, 2009, 10:23:17 PM
what I heard earlier on HLN...the police officer who was speaking was really down playing this whole thing ...now I am confused if it is or not a big deal....what do you all think? downplaying on purpose?

Heck if I know, but I'm trying to track the RIGHT folks down.  I'm still more concerned with the Sinclair folks, but what do I know?

I did go to 2 GIANT truck stops here in San Antonio (I-10 and I-35) and gave them flyers for Sandra Cantu, Allyson Corrales, + many more all on one sheet of paper (front and back).  Truckers are always happy to help.  All it cost me was some paper and printer ink.  Find a local truck stop or distribution center for food/goods and put the flyers out.  They'll help.  PROMISE.  I had a really interesting day to say the least. lol.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 03, 2009, 10:26:08 PM
it's not looking good is it Muffy?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: MuffyBee on April 03, 2009, 10:29:54 PM
it's not looking good is it Muffy?

No, I don't think it looks good.  I continue to hope Sandra is alive and can be found though. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 03, 2009, 10:31:12 PM
Riverwalk...that is awesome that you passed out flyers! bless you!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: MuffyBee on April 03, 2009, 10:32:35 PM
Riverwalk...that is awesome that you passed out flyers! bless you!

ITA  Totally awesome. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 03, 2009, 10:34:20 PM
Riverwalk...that is awesome that you passed out flyers! bless you!
YOU go RiverWalk thats so  ::MonkeyDance:: that you did that !


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 03, 2009, 10:37:39 PM
http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/search_main.aspx?searchtype=county&lang=ENGLISH

I am on the SO search site - Link above
Just pulled up the Map of the County Joaquin ......... There is so many Blue Dots * SO's that you can barely see the Map ! - Its a Blue Blob there are so many " registered" SO's.

each dot is a address ...  ::MonkeyEek::

 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 03, 2009, 10:42:50 PM
what I heard earlier on HLN...the police officer who was speaking was really down playing this whole thing ...now I am confused if it is or not a big deal....what do you all think? downplaying on purpose?

Heck if I know, but I'm trying to track the RIGHT folks down.  I'm still more concerned with the Sinclair folks, but what do I know?

I did go to 2 GIANT truck stops here in San Antonio (I-10 and I-35) and gave them flyers for Sandra Cantu, Allyson Corrales, + many more all on one sheet of paper (front and back).  Truckers are always happy to help.  All it cost me was some paper and printer ink.  Find a local truck stop or distribution center for food/goods and put the flyers out.  They'll help.  PROMISE.  I had a really interesting day to say the least. lol.
That's great RiverWalk  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 03, 2009, 10:43:52 PM
http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/search_main.aspx?searchtype=county&lang=ENGLISH

I am on the SO search site - Link above
Just pulled up the Map of the County Joaquin ......... There is so many Blue Dots * SO's that you can barely see the Map ! - Its a Blue Blob there are so many " registered" SO's.

each dot is a address ...  ::MonkeyEek::

 
It is so hard to imagine and comprehend  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: RiverWalk on April 03, 2009, 10:44:35 PM
It's not a big deal.  I live so close to two big interstates.  Truckers always help.  I learned this from my BFF that now lives in Albuquerque, NM.  She takes flyers to the BIG Love's truck stops on I-20 and I-25 that come through her town.  EASY to do.  Cost is almost nothing. 

Works with intrastates too.  As Nike says ... Just Do It.  The good folks in this country WAY out number the creeps/pedo's/etc.  We can only WIN if we do something that is positive.  Leaving flyers is EASY.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 03, 2009, 10:47:31 PM
http://www.crimereports.com/map/index/?search=+Tracy+CA

I have never seen this site before.

www.crimereports.com

You can put in an address and it will show the Reported Crimes- by address, zip code etc.

I am kinda skeered to put my address in there ... Maybe I don't want to know ..





Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 03, 2009, 10:55:20 PM
http://www.crimereports.com/map/index/?search=+Tracy+CA

I have never seen this site before.

www.crimereports.com

You can put in an address and it will show the Reported Crimes- by address, zip code etc.

I am kinda skeered to put my address in there ... Maybe I don't want to know ..




Thanks, I am kinda scared also  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 03, 2009, 11:15:44 PM
There were no sexual offenders in my city.  Tracy must have them all!

I just wanted to mention that people all over are really taking notice of Sandra.  Two different cities today near me have her flier posted in their front windows. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 03, 2009, 11:21:28 PM
There were no sexual offenders in my city.  Tracy must have them all!

I just wanted to mention that people all over are really taking notice of Sandra.  Two different cities today near me have her flier posted in their front windows. 
That's good .. Because People travel and Her One Photo may just be that One ..that someone has a recall or anything at all ...anything. A photo is everything.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 03, 2009, 11:22:24 PM
I agree, Deenie!

Thank you again, Riverwalk.  That's awesome!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 03, 2009, 11:32:19 PM
 ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek::
Does any one Know for sure if this is the Sinclair's Dudes Panel Van site ??

http://www.christophersinclair.com/

It has been posted here before - and I just went back to look at it ...  ::MonkeyShocked::
I clicked on the X at the bottom of the page ... links to a WARNING GAY MALE PORN

Aaahhhh  - - O SNAP


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 03, 2009, 11:37:24 PM
his photo from the same site http://www.chris.us.com/
He looks 49 ..........
Chris Sinclair


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 03, 2009, 11:40:01 PM
There were no sexual offenders in my city.  Tracy must have them all!

I just wanted to mention that people all over are really taking notice of Sandra.  Two different cities today near me have her flier posted in their front windows. 
Great, it does seem that people are gathering together to help.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 03, 2009, 11:41:19 PM
::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek::
Does any one Know for sure if this is the Sinclair's Dudes Panel Van site ??

http://www.christophersinclair.com/

It has been posted here before - and I just went back to look at it ...  ::MonkeyShocked::
I clicked on the X at the bottom of the page ... links to a WARNING GAY MALE PORN

Aaahhhh  - - O SNAP
  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 03, 2009, 11:42:28 PM
his photo from the same site http://www.chris.us.com/
He looks 49 ..........
Chris Sinclair

Different guy.  This guy is in Australia and his website is registered in Australia.  Different guy.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 03, 2009, 11:44:31 PM
his photo from the same site http://www.chris.us.com/
He looks 49 ..........
Chris Sinclair

Different guy.  This guy is in Australia and his website is registered in Australia.  Different guy.
OH Good ....... I will Never click on an X again on a home made website ..... ::MonkeyShocked::

AHH my gawd ............ Thank You Klaas for Clarifying that is NOT the same guy
whew


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 04, 2009, 01:33:01 AM
KRON has some new videos up on their site.   I wasn't able to be around for the afternoon stuff, but it looks like KRON has it all on their website.

http://snipurl.com/f64yd


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 04, 2009, 02:11:57 AM
11 pm update:

The coast guard has a plane up right now going over Tracy.  I guess the infrared cameras are fantastic on it, and they are using it to find areas that need to be gone over tomorrow.  I guess it can pick up things in the water too. 

Linne Rd is where CERT will be organizing.

The fire admin building is where the Contra Costa Sheriff's  Office will be organizing.  I'll be at the admin building at 8 a.m.  Will report when I get home.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 04, 2009, 05:00:43 AM
They must be looking at these guys there who are into kiddy porn.
Thinking that one of these perverts acted out.
A search warrant would also list the reasons and what they could take. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 04, 2009, 08:37:08 AM
11 pm update:

The coast guard has a plane up right now going over Tracy.  I guess the infrared cameras are fantastic on it, and they are using it to find areas that need to be gone over tomorrow.  I guess it can pick up things in the water too. 

Linne Rd is where CERT will be organizing.

The fire admin building is where the Contra Costa Sheriff's  Office will be organizing.  I'll be at the admin building at 8 a.m.  Will report when I get home.

Spring, sometimes when it seems like I just cant look at another one of these cases they are so troubling, a great monkey like you and others on here remind me what a difference one can make when we band together. Be safe today, and know from the bottom of my heart those of us who are not local wish we were to asisst in the search efforts today with you. Please keep us informed and God Bless.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 04, 2009, 09:39:52 AM
11 pm update:

The coast guard has a plane up right now going over Tracy.  I guess the infrared cameras are fantastic on it, and they are using it to find areas that need to be gone over tomorrow.  I guess it can pick up things in the water too. 

Linne Rd is where CERT will be organizing.

The fire admin building is where the Contra Costa Sheriff's  Office will be organizing.  I'll be at the admin building at 8 a.m.  Will report when I get home.

Spring, sometimes when it seems like I just cant look at another one of these cases they are so troubling, a great monkey like you and others on here remind me what a difference one can make when we band together. Be safe today, and know from the bottom of my heart those of us who are not local wish we were to asisst in the search efforts today with you. Please keep us informed and God Bless.
The same goes for me also, take care Spring.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 04, 2009, 09:40:21 AM
They must be looking at these guys there who are into kiddy porn.
Thinking that one of these perverts acted out.
A search warrant would also list the reasons and what they could take. 

That's what I'm thinking also.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 04, 2009, 09:50:40 AM
They must be looking at these guys there who are into kiddy porn.
Thinking that one of these perverts acted out.
A search warrant would also list the reasons and what they could take. 

That's what I'm thinking also.

I cant figure out if the warrants have been sealed or the press has not asked for them..
I would like to see the hello kitty t they found in the garbage, what are the odds of a pink hello kitty t being found in the trash in the last week of a missing girl who was last seen wearing it? I know her Mom allegedly said it did not look like hers, but that is different than it is NOT hers, definately. It would not be uncommon for a grief stricken mother to not want to accept that was her childs. Not saying that is the case, but the shirt has been taken for testing.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 04, 2009, 09:52:57 AM
They must be looking at these guys there who are into kiddy porn.
Thinking that one of these perverts acted out.
A search warrant would also list the reasons and what they could take. 

That's what I'm thinking also.

I cant figure out if the warrants have been sealed or the press has not asked for them..
I would like to see the hello kitty t they found in the garbage, what are the odds of a pink hello kitty t being found in the trash in the last week of a missing girl who was last seen wearing it? I know her Mom allegedly said it did not look like hers, but that is different than it is NOT hers, definately. It would not be uncommon for a grief stricken mother to not want to accept that was her childs. Not saying that is the case, but the shirt has been taken for testing.


This is EXACTLY what I have been saying.  A pink Hello Kitty shirt?  How many of those get thrown away in the first few days of a missing child wearing one?  I also thought about the mom not wanting it to be her daughter's. 

Thanks for the well wishes.  I'll see you guys later!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 04, 2009, 09:55:40 AM
Blink,

In the pressers, Watney has been saying that he can't give info on the search warrants until the judge decides if he is going to seal them.  So I am not sure if it has been decided or not.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 04, 2009, 10:06:25 AM
Blink,

In the pressers, Watney has been saying that he can't give info on the search warrants until the judge decides if he is going to seal them.  So I am not sure if it has been decided or not.

Thanks Spring. That would indicate their is probably a pressing motion from the press to get them, and he is just weighin his decision, which is his right.
Something else I wanted to mention, I am particularly interested in where the Coast Gard team and Proff Search and Rescue Orgs will be searching today as opposed to untrained volunteer searchers. If the aerials they took yesterday yielded anything yesterday that is where they will be. If you have an opportunity to go with a k9 team today I would do that if you have never experienced it. It is FASCINATING. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 04, 2009, 10:12:22 AM
Thanks for the head's up, Blink. 

See you guys in a bit.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 04, 2009, 10:30:03 AM
Found this and I'm very disturbed by it.  Slayter and his wife Debra, Sandra would come by their home 3-4 times a week, to help with chores. Debra said, they, I'm assuming her husband and Sandra would play Yahtzee and go bowling together, with permission from Sandra's mom.  ::MonkeyEek:: I hope this link works.   http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090404/A_NEWS/904040337


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: NCSunny on April 04, 2009, 10:41:04 AM
Found this and I'm very disturbed by it.  Slayter and his wife Debra, Sandra would come by their home 3-4 times a week, to help with chores. Debra said, they, I'm assuming her husband and Sandra would play Yahtzee and go bowling together, with permission from Sandra's mom.  ::MonkeyEek:: I hope this link works.   http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090404/A_NEWS/904040337

 GM No Rose & all Monkeys.  TY for that link. Interesting. She seems to be a very active child that was always on the move, talking, helping, playing with whomever would give her attention.

I had one just like her in my neighbourhood. Her Mom had 3 kids of her own plus 2 nieces she cared for, so was always busy.

I don't know if Sandra's Mom worked or whatever, but is seems like she allowed her to a lot of freedom for an 8 y/o. Its not like she had a house full of kids to keep her busy, with this I could understand, but it seems she felt comfortable letting her roam.

My youngest is 16 & he thinks I am terrible (always asking who, what, when & where), he tells me I watch too many LE shows, I then explain thats WHY I am so protective about his comings & goings.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 04, 2009, 10:47:42 AM
There are kids in my neighborhood that roam around who are young, some of this has come to a stop thank goodness, many people calling the association about this. I'm disturbed by this last article, very much.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 04, 2009, 10:53:47 AM
Found this and I'm very disturbed by it.  Slayter and his wife Debra, Sandra would come by their home 3-4 times a week, to help with chores. Debra said, they, I'm assuming her husband and Sandra would play Yahtzee and go bowling together, with permission from Sandra's mom.  ::MonkeyEek:: I hope this link works.   http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090404/A_NEWS/904040337

I'll just post the whole thing.  Thanks for the link:

Another S.J. home searched in Tracy missing girl case
2 vehicles towed, but no suspects named in Tracy missing girl case


By Daniel Thigpen
April 04, 2009
Record Staff Writer


TRACY - A cavalcade of FBI agents and Tracy police searching for Sandra Cantu on Friday again descended on the mobile home park where the 8-year-old disappeared more than a week ago, questioning a 44-year-old man who has said Sandra was at his home multiple times a week.

Authorities searched the home of David Slayter, who lives in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park on West Clover Road. They also towed two vehicles registered in his name.

Police would not confirm Slayter was named in the search warrant, the third served since Monday in connection with Sandra's disappearance.

They also would not confirm Slayter was the man they interviewed Friday, although he was seen in the front seat of an unmarked police car as it left the trailer park at about 1:45 p.m.

Lt. Jeremy Watney said a man volunteered to talk to investigators Friday, and police escorted him because he did not have transportation.

Police have not named any suspects in the case of the missing girl.

While Slayter joins a list of names to surface in recent days, police downplay reports of the people they have questioned, maintaining they have interviewed and re-interviewed many people throughout the investigation.

Those people include Sandra's estranged father, Daniel Cantu, 37, who has spoken to police at least five times, including Friday, since his daughter vanished. He has told reporters he is innocent and was in Tracy on Friday helping hand out fliers, friends said.

During an operation Monday night, police served two search warrants and raided four mobile homes in Orchard Estates, another property in Tracy and a location in Oakdale.

Two male trailer park residents are named in the warrants, but police refuse to identify them or discuss any specifics of the searches.

But at least two men - Frank Wohler, 59, and Chris Sinclair, 49 - have said they were recently questioned and searched.

Sinclair was arrested and released Monday night for interfering with officers trying to serve a search warrant, police said.

Wohler has admitted to kissing Sandra on the lips two years ago in the trailer park pool, calling it impulsive affection.

In an interview with The Record on Sunday, Slayter and his wife, Debra, said Sandra would come by their house three or four times a week, helping with chores or just saying hello.

They'd play Yahtzee and go bowling together, with permission from Sandra's family, Debra Slayter said.

"She didn't have a lot of kid friends," David Slayter said. "She hung out with adults. ... I always told her, you've got to be careful with some adults. You've got to be careful."

As Friday's raid continued for hours, FBI agents and Tracy police set up a new vehicle checkpoint just east of the trailer park's entrance, questioning drivers as they passed. The checkpoint was lifted when a nightly vigil began just before 8 p.m.

Earlier in the day, a California Highway Patrol helicopter hovered over rural Delta locales north of town looking for any clues, its third aerial search.

A Coast Guard aerial crew using infrared technology to map out search areas was requested Friday night.

Starting at 8 a.m. today, hundreds of volunteers are expected to gather at Fire Station 95, at 7700 Linne Road, before they are dispatched throughout Tracy to aid in the search.

Record staff writer Christian Burkin contributed to this report.

Contact reporter Daniel Thigpen at (209) 546-8254 or dthigpen@recordnet.com.


HOW TO HELP
Tracy police, the FBI and the Carole Sund/Carrington Foundation are offering at least $22,125 in reward money for any information that leads to 8-year-old Sandra Cantu. A Sacramento bounty hunter says he is offering a $10,000 reward for Sandra's safe return.

Anyone with information about the girl's whereabouts is urged to call the Tracy Police Department at (209) 831-4550 or (209) 831-6847 or the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children at (800) 843-5678.

Sandra is 4 feet tall, weighs 45 pounds and has brown hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a pink Hello Kitty T-shirt and black leggings.

She has a small birthmark on her right cheek that is difficult to see in pictures.

Police today will release surveillance video footage that is expected to show Sandra leaving her home at about 4 p.m. Friday in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park in the 800 block of West Clover Road. She hasn't been seen since.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 04, 2009, 11:09:11 AM
Klaas do you know what it means that Slayter's site is on "locked" status?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 04, 2009, 11:45:05 AM
Klaas do you know what it means that Slayter's site is on "locked" status?

No I don't and I wondered as well.  I'll have to see if I can find out.

http://help.mosso.com/article.php?id=033


What does it mean when my domain name is "locked"?
A "locked" domain cannot be transferred to a new registrar. Your current registrar may offer "transfer lock" or a similar service as a security measure to prevent unauthorized transfer of your domain name. If this feature is activated, you will need to log on to your account with your current registrar and turn this feature off before you can transfer your domain name.

 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 04, 2009, 12:06:22 PM
Klaas do you know what it means that Slayter's site is on "locked" status?

No I don't and I wondered as well.  I'll have to see if I can find out.

http://help.mosso.com/article.php?id=033


What does it mean when my domain name is "locked"?
A "locked" domain cannot be transferred to a new registrar. Your current registrar may offer "transfer lock" or a similar service as a security measure to prevent unauthorized transfer of your domain name. If this feature is activated, you will need to log on to your account with your current registrar and turn this feature off before you can transfer your domain name.

 


thanks, but the sight is not up, correct?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 04, 2009, 12:46:16 PM
Klaas do you know what it means that Slayter's site is on "locked" status?

No I don't and I wondered as well.  I'll have to see if I can find out.

http://help.mosso.com/article.php?id=033


What does it mean when my domain name is "locked"?
A "locked" domain cannot be transferred to a new registrar. Your current registrar may offer "transfer lock" or a similar service as a security measure to prevent unauthorized transfer of your domain name. If this feature is activated, you will need to log on to your account with your current registrar and turn this feature off before you can transfer your domain name.

 


thanks, but the sight is not up, correct?

The site is not up and I cannot find anything in archive.org either.  It's as though he never did anything with the domain which makes me wonder if he purchased the domain name in hopes he could sell it to someone for big $$.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Keepthefaith on April 04, 2009, 12:52:23 PM
O/T..email coming in a few minutes Klaas..Thank You!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: BluesyGram on April 04, 2009, 12:54:53 PM
The media reported that trailer #43 is where they are focusing on and the names are Slater...but I thought it was posted last night that the Slater's lived at #61.

Do I have it bass ackwards?  Or did they move?

Aren't they going to release that surveilance video this AM?

I like the way they are getting search warrants for all these places, and maybe they can 'clean up' this area and get some of those SO's back in jail for something.  The other good thing is all of this publicity will bring awareness to all of the parents w/children so that maybe some others will be spared.  

Praying for her safe return today.

 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 04, 2009, 01:07:18 PM
The media reported that trailer #43 is where they are focusing on and the names are Slater...but I thought it was posted last night that the Slater's lived at #61.

Do I have it bass ackwards?  Or did they move?

Aren't they going to release that surveilance video this AM?

I like the way they are getting search warrants for all these places, and maybe they can 'clean up' this area and get some of those SO's back in jail for something.  The other good thing is all of this publicity will bring awareness to all of the parents w/children so that maybe some others will be spared.  

Praying for her safe return today.

 
Yes, at 10:30 I believe they will release the video. My notes show no 43 is where Slater lives, I will have to look maybe 61 is Sandra's number.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 04, 2009, 01:12:32 PM
TRACY, Calif. -- Another person was questioned Friday in the disappearance of 8-year-old Sandra Cantu, who has been missing for a week.

The Tracy girl was last seen March 27 at Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park. So far, police have gotten more than 800 tips and leads on the case, with a massive volunteer effort scheduled for this weekend.

The Coast Guard said it would be running thermal imaging from a C-130 aircraft to assist the FBI in a Friday night search, a representative from McClellan Air Force Base said.

Police said they would hold a media update at 10:30 a.m. Saturday and would release video that was shot outside a mobile home in the park.

A search warrant was executed Friday at the park for a home and a car, police spokesman Lt. Jeremy Watney said. The car was towed, he said.

The man who was questioned Friday came voluntarily to the police station, Watney said. He was driven to the station because he did not have transportation.

He was not detained.


 
 

Officials set up a roadblock to help monitor traffic going in and out of the park.

Investigators towed away a blue Mitsubishi sports car and a white Isuzu sport utility vehicle on Friday, and a witness saw being taken from a mobile home in the park. In addition, a member of the FBI Evidence Response Team Unit was seen putting on a white jumpsuit.

Earlier in the day, a man was seen being led away from unit No. 43 in the park.

On Friday evening, a witness saw a man who looked like the person who was taken in for questioning returning to the park. He walked out of a car and went up to unit No. 43. Someone at the door gave him a hug and he walked inside. The man fit the description of a person wearing a plaid Pendleton shirt and scruffy hair who was being driven by police earlier in the day.

So far, no arrests have been made in the case.


My question is why would the FBI Evidence Response Team Unit, be putting on a white jumpsuit? To not contaminate evidence? ::MonkeyConfused::



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 04, 2009, 01:19:10 PM
TRACY, Calif. -- Another person was questioned Friday in the disappearance of 8-year-old Sandra Cantu, who has been missing for a week.

The Tracy girl was last seen March 27 at Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park. So far, police have gotten more than 800 tips and leads on the case, with a massive volunteer effort scheduled for this weekend.

The Coast Guard said it would be running thermal imaging from a C-130 aircraft to assist the FBI in a Friday night search, a representative from McClellan Air Force Base said.

Police said they would hold a media update at 10:30 a.m. Saturday and would release video that was shot outside a mobile home in the park.

A search warrant was executed Friday at the park for a home and a car, police spokesman Lt. Jeremy Watney said. The car was towed, he said.

The man who was questioned Friday came voluntarily to the police station, Watney said. He was driven to the station because he did not have transportation.

He was not detained.


 
 

Officials set up a roadblock to help monitor traffic going in and out of the park.

Investigators towed away a blue Mitsubishi sports car and a white Isuzu sport utility vehicle on Friday, and a witness saw being taken from a mobile home in the park. In addition, a member of the FBI Evidence Response Team Unit was seen putting on a white jumpsuit.

Earlier in the day, a man was seen being led away from unit No. 43 in the park.

On Friday evening, a witness saw a man who looked like the person who was taken in for questioning returning to the park. He walked out of a car and went up to unit No. 43. Someone at the door gave him a hug and he walked inside. The man fit the description of a person wearing a plaid Pendleton shirt and scruffy hair who was being driven by police earlier in the day.

So far, no arrests have been made in the case.


My question is why would the FBI Evidence Response Team Unit, be putting on a white jumpsuit? To not contaminate evidence? ::MonkeyConfused::



Yes. Exactly. He is at #43. I found him on #61 but I am sure that is a mailing list error, happens all the time.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Maven on April 04, 2009, 01:21:31 PM
TRACY, Calif. -- Another person was questioned Friday in the disappearance of 8-year-old Sandra Cantu, who has been missing for a week.

The Tracy girl was last seen March 27 at Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park. So far, police have gotten more than 800 tips and leads on the case, with a massive volunteer effort scheduled for this weekend.

The Coast Guard said it would be running thermal imaging from a C-130 aircraft to assist the FBI in a Friday night search, a representative from McClellan Air Force Base said.

Police said they would hold a media update at 10:30 a.m. Saturday and would release video that was shot outside a mobile home in the park.

A search warrant was executed Friday at the park for a home and a car, police spokesman Lt. Jeremy Watney said. The car was towed, he said.

The man who was questioned Friday came voluntarily to the police station, Watney said. He was driven to the station because he did not have transportation.

He was not detained.


 
 

Officials set up a roadblock to help monitor traffic going in and out of the park.

Investigators towed away a blue Mitsubishi sports car and a white Isuzu sport utility vehicle on Friday, and a witness saw being taken from a mobile home in the park. In addition, a member of the FBI Evidence Response Team Unit was seen putting on a white jumpsuit.

Earlier in the day, a man was seen being led away from unit No. 43 in the park.

On Friday evening, a witness saw a man who looked like the person who was taken in for questioning returning to the park. He walked out of a car and went up to unit No. 43. Someone at the door gave him a hug and he walked inside. The man fit the description of a person wearing a plaid Pendleton shirt and scruffy hair who was being driven by police earlier in the day.

So far, no arrests have been made in the case.


My question is why would the FBI Evidence Response Team Unit, be putting on a white jumpsuit? To not contaminate evidence? ::MonkeyConfused::



It is possible that their search yielded evidence of something not connected with Sandra, the only thing I can think of that would need a white suit would be a meth lab or something.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 04, 2009, 01:29:31 PM
Maven, that is exactly what my daughter just said to me  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: BluesyGram on April 04, 2009, 01:42:06 PM
Thanks, I knew there was a confusion about those addresses. 

Why would they wait to show that surveillance video?  I understand the need for some secrecy in these cases...but sometimes the media can be your friend.  The more people that looks at something the better.

Like w/Haleigh case...they are letting the 'news' from LE die down...so will interest.  LE doing that, makes people wander in the 'wrong' directions, instead of being an assist they end up being a detriment.  They should offer 'some' clues.  IMO


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 04, 2009, 02:14:35 PM
NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/04/amber-alert-sandra-cantu-surveillance-video-to-be-released/

Amber Alert: Sandra Cantu Surveillance Video To Be Released


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 04, 2009, 02:46:39 PM
NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/04/amber-alert-sandra-cantu-surveillance-video-to-be-released/

Amber Alert: Sandra Cantu Surveillance Video To Be Released

Thanks, it is very hard for me to believe another Hello Kitty shirt from that mobile home park was thrown away a couple days after Sandra's disappearance, I suppose it could happen, but not very likely imo.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: BluesyGram on April 04, 2009, 02:55:14 PM
NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/04/amber-alert-sandra-cantu-surveillance-video-to-be-released/

Amber Alert: Sandra Cantu Surveillance Video To Be Released




Thank for posting KlaasBlink, did they say what size the shirt was?  Imagine if it was the same size as Sandra's?





Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 04, 2009, 03:08:51 PM
http://p.castfire.com/oglmm/video/75887/75887_2009-04-04-144916.flv


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: danabar on April 04, 2009, 03:13:43 PM
http://p.castfire.com/oglmm/video/75887/75887_2009-04-04-144916.flv

She seems so happy and carefree.  This video makes me more sad than before.  I'm praying that they find her soon.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 04, 2009, 03:14:58 PM
I might throw away a Hello Kitty shirt thinking it was bad luck or attracted an abductor.  Sure wouldn't want to be wearing it now. 




Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: MuffyBee on April 04, 2009, 03:15:53 PM
Thank you blink and klaas.  Danabar ~  I was posting almost the same thing at the same time you were.  It's just heartbreaking.  Sandra seems so carefree and happy in the video. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 04, 2009, 03:19:07 PM
I can't get the video from here...is there a link to it? thanks..


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 04, 2009, 03:20:37 PM
Thank you blink and klaas.  Danabar ~  I was posting almost the same thing at the same time you were.  It's just heartbreaking.  Sandra seems so carefree and happy in the video. 

Happy and appears not to have a care in the world, just the way childhood should be.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 04, 2009, 03:26:08 PM
Thank-you for the video. Here are a couple notes from the presser at 10:30 about the video.    The reason they were holding onto it was because it looked like she had a purse or backpack on and they didn't know if there was a "missing item" with the missing child. They have determined that it is a shadow.

-will not answer questions about when this video was shot or where it was shot. Just that it was that day. Won't comment on the angle. They are still going thru hundreds of hours of video tape.              So maybe the camera was not the one that grandpa had installed on their home, perhaps a neighbor across the street. So I guess it's hard to say if she was leaving her home or not, I'm a little confused with that.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 04, 2009, 03:26:16 PM
I can't get the video from here...is there a link to it? thanks..

I also added it to Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PsXV71OSws


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 04, 2009, 03:33:40 PM
Thank-you for the video. Here are a couple notes from the presser at 10:30 about the video.    The reason they were holding onto it was because it looked like she had a purse or backpack on and they didn't know if there was a "missing item" with the missing child. They have determined that it is a shadow.

-will not answer questions about when this video was shot or where it was shot. Just that it was that day. Won't comment on the angle. They are still going thru hundreds of hours of video tape.              So maybe the camera was not the one that grandpa had installed on their home, perhaps a neighbor across the street. So I guess it's hard to say if she was leaving her home or not, I'm a little confused with that.

She definately appears to be wearing a backpack, IMO.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/sandra1.jpg)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 04, 2009, 03:38:15 PM
So the eight year old girl would hang out with this couple ?
That in itself is odd. I don't know of any kids that I know hanging around with a couple that is not an auntie or an uncle or some relative, but not a couple of times a week.
What was the attraction for Sandra ? Or for this couple ?
People at work who are childless often enjoy the company of their small size relatives, so maybe there is nothing to this. Puzzling.
 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 04, 2009, 03:49:18 PM
It appears to me also that there is a purse or backpack also.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 04, 2009, 03:50:24 PM
So the eight year old girl would hang out with this couple ?
That in itself is odd. I don't know of any kids that I know hanging around with a couple that is not an auntie or an uncle or some relative, but not a couple of times a week.
What was the attraction for Sandra ? Or for this couple ?
People at work who are childless often enjoy the company of their small size relatives, so maybe there is nothing to this. Puzzling.
 
Something smells real bad to me with this imo. ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 04, 2009, 03:58:15 PM
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17728/2268/

Saturday search       
Written by Glenn Moore     
Saturday, 04 April 2009 
 

More than 300 searchers and voluntees fanned out across Tracy and beyond to look for missing Sandra Cantu beginning at 8 this morning.

(http://tracypress.com/images/stories/April_2009/0404searchforsandra1.500.jpg)

Members of the Contra Costa Search and Rescue team make their way north on MacArthur Drive outside of town this morning as they search an irrigation canal for any sign of Sandra Cantu who has been missing over a week now. Glenn Moore/Tracy Press

(http://tracypress.com/images/stories/April_2009/0404searchforsandra2.500.jpg)

A U.S. Coast Guard C-130 airplane equipped with infrared cameras flies above Tracy Friday evening during a night search of Tracy. Glenn Moore/Tracy Press

(http://tracypress.com/images/stories/April_2009/0404searchforsandra3.500.jpg)

Search crews look at a ditch passing underneath Arbor Road north of town as they conduct a search this morning. Glenn Moore/Tracy Press

(http://tracypress.com/images/stories/April_2009/0404searchforsandra4.500.jpg)

Search crews with a dog search along the fence line of the Tracy sewer plant along Holly Drive this morning. Glenn Moore/Tracy Press

(http://tracypress.com/images/stories/April_2009/0404searchforsandra5.500.jpg)

Search crews pass by the old Holly Sugar plant as they continue a search to the north of town this morning as they look for Sandra Cantu who has been missing over a week now. Glenn Moore/Tracy Press


 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 04, 2009, 03:59:10 PM
It appears to me also that there is a purse or backpack also.  ::MonkeyConfused::

LE has said they studied it but believe it is her own shadow and not a backpack.  Sure looks like a backpack to me.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 04, 2009, 04:14:16 PM
It appears to me also that there is a purse or backpack also.  ::MonkeyConfused::

LE has said they studied it but believe it is her own shadow and not a backpack.  Sure looks like a backpack to me.
It sure does, and thanks for all the pics of the search. So overwhelming.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 04, 2009, 04:19:09 PM
This type of thing with children almost makes a person want to have their kids
have some sort of GPS tracking thing on them or with them. Not a cell phone, but something that is always on the kid that can't be removed. I guess that isn't practical, having ankle braclets like felons have on your kids. Maybe someday there will be a way to shrink the technology and make it non removable disguised as a piece of jewelry.     


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 04, 2009, 04:28:08 PM
This type of thing with children almost makes a person want to have their kids
have some sort of GPS tracking thing on them or with them. Not a cell phone, but something that is always on the kid that can't be removed. I guess that isn't practical, having ankle braclets like felons have on your kids. Maybe someday there will be a way to shrink the technology and make it non removable disguised as a piece of jewelry.     
Like a microchip that is inserted into a pet.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 04, 2009, 04:48:05 PM
Hi Monkeys.
I just watched the video from this news channel - I am sure it is the exact same as the others posted online.

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=57338&catid=2

My heart breaks because Sandra looks so carefree like a Little Girl should .. not fearing for her safety. Oh lord.  After she is skipping and comes to a slower pace ..you can see she grabs the strap of the " backpack" "purse" what it is .. I am not sure. I do know though that Backpacks have changed through the years for children. Some do have One strap. To be put across the shoulder ..so their backs to not take the brunt of the weight/contents within the pack itself.

I have to comment on what was posted above " I think by No Rose" why is that these people The Slayters .. seem so close to Sandra. Why do they seem to know so much about her?
Did they spend time with her when she was playing outside ... or should I say Monitor her ... befriend her in some way. In a sick gut feeling .. I no likey these people.

I may have missed it - How close do the Slayters live to her House? What is the distance between homes?

I remember when I was Sandra's age and we had a older man in our neighborhood who would watch us kids play ... then he slowly started saying HI ..then he moved to talking to us ...then he knew our Names. Because 2nd graders are proud and happy little people .. My name is Sandra ..whats Your Name ?? He was older with white hair, had no pets, no children, no spouse. And he always was wearing just shorts and no shirt .. I remember that creeped me out. My Dad never went shirtless ever in my life - not around us kids ever.
Then he slowly started luring us into his house and He did. It took a while but he would get us into his house. He had a soft serve commercial Ice cream machine in his house. I will never forget it. One because I thought it was Weird. Even at 7yrs old .. I thought it was strange. Mind you this was 1972 - WHO has a Ice Cream Machine in their house?
I remember the smell of the ice cream even to this day .. was smokey and stinky and burnt ..smelling. That's prob what saved my friends and my life. We were talking to my Mom one day after a hard days play outdoors. My Mom was standing outside with a neighbor ... We had all just left " Ice cream Man's House".

We all started Chattering to My Mom and the Neighbor .. This man tried to get us to eat his ice cream. But we didn't eat it  ~ it smelled funny. My Mom said What Man? and we all talked at once ...this Man down the street he has yadda and he keeps wanting us to come in his house ... and we went in his house .... OH ALL HELL BROKE loose.

My Mom and all the Parents marched themselves right to his House. And told him if you Ever ask one of the children in your house again - You will have the Police on your doorstep. I think if I recall the police did become involved. All of us kids were punished and we were grounded .. because WE went into his house.
When kids are out playing its amazing how easy it is to Befriend them. We had been talking to this man all summer and our parents never knew of him, about him..until the ice cream came into notice.
I think back to that time and I cannot express HOW lucky we were as little kids - that nothing happened to us.
I just wonder about the neighbors in Sandra's park - How many of them befriended her ( that her parents did not know about) as she bounced around playing with the kids ..from to house to house.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
Has to be someone that Knows Sandra that is involved with her disappearance.
So Sad ..that you cannot let your kids play outside anymore without fear.






Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 04, 2009, 05:02:43 PM
Deenie, that's frightening, thank God it turned out the way it did. I'm remembering back to when I was a kid in a small town, and we all ran around without a care in the world. I'm sure there were some bad people, but nothing that I can really say that stuck out. Sometimes even when I go shopping I feel funny smiling at a child, because I don't want anyone to think I may be up to something, and I'm a woman in my early 50's.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 04, 2009, 05:21:21 PM
Lol. Don't Make me post my when I was 4 and crossed a bridge story..

Wow. The ice cream man in the hood. That is a perfect example of how insidious these creeps are. They are MASTERS at manipulating victims and they are highly dangerous.

When my kids were little, we had the ice cream truck guy ring his bell in the neighborhood, you know, the guy featured in the Rockwell painting.. Well at a very early age I taught my kids that that person was a stranger, we had no way to know if they were bad or good, so we have to assume they are bad. The kids in the neighborhood in some cases parents were not so strict, and my kids would watch them take off at the bell and skip down the street with long faces.

Even though I would immediately stop what I was doing and stocked all those treats and would allow them to have it at will because I did not want them to feel like they were missing out, they still did a little.

So, the next time that guy came to the hood I walked over to the truck, told the guy I would be glad to let my kids buy his ice cream if he would show me his ID (and in this case a greencard). He said "no have no creama today Lady, no creama.." and took off never to be seen again. Point is EVERY PERSON in contact with your kids or kids in general has to be checked out if your going to allow your kids face time with them. Absolutely everyone. You just can't know for sure.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 04, 2009, 05:25:54 PM
Deenie, that's frightening, thank God it turned out the way it did. I'm remembering back to when I was a kid in a small town, and we all ran around without a care in the world. I'm sure there were some bad people, but nothing that I can really say that stuck out. Sometimes even when I go shopping I feel funny smiling at a child, because I don't want anyone to think I may be up to something, and I'm a woman in my early 50's.
I totally agree with you No Rose. It is scary now a days. You don't know how to react to a child in public. If your too nice - Your weird. If your not nice your a cranky woman. I think back too about when I was a Bluebird and I sold light bulbs door to door .. "light bulbs " ..who wants light bulbs ? door to door ... But its true. That's what we sold. That was in 1970 ... But then in my Neighborhood we had a " Community Watch" and the PTA was huge then. And My Mom was heavy into it. We had in our Neighborhood a community group that was called " Helping Hands" and you had to be approved to join it.
If you were a Member you were allowed to put a tag board in your front window - All that was on it was a Red Hand - " Helping Hand", If you were a person, adult, child that was in need of shelter " safe house" you could go to that house with the Helping Hand in the window. 24/7 this house was to be available.

NOW today --- the only people that would want to be in that group would be a freak .. Come to my house little kid ... Because People today do not know their neighbors nor want to know their neighbors for the most part. Not that everyone should be lumped into that category as " Stranger" yet neighbor. We are not in that world any longer that People would be willing to open up their house to " anyone" its way too risky .. for the Home owner and the one in need. 

 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 04, 2009, 05:32:32 PM
When I was in Grade School in the olden days before so much of this type of stuff was known or talked about, I went to a school where there was a caretaker / janitor who gave me the creeps. I must have been 11 or 12. I could never put my finger on it.
Always too close to the kids unlike the other janitors who lived like trolls in the
basement or whatever they did. This one always wanted to help us with our jackets, etc and getting us dressed for recess. I didn't like him. He wore glasses that made his eyes look larger than they were and he looked creepy.
In the summer when there was no school we would go roller skating up by the school.
lots of smooth pavement, lots of kids. My Mother who was a very fearful type woman
would just go on forever that I was to not go into the school during the summer for a drink of water or for any reason ! She really put the fear into me. If I went into the school, something was going to happen to me.

..
Later one summer, there was a problem. A girl who I didn't know, their family suddenly moved away. The gossip at the door started with the neighbours. The janitor had lured the girl into the school and raped her. Thru some connection we all found out that this man had been in a hospital for the same thing and his brother had obtained him this job at the school upon his release. The brother of the man was a well known alderrman for the city I lived in and had used his influence to get this SO a job around litttle kids.
..
That was then. Now they do criminal and child abuse checks. But they still all want to be close to the cookie jar and still do apply for these jobs around kids, even though they know a bell is going to ding !   
..
If my Mother could have had her own radar screen with her chickies bleeping their whereabouts, she would have had one. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 04, 2009, 05:34:30 PM
Lol. Don't Make me post my when I was 4 and crossed a bridge story..

Wow. The ice cream man in the hood. That is a perfect example of how insidious these creeps are. They are MASTERS at manipulating victims and they are highly dangerous.

When my kids were little, we had the ice cream truck guy ring his bell in the neighborhood, you know, the guy featured in the Rockwell painting.. Well at a very early age I taught my kids that that person was a stranger, we had no way to know if they were bad or good, so we have to assume they are bad. The kids in the neighborhood in some cases parents were not so strict, and my kids would watch them take off at the bell and skip down the street with long faces.

Even though I would immediately stop what I was doing and stocked all those treats and would allow them to have it at will because I did not want them to feel like they were missing out, they still did a little.

So, the next time that guy came to the hood I walked over to the truck, told the guy I would be glad to let my kids buy his ice cream if he would show me his ID (and in this case a greencard). He said "no have no creama today Lady, no creama.." and took off never to be seen again. Point is EVERY PERSON in contact with your kids or kids in general has to be checked out if your going to allow your kids face time with them. Absolutely everyone. You just can't know for sure.
Good for You Blink .. You policed the Ice Cream Man .. I think what you did was the right thing. Just read the news and its said in every corner of the US .. yet another school teacher up to no good. Now its the female teachers .. not just the males. That is what I was going to mention too .. I am surprised that Halloween Trick & Treating has not been Banned ... I think all that Parents that allow their kids to go Door to Door ..for selling things ..should have their Brain's checked. I cant tell you in my neighborhood how many times I have found a 10-12 yr olds on my porch selling something .. with no parents around. I stopped answering my door. My heart can't take it. My instincts say NO to Door to Door selling. I wont answer my front door to Anyone for that matter.
I have a No soliciting sign in my window. They keep knocking though ..evidently they can't read.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 04, 2009, 05:35:29 PM
Blink that was a great idea, there is an ice cream truck that comes through the neighborhood everyday, just started about a month ago, never thought to do that. Deenie, that was a great idea in your neighborhood, I've never seen that, but I do recall reading about that years ago, like a safe haven in the neighborhood. When I was a Girl Scout I went running all through the neighborhood selling my cookies alone, no way would that happen anymore.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 04, 2009, 05:38:51 PM
I live in Canada. Perverts are everywhere. I also want one strike you go away forever laws here. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 04, 2009, 05:41:04 PM
When I was in Grade School in the olden days before so much of this type of stuff was known or talked about, I went to a school where there was a caretaker / janitor who gave me the creeps. I must have been 11 or 12. I could never put my finger on it.
Always too close to the kids unlike the other janitors who lived like trolls in the
basement or whatever they did. This one always wanted to help us with our jackets, etc and getting us dressed for recess. I didn't like him. He wore glasses that made his eyes look larger than they were and he looked creepy.
In the summer when there was no school we would go roller skating up by the school.
lots of smooth pavement, lots of kids. My Mother who was a very fearful type woman
would just go on forever that I was to not go into the school during the summer for a drink of water or for any reason ! She really put the fear into me. If I went into the school, something was going to happen to me.

..
Later one summer, there was a problem. A girl who I didn't know, their family suddenly moved away. The gossip at the door started with the neighbours. The janitor had lured the girl into the school and raped her. Thru some connection we all found out that this man had been in a hospital for the same thing and his brother had obtained him this job at the school upon his release. The brother of the man was a well known alderrman for the city I lived in and had used his influence to get this SO a job around litttle kids.
..
That was then. Now they do criminal and child abuse checks. But they still all want to be close to the cookie jar and still do apply for these jobs around kids, even though they know a bell is going to ding !   
..
If my Mother could have had her own radar screen with her chickies bleeping their whereabouts, she would have had one. 
Good thing You Mom did have her common sense. Even though it scared you, she planted the seed into your mind ... that Not all adults are to be trusted. I think we have all had that Janitor Kat .. I don't know what is about that job in a school but EWE.. I am sorry that happened to the little girl. But maybe Her Mamma didn't tell her.. because he is nice doesn't mean you have to be his friend or talk to him, or make contact.
Not blaming the little girl at all.
Its sad that we have to put the fear of God into our kids when it comes to strangers.
I wonder what did Sandra's Mom tell her about " Strangers" or did she say as long as I have met them ..they are Ok. I still am stuck on the Slayters .. and Why they found Sandra in their interest.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 04, 2009, 05:41:35 PM
Here, the fundraisers , the kids don't go door to door anymore.
It's usually the parents & Grandparent that flog the stuff at work.
I haven't seen a kid at my door since Halloween. And then the kid had a a parent with them. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 04, 2009, 06:05:57 PM
On the video just released of Sandra, her flip flops cannot be hers, they must be her moms or older sisters, they are way too big. I just noticed that now, after watching the video several times.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 04, 2009, 06:15:36 PM
I think that in today's Society - the most important lessons you can teach your small children ..before they become Sandra's age.
Strangers and or Adults who children meet in their Neighborhoods/ Apts/ Condo/
1. Adults * do not chose children as friends
2. Adults do not need a child to help them - Do anything .. not look for a Puppy, Help them in their Yard, Need their assistance ..for any reason. None.
3. Adults without children in their lives " Do not play with Toys" If you are lured by an Adult with a Toy or video game .. Say NO and get away from that person as quick as possible.
And last but least - Never listen to the Orders of an Adult you do not know -
As in a Stranger saying Come into my House, Get in my Car ..etc. 
Get away from that person and find someone you do know and tell them about that person. 

This is what Sick people do - they try to use their Authority as an Adult on to little kids .. Kids are taught from day one ... Listen to an Adult. I think that this law of the land needs to be revised !  Kids should not have to live in Fear ..they just need to know the basics .. of what NOT to do .. And what to do if put into certain situations.
Not that this is a cure all. Because kids are loving happy little beings and they don't understand .. But I think that if its explained to them every so often as they age. They will not be afraid or have fear, if anything they will feel stronger and more confident if God forbid they are in a situation with a stranger or with any adult for that matter.





Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 04, 2009, 06:23:34 PM
Great Job to everyone who is vigilant about our children. As I have said ad nauseum, these crimes, these predatory scumbags are preventable, which makes it worse. HOW do we get people to start being more aware of their surroundings?

Im not a crusader, Im a realist, if someone is targeted, it is difficult to protect oneself in advance. I get that. This is a DIFFERENT situation. There is zero doubt in my mind this is a known offender. This is someone that acted out, it went badly, and he had no choice. I apologize in advance if I have offended anyone by saying this, It's what I believe will be learned eventually. It's the only way it makes sense. She went with someone she trusted, someone she should not have.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 04, 2009, 06:24:29 PM
Klaas...thanks for the video and the pictures of the search..

that video made me really sad...she really did look like a carefree kid, just loving life....how could the LE consider that she might have run away when she was so obviously happy?  Noticed as well that the flip flops appeared to be too big for her...think Rosie mentioned that.. also, definitely looks like a backpack to me...

no other news I guess huh?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 04, 2009, 06:25:50 PM
On the video just released of Sandra, her flip flops cannot be hers, they must be her moms or older sisters, they are way too big. I just noticed that now, after watching the video several times.

No Rose what I cannot understand is .. How is that Sandra was able to come in and go out " After the girls figured out they had not enough Money to go to the Movies" .. How she was to just roam freely without telling someone " I am going to this persons house" or my destination is .. Maybe I am wrong But I keep seeing in the news articles she was outside and missing around 8 pm.
She is 8 ..who lets their 8 yr old run around at that time " alone". Why was she not with her sisters?
I can't sit behind my screen and beat up Mom .. because I do not know the facts..

I just don't understand if that is true that she was able to run in and out at that time of night ..without knowing exactly where she was going ..or Why she was even allowed.
Disturbing to me.
 



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 04, 2009, 06:30:38 PM
Great Job to everyone who is vigilant about our children. As I have said ad nauseum, these crimes, these predatory scumbags are preventable, which makes it worse. HOW do we get people to start being more aware of their surroundings?

Im not a crusader, Im a realist, if someone is targeted, it is difficult to protect oneself in advance. I get that. This is a DIFFERENT situation. There is zero doubt in my mind this is a known offender. This is someone that acted out, it went badly, and he had no choice. I apologize in advance if I have offended anyone by saying this, It's what I believe will be learned eventually. It's the only way it makes sense. She went with someone she trusted, someone she should not have.
As sad as it is Blink .. I think your right. She went with someone she trusted. Because it was stated by Mom that " Sandra" would never go voluntarily with a stranger ..
Oh god..  I am praying for her.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 04, 2009, 06:37:08 PM
I wanted to share this - I found it online in regards to " Frank" Wohler who Kissed " Sandra" on the mouth ..when she was 6.
This is a review on Yahoo that a gal wrote in 2006 of his School .. she was his Student. I found her choice of words interesting. Her perception of Frank.

My Rating: I have been to many self defense schools and this school is by far the best I have ever seen. Sifu Frank is more then a teacher to his students. He is more like a father figure or roll model. I highly recommend this school.


Um Father Figure ..Roll Model ... Um I don't think that is a necessary relationship between Instructor and student ..esp young kids.  Martial Arts is a deep teaching not only physical but its Mind control as well. I am sure he gets his Giggles off of Making his Presence known in these kids lives. " Just being Nice" mind you.





Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 04, 2009, 06:37:41 PM
yahoo link sorry I forgot - http://local.yahoo.com/info-21659086-delta-kajukenbo-school-of-self-tracy


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 04, 2009, 06:43:24 PM
Great Job to everyone who is vigilant about our children. As I have said ad nauseum, these crimes, these predatory scumbags are preventable, which makes it worse. HOW do we get people to start being more aware of their surroundings?

Im not a crusader, Im a realist, if someone is targeted, it is difficult to protect oneself in advance. I get that. This is a DIFFERENT situation. There is zero doubt in my mind this is a known offender. This is someone that acted out, it went badly, and he had no choice. I apologize in advance if I have offended anyone by saying this, It's what I believe will be learned eventually. It's the only way it makes sense. She went with someone she trusted, someone she should not have.
I totally agree with you, and I also believe there is more going on, child porn ring of some kind, just my feeling.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: mizjay on April 04, 2009, 06:46:20 PM


 So many great posts, I can't even start to single out any quotes but agree with all on the multitudes of sick, twisted pervs in our midst.
It really hits home, my grandson who is 12 is not allowed to do so many things that I ( and even his mother, my daughter) was able to do as child. Being constricted by the very real dangers that these offenders concoct I feel in some ways lessons his ability to learn how to make decisions about situations that call for problem solving and little by little taking risks in the big world that help us to learn our strengths and weaknesses.

Don't get me wrong, I totally agree that he shouldn't walk alone or visit strangers or other potentialy scarey stuff but it makes me so angry that childhood now is fraught with lurking perverts and lunatics.

One strike is all they should get. And also the internet that allows them to feed and nurture their obsessions, IMO is partly to blame. Before, any fetish or perversion may have been inside these folks but in order to "see" it they ahd to find seamy backroom porn shops to buy a magazine or a grainy flick, they had to worry about bad stigma from society. Now, in the comfort and anonyminity of their own home, 24/7 they can see it, visualize themselves doing it and then they need the real thing. It's sick.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 04, 2009, 06:48:00 PM
On the video just released of Sandra, her flip flops cannot be hers, they must be her moms or older sisters, they are way too big. I just noticed that now, after watching the video several times.

No Rose what I cannot understand is .. How is that Sandra was able to come in and go out " After the girls figured out they had not enough Money to go to the Movies" .. How she was to just roam freely without telling someone " I am going to this persons house" or my destination is .. Maybe I am wrong But I keep seeing in the news articles she was outside and missing around 8 pm.
She is 8 ..who lets their 8 yr old run around at that time " alone". Why was she not with her sisters?
I can't sit behind my screen and beat up Mom .. because I do not know the facts..

I just don't understand if that is true that she was able to run in and out at that time of night ..without knowing exactly where she was going ..or Why she was even allowed.
Disturbing to me.
 


I for the life of me can't figure why the mom waited until 8 to call the police. I wonder where the mom thought she was at, I'm guessing she just thought she was at a friend's house  ::MonkeyConfused:: I can't imagine allowing a child to go out and play around the complex, but it sounds like she did this quite often.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 04, 2009, 06:55:24 PM


 So many great posts, I can't even start to single out any quotes but agree with all on the multitudes of sick, twisted pervs in our midst.
It really hits home, my grandson who is 12 is not allowed to do so many things that I ( and even his mother, my daughter) was able to do as child. Being constricted by the very real dangers that these offenders concoct I feel in some ways lessons his ability to learn how to make decisions about situations that call for problem solving and little by little taking risks in the big world that help us to learn our strengths and weaknesses.

Don't get me wrong, I totally agree that he shouldn't walk alone or visit strangers or other potentialy scarey stuff but it makes me so angry that childhood now is fraught with lurking perverts and lunatics.

One strike is all they should get. And also the internet that allows them to feed and nurture their obsessions, IMO is partly to blame. Before, any fetish or perversion may have been inside these folks but in order to "see" it they ahd to find seamy backroom porn shops to buy a magazine or a grainy flick, they had to worry about bad stigma from society. Now, in the comfort and anonyminity of their own home, 24/7 they can see it, visualize themselves doing it and then they need the real thing. It's sick.
So much of childhood like we knew it, is gone. The internent is partly to blame, that's for sure, it makes me so ill to hear of rings being broken up with pictures of little ones that they swap. Now all the horrific images are only a few clicks away, for these perverts.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: mizjay on April 04, 2009, 07:07:09 PM


 So many great posts, I can't even start to single out any quotes but agree with all on the multitudes of sick, twisted pervs in our midst.
It really hits home, my grandson who is 12 is not allowed to do so many things that I ( and even his mother, my daughter) was able to do as child. Being constricted by the very real dangers that these offenders concoct I feel in some ways lessons his ability to learn how to make decisions about situations that call for problem solving and little by little taking risks in the big world that help us to learn our strengths and weaknesses.

Don't get me wrong, I totally agree that he shouldn't walk alone or visit strangers or other potentialy scarey stuff but it makes me so angry that childhood now is fraught with lurking perverts and lunatics.

One strike is all they should get. And also the internet that allows them to feed and nurture their obsessions, IMO is partly to blame. Before, any fetish or perversion may have been inside these folks but in order to "see" it they ahd to find seamy backroom porn shops to buy a magazine or a grainy flick, they had to worry about bad stigma from society. Now, in the comfort and anonyminity of their own home, 24/7 they can see it, visualize themselves doing it and then they need the real thing. It's sick.
So much of childhood like we knew it, is gone. The internent is partly to blame, that's for sure, it makes me so ill to hear of rings being broken up with pictures of little ones that they swap. Now all the horrific images are only a few clicks away, for these perverts.

Yep.  that's another part of it, all these scumbags that produce this trash for internet consumption have to get children for the videos and still pics. It's awful to think about. Then we've got so many derelict parents and people strung out on drugs that are willing to trade their kids for the next fix.
Sounds like I'm bringing down the whole depressing side of our society this afternoon, but I'd be willing to put my money (what little there is !) where my mouth is to fight it but I just don't know how.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: theboyzmom on April 04, 2009, 07:14:51 PM
I think that in today's Society - the most important lessons you can teach your small children ..before they become Sandra's age.
Strangers and or Adults who children meet in their Neighborhoods/ Apts/ Condo/
1. Adults * do not chose children as friends
2. Adults do not need a child to help them - Do anything .. not look for a Puppy, Help them in their Yard, Need their assistance ..for any reason. None.
3. Adults without children in their lives " Do not play with Toys" If you are lured by an Adult with a Toy or video game .. Say NO and get away from that person as quick as possible.
And last but least - Never listen to the Orders of an Adult you do not know -
As in a Stranger saying Come into my House, Get in my Car ..etc. 
Get away from that person and find someone you do know and tell them about that person. 

This is what Sick people do - they try to use their Authority as an Adult on to little kids .. Kids are taught from day one ... Listen to an Adult. I think that this law of the land needs to be revised !  Kids should not have to live in Fear ..they just need to know the basics .. of what NOT to do .. And what to do if put into certain situations.
Not that this is a cure all. Because kids are loving happy little beings and they don't understand .. But I think that if its explained to them every so often as they age. They will not be afraid or have fear, if anything they will feel stronger and more confident if God forbid they are in a situation with a stranger or with any adult for that matter.





WOW - that is a great list of info - I am printing it and putting it up for my kids to memorize!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 04, 2009, 07:58:03 PM
I think that in today's Society - the most important lessons you can teach your small children ..before they become Sandra's age.
Strangers and or Adults who children meet in their Neighborhoods/ Apts/ Condo/
1. Adults * do not chose children as friends
2. Adults do not need a child to help them - Do anything .. not look for a Puppy, Help them in their Yard, Need their assistance ..for any reason. None.
3. Adults without children in their lives " Do not play with Toys" If you are lured by an Adult with a Toy or video game .. Say NO and get away from that person as quick as possible.
And last but least - Never listen to the Orders of an Adult you do not know -
As in a Stranger saying Come into my House, Get in my Car ..etc. 
Get away from that person and find someone you do know and tell them about that person. 

This is what Sick people do - they try to use their Authority as an Adult on to little kids .. Kids are taught from day one ... Listen to an Adult. I think that this law of the land needs to be revised !  Kids should not have to live in Fear ..they just need to know the basics .. of what NOT to do .. And what to do if put into certain situations.
Not that this is a cure all. Because kids are loving happy little beings and they don't understand .. But I think that if its explained to them every so often as they age. They will not be afraid or have fear, if anything they will feel stronger and more confident if God forbid they are in a situation with a stranger or with any adult for that matter.





WOW - that is a great list of info - I am printing it and putting it up for my kids to memorize!
Its true all of it - and Kids should take these words as Rules ..
I am glad that your sharing it with your children


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 04, 2009, 09:29:26 PM
This article might have been posted already, but what is interesting are the comments, there are comments from a resident, with a very good description of the park, and the video of Sandra.  http://tracypress.com/content/view/17727/2268/


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 04, 2009, 09:51:34 PM
This article might have been posted already, but what is interesting are the comments, there are comments from a resident, with a very good description of the park, and the video of Sandra.  http://tracypress.com/content/view/17727/2268/

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written by doors17 , April 04, 2009
I live at the Orchard Estates and have replayed this video several times, I can tell you she is coming from the back of the club house, and is walking past where we wash our cars headed towards her home, where it looks like someone from just the right of her caught her attention and not someone down the street at a long distance.

In case anyone ask, no I don't know her. I'm sure I've seen her before, but we have many kids here, so to me she's just one of many. Now that the weather is getting better and we changed the clocks where we now have more daylight, I'm seeing many kids outside playing again.

As a resident here I want all of you to know that the Tracy Police and the FBI are doing everything they can. Tracy can be very proud of them. So please show them the support that they truly do deserve.



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written by doors17 , April 04, 2009
To answer Say What's question, she is walking AWAY from our only entrance. I'm sure the police have checked this out but across the street from where she lives, maybe two homes over they have been working and painting on one of the homes for about a month now, and have many workers there. But again I'm sure they have been checked out.

My place has been searched twice, like everyone else here. And we have a Police car at our entrance to keep the media away. When I left the park yesterday the FBI was stopping and checking our ID, looking in our cars, and trunks. The odd thing today is there no media trucks across the street for the first time since this started.



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written by doors17 , April 04, 2009
No, she was not leaving the park. Our entrance is also our exit. It's the only way in and out of our park.



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written by doors17 , April 04, 2009
The exit is a wall. With homes in front of the wall. Where she lives there are about six homes down the road in the direction she is looking towards. The wall has a line of about 12 to 15 homes.


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written by doors17 , April 04, 2009
If she was walking towards the entrance/exit you would have seen our mail boxes which would be just to the left where we wash our cars and where you first see her. She is headed for the back of the park with no exit of any kind.


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written by doors17 , April 04, 2009
Well if she walked around the street or just turned backwards that would be her only way out. I would think the hotel across the street where all the media have been would have a camera in their parking lot looking towards our only way in & out, but I'm sure that's been checked out.

Yesterday was our trash pick up day, and I would like to think that the police had a empty truck pick up our trash to make it easier for those who are checking. With empty trash cans now, I've been checking mine to make sure no one has put anything in it. Because if anyone had anything to do with it who lives here, I don't think they would be crazy enough to put it in their own.


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written by doors17 , April 04, 2009
No trees. At least I don't think so. No one here has trees on their land, there's no room and it's against the rules to plant any here. She is walking south, so her shadow would be on her left, at that time of day.


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written by doors17 , April 04, 2009
She's going across the street because you can see her shadow is getting longer and thinner. That yellow strip that you see is a very high speed bump. Our speed bumps here are very high and thick, which is good because believe me, it does make you slow down to near zero when you go over them.


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written by doors17 , April 04, 2009
No. The only way in & out is right behind her about maybe I would guess 20 to 30 yards. Where she is headed is toward a row of homes.
Where she is going there are maybe six homes on that row left in that direction including the one that has been worked and painted on with the many workers for the past month. They're still there I think, so I'm sure they had to be questioned to see if they saw anything.


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written by doors17 , April 04, 2009
She is coming out of a small parking spot, which can hold only three cars, as you can see her running between two cars. The two walls to her left are where we wash our cars.

If you were to stand in front of our only way in & out you would see the two story club house with a pool in front. If you then looked to your left you would see the street in which she lives on, and her home is on the left side of that street.


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written by doors17 , April 04, 2009
I'm leaving right now for about two hours. I'll check it out later, I don't know what more information I can give you, I can tell you I don't know her or her family. If I was in the Tracy Mall and they walked past me I wouldn't know them by sight.


Hmmm, it appears someone actively trying to get them to register at WS  ::MonkeyCool::

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written by ThatsMyMonkeyMan , April 04, 2009
Doors17

Just wanted to add on that a lot of people there would appreciate any help you could give. It would be nice to have a local who knows the park and area well to post there. I hope you check it out and join us there. Here is the thread about Sandra that you could post in once you join:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82402&page=14

Here is the link to the registration form:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/register.php



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written by doors17 , April 04, 2009
To answer Tinkerbell38 question we have 4 streets that run north to south. And we have two streets that run east to west. The east to west streets are at the front of the park and the back. In the video at the very end she was going south towards the end of the park. So if anyone took her by car they could have gone around the park on any of the other 4 streets to get out. The street she lives on is very busy. Behind the two walls where we wash our cars is all of our mailboxes, which is why it's has the most traffic.




















Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 04, 2009, 11:14:19 PM


 So many great posts, I can't even start to single out any quotes but agree with all on the multitudes of sick, twisted pervs in our midst.
It really hits home, my grandson who is 12 is not allowed to do so many things that I ( and even his mother, my daughter) was able to do as child. Being constricted by the very real dangers that these offenders concoct I feel in some ways lessons his ability to learn how to make decisions about situations that call for problem solving and little by little taking risks in the big world that help us to learn our strengths and weaknesses.

Don't get me wrong, I totally agree that he shouldn't walk alone or visit strangers or other potentialy scarey stuff but it makes me so angry that childhood now is fraught with lurking perverts and lunatics.

One strike is all they should get. And also the internet that allows them to feed and nurture their obsessions, IMO is partly to blame. Before, any fetish or perversion may have been inside these folks but in order to "see" it they ahd to find seamy backroom porn shops to buy a magazine or a grainy flick, they had to worry about bad stigma from society. Now, in the comfort and anonyminity of their own home, 24/7 they can see it, visualize themselves doing it and then they need the real thing. It's sick.

mizjay-
Unfortunately for me, that may be the first post of yours I have had the pleasure to read. I felt like it was from my Mom to my children, or my Gram (Grhs) to me. What I loved about it was your sadness for your grandchild because it DOES have an impact, and things are different, but in contrast your embrace of it's necessity to protect him in today's enviornment.
My compliments. It moved me. I hope you will share it with anyone in your peer group that could benefit.

Regards-
Blink


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 04, 2009, 11:25:58 PM
shocking Klaas, Solicitation and campaigning for unverified folk obliged to say anything, in any case.  What the hell do we care.. we can always delete..

Last night they had a person on claiming she had been found and poster went from text messages and personal friend to friend of a frend via email and NOBODY noticed.  It's an embarassment to dedicated posters there, imo, not to mention disrespectful to the family.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 04, 2009, 11:29:52 PM
On the video just released of Sandra, her flip flops cannot be hers, they must be her moms or older sisters, they are way too big. I just noticed that now, after watching the video several times.

No Rose what I cannot understand is .. How is that Sandra was able to come in and go out " After the girls figured out they had not enough Money to go to the Movies" .. How she was to just roam freely without telling someone " I am going to this persons house" or my destination is .. Maybe I am wrong But I keep seeing in the news articles she was outside and missing around 8 pm.
She is 8 ..who lets their 8 yr old run around at that time " alone". Why was she not with her sisters?
I can't sit behind my screen and beat up Mom .. because I do not know the facts..

I just don't understand if that is true that she was able to run in and out at that time of night ..without knowing exactly where she was going ..or Why she was even allowed.
Disturbing to me.
 


I for the life of me can't figure why the mom waited until 8 to call the police. I wonder where the mom thought she was at, I'm guessing she just thought she was at a friend's house  ::MonkeyConfused:: I can't imagine allowing a child to go out and play around the complex, but it sounds like she did this quite often.

No Rose- I completely agree. That makes Z E R O sense to me. She was newly 8 years old with older siblings. At a minimum, at dinner time, send one of them out to find her..  Who the hell am I kidding, I am applying logic when there is none. The reality is, there is no good response to that issue for me. It is a WTF? and is going to stay a WTF?  I am so sorry for this baby.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: danabar on April 04, 2009, 11:32:36 PM
Hope this hasn't already been posted.  This is a another vid of Sandra leaving on youtube.

To me it looks like she is wearing a backpack or a purse of something.  I heard LE said no.  It just doesn't look like a shadow to me.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1j5R-sVIRA


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 04, 2009, 11:46:22 PM
Hope this hasn't already been posted.  This is a another vid of Sandra leaving on youtube.

To me it looks like she is wearing a backpack or a purse of something.  I heard LE said no.  It just doesn't look like a shadow to me.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1j5R-sVIRA

It's the same video but better quality and I agree she is wearing a backpack.  LE has said no, that it was a shadow but I disagree.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 05, 2009, 12:06:38 AM
I have run the gamut of "its a shadow" to maybe it is a backpack.

As Klaas will attest (sorry I bugged you all day) I was prepared to think it a shadow as well. I have reviewed this video a bazillion times. Me thinks it is a purse. NOT a backpack. Watch her swing around her arms, then at the V E R Y  last second, she "crooks" her left arm as if securing a handbag?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Dihannah1 on April 05, 2009, 12:08:59 AM
I think that in today's Society - the most important lessons you can teach your small children ..before they become Sandra's age.
Strangers and or Adults who children meet in their Neighborhoods/ Apts/ Condo/
1. Adults * do not chose children as friends
2. Adults do not need a child to help them - Do anything .. not look for a Puppy, Help them in their Yard, Need their assistance ..for any reason. None.
3. Adults without children in their lives " Do not play with Toys" If you are lured by an Adult with a Toy or video game .. Say NO and get away from that person as quick as possible.
And last but least - Never listen to the Orders of an Adult you do not know -
As in a Stranger saying Come into my House, Get in my Car ..etc. 
Get away from that person and find someone you do know and tell them about that person. 

This is what Sick people do - they try to use their Authority as an Adult on to little kids .. Kids are taught from day one ... Listen to an Adult. I think that this law of the land needs to be revised !  Kids should not have to live in Fear ..they just need to know the basics .. of what NOT to do .. And what to do if put into certain situations.
Not that this is a cure all. Because kids are loving happy little beings and they don't understand .. But I think that if its explained to them every so often as they age. They will not be afraid or have fear, if anything they will feel stronger and more confident if God forbid they are in a situation with a stranger or with any adult for that matter.





WOW - that is a great list of info - I am printing it and putting it up for my kids to memorize!

It was great advice,  I just sent it to my daughter who lives in NY and has a 5 year old.   I know she keeps an eye out, but one can never be TOO careful!  Thanks for that thoughtful list!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 05, 2009, 12:26:20 AM
Blink - if you are still online I may have something...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 05, 2009, 12:31:28 AM
I have run the gamut of "its a shadow" to maybe it is a backpack.

As Klaas will attest (sorry I bugged you all day) I was prepared to think it a shadow as well. I have reviewed this video a bazillion times. Me thinks it is a purse. NOT a backpack. Watch her swing around her arms, then at the V E R Y  last second, she "crooks" her left arm as if securing a handbag?


I was just looking at this video again.  Look to the right of her.  There is her shadow. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 05, 2009, 12:33:15 AM
Your welcome Dihanna1


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 05, 2009, 12:42:07 AM
I went to the admin building this morning.  I had been called by someone I left my name with and that's where she told me to go.  Last night at 9ish, I called to make sure. I kept telling her that on the news they were saying go to Linne Rd.  She said, no, this is where the search volunteers are going to be.

Well, that is where the trained people went.  Civilians went to Linne Rd.  So I made the trek down there again.  I don't really want to talk negative about the police department, but I think they wasted some volunteer resources. 

What I did today...  I took down fliers with her with the dark hair and put up fliers with her with the lighter hair.  I was actually by the Tracy In Shape that the boy who had been tortured ran into half naked.  The girl I was with pointed out a few houses that one was where he lived, but she couldn't remember which one exactly.  Definitely didn't look like a neighborhood that something like that would be happening in.  There is a school a few blocks up the road.

At the admin building, there were a ton of people who looked like military of some sort and many different agencies with their search and rescue teams.  I saw some people with their dogs too.  I left there and went and got my fliers. 

I came home and actually went back to Tracy for dinner.  I drove out to the bridge where they had searched the water.  It's pretty desolate up in that area.  Lots of farm land.  There is still an officer stationed at the front of the mobile home park.  About every news van imaginable is in the Microtel parking lot across the street.  I specifically was watching the air to see if I saw any air activities tonight, but if there were any, I didn't see them.  There are a lot more hotels in that area than I saw when I first went there.  There's also a Best Western right outside the park too.  And quite a few others across Tracy Blvd.  I'll watch the 10 pm news and let you know if there's anything new there.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 05, 2009, 12:43:47 AM
Hi Dihannah!

Long time no see!  This one is in my neck of the woods  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Dihannah1 on April 05, 2009, 01:16:42 AM
Hi Dihannah!

Long time no see!  This one is in my neck of the woods  ::MonkeyWaa::

Hi Spring!  I'm still around, just lurking and reading nowadays.   Seems everybody posts my same thoughts, so no sense, in beating a dead horse, :).   These cases are really starting to get to me.   Started with Natalee, for a couple years, and now we have all these lil one's, helpless the sickos in our own country, let alone across the world.   It just saddens me.  So I choose to read, stay caught up and quite until, I am in a position  to take action (God forbid another should come up), though we know in this society, it's not going to get better.   Keep up the great work!

Love all my Monkey friends!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Dihannah1 on April 05, 2009, 01:21:51 AM
Hi Dihannah!

Long time no see!  This one is in my neck of the woods  ::MonkeyWaa::

I meant to mention, I had two in my neck of the woods and I worked side by side with Tim Miller, which was an honor.  He may get involved in this case as well.  I know what you are going through and you are a true hero for helping out.   You are doing a great service and should be proud.  Keep your head high and I will keep you and the family in my prayers.  We just have to have at least ONE good ending!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Dihannah1 on April 05, 2009, 01:28:24 AM
I just popped in to post, but will go back to lurking.  You all are doing a great job, so for the innocent children, keep it up.

God Bless all you Monkeys and all your hard work!



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Maven on April 05, 2009, 02:21:04 AM
Spring that is great you volunteered! I'm sad that there was nothing found today tho.

I watched that video many,many times and it does look like a backpack or something on her shoulder, but when I look at her shadow I don't see anything like that.

I hope she is found soon!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 05, 2009, 09:21:52 AM
Spring, sorry you had a bit of a time.. I am very proud to know you and the fact that you volunteered your time for Sandra and her family is invaluable.  Thanks for any updates also.

Blink


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 05, 2009, 09:41:29 AM
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090405/A_NEWS/904050320/-1/A_SPECIAL0263

Tracy shows its character in search


By Tara Cuslidge
April 05, 2009
Record Online Editor
It took me more than a half-hour to drive less than a mile in Tracy on Monday.

My route began at the Orchard Estate Mobile Park, the last place anyone saw 8-year-old Sandra Cantu before she disappeared March 27. It ended at the home my husband and I rent near El Pescadero Park.

It was almost 9 p.m. and the vigil for Cantu had ended. A minor traffic jam ensued. Cars lined the parking lot across the street from the mobile home park all the way back to Interstate 205.

A flier taped to the car in front of me gave reason for it all: "Please come home safe Sandra!" To my right, another said: "We're praying for you."

It's been a little less than a year since my husband - a Richmond engineer - and I decided Tracy would be the place we'd make our first home.

We weighed the positives and negatives of Stockton, closer to my work and family; Manteca, closer to his family, and Tracy, the happy median that meant dual commutes.

In Tracy, the price was right, the house was nice and the locale seemed friendly.

Nearly every shopping trip to the local grocery store starts with someone engaging me in a conversation. There's always a person willing to offer a tip on how to perfect my homemade candy. And our neighbors genuinely care about us, made evident by the compassion they showed when our home was broken into in December.

But Stockton was my home town, where I spent most of my time awake and the place I really called home. "I only sleep in Tracy," I once told a friend.

That changed the day after Cantu disappeared, and I suddenly became aware of the character of my new city.

A quick stop at a fast-food restaurant near the intersection of Tracy Boulevard and Clover Road had me staring eye-to-eye with the beautiful little girl.

In bold, red letters, the flier said: "MISSING."

Within hours, everyone knew.

A neighbor stopped me last Sunday - knowing I work for The Record - to ask if I'd heard anything "breaking and fresh." No. Just what we reported.

The same day, my husband responded to a knock on the door. A Girl Scout troop from the Bay Area was trying to help the search. On the table when I got home was a new flier, urging residents to leave no old refrigerator or shed unchecked.

By Monday I was at that vigil, recording video, watching the sorrow unfolding as a journalist. On nearly every street corner between Cantu's home and mine, residents handed out fliers.

"I already have one," I told a woman. "Please take it anyway," she said. I did.

I noticed as I drove around the city of 81,000 late last week that I, too, was hoping to see her somewhere, anywhere, walking along the street, safe and out of harm's way.

Tracy has had a lot of bad news lately - the sad story of Kyle, the captive teen, and recent arrests of alleged sex offenders - but the city and its residents have showed a determination to find Cantu that I have learned is a cornerstone of Tracy life.

All of Tracy is hoping she'll come home. And we'll keep watching until she does.

Contact Online Editor Tara Cuslidge at (209) 546-8276 or tcuslidge@recordnet.com


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 05, 2009, 10:26:50 AM
Thanks for the updates. And Spring2 thanks for your help I'm sure Sandra's family and friends and everyone is very thankful.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 05, 2009, 10:43:54 AM
all of you  Monkees rock! what a bunch of sweet caring monkees there are here..
thanks to everyone in the area for doing your part on "behalf" of all of us...Rest assured that if God forbid something horrible like this happened near me, I would be out searching, passing out fliers etc....I passed out fliers and had one in my car window..(the only one that I ever saw here in my area ) of Madeleine McCann...I was in 2 airports during the time that she  first went missing...O'Hare and also In Orlando and left fliers on the tables and in the bathrooms there...heck,,,ya have 2 hours to kill waiting for flights, might as well do something useful right? Anyway, it made me feel that I was doing something to help find her...she is still missing,but who knows,,,it only takes 1 person to see the fliers and to spark a memory of seeing that child..or any missing child...
carry on monkees with your truly good work of helping children...I am so touched by all of this, you can't imagine....
xxxxx


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 05, 2009, 11:11:48 AM
all of you  Monkees rock! what a bunch of sweet caring monkees there are here..
thanks to everyone in the area for doing your part on "behalf" of all of us...Rest assured that if God forbid something horrible like this happened near me, I would be out searching, passing out fliers etc....I passed out fliers and had one in my car window..(the only one that I ever saw here in my area ) of Madeleine McCann...I was in 2 airports during the time that she  first went missing...O'Hare and also In Orlando and left fliers on the tables and in the bathrooms there...heck,,,ya have 2 hours to kill waiting for flights, might as well do something useful right? Anyway, it made me feel that I was doing something to help find her...she is still missing,but who knows,,,it only takes 1 person to see the fliers and to spark a memory of seeing that child..or any missing child...
carry on monkees with your truly good work of helping children...I am so touched by all of this, you can't imagine....
xxxxx
That was great of you cookie  ::MonkeyWink::  You know, I know LE is saying there is no backpack/purse it is a shadow, I see something and it just doesn't seem like a shadow. My point is, maybe LE has a reason to say this to the public, she may very well have a pack of some kind, but they just want the public to believe she doesn't for some very good reason.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 05, 2009, 11:15:26 AM
at this point I am thinking they needed to explain why they waited on releasing it. Jennifer Kesse's case, a POI walking from her car video was held for a month, which was a huge mistake, imo.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 05, 2009, 11:17:48 AM
at this point I am thinking they needed to explain why they waited on releasing it. Jennifer Kesse's case, a POI walking from her car video was held for a month, which was a huge mistake, imo.
Yes, it was.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 05, 2009, 01:32:24 PM
Are the pressers different for the weekend?

It's not on right now  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 05, 2009, 02:31:36 PM
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17731/2268/

Day 9: Search Continues       
Written by TP staff     
Sunday, 05 April 2009 
 

Search-and-rescue crews are not taking a day of rest today in the search for 8-year-old Sandra Cantu, who disappeared March 27.

(http://tracypress.com/images/stories/April_2009/0404saturdayafternoonsearch3.jpg)
Members of the Santa Clara Search and Rescue team gather at the Byron Road and Grant Line Road intersection as they work on a plan to check the area during an afternoon search Saturday. Glenn Moore/Tracy Press


(http://tracypress.com/images/stories/April_2009/0404saturdayafternoonsearch1.jpg)
A member of the Santa Clara Search and Rescue team looks along Grant Line Road near Lammers Road Saturday. Glenn Moore/Tracy Press


(http://tracypress.com/images/stories/April_2009/0404saturdayafternoonsearch2.jpg)
A pair from the Santa Clara Search and Rescue team check a section of brush along Grant Line Road as teams worked into the afternoon Saturday. Glenn Moore/Tracy Press





 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 05, 2009, 02:44:06 PM
Thanks Klaas  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 05, 2009, 03:13:53 PM
all of you  Monkees rock! what a bunch of sweet caring monkees there are here..
thanks to everyone in the area for doing your part on "behalf" of all of us...Rest assured that if God forbid something horrible like this happened near me, I would be out searching, passing out fliers etc....I passed out fliers and had one in my car window..(the only one that I ever saw here in my area ) of Madeleine McCann...I was in 2 airports during the time that she  first went missing...O'Hare and also In Orlando and left fliers on the tables and in the bathrooms there...heck,,,ya have 2 hours to kill waiting for flights, might as well do something useful right? Anyway, it made me feel that I was doing something to help find her...she is still missing,but who knows,,,it only takes 1 person to see the fliers and to spark a memory of seeing that child..or any missing child...
carry on monkees with your truly good work of helping children...I am so touched by all of this, you can't imagine....
xxxxx
You are right about just one person seeing a flyer in a window or a picture on one of the shows. Shasta Groene was identified that way. Elizabeth Smart also benefitted from publicity.
In our malls here there are always the Missing Photos with details for the Canada wide missing. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 05, 2009, 03:17:06 PM
Didn't Sandra leave and then go back to the house and leave again ?
Maybe the backpack ( which I see also ) was from the first trip outside. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 05, 2009, 04:15:58 PM
Didn't Sandra leave and then go back to the house and leave again ?
Maybe the backpack ( which I see also ) was from the first trip outside. 
Yes, she did, that could be, that was the first trip outside, and also her flip flops are to big for her feet, maybe her mother's shoes?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Nut44x4 on April 05, 2009, 04:49:31 PM
Hope this hasn't already been posted.  This is a another vid of Sandra leaving on youtube.

To me it looks like she is wearing a backpack or a purse of something.  I heard LE said no.  It just doesn't look like a shadow to me.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1j5R-sVIRA

It's the same video but better quality and I agree she is wearing a backpack.  LE has said no, that it was a shadow but I disagree.
I agree.....she has a backpack or something... yep.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 05, 2009, 06:36:06 PM
Throwing this out there for the brainiacs on here who I wish I was more like..

What if:

We KNEW it was someone she trusted, hypothetically one of the three men we know about.

Police know that as well, and have searched the obvious areas in a case like this, associated with same.

We make the assumption that k9's have indicated she was in the properties that have been searched, but cadaver dogs have NOT hit there. ( I say this because if they had, that place would be on lockdown and they would be gutting it one by one. It is a very small area and if they had the kind of access they say, cadavers would not miss it, imo.

Therefore, if we assume that the blockade which has been from 6PM - 8PM, and not starting at 4PM, or 4:15 as the video is timestamped, should we assume there is a reason to believe we should be focusing on that 2 hour window?

Imo, I think that is critical. I think they know "who" but not "where" if that makes any sense.
Given the above, where can she be?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 05, 2009, 09:34:57 PM
Fox News just showed the video and said LE is calling it a missing persons case but not saying she was abducted. Also some bags were taken by LE from a neighbor's a few hours ago. Family saying her hair is light brown with blonde streaks, from the sun. LE searching waterways, nearby neighborhoods, etc.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 05, 2009, 09:39:27 PM
Fox News just showed the video and said LE is calling it a missing persons case but not saying she was abducted. Also some bags were taken by LE from a neighbor's a few hours ago. Family saying her hair is light brown with blonde streaks, from the sun. LE searching waterways, nearby neighborhoods, etc.


Thanks!  Looks like her hair gets lighter from the sun. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 05, 2009, 10:00:02 PM
Throwing this out there for the brainiacs on here who I wish I was more like..

What if:

We KNEW it was someone she trusted, hypothetically one of the three men we know about.

Police know that as well, and have searched the obvious areas in a case like this, associated with same.

We make the assumption that k9's have indicated she was in the properties that have been searched, but cadaver dogs have NOT hit there. ( I say this because if they had, that place would be on lockdown and they would be gutting it one by one. It is a very small area and if they had the kind of access they say, cadavers would not miss it, imo.

Therefore, if we assume that the blockade which has been from 6PM - 8PM, and not starting at 4PM, or 4:15 as the video is timestamped, should we assume there is a reason to believe we should be focusing on that 2 hour window?

Imo, I think that is critical. I think they know "who" but not "where" if that makes any sense.
Given the above, where can she be?
What I would like to know is where Slaytor was that Friday afternoon, early evening. What if he asked Sandra to go bowling, if we are to believe his wife that he takes her bowling, and that is how she went willingly with him? The thing that is bugging me the most is this Sinclair guy, and the cousins of his who live in Oakdale, what brought LE to that cousin's house?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 05, 2009, 10:02:06 PM
Fox News just showed the video and said LE is calling it a missing persons case but not saying she was abducted. Also some bags were taken by LE from a neighbor's a few hours ago. Family saying her hair is light brown with blonde streaks, from the sun. LE searching waterways, nearby neighborhoods, etc.


Thanks!  Looks like her hair gets lighter from the sun. 
It's hard for me to imagine it gets that much lighter by the sun, but I suppose dark hair can get lighter from the sun, mine never has...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 05, 2009, 10:15:30 PM
http://tracypress.com/content/view/17732/2268/

Day 9: No changes in case   
Written by TP staff     
Sunday, 05 April 2009 
 

Crews suspended their search-and-rescue work this afternoon, and volunteers appeared to take a break. But the investigation continues.


Sgt. Tony Sheneman at a press conference last week. Glenn Moore/Tracy PressThe search for Sandra Cantu, missing nine days now, got quiet this afternoon, as search-and-rescue crews went home and volunteers finished the task of swapping out old fliers with new ones all over town.

But Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman, speaking at today's press conference at City Hall, said that doesn't mean the investigation into 8-year-old Sandra's disappearance has died down. 

"We'll be working through the night on a couple of other things I can't talk about at the moment," he said. "We're still looking at a lot of people."

With no new search warrants, no arrests and no named "persons of interest," Sheneman said it may appear as though nothing is happening. In fact, he said, "In the last four days, we've had some of the best leads."

He did not offer any new information today, saying, "This is still categorized as a missing persons case," as opposed to an abduction, and, "Our concentration is still on finding Sandra." 

On Saturday, the police department released an 18-second clip from a surveillance video at Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, which shows Sandra skipping down the street on March 27, the day she was reported missing.

The release of the tape hasn't turn up any new leads, Sheneman said today.

The reward money for information leading to Sandra's whereabouts is at $26,000.

Anyone with tips is encouraged to call Tracy Crime Stoppers at 831-6847.
 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 05, 2009, 10:21:52 PM
Fox News just showed the video and said LE is calling it a missing persons case but not saying she was abducted. Also some bags were taken by LE from a neighbor's a few hours ago. Family saying her hair is light brown with blonde streaks, from the sun. LE searching waterways, nearby neighborhoods, etc.


Thanks!  Looks like her hair gets lighter from the sun. 
It's hard for me to imagine it gets that much lighter by the sun, but I suppose dark hair can get lighter from the sun, mine never has...

Yeah especially if you go swimming alot in a pool that has alot of chlorine in it, like the public pool would.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 05, 2009, 10:27:30 PM
snip from Klaas quote above article:

With no new search warrants, no arrests and no named "persons of interest," Sheneman said it may appear as though nothing is happening. In fact, he said, "In the last four days, we've had some of the best leads."

how does he know this? unless they are pretty sure about certain people ? or what happened to her?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 05, 2009, 11:04:48 PM
Hi all,
I am new to this forum, I am from Tracy and been monitoring this thread,  mind if I post my idea's? I will ask first before doing so.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 05, 2009, 11:07:17 PM
Hi all,
I am new to this forum, I am from Tracy and been monitoring this thread,  mind if I post my idea's? I will ask first before doing so.

Welcome Tracygirl!  We would love to hear your ideas!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 05, 2009, 11:08:37 PM
Tracygirl - have you lived in Tracy a long time? 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 05, 2009, 11:30:17 PM
I'm hoping to hear your ideas, Tracygirl!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: MuffyBee on April 05, 2009, 11:42:35 PM
Hi all,
I am new to this forum, I am from Tracy and been monitoring this thread,  mind if I post my idea's? I will ask first before doing so.

Hello and welcome to Scared Monkeys Tracygirl


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Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 06, 2009, 12:33:00 AM
Thanks for the welcome. I have lived in Tracy for about 6 or so years. It was asked what if she knew the person who she either left with or abducted her, yes I think she did. This is why.....

I am not sure where to start. The police department is sort of like the keystone cops, it is not unusual for them to go in the wrong direction with investigations. This investigation I fear is above their heads, glad the FBI is there, they need them.

From people I have spoken to in the park or others who have known this family the person of interest and the most obvious is the martial arts guy but people hesitate to say so. He is creepy is what people say about him.  I have never met him but from what I gather he sure sounds like it. However, he is also a respected business man in the area, been here for a long time. After the kiss the grandparents did report it but the police reportedly did nothing. This did not surprise me. Unless you live in the good parts of town you don't get the attention you should.

The area around the park is filled with drugs and crime, the police really do nothing to shut it down. There is a mix of people in that park from good to bad, from young to old. It is a community of sorts, people know one another, all of the kids play outside, especially on weekends. There is (was) a sense of safety since it was kind of closed off.

As far as the video, my take was she was walking to a designated place she was to meet someone, but was not supposed to meet or didn't' have permission to met or knew she shouldn't go with. I believe this because,

1. She first walks as if she was waiting around for someone she was expected to meet. she is jumping around, skipping and then shifts direction.
2. She didn't stop such as someone would do if she wasn't expecting someone to call out to her, she just changed directions sort of. Imagine you are walking down the street and someone in another direction calls out to you, you don't immediately go towards the voice  you stop and look, unless of course you are expecting it.
3. She looks back and then towards the direction of her home as if she was making sure no one saw her.
4. She was walking with a sense of determination and without hesitation such as anyone would do if you didn't know someone or didn't expect them.     

Now at this time of the day on that particular day we had a funeral procession going through our town for the officer who was killed in Oakland. The police were heavily involved in this, not too many officers were on the beat. Not sure if the fact this was happening had anything to with planning or not

We have had a stream of child porn arrests. Talk is, there is a ring or the hub is here in town.

 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 01:10:32 AM
Tracygirl - yes I believe she knows whoever took her. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: BluesyGram on April 06, 2009, 01:31:28 AM
Thanks for posting that info Tracygirl.  Very good observations BTW. 

It was reported that Sandra went home in between playing outside and she and her sisters (?) wanted to go to the movies but they didn't have enough money so she left again.

Perhaps she told one of her adult 'friends' that she really wanted to go see the movie and they told her to meet them (somewhere) and they would take her.  They probably made some excuse that they couldn't take the whole family....just her.  This would fit into the scenario of her not wanting anyone to see her 'meeting' someone.

Was hoping the searchers or LE, FBI, etc. would come up w/something this weekend.  Maybe they will be able to pin something down after they wade through all of the 'confiscated' evidence they have taken already.

Praying for her safe return.






 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 09:42:06 AM
Tracygirl Welcome, and thanks for your input.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 09:46:16 AM
I have a question that has been bothering me, it may be nothing, but who knows? The first pic released of Sandra she had thick dark hair, I believe I read that was her school pic, which is taken in Sept or Oct of the school year. Now her hair is thinner, and much lighter, supposedly lighter from the sun, okay. But how does thick hair become so much thinner, without it being thinned out? She just looks so much different to me from the first pic to the other pics.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 06, 2009, 09:51:14 AM
Thanks for posting that info Tracygirl.  Very good observations BTW. 

It was reported that Sandra went home in between playing outside and she and her sisters (?) wanted to go to the movies but they didn't have enough money so she left again.

Perhaps she told one of her adult 'friends' that she really wanted to go see the movie and they told her to meet them (somewhere) and they would take her.  They probably made some excuse that they couldn't take the whole family....just her.  This would fit into the scenario of her not wanting anyone to see her 'meeting' someone.

Was hoping the searchers or LE, FBI, etc. would come up w/something this weekend.  Maybe they will be able to pin something down after they wade through all of the 'confiscated' evidence they have taken already.

Praying for her safe return.


 

Very good theory there on the movie...

Welcome Tracy Girl...very interesting info....

...I am probably being naive...but miracles happen every day...if it was someone who had a lot of contact with her, I am hoping that they cared enough for her in their own perverted way not to take her life...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 06, 2009, 09:54:45 AM
I have a question that has been bothering me, it may be nothing, but who knows? The first pic released of Sandra she had thick dark hair, I believe I read that was her school pic, which is taken in Sept or Oct of the school year. Now her hair is thinner, and much lighter, supposedly lighter from the sun, okay. But how does thick hair become so much thinner, without it being thinned out? She just looks so much different to me from the first pic to the other pics.

I  know that hair does lighten up from chlorine and the sun...however, this child's hair looks like it has been chemically lightened to me...it is really, really lighter...not sure that would happen with her particular hair type just from the sun/chlorine...but who knows...?  Sun In may have been used ..? jmo 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 10:43:08 AM
I have a question that has been bothering me, it may be nothing, but who knows? The first pic released of Sandra she had thick dark hair, I believe I read that was her school pic, which is taken in Sept or Oct of the school year. Now her hair is thinner, and much lighter, supposedly lighter from the sun, okay. But how does thick hair become so much thinner, without it being thinned out? She just looks so much different to me from the first pic to the other pics.

I  know that hair does lighten up from chlorine and the sun...however, this child's hair looks like it has been chemically lightened to me...it is really, really lighter...not sure that would happen with her particular hair type just from the sun/chlorine...but who knows...?  Sun In may have been used ..? jmo 
That's it who knows? I'm going to drop it about her appearance being so different, but I just can't help thinking this is important.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 11:01:41 AM
   ::MonkeyEek::  http://cbs13.com/crime/tip.boat.sandra.2.977073.html


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 06, 2009, 11:10:54 AM
I have a question that has been bothering me, it may be nothing, but who knows? The first pic released of Sandra she had thick dark hair, I believe I read that was her school pic, which is taken in Sept or Oct of the school year. Now her hair is thinner, and much lighter, supposedly lighter from the sun, okay. But how does thick hair become so much thinner, without it being thinned out? She just looks so much different to me from the first pic to the other pics.

I  know that hair does lighten up from chlorine and the sun...however, this child's hair looks like it has been chemically lightened to me...it is really, really lighter...not sure that would happen with her particular hair type just from the sun/chlorine...but who knows...?  Sun In may have been used ..? jmo 
That's it who knows? I'm going to drop it about her appearance being so different, but I just can't help thinking this is important.  ::MonkeyEek::

well, it is important when searching for the child...some might be looking at one picture of her with dark hair while others maybe are looking for a child with light hair...the hair coloring is a drastic change in my opinion....when looking for a Hispanic child, you don't expect to see a blonde child would you?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 06, 2009, 11:50:25 AM
They're saying that the best leads they have gotten have come within the last 48 hrs.

All ground searches are called off.

This is per hubby watching the news this morning. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 06, 2009, 11:51:09 AM
They're saying that the best leads they have gotten have come within the last 48 hrs.

All ground searches are called off.

This is per hubby watching the news this morning. 

Yikes...what can this mean??


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 11:55:21 AM
They're saying that the best leads they have gotten have come within the last 48 hrs.

All ground searches are called off.

This is per hubby watching the news this morning. 

Yikes...what can this mean??
Thanks, I wonder?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 06, 2009, 12:03:33 PM
   ::MonkeyEek::  http://cbs13.com/crime/tip.boat.sandra.2.977073.html

I wouldnt say they did not follow up on that tip, I would say that is why they searched the Oakland residence and boat.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 12:08:17 PM
   ::MonkeyEek::  http://cbs13.com/crime/tip.boat.sandra.2.977073.html

I wouldnt say they did not follow up on that tip, I would say that is why they searched the Oakland residence and boat.
Which is a relative, cousin, I believe to Sinclair.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 06, 2009, 12:18:21 PM
   ::MonkeyEek::  http://cbs13.com/crime/tip.boat.sandra.2.977073.html

I wouldnt say they did not follow up on that tip, I would say that is why they searched the Oakland residence and boat.


That was Oakdale. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 06, 2009, 12:55:41 PM
Thank You, TacyGirl

  Is it possible the person of interest offered to take her to see the funeral procession ?
Like he sold it to her as a parade of police vehicles? ???
 She knowing she was not supposed to go anywhere with him because of the kiss and reprimand of her grand parents ? But she went anyway.. ? Being independent and sneaky ? After all she could not go to the movies ?
Was his vehicle witnessed at the procession on any video cams ?
That would be any store or Street light Traffic surveillance video as well as gas station video.
 Even many small businesses have video surveillance around there buildings.. Parking lots and back alleys..
 
I am also very familiar with the area as I have 2 grown children in Manteca and a daughter and her husband and 2 of my my grand kids in Modesto. So I have been through and around Tracy many times.. Your inside info is very interesting.




Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 06, 2009, 01:03:11 PM
I think the family just picked up the first picture they could find. I know there was a sense of panic when they realized her hair was lighter.

The police department not following a key lead would not be surprising to many people here. 

Did anyone watch the press conference with the police spokesman,  he stated, they are classifying it as a missing persons case rather then an abduction because they don't want to be proven wrong,? Why would that matter? 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 06, 2009, 01:30:20 PM
Thank You, TacyGirl

  Is it possible the person of interest offered to take her to see the funeral procession ?
Like he sold it to her as a parade of police vehicles? ???
 She knowing she was not supposed to go anywhere with him because of the kiss and reprimand of her grand parents ? But she went anyway.. ? Being independent and sneaky ? After all she could not go to the movies ?
Was his vehicle witnessed at the procession on any video cams ?
That would be any store or Street light Traffic surveillance video as well as gas station video.
 Even many small businesses have video surveillance around there buildings.. Parking lots and back alleys..
 
I am also very familiar with the area as I have 2 grown children in Manteca and a daughter and her husband and 2 of my my grand kids in Modesto. So I have been through and around Tracy many times.. Your inside info is very interesting.




The martial arts instructor leaves for his class at 4, it is said he was there at his studio by 4:15, the studio is 2 minutes away. Sandra went missing about this time they assume. It would not appear out of the norm for him to be driving out of the park at this time, it was routine. One neighbor across from Sandra states the instructor would pass Sandra's house on his way into the park although he lived on the street behind Sandra, several times per day. He witnessed the instructor stopping in front of her house and looking, he said about 3 weeks ago, the camera was installed about that time. It is also believed she may have been going to his house even though she was not supposed to, which can happen in a pedophilia situation. (hush, don't tell anyone, we can be special friends.)

http://cbs13.com/video/?cid=7 (http://cbs13.com/video/?cid=7)

What is your take to the mothers reaction when questioned about the martial arts instructor. You can go to it at 3:20

I am not sure if this all adds up, it makes a possible theory.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 06, 2009, 01:36:00 PM
I am really very disappointed.

Why have they stopped either doing the pressers or stopped covering them?  I just checked and they did a little blurb, but no presser. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 01:50:44 PM
Thank You, TacyGirl

  Is it possible the person of interest offered to take her to see the funeral procession ?
Like he sold it to her as a parade of police vehicles? ???
 She knowing she was not supposed to go anywhere with him because of the kiss and reprimand of her grand parents ? But she went anyway.. ? Being independent and sneaky ? After all she could not go to the movies ?
Was his vehicle witnessed at the procession on any video cams ?
That would be any store or Street light Traffic surveillance video as well as gas station video.
 Even many small businesses have video surveillance around there buildings.. Parking lots and back alleys..
 
I am also very familiar with the area as I have 2 grown children in Manteca and a daughter and her husband and 2 of my my grand kids in Modesto. So I have been through and around Tracy many times.. Your inside info is very interesting.




The martial arts instructor leaves for his class at 4, it is said he was there at his studio by 4:15, the studio is 2 minutes away. Sandra went missing about this time they assume. It would not appear out of the norm for him to be driving out of the park at this time, it was routine. One neighbor across from Sandra states the instructor would pass Sandra's house on his way into the park although he lived on the street behind Sandra, several times per day. He witnessed the instructor stopping in front of her house and looking, he said about 3 weeks ago, the camera was installed about that time. It is also believed she may have been going to his house even though she was not supposed to, which can happen in a pedophilia situation. (hush, don't tell anyone, we can be special friends.)

http://cbs13.com/video/?cid=7 (http://cbs13.com/video/?cid=7)

What is your take to the mothers reaction when questioned about the martial arts instructor. You can go to it at 3:20

I am not sure if this all adds up, it makes a possible theory.
I'm also wondering if maybe Sandra went with Sinclair to go bowling, perhaps?  Could you tell us what you think about the mother's reaction. I didn't see her talking about the martial arts instructor, she was just saying that she would not leave the park.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 06, 2009, 02:00:44 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/06/sandra-cantu-c…ed-for-suspectsandra-cantu-case-is-poi-headed-for-suspect/

New Blink on Crime Post: Is the POI headed to Suspect?


Guys, I feel like this case is very close. Personally, I do not think Wohler is the perp. He's a perv, and he needs to be looked at very closely, but I dont think he is involved in her disappearance.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 06, 2009, 02:03:57 PM
She is only 8 years old...

There is no doubt he could have gotten her into his car by promise or something that she wanted.. "Appealing to what a child wants or desires" Like going to the movies..

My friend is going to the movies and they will pay for you to go and I will pick you up after my class.. She hides in his car..
His intention.. He sells her.. Or trades her off to others...   
 He drops he off with a Goblin that takes her elsewhere... No trace..


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 06, 2009, 02:14:38 PM
The video is not linking correctly. Please see the interview with the mom, I think it says web exclusive. This question is about 3:20 into the video. You should take the time to watch the entire interview.
http://cbs13.com/video/?cid=7

She is questioned prior to this about the alleged persons of interest. She stated Sandra didn't know them well, was not allowed to leave with them, then the reporter shifts to directly asking about the martial arts instructor. To me her reaction was one of interest because her body language and facial expression changes. She shifts a bit showing she became uncomfortable, why? Also if you notice the person sitting with her, moves her arm away rather then comforting her, that I found strange. The statement, "I don't know anything about that, I wasn't there", I question. The grandparents made it a point to go to the police station after the report was given to follow up, how could the mom not know anything about it?  It just didn't seem right and was a bit off. Maybe though she is checked out of the children's lives?


Someone told me it is suspected Sinclare was at a mistresses home that is why the alibi didn't add up causing the reaction of 9 or 10 cars. I don't know if that is true, it is a local rumor. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 06, 2009, 02:14:53 PM
I can or anyone can develop a scenario for how it may have gone..
It does not make it so..

Somehow this little girl left the trailer park.. For reasons unknown. Probably not good.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 02:17:24 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/06/sandra-cantu-c…ed-for-suspectsandra-cantu-case-is-poi-headed-for-suspect/

New Blink on Crime Post: Is the POI headed to Suspect?


Guys, I feel like this case is very close. Personally, I do not think Wohler is the perp. He's a perv, and he needs to be looked at very closely, but I dont think he is involved in her disappearance.
Wow, thanks, my personal feeling is she went with Slayter, I'm wondering if he asked her to go bowling with him? I guess I should stop saying this about the bowling, it is just a feeling, since she went with him in the past to bowl.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 02:19:37 PM
The video is not linking correctly. Please see the interview with the mom, I think it says web exclusive. This question is about 3:20 into the video. You should take the time to watch the entire interview.
http://cbs13.com/video/?cid=7

She is questioned prior to this about the alleged persons of interest. She stated Sandra didn't know them well, was not allowed to leave with them, then the reporter shifts to directly asking about the martial arts instructor. To me her reaction was one of interest because her body language and facial expression changes. She shifts a bit showing she became uncomfortable, why? Also if you notice the person sitting with her, moves her arm away rather then comforting her, that I found strange. The statement, "I don't know anything about that, I wasn't there", I question. The grandparents made it a point to go to the police station after the report was given to follow up, how could the mom not know anything about it?  It just didn't seem right and was a bit off. Maybe though she is checked out of the children's lives?


Someone told me it is suspected Sinclare was at a mistresses home that is why the alibi didn't add up causing the reaction of 9 or 10 cars. I don't know if that is true, it is a local rumor. 
Thanks, very strange indeed, how could the mom not know?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 06, 2009, 02:20:50 PM
I can or anyone can develop a scenario for how it may have gone..
It does not make it so..

Somehow this little girl left the trailer park.. For reasons unknown. Probably not good.



That is what is so frustrating to many of us in this town. A story CAN be built for any number of people. I am hoping and praying the police are holding something back and ARE close to finding her. 



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 02:28:59 PM
I can or anyone can develop a scenario for how it may have gone..
It does not make it so..

Somehow this little girl left the trailer park.. For reasons unknown. Probably not good.



Exactly Edward.  Or she's still in the park unable to speak.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 06, 2009, 02:31:45 PM
Tracy

I just watched the full video.. Mom lives an hour away and had no prior knowledge of the kissing incident.
She has no confronted the male suspect about the kissing..
The child lives with the grandparent and it took mom 1 hour to drive there.. ??
Who's mom is the grandparent ? Dads or Moms ?

I would have had to peal off Any one of my 3 wives from ripping this males face off, if that had ever happened to any one of my 6 children.. He would need far more then self defense to protect himself..  ::MonkeyWink::

Yes I find her reaction odd.. Also the fact that she has just been sitting at home crying the whole time..

I would think she would be heading up search and kill the bad guy efforts..
But that is just me.

Thank you for that link to the interview..




Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 06, 2009, 02:32:47 PM
I can or anyone can develop a scenario for how it may have gone..
It does not make it so..

Somehow this little girl left the trailer park.. For reasons unknown. Probably not good.



Exactly Edward.  Or she's still in the park unable to speak.

Scary thought but True.. She could be tied up in a closet.. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 02:32:55 PM
Hi Monkeys,

I am happy to see " TracyGirl" has joined SM. I hope you keep posting here TG.
I wanted to make some comments. In regards to Sandra's Hair. Her photo " school photo" with the hair apparently darker. I recall when my Daughter had her Kindergarten photo taken for school. She was very upset, she said Mamma my hair looks black. Her hair was not dark at all. It was more the color of Sandra's hair in the other photo's. I think it was the all the backdrops and such that they Add " after" your photo is taken. It creates a filter of sorts onto the original photo. They can change the back ground by adding trees, or woodsy scene etc..  That and my daughters hair was always changing colors in the sun. Her father being Very Italian with Jet Black hair ... yet he was born a Toe head. White pure white hair. So I can see how Sandra's hair changes in shades. Its pretty common. My hair as well is very dark brunette, I went to Florida for 2 weeks and my hair was very blond hyper highlighted ...none of my friends recognized me. They said I had to have used Bleach or " Sun In" nope ... nothing.

** The Funeral precession for the local Police Officer. That would be public news. That everyone in the community would know of this funeral. That would indeed tie up the majority of Law Enforcement in the area. All Eyes would be centered on the Town being blocked up and what not. Not to mention no one would be able to get to point A - Point B through the traffic ... I recall in my local area a few years back ..same thing here, 2 officers were killed and the funeral precession went on for my miles. Anyone who wanted to add their vehicle could. That and people were standing at attention and watching curbside with chairs..holding American Flags... It was unbelievable.
This Funeral Precession would have been in the News I would think  .. the time it started, what streets would be involved etc.... I am sure many people used Video camera's on their cell phones .. and camera's themselves. I would hope that people would look back at their videos and Look hard for Sandra... within them. Or anything out of the ordinary.
We had years back a Shooting at one of our local Ford Plants. Every LE was there Tri-County. I recall being let out of work early to get my Daughter. Her school was in that area. Took me 4 hours to get to her school, due to they shut down the main highway ..which led to the Plant entrance. When I finally reached her, My Landlord of my Apts was there picking up his children. He said Do you live on the Top floor or Bottom Floor. I thought the question strange ?? I said Top. He says Oh Good because the Majority of the bottom floor apartments have been looted .. due to All the Police, City, State and County are at the Ford Plant.  Nice Huh. I was shocked. He said Me too. He said most of the Looters Live in the Apts ..can you believe that. GAWD. Good Old Neighbors.
Now this was not a planned event - this shooting. My point is though .. being that this Funeral was planned and known by all - And All LE were involved in this Funeral it would be perfect timing for someone that was up to no good to Do something illegal.

Blinks last post- Something struck me. The White Isuzu's. That both men " POI"s own the same vehicle. It is known here in Detroit that people who belong in Gangs .. drive the same Make/Model/Color ... they chose a color that stands out, or a vehicle that is indifferent ..that's how they roll on the streets .. they know each other by their vehicles. Its no different than Motorcycles ..you know. Its just Cars and or Trucks same same. They patrol each other around and are in the same social circles. Things that make you wonder.
** Blink your doing a Great Job
** Spring Thank you for all your Doing.
K









 

 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 06, 2009, 02:34:07 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/06/sandra-cantu-c…ed-for-suspectsandra-cantu-case-is-poi-headed-for-suspect/

New Blink on Crime Post: Is the POI headed to Suspect?


Guys, I feel like this case is very close. Personally, I do not think Wohler is the perp. He's a perv, and he needs to be looked at very closely, but I dont think he is involved in her disappearance.

Wow! Interesting article! I am glad to read of your opinion regarding Martial Arts Instructor. I am hoping he is not involved. He has been around too many children. I agree his behavior needs to be examined.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 02:41:02 PM
Deenie, thanks for the info about the hair color, I figured I was thinking way to much on the hair.  Also, now I'm very confused, are we saying the mother was an hour away from the park, because of work, or an hour away, because she lives an hour away? I thought the mother, grandparents, and children all lived together  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 06, 2009, 02:42:42 PM
Tracy

I just watched the full video.. Mom lives an hour away and had no prior knowledge of the kissing incident.
She has no confronted the male suspect about the kissing..
The child lives with the grandparent and it took mom 1 hour to drive there.. ??
Who's mom is the grandparent ? Dads or Moms ?

I would have had to peal off Any one of my 3 wives from ripping this males face off, if that had ever happened to any one of my 6 children.. He would need far more then self defense to protect himself..  ::MonkeyWink::

Yes I find her reaction odd.. Also the fact that she has just been sitting at home crying the whole time..

I would think she would be heading up search and kill the bad guy efforts..
But that is just me.

Thank you for that link to the interview..




Ok all of my contacts know nothing! Are you sure the mom doesn't live with the kids? I was told she did and the grandparents are her parents.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 06, 2009, 02:48:06 PM
Sorry my comment could come off with an attitude if you read it that way, it was not meant that way. You have to understand in this town right now there are many different stories coming out of this park. It is very frustrating.

I think as a mother I would have made the news already by going after each and every one of the men. Mothers have ways of making people talk, if you know what I mean ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 02:49:42 PM
Deenie, thanks for the info about the hair color, I figured I was thinking way to much on the hair.  Also, now I'm very confused, are we saying the mother was an hour away from the park, because of work, or an hour away, because she lives an hour away? I thought the mother, grandparents, and children all lived together  ::MonkeyConfused::
Remember No Rose I had said in a previous post that Mom seemed to speak as if they were a " Disconnected Family" ... that I questioned it myself. Did they all live together? Mom on the interview ... I have to find the Link...I have to find it.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 02:59:34 PM
Not the video I was looking for - but this is Mike Brooks interviewing the Aunt
And a Doc giving his Opinion on Who would have been involved in her Disappearance.
Someone she knew ...

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2009/04/03/ng.ca.girl.missing.cnn.html


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 06, 2009, 03:01:58 PM
Tracygirl

In that video 2:14 ..Am I misunderstanding her "mom" ?
"It takes about an hour from where I live ?"
The interviewer is talking and she is crying..


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 06, 2009, 03:06:19 PM
I truly hate to say this, but I believe she is in only one of two places:
Inside the MHP in an environment that would mask/contain cadaver scent someway, I will out of respect not list those possibilities.
or
She is in a container or other means of concealment in the water.

Slayter has my hinky on red alert. I wonder if the disabled son called LE on the Dad or vice versa? This crap infuriates me, this poor baby. If I was local or was this child's Mother I would park my Azz in a chair in front of this guy's trailer and watch every single scintilla of activity so they could see my face. Sick.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 06, 2009, 03:07:44 PM
Sorry my comment could come off with an attitude if you read it that way, it was not meant that way. You have to understand in this town right now there are many different stories coming out of this park. It is very frustrating.

I think as a mother I would have made the news already by going after each and every one of the men. Mothers have ways of making people talk, if you know what I mean ::MonkeyWink::

You got that sister. I am positive they have plain clothes and regular officers on site.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 06, 2009, 03:08:43 PM
Tracygirl

In that video 2:14 ..Am I misunderstanding her "mom" ?
"It takes about an hour from where I live ?"
The interviewer is talking and she is crying..

I hear she says she got worried when she didn't come home for dinner and she didnt' call. she says she went out to look then said it takes about an hour where I live. I took that as it takes about an hour to go around the park.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 03:10:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/JxfPOPBgkLQ&hl=en&fs=1&border=1

Interview with Mom
Mom explains it took her an Hour to look for her when she did not come home for dinner.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 03:11:09 PM
Not the video I was looking for - but this is Mike Brooks interviewing the Aunt
And a Doc giving his Opinion on Who would have been involved in her Disappearance.
Someone she knew ...

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2009/04/03/ng.ca.girl.missing.cnn.html
Thank-you  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 03:16:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/JxfPOPBgkLQ&hl=en&fs=1&border=1

Interview with Mom
Mom explains it took her an Hour to look for her when she did not come home for dinner.


Thanks, so she said it took her an hour from where she lives, to go look for her. So did Sandra call her on the phone to ask her mother to go out and play, I don't get this. Why would Sandra not ask her grandparents if she could go out and play?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 03:27:43 PM
I know I cannot put myself into the Shoe's of Sandra's Mom. I know this.
But she this entire time has struck me funny. Again Not saying Mom is involved. Just watching her on this video .. that I just posted " The Interview"
She seems so Naive and maybe a bit " off" from reality. Maybe it's not her at all.

Maybe its Motherly instincts becoming aggravated by Everything. Like I said before I cannot sit behind my screen and Beat Up the Mother.
She seems so oblivious. That and her Comments about Frank who Kissed her Daughter on the Mouth .. not much of a reaction. That and I truly Do not believe that " MOM" knew who Sandra befriended in the Park or what her Daughter did after she left the house. She is 8 yrs old for god sakes. Just blows my mind. That you entrust the instincts of an 8 year old playing alone outdoors .. for hours unsupervised.
When it seems that the Slaytor's knew Sandra very well. She helped us all the time, she was inside our house all the time.. we took her places ... OH Come on now.
Who is the Adult in Charge here. MOM or everyone else that lived next door.

And yet not one time on any video does MOM state oh yes the Slaytors were always good to Sandra ..they were a support system for her when I was not available. She /Mom seems so " out there" ... I am sorry it just upsets me so.

That and the reporter asking her - Have you spoke to these Men who are of interest ? No she says ... What have you been doing? Nothing ..just staying inside and Crying.
Mom seems to believe that LE is in Charge. Mom's backbone is not very thick.

You could not keep me from Walking Every Street and Pounding Every Door .. From Sun Up to Sun Down if my Baby was Missing. Forget LE. I would be on a Relentless Mission.. and No One could stop me.  Natalie's Mom .. I would be .. yet in my own back yard.







Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 03:30:50 PM
There was an interview that Mom says Sandra did not have a Cell phone. But she would call me... if she was not coming home.

SO Where did SANDRA Call Mom from ...when SANDRA was Out and About .. the Corner payphone? An 8 yr old ..
This Mom peeves me off. Must have Been Someone's House she would use a Telephone.
Now Slaytor's say " Sandra" did not have many Child friends in the Park.. So they Stepped in .. AHH.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 06, 2009, 03:31:42 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/06/sandra-cantu-c…rrigation-pondsandra-cantu-case-sealed-container-found-in-irrigation-pond/

O Dear. Not good.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 06, 2009, 03:36:08 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/06/sandra-cantu-c…rrigation-pondsandra-cantu-case-sealed-container-found-in-irrigation-pond/

O Dear. Not good.

Yep just came on to post this. Oh my god, please don't let this be her...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 03:38:14 PM
NEW BLINK POST - BREAKING NEWS:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/06/sandra-cantu-case-sealed-container-found-in-irrigation-pond/

Sandra Cantu Case: SEALED CONTAINER FOUND IN IRRIGATION POND


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 06, 2009, 03:42:28 PM
Klaas, can you AIM?

Just wanted to clarify that although I put on here earlier a few posts back that I felt she was a possibly in water in a container, I did not have inside info I was holding out on, fyi, just based on my experience is this kind of case.

Praying for Sandra


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 03:45:05 PM
NEW BLINK POST - BREAKING NEWS:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/06/sandra-cantu-case-sealed-container-found-in-irrigation-pond/

Sandra Cantu Case: SEALED CONTAINER FOUND IN IRRIGATION POND


http://tracypress.com/content/view/17734/2268/

Farmer finds suspicious container       
Written by TP staff     
Monday, 06 April 2009 
 

Police investigating the disappearance of 8-year-old Sandra Cantu are examining a container found by a farmer in a north Tracy irrigation pond after it was drained. Story to come.



 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 03:46:07 PM
Mom interviewed on NBC ..
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/29970509#29970509
Mom says I thought it was safe over there ... " that's where I picked up MOM being disconnected from reality .. even though her Dad/Grandfather put up a camera on the side of the house. And as you can see in many of the video snipps round the Park people have Bars on their Doors .. to keep intruders out.

Snipped from Greta http://www.findinternettv.com/Video,item,608353357.aspx
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: News is developing right now out of California. The disappearance of an 8-year-old, Sandra Cantu. Police have two persons of interest, the 8-year-old last seen on a surveillance tape Friday afternoon about 4:00 PM.

Joining us by phone is Lieutenant Jeremy Watney from the Tracy Police Department. Good evening, Lieutenant. And the two persons of interest, why are they of interest?

LT. JEREMY WATNEY, TRACY POLICE DEPARTMENT: They were named in the search warrant, and unfortunately, due to the investigation, I can't get into the specifics. Out in California, when we serve a search warrant, a judge has 10 days to decide whether he's going to allow the contents of that search warrant to be released or if he's going to seal it. So if I start getting into specifics of the search warrant, the judge tends to get mad at me about that.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Understand. OK, Lieutenant, so on Friday she returns home about 4:00 o'clock with a friend, goes into the house. Do you know how long she was in that mobile home?

WATNEY: She actually didn't return home with a friend. She returned from a friend's home just a little bit before 4:00, and then just a couple minutes after 4:00, she left. So she was probably in the mobile home less than five minutes.

VAN SUSTEREN: When she left that friend, did she say she was only going home or did she say she was going on to another destination, just stopping in at home for a moment?

WATNEY: No, she said she was going home to do some homework.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Inside the home was her mother, right, the mobile home, when she arrived home? I don't know if they saw each other, but was her mother home?

WATNEY: Yes, she was.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did her mother hear her come in or talk to her or see her?

WATNEY: She didn't talk to her. She did hear her come into the mobile home, yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did she -- what has she said about the short time the child was there?

WATNEY: In that mobile home park, the kids are always out and playing. I mean, they're everywhere when you go to that mobile home park. So it's not -- it would not have been unusual for her to come home, you know, grab something and then leave and go out and play. So nothing struck Mom as unusual about what she was doing.

VAN SUSTEREN: Except for the oddities that she had told the friend that she was going home to do homework. She goes in the house, but the mother says she's only there a short time and she leaves, obviously not doing homework. So there's some disconnect there.

WATNEY: Oh, absolutely. And that's what we're trying to find out, what happened in between the friend's house and then coming home, because, obviously, probably her true intention was to go home and do homework. So we're trying to piece together what happened, you know, between the friend's house and the trailer and then when she left the trailer.

VAN SUSTEREN: She have a cell phone?

WATNEY: No, she doesn't.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 03:46:27 PM
Klaas, can you AIM?

Just wanted to clarify that although I put on here earlier a few posts back that I felt she was a possibly in water in a container, I did not have inside info I was holding out on, fyi, just based on my experience is this kind of case.

Praying for Sandra

Yes, I had computer problems earlier today and forgot to sign back on to AIM.  I'm on now but you aren't.  I did post on the front page of SM though, both articles.

I'm also praying for Sandra. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 03:52:36 PM
Klaas, can you AIM?

Just wanted to clarify that although I put on here earlier a few posts back that I felt she was a possibly in water in a container, I did not have inside info I was holding out on, fyi, just based on my experience is this kind of case.

Praying for Sandra

Yes, I had computer problems earlier today and forgot to sign back on to AIM.  I'm on now but you aren't.  I did post on the front page of SM though, both articles.

I'm also praying for Sandra. 

Klaas Vid about Container found
http://www.kcra.com/video/19108248/index.html


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 03:54:36 PM
I truly hate to say this, but I believe she is in only one of two places:
Inside the MHP in an environment that would mask/contain cadaver scent someway, I will out of respect not list those possibilities.
or
She is in a container or other means of concealment in the water.

Slayter has my hinky on red alert. I wonder if the disabled son called LE on the Dad or vice versa? This crap infuriates me, this poor baby. If I was local or was this child's Mother I would park my Azz in a chair in front of this guy's trailer and watch every single scintilla of activity so they could see my face. Sick.
Slayter is the one that has me on high alert. Somehow I missed this, how old is the disabled son? Sandra going to their home several times a week to play games and bowling.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 04:00:37 PM
I truly hate to say this, but I believe she is in only one of two places:
Inside the MHP in an environment that would mask/contain cadaver scent someway, I will out of respect not list those possibilities.
or
She is in a container or other means of concealment in the water.

Slayter has my hinky on red alert. I wonder if the disabled son called LE on the Dad or vice versa? This crap infuriates me, this poor baby. If I was local or was this child's Mother I would park my Azz in a chair in front of this guy's trailer and watch every single scintilla of activity so they could see my face. Sick.
Slayter is the one that has me on high alert. Somehow I missed this, how old is the disabled son? Sandra going to their home several times a week to play games and bowling.
I know nothing about the Son of the Slaytor's ...But No Rose don't you think that " IF" the Slaytor's were neighbors that were known to Sandra's Mother as Good People ..wouldn't she herself and or a representative speaking for Her ... Say the Slaytor's meant Sandra no harm and were trusted " To Clear their Name" so to speak.
Red Flags Rose .. All of us I believe agree .. somethings not right ..


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 06, 2009, 04:01:37 PM
I truly hate to say this, but I believe she is in only one of two places:
Inside the MHP in an environment that would mask/contain cadaver scent someway, I will out of respect not list those possibilities.
or
She is in a container or other means of concealment in the water.

Slayter has my hinky on red alert. I wonder if the disabled son called LE on the Dad or vice versa? This crap infuriates me, this poor baby. If I was local or was this child's Mother I would park my Azz in a chair in front of this guy's trailer and watch every single scintilla of activity so they could see my face. Sick.
Slayter is the one that has me on high alert. Somehow I missed this, how old is the disabled son? Sandra going to their home several times a week to play games and bowling.

Justin, 20's, lived with him in #61, some kind of snake charmer person. I did not write about him because he is said to be disabled and I cant confirm what his disability is.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 06, 2009, 04:05:37 PM
The mood here is of much concern. Many people are worried this is the news we didn't want. We read this was threatened at one time to Kyle, the teen who was tortured for 18 months. They said he would be placed into a container and thrown into the delta....My phone has rang several times already. Everyone asking the same question, why wait until 3:30. Many assuming they need to notify family first.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 06, 2009, 04:06:32 PM
If it is the same crops as we have here, those irrigation ditches just recently got filled  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 06, 2009, 04:07:23 PM
Would the infrared now pick up on that from the air?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 04:08:53 PM
NEW BLINK POST - BREAKING NEWS:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/06/sandra-cantu-case-sealed-container-found-in-irrigation-pond/

Sandra Cantu Case: SEALED CONTAINER FOUND IN IRRIGATION POND

Thank-you, oh dear Lord I sure hope not, will be waiting for updates.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 04:11:55 PM
Snakes, Spiders .. Kids parties ..  I hate snakes ....
Sandra same last name as Justin - same address online and Member of his Hi5
http://www.freewebs.com/sjsexotics/otherservices.htm


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 04:12:33 PM
Snakes, Spiders .. Kids parties ..  I hate snakes ....
Sandra Sheena same last name as Justin - same address online and Member of his Hi5 - sorry my oops .. I have Sandra on my Mind
http://www.freewebs.com/sjsexotics/otherservices.htm


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 06, 2009, 04:12:57 PM
Sorry!  Typo

Would the infrared not pick up on that from the air?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 04:16:21 PM
I truly hate to say this, but I believe she is in only one of two places:
Inside the MHP in an environment that would mask/contain cadaver scent someway, I will out of respect not list those possibilities.
or
She is in a container or other means of concealment in the water.

Slayter has my hinky on red alert. I wonder if the disabled son called LE on the Dad or vice versa? This crap infuriates me, this poor baby. If I was local or was this child's Mother I would park my Azz in a chair in front of this guy's trailer and watch every single scintilla of activity so they could see my face. Sick.
Slayter is the one that has me on high alert. Somehow I missed this, how old is the disabled son? Sandra going to their home several times a week to play games and bowling.
I know nothing about the Son of the Slaytor's ...But No Rose don't you think that " IF" the Slaytor's were neighbors that were known to Sandra's Mother as Good People ..wouldn't she herself and or a representative speaking for Her ... Say the Slaytor's meant Sandra no harm and were trusted " To Clear their Name" so to speak.
Red Flags Rose .. All of us I believe agree .. somethings not right ..

Could the mother have a drug problem or alcohol problem, and maybe that's why the grandparents live with them? Something isn't right with the mom, maybe she is heavily sedated from the doctor, I know I would have to be. Maybe she has issues, that interferred with the care of the children. Just trying to make sense of this.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 04:17:16 PM
I truly hate to say this, but I believe she is in only one of two places:
Inside the MHP in an environment that would mask/contain cadaver scent someway, I will out of respect not list those possibilities.
or
She is in a container or other means of concealment in the water.

Slayter has my hinky on red alert. I wonder if the disabled son called LE on the Dad or vice versa? This crap infuriates me, this poor baby. If I was local or was this child's Mother I would park my Azz in a chair in front of this guy's trailer and watch every single scintilla of activity so they could see my face. Sick.
Slayter is the one that has me on high alert. Somehow I missed this, how old is the disabled son? Sandra going to their home several times a week to play games and bowling.

Justin, 20's, lived with him in #61, some kind of snake charmer person. I did not write about him because he is said to be disabled and I cant confirm what his disability is.
Thank-you, a snake charmer  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 04:17:59 PM
http://www.kcra.com/news/19107764/detail.html

Sealed Container Probed In Cantu's Disappearance
Tracy Girl Disappeared March 27

POSTED: 11:38 am PDT April 6, 2009
UPDATED: 12:44 pm PDT April 6, 2009



 


SAN JOAQUIN COUNTY, Calif. -- A sealed container was found Monday in a San Joaquin County irrigation ditch, and investigators haven't ruled out the possibility that it could be related to the disappearance of Sandra Cantu.

Video: Police Offer Details About Discovery

Video: Container Probed In Cantu's Disappearance

San Joaquin Sheriff's Department spokesman Les Garcia said the container is considered a suspicious item.

Cantu, 8, disappeared March 27 from a Tracy mobile home park.


A farming operation found the container Monday morning while draining an irrigation ditch by Bacchetti Road.

Tracy police spokesman Sgt. Tony Sheneman said he doesn't know how big the container is, but he noted it's unusual for a container to show up in an irrigation ditch.

Police will hold a 3:30 p.m. media update about the case.

(http://www.kcra.com/2009/0406/19108581_480X360.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/bracchetird.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/CloverBacchetti6min.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/suitcase.jpg)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 04:18:26 PM
The mood here is of much concern. Many people are worried this is the news we didn't want. We read this was threatened at one time to Kyle, the teen who was tortured for 18 months. They said he would be placed into a container and thrown into the delta....My phone has rang several times already. Everyone asking the same question, why wait until 3:30. Many assuming they need to notify family first.
I didn't know that about the poor boy Kyle, OMG.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 04:20:49 PM
Snakes, Spiders .. Kids parties ..  I hate snakes ....
Sandra same last name as Justin - same address online and Member of his Hi5
http://www.freewebs.com/sjsexotics/otherservices.htm
Thanks, I got freaked out just looking at the website, I hate snakes also.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 04:22:01 PM
Sorry!  Typo

Would the infrared not pick up on that from the air?
Great question, I don't know, hoping someone does.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Maven on April 06, 2009, 04:22:18 PM
Thanks Klass! I had just read a container had been found, came here to see if you guys knew anything more. Oh I hope it's not related to Sandra's case.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 04:24:01 PM
There are a couple videos at that link I just posted.  They are saying it's a black container.  Waiting on the FBI to arrive.  Lot's of action.  They are keeping the press about a mile away.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 04:24:17 PM
Thanks for the pictures and the distance from Sandra's home.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 06, 2009, 04:24:17 PM
Sorry I was wrong and how thought I had herd moms words..
Looks like she says it takes an hour to walk around the trailer park.. But the interviewer cuts her off before she can finish..
I thought "when I listened to it " That she said it takes an hour to get there..
Everyone in my office disagrees..
 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 04:25:15 PM
Sorry I was wrong and how thought I had herd moms words..
Looks like she says it takes an hour to walk around the trailer park.. But the interviewer cuts her off before she can finish..
I thought "when I listened to it " That she said it takes an hour to get there..
Everyone in my office disagrees..
 
It sounded to me as well that she lived an hour away.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 06, 2009, 04:26:18 PM
Its a Damn suitcase. I cant take it


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 04:31:02 PM
The mood here is of much concern. Many people are worried this is the news we didn't want. We read this was threatened at one time to Kyle, the teen who was tortured for 18 months. They said he would be placed into a container and thrown into the delta....My phone has rang several times already. Everyone asking the same question, why wait until 3:30. Many assuming they need to notify family first.
I didn't know that about the poor boy Kyle, OMG.
Rose you remember he was the one that was shackled to the Bathtub/tortured by his so called guardians.. that ran away and was found his way to the local health club for Help ... that is the same teen "Kyle".


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 06, 2009, 04:33:43 PM
Its a Damn suitcase. I cant take it


Are you being serious? Did someone tell you that?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 04:34:30 PM
I came over in the middle of going over discovery released in Caylee's case to say Im praying but scared...just saw the HLN just in a few minutes ago.   Huggs to everyone here


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 04:34:52 PM
says its Live Video Streaming .. not sure it is really live ..
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=6747565

the area being searched .. right now



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 04:38:41 PM
Looks like it could be a suitcase that folds over:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/suitcase2-1.jpg)


(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41WZSSCJ6WL._AA400_.jpg)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 06, 2009, 04:40:06 PM
Thanks Klaas for your brilliant work on the images


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 04:40:09 PM
Its a Damn suitcase. I cant take it


Are you being serious? Did someone tell you that?

Black Suitcase Shown
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=6747604


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 06, 2009, 04:41:00 PM
I came over in the middle of going over discovery released in Caylee's case to say Im praying but scared...just saw the HLN just in a few minutes ago.   Huggs to everyone here

Thanks Capp. I believe it is her.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 04:42:58 PM
Looks like it could be a suitcase that folds over:

(http://http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/suitcase2-1.jpg)

looks like a garment bag


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 06, 2009, 04:45:17 PM
Looks like it could be a suitcase that folds over:

(http://http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/suitcase2-1.jpg)

looks like a garment bag

She was pretty small, only 45 inches. I suppose you could put a little kid in one?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 04:45:32 PM
Looks like it could be a suitcase that folds over:

(http://http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/suitcase2-1.jpg)

looks like a garment bag
It does doesn't it Leroy .. oh my god .. I pray its not her inside.. whew tears ..


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 04:45:40 PM
coming up on HLN...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 06, 2009, 04:45:59 PM
I came over in the middle of going over discovery released in Caylee's case to say Im praying but scared...just saw the HLN just in a few minutes ago.   Huggs to everyone here

Thanks Capp. I believe it is her.

I am afraid it is too...just a horrible feeling.  Prayers for everyone involved.

Dear Lord, if it is her, I pray there is enough evidence to lead the Authorities to the monster who did this.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: mizjay on April 06, 2009, 04:48:28 PM
I came over in the middle of going over discovery released in Caylee's case to say Im praying but scared...just saw the HLN just in a few minutes ago.   Huggs to everyone here

Thanks Capp. I believe it is her.

I am afraid it is too...just a horrible feeling.  Prayers for everyone involved.

Dear Lord, if it is her, I pray there is enough evidence to lead the Authorities to the monster who did this.
   
        My thoughts also, amen to the prayer


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: theboyzmom on April 06, 2009, 04:52:36 PM
I came over in the middle of going over discovery released in Caylee's case to say Im praying but scared...just saw the HLN just in a few minutes ago.   Huggs to everyone here

Thanks Capp. I believe it is her.

I am afraid it is too...just a horrible feeling.  Prayers for everyone involved.

Dear Lord, if it is her, I pray there is enough evidence to lead the Authorities to the monster who did this.
   
        My thoughts also, amen to the prayer

I just watched the HLN report about it - I am also afraid it is her. Poor little thing.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A's Fever on April 06, 2009, 04:55:34 PM
Just saw the news - oh please let this not be her!  Such a happy little girl, I so want her to come home safely.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 04:56:37 PM
Thanks Klaas for your brilliant work on the images
I want to thank-you as well.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 04:57:25 PM
Press conference at 3:30


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 04:58:11 PM
Press conference at 3:30
Thanks


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 06, 2009, 04:59:23 PM
Holding this child up to God in prayers. . . .


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 05:03:27 PM
BLOCKED WEBSITE


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 05:06:29 PM
Thanks, Leroy.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 05:09:14 PM
Just saw the news - oh please let this not be her!  Such a happy little girl, I so want her to come home safely.
My house is so quiet right now .. you could hear a pin drop. My energy has went from Angry/frustrated beyond to ..completely blank with them finding this Bag .. I just said a Prayer for Sandra. If this is her body in this bag .. oh cant barely type it.
I hope who ever is responsible for hurting this precious little girl .. Is Found.

* We all have to know that No one just wakes up one day and says I am going to take someone's child and hurt them. This is a person who plotted and planned this and I am sure of it ..was Someone that Sandra befriended and felt needed by.

Parents Please teach your Children  and Grandchildren  - Adults who are not known

" ADULTS do not need Children to Help them, Be their Friend, Need Them to do anything "

The bell keeps ringing in my Head of the words of Sandra's Mom, Sandra's Aunt ..

SHE always wanted to Help others ---

Would that not want you as her Mother to Explain to her - YOU can Help Me, You Can help Aunt, You can help your Grandparents ... Strangers are to be OFF Limits !!

Truly sit her down and have this Conversation - so that She Sandra could say But MOM .. so and so is Lonely and I visit him all the time ..he is MY special Friend........
The Power of Communication with your Children is Priceless

My heart is breaking ..
 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 06, 2009, 05:09:44 PM
Can you please post what hln said? I was not able to watch it.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 06, 2009, 05:13:10 PM
They DO NOT set up mobile command unless they already know something.

I PRAY somebody from his own family turned him in by tipping someone off/


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 05:14:25 PM
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090406/A_NEWS/90406008

Investigators searching for Tracy girl responding to sealed container (1:50 p.m.)

April 06, 2009 4:50 PM
TRACY - Police officers searching for 8-year-old Sandra Cantu are responding today to the discovery of a sealed container found by farm workers located near Tracy Boulevard north of the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park where she was last seen March 27.

At 1:30 p.m., FBI investigators arrived on the scene, presumably to assist in opening the container. No one is saying whether they think the container holds Cantu.

Tracy Police Sgt. Tony Sheneman said the container was found at around 11:40 a.m. by farm workers in an irrigation pond not far from Bacchetti Road — a pond that searchers had already covered. The workers spotted the container while they were emptying the pond to irrigate a nearby field.

San Joaquin Sheriff’s Department spokesman Les Garcia said the container is considered a suspicious item.

Police have received more than 1,000 tips since the little girl was last seen.

The reward money for information leading to Sandra’s whereabouts is now close to $30,000.

Television aerial images of the area show what appears to be a dark-colored suitcase. The pond is surrounded by cropland and a dairy farm.

The California Highway Patrol also is on the scene. No other information about the size, color or condition of the container has been provided.

Come back to Recordnet.com today for updates and read Tuesday’s Record for more on this story.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 05:18:17 PM
Can you please post what hln said? I was not able to watch it.

HLN didn't say anything new...the article Klaas just posted has the latest.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 05:19:45 PM
They DO NOT set up mobile command unless they already know something.

I PRAY somebody from his own family turned him in by tipping someone off/


Yea Blink, that's more than usually the case...UGH    I know the wait is excruciating & we're all wondering what is taking so long but I think they had info before they made this sighting too.    I just pray that means they will nail the b@st@rd that did this!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 05:19:46 PM
Can you please post what hln said? I was not able to watch it.

HLN didn't say anything new...the article Klaas just posted has the latest.

This site is showing comments posted by locals .. News as it comes in on the Bag
http://www.news10.net/news/story.aspx?storyid=57394&catid=2


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 06, 2009, 05:22:46 PM
Sorry but I am having deep denial.  Can a little girl fit into a suitcase such as this? Do you think they could tell by touching it and that is why the Mobile unit was sent? Couldn't just be a precaution?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 05:23:54 PM
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Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 05:24:20 PM
Can you please post what hln said? I was not able to watch it.

HLN didn't say anything new...the article Klaas just posted has the latest.

This site is showing comments posted by locals .. News as it comes in on the Bag
http://www.news10.net/news/story.aspx?storyid=57394&catid=2
Thanks  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Nut44x4 on April 06, 2009, 05:25:43 PM
No denial here. I do not think she is alive, but her being in this suitcase.....I dunno. There would be an odor. No one speaks of odor? I read nothing of that. I say there are no human remains in there.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 05:27:39 PM
Sorry but I am having deep denial.  Can a little girl fit into a suitcase such as this? Do you think they could tell by touching it and that is why the Mobile unit was sent? Couldn't just be a precaution?
TracyG  = Sandra is a tiny little girl and she weighs only 45 pounds. I would think that yes it could be very possible she could fit in a bag like this.  Its not the Bag entirely " itself"

-its why "this Bag" is found where it is ..that's the Issue at hand. Why would anyone dump a suitcase piece of luggage in this remote area.. that is the focus. 

   


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: theboyzmom on April 06, 2009, 05:27:43 PM
No denial here. I do not think she is alive, but her being in this suitcase.....I dunno. There would be an odor. No one speaks of odor? I read nothing of that. I say there are no human remains in there.

I would love to think that but if she was in the water and under water, there may not be much of an odor. And what there is may be masked by the odor of the pond itself - those types of ponds do smell.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: mizjay on April 06, 2009, 05:28:03 PM
Sorry but I am having deep denial.  Can a little girl fit into a suitcase such as this? Do you think they could tell by touching it and that is why the Mobile unit was sent? Couldn't just be a precaution?


  It's a horrible thing to be thinking about, but I do think a child could fit in there.  So sad to imagine. Also I wonder if the farm workers took a look before notifying authorities. I probably would open up something just to see what was in there, I'm nosey like that.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 05:28:21 PM
Sealed Container Suspicious, Could Be Linked To Sandra Cantu


FOX40 News
April 6, 2009
TRACY - Authorities are investigating a sealed container deemed "suspicious" that could be linked to the disappearance of Sandra Cantu.
The container was found after local agriculture workers began draining an irrigation system in Tracy.  The container is on private property; authorities are keeping the media away from the scene.
Authorities will hold a press conference at 3:00pm.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: ChihuahuaMom on April 06, 2009, 05:28:59 PM
No denial here. I do not think she is alive, but her being in this suitcase.....I dunno. There would be an odor. No one speaks of odor? I read nothing of that. I say there are no human remains in there.
and you know the media doesn't want another mistake like with the dumpster in the Cummings case


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 05:30:15 PM
Sorry but I am having deep denial.  Can a little girl fit into a suitcase such as this? Do you think they could tell by touching it and that is why the Mobile unit was sent? Couldn't just be a precaution?


  It's a horrible thing to be thinking about, but I do think a child could fit in there.  So sad to imagine. Also I wonder if the farm workers took a look before notifying authorities. I probably would open up something just to see what was in there, I'm nosey like that.

I would look to UNLESS i smelled a horrible odor....at that point, knowing Sandra was missing, I would have probably left it alone and called the authorities. 




Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 05:31:31 PM
No denial here. I do not think she is alive, but her being in this suitcase.....I dunno. There would be an odor. No one speaks of odor? I read nothing of that. I say there are no human remains in there.
Nut being that its all water surrounding could it be that .. an odor would not be detected. It looks in the photos that the bag was at a time submerged in water ..its looks as though its dried with dirt .. dirt remains dried out on the outside ..from the sun.
I just pray to God this is not Sandra in this bag ..
Yes I want her Found. Not this way.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 05:31:55 PM
No denial here. I do not think she is alive, but her being in this suitcase.....I dunno. There would be an odor. No one speaks of odor? I read nothing of that. I say there are no human remains in there.
and you know the media doesn't want another mistake like with the dumpster in the Cummings case
Oh Heaven forbid.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 06, 2009, 05:34:35 PM
Sorry but I am having deep denial.  Can a little girl fit into a suitcase such as this? Do you think they could tell by touching it and that is why the Mobile unit was sent? Couldn't just be a precaution?


There may be an odor that is causing this concern or the dogs may have hit on the suitcase.  I don't think they would make such a fuss over it if they had no reason to think it is not more than just a suitcase.

I hope you are right, however.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 05:35:17 PM
No denial here. I do not think she is alive, but her being in this suitcase.....I dunno. There would be an odor. No one speaks of odor? I read nothing of that. I say there are no human remains in there.

NUT - if you watch some of the aerial footage, the suitcase or container isn't close to anyone..it's way down in the irrigation canal.  I think it's far enough away that you wouldn't notice an odor.  NOW as soon as they retrieve it out of the canal (which hasn't been done yet) then you would think they'ld have a good idea.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 05:36:11 PM
Im understanding it to have been found after routine drainage.  FBI on the way, unclear where & when they are opening the bag.   That above report posted, I assume that is 3PM pacific time for the presser?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Maven on April 06, 2009, 05:36:42 PM
I hate to think this but maybe there was an odor, maybe that's why they set up a mobile command unit as Blink said they don't just do that kind of thing.

Prayers for Sandra


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 05:36:55 PM
this link

http://www.news10.net/news/story.aspx?storyid=57394&catid=2

There is Audio and I can barely hear it ..sounds like maybe from a helicopter pilot

I don't know if its my pc or what .. someone please link into this site and see if you can hear the audio... Live ..


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: MuffyBee on April 06, 2009, 05:37:09 PM
I'm hoping and praying Sandra isn't in this suitcase/container.  Hoping she's alive.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 05:37:52 PM
LIVE NOW AERIAL VIEWS OF THE INVESTIGATION INTO THE CONTAINER:

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Nut44x4 on April 06, 2009, 05:39:20 PM
No denial here. I do not think she is alive, but her being in this suitcase.....I dunno. There would be an odor. No one speaks of odor? I read nothing of that. I say there are no human remains in there.

NUT - if you watch some of the aerial footage, the suitcase or container isn't close to anyone..it's way down in the irrigation canal.  I think it's far enough away that you wouldn't notice an odor.  NOW as soon as they retrieve it out of the canal (which hasn't been done yet) then you would think they'ld have a good idea.

oooooooo.......I see that now! Thanks... mmmmm..... yes, I agree.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 05:39:50 PM
LIVE NOW AERIAL VIEWS OF THE INVESTIGATION INTO THE CONTAINER:

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/

FYI - no sound at the link above  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 05:39:57 PM
You would think that since this is so close to Sandra's home, these farm workers were told to notify LE immediately if they discovered anything *unusual*.  Plus this pond was already searched.

Perhaps that's all the hype.

Klaas - I had not thought of that but you're right....reports say the farm workers "discovered" the container....that doesnt mean that they actually *walked up to it* therefore i guess an odor wouldn't be of concern right now.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 05:40:05 PM
this link

http://www.news10.net/news/story.aspx?storyid=57394&catid=2

There is Audio and I can barely hear it ..sounds like maybe from a helicopter pilot

I don't know if its my pc or what .. someone please link into this site and see if you can hear the audio... Live ..
---------------------------
Sorry had TWO Screens open - this is the SITE that I can hardly hear the Audio

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=6747565


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 05:41:32 PM
LIVE NOW AERIAL VIEWS OF THE INVESTIGATION INTO THE CONTAINER:

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/
Thanks


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: theboyzmom on April 06, 2009, 05:42:32 PM
this link

http://www.news10.net/news/story.aspx?storyid=57394&catid=2

There is Audio and I can barely hear it ..sounds like maybe from a helicopter pilot

I don't know if its my pc or what .. someone please link into this site and see if you can hear the audio... Live ..
---------------------------
Sorry had TWO Screens open - this is the SITE that I can hardly hear the Audio

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=6747565

I do not hear anything even at full volume. But there is definitely more than a random find going on.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 05:43:04 PM
LIVE NOW AERIAL VIEWS OF THE INVESTIGATION INTO THE CONTAINER:

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/

FYI - no sound at the link above  ::MonkeyCool::

Tks Klaas, much appreciated


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 05:44:35 PM
You would think that since this is so close to Sandra's home, these farm workers were told to notify LE immediately if they discovered anything *unusual*.  Plus this pond was already searched.

Perhaps that's all the hype.

Klaas - I had not thought of that but you're right....reports say the farm workers "discovered" the container....that doesnt mean that they actually *walked up to it* therefore i guess an odor wouldn't be of concern right now.

Look at these photos.  Pretty far away from where people would be.  These are closeups and the actual distance from the road above it quite a ways:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/suitcase3.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/suitcase.jpg)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 06, 2009, 05:45:32 PM
They appear to also be collecting something from the roadside.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: califmom on April 06, 2009, 05:47:39 PM
Good Afternoon Everyone!!

Poor Sandra... I hope this is not her!!  My stomach hurts!!  Sadly, I am having flashbacks of when we first thought they found Caylee at JB Park in the water and then when they did find Caylee's remains.  This is all just too much!! 

I am hoping and praying this is not Sandra. 

God Bless our children!! 



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 05:47:51 PM
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/mslaitte/GREETINGS/BLESS-PRAYERS/BTRFLYpastelPRAY.gif)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 05:48:08 PM
Watching this live video, it looks like they are gathering some stuff/evidence from the wooded area there as well:

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/GatheringStuff.jpg)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 05:49:37 PM
They appear to also be collecting something from the roadside.

footprints??


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 05:51:02 PM
Watching this live video, it looks like they are gathering some stuff/evidence from the wooded area there as well:

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/GatheringStuff.jpg)

Yea, I see bags being carried, could be anything from a cig butt to a piece of cloth - anything that can be connected


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: califmom on April 06, 2009, 05:51:11 PM
How come they haven't retrieved the suitcase yet?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 06, 2009, 05:51:18 PM
They appear to also be collecting something from the roadside.

footprints??


No things in bags.

At least 20 LE vehicles of various typed and searching up and down roadsides in into the trees all around.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 05:52:17 PM
They appear to also be collecting something from the roadside.

footprints??


No things in bags.

At least 20 LE vehicles of various typed and searching up and down roadsides in into the trees all around.



Thanks Anna.  I finally got the live feed to work...I see the bags and such now.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 05:53:22 PM
Alot of activity along the side of the road:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/AerialTracy1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/AerialTracy2.jpg)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 05:53:28 PM
wow - my heart is breaking...this does not look good  ::MonkeyWaa:: 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 06, 2009, 05:53:47 PM
Now they are lining up on the edge of the road preparing to do a line search into the woods.  About a dozen FBI agents it appears.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 05:54:30 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/AerialTracy3.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/AerialTracy4.jpg)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 05:54:36 PM
Now they are lining up on the edge of the road preparing to do a line search into the woods.  About a dozen FBI agents it appears.

and looks like were all given evidence flags...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 05:54:51 PM
Passing red flags, I saw something in the trees, white - was it a car or small structure?    Waiting for it to go back to see if I can get a screenshot, Klaas did you see that?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 06, 2009, 05:55:12 PM
There they go.. I have done that before


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: califmom on April 06, 2009, 05:55:14 PM
Oh My!!  LE is lining up walking into the brush area.  Must be about 20 of them.  This does not look good :(


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 06, 2009, 05:55:26 PM
There they go, into the woods!

Sorry as I know everybody is likely watching this.  I am just nervous.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 06, 2009, 05:56:05 PM
Also putting down those little red flags.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 05:56:25 PM
anyone have a Scanner to listen live ?
    San Joaquin Sheriff
    460.1250 - Channel 1 - Dispatch
    460.3500 - Channel 2 - Information / STARS
    460.2250 - Channel 3 - Tactical
    460.4750 - Channel 4 - Tactical / Transportation
    460.1000 - Channel 5 - Courts
   
I have speakers that are detached from my pc - they are long tall and skinny like a phone and I have one put up to my ear .. lots of transmissions " copy that" on going .. can hear the cuts between whom ever is talking .. still can't hear it though .. its constant communication.
All coming off the site http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=6747565


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: ChihuahuaMom on April 06, 2009, 05:56:31 PM
www.kron.com is Bay Area news....they are reporting that the CHP ( Calif Hwy Patrol) is restricting air space over the site

I gotta go to dog training class........


this isn't looking very good.........thoughts and prayers for her family


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: califmom on April 06, 2009, 05:57:08 PM
This is making me ill :(


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 05:57:45 PM
Passing red flags, I saw something in the trees, white - was it a car or small structure?    Waiting for it to go back to see if I can get a screenshot, Klaas did you see that?

Nope I missed it but I did notice it looks like the suitcase or container is still in the water area.  They are treating this like a crime scene.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: califmom on April 06, 2009, 05:59:05 PM
There they go.. I have done that before


Edward, 
Is this standard protocol or do you think LE knows more about the contents of the suitcase?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 05:59:09 PM
www.kron.com is Bay Area news....they are reporting that the CHP ( Calif Hwy Patrol) is restricting air space over the site

I gotta go to dog training class........


this isn't looking very good.........thoughts and prayers for her family

Give your doggies a hug & im sending you one


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: califmom on April 06, 2009, 05:59:59 PM
Taking pictures of tire marks!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: ChihuahuaMom on April 06, 2009, 06:00:37 PM
www.kron.com is Bay Area news....they are reporting that the CHP ( Calif Hwy Patrol) is restricting air space over the site

I gotta go to dog training class........


this isn't looking very good.........thoughts and prayers for her family

back at ya!!

Give your doggies a hug & im sending you one


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 06:00:47 PM
Passing red flags, I saw something in the trees, white - was it a car or small structure?    Waiting for it to go back to see if I can get a screenshot, Klaas did you see that?

Nope I missed it but I did notice it looks like the suitcase or container is still in the water area.  They are treating this like a crime scene.

Odd - I thought this was their truck but they are treating it as evidence

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/AerialTracy5.jpg)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 06, 2009, 06:01:34 PM
this is making me ill...where are you all watching it where the LE are marking the area etc?

God forbid...in regards to Sandra fitting into the suitcase...they do expand somewhat...and dreadfully, remember Melanie McGuire and the unfortunate end that her husband met with??? yep...suitcases...in water...can't think about this further in that regard...
praying this is not Sandra in that bag....


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 06:02:03 PM
anyone have a Scanner to listen live ?
    San Joaquin Sheriff
    460.1250 - Channel 1 - Dispatch
    460.3500 - Channel 2 - Information / STARS
    460.2250 - Channel 3 - Tactical
    460.4750 - Channel 4 - Tactical / Transportation
    460.1000 - Channel 5 - Courts
   
I have speakers that are detached from my pc - they are long tall and skinny like a phone and I have one put up to my ear .. lots of transmissions " copy that" on going .. can hear the cuts between whom ever is talking .. still can't hear it though .. its constant communication.
All coming off the site http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=6747565


I am not getting any audio...by thanks for this link...it is much clearer than news 10.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 06:02:09 PM
Passing red flags, I saw something in the trees, white - was it a car or small structure?    Waiting for it to go back to see if I can get a screenshot, Klaas did you see that?

Nope I missed it but I did notice it looks like the suitcase or container is still in the water area.  They are treating this like a crime scene.

They are taking images of either tracks or could be droppings of well you know what I mean, knelt down close to the dirt on the abc aerials.   The white thing I saw in the trees could be a white truck bed not sure


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 06, 2009, 06:03:36 PM
www.kron.com is Bay Area news....they are reporting that the CHP ( Calif Hwy Patrol) is restricting air space over the site

I gotta go to dog training class........


this isn't looking very good.........thoughts and prayers for her family


That must be true as how the view is from far away.


Leroy,

I have no sound at all at that site for some reason.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 06:04:24 PM
Passing red flags, I saw something in the trees, white - was it a car or small structure?    Waiting for it to go back to see if I can get a screenshot, Klaas did you see that?

Nope I missed it but I did notice it looks like the suitcase or container is still in the water area.  They are treating this like a crime scene.

Odd - I thought this was their truck but they are treating it as evidence

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/AerialTracy5.jpg)
Yea they are...following track marks or dropping marks from the truck out, dam they pulled up the aerial shot


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: califmom on April 06, 2009, 06:05:07 PM
Praying for Sandra and her poor family who is probably watching this right now.  I just cannot imagine what they are going through right now. 

Gotta run and pick up my daughter from school and then off to softball practice.

Hey what was with that plane? 

BBL




Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 06:06:57 PM
anyone have a Scanner to listen live ?
    San Joaquin Sheriff
    460.1250 - Channel 1 - Dispatch
    460.3500 - Channel 2 - Information / STARS
    460.2250 - Channel 3 - Tactical
    460.4750 - Channel 4 - Tactical / Transportation
    460.1000 - Channel 5 - Courts
   
I have speakers that are detached from my pc - they are long tall and skinny like a phone and I have one put up to my ear .. lots of transmissions " copy that" on going .. can hear the cuts between whom ever is talking .. still can't hear it though .. its constant communication.
All coming off the site http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=6747565


I am not getting any audio...by thanks for this link...it is much clearer than news 10.
who ever I have tapped into is not " a news caster" this is more so LE that I am hearing .. its not broadcasting a story ..its someone collecting evidence from the Air.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 06, 2009, 06:07:06 PM
News 10 is zooming in pretty well.

I wonder if they are speaking to the family now.  I suspect they are also waiting for a specific person to handle the suitcase.  Or the coronor, God forbid.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 06:09:06 PM
News 10 is zooming in pretty well.

I wonder if they are speaking to the family now.  I suspect they are also waiting for a specific person to handle the suitcase.  Or the coronor, God forbid.

I read earlier that the family was going to make a statement at the 3pm presser...i'll see if I can find the link.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 06:11:37 PM
on HLN....possibility that infarred detector may have been used.

that would explain ALOT.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 06:12:53 PM
News 10 is zooming in pretty well.

I wonder if they are speaking to the family now.  I suspect they are also waiting for a specific person to handle the suitcase.  Or the coronor, God forbid.

I read earlier that the family was going to make a statement at the 3pm presser...i'll see if I can find the link.

Its after 6 eastern 5 central now so its after 3 in Cali now...so the presser is late?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 06:13:40 PM
They haven't removed it yet.  Also after I got this shot they walked away from it.  Looks like they ar waiting on CSI?

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/AerialTracy7.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/AerialTracy6.jpg)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: flamom on April 06, 2009, 06:14:11 PM
That looks like an ME or Dr to me...  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 06, 2009, 06:14:19 PM
Someone in white lab coat now.  Medical examiner perhaps?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 06:15:06 PM
That looks like an ME or Dr to me...  ::MonkeyEek::
That's what I thought  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 06:15:35 PM
I think CSI is on the ground already Klaas, I hate to say I think they're waiting on the ME.  Maybe blood traces or the infray from a plane determined the need....said with much heartbreak & regret


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: flamom on April 06, 2009, 06:15:42 PM
I cant take a screen cap but there was a guy with green scrub pants and a lab coat on the road talking with 2 other men who looked like LE


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 06:15:46 PM
I just heard between clicks .. a man saying "I think" then the words " You Know" then " inaudible " " tortured somewhere" ..

God I have my speakers on full tilt and have it/ my one speaker strapped to my head .. mostly I can hear the sounds of a Helicopter ...
Like when someone does live traffic on the radio.. But I do hear two to 3 voices all male conversing back and forth in snips.





Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 06:16:06 PM
Someone in white lab coat now.  Medical examiner perhaps?

oh gosh, I think it is.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 06, 2009, 06:17:06 PM
The physician appears to have a camera.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 06:17:16 PM
Coroner?  Lab coat.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/AerialTracy8.jpg)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 06:17:40 PM
Presser now going to be in approx 15 minutes according to HLN speaking to local media rep


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 06, 2009, 06:18:38 PM
Presser now going to be in approx 15 minutes according to HLN speaking to local media rep

was just going to post this Cappy....


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 06:18:45 PM
HLN has the coroner/ME above where the bag is now


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 06:19:04 PM
Presser now going to be in approx 15 minutes according to HLN speaking to local media rep
Thanks, even the property owner was told she couldn't come on her own property  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: flamom on April 06, 2009, 06:19:12 PM
Now what?? I hope they dont open that bag...  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 06:19:30 PM
Presser now going to be in approx 15 minutes according to HLN speaking to local media rep

was just going to post this Cappy....

GMTA girlfriend


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 06, 2009, 06:20:30 PM
on HLN...that bag looks really small...don't know that she would fit in there...but maybe wistful thinking on my part...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 06:20:42 PM
does anyone know if they had cadavar dogs out there?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 06:22:08 PM
I just heard between clicks .. a man saying "I think" then the words " You Know" then " inaudible " " tortured somewhere" ..

God I have my speakers on full tilt and have it/ my one speaker strapped to my head .. mostly I can hear the sounds of a Helicopter ...
Like when someone does live traffic on the radio.. But I do hear two to 3 voices all male conversing back and forth in snips.


Off a scanner Deenie?    O lordie that explains what I suspected maybe droppings were found leading to the bag - o dam dam, dam it


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 06:22:30 PM
does anyone know if they had cadavar dogs out there?
I'm not sure, I thought they had searched this water, but don't know about dogs.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 06:23:20 PM

BLOCKED WEBSITE



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 06:24:02 PM
HLN has the coroner/ME above where the bag is now

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/AerialTracy9.jpg)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 06:25:50 PM
BLOCKED WEBSITE


Thanks, HLN broke into Chris Brown, with screaming fans  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 06:27:59 PM
Yea I have it on NoRose, never mind the screaming fans but why cut from  this case for entering a plea!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 06:28:13 PM
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=6747565

this where I am watching .. Where is everyone else watching ??


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: oldfart on April 06, 2009, 06:28:15 PM
Peee on Chris Brown  !!!!
I want a report from Tracy, CA.

JMO   



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 06, 2009, 06:28:18 PM
There they go.. I have done that before


Edward, 
Is this standard protocol or do you think LE knows more about the contents of the suitcase?

Normal .. It does not matter whether you find anything or not.. You go one step at a time slowly and marking possible evidence as you proceed to the object in question.

This is how it is supposed to be done every time..


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 06:28:54 PM
Peee on Chris Brown  !!!!
I want a report from Tracy, CA.

JMO   
Me Too Old Fart ... I could care less about Chris Brown


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 06:29:07 PM
Yea I have it on NoRose, never mind the screaming fans but why cut from  this case for entering a plea!
So frustrating, I put on Fox, but there is comercials, hoping they are covering this.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: kippy on April 06, 2009, 06:29:15 PM
Been watching the live stream and it appears they actually see something, like something is very visable...I have a really bad feeling.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 06:30:07 PM
Well, they havent put a tent up over this bag, it seems like the were determining how to approach the bag there at the scene or elsewhere


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 06:31:10 PM
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=6747565

this where I am watching .. Where is everyone else watching ??


http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: zoeandme on April 06, 2009, 06:31:15 PM
Yea I have it on NoRose, never mind the screaming fans but why cut from  this case for entering a plea!

I don't know why they think we need to see Chris Brown walking into his arraignment.  At least not right at this moment!  Sandra's possible case development trumps that dude!!!!!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 06, 2009, 06:31:27 PM
I think they will take the bag in somewhere secure before opening it.  Won't open it there.

And beside those people, it does look small for holding a child of eight years.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 06:31:30 PM
There they go.. I have done that before


Edward, 
Is this standard protocol or do you think LE knows more about the contents of the suitcase?

Normal .. It does not matter whether you find anything or not.. You go one step at a time slowly and marking possible evidence as you proceed to the object in question.

This is how it is supposed to be done every time..

Very methodical and absolutely no chances of contamination


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 06:32:41 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/AerialTracy10.jpg)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 06:33:06 PM
There are a bunch of red flags on the ground close to above where the bag is


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: theboyzmom on April 06, 2009, 06:33:06 PM
Wonder if the white truck is the truck that the people that found it drove out in and they are getting samples to rule it out from any other tracks?

I get a REALLY bad feeling on this.  Anyone find a network covering it out of the local area?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 06:34:31 PM
I just heard between clicks .. a man saying "I think" then the words " You Know" then " inaudible " " tortured somewhere" ..

God I have my speakers on full tilt and have it/ my one speaker strapped to my head .. mostly I can hear the sounds of a Helicopter ...
Like when someone does live traffic on the radio.. But I do hear two to 3 voices all male conversing back and forth in snips.


Off a scanner Deenie?    O lordie that explains what I suspected maybe droppings were found leading to the bag - o dam dam, dam it
I don't know who I am actually listening to. I can hear clicks like a CB live or a scanner -
its the same voices coming in and out - all Male. Dammit its so close to hear and yet not clear ... nor able to distinguish everything that is said ... too much interference from the Helicopter ...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 06:35:58 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/AerialTracy11.jpg)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: oldfart on April 06, 2009, 06:36:32 PM
Oh  WOW

Chris  plead Not Guilty to all counts   ::MonkeyEek::  who would have guessed that ?

Grrrrrrr


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A's Fever on April 06, 2009, 06:37:15 PM
Should it be taking this long??  If this container was found this morning, that was at least 3 1/2 hours ago, and they are still standing around looking at this container.  Why so long?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 06, 2009, 06:37:51 PM
Wonder if the white truck is the truck that the people that found it drove out in and they are getting samples to rule it out from any other tracks?

I get a REALLY bad feeling on this.  Anyone find a network covering it out of the local area?

No, channel is covering. WTH is with the Chris Brown coverage????


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 06:37:54 PM
there is obviously something that is Known besides the " bag" ..
They are not touching it and bringing in all these outside people - Now using land surveying equipment ..and as we all have seen the Doc .. in his scrubs/lab coat ..on the scene for quite some time.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: SunnyinTX on April 06, 2009, 06:38:02 PM
Coroner?  Lab coat.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/AerialTracy8.jpg)

Klaas would you please post the link to where you are watching? Thanks


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 06, 2009, 06:38:36 PM
I am not buying that this pond was drained routinely. My guess is wiretap or a tip from someone with knowledge.

The other alternative is the aerial  scans. It takes alot of time for them to be analyzed and they may only be 48 hours old. The technology is highly successfull in detecting objects in water from the air. If the "shot" that water, which undoubtedly they did, it is likely the scans would pick it up.

Anyway you slice it, imo, they knew going out there it was her. I would not be surprised to hear if the first responder had a k9 confirmation.

Coroner on the scene should cover it as to whats in the suitcase.  


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 06:39:33 PM
Wonder if the white truck is the truck that the people that found it drove out in and they are getting samples to rule it out from any other tracks?

I get a REALLY bad feeling on this.  Anyone find a network covering it out of the local area?

No, channel is covering. WTH is with the Chris Brown coverage????
Because in SHEEP Heads " Chris Brown's Welfare " is important to them
Much more important than Sandra ........... ratings ratings


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 06:40:21 PM
Dam can anyone make out the audio on 10 for the presser  Im getting nothing but buzz


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: oldfart on April 06, 2009, 06:41:11 PM
http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/

Has got a guy talking but the Audio  SUCKS.... BIG TIME


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 06, 2009, 06:41:27 PM
they said that the farmer did not even know that a child was missing when he called the police...what would have made him suspicious enough to bother calling then? other items must show up in bodies of water from time to time right?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: theboyzmom on April 06, 2009, 06:41:54 PM
Wonder if the white truck is the truck that the people that found it drove out in and they are getting samples to rule it out from any other tracks?

I get a REALLY bad feeling on this.  Anyone find a network covering it out of the local area?

No, channel is covering. WTH is with the Chris Brown coverage????
Because in SHEEP Heads " Chris Brown's Welfare " is important to them
Much more important than Sandra ........... ratings ratings


That is a true but sad commentary on the world. One child means nothing compared to a "star" being naughty.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 06:42:02 PM
Dam can anyone make out the audio on 10 for the presser  Im getting nothing but buzz

nope!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 06:42:05 PM
Coroner?  Lab coat.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/AerialTracy8.jpg)

Klaas would you please post the link to where you are watching? Thanks

Here but they are having a press conf right now and the sound doesn't work!

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 06:42:27 PM
Coroner?  Lab coat.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/AerialTracy8.jpg)

Klaas would you please post the link to where you are watching? Thanks
I do not know what Klaas is watching - the link I am watching is http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=6747565


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 06, 2009, 06:42:29 PM
Press conference fox40 don't have the link. Saying there is no reason to believe anything is in there. After all of the mapping container will be moved and transfered to be opened


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: SunnyinTX on April 06, 2009, 06:43:41 PM
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=6747565

this where I am watching .. Where is everyone else watching ??


http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/

Thanks!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 06:43:54 PM
live conf - with sound

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=6747865


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 06, 2009, 06:43:56 PM
That case or whatever it is does look too small.
I agree I don't give a rats azz what happens to Chris Brown ever.  Never even heard of him ( I am old and gd's too young ) before this.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 06:44:09 PM
http://www.kron.com/KRON4comLiveStream2/tabid/428/Default.aspx

clear audio


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 06:44:23 PM
presser

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=6747865



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 06, 2009, 06:44:44 PM
Tracy PD talking smoke...will not open because of potential evidence. Wasn't there when it was filled, after draining there today. Strange to find a container floating. IT has been full for 2 weeks.

I am trying to type this, hope it makes sense.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 06, 2009, 06:44:54 PM
Press conference fox40 don't have the link. Saying there is no reason to believe anything is in there. After all of the mapping container will be moved and transfered to be opened

Thank You


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 06, 2009, 06:45:39 PM
live conf - with sound

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=6747865

Whew! Thanks


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 06:45:57 PM
it was pulled aside by the farmers...??

LE has not touched it.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: oldfart on April 06, 2009, 06:47:19 PM
live conf - with sound

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=6747865

Thanks


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 06:47:25 PM
live conf - with sound

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=6747865

Whew! Thanks
the Man who is talking to the Press you can see his Adrenaline is High  - I see his heart beating in his upper jaw .. as he is being questioned


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 06:47:54 PM
Not going to be opened on site - will be opened today sometime


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 06:48:09 PM
some of these reporters are clueless...   ::MonkeyConfused:: 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: SunnyinTX on April 06, 2009, 06:48:13 PM
Coroner?  Lab coat.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/AerialTracy8.jpg)

Klaas would you please post the link to where you are watching? Thanks

Here but they are having a press conf right now and the sound doesn't work!

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/

Thanks....I went there from your previous post...but couldn't hear a thing....but now I can....


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: SunnyinTX on April 06, 2009, 06:49:34 PM
Coroner?  Lab coat.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/AerialTracy8.jpg)

Klaas would you please post the link to where you are watching? Thanks
I do not know what Klaas is watching - the link I am watching is http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=6747565

Thanks Deenie....the guy just said no indication of a body in the bag


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 06, 2009, 06:50:02 PM
Why would they not just come out and say we suspect a body in the bag?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 06, 2009, 06:50:02 PM
Trace evidence would be lost if it was not opened properly. Coroner will open the bag.
There is no evidence that there is a body in the bag.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: theboyzmom on April 06, 2009, 06:59:17 PM
My butt hurts! I got kicked out - The guy that gave the presser was stressed.

JVM is covering the case at 7 EST


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: SunnyinTX on April 06, 2009, 07:00:53 PM
Trace evidence would be lost if it was not opened properly. Coroner will open the bag.
There is no evidence that there is a body in the bag.


Thanks to all for posting the links and posting what was being said.....SM froze for me and I was doing some major cussin and stomping my feet! ::MonkeyWaa::

So they aren't saying a thing.....the silence speaks volumns!!  They (FBI, I assume) asked the FAA to make it a no fly zone ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: mizjay on April 06, 2009, 07:00:55 PM


  But if the farmer didn't even know about the missing Sandra, why would he bother to call anyone unless something raised a red flag?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: SunnyinTX on April 06, 2009, 07:02:22 PM
Did I hear the guy say farm workers moved the bag? But it has not been touched by LE?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 07:02:34 PM
My butt hurts! I got kicked out - The guy that gave the presser was stressed.

JVM is covering the case at 7 EST


JVM just called it a "barrell".... ::MonkeyConfused:: 

I dont think i can stomach her today!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: theboyzmom on April 06, 2009, 07:03:00 PM


  But if the farmer didn't even know about the missing Sandra, why would he bother to call anyone unless something raised a red flag?

Good point. Wonder if there was a smell or they opened it enough to know what was in it.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 06, 2009, 07:03:33 PM
Why would they not just come out and say we suspect a body in the bag?

It looks pretty small.  To me looks smaller beside people.  I think they don't want to say that in case it is wrong they would look foolish and also so as not to upset family and friends and the community.

And on a gruesome note but one we are all likely to be considering, it is possible to have body PARTS in a smaller container.  Or other evidence such as clothing or a toy, etc.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 06, 2009, 07:04:06 PM
If that bagbegan floating when the water level subsided, it would actually be more likely there is decompostion in it without being too graphic. This is about the right amount of time in a water situation unfortunately.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: theboyzmom on April 06, 2009, 07:04:07 PM
My butt hurts! I got kicked out - The guy that gave the presser was stressed.

JVM is covering the case at 7 EST


JVM just called it a "barrell".... ::MonkeyConfused:: 

I dont think i can stomach her today!

I heard that. Get your facts straight, please!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 07:04:31 PM


  But if the farmer didn't even know about the missing Sandra, why would he bother to call anyone unless something raised a red flag?

Good point. Wonder if there was a smell or they opened it enough to know what was in it.

from the presser it sounded like the farmers were told to notify authorities of anything suspicious....that's why I think they called LE.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 06, 2009, 07:05:35 PM
My butt hurts! I got kicked out - The guy that gave the presser was stressed.

JVM is covering the case at 7 EST


JVM just called it a "barrell".... ::MonkeyConfused:: 

I dont think i can stomach her today!

lol I totally agree I cant do mullett today.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 06, 2009, 07:05:55 PM


  But if the farmer didn't even know about the missing Sandra, why would he bother to call anyone unless something raised a red flag?

that is what I said and thought! why? doesn't make sense to me...
JVM said that a barrel had been found ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: she needs to get things straight when reporting


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 07:06:22 PM
I was blown out of the Cage ... I watched the video of the live press though

All evasive information - so that leads my Monkey brain to think .. Something is noted and found - their not releasing info yet. Because if they knew for sure " Even without touching the Bag" this has nothing to do with Sandra ..they would have not invited everyone under the sun to come out and investigate.

This is a Sad Day .. The Man interviewed http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=6747865
I have no clue of who he was " the chosen" spokesman - He said it himself " we have not dealt with a situation such as this before" and yet he seemed to be trying to keep his emotions under wraps. I could see his heartbeat in his face ..that to me shows that He may be a " Daddy" ... in his own life. 

Speculation is Just right now,  about the findings of this " bag" container - One thing though.. you can't hide a Man's emotions ..he said it " I have never been involved with such a case like this before" ..  And from what I saw of him, he was hurting giving that interview. jmo



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: mizjay on April 06, 2009, 07:06:35 PM


  But if the farmer didn't even know about the missing Sandra, why would he bother to call anyone unless something raised a red flag?

Good point. Wonder if there was a smell or they opened it enough to know what was in it.

That's the most logical conclusion. As, Cookie mentioned earlier, there's gotta be things that turn up in these ponds, seems like the workers would always be curious, they might get lucky and find a siutcase full of money or something. Can't imagine they did't at least peek, even with an odor


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 07:06:48 PM
Mizjay - my apologies...i read your post wrong when I replied. 

do you know if the farmer did say he didn't know Sandra was missing?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 06, 2009, 07:07:47 PM
LOL,,,, a few of us were posting the same thing about JVM at the same time!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Keepthefaith on April 06, 2009, 07:08:04 PM
email klaas!Thanx! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: mizjay on April 06, 2009, 07:09:07 PM
Mizjay - my apologies...i read your post wrong when I replied. 

do you know if the farmer did say he didn't know Sandra was missing?


  That's what I heard but can't give you a link, sorry,   could be misinformation


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 07:09:36 PM
I was blown out of the Cage ... I watched the video of the live press though

All evasive information - so that leads my Monkey brain to think .. Something is noted and found - their not releasing info yet. Because if they knew for sure " Even without touching the Bag" this has nothing to do with Sandra ..they would have not invited everyone under the sun to come out and investigate.

This is a Sad Day .. The Man interviewed http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=6747865
I have no clue of who he was " the chosen" spokesman - He said it himself " we have not dealt with a situation such as this before" and yet he seemed to be trying to keep his emotions under wraps. I could see his heartbeat in his face ..that to me shows that He may be a " Daddy" ... in his own life. 

Speculation is Just right now,  about the findings of this " bag" container - One thing though.. you can't hide a Man's emotions ..he said it " I have never been involved with such a case like this before" ..  And from what I saw of him, he was hurting giving that interview. jmo



I agree Deenie!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 07:10:29 PM
Why would they not just come out and say we suspect a body in the bag?

It looks pretty small.  To me looks smaller beside people.  I think they don't want to say that in case it is wrong they would look foolish and also so as not to upset family and friends and the community.

And on a gruesome note but one we are all likely to be considering, it is possible to have body PARTS in a smaller container.  Or other evidence such as clothing or a toy, etc.


Its not Small - If you look at the photos in retrospect -You see Grown Men who I am gathering are 5'9-6'0 ..Standing on the Top flat ground ..with hillside ..slanted earth going down  .. with the Bag below... that hillside alone has to be over 6 feet in depth .. so the bag at the bottom is not small .. It just appears to be .. due to the photos.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 07:10:39 PM
Mizjay - my apologies...i read your post wrong when I replied. 

do you know if the farmer did say he didn't know Sandra was missing?


  That's what I heard but can't give you a link, sorry,   could be misinformation

Thanks Mizjay.  I missed alot of the presser.  if that is correct, then you are right....what would make him call LE???


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A's Fever on April 06, 2009, 07:11:46 PM
Thanks to the Monkey who gave the link to ABC live streaming presser.

There seems to be much more to this than the presser indicated.  You don't declare something a no fly zone if you think the container is not related.

Seems odd that the farmer was not aware that a child was missing, yet called police to report a suitcase in a pond.  This is such a small community with major press coverage.  I wonder if the farmer really made the call or the FBI had already focused on the area, object.

Damn, this doesn't look good.  ::MonkeyWaa::
 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 07:11:55 PM
anyone still have a live feed of the scene?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 06, 2009, 07:14:10 PM
Mizjay - my apologies...i read your post wrong when I replied. 

do you know if the farmer did say he didn't know Sandra was missing?


  That's what I heard but can't give you a link, sorry,   could be misinformation

it was said in the first hour of HLN....a detective that was on the show.......wears glasses, black gentleman...very knowledgeable...Don Harris? not sure of his name but he is on there a lot...he said when asked, would the farmer be a suspect? he said that yes since it was on his land, as everyone, anyone is suspect blah blah blah...also said that the farmer did not know that Sandra was missing when he called LE...I remember it cause I thought, geez, he must not listen to the news, read the paper or go into town cause it is all over the place...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 07:14:47 PM
anyone still have a live feed of the scene?

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=6747604

its still rolling


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 07:15:49 PM
email klaas!Thanx! ::MonkeyCool::

Emailed you back  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 06, 2009, 07:15:53 PM
NO one is saying what I want to read right now. For 10 days we have been looking for this little girl. Flyers being passed, candles being lit, prayers being sent...Why is no one saying this can't possibly be her body because she is still alive?? I am sick right now, I am wanting to throw up or scream but all that is coming out are tears of pain for this poor child.

This is horrible, terrible and terrifying!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 07:16:40 PM
Dang I got thrown off my vine HARD!

Im gonna check back in a bit.    They went off livestream it seems....Ill be in Caylee's thread & still praying.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: mizjay on April 06, 2009, 07:17:52 PM
Mizjay - my apologies...i read your post wrong when I replied. 

do you know if the farmer did say he didn't know Sandra was missing?


  That's what I heard but can't give you a link, sorry,   could be misinformation

Thanks Mizjay.  I missed alot of the presser.  if that is correct, then you are right....what would make him call LE???

  I'm trying to back track and find where I heard it from,   but you know how these things get all mangled up.     ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: oldfart on April 06, 2009, 07:18:29 PM
JMO

But seems like a big waste of time, money, people  to  do full crime scene investigation, close the air space and haul the bag back to a lab... W/O  just a little peek into the bag 1st.

SeeYaByeeee



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 06, 2009, 07:18:41 PM
NO one is saying what I want to read right now. For 10 days we have been looking for this little girl. Flyers being passed, candles being lit, prayers being sent...Why is no one saying this can't possibly be her body because she is still alive?? I am sick right now, I am wanting to throw up or scream but all that is coming out are tears of pain for this poor child.

This is horrible, terrible and terrifying!

but we don't have confirmation yet....keep your hopes up....xxxxx
I know how you feel though...I am very tense...
they are going over the Casey A. case on JVM...I think that at the moment Sandra's case is a little more important...we can always talk about Casey tomorrow...she isn;t going anywhere thank goodness..


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 06, 2009, 07:20:32 PM
Mizjay - my apologies...i read your post wrong when I replied. 

do you know if the farmer did say he didn't know Sandra was missing?


  That's what I heard but can't give you a link, sorry,   could be misinformation

Thanks Mizjay.  I missed alot of the presser.  if that is correct, then you are right....what would make him call LE???

  I'm trying to back track and find where I heard it from,   but you know how these things get all mangled up.     ::MonkeyConfused::

Miz...I printed the info...see my post a few back...it was on HLN...Vinnie Politan and the detective that is always on there...
was trying to find the transcripts to todays show but I couldn't ....


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 07:21:18 PM


  I'm trying to back track and find where I heard it from,   but you know how these things get all mangled up.     ::MonkeyConfused::

Cookie found it...it was on HLN.

Oh I can relate well with these things getting mangled!!  plus my mind is on overdrive today so its even worse   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 07:21:21 PM
JMO

But seems like a big waste of time, money, people  to  do full crime scene investigation, close the air space and haul the bag back to a lab... W/O  just a little peek into the bag 1st.

SeeYaByeeee



Oldfart - if they are close enough to the bag they can probably smell it


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: mizjay on April 06, 2009, 07:22:04 PM
Mizjay - my apologies...i read your post wrong when I replied. 

do you know if the farmer did say he didn't know Sandra was missing?


  That's what I heard but can't give you a link, sorry,   could be misinformation

it was said in the first hour of HLN....a detective that was on the show.......wears glasses, black gentleman...very knowledgeable...Don Harris? not sure of his name but he is on there a lot...he said when asked, would the farmer be a suspect? he said that yes since it was on his land, as everyone, anyone is suspect blah blah blah...also said that the farmer did not know that Sandra was missing when he called LE...I remember it cause I thought, geez, he must not listen to the news, read the paper or go into town cause it is all over the place...


  Cookie     you're an angel,  I was beginning to sweat bullets, afraid I'd just dreamed it,  Thanks.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: EverySunset on April 06, 2009, 07:23:58 PM
NO one is saying what I want to read right now. For 10 days we have been looking for this little girl. Flyers being passed, candles being lit, prayers being sent...Why is no one saying this can't possibly be her body because she is still alive?? I am sick right now, I am wanting to throw up or scream but all that is coming out are tears of pain for this poor child.

This is horrible, terrible and terrifying!
I feel sick, too.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: dawg on April 06, 2009, 07:26:45 PM
email klaas!Thanx! ::MonkeyCool::

Emailed you back  ::MonkeyCool::

hi Klass just want to say thanks and your a super person on here ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 06, 2009, 07:28:32 PM
NO one is saying what I want to read right now. For 10 days we have been looking for this little girl. Flyers being passed, candles being lit, prayers being sent...Why is no one saying this can't possibly be her body because she is still alive?? I am sick right now, I am wanting to throw up or scream but all that is coming out are tears of pain for this poor child.

This is horrible, terrible and terrifying!

Yes tracygirl, it is, and I just wanted to tell you there are many of us on here that have been in your shoes, and are with you on this one.

This may not be comforting right now, but it is meant to be- There is nothing worse in the world, than a baby "out there", discarded. The pain and anguish this family has been going through only starts the process to eventual possible healing ( to the extent one can) by locating her and getting answers for her.  I have never met a family regardless of how heinous the conditions of their loved one were found, that did not prefer that over them just being "missing".

I hope being here among some of the smartest and kindest chimps is comforting; I know it has been for me.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 07:29:18 PM
email klaas!Thanx! ::MonkeyCool::

Emailed you back  ::MonkeyCool::

hi Klass just want to say thanks and your a super person on here ::MonkeyDance::

Thanks Dawg ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: NCSunny on April 06, 2009, 07:32:34 PM
NO one is saying what I want to read right now. For 10 days we have been looking for this little girl. Flyers being passed, candles being lit, prayers being sent...Why is no one saying this can't possibly be her body because she is still alive?? I am sick right now, I am wanting to throw up or scream but all that is coming out are tears of pain for this poor child.

This is horrible, terrible and terrifying!

Yes tracygirl, it is, and I just wanted to tell you there are many of us on here that have been in your shoes, and are with you on this one.

This may not be comforting right now, but it is meant to be- There is nothing worse in the world, than a baby "out there", discarded. The pain and anguish this family has been going through only starts the process to eventual possible healing ( to the extent one can) by locating her and getting answers for her.  I have never met a family regardless of how heinous the conditions of their loved one were found, that did not prefer that over them just being "missing".

I hope being here among some of the smartest and kindest chimps is comforting; I know it has been for me.


 TY Blink, you are such a wise Monkey & this being such a horrible thing, help bring everything back in perspective, I know it helped me right now.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 06, 2009, 07:32:55 PM
JMO

But seems like a big waste of time, money, people  to  do full crime scene investigation, close the air space and haul the bag back to a lab... W/O  just a little peek into the bag 1st.

SeeYaByeeee



You can bet the farm workers did look inside.. They are poor and it could have been money..
If they really did drag it on shore.. The way it was half sunk in the mud, I question it being drug on shore and if it was I question it being empty, as it would not sunk in the mud. It is heavy


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 07:33:15 PM
http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=57394&catid=2

Suspicious Container Found in Tracy Pond
Written for the web byPosted By: C. Johnson, Internet News Producer   


TRACY, CA - What is in a suitcase-like container found in an irrigation pond two miles from where an 8-year-old Tracy girl was last seen 10 days ago remains a mystery at this time.

"There are no indications there are human remains in there," said Sgt. Tony Sheneman with the Tracy Police Department in a Monday afternoon news conference.

Sheneman said investigators were photographing and mapping the area off Tracy Boulevard and Whitehall Road where the container was found by farmworkers about 10 a.m. He said the workers were draining the pond in preparation of flooding a nearby field when the item floated to the surface. A worker moved it to the pond edge, Sheneman said, and then called authorities.

Sheneman said the container will be taken to a different location later Monday to be opened.

The sergeant said the area was gone over twice in the last two weekends as searchers looked for Sandra Cantu. She vanished March 27. The last sighting of her was on surveillance tape about 4 p.m. that day in Orchard Estates mobile home park where she lives with her family.


NEWS10 SPECIAL: Sandra Cantu Search

Sheneman described the item as a black container of substantial size. Aerial images of the item show what appears to be a dark-colored suitcase or garment bag. The pond is surrounded by cropland.



Tracy police, the California Highway Patrol and numerous official vehicles were at the scene.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: sleepyhead on April 06, 2009, 07:34:03 PM
Just heard the newsguy say "lets not assume there was an abducter" ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: dawg on April 06, 2009, 07:34:47 PM
JMO

But seems like a big waste of time, money, people  to  do full crime scene investigation, close the air space and haul the bag back to a lab... W/O  just a little peek into the bag 1st.

SeeYaByeeee



You can bet the farm workers did look inside.. They are poor and it could have been money..
If they really did drag it on shore.. The way it was half sunk in the mud, I question it being drug on shore and if it was I question it being empty, as it would not sunk in the mud. It is heavy

Well there finger prints would have been on it since they dragged it in anyway so I am betting they looked to.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 07:36:49 PM
NO one is saying what I want to read right now. For 10 days we have been looking for this little girl. Flyers being passed, candles being lit, prayers being sent...Why is no one saying this can't possibly be her body because she is still alive?? I am sick right now, I am wanting to throw up or scream but all that is coming out are tears of pain for this poor child.

This is horrible, terrible and terrifying!
TG Not one of Us here want that Bag to be related to Sandra .. You have to know that. We here on Scared Monkeys are here for a reason and that is to offer up factual reporting as events unfold. We do not pride ourselves along with Mainstream media as our only Facts.  Many Monkeys have gone above and beyond ..and are so diligent in the Mission of finding Lost Children. Not looking for a pat on the back. Nor to be anyone's hero. Just amazingly Loving People.
We are all together here  to accumulate knowledge and share with each other for one reason and one reason only " We are Monkeys " Our Mission to Bring the Missing Home.
And if god forbid the Missing are Found and are no longer with us - WE STAND TOGETHER for JUSTICE ..to fight for that Child.. 
We are not Arm Chair Sleuths that have nothing better to do. We Stand Together as A United Front. We are the People  :smt049.. not the Reporters, not the grand standers. We are Moms, Grandmothers, Aunts, Sisters, Fathers, Brothers..  Most of us Wounded somehow in our own lives ..that we are driven to help/aid others ..Because we Can.
We are Monkeys. Your now a Monkey too Tracy Girl. Welcome.





Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: kippy on April 06, 2009, 07:39:01 PM
It really doesn't look like a suitcase or garmet bag to me..it looks more like my outside garbage can with a handle.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 06, 2009, 07:43:53 PM
Just heard the newsguy say "lets not assume there was an abducter" ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

So many things I can say about that, but all involve language my mother taught me not to use. If I hear one more time she may not have been abducted I will scream! Do you think it is just denial?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 06, 2009, 07:49:11 PM
NO one is saying what I want to read right now. For 10 days we have been looking for this little girl. Flyers being passed, candles being lit, prayers being sent...Why is no one saying this can't possibly be her body because she is still alive?? I am sick right now, I am wanting to throw up or scream but all that is coming out are tears of pain for this poor child.

This is horrible, terrible and terrifying!
TG Not one of Us here want that Bag to be related to Sandra .. You have to know that. We here on Scared Monkeys are here for a reason and that is to offer up factual reporting as events unfold. We do not pride ourselves along with Mainstream media as our only Facts.  Many Monkeys have gone above and beyond ..and are so diligent in the Mission of finding Lost Children. Not looking for a pat on the back. Nor to be anyone's hero. Just amazingly Loving People.
We are all together here  to accumulate knowledge and share with each other for one reason and one reason only " We are Monkeys " Our Mission to Bring the Missing Home.
And if god forbid the Missing are Found and are no longer with us - WE STAND TOGETHER for JUSTICE ..to fight for that Child.. 
We are not Arm Chair Sleuths that have nothing better to do. We Stand Together as A United Front. We are the People  :smt049.. not the Reporters, not the grand standers. We are Moms, Grandmothers, Aunts, Sisters, Fathers, Brothers..  Most of us Wounded somehow in our own lives ..that we are driven to help/aid others ..Because we Can.
We are Monkeys. Your now a Monkey too Tracy Girl. Welcome.





Thank you for such kind words. I came to your sight because you all sounded like experts of sorts on this subject. You are very dedicated, it shows. Thank you for welcoming me. This subject has always been a difficult one for me to face. maybe now I can.
I also want to add, you are all so strong, this is difficult stuff.  I commend your dedication


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: sleepyhead on April 06, 2009, 07:49:22 PM
Just heard the newsguy say "lets not assume there was an abducter" ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

So many things I can say about that, but all involve language my mother taught me not to use. If I hear one more time she may not have been abducted I will scream! Do you think it is just denial?


I hear that. She didn't do it to herself. Some of those news peoples IQ is lower than my 8 year olds. I have seen some pretty dumb ones.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Srobbins on April 06, 2009, 07:49:45 PM
I just heard on JVM that the farmers were well aware of the searching of Sandra. That is why the called the LE!  I pray that she is not in there!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: sleepyhead on April 06, 2009, 07:50:51 PM
NO one is saying what I want to read right now. For 10 days we have been looking for this little girl. Flyers being passed, candles being lit, prayers being sent...Why is no one saying this can't possibly be her body because she is still alive?? I am sick right now, I am wanting to throw up or scream but all that is coming out are tears of pain for this poor child.

This is horrible, terrible and terrifying!
TG Not one of Us here want that Bag to be related to Sandra .. You have to know that. We here on Scared Monkeys are here for a reason and that is to offer up factual reporting as events unfold. We do not pride ourselves along with Mainstream media as our only Facts.  Many Monkeys have gone above and beyond ..and are so diligent in the Mission of finding Lost Children. Not looking for a pat on the back. Nor to be anyone's hero. Just amazingly Loving People.
We are all together here  to accumulate knowledge and share with each other for one reason and one reason only " We are Monkeys " Our Mission to Bring the Missing Home.
And if god forbid the Missing are Found and are no longer with us - WE STAND TOGETHER for JUSTICE ..to fight for that Child.. 
We are not Arm Chair Sleuths that have nothing better to do. We Stand Together as A United Front. We are the People  :smt049.. not the Reporters, not the grand standers. We are Moms, Grandmothers, Aunts, Sisters, Fathers, Brothers..  Most of us Wounded somehow in our own lives ..that we are driven to help/aid others ..Because we Can.
We are Monkeys. Your now a Monkey too Tracy Girl. Welcome.





Thank you for such kind words. I came to your sight because you all sounded like experts of sorts on this subject. You are very dedicated, it shows. Thank you for welcoming me. This subject has always been a difficult one for me to face. maybe now I can.
I also want to add, you are all so strong, this is difficult stuff.  I commend your dedication


I hope and pray to God nothing ever happens to my kids but I would need the Monkeys behind me if something ever did. There are wonderful people here.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 06, 2009, 07:52:11 PM
Just heard the newsguy say "lets not assume there was an abducter" ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

So many things I can say about that, but all involve language my mother taught me not to use. If I hear one more time she may not have been abducted I will scream! Do you think it is just denial?

I hope I dont offend anyone when I say this, but in the last 2 pressers I watched, I have heard some of the dumbest questions by reporters who should know better.
One today actually did not KNOW the name of the Mobile Home Park..wth?

I hear that. She didn't do it to herself. Some of those news peoples IQ is lower than my 8 year olds. I have seen some pretty dumb ones.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: MuffyBee on April 06, 2009, 07:54:05 PM
I just heard on JVM that the farmers were well aware of the searching of Sandra. That is why the called the LE!  I pray that she is not in there!

Hi Srobbins.  I too pray she's not in there.

Hello and welcome to Scared Monkeys

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Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: mizjay on April 06, 2009, 07:56:30 PM
NO one is saying what I want to read right now. For 10 days we have been looking for this little girl. Flyers being passed, candles being lit, prayers being sent...Why is no one saying this can't possibly be her body because she is still alive?? I am sick right now, I am wanting to throw up or scream but all that is coming out are tears of pain for this poor child.

This is horrible, terrible and terrifying!
TG Not one of Us here want that Bag to be related to Sandra .. You have to know that. We here on Scared Monkeys are here for a reason and that is to offer up factual reporting as events unfold. We do not pride ourselves along with Mainstream media as our only Facts.  Many Monkeys have gone above and beyond ..and are so diligent in the Mission of finding Lost Children. Not looking for a pat on the back. Nor to be anyone's hero. Just amazingly Loving People.
We are all together here  to accumulate knowledge and share with each other for one reason and one reason only " We are Monkeys " Our Mission to Bring the Missing Home.
And if god forbid the Missing are Found and are no longer with us - WE STAND TOGETHER for JUSTICE ..to fight for that Child.. 
We are not Arm Chair Sleuths that have nothing better to do. We Stand Together as A United Front. We are the People  :smt049.. not the Reporters, not the grand standers. We are Moms, Grandmothers, Aunts, Sisters, Fathers, Brothers..  Most of us Wounded somehow in our own lives ..that we are driven to help/aid others ..Because we Can.
We are Monkeys. Your now a Monkey too Tracy Girl. Welcome.







    Really  great  post  Deenie.   You're so right,  being part of SM has heightened my awareness and desire to get involved, look for opportunities to make our universe a more caring, safe place to let our children grow up in.  Along with that, to be a voice of outrage for the innocent ones who are missing or killed.  justice for them often is helped along by a united goal from strangers like us who won't let their cases fade into obscurity.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 06, 2009, 07:58:19 PM
JMO

But seems like a big waste of time, money, people  to  do full crime scene investigation, close the air space and haul the bag back to a lab... W/O  just a little peek into the bag 1st.

SeeYaByeeee



You can bet the farm workers did look inside.. They are poor and it could have been money..
If they really did drag it on shore.. The way it was half sunk in the mud, I question it being drug on shore and if it was I question it being empty, as it would not sunk in the mud. It is heavy

Well there finger prints would have been on it since they dragged it in anyway so I am betting they looked to.

possibly and this would make sense with what the detective said on HLN that the farmer did not even know that the child was missing....unless the detective on HLN misspoke about the farmer not knowing...God knows that happens enough in these cases...
still holding out hope that it is not her in that bag....


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 06, 2009, 07:59:06 PM
^^^^^^ should have said, the farmer not knowing until he looked in the bag...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 08:01:55 PM
Just heard the newsguy say "lets not assume there was an abducter" ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::
Oh for Heaven's sake, if Sandra's little body is in there, how did this man figure she got in there, unless he was alluding to a family member doing something to her.  ::MonkeyEek:: Which I certainly do not feel happened. imo


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 06, 2009, 08:04:24 PM
NO one is saying what I want to read right now. For 10 days we have been looking for this little girl. Flyers being passed, candles being lit, prayers being sent...Why is no one saying this can't possibly be her body because she is still alive?? I am sick right now, I am wanting to throw up or scream but all that is coming out are tears of pain for this poor child.

This is horrible, terrible and terrifying!
TG Not one of Us here want that Bag to be related to Sandra .. You have to know that. We here on Scared Monkeys are here for a reason and that is to offer up factual reporting as events unfold. We do not pride ourselves along with Mainstream media as our only Facts.  Many Monkeys have gone above and beyond ..and are so diligent in the Mission of finding Lost Children. Not looking for a pat on the back. Nor to be anyone's hero. Just amazingly Loving People.
We are all together here  to accumulate knowledge and share with each other for one reason and one reason only " We are Monkeys " Our Mission to Bring the Missing Home.
And if god forbid the Missing are Found and are no longer with us - WE STAND TOGETHER for JUSTICE ..to fight for that Child.. 
We are not Arm Chair Sleuths that have nothing better to do. We Stand Together as A United Front. We are the People  :smt049.. not the Reporters, not the grand standers. We are Moms, Grandmothers, Aunts, Sisters, Fathers, Brothers..  Most of us Wounded somehow in our own lives ..that we are driven to help/aid others ..Because we Can.
We are Monkeys. Your now a Monkey too Tracy Girl. Welcome.





Thank you for such kind words. I came to your sight because you all sounded like experts of sorts on this subject. You are very dedicated, it shows. Thank you for welcoming me. This subject has always been a difficult one for me to face. maybe now I can.
I also want to add, you are all so strong, this is difficult stuff.  I commend your dedication

Tracygirl.. I want her found alive.. I hope they do find her alive.. We have researched many many cases at this site and various others and I think it is always a hope and a prayer that we find a person alive.
 Today we were allowed to view an investigation into a POSIIBLE crime scene.
I hope that this is Not a crime scene. That it was education for us on what happens when LE shows up to investigate a find.

I hope they find Sandra alive and well. It has happened before.. jmho


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 08:04:41 PM
I just heard on JVM that the farmers were well aware of the searching of Sandra. That is why the called the LE!  I pray that she is not in there!
WELCOME SROBBINS  I do also


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 06, 2009, 08:04:57 PM
These newspeople talk stupidly. They don't know, yet they have the on air sign and just fly by the seat of their pants. They are all like that. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 06, 2009, 08:05:42 PM
Just heard the newsguy say "lets not assume there was an abducter" ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::
Oh for Heaven's sake, if Sandra's little body is in there, how did this man figure she got in there, unless he was alluding to a family member doing something to her.  ::MonkeyEek:: Which I certainly do not feel happened. imo

Rosie...I don't feel that the family had anything to do with this either..


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 08:05:44 PM
Excellent post Deenie  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 06, 2009, 08:08:05 PM
Possible even..  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: flossy on April 06, 2009, 08:11:37 PM
These newspeople talk stupidly. They don't know, yet they have the on air sign and just fly by the seat of their pants. They are all like that. 

As usual, I agree with ya, Kat_Gram.  Lots of confusion and reporting of falsehoods results from that practice. 

I'm praying along with the rest of you.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on April 06, 2009, 08:12:56 PM
Just heard the newsguy say "lets not assume there was an abducter" ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

So many things I can say about that, but all involve language my mother taught me not to use. If I hear one more time she may not have been abducted I will scream! Do you think it is just denial?
Becca and Tracy Girl,
I read here, but mostly post on other cases.  But, l think if you know that the reason that the reporters jump and say things like this is because their stations legal departments have cautioned them to the nth degree to not make statements not known as facts.
In addition, many like JVM are attorneys - and they live by innocent until proven guilty - it is in their blood. 
So, try to just in one ear and out another and listen to your heart on what you feel, despite the disclaimers they feel the need to spew.
 This was posted by Deenie above and is so wonderful I am pasting it here for everyone hurting for the first time as a monkey to read again.  TG Not one of Us here want that Bag to be related to Sandra .. You have to know that. We here on Scared Monkeys are here for a reason and that is to offer up factual reporting as events unfold. We do not pride ourselves along with Mainstream media as our only Facts.  Many Monkeys have gone above and beyond ..and are so diligent in the Mission of finding Lost Children. Not looking for a pat on the back. Nor to be anyone's hero. Just amazingly Loving People.
We are all together here  to accumulate knowledge and share with each other for one reason and one reason only " We are Monkeys " Our Mission to Bring the Missing Home.
And if god forbid the Missing are Found and are no longer with us - WE STAND TOGETHER for JUSTICE ..to fight for that Child..
We are not Arm Chair Sleuths that have nothing better to do. We Stand Together as A United Front. We are the People  .. not the Reporters, not the grand standers. We are Moms, Grandmothers, Aunts, Sisters, Fathers, Brothers..  Most of us Wounded somehow in our own lives ..that we are driven to help/aid others ..Because we Can.
We are Monkeys. Your now a Monkey too Tracy Girl. Welcome.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: ChihuahuaMom on April 06, 2009, 08:12:57 PM
ok, back from dog class..

being from Calif, I looked up some local news stations...

www.kcra.com is reporting that the container should be opened around 8pm, PST


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 08:16:50 PM
ok, back from dog class..

being from Calif, I looked up some local news stations...

www.kcra.com is reporting that the container should be opened around 8pm, PST

Thanks.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 08:21:17 PM
Yes ...  ::MonkeyCool::
One thing we all share is Monkey Pride
Thanks to all that re-posted my words.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 08:21:44 PM
ok, back from dog class..

being from Calif, I looked up some local news stations...

www.kcra.com is reporting that the container should be opened around 8pm, PST
Thanks, why would they wait that long  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: faith1109 on April 06, 2009, 08:24:47 PM
ok, back from dog class..

being from Calif, I looked up some local news stations...

www.kcra.com is reporting that the container should be opened around 8pm, PST

Thanks.

I truly hate to say this, but I don't like the way whatever is in the container is shaped.  From what I can tell in moo it looks like it is full and heavy.  I won't elaborate more than that out of respect.  If this is the type of suitcase it appears to be those usually buckle in when empty because they are constructed out of heavy canvas. Praying that's not what it appears to be and much love to all those waiting with baited breath as I am.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 08:24:58 PM
Welcome Home A News Junkie


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 08:30:14 PM
ok, back from dog class..

being from Calif, I looked up some local news stations...

www.kcra.com is reporting that the container should be opened around 8pm, PST
Thanks, why would they wait that long  ::MonkeyConfused::
No Rose my guess is that Someone led LE to this scene via a Tip and it was not just the Farm Workers reporting a strange container. I think they are trying to keep it all intact prior to touching it .. opening it .. for Forensics. :(


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 06, 2009, 08:30:29 PM
Welcome Home A News Junkie

yeah welcome home...Newsie...

Why would they wait so long to see what is in that suitcase? there is a family grieving and on pins and needles waiting for word...never mind us monkeys who also want to know.. bless Sandra....what takes so darn long on these things??


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on April 06, 2009, 08:32:36 PM
ok, back from dog class..

being from Calif, I looked up some local news stations...

www.kcra.com is reporting that the container should be opened around 8pm, PST

Thanks.
Does that make this about 11pm EST?  or 10?  If I open one more window to find out, my poor computer might crash.  Also, does this station often have a live link?
Hugs for those in Tracy.

Deenie - Good to be home! 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 08:33:37 PM
This Suitcase "container" may not even be related to Sandra ..but another Case that is and has been on going. We do not know. There is a reason though why LE did not open it yet.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on April 06, 2009, 08:35:47 PM
Welcome Home A News Junkie

yeah welcome home...Newsie...

Why would they wait so long to see what is in that suitcase? there is a family grieving and on pins and needles waiting for word...never mind us monkeys who also want to know.. bless Sandra....what takes so darn long on these things??
Thanks!
My guess, they have built in time to 1.  Remove the container from the eyes of cameras.  If (God forbid) this is a crime scene, it is contained to that container.  2.  Time to run mitochondrial dna maybe 3. Time to notify family 4. Bring in anyone they don't want to run.  Those would be my guesses.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 08:35:52 PM
News Junkie
I am on Eastern but with the Spring Back time change .. I am not Sure

Klaas .. pacific Time ??? If its on the air at 8 pac what time Eastern ???

10pm or 11pm ??



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 06, 2009, 08:37:32 PM
Welcome Home A News Junkie


DITTO.
Wink from Blink news junkie


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 08:41:15 PM
News Junkie [ Pacific Time right Now is 5:40pm - Our Time Eastern 8:40pm]

3 hours .. so 11 pm our Time we will see it .. News live on the findings


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 08:43:28 PM
HLN is reporting that it's a duffel-type bag.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 08:48:58 PM
News Junkie
I am on Eastern but with the Spring Back time change .. I am not Sure

Klaas .. pacific Time ??? If its on the air at 8 pac what time Eastern ???

10pm or 11pm ??



8pm Pacific time will be 11pm ET and 10PM Central and maybe 9PM Mountain but I'm never sure about Mountain, LOL

Right now it's 5:48pm in California



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on April 06, 2009, 08:49:26 PM
News Junkie [ Pacific Time right Now is 5:40pm - Our Time Eastern 8:40pm]

3 hours .. so 11 pm our Time we will see it .. News live on the findings

Deenie -Thank you!  Have it bookmarked.

Blink - Thank you, mean a ton to me.  A wink blink - I feel honored!  I am sure you are multi-tasking to the max as am I.  Trying to hear jail interviews on Caylee - before they get taken down from biassss motion.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 09:10:10 PM
I see there is no news until at least 11 eastern 10 central, imagine how we are feeling here today & being her family...I cant fathom that level of agony.  So many case, so much torture and all as the result of individuals that chose to be monsters!   I'm gonna go rest one humdinger of a headache and check back later.   I lit a candle & will continue to pray...wrapping a hugg around all of our monkey friends I know its been a very difficult day to get thru.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 06, 2009, 09:12:41 PM
get some rest Cappy and hope that your headache goes away...

I can not fathom the agony that the families of these missing kids are going through either...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 09:14:31 PM
I agree  - I think I have been through every Emotion possible today.
I have been Chasing Every bit of news on Sandra Cantu even when I am not in the Cage.
First thing every am - I check the news for any leads on Sandra.
It Eats at me. That this little girl went Poof .. with all that they do know of her last hours seen on camera and all.  ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: ChihuahuaMom on April 06, 2009, 09:20:11 PM
try this link for updates  www.kcra.com    ...it says it was just updated at 6:16 PST, which is 2 hrs behind me, but I read it and it hasn't changed


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: TxLady2 on April 06, 2009, 09:23:10 PM
Just heard the newsguy say "lets not assume there was an abducter" ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

So many things I can say about that, but all involve language my mother taught me not to use. If I hear one more time she may not have been abducted I will scream! Do you think it is just denial?
Becca and Tracy Girl,
I read here, but mostly post on other cases.  But, l think if you know that the reason that the reporters jump and say things like this is because their stations legal departments have cautioned them to the nth degree to not make statements not known as facts.
In addition, many like JVM are attorneys - and they live by innocent until proven guilty - it is in their blood. 
So, try to just in one ear and out another and listen to your heart on what you feel, despite the disclaimers they feel the need to spew.
 This was posted by Deenie above and is so wonderful I am pasting it here for everyone hurting for the first time as a monkey to read again.  TG Not one of Us here want that Bag to be related to Sandra .. You have to know that. We here on Scared Monkeys are here for a reason and that is to offer up factual reporting as events unfold. We do not pride ourselves along with Mainstream media as our only Facts.  Many Monkeys have gone above and beyond ..and are so diligent in the Mission of finding Lost Children. Not looking for a pat on the back. Nor to be anyone's hero. Just amazingly Loving People.
We are all together here  to accumulate knowledge and share with each other for one reason and one reason only " We are Monkeys " Our Mission to Bring the Missing Home.
And if god forbid the Missing are Found and are no longer with us - WE STAND TOGETHER for JUSTICE ..to fight for that Child..
We are not Arm Chair Sleuths that have nothing better to do. We Stand Together as A United Front. We are the People  .. not the Reporters, not the grand standers. We are Moms, Grandmothers, Aunts, Sisters, Fathers, Brothers..  Most of us Wounded somehow in our own lives ..that we are driven to help/aid others ..Because we Can.
We are Monkeys. Your now a Monkey too Tracy Girl. Welcome.


Yes, that was a wonderful and heartfelt post...... But... JVM is NOT an attorney. Sorry. I heard her say that myself.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 06, 2009, 09:24:57 PM
no...JVM is not an attorney from what I have heard her say time and again...

did anyone read her book? I haven;t finished it yet..
Secrets can be Murder or something like that...don't have it in front of me...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on April 06, 2009, 09:39:17 PM
no...JVM is not an attorney from what I have heard her say time and again...

did anyone read her book? I haven;t finished it yet..
Secrets can be Murder or something like that...don't have it in front of me...
Gads.............see what happens when you have too many potatoes in the pot!  Meant nancy grace!  But, come to think of it JMV does try to act like she plays one on tv - she is more cautious than Nancy! LOL


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 09:41:58 PM
no...JVM is not an attorney from what I have heard her say time and again...

did anyone read her book? I haven;t finished it yet..
Secrets can be Murder or something like that...don't have it in front of me...
I do enjoy JVM for her spirit and her person. We have to know that READS off a Teleprompter for the "facts" that she speaks ..as late breaking news. That pi@@es me off though .. Because she Reads and does not investigate first. In my mind that is not a true reporter. A reporter investigates and then tells .. jmo.
Her words are so behind so many times .. too many times ..as She spews them to the world as " Just found out"... NO its old and its not even correct .. what she drops as Bombshells.. too many times.

So I don't watch her for that reason. She has turned into a media robot.
The other thing that just IRKs me and this is just me.. its her Metal lip gloss. Oh gawd.
It just makes her mouth look bigger ... too much like a Great White shark with Metal gloss ..on top.
I don't get the lip gloss thing ..in Media reporting. Its not complimentary on women in media.. nor in real life... when all you see is Lip gloss first .then the face after the fact ..   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 06, 2009, 09:45:29 PM
^^^^ Deenie..you're funny...


gonna log off now Monkees....
that show Castle is coming on at 9...love that show...that guy on there is so hot!
anyway, gonna get my mind off of this for an hour or so...will check on the news at 10 to see if there is any news..
God bless Sandra and all missing children...hope that they are found soon...

thanks for caring about missing kids you all...
good nite....talk to you tomorrow...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 09:46:30 PM
^^^^ Deenie..you're funny...


gonna log off now Monkees....
that show Castle is coming on at 9...love that show...that guy on there is so hot!
anyway, gonna get my mind off of this for an hour or so...will check on the news at 10 to see if there is any news..
God bless Sandra and all missing children...hope that they are found soon...

thanks for caring about missing kids you all...
good nite....talk to you tomorrow...
Cookie
((Hugs))


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on April 06, 2009, 09:53:29 PM
^^^^ Deenie..you're funny...


gonna log off now Monkees....
that show Castle is coming on at 9...love that show...that guy on there is so hot!
anyway, gonna get my mind off of this for an hour or so...will check on the news at 10 to see if there is any news..
God bless Sandra and all missing children...hope that they are found soon...

thanks for caring about missing kids you all...
good nite....talk to you tomorrow...
Nights!  Love Castle and Lie To Me.  Both great shows.
Deenie - you are funny.  My pet peeve is that JVM and Nancy and many reporters act like 8th grade girls at the lunch table - they are so worried about what they want to say, THEY FORGET TO LISTEN - grrrrrrrr.  They miss the follow up questions that might be news.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 06, 2009, 10:01:27 PM

http://tracypress.com/content/view/17735/2268/

there will be another presser tonight at eight pm on the container.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Wyks on April 06, 2009, 10:04:05 PM
"Tracy PD: No Indication Of Body In Luggage"

http://www.kcra.com/news/19110332/detail.html (http://www.kcra.com/news/19110332/detail.html)

<snipped>

Tracy police said farmworkers found a black, sealed case Monday while they were draining a pond near Bacchetti Road, about two miles from Orchard Estates.

It was a black piece of luggage of significant size with both hard and soft sides.

"There are no indications that there are human remains in there," Tracy police spokesman Sgt. Tony Sheneman said.

[A van carrying the container drives from the scene.]

Officials in white suits removed the luggage from the pond shortly after 5 p.m. It was loaded into a van and driven to the San Joaquin County Sheriff's Office in French Camp.

"We don't know what's in there, if there's anything or nothing," Sheneman said.

----------------------------------------

Just curious, why they are saying there's "no indication" of a body in there, yet seem to be making a big thing of this by waiting for so long, getting their ducks in a row? 
They obviously have their suspicions, cuz they've handled everything so very carefully.  Which is a good thing, if that bag turns out to be evidence in someone's case, if not Sandra's. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 10:05:27 PM

http://tracypress.com/content/view/17735/2268/

there will be another presser tonight at eight pm on the container.

Yep, thanks Pink Angel

UPDATE: Announcement expected       
Written by TP staff     
Monday, 06 April 2009 
 

The Tracy Police Department have said they'll have a press conference at 8 tonight to report the latest findings regarding a suspicious container found this morning.

 
Sgt. Tony Sheneman at a press conference earlier today off Tracy Boulevard, north of Tracy. Justin Lafferty/Tracy PressTracy police have brought in an FBI evidence team to examine a suspicious black container found this morning in an irrigation pond north of town.

The container was moved to an undisclosed location, Sgt. Tony Sheneman said. According to news reports, it was transported to the county coroner's office in French Camp.

Sheneman said the container will be opened sometime tonight and said his next press conference will be at 8 p.m. 

Farmworkers discovered the container in a pond that had been drained for the first time in two weeks and called San Joaquin Sheriff's Department at 10:30 a.m. today.

The Tracy Police Department was called, and an immediate roadblock was set up on Tracy Boulevard, close to Bacchetti and Whitehall roads, about two miles north of the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, where 8-year-old Sandra Cantu was reported missing on March 27.

Sheneman said there is no indication that there is a body inside the container; however, a coroner's van arrived at the farm off Tracy Boulevard around 3 p.m.


 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on April 06, 2009, 10:13:53 PM
Eeee gads, Klaas - that last report doesn't sound good at all.  Coroner's office.  :-(   I was kinda hoping they were being careful thinking it could be toxic materials or something, but I think I just felt my heart in my knees. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 10:23:46 PM
Eeee gads, Klaas - that last report doesn't sound good at all.  Coroner's office.  :-(   I was kinda hoping they were being careful thinking it could be toxic materials or something, but I think I just felt my heart in my knees. 

Well let's just wait and see.  It all may be just for precaution.  Hopefully they will tell us more at 8pm.  My guess is that it's unmistakable that something is in the bag.  That does not mean it's Sandra, could be an animal?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on April 06, 2009, 10:27:24 PM
Eeee gads, Klaas - that last report doesn't sound good at all.  Coroner's office.  :-(   I was kinda hoping they were being careful thinking it could be toxic materials or something, but I think I just felt my heart in my knees. 

Well let's just wait and see.  It all may be just for precaution.  Hopefully they will tell us more at 8pm.  My guess is that it's unmistakable that something is in the bag.  That does not mean it's Sandra, could be an animal?
Yep - all we can do.  Not giving up hope.  That is why heart only at knees and not feet.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 06, 2009, 10:35:27 PM
Eeee gads, Klaas - that last report doesn't sound good at all.  Coroner's office.  :-(   I was kinda hoping they were being careful thinking it could be toxic materials or something, but I think I just felt my heart in my knees. 

Well let's just wait and see.  It all may be just for precaution.  Hopefully they will tell us more at 8pm.  My guess is that it's unmistakable that something is in the bag.  That does not mean it's Sandra, could be an animal?

There was a story the other day of a man missing in stockton, not sure if he was ever found...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 10:42:21 PM
From a bit earlier when they were removing it:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/BagRemove.jpg)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on April 06, 2009, 10:45:17 PM
4 people carrying it - that is hopeful.  15 minutes - guess I better get that link up.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 10:46:32 PM
4 people carrying it - that is hopeful.  15 minutes - guess I better get that link up.

I don't have the link, can you post it?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 06, 2009, 10:46:47 PM
There are 4 men handling that garment/suitcase. 2 on each side. I am guessing saying anymore than that will get me the Captain Obvious award.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 06, 2009, 10:47:19 PM
I have to wait and see .. 11pm is soon. My brain is stuffed on over load. Ever see the Movie Powder .. I feel like I am person that is like him. I feel everything 10 times harder than the normal person .. My body actually hurts right now ..Just from following the news of what is possible .. this Container ..   ::MonkeyNoNo:: .. I am waiting .. not wanting to find out actually.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on April 06, 2009, 10:48:31 PM
4 people carrying it - that is hopeful.  15 minutes - guess I better get that link up.

I don't have the link, can you post it?
http://www.kcra.com/index.html
I am refreshing this as someone said earlier they think they will carry it live.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on April 06, 2009, 10:50:09 PM
There are 4 men handling that garment/suitcase. 2 on each side. I am guessing saying anymore than that will get me the Captain Obvious award.

Jinx!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 06, 2009, 10:50:37 PM
So are you thinking maybe it is too heavy to be a little girl? Sorry, my brain is on lock out right now.

So you all do this with every case? Bless your hearts, what a job you do.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 10:51:36 PM
4 people carrying it - that is hopeful.  15 minutes - guess I better get that link up.

I don't have the link, can you post it?
http://www.kcra.com/index.html
I am refreshing this as someone said earlier they think they will carry it live.

THANK YOU!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on April 06, 2009, 10:54:22 PM
4 people carrying it - that is hopeful.  15 minutes - guess I better get that link up.

I don't have the link, can you post it?
http://www.kcra.com/index.html
I am refreshing this as someone said earlier they think they will carry it live.

THANK YOU!
The story page has a video window:  http://www.kcra.com/news/19110332/detail.html  So I am toggling it (the story page) watching the top for click for live coverage and the homepage.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 06, 2009, 10:56:54 PM
So are you thinking maybe it is too heavy to be a little girl? Sorry, my brain is on lock out right now.

So you all do this with every case? Bless your hearts, what a job you do.


Some of us have been in the Natalee Holloway thread for almost four years.  Red, the owner of this site, lived in Aruba when he was young so that case caught his eye immediately and he was among the first to start coverage.

We are still here seeking justice for Natalee.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on April 06, 2009, 10:59:22 PM
This might work:  http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=6740373


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 10:59:43 PM
Hey ya everyone

I came back for the presser....they are setting up now  at direct link
http://www.kcra.com/video/9292412/index.html

It seems jovial in the room nothing for nothing


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 06, 2009, 11:00:13 PM
I have activity on the video.  Appears to be inside a public room.

Is this current?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 11:01:42 PM
http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/

another live presser link


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on April 06, 2009, 11:04:10 PM
This might work:  http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=6740373

I am going to go find a rock to hide under.  That is for 11am.  I am not finding anything showing live.  Anyone???


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 06, 2009, 11:04:36 PM
So are you thinking maybe it is too heavy to be a little girl? Sorry, my brain is on lock out right now.

So you all do this with every case? Bless your hearts, what a job you do.


And every time we say we won't get involved and give our heart away again but we do.  How can one not when this is happening to our children.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 06, 2009, 11:04:44 PM
That is the city council chambers. I was thinking it does seem like people are having a good time.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 06, 2009, 11:05:50 PM
This might work:  http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=6740373

I am going to go find a rock to hide under.  That is for 11am.  I am not finding anything showing live.  Anyone???



http://www.kcra.com/video/9292412/index.html

is working.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 11:06:39 PM
I like the KCRA link, it's more fun!  They haven't a clue that they are broadcasting right now.

http://www.kcra.com/video/9292412/index.html


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on April 06, 2009, 11:06:44 PM
http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/

another live presser link
This one seems good.  I heard her do test.  Sitting on the podium is a flyer for Sandra.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 11:07:39 PM
That is the city council chambers. I was thinking it does seem like people are having a good time.

yea I said that too but these are all press people setting up



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 11:08:36 PM
http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/

another live presser link
This one seems good.  I heard her do test.  Sitting on the podium is a flyer for Sandra.

There ya go

OK Im sending huggs to everyone, my heart is in my throat


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 06, 2009, 11:10:23 PM
Anyone familiar with the Denise Hubert story? It was in the 90's


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Hiding Monkey on April 06, 2009, 11:11:22 PM
Hi all.  Been lurking for quite a while.  Can we all take a minute and say a prayer for Sandra's family?  Today has to have been a bad one for them regardless.  Thanks!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 11:14:26 PM
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/mslaitte/GREETINGS/BLESS-PRAYERS/CROSSpinkFloralGlitMS.gif)

Praying for Sandra & her family


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 06, 2009, 11:15:14 PM
Anyone familiar with the Denise Hubert story? It was in the 90's


I am not from memory but I have the dumb right now in anticipation on this presser.

There is a Donna Ju thread and one monkey, IBE, has really tried to help for a long time.  Trial coming up now I believe.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: flossy on April 06, 2009, 11:17:42 PM
Hi all.  Been lurking for quite a while.  Can we all take a minute and say a prayer for Sandra's family?  Today has to have been a bad one for them regardless.  Thanks!

Good point, HM.  Even if it does turn out to be something other than their beautiful girl, they've been through sheer hell and today had to have been nothing but pure agony.

Praying for them now....


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 06, 2009, 11:18:28 PM
In Tracy we are all praying and sending as much strength as we can to her family and friends. The children Sandra goes to school with are suffering and scared. Her classmates have made the most precious posters for her, I pray for them  too. Their young lives will never be the same...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: BluesyGram on April 06, 2009, 11:19:34 PM
Anyone familiar with the Denise Hubert story? It was in the 90's


Is that the girl that had car trouble, was kidnapped and eventually found in a freezer inside of a rented truck?



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on April 06, 2009, 11:20:44 PM
Tracygirl,
I know you are new here, so in case you are new to live streams on the internet - if your stream cuts off - refresh.  It will warn you in tiny letters to click here to continue after about 5-10 minutes.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 06, 2009, 11:21:06 PM
OK. . . they are 20 minutes late with this presser!  It's not as though they didn't know it was going to happen.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 11:21:48 PM
PRESSER JUST ANNOUNCE FOR 8:40 PM

20 minutes


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on April 06, 2009, 11:21:49 PM
Sounded like it is now at 8:40


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 11:21:58 PM
Press conference has been pushed back to 8:40pm

http://www.kcra.com/video/9292412/index.html


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 06, 2009, 11:22:22 PM
Someone just stepped to the microphone and said the presser would be at 8:40.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Nut44x4 on April 06, 2009, 11:22:23 PM
8:40 ...  ::MonkeyWaa:: that is 11:40 4 me  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: islandmonkey on April 06, 2009, 11:22:27 PM
Anyone familiar with the Denise Hubert story? It was in the 90's

Was she the one found in a freezer of a truck or storage.....IIRC, the LE found ablerunning outside to the freezer???? Am I remembering the same case?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: mymonkey on April 06, 2009, 11:22:33 PM
did they find anything  im behind,

 thank you


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Wyks on April 06, 2009, 11:22:45 PM
OK. . . they are 20 minutes late with this presser!  It's not as though they didn't know it was going to happen.



LOL  It's that 'hurry up and wait' syndrome! 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: GramaMonkey on April 06, 2009, 11:23:54 PM
http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/

another live presser link
This one seems good.  I heard her do test.  Sitting on the podium is a flyer for Sandra.

There ya go

OK Im sending huggs to everyone, my heart is in my throat

Just heard on your link Capp...that the news conference will be at 8:40 pst


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pinkbanana on April 06, 2009, 11:25:34 PM
Hi all.  Been lurking for quite a while.  Can we all take a minute and say a prayer for Sandra's family?  Today has to have been a bad one for them regardless.  Thanks!

Praying .

pb


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 11:26:42 PM
Hi all.  Been lurking for quite a while.  Can we all take a minute and say a prayer for Sandra's family?  Today has to have been a bad one for them regardless.  Thanks!

Praying .

pb
Me too, I hate this waiting.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 11:29:27 PM
Hi all.  Been lurking for quite a while.  Can we all take a minute and say a prayer for Sandra's family?  Today has to have been a bad one for them regardless.  Thanks!

Praying .

pb
Me too, I hate this waiting.

O my there you are I was just gonna hit reply and ask if you were here, its like your read my mind...huggs


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 11:30:43 PM
Hi all.  Been lurking for quite a while.  Can we all take a minute and say a prayer for Sandra's family?  Today has to have been a bad one for them regardless.  Thanks!

Praying .

pb
Me too, I hate this waiting.

O my there you are I was just gonna hit reply and ask if you were here, its like your read my mind...huggs

Hope your head is better, been a very trying day today  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 11:31:27 PM
The waiting is hard

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/courtroom.jpg)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Maven on April 06, 2009, 11:31:28 PM
Prayers for Sandra and family.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 11:32:40 PM
Hi all.  Been lurking for quite a while.  Can we all take a minute and say a prayer for Sandra's family?  Today has to have been a bad one for them regardless.  Thanks!

Praying .

pb
Me too, I hate this waiting.

O my there you are I was just gonna hit reply and ask if you were here, its like your read my mind...huggs

Hope your head is better, been a very trying day today  ::MonkeyWaa::

A tad better, it sure has.   I hope your tummy is doing ok...waiting for this presser this late is just the icing on that trying day.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 11:32:53 PM
I"m praying it's not her.  If it's her, I'm praying they are arresting the monster that hurt her.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 11:33:02 PM
The waiting is hard

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/courtroom.jpg)
All the cute monkeys, Sandra's aunt was holding a monkey, said Sandra always slept with it.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Hiding Monkey on April 06, 2009, 11:33:14 PM
In Tracy we are all praying and sending as much strength as we can to her family and friends. The children Sandra goes to school with are suffering and scared. Her classmates have made the most precious posters for her, I pray for them  too. Their young lives will never be the same...
I've included all of you in my prayer.  We have to have each other to pull strength from.  Know that you're in many people's prayers.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 11:33:30 PM
The waiting is hard

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/courtroom.jpg)


O Klaas that is beautiful & sentimental...yup us monkeys are with her & her family.   


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 11:33:35 PM
I"m praying it's not her.  If it's her, I'm praying they are arresting the monster that hurt her.

ITA


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 06, 2009, 11:34:25 PM
Klaas,

Yes, we monkeys are there in spirit and in prayer just like you posted.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on April 06, 2009, 11:34:36 PM
The waiting is hard

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/courtroom.jpg)
Klaas - did you just see that guy walk behind the council desk and take our picture? LOL
Guess for Tracy, all this national media is a big event.  He looked like a camera man or reporter - the bag on shoulder!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 11:35:23 PM
In Tracy we are all praying and sending as much strength as we can to her family and friends. The children Sandra goes to school with are suffering and scared. Her classmates have made the most precious posters for her, I pray for them  too. Their young lives will never be the same...
I've included all of you in my prayer.  We have to have each other to pull strength from.  Know that you're in many people's prayers.
I can just imagine how upset her little friends and classmates must be.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Stacey on April 06, 2009, 11:36:25 PM
The waiting is hard

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/courtroom.jpg)

Awww thanks so much Klaas
I'm praying for this family
God Bless them

monkey hugs


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 06, 2009, 11:36:38 PM
mms://a1181.l2198251180.c21982.n.lm.akamaistream.net/D/1181/21982/v0001/reflector:51180

This link works GREAT!

It opens window media player and plays through there. No freezing of flash players.


Praying for little Sandra and her family.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pinkbanana on April 06, 2009, 11:37:15 PM
I"m praying it's not her.  If it's her, I'm praying they are arresting the monster that hurt her.

Me too Klaas....my stomach is in knots.... I am here crying BEGGING My Lord to help us protect our children.

pb


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 11:37:28 PM
In Tracy we are all praying and sending as much strength as we can to her family and friends. The children Sandra goes to school with are suffering and scared. Her classmates have made the most precious posters for her, I pray for them  too. Their young lives will never be the same...
I've included all of you in my prayer.  We have to have each other to pull strength from.  Know that you're in many people's prayers.
I can just imagine how upset her little friends and classmates must be.

I know...and the parents of these children...if this is her and they dont have a suspect, that would be a terrible feeling for the parents in that community   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 06, 2009, 11:39:39 PM
The waiting is hard

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/courtroom.jpg)

This brought a tear to my eye. All of us monkeys having a voice for and watching over all the missing little angels.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Nut44x4 on April 06, 2009, 11:39:44 PM
awwwwww I like that Klaas! We are cute, eh??  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: ChihuahuaMom on April 06, 2009, 11:40:02 PM
presser in like 1 minute....I dont have the link but it's the station that had no sound before


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 11:40:03 PM
O gosh...my heart is beating so fast I hear it in my ears    We're late again


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 11:41:05 PM
It's 8:40  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 11:41:44 PM
O gosh...my heart is beating so fast I hear it in my ears    We're late again
I know, wonder what is going on?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Hiding Monkey on April 06, 2009, 11:42:03 PM
The more these things go on the madder I get.  We've got to start doing more as a society now.  These things are getting more and more out of hand and these men are not afraid?  Sandra's classmates shouldn't have to go through this.  I'm being to believe that maybe vigelantism (spelling may be wrong) might need to come back in these cases!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 11:42:46 PM
O gosh...my heart is beating so fast I hear it in my ears    We're late again
I know, wonder what is going on?

 I dont want to venture a guess, but my mind tells me if it was nothing why the hold up....I pray Im wrong so very much


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: GramaMonkey on April 06, 2009, 11:43:04 PM
The waiting is hard

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/courtroom.jpg)

This brought a tear to my eye. All of us monkeys having a voice for and watching over all the missing little angels.

(http://i544.photobucket.com/albums/hh340/JustMe_029/thloveandhugmonkeypeg.gif)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Nut44x4 on April 06, 2009, 11:43:22 PM
this sucks WAAAAAAAA


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 11:44:24 PM
Get ready


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 11:44:32 PM
Looks like people must be in the door ready to enter - media has cameras up


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 06, 2009, 11:45:04 PM
Thanks for sending the monkey's, my town can feel the prayers coming in.


We also need our police force to finally arrest or name the people who are in the child porn ring here in town! 60 people suspected of downloading and sharing child porn and they are free to prey on our children.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 11:45:05 PM
OMG family members there?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 11:45:20 PM
oh this cant be good   ::MonkeyWaa:: 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 06, 2009, 11:45:32 PM
KRON is showing pictures of what looks like family crying in the corner trying to hide from media.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: flossy on April 06, 2009, 11:45:48 PM
OMG family members there?
Whoa.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 06, 2009, 11:46:13 PM
OMG family members there?

ABC just scrolled across the screen it was her body! Oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 11:46:22 PM
OMG family members there?

I was gonna ask the same, in tears.  The one girl looked familiar, I thought it was mom but wasnt sure


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 11:46:50 PM
OMG family members there?

ABC just scrolled across the screen it was her body! Oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!!
::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyWaa::



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 11:47:53 PM
O dear merciful God, NO!    Give her wings lord, and give us what we need to bring the monster that did this to justice!  Huggs to the monkeys  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 11:47:57 PM
OMG family members there?

ABC just scrolled across the screen it was her body! Oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How very horrible, prayers for Sandra's family and friends.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: lady on April 06, 2009, 11:48:07 PM
OMG family members there?

ABC just scrolled across the screen it was her body! Oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!!
::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyWaa::


O dear god


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: MuffyBee on April 06, 2009, 11:48:08 PM
I'm so sorry.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Wyks on April 06, 2009, 11:48:19 PM
I lived in Sacramento for over 40 years.  Channel 10 news has always had the best coverage, by far.  Altho it appears that all three stations are there, covering this presser, I don't see the video live for ch13 yet. 

Channel 3:
http://www.kcra.com/video/9292412/index.html (http://www.kcra.com/video/9292412/index.html)

Channel 10:
http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/ (http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/)

Channel 13:
http://cbs13.com/ (http://cbs13.com/)




Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 11:49:07 PM
the only reason i can think of for family being there is to make some kind of plea to the public..???


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 11:49:28 PM
Thanks Wyks


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 06, 2009, 11:49:46 PM
http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_local_headlines/?Police-Sources-Sandra-Cantus-Body-Recove=1&blockID=260015&feedID=190

Police Sources: Sandra Cantu's Body Recovered From Luggage


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pinkbanana on April 06, 2009, 11:50:16 PM
OMG family members there?

ABC just scrolled across the screen it was her body! Oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!!
::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyWaa::



Oh no....poor baby!

pb


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: flossy on April 06, 2009, 11:50:25 PM
OMG family members there?

ABC just scrolled across the screen it was her body! Oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!!
::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyWaa::



What??  Oh, man.  I'm not sure why the family would be there as you'd think they would have been discussing matters in private with LE. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 11:50:27 PM
Tracygirl - I haven't seen that anywhere else yet so let's just wait and see.  Media has been known to be wrong before.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 06, 2009, 11:50:55 PM
They could be wrong.

Until I hear it from official they could just be wrong.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: ChihuahuaMom on April 06, 2009, 11:51:05 PM
Thanks Wyks

yes, thanks..........gosh what is taking so long?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Nut44x4 on April 06, 2009, 11:51:15 PM
3 more mins  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: flossy on April 06, 2009, 11:51:43 PM
Whoops. Never mind.  A plea to the public would make sense.  Oh, I hope it's all wrong.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 11:51:47 PM
3 MINUTES TIL PRESSER


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 11:52:22 PM
Whoops. Never mind.  A plea to the public would make sense.  Oh, I hope it's all wrong.

me too and it very well may be.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 06, 2009, 11:53:00 PM
http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/?GID=ikLn63BCf5VZ/yrCDF+ZHouuGGx0Hju6z1LGFpgPwLY%3D

TRACY - Sources within local law enforcement tell FOX40 News the body of 8-year-old Sandra Cantu was recovered from inside a piece of luggage pulled from a drained irrigation ditch north of Tracy.

Bless this little angel and her family.
Justice for Sandra, please LE. Arrest her killer.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 11:53:07 PM
3 MINUTES TIL PRESSER

Heard that before  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on April 06, 2009, 11:54:44 PM
Rest in Peace Little Sandra.  Fly with our angels Natalee and Caylee.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Maven on April 06, 2009, 11:54:57 PM
Tracygirl - I haven't seen that anywhere else yet so let's just wait and see.  Media has been known to be wrong before.

I can not even imagine being that poor child's family, I'm crying here.

Prayers and JUSTICE for Sandra and Family.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 11:55:01 PM
CONFIRMED, Cantu family the country is with you in prayer


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 11:55:17 PM
It's her, omg, how sad





Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Wyks on April 06, 2009, 11:55:44 PM
 ::MonkeyWaa::   ::MonkeyWaa:: 

My heart goes out to Sandra's family and friends.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: kippy on April 06, 2009, 11:56:14 PM
Oh sweet Jesus, how awful.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: ChihuahuaMom on April 06, 2009, 11:56:42 PM
very sad


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Stacey on April 06, 2009, 11:56:53 PM
God Bless Sandra and her family



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 11:56:59 PM
Rest in Peace Sandra, prayers for your family and friends.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 06, 2009, 11:57:01 PM
this is so sad.

the good news is it looked like they did a great job at the crime scene.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2009, 11:57:32 PM
NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/06/sandra-cantu-found-deceased-in-suitcase/

SANDRA CANTU FOUND DECEASED IN SUITCASE




Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 11:58:08 PM
They have to know some rather obvious facts, they are just not saying right now.     OK  Now catch this monster!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Nut44x4 on April 06, 2009, 11:58:25 PM
how very sad   :cry:


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 06, 2009, 11:58:49 PM
NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/06/sandra-cantu-found-deceased-in-suitcase/

SANDRA CANTU FOUND DECEASED IN SUITCASE



Thank-you


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 06, 2009, 11:59:13 PM
 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 06, 2009, 11:59:46 PM
NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/06/sandra-cantu-found-deceased-in-suitcase/

SANDRA CANTU FOUND DECEASED IN SUITCASE



Thank-you

Bless you Blink, I know that had to be very difficult to write at this time


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Maven on April 07, 2009, 12:00:09 AM
They have to know some rather obvious facts, they are just not saying right now.     OK  Now catch this monster!

IA Please catch that monster!

Prayers for Sandra and family.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pinkbanana on April 07, 2009, 12:00:48 AM
This is so sad...when is this going to stop!
Rest in peace sweet little angel.

pb


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 07, 2009, 12:01:40 AM
this is so sad.

the good news is it looked like they did a great job at the crime scene.


That is the sole comfort in all of this.  But when they closed the air space, the knot in the pit of all our stomachs told us this was it.

They did it by the book, to the letter.  And it is documented.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 07, 2009, 12:01:40 AM
I want to know if that white truck is part of the crime scene, ya know the one Klaas that they were marking red flags around


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 07, 2009, 12:01:41 AM
This is so sad...when is this going to stop!
Rest in peace sweet little angel.

pb

i know...i'm so mad at the world right now   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 07, 2009, 12:01:45 AM
It's one of the three.

The single older guy that lived with mom and dad.

The karate guy.

The married dude.


Which is the killer?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 07, 2009, 12:02:58 AM
OMG I was hoping it would not end this way.
My prayers are with her Mumma and her family.
And to all in Tracy who participated in the search for this little girl. Her family is going to need some shoulders and I am sure the community there will be there for them.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 07, 2009, 12:03:12 AM
This is so sad...when is this going to stop!
Rest in peace sweet little angel.

pb

i know...i'm so mad at the world right now   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

I hear ya Leroy, we need to fight to keep these pedes locked up....thats a jumping conclusion right now on my part, but at the same time it seems rather obvious


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2009, 12:03:24 AM
RIP Sweet Sandra


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/SandraCantuFrame.gif)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 07, 2009, 12:03:33 AM
Oh my  god this is horrible. Just horrible that poor little girl... ::MonkeyWaa:: my heart is broken, why did they do this to her? What kind of person does this to a little girl???

I looked for her, I hung fliers, why did we not find her in time????


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 12:03:45 AM
This is so sad...when is this going to stop!
Rest in peace sweet little angel.

pb

i know...i'm so mad at the world right now   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 
I am too, it just never stops.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 07, 2009, 12:04:19 AM
I want to know if that white truck is part of the crime scene, ya know the one Klaas that they were marking red flags around

I'd love to know too.  IMO - i thought it was LE's.  I thought they focused on tire tracks more in front of the truck and not behind it....but the live video also kept switching scenes so i dont know.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 07, 2009, 12:04:22 AM
I am so Angry right now

so so angry

I have no words


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 07, 2009, 12:04:57 AM
Advises parents to watch your children and give them a hug tonight.

3:30 presser tomorrow.

That is 5:30 CT


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A's Fever on April 07, 2009, 12:05:22 AM
Oh God I can't stand this.  8 years old.  RIP sweet girl.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 07, 2009, 12:06:22 AM
This is terrible news.
God rest her soul.
I pray her for her family.. But unlike many, now they know.. Sad 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Wyks on April 07, 2009, 12:06:24 AM
Oh my  god this is horrible. Just horrible that poor little girl... ::MonkeyWaa:: my heart is broken, why did they do this to her? What kind of person does this to a little girl???

I looked for her, I hung fliers, why did we not find her in time????

(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Smilies/hug.gif)

It sounds like you did the best you could.  That's all anyone can ask. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 07, 2009, 12:06:31 AM
Oh my  god this is horrible. Just horrible that poor little girl... ::MonkeyWaa:: my heart is broken, why did they do this to her? What kind of person does this to a little girl???

I looked for her, I hung fliers, why did we not find her in time????

She was probably dead that first night. Poor little angel.

Bless you for all your help.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cecilita on April 07, 2009, 12:06:44 AM
omg, I am so sad. I do not know how thw laws are so soft with the monsters. They should be in jail for ever


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 07, 2009, 12:07:09 AM
Oh my  god this is horrible. Just horrible that poor little girl... ::MonkeyWaa:: my heart is broken, why did they do this to her? What kind of person does this to a little girl???

I looked for her, I hung fliers, why did we not find her in time????

I know no words will be comforting to you right now Tracygirl but my gut tells me this brutal murder of a precious little girl was done within the first 24 hours...you and an entire community did everything they could.    The only one that bares responsibility is the monster who did this.   Im reaching out to you thru my puter screen to give you a hugg


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 07, 2009, 12:07:28 AM
Oh my  god this is horrible. Just horrible that poor little girl... ::MonkeyWaa:: my heart is broken, why did they do this to her? What kind of person does this to a little girl???

I looked for her, I hung fliers, why did we not find her in time????

Bless your heart Tracygirl.

Sadly, she was probably flying with the angels long before she was known to be missing....


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pinkbanana on April 07, 2009, 12:07:33 AM
This is so sad...when is this going to stop!
Rest in peace sweet little angel.

pb

i know...i'm so mad at the world right now   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

I can't take this anymore... I don't know how many times my heart could break...these poor babies.

pb


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 07, 2009, 12:07:52 AM
I want to know if that white truck is part of the crime scene, ya know the one Klaas that they were marking red flags around

I'd love to know too.  IMO - i thought it was LE's.  I thought they focused on tire tracks more in front of the truck and not behind it....but the live video also kept switching scenes so i dont know.

Leroy they said at the presser that they found MANY tire tracks. My guess is that is what the red flags were for. They were marking tire tracks to take pictures/moldings of.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on April 07, 2009, 12:08:17 AM
Oh my  god this is horrible. Just horrible that poor little girl... ::MonkeyWaa:: my heart is broken, why did they do this to her? What kind of person does this to a little girl???

I looked for her, I hung fliers, why did we not find her in time????
Tracy Girl - (((((((((( HUGS)))))))))))))))  You did what you could - and more than most.  Up in heaven - she knows you loved her as a child of God.
Stay with us - we will now work to hang whomever did this.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 12:09:02 AM
I am so Angry right now

so so angry

I have no words

I am so angry also, good night everyone, again my prayers to Sandra's family and friends.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 07, 2009, 12:09:50 AM
I want to know if that white truck is part of the crime scene, ya know the one Klaas that they were marking red flags around

I'd love to know too.  IMO - i thought it was LE's.  I thought they focused on tire tracks more in front of the truck and not behind it....but the live video also kept switching scenes so i dont know.

Leroy they said at the presser that they found MANY tire tracks. My guess is that is what the red flags were for. They were marking tire tracks to take pictures/moldings of.

i think so too.  there was a white truck that they were surrounding quite a bit...not sure if the truck was part of the crime scene or someone in LE.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pinkbanana on April 07, 2009, 12:10:13 AM
omg, I am so sad. I do not know how thw laws are so soft with the monsters. They should be in jail for ever

I AGREE!

pb


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Maven on April 07, 2009, 12:11:12 AM
Oh my  god this is horrible. Just horrible that poor little girl... ::MonkeyWaa:: my heart is broken, why did they do this to her? What kind of person does this to a little girl???

I looked for her, I hung fliers, why did we not find her in time????

Thank you for doing what you could.

I live hundreds of miles away, all I could do was pray. My heart is broken too  ::MonkeyWaa::
Please dear God catch the monster responsible for this horrible crime.  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cecilita on April 07, 2009, 12:11:15 AM
I wish the some parents should be more focus in their kids..... if they knew if a robber was around the neighborhood why they did not keep the baby at home. They put the cameras to protected them from the robbers but they did not check in their little girl after dinner time...so sad....


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: MuffyBee on April 07, 2009, 12:11:28 AM
Good night no rose


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 07, 2009, 12:11:35 AM
I am so Angry right now

so so angry

I have no words

I am so angry also, good night everyone, again my prayers to Sandra's family and friends.

Nite NoRose, monkey huggs


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 07, 2009, 12:11:48 AM
 ::MonkeyWaa::
 I can't stop crying, I drove on that road last weekend searching for signs...Why couldn't we find her? Why? We looked everywhere.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 07, 2009, 12:11:51 AM
I am so Angry right now

so so angry

I have no words


Beyond Prayers for the family ..I share your anger..
A lynch mob sounds good at the moment.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 07, 2009, 12:12:42 AM
I wish the some parents should be more focus in their kids..... if they knew if a robber was around the neighborhood why they did not keep the baby at home. They put the cameras to protected them from the robbers but they did not check in their little girl after dinner time...so sad....

you are so right Cecilita.  if i am ever a parent, my children are going to live what they might consider a very "sheltered" life!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: BluesyGram on April 07, 2009, 12:12:56 AM
RIP Sweet Sandra


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/SandraCantuFrame.gif)



Thanks Klaas, she is so precious.  The only thing that makes this a little easier it that we all have each other to lean on for this.  Thanks to all of you for being here and sharing your wonderful hearts.

The surveilance video keeps playing in my mind of how carefree and happy she seemed that day.  Hopefully Tracy,CA will clean up that area of all the pedo's and the porno's and some other child may be saved.

Prayers for her family, friends and school mates and all of our monkeys.


  


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 07, 2009, 12:13:26 AM
Oh my  god this is horrible. Just horrible that poor little girl... ::MonkeyWaa:: my heart is broken, why did they do this to her? What kind of person does this to a little girl???

I looked for her, I hung fliers, why did we not find her in time????

Tracygirl
I pray that you take your Wits and Your body and You go into this City, your City  and DEMAND something to be "corrected" .. do what you did with your heart with the flyers. You know that there is something going on within Tracy that is not right. Too many things have happened in a short time in your city - with Perps and kids. The schools " teachers" ..I pray to god you bring All Hell down upon the city Officials to make Justice within your community for SANDRA....

Demand it .. You can do it and Spring Can help you. Start Tomorrow and gather People together and Demand to know what the Hell is going on in your Community. That children are being victimized left and right.
These Teachers they are not solely acting .. there are others that are connected to them. Just as there is someone that Sandra knew that lured her into his world within your community.

I am not mad at you Tracygirl - not .. I am just so friggen Mad right now.
I can't even write what I am feeling right now - I would be banned ..
My words not to anyone ..just what I would love to express



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cecilita on April 07, 2009, 12:14:13 AM
::MonkeyWaa::
 I can't stop crying, I drove on that road last weekend searching for signs...Why couldn't we find her? Why? We looked everywhere.
Tracy I believe that you guys make the police to find Sandra's body....God blessyou


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pinkbanana on April 07, 2009, 12:14:38 AM
Tracygirl, I will say a prayer for you too.

So very sad.

pb


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Wyks on April 07, 2009, 12:16:04 AM
I am so Angry right now

so so angry

I have no words

I am so angry also, good night everyone, again my prayers to Sandra's family and friends.

Nite NoRose... hugssssss!! 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 07, 2009, 12:18:35 AM
IN GENERAL not just Tracy  WE need to fight legislators & judges that want to be lenient about pedafiles - monsters that scientifically have been proven not to be curable.    There is no working treatment or meds that work!    I am so sick of having to repeat this over and over again.   Our children are precious, nothing or no one should rise above those considerations EVER!

Accent only because Im rip roaring fuming and heartbroken yet once again along with all of you.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 07, 2009, 12:19:56 AM
what breaks my heart the most is this little girl was crying out for attention...her family members were warning her about being so nice to strangers...neighbors claim she was very friendly with adults....maybe an old fashion game of "Go Fish" with the family..or dinner at the super table....some kind of attention from those that should have been giving it to her!

okay, that sounds like I'm blaming the parents...well, i dont want to do that but to me, the signs were there!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 07, 2009, 12:20:47 AM
I am so Angry right now

so so angry

I have no words


Beyond Prayers for the family ..I share your anger..
A lynch mob sounds good at the moment.
Edward Your a Daddy
Sandra didnt have an Active Father Figure
You know this area of Tracy - You too can make a difference
I wish I was there because I would be Up in Arms ..
Something has to come of this .. something .. not just her Funeral.
Something for Sandra


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pinkbanana on April 07, 2009, 12:21:31 AM
Good nite NoRose....hugs.

pb


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cecilita on April 07, 2009, 12:22:21 AM
Oh my  god this is horrible. Just horrible that poor little girl... ::MonkeyWaa:: my heart is broken, why did they do this to her? What kind of person does this to a little girl???

I looked for her, I hung fliers, why did we not find her in time????

Tracygirl
I pray that you take your Wits and Your body and You go into this City, your City  and DEMAND something to be "corrected" .. do what you did with your heart with the flyers. You know that there is something going on within Tracy that is not right. Too many things have happened in a short time in your city - with Perps and kids. The schools " teachers" ..I pray to god you bring All Hell down upon the city Officials to make Justice within your community for SANDRA....

Demand it .. You can do it and Spring Can help you. Start Tomorrow and gather People together and Demand to know what the Hell is going on in your Community. That children are being victimized left and right.
These Teachers they are not solely acting .. there are others that are connected to them. Just as there is someone that Sandra knew that lured her into his world within your community.

I am not mad at you Tracygirl - not .. I am just so friggen Mad right now.
I can't even write what I am feeling right now - I would be banned ..
My words not to anyone ..just what I would love to express


something is wrong with the sociaty. It is terrible and sad to see every day the kids are being killed by monsters.....I can not imagine how many kids still missing and we do not know because are not in the media everyday as  casey and his crazytubies family ....grrr grrrr


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: danabar on April 07, 2009, 12:24:03 AM
I am so sad right now.  My prayers and thoughts go out to Sandra's family and friends.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on April 07, 2009, 12:24:28 AM
Prayer and Comfort to Sandra's family in this time of need. When someone you love becomes a memory, the memory becomes a treasure. God Bless You Sandra..


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on April 07, 2009, 12:26:41 AM
Good Night Sandra.  Fly with the angels.

Good night monkeys - I recommend we all go do something nice for ourselves, so we can stay strong and help find information to help the police.  We can't help anyone, if we don't take care of ourselves.  I hear a lot of pain and anger and sadness, but for now we need to heal to be there for angle Sandra.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Deenie on April 07, 2009, 12:27:01 AM
Missing Kids
We had a break through years ago John Walsh - Put their faces on Milk Cartons so everyone would know - because almost everyone purchases Milk.
THIS Child is Missing  PHOTO.. If you see me ..call ..Tips anything ..
Those days are gone
Now Children are being treated as Milk Cartons - by Freaks .. I emptied the child and then threw them away ..  :2brickwall:

Klaas pls don't ban me - I stop here with my angry posts. 



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: marymary on April 07, 2009, 12:31:40 AM
God bless little Sandras soul.  This is so sad.  There are too many evil monsters out there.  Eighty sex offenders in that small area.  How can we protect our children???  Than there are the Caseys of the world who kill their own.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 07, 2009, 12:32:03 AM
::MonkeyWaa::
 I can't stop crying, I drove on that road last weekend searching for signs...Why couldn't we find her? Why? We looked everywhere.
Tracy- you are hurting my heart even more. I was you long ago. Please know that your path is your path and you will do good work. And, I am sorry for your pain.

You could not find her either because she was not there, or you were not supposed to.
That is up to divinity.
Sandra, our princess, is where she is safe. I believe that.

Other than that, I got nothing, just know I am where your are.
B



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 07, 2009, 12:33:34 AM
Blink -

Did you hear about the red ribbon on the suitcase?

Only one station reported it and the link is still available through google. Since then the station has "updated" the article and that link no longer includes the information regarding the red ribbon.

Do you think that the police didn't want this "out" there and asked them to retract it because it could be an important clue or do you think it was mis-reporting?

I think it could be a major clue if it's true.

It could match ribbon on like luggage. A person in in the perps circle of family and friends could know about the ribbon etc...

Suitcase Tied With Red Ribbon Found Near Home of Missing Girl
Apr 6, 2009 ... More Related Content. Sandra Cantu; Photo Gallery .... Police are investigating a suitcase with a red ribbon around it that was found ... arrested at LAX after airport screeners allegedly found cocaine in his luggage. ...


http://www.ktla.com/pages/landing_mostinteresting/?Suitcase-Tied-With-Red-Ribbon-Found-Near=1&blockID=252627


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 07, 2009, 12:34:48 AM
The FBI was contacted from the beginning.  We saw a textbook crime scene investigation this afternoon.  I believe LE is doing all that is humanly possible at this point as far as the investigation goes.  This one will likely have an arrest and conviction, I do believe.

But not even that will bring back this child to her life and her family.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 07, 2009, 12:37:33 AM
The FBI was contacted from the beginning.  We saw a textbook crime scene investigation this afternoon.  I believe LE is doing all that is humanly possible at this point as far as the investigation goes.  This one will likely have an arrest and conviction, I do believe.

But not even that will bring back this child to her life and her family.



I'm willing to bet that they have mounds of evidence against whoever did this!  and i think they have a very good idea of who did it.....just my opinion.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Wyks on April 07, 2009, 12:37:47 AM
God bless little Sandras soul.  This is so sad.  There are too many evil monsters out there.  Eighty sex offenders in that small area.  How can we protect our children???  Than there are the Caseys of the world who kill their own.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

I think we could start with "Sandra's Law".. Put all RSOs behind bars forever, never to see the light of day again, never be able to live among our precious kids and g.kids again, period. 



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 07, 2009, 12:38:23 AM
God bless little Sandras soul.  This is so sad.  There are too many evil monsters out there.  Eighty sex offenders in that small area.  How can we protect our children???  Than there are the Caseys of the world who kill their own.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

I think we could start with "Sandra's Law".. Put all RSOs behind bars forever, never to see the light of day again, never be able to live among our precious kids and g.kids again, period. 



Starting with the pervert that kissed her at the pool!!!!!!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 07, 2009, 12:38:57 AM
Im gonna go light a candle, its been a long day between cases & this one ended in heartbreak...so senseless.  Now, we ban together until we see justice done for Sandra but not before we take the time to mourn how she was yet another victimized.   In our futures, we all can do just a little bit in our own communities to raise awareness & fight against pedes living amongst our children.     Monkey huggs,  cyas tomorrow.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 07, 2009, 12:39:03 AM
Pink Angel - very good catch!!  I think you may be on to something there.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: WillenFan21 on April 07, 2009, 12:39:32 AM
I can't believe someone would do this. If they would have just brought her back home.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Wyks on April 07, 2009, 12:42:06 AM
God bless little Sandras soul.  This is so sad.  There are too many evil monsters out there.  Eighty sex offenders in that small area.  How can we protect our children???  Than there are the Caseys of the world who kill their own.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

I think we could start with "Sandra's Law".. Put all RSOs behind bars forever, never to see the light of day again, never be able to live among our precious kids and g.kids again, period. 



Starting with the pervert that kissed her at the pool!!!!!!

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 07, 2009, 12:44:45 AM
I can't believe someone would do this. If they would have just brought her back home.

Willen - good to see you!

it is so hard for me to comprehend   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 07, 2009, 12:46:04 AM
God bless little Sandras soul.  This is so sad.  There are too many evil monsters out there.  Eighty sex offenders in that small area.  How can we protect our children???  Than there are the Caseys of the world who kill their own.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

I think we could start with "Sandra's Law".. Put all RSOs behind bars forever, never to see the light of day again, never be able to live among our precious kids and g.kids again, period. 



Starting with the pervert that kissed her at the pool!!!!!!

Agreed!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 07, 2009, 12:47:03 AM
per KRON live: people gathered outside at the MHP... screaming... people on phones... candles lit. Several ambulances taking people out after news broke. Barricade set up...no one in unless resident with ID. Police who entered complex have not left complex. Not sure what is going on with that

from nursebee at over yonder


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 07, 2009, 12:49:53 AM
I didn't like hearing about how mnay people there were into kiddy porn.
Well, I know it's not just there, it's every town city state and country.
The laws have to be stricter. I have always been a fan for a one strike you are out.
It won't happen.
Why are they ( pedophiles ) allowed to use the internet ? If you are caught once and do your time, then maybe it should be part of their parole that they cannot have access to any internet. The urges are fueled by the porn that is too available and they find others like themselves who encourage each other.
..
There might not be a connection to any of the persons whose names we know in this one. I hope they make an arrrest quickly and do it right where there is no wiggle room for a lawyer like LKB or Mark Geragos ( sp ) or any of the other really clever lawyers who seem to thrive on making sure these creeps do not have their rights violated.   


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 07, 2009, 12:52:34 AM
The FBI was contacted from the beginning.  We saw a textbook crime scene investigation this afternoon.  I believe LE is doing all that is humanly possible at this point as far as the investigation goes.  This one will likely have an arrest and conviction, I do believe.

But not even that will bring back this child to her life and her family.



I'm willing to bet that they have mounds of evidence against whoever did this!  and i think they have a very good idea of who did it.....just my opinion.


I have the same feeling, Leroy.  They have been watching somebody and I would not be at all surprised to have an arrest in a very short period of time.

And I would also like to see all those with child porn convicted as they go to jail right and left around here, for years, for that very thing.  No exceptions.  I don't understand why there have not already been arrests unless there is connection possible and they are letting it play out.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: BluesyGram on April 07, 2009, 12:54:30 AM
I can't believe someone would do this. If they would have just brought her back home.


Being that they didn't let her go...might be because it was someone she knew and could identify.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 07, 2009, 12:57:01 AM
http://www.kron.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/947/reftab/36/t/Body-of-Missing-Tracy-Girl-Has-Been-Found/Default.aspx

some videos here.

in one video, reporter says Sandra's father was at the scene all day.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 07, 2009, 12:59:10 AM
I haven't been following this as closely as some of you, but I thought that someone she knew, maybe just someone who she saw around alot asked if she wanted a ride.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 07, 2009, 12:59:56 AM
Marc Klaas also talks on the video


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pinkbanana on April 07, 2009, 01:10:22 AM
Good Nite Monkey Family.

God Bless Sandra, her family and friends.
Rest In Peace little baby! ::MonkeyWaa::

God Bless you all!

pb


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: CarolynV on April 07, 2009, 01:16:16 AM
I am so sorry monkeys...I was so hoping it wasn't her.


Can you give me a hint about this guy Slayter?  Was he the one arrested for obstructing a police investigation? 

Also, about the married couple, it seems they were getting their stories together about why her DNA might be found in their house.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Mtnmom on April 07, 2009, 01:22:28 AM
My prayers go out to the family and friends of Sandra.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: mizjay on April 07, 2009, 01:27:59 AM


   What a devastating end for a beautiful young girl.  I just got back and caught up.  I don't have words, it's  so wrong.
   There's too many sweet lives being taken by freaks.  It might be better to put the freak's picture on the milk carton,
   or a tattoo, something to give us all a clue that they would not be welcome in my space, a visible clue for a child to  recognize and never befriend them.  Sad sad  sad       



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: BluesyGram on April 07, 2009, 01:33:23 AM


   What a devastating end for a beautiful young girl.  I just got back and caught up.  I don't have words, it's  so wrong.
   There's too many sweet lives being taken by freaks.  It might be better to put the freak's picture on the milk carton,
   or a tattoo, something to give us all a clue that they would not be welcome in my space, a visible clue for a child to  recognize and never befriend them.  Sad sad  sad       



That's what I have thought ....tatoo on the forehead between the eyes so that everyone could see it.  So many of these perverts look normal and are very friendly.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: mizjay on April 07, 2009, 01:41:37 AM


   What a devastating end for a beautiful young girl.  I just got back and caught up.  I don't have words, it's  so wrong.
   There's too many sweet lives being taken by freaks.  It might be better to put the freak's picture on the milk carton,
   or a tattoo, something to give us all a clue that they would not be welcome in my space, a visible clue for a child to  recognize and never befriend them.  Sad sad  sad       



That's what I have thought ....tatoo on the forehead between the eyes so that everyone could see it.  So many of these perverts look normal and are very friendly.



  I know. Because our society is so lenient toward the crimnal's rights, everything has gone haywire. There's hardly anyway for a person, much less a child to be able to distinguish who's got evil intent festering inside.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Maven on April 07, 2009, 01:42:11 AM


   What a devastating end for a beautiful young girl.  I just got back and caught up.  I don't have words, it's  so wrong.
   There's too many sweet lives being taken by freaks.  It might be better to put the freak's picture on the milk carton,
   or a tattoo, something to give us all a clue that they would not be welcome in my space, a visible clue for a child to  recognize and never befriend them.  Sad sad  sad       



That's what I have thought ....tatoo on the forehead between the eyes so that everyone could see it.  So many of these perverts look normal and are very friendly.



IA if not on an island of their own, a tattoo would be great. I have one that lives around me, had I not searched I never would have known he looks so "normal". 

It does take many years for a SO to actually get caught, but the registered ones really need to be kept away from innocent children.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: mizjay on April 07, 2009, 01:49:29 AM

 I remember seeing a couple of cases where single moms were wined and dined into marriage with seemingly normal guys but in reality the guys real desire was for easy access to the kids. Too sick, the kids are messed up, the moms are messed up and dude gets a couple of years and gets to start all over again. Fresh start, new hunting grounds. Makes me ill.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cartfly on April 07, 2009, 01:55:57 AM
Sandra,
My heart breaks for your family, friends, community and all those who prayed for you to come home safely. May you skip and dance with the Angels, darling!
Please watch over your family in their darkest hour. I never had a chance to have met you, but I know in my heart you were a very special young lady.
God rest your soul sweet baby.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Foggy Dew on April 07, 2009, 02:01:05 AM
This is one of those rare days when I only caught the bit about the "container" being discovered in a irrigation ditch. 

I had a bad feeling about it when I heard it wasn't there however many days ago.

My feelings about the perp and pedophiles in general'd prob get me banned.  But they cannot be allowed in society following a conviction.  I've never heard the first shrink who could assure that they wouldn't re-offend or accelerate their aggression on our little ones.

I can't help it and am sorry to say so, but I do find fault w/a parent/caretaker who'd let such a little one ramble about on her own, but that'll be a cross her mom'll have to bear.  I pity her for the weight she'll have on her heart for she did seem to be a loving mom.  Such a sad, sad story.  My heart is fractured yet again--this time for wee Sandra.

God love her and keep her.   Prayers for everyone who loved her and folks here and elsewhere who are heartbroken by the devastating news of her murder.

Foggy


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: BluesyGram on April 07, 2009, 02:03:07 AM
At least Louisiana tried...we had one of these monsters on death row for raping a child and the Supreme Court knocked it down.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 07, 2009, 02:20:53 AM
What a world we live in. The 10 year old GD has walked alone down the street once in her life. And the other parent at the other end of the street was called to make sure that GD arrived. One city block.
..
Let's not blame or wonder why the Mumma didn't do stuff like the above. The poor lady and the rest of Sandra's family is in enough pain.
There is something wrong in our society and with the system when a kid can't walk in their own neighbourhood at 8 o'clock at night.
I hope everyone in that community who was involved in any crimes against children  ie kiddy porn is dealt with to the fullest extent of the law regardless of any involvement in this girl's life or death. 
Tracy has to take their community back from these creeps. And they are probably angry enough to do it. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: mizjay on April 07, 2009, 02:26:24 AM
What a world we live in. The 10 year old GD has walked alone down the street once in her life. And the other parent at the other end of the street was called to make sure that GD arrived. One city block.
..
Let's not blame or wonder why the Mumma didn't do stuff like the above. The poor lady and the rest of Sandra's family is in enough pain.
There is something wrong in our society and with the system when a kid can't walk in their own neighbourhood at 8 o'clock at night.
I hope everyone in that community who was involved in any crimes against children  ie kiddy porn is dealt with to the fullest extent of the law regardless of any involvement in this girl's life or death. 
Tracy has to take their community back from these creeps. And they are probably angry enough to do it. 

   Where's Dirty Harry when we need him?  Or that other guy with the hickory stick, Walking Tall movie.  I could go for the vigilante justice for all these kids.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 07, 2009, 02:29:57 AM
I am so sorry monkeys...I was so hoping it wasn't her.


Can you give me a hint about this guy Slayter?  Was he the one arrested for obstructing a police investigation? 

Also, about the married couple, it seems they were getting their stories together about why her DNA might be found in their house.

Knowing what we know so far of the three men (and the cousin whom we do not know much about), She had history with two of them:

Wohler lived toward the back but on a different street from Sandra. He was headed out in that time frame to teach his karate class. He kissed her at the pool two years previous to this and a police report was filed. The neighbor across from Sandra says he looked out for her after that incident and also noticed other instances of Wohler cruising by her house.

Sinclair also lives near Sandra. There has been nothing reported as to if he knows her. He said he didn't. HOWEVER, he has a history of drug and alcohol abuse (even claimed on camera that the reason he was arrested was because he "had a few drinks" the night police came because he was upset about it. We know the LEAST about this man....yet a cousin's house of his in Oakdale was searches more than once. His own parents took out a retraining order on him.

Slayter lived up the Street from Sandra. He is married and has a disabled adult son. Sandra had been in his home to play "yahtzee" and went bowling with him.. last time I checked there is no bowling alley in the trailer park so this means she has went out of the park with him before. THIS RAISES RED FLAGS TO ME. If she went somewhere else before with him getting into a car with him, or just going with him physically would be easier than with the other two who, insofar as we know, did not have this type of "relationship" with Sandra. Slayter said that Sandra didn't have kid friends...but adult friends...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3562798&postcount=696


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: mizjay on April 07, 2009, 02:44:30 AM


  I hope that LE has a lot of info and can make an arrest soon.   Justice for Sandra will not bring her back but will bring punishment in this world for her killer. After that, it's up to God.

Night all.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Mudder on April 07, 2009, 03:03:08 AM
I've always kind of been in favor of giving these creeps their own island, and if it happens to have a not so active volcano, even better.

I pray that God comfort this family, I can't even imagine their pain.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: ncbelle54 on April 07, 2009, 04:18:07 AM

      prayers be with this child and all family members,and all who cared for her


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Sharon/Tx on April 07, 2009, 05:13:44 AM
This is devastating news.  Not only do we need to keep a close watch on our children and grandchildren, but on each other's.  My prayers are with Sandra's family.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: flossy on April 07, 2009, 07:02:13 AM
I'm all for mandatory castration after ONE offense and a big whopping tattoo in a place that isn't easily covered so that the sicko is branded for life and people will know exactly what this person is about.

NO MORE LENIENCY.  What about the rights of the innocent children who fall prey to these ticking time bombs?   


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: ChihuahuaMom on April 07, 2009, 07:05:28 AM


   What a devastating end for a beautiful young girl.  I just got back and caught up.  I don't have words, it's  so wrong.
   There's too many sweet lives being taken by freaks.  It might be better to put the freak's picture on the milk carton,
   or a tattoo, something to give us all a clue that they would not be welcome in my space, a visible clue for a child to  recognize and never befriend them.  Sad sad  sad       



That's what I have thought ....tatoo on the forehead between the eyes so that everyone could see it.  So many of these perverts look normal and are very friendly.



IA if not on an island of their own, a tattoo would be great. I have one that lives around me, had I not searched I never would have known he looks so "normal". 

It does take many years for a SO to actually get caught, but the registered ones really need to be kept away from innocent children.

wow you guys are too nice. I say stick a needle in their arm and these sickos might think twice about hurting a child


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: flamom on April 07, 2009, 07:22:19 AM
I went to bed before the presser because I had a bad feeling and didnt want to find out last night, so I came here first thing this am and have a very heavy heart...  There is no place in this world for pedos... they cannot be cured or rehabilitated..
Around 1995 the psych facility I worked at thought it would be a great idea to have a sexual recovery program but instead of trying to help heal the wounded, they started to bring in perps.. omg.. the uproar from us stopped it but not before it gave me a window into what they think.. they all deserve life imprisonment or death...
sorry for my rant.. this should never EVER happen to another child..


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: clarice on April 07, 2009, 07:24:11 AM
<quote>wow you guys are too nice. I say stick a needle in their arm and these sickos might think twice about hurting a child
[/quote]

 ::MonkeyCool:: I am rooting for "Old Sparky" to make a comeback..AH, the good ole days....*sigh*


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: ChihuahuaMom on April 07, 2009, 07:29:35 AM
<quote>wow you guys are too nice. I say stick a needle in their arm and these sickos might think twice about hurting a child

 ::MonkeyCool:: I am rooting for "Old Sparky" to make a comeback..AH, the good ole days....*sigh*
[/quote]

oh yeah that would work, but if only it had a remote control so the family can "pull the switch"


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: ChihuahuaMom on April 07, 2009, 07:32:57 AM
At least Louisiana tried...we had one of these monsters on death row for raping a child and the Supreme Court knocked it down.




eeek, I think I rather be dead than live a lifetime at Perchmans...gringe..


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 07, 2009, 07:39:56 AM
Missing Tracy girl's body found in suitcase
Kevin Faganand Demian Bulwa, Chronicle Staff Writers
Tuesday, April 7, 2009      

(04-07) 04:00 PDT Tracy --
The body of 8-year-old Sandra Cantu was found in a suitcase floating in an irrigation pond near her home here Monday, ending a massive hunt for the lively little girl whose disappearance 10 days earlier touched hearts throughout Northern California.

The suitcase was discovered by farmworkers at about 10 a.m. as they were draining the pond to water a field at a dairy farm on Bacchetti Road. Witnesses told investigators it was not there when they emptied the pond about two weeks ago.

The pond sits amid rows of irrigation ditches about 2 miles north of Sandra's home.

Tracy Police Chief Janet Thiessen choked up briefly at a 9 p.m. City Hall news conference as she announced what so many had hoped not to hear - "Inside the bag we located the body of Sandra Cantu" - but then her voice turned steely.

"We will be determining the person or persons responsible for this reprehensible act, and we will bring them to justice," she said. After a few more comments, she turned abruptly and walked away, leaving a sergeant to answer further questions.

No suspect has been named, but as late night set in, police officers and FBI agents swarmed into Sandra's neighborhood to pursue new leads and search buildings. They refused to specify the nature of the leads.

While the chief spoke, a small gathering of Tracy residents and volunteers in the search effort who came to hear the update broke into tears.

"I'm so angry right now. I'm mad. I'm pissed," Eddie Ruiz, a 44-year-old farm laborer in Tracy, said as tears welled in his eyes. "I want all these pedophiles and all these people that do this to be put into protective custody. It happened in Tracy, where I'm from. It shouldn't happen."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/07/MNR116U792.DTL



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 07, 2009, 07:41:40 AM
Monkee friends....just woke up...my heart is heavy this morning...
Has not been on the news this morning except for a blurb trailing under the news story....but I knew that I could come here for the news of her....
I am outraged and sickened...
Our children need to be safe in their own neighborhoods, their own yards and their own beds....
Our children should not be the ones who are locked up  in their homes for their own protection, never to be able to live their carefree lives as witnessed by Sandra's last video of her skipping about and being a happy child...it should be the pervs who are locked up!

When are our laws going to get stricter to protect the children and not these pervs? How many children do we have to lose for this to happen?
I am sick to death of time and time again a child turns up dead because of a perv putting his own sick pleasure ahead of an innocent child's life....
sorry for the rant but I can't stop this morning...
Peace to Sandra's family and my fellow monkees...
xxx


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 07, 2009, 07:45:49 AM
Update 1 a.m. Tuesday: Hunt for a killer begins in earnest       
Written by Eric Firpo and Justin Lafferty      
Monday, 06 April 2009
 

Tracy police announced Monday night that the body of Sandra Cantu was found in a suitcase; her mother, Maria Chavez, is taken by the ambulance to the hospital after she passes out; FBI agents continue searches.


Tracy police Chief Janet Thiessen (left) tells the media that Sandra Cantu’s body was found today. At her side is FBI Supervisor Special Agent Todd Irinaga from the Sacramento office. Glenn Moore/Tracy Press
The search for Sandra Cantu turned into a hunt for her killer Monday night after police announced the 8-year-old’s fully clothed body was found in a suitcase pulled from a drained irrigation pond on a north Tracy dairy.

The grisly discovery ended 11 days of a massive search in which hundreds of volunteers joined roughly 200 police and FBI agents to comb the city and countryside to find the Jacobson Elementary School second-grader.

But farmworkers on the Bacchetti and Silva dairy first saw the suitcase late this morning and called police to investigate the out-of-place piece of luggage that they said wasn’t there two weeks ago when the empty pond was filled with water, police said.

Police spokesman Sgt. Tony Sheneman said this morning it would take hours before investigators opened the suitcase, and it did. Though it’s unclear when it was that police knew Sandra was dead, the announcement that her body was in the suitcase came from police Chief Janet Thiessen at about 8:40 p.m. at a City Hall press conference.

Thiessen said that around 5:40 p.m., the bag was taken to a San Joaquin County morgue where it was opened to reveal Sandra’s body. Sheneman said that an autopsy will be performed soon to find more about the cause of death.


An American Medical Response Ambulance leaves the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park Monday night after the announcement that Sandra Cantu's body had been found. Glenn Moore/Tracy Press
“This is an unimaginable loss for any parent and it’s a very difficult loss for our community,” Sheneman said.

The news in a text message sent rippling sobs of grief through a crowd of about two dozen gathered in front of the mobile home park for what has become a nightly candlelight vigil — and it certainly devastated a family that was clinging to hope that Sandra would come home safe and sound.

Dozens of people made their way to the vigil. On a tree near the entrance of the mobile home park, where friends, family and supporters gathered, rested signs of hope. The tree started with just a yellow ribbon, but soon letters, candles, flowers and stuffed animals made their way to it.


Crime scene tape rings the Clover Road Baptist Church Monday night as the interior is searched. The church is about three-forths of a mile from the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park where Sandra Cantu disappeared. Glenn Moore/Tracy Press
“Everybody can come together here and show their support and help each other out,” Tracy resident Echo Dent, 19, said. “I can’t believe somebody would do that to a little girl.”

An impromptu circle formed, where the Rev. Doug Diestler of Grace Christian Church and Tracy resident Sam Leon led prayers.

“I didn’t need to know the family, because of just the love of being raised in this town and knowing that someone in this town is missing, that’s just enough to come into prayer,” Leon said. “(Sandra) showed the spirit of love. When she talked to people, she did it out of love. When she played with friends, she did it out of love.”


Tracy police seal off the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park Monday as another home was searched following the announcement that Sandra Cantu had been found dead.

The family is left to make funeral arrangements for the happy-go-lucky girl last seen in surveillance video skipping in the sun past her home March 27 in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, about 2 miles south of where the suitcase was found. She wore a pink Hello Kitty T-shirt and black leggings then, the same clothes she had on when investigators opened the suitcase.

Sandra’s mother, Maria Chavez, passed out when she heard the news and was taken to the hospital. Sandra’s father, Danny Cantu, a 37-year-old who lives in Mexico now and rarely saw his daughter, was on his way to the press conference at City Hall when he was called in to the police station. There, Thiessen shook his hand and told him his little girl was gone, said his friend, Gina Schnabel.

Sandra’s grandfather, Joe Chavez, had put up a surveillance camera after tires were slashed in what he suspected were run-ins with a neighbor over cats he trapped. Police have spent a lot of time focusing on Chavez’s neighbors as well, but now they’re looking for a murder suspect.

A caravan of FBI agents pulled into the mobile home park just before 10:30 p.m. Monday, though no announcements of an arrest was made. At about 11:45 p.m., agents pulled up to search the Clover Road Baptist Church Missionary Independent at 1100 W. Clover Road.

The search brings to five the number of homes that have been searched in the mobile home park, and at least four cars have been towed from there since search warrants were first obtained March 30, police said.

Three in the park have so far been tied to the investigation. Frank Wohler is a 60-year-old martial arts instructor who said he kissed Sandra on the lips at the park’s swimming pool two years ago. Christian Sinclair, 49, was arrested March 30 for interfering with police as they searched his home. And on Friday, David Slayter, 44, got in a car with police for an interview as they searched his home, though police made a point to say he was neither detained nor arrested.

“We will determine the person or persons responsible for this reprehensible act, and we will bring them to justice,” Thiessen said.

http://tracypress.com/content/view/17738/2268/



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 07, 2009, 08:12:52 AM
Not sure how to ask this question delicately....fully clothed with the same clothes...would a sexual perv bother redressing her? sorry..
or, should we look at this as an anger murder?
any answers Monkees? I know we will find out from the autopsy...but that fully clothed comment in the article just stuck out to me...
sigh....my heart can't stop hurting....


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: mioyshi on April 07, 2009, 08:18:07 AM
Such a terrible way to have Sandra's life ended. I am so sad for her.
I hope the sheriff Janet, will make this case one that all pervs are scared of.
mio


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: mioyshi on April 07, 2009, 08:23:22 AM
Not sure how to ask this question delicately....fully clothed with the same clothes...would a sexual perv bother redressing her? sorry..
or, should we look at this as an anger murder?
any answers Monkees? I know we will find out from the autopsy...but that fully clothed comment in the article just stuck out to me...
sigh....my heart can't stop hurting....

MY heart hurts with you Cookie. That statement also caught my attention. I would not think so,,,if she was already dead, that perv would redress her. But, who knows.  Bundy staged a few of his victims.
These men are getting ridiculous. Someone needs to have a big sex talk, and let men know, there are plenty of women, who will do what they want, and leave these children alone.

And parents need to watch where their children are.  She was just too little to let out there all alone amongst all those pervs.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 07, 2009, 08:26:40 AM
Not sure how to ask this question delicately....fully clothed with the same clothes...would a sexual perv bother redressing her? sorry..
or, should we look at this as an anger murder?
any answers Monkees? I know we will find out from the autopsy...but that fully clothed comment in the article just stuck out to me...
sigh....my heart can't stop hurting....

cookie - dont worry, i wondered the same thing when i heard that statement.  in a weird way i had a sense a relief when they said that...i dont know.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Dolce on April 07, 2009, 08:31:37 AM
My prayers go out to this family.  How very very tradgic. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: joesamas mama on April 07, 2009, 08:34:03 AM
 ::MonkeyWaa:: I just saw that they found little Sandra's body in a suitcase.

God Bless you Sandra and may LE and FBI find your killers. JSM


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 07, 2009, 08:42:35 AM
Not sure how to ask this question delicately....fully clothed with the same clothes...would a sexual perv bother redressing her? sorry..
or, should we look at this as an anger murder?
any answers Monkees? I know we will find out from the autopsy...but that fully clothed comment in the article just stuck out to me...
sigh....my heart can't stop hurting....

cookie - dont worry, i wondered the same thing when i heard that statement.  in a weird way i had a sense a relief when they said that...i dont know.

LeRoy...I had a sense of relief as well...hopefully she was spared that.....

Mio....parents need to be even more watchful of their kids than ever before....
and our laws need to change to put these creeps away...no more coddling these pervs with a slap on the wrist..1 strike  for molestation and no getting out of jail...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: dejasade on April 07, 2009, 08:46:41 AM
so, so sad.
God Bless her and her family

+RIP


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: mioyshi on April 07, 2009, 08:49:55 AM
Not sure how to ask this question delicately....fully clothed with the same clothes...would a sexual perv bother redressing her? sorry..
or, should we look at this as an anger murder?
any answers Monkees? I know we will find out from the autopsy...but that fully clothed comment in the article just stuck out to me...
sigh....my heart can't stop hurting....

cookie - dont worry, i wondered the same thing when i heard that statement.  in a weird way i had a sense a relief when they said that...i dont know.

LeRoy...I had a sense of relief as well...hopefully she was spared that.....

Mio....parents need to be even more watchful of their kids than ever before....
and our laws need to change to put these creeps away...no more coddling these pervs with a slap on the wrist..1 strike  for molestation and no getting out of jail...

you said a mouthful on that one cookie, I agree with all your words.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Lovinlife on April 07, 2009, 09:01:08 AM
God bless this little girl, her family and all who loved her including SM. 

Thank you to all who worked so hard and I know will continue to work hard to bring Justice for Sandra.

I am saddened beyond words...lovinlife


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 07, 2009, 09:07:52 AM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/06/sandra-cantu-found-deceased-in-suitcase/

For anyone who did not see this last evening.

I am bumping this beautiful childs face today. I know she is with Angels,maybe my special angel met her up there; I choose to believe that today /b]


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 07, 2009, 09:11:17 AM
Not sure how to ask this question delicately....fully clothed with the same clothes...would a sexual perv bother redressing her? sorry..
or, should we look at this as an anger murder?
any answers Monkees? I know we will find out from the autopsy...but that fully clothed comment in the article just stuck out to me...
sigh....my heart can't stop hurting....

Not to get to graphic but some that murder little children will often redress them after they are through with them. I read about one murder where he washed the little girl, re-dressed her and brushed her hair.

There is many kinds of evil monsters out there.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Sassycat on April 07, 2009, 09:12:15 AM
I'm so sad, but I'm angry.   

Something has to be done with these sick people who harm and kill children.   I think the tattoo idea is a great start.
I also feel they should receive mandatory hormone treatments or castration.   There's so many of them out there.
Just serving jail time does not change them - why are they allowed back in society?

I know a man who is in jail right now for sexually abusing little girls.   I used to work with him.  He served over 20 years in the Navy.   He retired as a Senior Chief Petty Officer.   Clean cut guy.  He was caught fondling a 5 year old.   He went to jail and only served like 18 months.    He got out and AGAIN was caught fondling a 3 years old child of good friends (her parents had a camera installed in their home and saw it on film).    He was arrested and put in jail, but allowed to do work release.   GUESS WHAT!   He did it again while out on work release - he was able to fondle the daughter of the guy he was working for on work release!    Now, he has a 8 year sentence to serve.   I think he should have gotten a life sentence!

My point -  this guy is clean cut and you would never expect him to be guilty of doing these horrible acts.    He even attended a Baptist Church and Bible studies all the time.  His wife was a preschool teacher at the Christian school and I used to go over to her house with my little girls - thank God he never had any alone time with my girls!     A tattoo is a great way to let everyone - especially children - know who they are dealing with.

When this man was asked by his wife "Why do you continue to touch little girls?"   He answered that in his mind - he believes that the little girls want him to do it.    He wants to try to make them happy because he thinks they like it.   SICK SICK SICK.   

Sandra - my heart breaks for you, but I'm comforted knowing that you're in heaven and safe now.
Prayers for the family and friends.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 07, 2009, 09:12:19 AM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/06/sandra-cantu-found-deceased-in-suitcase/

For anyone who did not see this last evening.

I am bumping this beautiful childs face today. I know she is with Angels,maybe my special angel met her up there; I choose to believe that today /b]


Thanks Blink. Did you read my post two pages back I think about the red ribbon?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 07, 2009, 09:13:54 AM
I'm so sad, but I'm angry.   

Something has to be done with these sick people who harm and kill children.   I think the tattoo idea is a great start.
I also feel they should receive mandatory hormone treatments or castration.   There's so many of them out there.
Just serving jail time does not change them - why are they allowed back in society?

I know a man who is in jail right now for sexually abusing little girls.   I used to work with him.  He served over 20 years in the Navy.   He retired as a Senior Chief Petty Officer.   Clean cut guy.  He was caught fondling a 5 year old.   He went to jail and only served like 18 months.    He got out and AGAIN was caught fondling a 3 years old child of good friends (her parents had a camera installed in their home and saw it on film).    He was arrested and put in jail, but allowed to do work release.   GUESS WHAT!   He did it again while out on work release - he was able to fondle the daughter of the guy he was working for on work release!    Now, he has a 8 year sentence to serve.   I think he should have gotten a life sentence!

My point -  this guy is clean cut and you would never expect him to be guilty of doing these horrible acts.    He even attended a Baptist Church and Bible studies all the time.  His wife was a preschool teacher at the Christian school and I used to go over to her house with my little girls - thank God he never had any alone time with my girls!     A tattoo is a great way to let everyone - especially children - know who they are dealing with.

When this man was asked by his wife "Why do you continue to touch little girls?"   He answered that in his mind - he believes that the little girls want him to do it.    He wants to try to make them happy because he thinks they like it.   SICK SICK SICK.   

Sandra - my heart breaks for you, but I'm comforted knowing that you're in heaven and safe now.
Prayers for the family and friends.



He sounds like all the men that join that freakin' NAMBLA group. They honestly believe that children WANT IT.

Sick evil bastards.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: mioyshi on April 07, 2009, 09:17:38 AM
I'm so sad, but I'm angry.   

Something has to be done with these sick people who harm and kill children.   I think the tattoo idea is a great start.
I also feel they should receive mandatory hormone treatments or castration.   There's so many of them out there.
Just serving jail time does not change them - why are they allowed back in society?

I know a man who is in jail right now for sexually abusing little girls.   I used to work with him.  He served over 20 years in the Navy.   He retired as a Senior Chief Petty Officer.   Clean cut guy.  He was caught fondling a 5 year old.   He went to jail and only served like 18 months.    He got out and AGAIN was caught fondling a 3 years old child of good friends (her parents had a camera installed in their home and saw it on film).    He was arrested and put in jail, but allowed to do work release.   GUESS WHAT!   He did it again while out on work release - he was able to fondle the daughter of the guy he was working for on work release!    Now, he has a 8 year sentence to serve.   I think he should have gotten a life sentence!

My point -  this guy is clean cut and you would never expect him to be guilty of doing these horrible acts.    He even attended a Baptist Church and Bible studies all the time.  His wife was a preschool teacher at the Christian school and I used to go over to her house with my little girls - thank God he never had any alone time with my girls!     A tattoo is a great way to let everyone - especially children - know who they are dealing with.

When this man was asked by his wife "Why do you continue to touch little girls?"   He answered that in his mind - he believes that the little girls want him to do it.    He wants to try to make them happy because he thinks they like it.   SICK SICK SICK.   

Sandra - my heart breaks for you, but I'm comforted knowing that you're in heaven and safe now.
Prayers for the family and friends.



I say, we scalp them, and put that tatoo on top of their fore head.  666 sounds about right.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 07, 2009, 09:20:30 AM
My heart is broken for little Sandra and her family, and community.

I pray they find the person responsible for this horrible crime and bring them to justice.

Something does have to be done about these monsters. I'm just sick.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: goodnmad on April 07, 2009, 09:24:37 AM
I'm so tired of this. A child cannot even go down the street to play anymore without fear of some sick SOB grabbing her.

You know I really hate to say this -- almost, but in some countries people get their hand cut off for stealing ... life in prison is too good for these "people."  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I hope they find the killer quickly.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 07, 2009, 09:27:24 AM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/06/sandra-cantu-found-deceased-in-suitcase/

For anyone who did not see this last evening.

I am bumping this beautiful childs face today. I know she is with Angels,maybe my special angel met her up there; I choose to believe that today /b]


Thanks Blink. Did you read my post two pages back I think about the red ribbon?

You do know that people put ribbons on their luggage to identify their suitcase when traveling and it goes on the turn style after the plane lands...So we can assume that the person that the suitcase belonged to travels by plane on occasion? there will be some identifying object, hair fibers, cat fibers etc...in that suitcase....especially if it has plastic pockets that cosmetics could go in...the water perhaps wouldn't have gotten in there to wash it away?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Sassycat on April 07, 2009, 09:27:32 AM
Pink Angel - he is sick and evil.

Mio - I agree, the 666 tatoo sounds like a great idea.

The family members of these sick bastards suffer, too.    His wife is devastated -and because of lawyer bills and him being in jail, she'll probably lose her home (not to mention many friends have turned their backs on her).


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: goodnmad on April 07, 2009, 09:30:08 AM
I'm so sad, but I'm angry.   

Something has to be done with these sick people who harm and kill children.   I think the tattoo idea is a great start.
I also feel they should receive mandatory hormone treatments or castration.   There's so many of them out there.
Just serving jail time does not change them - why are they allowed back in society?

I know a man who is in jail right now for sexually abusing little girls.   I used to work with him.  He served over 20 years in the Navy.   He retired as a Senior Chief Petty Officer.   Clean cut guy.  He was caught fondling a 5 year old.   He went to jail and only served like 18 months.    He got out and AGAIN was caught fondling a 3 years old child of good friends (her parents had a camera installed in their home and saw it on film).    He was arrested and put in jail, but allowed to do work release.   GUESS WHAT!   He did it again while out on work release - he was able to fondle the daughter of the guy he was working for on work release!    Now, he has a 8 year sentence to serve.   I think he should have gotten a life sentence!

My point -  this guy is clean cut and you would never expect him to be guilty of doing these horrible acts.    He even attended a Baptist Church and Bible studies all the time.  His wife was a preschool teacher at the Christian school and I used to go over to her house with my little girls - thank God he never had any alone time with my girls!     A tattoo is a great way to let everyone - especially children - know who they are dealing with.

When this man was asked by his wife "Why do you continue to touch little girls?"   He answered that in his mind - he believes that the little girls want him to do it.    He wants to try to make them happy because he thinks they like it.   SICK SICK SICK.   

Sandra - my heart breaks for you, but I'm comforted knowing that you're in heaven and safe now.
Prayers for the family and friends.



He sounds like all the men that join that freakin' NAMBLA group. They honestly believe that children WANT IT.

Sick evil bastards.

Well I hope in prison he gets special love from Big Bubba each and every day because he "wants it." If that makes me a bad person, so be it.

PUT THEM AWAY FOR LIFE!!!! That way things like this don't happen. Jessica Lunsford and (IMO) Sandra Cantu and the list goes on and on.

The law should protect the children not the abusers.
 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: SunnyinTX on April 07, 2009, 09:30:32 AM
Fly with the Angels dear child.  You are in the hands of God. No one can ever harm you again.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 07, 2009, 09:34:17 AM
snip from goodnmad:Well I hope in prison he gets special love from Big Bubba each and every day because he "wants it." If that makes me a bad person, so be it.

PUT THEM AWAY FOR LIFE!!!! That way things like this don't happen. Jessica Lunsford and (IMO) Sandra Cantu and the list goes on and on.

The law should protect the children not the abusers.

couldn't agree with you more...hope that Bubba works him over good....hope his nut sack gets ripped off in the process...if that makes ME bad, then so be it also! I am not in the mood to be nice anymore...not today!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 07, 2009, 09:34:52 AM
Blink -

Did you hear about the red ribbon on the suitcase?

Only one station reported it and the link is still available through google. Since then the station has "updated" the article and that link no longer includes the information regarding the red ribbon.

Do you think that the police didn't want this "out" there and asked them to retract it because it could be an important clue or do you think it was mis-reporting?

I think it could be a major clue if it's true.

It could match ribbon on like luggage. A person in in the perps circle of family and friends could know about the ribbon etc...

Suitcase Tied With Red Ribbon Found Near Home of Missing Girl
Apr 6, 2009 ... More Related Content. Sandra Cantu; Photo Gallery .... Police are investigating a suitcase with a red ribbon around it that was found ... arrested at LAX after airport screeners allegedly found cocaine in his luggage. ...


http://www.ktla.com/pages/landing_mostinteresting/?Suitcase-Tied-With-Red-Ribbon-Found-Near=1&blockID=252627

If the report was true, I suspect this may have something to do with it:

http://www.dcf.state.fl.us/mentalhealth/sa/ribbon03.pdf

It may be an attempt to stage the remains as if some drug cartel were involved, or an admission from the perp that drug use caused the incident.

There was FBI at the church immediately following the opening of the suitcase, I am pretty sure they found something with her that made them go there. I have close up footage of the suitcase and I did not see any red ribbon. Again, if true, it would have had to come from someone on scene.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 07, 2009, 09:39:02 AM
Blink...also, read my post about traveling and marking your suitcase with a ribbon for identifying....couldn't that be useful as well? thanks.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: goodnmad on April 07, 2009, 09:42:26 AM
You know what, these "people" should be AFRAID. They should fear the consequences of their actions, but most do not -- obviously. They repeat it over and over again.

They are not afraid of the slap on the wrist they might get from the legal system -- if it even makes it that far. They are not afraid of the families of their victims. They are not afraid of the consequences beyond those in this world.

THEY SHOULD BE AFRAID! Not us.

Let me tell you, if I ever found out someone hurt my child, the last thing they'd need to worry about would be the police. They'd be safer in jail than with me.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2009, 09:44:43 AM
Update 1 a.m. Tuesday: Hunt for a killer begins in earnest       
Written by Eric Firpo and Justin Lafferty      
Monday, 06 April 2009
 

Tracy police announced Monday night that the body of Sandra Cantu was found in a suitcase; her mother, Maria Chavez, is taken by the ambulance to the hospital after she passes out; FBI agents continue searches.


Tracy police Chief Janet Thiessen (left) tells the media that Sandra Cantu’s body was found today. At her side is FBI Supervisor Special Agent Todd Irinaga from the Sacramento office. Glenn Moore/Tracy Press
The search for Sandra Cantu turned into a hunt for her killer Monday night after police announced the 8-year-old’s fully clothed body was found in a suitcase pulled from a drained irrigation pond on a north Tracy dairy.

The grisly discovery ended 11 days of a massive search in which hundreds of volunteers joined roughly 200 police and FBI agents to comb the city and countryside to find the Jacobson Elementary School second-grader.

But farmworkers on the Bacchetti and Silva dairy first saw the suitcase late this morning and called police to investigate the out-of-place piece of luggage that they said wasn’t there two weeks ago when the empty pond was filled with water, police said.

Police spokesman Sgt. Tony Sheneman said this morning it would take hours before investigators opened the suitcase, and it did. Though it’s unclear when it was that police knew Sandra was dead, the announcement that her body was in the suitcase came from police Chief Janet Thiessen at about 8:40 p.m. at a City Hall press conference.

Thiessen said that around 5:40 p.m., the bag was taken to a San Joaquin County morgue where it was opened to reveal Sandra’s body. Sheneman said that an autopsy will be performed soon to find more about the cause of death.


An American Medical Response Ambulance leaves the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park Monday night after the announcement that Sandra Cantu's body had been found. Glenn Moore/Tracy Press
“This is an unimaginable loss for any parent and it’s a very difficult loss for our community,” Sheneman said.

The news in a text message sent rippling sobs of grief through a crowd of about two dozen gathered in front of the mobile home park for what has become a nightly candlelight vigil — and it certainly devastated a family that was clinging to hope that Sandra would come home safe and sound.

Dozens of people made their way to the vigil. On a tree near the entrance of the mobile home park, where friends, family and supporters gathered, rested signs of hope. The tree started with just a yellow ribbon, but soon letters, candles, flowers and stuffed animals made their way to it.


Crime scene tape rings the Clover Road Baptist Church Monday night as the interior is searched. The church is about three-forths of a mile from the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park where Sandra Cantu disappeared. Glenn Moore/Tracy Press
“Everybody can come together here and show their support and help each other out,” Tracy resident Echo Dent, 19, said. “I can’t believe somebody would do that to a little girl.”

An impromptu circle formed, where the Rev. Doug Diestler of Grace Christian Church and Tracy resident Sam Leon led prayers.

“I didn’t need to know the family, because of just the love of being raised in this town and knowing that someone in this town is missing, that’s just enough to come into prayer,” Leon said. “(Sandra) showed the spirit of love. When she talked to people, she did it out of love. When she played with friends, she did it out of love.”


Tracy police seal off the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park Monday as another home was searched following the announcement that Sandra Cantu had been found dead.

The family is left to make funeral arrangements for the happy-go-lucky girl last seen in surveillance video skipping in the sun past her home March 27 in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, about 2 miles south of where the suitcase was found. She wore a pink Hello Kitty T-shirt and black leggings then, the same clothes she had on when investigators opened the suitcase.

Sandra’s mother, Maria Chavez, passed out when she heard the news and was taken to the hospital. Sandra’s father, Danny Cantu, a 37-year-old who lives in Mexico now and rarely saw his daughter, was on his way to the press conference at City Hall when he was called in to the police station. There, Thiessen shook his hand and told him his little girl was gone, said his friend, Gina Schnabel.

Sandra’s grandfather, Joe Chavez, had put up a surveillance camera after tires were slashed in what he suspected were run-ins with a neighbor over cats he trapped. Police have spent a lot of time focusing on Chavez’s neighbors as well, but now they’re looking for a murder suspect.

A caravan of FBI agents pulled into the mobile home park just before 10:30 p.m. Monday, though no announcements of an arrest was made. At about 11:45 p.m., agents pulled up to search the Clover Road Baptist Church Missionary Independent at 1100 W. Clover Road.

The search brings to five the number of homes that have been searched in the mobile home park, and at least four cars have been towed from there since search warrants were first obtained March 30, police said.

Three in the park have so far been tied to the investigation. Frank Wohler is a 60-year-old martial arts instructor who said he kissed Sandra on the lips at the park’s swimming pool two years ago. Christian Sinclair, 49, was arrested March 30 for interfering with police as they searched his home. And on Friday, David Slayter, 44, got in a car with police for an interview as they searched his home, though police made a point to say he was neither detained nor arrested.

“We will determine the person or persons responsible for this reprehensible act, and we will bring them to justice,” Thiessen said.

http://tracypress.com/content/view/17738/2268/



http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/Pastor1.html

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Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: lady on April 07, 2009, 10:00:58 AM
Okay what does this church or Preacher have to do with this case??


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2009, 10:03:03 AM
Okay what does this church or Preacher have to do with this case??

FBI agents pulled into the church last night.  The minister lives at space 57.  Other than that I don't know but the FBI is investigating AT LEAST the church. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: goodnmad on April 07, 2009, 10:03:03 AM
so, the pastor of the church being searched lived in the same mobile home park? is that correct?  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 07, 2009, 10:03:29 AM
Blink...also, read my post about traveling and marking your suitcase with a ribbon for identifying....couldn't that be useful as well? thanks.
cookie - ITA, there are lots of folks who mark their luggage this way.  If that is indeed the case, I am hopeful that forensics will find hairs, etc. 

The church being searched has me curious.  I wonder if something was found inside the suitcase with the church name on it.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2009, 10:03:44 AM
so, the pastor of the church being searched lived in the same mobile home park? is that correct?  ::MonkeyShocked::

Yes


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: lady on April 07, 2009, 10:06:03 AM
so, the pastor of the church being searched lived in the same mobile home park? is that correct?  ::MonkeyShocked::
I dont know..Thats why I asked..I read there was an investagation going on there but wasnt sure what or who they are looking for.Or if thats maybe where the little girl attended church services or what...This is very very sad..


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: goodnmad on April 07, 2009, 10:07:20 AM
so, the pastor of the church being searched lived in the same mobile home park? is that correct?  ::MonkeyShocked::

Yes

Wow. Interesting ... I guess we'll see.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 07, 2009, 10:08:51 AM
Okay what does this church or Preacher have to do with this case??

FBI agents pulled into the church last night.  The minister lives at space 57.  Other than that I don't know but the FBI is investigating AT LEAST the church. 

Wow.  IIRC, there has been no mention of the minister- but I would assume he was questioned.  I wonder if Sandra attended church there. 

I am just guessing, but something found led the FBI back to the church.  It wasn't just random, and the timing makes me go hmmmmmm.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 07, 2009, 10:13:18 AM
Okay what does this church or Preacher have to do with this case??

FBI agents pulled into the church last night.  The minister lives at space 57.  Other than that I don't know but the FBI is investigating AT LEAST the church. 

Wow.  IIRC, there has been no mention of the minister- but I would assume he was questioned.  I wonder if Sandra attended church there. 

I am just guessing, but something found led the FBI back to the church.  It wasn't just random, and the timing makes me go hmmmmmm.

wasn't it reported that Sandra had gone back to her home on the day that she disappeared because she and her sisters were going to church and perhaps a movie..? was it this church?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 07, 2009, 10:16:10 AM
Blink...also, read my post about traveling and marking your suitcase with a ribbon for identifying....couldn't that be useful as well? thanks.
cookie - ITA, there are lots of folks who mark their luggage this way.  If that is indeed the case, I am hopeful that forensics will find hairs, etc. 

The church being searched has me curious.  I wonder if something was found inside the suitcase with the church name on it.

could very well be...something took LE to that church...
hope that we find out soon .....the parents in that mobile home park are probably very on edge not knowing who is responsible for Sandra's death...how does one explain any of this to Sandra's friends? so fricking sad


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: goodnmad on April 07, 2009, 10:16:47 AM
Okay what does this church or Preacher have to do with this case??

FBI agents pulled into the church last night.  The minister lives at space 57.  Other than that I don't know but the FBI is investigating AT LEAST the church. 

Wow.  IIRC, there has been no mention of the minister- but I would assume he was questioned.  I wonder if Sandra attended church there. 

I am just guessing, but something found led the FBI back to the church.  It wasn't just random, and the timing makes me go hmmmmmm.

agree 100% ... the FBI doesn't act randomly. Must have been something there.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 07, 2009, 10:21:03 AM

~snip~
Jose Chavez, the girl's grandfather, said he picked Sandra up from school about 2:45 p.m. Friday and brought her home. Her mother, grandmother and three siblings were at the house, he said.
When she got home, Sandra left to play with a little girl named Kassandra in a home across the trailer park.
The girls played on a wooden swing tied to a tree in front of the house. They sat on the stoop and scribbled with crayons. They went inside and watched some of the movie "Flubber."
Then Kassandra told her mother, Maria Diaz, that Sandra had to go home to do homework, the 36-year-old mother told The Record.
When Sandra arrived home - around 4 p.m., according to a surveillance camera attached to her house - she talked about going to CHURCH and a movie with her two older sisters, her grandfather said.
When the girls realized they didn't have enough money to go to a movie, Sandra left again to play, Chavez said.

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090331/A_NEWS02/903310332/-1/A_NEWS


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: theboyzmom on April 07, 2009, 10:34:34 AM
If the minister was involved - or anyone else that is respected in the church, the penalty should be tripled. These are the people our kids are supposed to be able to trust. When you abuse that trust, death is too good for you. Slow painful daily rapes by Bubba are a much better choice. but then again if we put these animals away the first time with no chance of getting out there would not be a second time and the sickness in our world would cure itself. Yes I am evil sounding because I am TIRED of these monsters hurting a child and the whole world feels sorry for them when they can not get a job, find a place to live. As a landlord, I can not discriminate against them because they are a protected class - WTF?  I thought KIDS were to be protected? The world is screwed up and the most innocent pay the price.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 10:40:02 AM
Okay what does this church or Preacher have to do with this case??

FBI agents pulled into the church last night.  The minister lives at space 57.  Other than that I don't know but the FBI is investigating AT LEAST the church. 
OMG, I was just going to ask about the church, and you answered me with the minister lives at space 57. I just don't know what to say, but I believe there will be an arrest soon, maybe that might help her family and friends some, as least I pray it will.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 07, 2009, 10:42:15 AM
If the minister was involved - or anyone else that is respected in the church, the penalty should be tripled. These are the people our kids are supposed to be able to trust. When you abuse that trust, death is too good for you. Slow painful daily rapes by Bubba are a much better choice. but then again if we put these animals away the first time with no chance of getting out there would not be a second time and the sickness in our world would cure itself. Yes I am evil sounding because I am TIRED of these monsters hurting a child and the whole world feels sorry for them when they can not get a job, find a place to live. As a landlord, I can not discriminate against them because they are a protected class - WTF?  I thought KIDS were to be protected? The world is screwed up and the most innocent pay the price.



AGREED!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2009, 10:42:32 AM
Okay what does this church or Preacher have to do with this case??

FBI agents pulled into the church last night.  The minister lives at space 57.  Other than that I don't know but the FBI is investigating AT LEAST the church. 
OMG, I was just going to ask about the church, and you answered me with the minister lives at space 57. I just don't know what to say, but I believe there will be an arrest soon, maybe that might help her family and friends some, as least I pray it will.

They went to the church and the coincidence that bothers me is that THIS minister lives at space 57.  Maybe it's pertaining to a church member?  Maybe they think somenone might have confessed?  Maybe church pamphlet in the luggage that Sandra was found in? 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 07, 2009, 10:43:07 AM
Blink...also, read my post about traveling and marking your suitcase with a ribbon for identifying....couldn't that be useful as well? thanks.

definately a possibility Cookie, yes


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 07, 2009, 10:48:02 AM
Terrible situation and I feel so badly for the family..

Law enforcment should at least consider this while searching for the responsible party..

1. Body found 2 miles from the park in shallow water, when deep water "Delta river areas" and fast moving water "California aquaducts" is not far away. It was intended to be found. ? or
2. The cameras were put up because somebody was slashing tires on grandpa's vehicle.. Reason was because Grandpa was disposing of Pet Cats from the park.. Somebody was angry enough to slash tires.
3. She was fully clothed in the same clothes she was seen in on video.
4. The act appears juvenile or done by somebody with an IQ of 22.. probably within the park.

If a person had murdered this child and had the ability to do so I think they would have moved the suitcase to a far away location. It almost appears that a person could have pulled this suitcase without a vehicle and had very little mind in its final disposal..
It appears juvenile in nature..

I would at least give some consideration to the missing cats owners..
Angry teenager / tire slasher ? Limited ability to move a suitcase.. Did it have wheels ? was it dragged to this location or was it taken from a vehicle to this location.. If it was dragged, under 16 and if it was brought by vehicle, over 16 years of age.
 

 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 07, 2009, 10:55:53 AM
Search Warrants Target Church Near Mobile Home Park Where Sandra Cantu Lived
Created by Brian Shields on 4/7/2009 9:58:57 AM


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TRACY (KRON) -- Investigators searching for the killer of eight-year old Sandra Cantu are serving search warrants Tuesday morning at a church just an eighth of a mile away from the mobile home park where the girl lived.

Police strung crime scene tape around the Clover Road Baptist Church as investigators prepared to scour the property.  They're not saying right now how the church may be connected with the investigation.

The search warrants are being served just hours after police confirmed a body found in a suitcase at an irrigation pond about two miles from the church and mobile home park contained the child's remains.

Tracy Police Chief Janet Thiessen says Sandra was identified by the same clothes she was last seen in on March 27 – a pink “Hello Kitty” t-shirt and black leggings.

"Our heartfelt sympathies go to Sandra's family and friends," said Thiessen. "We will determine the person or persons responsible for this reprehensible act, and we will bring them to justice."

According to Sergeant Tony Sheneman, workers at a local dairy farm were preparing an irrigation pond for drainage on North Tracy Boulevard around 10 a.m. when they noticed the suitcase that floated to the surface. Workers knew of the search for Sandra and immediately called the San Joaquin County Sheriff’s Department, who then contacted Tracy police. Police and the FBI arrived around 10:30 a.m.

The large piece of rolling luggage was removed from the water around 5:40 p.m. and transported to the San Joaquin County morgue.

Sheneman says they spent hours in the area where the luggage was found, “We found lots of footprints and lots of tire tracks. I can’t say they will lead us anywhere.”
“This is an unimaginable loss for any parent,” Sheneman said.

Tracy police say they will release more information at a press conference Tuesday at 3:30 p.m.

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Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Srobbins on April 07, 2009, 10:55:57 AM
Of course my internet stopped working at 10 pm last night, so I was frantically searching on my blackberry!  My heart skipped a beat the minute I read that a source confirmed the remains of little Sandra!  I can officially say that my heart hurts for this little girl and her family and friends. 

I almost wish that I did not watch the surveillance video of her skipping and full of childhood joy! Not that picture doesn't make it personal, but this actually lets you see the personality of this beautiful child! 

I wondered why they went to the church, wonder if this preacher did have something to do with this!  Did they say when they are going to state the autopsy report?

Sorry if my thoughts are a mess, being a mother of a 2 and 4 year old really hits me hard.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 10:59:36 AM
The land that Sandra's body was found is private property, my question, is the land fenced or can anyone drive down the roads next to the fields an irrigation ditches? I'll bet the church is the church that Sandra and her siblings were talking about going to on that Friday.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 11:04:31 AM
Of course my internet stopped working at 10 pm last night, so I was frantically searching on my blackberry!  My heart skipped a beat the minute I read that a source confirmed the remains of little Sandra!  I can officially say that my heart hurts for this little girl and her family and friends. 

I almost wish that I did not watch the surveillance video of her skipping and full of childhood joy! Not that picture doesn't make it personal, but this actually lets you see the personality of this beautiful child! 

I wondered why they went to the church, wonder if this preacher did have something to do with this!  Did they say when they are going to state the autopsy report?

Sorry if my thoughts are a mess, being a mother of a 2 and 4 year old really hits me hard.
It kills to think about that surveillance video, watching that little child happy and skipping to a horrible conclusion. All I hope right now, besides they get the perp or perps, is that Sandra didn't suffer. I would imagine the autopsy results which will be done this morning, we might get a preliminary report, but maybe LE doesn't want it revealed yet.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: perriwinkle on April 07, 2009, 11:05:17 AM
I am just sick about little Sandra.  I too saw the surveilance video and it makes me so angry.  My prayers got out to all who loved her for her short life. 

These stories  of children stolen while at play confirm my over-protectiveness of my own children.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 07, 2009, 11:05:40 AM
The land that Sandra's body was found is private property, my question, is the land fenced or can anyone drive down the roads next to the fields an irrigation ditches? I'll bet the church is the church that Sandra and her siblings were talking about going to on that Friday.


Anybody can drive it.  We were very near there on Saturday night.  It is very dark and desolate.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 11:09:12 AM
The land that Sandra's body was found is private property, my question, is the land fenced or can anyone drive down the roads next to the fields an irrigation ditches? I'll bet the church is the church that Sandra and her siblings were talking about going to on that Friday.


Anybody can drive it.  We were very near there on Saturday night.  It is very dark and desolate.
Thank-you, I thought that was it, growing up in an area of many farms, you could of course drive around the area, but wasn't to sure about the area up where you are from.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 07, 2009, 11:09:30 AM
To knowledgeable monkeys:  How specific does a search warrant have to be?  I would venture to guess that getting a search warrant for a place of business or church would be easier than for someone's home, but I don't know.

Something has sent them to that church in particular.  I wouldn't think just a "tip" would have them looking at the church, taping it off, after just a few hours of when the suitcase was found.  If Sandra and family attended the church, it would have been investigated earlier, especially since the pastor lives in the same park. 

Not naming anyone in particular, but a POI could have had access to the church.  Alot of churches give members keys.  I sure would like to know who attends that church.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 11:11:13 AM
Terrible situation and I feel so badly for the family..

Law enforcment should at least consider this while searching for the responsible party..

1. Body found 2 miles from the park in shallow water, when deep water "Delta river areas" and fast moving water "California aquaducts" is not far away. It was intended to be found. ? or
2. The cameras were put up because somebody was slashing tires on grandpa's vehicle.. Reason was because Grandpa was disposing of Pet Cats from the park.. Somebody was angry enough to slash tires.
3. She was fully clothed in the same clothes she was seen in on video.
4. The act appears juvenile or done by somebody with an IQ of 22.. probably within the park.

If a person had murdered this child and had the ability to do so I think they would have moved the suitcase to a far away location. It almost appears that a person could have pulled this suitcase without a vehicle and had very little mind in its final disposal..
It appears juvenile in nature..

I would at least give some consideration to the missing cats owners..
Angry teenager / tire slasher ? Limited ability to move a suitcase.. Did it have wheels ? was it dragged to this location or was it taken from a vehicle to this location.. If it was dragged, under 16 and if it was brought by vehicle, over 16 years of age.
 

 
I brought this up early on, some kind of retaliation for the grandpa getting rid of cats.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 07, 2009, 11:18:29 AM
To knowledgeable monkeys:  How specific does a search warrant have to be?  I would venture to guess that getting a search warrant for a place of business or church would be easier than for someone's home, but I don't know.

Something has sent them to that church in particular.  I wouldn't think just a "tip" would have them looking at the church, taping it off, after just a few hours of when the suitcase was found.  If Sandra and family attended the church, it would have been investigated earlier, especially since the pastor lives in the same park. 

Not naming anyone in particular, but a POI could have had access to the church.  Alot of churches give members keys.  I sure would like to know who attends that church.

Kimmie - i'm would guess that the search warrant for the church is a result of something that they found after locating Sandra. like you said, i think the church would have already been searched by now.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2009, 11:20:33 AM


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Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2009, 11:21:37 AM
Map of the area of the church:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/11000clover.jpg)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 07, 2009, 11:28:43 AM
Klassend or anyone
Can you give me a earth photo that shows the pond in relation to the park ? Distance with access roads..
Sorry I am at work with limited resources..
Thanks..


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 07, 2009, 11:31:42 AM
Has anyone heard where inside the park the warrants were served last night?  Did they find something at that location that led them to the church?   Do they think something may have happened in the shed?  Active crime scene...hmm.  So many questions


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 07, 2009, 11:34:10 AM
When they searched for sandra the first time in the park it would be with video cameras and snap shots photos.. All they needed to do was match up the luggage to a photo from the first search in the park.

The ministers home and the church must match up ?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 07, 2009, 11:45:30 AM
The land that Sandra's body was found is private property, my question, is the land fenced or can anyone drive down the roads next to the fields an irrigation ditches? I'll bet the church is the church that Sandra and her siblings were talking about going to on that Friday.


Anybody can drive it.  We were very near there on Saturday night.  It is very dark and desolate.
Thank-you, I thought that was it, growing up in an area of many farms, you could of course drive around the area, but wasn't to sure about the area up where you are from.

but, would whoever it was who put the suitcase there been familiar with the property to know to put it there?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2009, 11:49:55 AM
Klassend or anyone
Can you give me a earth photo that shows the pond in relation to the park ? Distance with access roads..
Sorry I am at work with limited resources..
Thanks..

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/CloverBacchetti6min.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/bracchetird.jpg)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 07, 2009, 11:50:37 AM
I just don't know how a person who knew Sandra and spent time with her, outside of her immediate family of course, could interact with this little girl and then plan it, take her and then murder her...that is cold...just out and out cold and diabolical...some sick nutters in our world my friends....


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 07, 2009, 11:51:15 AM
but, would whoever it was who put the suitcase there been familiar with the property to know to put it there?


In my opinion, the person wasn't very smart.  Those irrigation things are VERY much in use right now.  They may not have known what kind of water they were dealing with.  And just up the road was the bridge for Old River.  A few miles away was the aquaduct.  There were so many choices, why pick something so close to her house?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 11:55:06 AM
but, would whoever it was who put the suitcase there been familiar with the property to know to put it there?


In my opinion, the person wasn't very smart.  Those irrigation things are VERY much in use right now.  They may not have known what kind of water they were dealing with.  And just up the road was the bridge for Old River.  A few miles away was the aquaduct.  There were so many choices, why pick something so close to her house?
I agree, someone younger, or like Edward suggested, low IQ?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 07, 2009, 11:59:00 AM
but, would whoever it was who put the suitcase there been familiar with the property to know to put it there?


In my opinion, the person wasn't very smart.  Those irrigation things are VERY much in use right now.  They may not have known what kind of water they were dealing with.  And just up the road was the bridge for Old River.  A few miles away was the aquaduct.  There were so many choices, why pick something so close to her house?

Had to be somewhere and was working with limited time? Didn't want to drive around with a suitcase with a body in it.

Was using a borrowed car? Had to return it?

Didn't have a car and wheeled it all the way there?

Was lazy/stupid like Casey?

Wanted her to be found....eventually?

Who knows.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 07, 2009, 11:59:28 AM
but, would whoever it was who put the suitcase there been familiar with the property to know to put it there?


In my opinion, the person wasn't very smart.  Those irrigation things are VERY much in use right now.  They may not have known what kind of water they were dealing with.  And just up the road was the bridge for Old River.  A few miles away was the aquaduct.  There were so many choices, why pick something so close to her house?

Perhaps the person is newer to the area and didn't know how the irrigation worked?  Also, maybe the person only had a limited time to be away and took her there quickly and returned.  A couple of miles down the road would only take a few minutes to get there then get back.  Somebody may have just wanted to get rid of the body very quickly and chose the first place they came to.  I just don't know.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 07, 2009, 12:03:15 PM
klaas is there a google pic of where the church is in relation to the park itself?

Thanks for all your pics!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 07, 2009, 12:07:51 PM
just a thought....the one   POI who has a son with a disability....what type of disability does he have? he is around 17 right? could he be a POI and the parents are covering for him? not trying to accuse him because of his disability but everything and everyone has to be considered...would not be the first time that a teenager harmed a small child...disability or not....and hid it from his parents...and isn't this a house where Sandra was said to frequent from time to time?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 07, 2009, 12:08:20 PM
Thank You Klassend.. You are wonderful.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 07, 2009, 12:10:35 PM
Perhaps this disposal site was selected to avoid searchers or roadblocks and selected in haste and under pressure.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 07, 2009, 12:10:50 PM
Wow you all are good! I went on the chruch site but didn't think to check out the addresses of the minister!
 
This is what I find frustrating most of all with this investigation....On the sunday 3/29 I drove down Clover, I had never been there before. I noticed so many sheds and out buildings. This is the street searchers first went down I was told. They went door to door and told everyone to check their out buildings and trailers. After I drove up and down looking for any thing I realized this is a place that is the most obvious. close by, lots of hiding places to keep her or do whatever. I stopped by the command center on Clover at the motel and called over one of the police officers there. I asked him if that street had been searched, he said yes mam we are searching everywhere....He did what the Tracy PD usually does, disrespect the opinions of the average citizens and an average mom.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2009, 12:11:16 PM
klaas is there a google pic of where the church is in relation to the park itself?

Thanks for all your pics!

Too close

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/MGPtoChurch.jpg)



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/ChurchToIrrigationDitch.jpg)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 07, 2009, 12:17:24 PM
This maybe the first place with standing water when you drive on Tracy Blvd. It is difficult to determin if it is an irrigation field or a part of the river or whatever.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 07, 2009, 12:18:44 PM
This maybe the first place with standing water when you drive on Tracy Blvd. It is difficult to determin if it is an irrigation field or a part of the river or whatever.



I'm not sure it's visible from the main road though. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 07, 2009, 12:20:25 PM
Here is one from google at work ..limited.. sorry


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 07, 2009, 12:21:34 PM
If it is the place I think it is, it is right before the bend on Tracy blvd. I beleive you can see water, I recall seeing this area on that Sunday I was out there. You can also see water ditches (if that is what they are called) on the side of the road.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: mytime on April 07, 2009, 12:22:32 PM
Klaas - please check your email!!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 12:27:05 PM
just a thought....the one   POI who has a son with a disability....what type of disability does he have? he is around 17 right? could he be a POI and the parents are covering for him? not trying to accuse him because of his disability but everything and everyone has to be considered...would not be the first time that a teenager harmed a small child...disability or not....and hid it from his parents...and isn't this a house where Sandra was said to frequent from time to time?
We are thinking alike, I believe the son is 21.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: MsVada on April 07, 2009, 12:28:00 PM
I read on CNN that this was a pond used for irrigation.  I pray that they find something on/in that suitcase to nail the sicko that did this to Sandra. 

My heart aches for her family. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 07, 2009, 12:30:00 PM
just a thought....the one   POI who has a son with a disability....what type of disability does he have? he is around 17 right? could he be a POI and the parents are covering for him? not trying to accuse him because of his disability but everything and everyone has to be considered...would not be the first time that a teenager harmed a small child...disability or not....and hid it from his parents...and isn't this a house where Sandra was said to frequent from time to time?
We are thinking alike, I believe the son is 21.

If Sandra was there a lot and this kid had limited social interactions? dunno....just trying to think of anyone who could be capable....does anyone know the disability of this kid?
Are there other youths in this park who may or may not have a record? would we know if they are a juvenile?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Srobbins on April 07, 2009, 12:30:34 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't they say that the farmer(s) found the suit case if the middle of the pond?  So is it wrong to assume that the suit case was put there prior to it being filled again.  Because if took four people to lift the suit case to move it out of the pond, the perp, A. would of had to throw the suit case from the side, B. wade in to the middle, by rolling it?, or C. roll it into the middle of an empty ditch two weeks ago.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 12:30:36 PM
This maybe the first place with standing water when you drive on Tracy Blvd. It is difficult to determin if it is an irrigation field or a part of the river or whatever.

That's interesting, so the person would not know that, especially if one isn't educated on farming, would maybe have no idea this was an irrigation field.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 07, 2009, 12:36:39 PM
I think the word pond sor. They are large rectangled shapped pools of water. If you recall the pictures yesterday the depth was considerable.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: MsVada on April 07, 2009, 12:37:02 PM
snip>On Monday, they got a tip about the dairy farm.

Workers on the farm were getting water from a retention pond when the black suitcase came to the surface of the water, police said.


They got a tip?  wish they'd elaborate on that more..... 

You guys mentioned the weight of the suitcase needing 4 people to get it out of the water.  I am sure it wasn't that heavy when it was dry. 



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 12:38:55 PM
Another thing that would be interesting to know, if this pastor of the church, has a son in his teenage years or early 20's and if he lives with dad.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 07, 2009, 12:38:57 PM
I think the word pond sor. They are large rectangled shapped pools of water. If you recall the pictures yesterday the depth was considerable.

Well I dont' know what happened to my sentance. I meant "I think the word pond sort of throws the scale off.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 07, 2009, 12:39:22 PM
A friend on another site just brought this up:

He also lives at the Pastor's addy.

Porfirio Martinez
812 W Clover Rd #57
Tracy, CA 95376
   


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 07, 2009, 12:39:50 PM
Somebody without a vehicle or license to drive could have used the dirt field access roads at night without being seen if the suitcase has wheels to roll on. You can see the dirt road structures in the photo..
I also live in an AG area in the Monterey bay area and my teen kids use these type of roads to ride there dirt bikes on, and they ride to the store on dirt roads..
I often go with them as it is a fun ride.

I am only suggesting and pointing out things and Not pointing to specific people..
jmho


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 07, 2009, 12:40:15 PM
I think the word pond sor. They are large rectangled shapped pools of water. If you recall the pictures yesterday the depth was considerable.

Well I dont' know what happened to my sentance. I meant "I think the word pond sort of throws the scale off.


are these man made ponds? 
if so, then the main tributary of waters would not flow into them correct? or would they?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 07, 2009, 12:41:16 PM
A friend on another site just brought this up:

He also lives at the Pastor's addy.

Porfirio Martinez
812 W Clover Rd #57
Tracy, CA 95376
   

ok...what do we know about this guy? anyone?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 12:42:38 PM
A friend on another site just brought this up:

He also lives at the Pastor's addy.

Porfirio Martinez
812 W Clover Rd #57
Tracy, CA 95376
   
Thanks, wonder who this is?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 12:43:58 PM
Somebody without a vehicle or license to drive could have used the dirt field access roads at night without being seen if the suitcase has wheels to roll on. You can see the dirt road structures in the photo..
I also live in an AG area in the Monterey bay area and my teen kids use these type of roads to ride there dirt bikes on, and they ride to the store on dirt roads..
I often go with them as it is a fun ride.

I am only suggesting and pointing out things and Not pointing to specific people..
jmho
Good point, thanks


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 07, 2009, 12:46:56 PM
Somebody without a vehicle or license to drive could have used the dirt field access roads at night without being seen if the suitcase has wheels to roll on. You can see the dirt road structures in the photo..
I also live in an AG area in the Monterey bay area and my teen kids use these type of roads to ride there dirt bikes on, and they ride to the store on dirt roads..
I often go with them as it is a fun ride.

I am only suggesting and pointing out things and Not pointing to specific people..
jmho

Edward, I thought of this as well..the only problem that I came up with, were the police watching all areas of this park? I know that there was only 1 entrance/exit from what they said...but could there have been a back way to get to this pond by the dirt road...wheeling the suitcase there? it doesn't seem that they would have gotten out of the entrance the first few days with a suitcase in the vehicle cause weren't they searching vehicles then? coming and going?  is there a "back way" to the church shed from the pastors home or the park? from the shed to the pond....


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 07, 2009, 12:48:20 PM
klaas is there a google pic of where the church is in relation to the park itself?

Thanks for all your pics!

Too close

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/MGPtoChurch.jpg)



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/ChurchToIrrigationDitch.jpg)

It is close! Thanks for the pics.

There is someone over yonder saying that a 44 year old hispanic man is staying with the pastor.

I don't know if it's rumor or fact.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 07, 2009, 12:48:33 PM
^^^^ a short cut from the pastor's mobile home to his church? within walking distance? wheeling a suitcase in the dead of night? just thoughts....no facts to go with any of my rambling...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: O4Bull on April 07, 2009, 12:49:32 PM
snip>On Monday, they got a tip about the dairy farm.

Workers on the farm were getting water from a retention pond when the black suitcase came to the surface of the water, police said.


They got a tip?  wish they'd elaborate on that more..... 

You guys mentioned the weight of the suitcase needing 4 people to get it out of the water.  I am sure it wasn't that heavy when it was dry. 
When they said it came to the surface, was that because the water was all drained out?



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 07, 2009, 12:49:33 PM
The loading of a suitcase could have been witnessed by anyone in the park area if that is where it was transported from.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 07, 2009, 12:50:54 PM
The loading of a suitcase could have been witnessed by anyone in the park area if that is where it was transported from.



maybe someone noticed it but did not think anything of it at the time...but now, well.....might remember it....and think something of it..


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 07, 2009, 12:52:11 PM
I don't think the police were stopping cars on clover, I went down that street with no problem. Only the enterance of the MHP.
Clover also ends, then there are fields  I believe but no roads (I am not sure, never been past the end). It connects to  Corral Hollow which you can get to a road that turns into Tracy Blvd. Sort of the long hard way to get there. They probably just put the suit case in a car and drove by 100's of people.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 07, 2009, 12:54:15 PM
8 years old is about 40-50 lbs. Just a small child
Almost anyone could pick that up and walk with it a short distance, surely not as far as it was taken.. It had to have some sort of transport method. Wheels or on a cart or in a car even though it appears to be a short distance it is still to far to carry and dirt roads have hard and soft spots too.
So some method .. and a possible witness too at some point along the route.

I think the police will solve this..

jmho


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 07, 2009, 12:56:39 PM
Church is close to the MHP. Since the shack they mentioned is being considered a crime scene they may feel this is where the person took her? I bet the person felt a church would be safe, "who would look for her here?" But I will leave the work to you all, wow! You are all doing well by Sandra


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 07, 2009, 01:02:08 PM
Do you think the person who took her was driving at the time? Once she gets into the car they take her to the shack or church, either then or later in the day or evening, do whatever they do, sticks her into a suit case, places her into a car and drives off?



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 07, 2009, 01:02:28 PM
A friend on another site just brought this up:

He also lives at the Pastor's addy.

Porfirio Martinez
812 W Clover Rd #57
Tracy, CA 95376
   

Spring, he does not, that poster is incorrect, This man lives at #76, fyi.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 07, 2009, 01:08:55 PM
I don't think the police were stopping cars on clover, I went down that street with no problem. Only the enterance of the MHP.
Clover also ends, then there are fields  I believe but no roads (I am not sure, never been past the end). It connects to  Corral Hollow which you can get to a road that turns into Tracy Blvd. Sort of the long hard way to get there. They probably just put the suit case in a car and drove by 100's of people.

I am betting she was dumped before the cops were even called Tracygirl. jmo


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2009, 01:13:27 PM
Looks like they are going to have a live press conf shortly:

http://www.kcra.com/video/9292412/index.html


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 07, 2009, 01:15:33 PM
I don't think the police were stopping cars on clover, I went down that street with no problem. Only the enterance of the MHP.
Clover also ends, then there are fields  I believe but no roads (I am not sure, never been past the end). It connects to  Corral Hollow which you can get to a road that turns into Tracy Blvd. Sort of the long hard way to get there. They probably just put the suit case in a car and drove by 100's of people.

they could have easily driven out of the park with an alive Sandra earlier in the day before she was reported missing...took her to another location...did the deed...oh,,,give me chills to say that...then hid her somewhere else or left her at the second location, or the shed by the church, got the suitcase and then took her to the pond...so even if their car was searched if it was someone from the park, they would have already driven out with Sandra before the police were even aware that she was missing...
doesn't that martial arts guy leave for work around 4? that is around the last time that Sandra was seen leaving her home, on the video..it was reported that he drove by her house even though he didn't need to...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 07, 2009, 01:16:52 PM
Looks like they are going to have a live press conf shortly:

http://www.kcra.com/video/9292412/index.html

Klaas...I couldn't get that video....when it happens, would you be so kind to provide a link...?
thanks..


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2009, 01:17:10 PM
Looks like they are going to have a live press conf shortly:

http://www.kcra.com/video/9292412/index.html


Also here:

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 07, 2009, 01:19:01 PM
Those field shacks are used by farm workers..
There are astounding statistics associated with south of the border males, crimes against American children, with American Hispanic children being attacked at alarming percentages..

Somebody like that would have to had access to her at the park ?
Or she would have had to try to walk to the church by herself and had been abducted.
Did the grandfather have any friends who came here from Mexico and worked the fields ? Possibly somebody who worked around his home and was familiar with Sandra ? Somebody she may not have been alarmed by ?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 07, 2009, 01:21:22 PM
Those field shacks are used by farm workers..
There are astounding statistics associated with south of the border males, crimes against American children, with American Hispanic children being attacked at alarming percentages..

Somebody like that would have to had access to her at the park ?
Or she would have had to try to walk to the church by herself and had been abducted.
Did the grandfather have any friends who came here from Mexico and worked the fields ? Possibly somebody who worked around his home and was familiar with Sandra ? Somebody she may not have been alarmed by ?

Edward...maybe she DID try to walk to the church herself and someone, a stranger  or someone known to her, abducted her on her way...that could very well be...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 07, 2009, 01:22:26 PM
He has a class at 4:30, the studio is 2 min away. A parent stated he was there at 4:15 or 4:20 when she arrived

Here is a link to his business site with hours

http://www.deltakajukenbo.com/About.aspx (http://www.deltakajukenbo.com/About.aspx)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 07, 2009, 01:22:31 PM
I don't think the police were stopping cars on clover, I went down that street with no problem. Only the enterance of the MHP.
Clover also ends, then there are fields  I believe but no roads (I am not sure, never been past the end). It connects to  Corral Hollow which you can get to a road that turns into Tracy Blvd. Sort of the long hard way to get there. They probably just put the suit case in a car and drove by 100's of people.

they could have easily driven out of the park with an alive Sandra earlier in the day before she was reported missing...took her to another location...did the deed...oh,,,give me chills to say that...then hid her somewhere else or left her at the second location, or the shed by the church, got the suitcase and then took her to the pond...so even if their car was searched if it was someone from the park, they would have already driven out with Sandra before the police were even aware that she was missing...
doesn't that martial arts guy leave for work around 4? that is around the last time that Sandra was seen leaving her home, on the video..it was reported that he drove by her house even though he didn't need to...

It think this would also fit the field worker scenario..
Taking off with her before anyone realizes ..


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 01:25:43 PM
I don't think the police were stopping cars on clover, I went down that street with no problem. Only the enterance of the MHP.
Clover also ends, then there are fields  I believe but no roads (I am not sure, never been past the end). It connects to  Corral Hollow which you can get to a road that turns into Tracy Blvd. Sort of the long hard way to get there. They probably just put the suit case in a car and drove by 100's of people.

I am betting she was dumped before the cops were even called Tracygirl. jmo
That's what I'm thinking also  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: BluesyGram on April 07, 2009, 01:26:35 PM
Doubtful that a farm worker would have had a nice piece of luggage like that.  Someone at that motel would have luggage though.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2009, 01:27:00 PM
Looks like this link is working and the PC may be soon:

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 01:29:10 PM
The outpouring of the city with balloons and stuffed animals and all, how sad. I do hope her mother is alright, wonder if she is still in the hospital?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 01:29:52 PM
Doubtful that a farm worker would have had a nice piece of luggage like that.  Someone at that motel would have luggage though.


And nobody would think anything of luggage at a motel.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 07, 2009, 01:30:01 PM
snip>On Monday, they got a tip about the dairy farm.

Workers on the farm were getting water from a retention pond when the black suitcase came to the surface of the water, police said.


They got a tip?  wish they'd elaborate on that more..... 

You guys mentioned the weight of the suitcase needing 4 people to get it out of the water.   I am sure it wasn't that heavy when it was dry. 
When they said it came to the surface, was that because the water was all drained out?


I would bet that the suitcase wasn't really that heavy, they had 4 people carrying it so as to not disturb the contents.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2009, 01:30:45 PM
NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/07/sandra-cantu-case-church-is-crime-scene/

Sandra Cantu Case- Church is Crime Scene


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 07, 2009, 01:32:32 PM
Doubtful that a farm worker would have had a nice piece of luggage like that.  Someone at that motel would have luggage though.



Good thought..


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 01:34:20 PM
NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/07/sandra-cantu-case-church-is-crime-scene/

Sandra Cantu Case- Church is Crime Scene

Thank-you  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Maybe they will announce an arrest.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2009, 01:36:11 PM
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090407/A_NEWS/90407004

Tracy church a crime scene in girl’s slaying (9:57 a.m.)

By The Record
April 07, 2009
TRACY -- The Police Department, shifting gears from trying to find Sandra Cantu to trying to find her killer, has roped off Clover Road Baptist Church with yellow crime-scene tape.

The church is less than 100 yards west of Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, where Cantu lived. The 8-year-old girl’s body was discovered Monday inside a suitcase floating in an irrigation pond two miles north of her home.

A residence inside the mobile-home park also has been roped off as a crime scene.

Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman was holding a 10 a.m. news conference today.

A tree in front of the Orchard Estates park has become an unofficial memorial to Cantu. Passersby, some of them softly weeping with heads bowed, continue to drop off balloons, stuffed animals, notes and candles.

Tracy Unified has several counselors meeting with students this morning at Melville S. Jacobson Elementary where Cantu had been a student.

Come back to recordnet.com for updates and read Wednesday’s Record for more on this story.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2009, 01:36:41 PM
Any minute - live Press Conf:

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 07, 2009, 01:36:54 PM
Doubtful that a farm worker would have had a nice piece of luggage like that.  Someone at that motel would have luggage though.



Good thought..


Red ribbon also used in airport ID by owners so evidently the luggage has been on flights.

Tip:  Don't use red as so many others do now. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: EverySunset on April 07, 2009, 01:41:39 PM
I have nothing to add, except that I am sickened and angry, just like the rest of you. I will do whatever I can to help stop these sick f*cks from hurting anymore babies or people in general. Just point me in the direction of what I need to do. I am angry like the rest of you & will join you in helping to protect our children from pedophiles. What can I do, right now this instant? I am so angry I wanna break everything in my apartment.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: BluesyGram on April 07, 2009, 01:43:23 PM
NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/07/sandra-cantu-case-church-is-crime-scene/

Sandra Cantu Case- Church is Crime Scene




Thanks Klaas & Blink.  So the home searched in the park is the home of the ministers....WOW.




Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 01:43:49 PM
I have nothing to add, except that I am sickened and angry, just like the rest of you. I will do whatever I can to help stop these sick f*cks from hurting anymore babies or people in general. Just point me in the direction of what I need to do. I am angry like the rest of you & will join you in helping to protect our children from pedophiles. What can I do, right now this instant? I am so angry I wanna break everything in my apartment.
Me too, and I want to help with anything I can do as well, I've had it, I'm more then willing to help in anyway I can.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 07, 2009, 01:45:03 PM
I continue to believe that LE along with FBI are handling this in a professional and thorough manner.  Spokesperson did say they had direction and there was a lot of evidence.

They just need time to process all of it, etc.

And a person can steal a suitcase.  Hope all are checking to be sure their sets are complete as some store inside each other.  My whole set stores inside itself.

I am patient and willing to allow LE to take their time and get it RIGHT.  It will make all the difference later if/when there is a trial.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 07, 2009, 01:47:37 PM
I have nothing to add, except that I am sickened and angry, just like the rest of you. I will do whatever I can to help stop these sick f*cks from hurting anymore babies or people in general. Just point me in the direction of what I need to do. I am angry like the rest of you & will join you in helping to protect our children from pedophiles. What can I do, right now this instant? I am so angry I wanna break everything in my apartment.
Me too, and I want to help with anything I can do as well, I've had it, I'm more then willing to help in anyway I can.

me three....


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A's Fever on April 07, 2009, 01:47:43 PM
snip>On Monday, they got a tip about the dairy farm.

Workers on the farm were getting water from a retention pond when the black suitcase came to the surface of the water, police said.


They got a tip?  wish they'd elaborate on that more..... 

You guys mentioned the weight of the suitcase needing 4 people to get it out of the water.   I am sure it wasn't that heavy when it was dry. 
When they said it came to the surface, was that because the water was all drained out?


I would bet that the suitcase wasn't really that heavy, they had 4 people carrying it so as to not disturb the contents.

Also, since they already pretty much knew what was in it, it was a sign of respect . . . like pallbearers.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 01:47:51 PM
I continue to believe that LE along with FBI are handling this in a professional and thorough manner.  Spokesperson did say they had direction and there was a lot of evidence.

They just need time to process all of it, etc.

And a person can steal a suitcase.  Hope all are checking to be sure their sets are complete as some store inside each other.  My whole set stores inside itself.

I am patient and willing to allow LE to take their time and get it RIGHT.  It will make all the difference later if/when there is a trial.


I believe also that they are handling this very well, very professional. I also have patience, I want this done right, and whoever did this will never see the light of day again.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 07, 2009, 01:50:55 PM
Doubtful that a farm worker would have had a nice piece of luggage like that.  Someone at that motel would have luggage though.



Good thought..

yep...good point...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 07, 2009, 01:52:00 PM
I continue to believe that LE along with FBI are handling this in a professional and thorough manner.  Spokesperson did say they had direction and there was a lot of evidence.

They just need time to process all of it, etc.

And a person can steal a suitcase.  Hope all are checking to be sure their sets are complete as some store inside each other.  My whole set stores inside itself.

I am patient and willing to allow LE to take their time and get it RIGHT.  It will make all the difference later if/when there is a trial.


I believe also that they are handling this very well, very professional. I also have patience, I want this done right, and whoever did this will never see the light of day again.


Exactly!  They won't have to plea bargain or anything.  Will have the person completely and the perp can't even bargain to tell where remains are because they have them. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A's Fever on April 07, 2009, 01:52:28 PM
Trying to follow but I am confused.  Does the pastor live in Sandra's mobile home park?  And both his residence and his church have been identified as a crime scene?  But he was not one of the previously discussed POI's?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 07, 2009, 01:54:03 PM
I have nothing to add, except that I am sickened and angry, just like the rest of you. I will do whatever I can to help stop these sick f*cks from hurting anymore babies or people in general. Just point me in the direction of what I need to do. I am angry like the rest of you & will join you in helping to protect our children from pedophiles. What can I do, right now this instant? I am so angry I wanna break everything in my apartment.

Run a sex offender check in the area of a child you love and share it with their parents. The pray and hang with us.
B


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 07, 2009, 01:54:40 PM
Just something to think about. A red ribbon has a certain significance in the asian culter, especially japanese.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 07, 2009, 01:54:56 PM
Trying to follow but I am confused.  Does the pastor live in Sandra's mobile home park?  And both his residence and his church have been identified as a crime scene?  But he was not one of the previously discussed POI's?

I think so...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: EverySunset on April 07, 2009, 02:04:16 PM
I have nothing to add, except that I am sickened and angry, just like the rest of you. I will do whatever I can to help stop these sick f*cks from hurting anymore babies or people in general. Just point me in the direction of what I need to do. I am angry like the rest of you & will join you in helping to protect our children from pedophiles. What can I do, right now this instant? I am so angry I wanna break everything in my apartment.

Run a sex offender check in the area of a child you love and share it with their parents. The pray and hang with us.
B

Thank you, I actually already have done this with my brother & sister. They have kids, but I don't. But, I did show them all the REGISTERED SO's in their area & warned them that there are more. I will stay here with you guys, but, I see everyone talking about how this has to stop & I agree & want to help. Where do I start? Writing letters to congressmen? I think I may just write everybody, including the president & his wife.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2009, 02:04:20 PM
Trying to follow but I am confused.  Does the pastor live in Sandra's mobile home park?  And both his residence and his church have been identified as a crime scene?  But he was not one of the previously discussed POI's?

Correct on all the above


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 07, 2009, 02:04:24 PM
Does anyone know where the red ribbon was on  the suitcase? We are assuming it was a luggage tag. This sort of freaks me out because the color red and especially a red ribbon can be a key in this. is there anyway of finding out where the ribbon was and how it was tied on?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 07, 2009, 02:05:13 PM
Just something to think about. A red ribbon has a certain significance in the asian culter, especially japanese.

I don't think there was any red ribbon.



From the presser notes:
Rode was paved.
Perp KNEW of that ROAD
Sgt. has lived in Tracy 9 years and NEVER been on that road


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2009, 02:05:45 PM
Just something to think about. A red ribbon has a certain significance in the asian culter, especially japanese.

Maybe but it just so happens I have a red yarn ribbon on one of my pieces of luggage.  Very common to try and mark your luggage that way so it's easier to see.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 07, 2009, 02:08:21 PM
Just something to think about. A red ribbon has a certain significance in the asian culter, especially japanese.

I don't think there was any red ribbon.



From the presser notes:
Rode was paved.
Perp KNEW of that ROAD
Sgt. has lived in Tracy 9 years and NEVER been on that road


It was first reported there was a red ribbon tied on it


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: goodnmad on April 07, 2009, 02:08:48 PM
I have nothing to add, except that I am sickened and angry, just like the rest of you. I will do whatever I can to help stop these sick f*cks from hurting anymore babies or people in general. Just point me in the direction of what I need to do. I am angry like the rest of you & will join you in helping to protect our children from pedophiles. What can I do, right now this instant? I am so angry I wanna break everything in my apartment.

Run a sex offender check in the area of a child you love and share it with their parents. The pray and hang with us.
B

Yes, I have done that and my child was old enough for me to SHOW her their faces and warn her. I've also instructed her for many years now not to "be nice" if anyone tries anything. Nice girl goes out the damn window and you scream and kick and bite and gouge and run!

I will always remember what I heard on a talk show years ago -- advice for women's self-defense -- if they try to take you to second location fight with all you have right then and there because you are as good as dead if they succeed.

I always find acting "crazy" helps to deter potential attackers. Seriously. Scare the snit out of them.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A's Fever on April 07, 2009, 02:10:08 PM
Trying to follow but I am confused.  Does the pastor live in Sandra's mobile home park?  And both his residence and his church have been identified as a crime scene?  But he was not one of the previously discussed POI's?

Correct on all the above

K thanks.

I wonder if he is even an RSO . . .


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 07, 2009, 02:10:55 PM
I have nothing to add, except that I am sickened and angry, just like the rest of you. I will do whatever I can to help stop these sick f*cks from hurting anymore babies or people in general. Just point me in the direction of what I need to do. I am angry like the rest of you & will join you in helping to protect our children from pedophiles. What can I do, right now this instant? I am so angry I wanna break everything in my apartment.

Run a sex offender check in the area of a child you love and share it with their parents. The pray and hang with us.
B

Thank you, I actually already have done this with my brother & sister. They have kids, but I don't. But, I did show them all the REGISTERED SO's in their area & warned them that there are more. I will stay here with you guys, but, I see everyone talking about how this has to stop & I agree & want to help. Where do I start? Writing letters to congressmen? I think I may just write everybody, including the president & his wife.

Don't just teach your kids/nieces and nephews about NOT talking to strangers because odds are if something happens it will be someone they know.

Let them know that Adults do not EVER need a kids help. Not to find another child, to ask for directions or to find a lost ball/puppy/kitty, etc...
That their body is their own and if anyone ever tries to touch them, to tell another adult. Never keep it a secret.
That if any adult tries to take them or pull them into a car to scream NO, fight, bite, punch, and scream bloody murder.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 07, 2009, 02:13:01 PM
Just something to think about. A red ribbon has a certain significance in the asian culter, especially japanese.

Maybe but it just so happens I have a red yarn ribbon on one of my pieces of luggage.  Very common to try and mark your luggage that way so it's easier to see.

I was once told by a very smart person  who worked as an investigator, if you wish to catch a criminal you cannot think like a sane person. In the japanese culture a red ribbon signifies a predestined love or faith. It ties to souls together. It is ironic to me a church was a location of interest...

Maybe I am really completely off base, but it is something interesting to consider.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 07, 2009, 02:15:04 PM
Just something to think about. A red ribbon has a certain significance in the asian culter, especially japanese.

I don't think there was any red ribbon.



From the presser notes:
Rode was paved.
Perp KNEW of that ROAD
Sgt. has lived in Tracy 9 years and NEVER been on that road


It was first reported there was a red ribbon tied on it

It was first reported by one station only that later redacted it. Google News "red ribbon sandra cantu" the only NEWS article that pops up, still has a link to the story with that in the title but the article was updated and red ribbon was removed.

LE said at the presser there was nothing attached to the suitcase.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 07, 2009, 02:17:01 PM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82542&page=11

Lordy, these poor posters fumbling all over trying to post a link to blinkoncrime with post after post of smackdowns. Then discussion of the contents.. This is about a dead baby.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 07, 2009, 02:19:09 PM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82542&page=11

Lordy, these poor posters fumbling all over trying to post a link to blinkoncrime with post after post of smackdowns. Then discussion of the contents.. This is about a dead baby.

I think it's ridiculous that they won't let people link to your articles. We are all working towards the same goal.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 07, 2009, 02:20:59 PM
Just something to think about. A red ribbon has a certain significance in the asian culter, especially japanese.

Maybe but it just so happens I have a red yarn ribbon on one of my pieces of luggage.  Very common to try and mark your luggage that way so it's easier to see.

I was once told by a very smart person  who worked as an investigator, if you wish to catch a criminal you cannot think like a sane person. In the japanese culture a red ribbon signifies a predestined love or faith. It ties to souls together. It is ironic to me a church was a location of interest...

Maybe I am really completely off base, but it is something interesting to consider.

I used to have a red ribbon on my suitcase handles until my BIL came out of airport with somebody else's luggage who also had one when he picked me up one time.

Now mine is turquoise.

I don't recall whose tip it was to find the luggage marking it with a ribbon now as it has been several years ago but think it might have been Martha Stewart who came up with that idea.





Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 02:22:06 PM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82542&page=11

Lordy, these poor posters fumbling all over trying to post a link to blinkoncrime with post after post of smackdowns. Then discussion of the contents.. This is about a dead baby.

I think it's ridiculous that they won't let people link to your articles. We are all working towards the same goal.


I totally agree, it's nuts.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 07, 2009, 02:23:42 PM
Unless it was brand new luggage, I would think a suitcase would be just full of fibers and trace evidence, too.  Possibly even fingerprints inside.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 07, 2009, 02:24:55 PM
A's I agree that it likely did not take four to carry.  They gave her an honor escort.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: goodnmad on April 07, 2009, 02:33:00 PM
IMO an arrest will be made very soon ...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 07, 2009, 02:33:37 PM
BBL for the next presser. . . . . LE is even keeping us well informed in a professional manner.

I think they have a reason for being confident.  I hope and pray I am right about that and they are not just seeming to be for PR reasons.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: jaggard19 on April 07, 2009, 02:42:12 PM
Last night, when I signed on here to "lurk", I read the sad news and cried.  Prayers to Sandra's family.

Everyone here agrees that it is time to do something.  I strongly suggest the following for those who are serious about wanting to do something:

1.  For the children in your family (and this includes grandchildren who visit their grandparents), get an I.D. kit from the local police department.  If your child or grandchild goes missing, how long will it take you to gather vital information?  It should be ready (and hopefully never needed).  This would include a current picture, weight, height, DOb info, DNA samples, identifying birth marks, phone numbers of parents, grandparents, list of relatives, and list of babysitters, etc.  The kits are usually available from the local police department.

2.  Join the Citzens on Patrol group in your neighborhood.  They are the eyes and ears of the police department.  They cannot make an arrest, do not interfere with a crime being committed, and carry no weapons.  But, they canvas their neighborhood 24/7.  Sure, there are times when there is no one available, but the criminal never knows what the time would be.  It is a presence in the neighborhood, and sometimes that is all that is needed.  Check it out on the web, then check out your local COP units.  If need be, call your local police office to find out the closest one to you.  It may take only one hour of your time a month, but tell me what else you are doing that is more important that safeguarding your neighborhood?

I shed many tears last night for Sandra.  Prayers for her family and friends.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 07, 2009, 02:45:09 PM
IMO an arrest will be made very soon ...

yes. I agree


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 07, 2009, 02:48:21 PM
In wake of tragedy, Tracy could lead nation 
Tuesday, 07 April 2009

Hope of rescuing 8 year-old Sandra Cantu collapsed yesterday, when police located the child's body in Tracy, California. But there is still hope for other Tracy children--and it's in the hands of Tracy leaders.

Law enforcement officials investigating the disappearance of Sandra Cantu recently revealed that they had identified 60 area suspects trafficking in child pornography online.

These criminals don't traffic in heroin or crack cocaine. They traffic in crime scene photos and movies of the rape, torture and degredation of children. And their foul market can only be supplied one way.

Research shows that a large percentage of the Tracy 60 will have local child victims. They will be parents, teachers, coaches, neighbors, even convicted sex offenders. Anyone who thinks these criminals are simply "looking at pictures" has his head deep in the sand while a human rights tragedy unfolds all around him.

The announcement about the Tracy 60 showed rare courage for a local police force. By acknowledging the existence of these criminals in their midst, Tracy authorities admitted publicly that they know where child predators are and just haven't dedicated the resources to go get them... yet.

Now Tracy has the opportunity to fire a shot that will be heard around the world. If they continue on with their investigation, tracking down every child pornography trafficker they have evidence of, they will surely save other Tracy children. They will prove the connection between child pornography crimes and child sexual assault in the most dramatic way possible, just when the entire nation is watching. And that will raise the stakes for communities who refuse to take similar action.

This operation will surely strain Tracy's limited resources. But in the wake of the murder of Sandra Cantu, how can Tracy do anything else?

http://www.protect.org/Newswire/California/In-wake-of-tragedy-Tracy-could-lead-nation.html


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 07, 2009, 02:52:45 PM
The day 8-year-old Sandra Cantu of Tracy went missing — March 27 — so did about 2,100 other kids throughout the country.

In San Joaquin County, 3,228 children were reported missing last year, according to the Department of Justice. Annually, at least 800,000 nationwide are reported missing. Another 500,000 disappear without anyone to report it, the feds say.

Of California’s 114,000 children reported missing last year, 106,000 were found or returned on their own. Thirty-five were found dead — two of them in San Joaquin County.

That leaves 8,000 California kids who never made it home last year and whose whereabouts remain a mystery.


But some, like Sandra, get extra attention.

Larry Bonney of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children said that’s because Sandra’s disappearance is unusual in several ways.

“The reason we have a particular concern with her is because there is no satisfactory or logical reason that she went missing,” he said.

The case lacks evidence to point to what kind of disappearance it is — abduction, a runaway or something else, he noted. Sandra’s family believes their daughter was kidnapped. The Jacobson Elementary School second-grader usually stayed inside the bounds of the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, her family said, so it’s unlike her to have wandered off.

Surveillance footage that records the last moments before the girl went missing shows Sandra playfully skipping past her family’s home — no signs of anything suspicious as far as police can tell. But to say someone took Sandra is conjecture until evidence proves otherwise.

Still, with every day that passes without signs of Sandra, the implication becomes more ominous, said Bonney, who worked 26 years for the FBI before joining the missing children organization.

Sandra has been gone for 10 days now and in all of the 1,000 tips received by investigators police have yet to find one strong enough to help them narrow down the search.

Investigators found what appears to be a suitcase at the bottom of an irrigation pond on a dairy farm a couple miles away from Sandra’s home that might shed some light on the girl’s disappearance. But that’s the first solid lead since the desperate search started. FBI technicians said it might take until nightfall for them to open it up.

Otherwise, even the best tips have so far failed to lead police to Sandra.

“The more you search without finding the child, the greater the fear,” Bonney said.

The mystery surrounding Sandra’s disappearance, and the continued uncertainty of the investigation greatly fuel the media attention in the case, Bonney added.

“We have lots of missing children who get back home in a matter of hours,” he said. “When they go missing for this period of time, it raises the concern level considerably.”

In fact, the vast majority children reported missing eventually come home. And quickly.

Robert DeLeo, executive director of Petaluma-based Polly Klaas Foundation, said it’s tough to say what makes one missing child case more high profile than another.

Unusual circumstances play a part to catapult a story into the national spotlight he said.

And the age of a child could dictate the amount of attention a missing person gets, he added. Sandra’s youth implies vulnerability, Bonney and DeLeo said.

Most missing kids are younger than 10, though, according to a national registry compiled by the department of justice. And most of them were taken by family members in what are heated child custody battles, according to the state.

Only one in every 10,000 children reported missing was taken by violent or predatory kidnappers, according a state report. Of that number, the state says, 74 percent of the children end up murdered in a span of three hours after abduction.

Chances are the child ends up home again. When it begins to look like “foul play,” as the police call it, news gatherers pay extra attention.

Those are all just partial explanations, though, Bonney and DeLeo point out. What makes people curious is a broad question, affected by any number of case-by-case specifics.

“That’s a good question — ‘Why are some cases more high profile than others?’” DeLeo said. “I’m still learning that myself.”

The nonprofit foundation DeLeo directs was born out of a two-month search for a Petaluma girl, 12-year-old Polly Klaas, who was kidnapped and then murdered in 1993. Volunteers put together a “search and rescue” center that still stands to this day. Since then, the foundation has helped police state- and nationwide bring 7,100 reported missing children come home.

Though success stories are more common, the nonprofit has its share of children in the registry missing for six, seven and eight years. The group never labels them cold cases, DeLeo said.

“We always keep hope, we always keep cases going,” he said.

Ultimately, Bonney said, it’s up to the press to decide how much press a case gets.

“We don’t really have any control over the amount of press that’s involved with any particular child,” he said. “But any press, we consider to be a good thing.”

http://tracypress.com/content/view/17737/2268/


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Dolce on April 07, 2009, 02:54:56 PM
I have nothing to add, except that I am sickened and angry, just like the rest of you. I will do whatever I can to help stop these sick f*cks from hurting anymore babies or people in general. Just point me in the direction of what I need to do. I am angry like the rest of you & will join you in helping to protect our children from pedophiles. What can I do, right now this instant? I am so angry I wanna break everything in my apartment.

Run a sex offender check in the area of a child you love and share it with their parents. The pray and hang with us.
B
Very good tip Blink.  My father does this on a monthly basis and shows the photos of each disgusting individual to my siblings so they know for sure.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Dolce on April 07, 2009, 02:55:33 PM
Trying to follow but I am confused.  Does the pastor live in Sandra's mobile home park?  And both his residence and his church have been identified as a crime scene?  But he was not one of the previously discussed POI's?

Correct on all the above
Nothing is shocking to me anymore.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Dolce on April 07, 2009, 02:57:31 PM
Yes, I have done that and my child was old enough for me to SHOW her their faces and warn her. I've also instructed her for many years now not to "be nice" if anyone tries anything. Nice girl goes out the damn window and you scream and kick and bite and gouge and run!

I will always remember what I heard on a talk show years ago -- advice for women's self-defense -- if they try to take you to second location fight with all you have right then and there because you are as good as dead if they succeed.

I always find acting "crazy" helps to deter potential attackers. Seriously. Scare the snit out of them.
Good post.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Dolce on April 07, 2009, 02:58:30 PM
Don't just teach your kids/nieces and nephews about NOT talking to strangers because odds are if something happens it will be someone they know.

Let them know that Adults do not EVER need a kids help. Not to find another child, to ask for directions or to find a lost ball/puppy/kitty, etc...
That their body is their own and if anyone ever tries to touch them, to tell another adult. Never keep it a secret.
That if any adult tries to take them or pull them into a car to scream NO, fight, bite, punch, and scream bloody murder.

ITA Good points Pinky.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Dolce on April 07, 2009, 03:01:33 PM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82542&page=11

Lordy, these poor posters fumbling all over trying to post a link to blinkoncrime with post after post of smackdowns. Then discussion of the contents.. This is about a dead baby.
Some people just have no tact Blink, and that is why I am here at SM.  You are one of the best reporters I have ever read, you are informative, and you do your own investigations without relying on others to hold your hand.  Keep up the good work, and don't let those others get to you - they are not worth it!  (Or worth this post...:) )


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Dolce on April 07, 2009, 03:04:14 PM
Unless it was brand new luggage, I would think a suitcase would be just full of fibers and trace evidence, too.  Possibly even fingerprints inside.


Exactly.  I can not even count how many times I have pinched myself with the zippers when trying to cram that last outfit in by sitting on the luggage and zipping or fastening.  So if this luggage was not brand new for sure there are some skin cells, prints, sweat, and/or fluids from soiled clothes due to use.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: BluesyGram on April 07, 2009, 03:16:38 PM
In wake of tragedy, Tracy could lead nation 
Tuesday, 07 April 2009

Hope of rescuing 8 year-old Sandra Cantu collapsed yesterday, when police located the child's body in Tracy, California. But there is still hope for other Tracy children--and it's in the hands of Tracy leaders.

Law enforcement officials investigating the disappearance of Sandra Cantu recently revealed that they had identified 60 area suspects trafficking in child pornography online.

These criminals don't traffic in heroin or crack cocaine. They traffic in crime scene photos and movies of the rape, torture and degredation of children. And their foul market can only be supplied one way.

Research shows that a large percentage of the Tracy 60 will have local child victims. They will be parents, teachers, coaches, neighbors, even convicted sex offenders. Anyone who thinks these criminals are simply "looking at pictures" has his head deep in the sand while a human rights tragedy unfolds all around him.

The announcement about the Tracy 60 showed rare courage for a local police force. By acknowledging the existence of these criminals in their midst, Tracy authorities admitted publicly that they know where child predators are and just haven't dedicated the resources to go get them... yet.

Now Tracy has the opportunity to fire a shot that will be heard around the world. If they continue on with their investigation, tracking down every child pornography trafficker they have evidence of, they will surely save other Tracy children. They will prove the connection between child pornography crimes and child sexual assault in the most dramatic way possible, just when the entire nation is watching. And that will raise the stakes for communities who refuse to take similar action.

This operation will surely strain Tracy's limited resources. But in the wake of the murder of Sandra Cantu, how can Tracy do anything else?

http://www.protect.org/Newswire/California/In-wake-of-tragedy-Tracy-could-lead-nation.html



Thanks for posting this article Pink Angel.  I bet all those perverts are packing up planning on moving right now.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Gypsy DD on April 07, 2009, 03:18:28 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys,

What sad news ..another child murdered and thrown away.  There is just too much of this type of senseless crime going on today with children as victims.

I have a question.  Since the pastor was not, as far as we know, a POI prior to yesterday..do we know for certain what lead the LE to his home and church?  Was it something in the suitcase like a note or was it a tip?  Something definite had to send them in his direction.

TY


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 07, 2009, 03:19:03 PM
I have nothing to add, except that I am sickened and angry, just like the rest of you. I will do whatever I can to help stop these sick f*cks from hurting anymore babies or people in general. Just point me in the direction of what I need to do. I am angry like the rest of you & will join you in helping to protect our children from pedophiles. What can I do, right now this instant? I am so angry I wanna break everything in my apartment.

Run a sex offender check in the area of a child you love and share it with their parents. The pray and hang with us.
B
Very good tip Blink.  My father does this on a monthly basis and shows the photos of each disgusting individual to my siblings so they know for sure.

Wonderful Dolce-  (and may I say +2 are coming along nicely!!)
It's a nasty prospect, not fun to "peruse" these scumbags, but very necessary.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 07, 2009, 03:24:59 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys,

What sad news ..another child murdered and thrown away.  There is just too much of this type of senseless crime going on today with children as victims.

I have a question.  Since the pastor was not, as far as we know, a POI prior to yesterday..do we know for certain what lead the LE to his home and church?  Was it something in the suitcase like a note or was it a tip?  Something definite had to send them in his direction.

TY

Hey Gypsy!
Shenemen says no to on or in the suitcase, but when asked if the suitcase was linked to a particular person he would not answer.
The Mobile home was searched first last night, and then the church, but He also stated they had spoken to Lawless previously. Maybe he told them someone stole luggage from somewhere or that he threw it out?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 07, 2009, 03:25:51 PM
.
Good Afternoon Monkeys,

What sad news ..another child murdered and thrown away.  There is just too much of this type of senseless crime going on today with children as victims.

I have a question.  Since the pastor was not, as far as we know, a POI prior to yesterday..do we know for certain what lead the LE to his home and church?  Was it something in the suitcase like a note or was it a tip?  Something definite had to send them in his direction.

TY

Seeing how the new search warrants were issued and served hours after Sandra was found yesterday...I would guess that something in that suitcase led them to the church/pastor. Or they had him/it in their radar before and finding the body gave them what was needed to get a warrant.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Lovinlife on April 07, 2009, 03:27:59 PM
I have nothing to add, except that I am sickened and angry, just like the rest of you. I will do whatever I can to help stop these sick f*cks from hurting anymore babies or people in general. Just point me in the direction of what I need to do. I am angry like the rest of you & will join you in helping to protect our children from pedophiles. What can I do, right now this instant? I am so angry I wanna break everything in my apartment.

Run a sex offender check in the area of a child you love and share it with their parents. The pray and hang with us.
B
I ran one yesterday for my mom's home, and my son's fathers home.  I gave them to both my mom and my ex.  They both thought I was crazy.  I don't care.  I put them on their refrigerator's and told them to leave them there.  I have an automatic email alert for my home address.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 07, 2009, 03:28:12 PM
Don't just teach your kids/nieces and nephews about NOT talking to strangers because odds are if something happens it will be someone they know.

Let them know that Adults do not EVER need a kids help. Not to find another child, to ask for directions or to find a lost ball/puppy/kitty, etc...
That their body is their own and if anyone ever tries to touch them, to tell another adult. Never keep it a secret.
That if any adult tries to take them or pull them into a car to scream NO, fight, bite, punch, and scream bloody murder.

ITA Good points Pinky.

Nice to"see" you hon. You and the little beanz are looking more gorgeous everyday.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 07, 2009, 03:30:28 PM
Ted Bundy would put a cast on his own arm then ask grown women for assistance getting something out of his van.

Far too many fell for it and wanted to help a person in need with an injury.

And these were adults.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Heart on April 07, 2009, 03:34:11 PM
IMO an arrest will be made very soon ...

And hopefully the sick monster will be put away for life. Death is too good for him, too quick with little to no suffering. Feed him to the prison inmates.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Dolce on April 07, 2009, 03:35:56 PM
Wonderful Dolce-  (and may I say +2 are coming along nicely!!)
It's a nasty prospect, not fun to "peruse" these scumbags, but very necessary.
Thank you!

You are one investigative reporter I would not want pounding on my door if I were guilty. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Dolce on April 07, 2009, 03:38:37 PM
I have nothing to add, except that I am sickened and angry, just like the rest of you. I will do whatever I can to help stop these sick f*cks from hurting anymore babies or people in general. Just point me in the direction of what I need to do. I am angry like the rest of you & will join you in helping to protect our children from pedophiles. What can I do, right now this instant? I am so angry I wanna break everything in my apartment.

Run a sex offender check in the area of a child you love and share it with their parents. The pray and hang with us.
B
I ran one yesterday for my mom's home, and my son's fathers home.  I gave them to both my mom and my ex.  They both thought I was crazy.  I don't care.  I put them on their refrigerator's and told them to leave them there.  I have an automatic email alert for my home address.
I have that allert as well.  It is very good, even if you do not have children, your neighbors might not be as saavy as you are.  You can also join through Facebook for updates, which I have found a lot of information from as well.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Dolce on April 07, 2009, 03:39:46 PM

Nice to"see" you hon. You and the little beanz are looking more gorgeous everyday.
Good to "see" you too Pinky, however I wish it was better news that would have brought us together here.  I can not imagine the pain her family must be going through right now.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Gypsy DD on April 07, 2009, 03:47:30 PM
Blink and Pink Angel...TY for the reply.

I was thinking that whomever did place her body there had to know that it would be found.  If the irragation pond was just drained and refilled 2 weeks ago, and then is now being drained again..it would seem it is frequently used in that way by the diary farm owner.  Once again shoddy planning?  Was this a crime that was not thought out..he just saw her and took her?  As always so many questions only the perp, and the people around him can answer.  I pray that whatever questions Sandra's family have the perp answers for them. 

I think the laws have to change inorder to change our society.  Pedophile's do not think of their targets as vics.  They believe what they are doing is okay.  So how do we inact tougher laws and educate communities and families and children so this crime is not comitted over and over again.  Why do we let sex offenders out in the first place...isn't it more humane to our society as a whole to keep them locked up and away from harming others.  It has been found over and over agaain that sex offenders re-offend.  There is no cure for this mental perversion..there is no tried and true therapy..so why keep kidding ourselves that because they did this once they won't do it again?
 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: BluesyGram on April 07, 2009, 03:59:02 PM
Blink and Pink Angel...TY for the reply.

I was thinking that whomever did place her body there had to know that it would be found.  If the irragation pond was just drained and refilled 2 weeks ago, and then is now being drained again..it would seem it is frequently used in that way by the diary farm owner.  Once again shoddy planning?  Was this a crime that was not thought out..he just saw her and took her?  As always so many questions only the perp, and the people around him can answer.  I pray that whatever questions Sandra's family have the perp answers for them. 

I think the laws have to change inorder to change our society.  Pedophile's do not think of their targets as vics.  They believe what they are doing is okay.  So how do we inact tougher laws and educate communities and families and children so this crime is not committed over and over again.  Why do we let sex offenders out in the first place...isn't it more humane to our society as a whole to keep them locked up and away from harming others.  It has been found over and over again that sex offenders re-offend.  There is no cure for this mental perversion..there is no tried and true therapy..so why keep kidding ourselves that because they did this once they won't do it again?
 


You are so right...another prime example of the perp's rights are more important than the victims.  We need tougher laws to protect our children.  Maybe a law that says one strike on a child under 16 and you are gone for life.

All of the forensic psych's say that they are INCURABLE.  If they had a communicable disease...wouldn't they be committed to a hospital?



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: theboyzmom on April 07, 2009, 04:03:26 PM
Blink and Pink Angel...TY for the reply.

I was thinking that whomever did place her body there had to know that it would be found.  If the irragation pond was just drained and refilled 2 weeks ago, and then is now being drained again..it would seem it is frequently used in that way by the diary farm owner.  Once again shoddy planning?  Was this a crime that was not thought out..he just saw her and took her?  As always so many questions only the perp, and the people around him can answer.  I pray that whatever questions Sandra's family have the perp answers for them. 

I think the laws have to change inorder to change our society.  Pedophile's do not think of their targets as vics.  They believe what they are doing is okay.  So how do we inact tougher laws and educate communities and families and children so this crime is not comitted over and over again.  Why do we let sex offenders out in the first place...isn't it more humane to our society as a whole to keep them locked up and away from harming others.  It has been found over and over agaain that sex offenders re-offend.  There is no cure for this mental perversion..there is no tried and true therapy..so why keep kidding ourselves that because they did this once they won't do it again?
 
Unfortunately today's world is more about not "hurting people" and "stigmatizing" people than to protect the innocent. We have made many crimes and amoral behavior acceptable by not making people feel bad for doing bad things. This is the way that society has kept people in check for many years. Now we do not do that so people feel the freedom to run a muck. Remember hearing that when you would steal a horse they would chase you down and shoot you - now we make the thief feel good and tell them that it is ok and you can do better next time.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 07, 2009, 04:14:18 PM
Hey ya everyone,

I'm getting a very late start today.   I read back a bit to catch up, sounds like they have strong leads & an arrest seems imminent. I hope so, if I had a preference it would sound very crude with what I'd like to see happen to this monster.   Did I read correctly that Sandra's mom was in the hospital?    Is the next presser still scheduled for 3:30 Pacific time?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 07, 2009, 04:25:17 PM
I do think LE has "direction" as stated in the morning presser.  Whoever did this is going to be punished and they are being VERY careful not to do anything that could be used to lessen how much they are punished.

Also they don't even have to bargain to find remains.  No deals for the perp in this and I do think they will be found and quickly.

Not quickly enough to suit us but quickly via the correct channels.  There may be surveillance to gather more evidence or for him to further incriminate himself.

Yes, I said HIM so shoot me.

JMO but LE is looking good to me.  So far. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2009, 04:28:16 PM
Hey ya everyone,

I'm getting a very late start today.   I read back a bit to catch up, sounds like they have strong leads & an arrest seems imminent. I hope so, if I had a preference it would sound very crude with what I'd like to see happen to this monster.   Did I read correctly that Sandra's mom was in the hospital?    Is the next presser still scheduled for 3:30 Pacific time?

I believe Sandra's mom fainted and was taken to the hospital last night.  Not sure if she is still there.  Yes, PC at 3:30pm.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: GramaMonkey on April 07, 2009, 04:31:26 PM
Has this been posted....or n the news...

There are 2 POIs being interviewed right now. There is also a church that has been taped off with crime scene tape that the police feel is part of the crime scene. Hopefully justice will be swift for Sandra, may she RIP. Her poor, poor family


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 07, 2009, 04:33:03 PM
Doubtful that a farm worker would have had a nice piece of luggage like that.  Someone at that motel would have luggage though.




Very good point!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 07, 2009, 04:37:48 PM
Search Warrants Target Church Near Mobile Home Park Where Sandra Cantu Lived
Created by Brian Shields on 4/7/2009 3:26:04 PM


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TRACY (KRON) -- Tracy police say the search for Sandra Cantu's killer is moving forward on several fronts.

An autopsy on the eight-year old girl's remains was underway late Tuesday morning.  Detectives are awaiting the results to find out exactly how the child died.  Her remains were found inside a suitcase in an irrigation pond about two miles from the mobile home park where she lived.

Authorities say they are following several leads.  Investigators served a search warrant Monday night on a home in the park.   By Tuesday morning authorities had cordoned off the nearby Clover Road Baptist Church.  Investigators confirm they have talked with the church's pastor as well as everyone else who lives at the mobile home park.  Police won't say whose home was searched but witnesses have told reporters they only saw investigators at the pastor's home.  Officials insist no suspects have been ruled in or out and no one is in custody in connection with the child's murder.

"We've been receiving a lot of calls and messages from the public wanting to send cash donations as well as cards of condolence and flowers," Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman said during a Tuesday morning news conference. We're asking that all mail be sent to the Tracy Police department.  We have a liason working with the family.  As far as cash donations, if anyone is still interested in doing that, if they would please contact the Sund-Carrington Foundation in MOdesto.  They will be coordinating that portion of the outpouring of support for the family."

KRON 4 will broadcast a planned 3:30 p.m. Tuesday news conference updating the case.  We will also have a one-hour special celebrating the life of Sandra Cantu and focused on the investigation into her killing tonight at 9:00 p.m.
(Copyright 2009, KRON 4, All rights reserved.)

http://www.kron.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/961/reftab/36/t/Search-Warrants-Target-Church-Near-Mobile-Home-Park-Where-Sandra-Cantu-Lived/Default.aspx




Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 04:38:23 PM
Has this been posted....or n the news...

There are 2 POIs being interviewed right now. There is also a church that has been taped off with crime scene tape that the police feel is part of the crime scene. Hopefully justice will be swift for Sandra, may she RIP. Her poor, poor family
thank-you  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A's Fever on April 07, 2009, 04:40:44 PM
According to this article, this POI has no criminal background.


Church pastor lives in mobile home park

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Image 2 of 2Clifford Lane Lawless

The pastor of a church police cordoned off as a crime scene lives in the mobile home park where a Tracy girl lived before she was found dead in a suitcase north of town.

Clifford Lane Lawless of the Clover Road Baptist Church lives in Space 57 at Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, property records show, where 8-year-old Sandra Cantu lived with her mom, grandparents and siblings before her March 27 disappearance.

Police and FBI searched his church — which sits about 100 yards away from the mobile home park — and an Orchard Estates home soon after they announced they had found the missing girl’s body Monday night. Cops refused to say whether the mobile home they searched belongs to Lawless.

As of this afternoon, no arrests have been made and no suspects named. An autopsy is underway to determine how Sandra died.

Lawless lives in the mobile home park with his wife, Connie Lawless, according to city property records. He has owned the home since the mid-1990s.

Investigators put up crime scene tape around Clover Road Baptist last night and plan to search the place again sometime this afternoon, said Tracy police spokesman Sgt. Tony Sheneman.

No one in the neighborhood surrounding Orchard Estates said they attend the Baptist church. About a dozen neighbors said they don’t know anyone who does, and that it has a tiny congregation.

Folks from a Jehovah’s Witness church across the street from Lawless’ church said they've never talked to anyone from the congregation. Pastors, members and elders of a handful of other churches in northern Tracy said the same thing.

Lawless has no criminal history and no civil lawsuits against him in San Joaquin County, court records show. The only property he owns in San Joaquin County is his mobile home.

A bio on his church’s Web site says Lawless converted to Christianity 49 years ago in Washington state and was ordained as a pastor 11 years later.

He received a degree in theology from the Baptist Theological Seminary of Hayward and the Alisal Baptist Institute of Salinas, according to the Web site. He has led churches in Southern California and in Mountain View and Eureka.

He was appointed pastor of the Baptist church in Tracy in 1981. He married his wife in 1960 in Modesto, the Web site continues. They have three grown children together — Brian, Brett and Joni, “who are all involved in God’s work” — and nine grandchildren.

Lawless’ name is the fourth to have come up in the missing person-turned murder investigation. Police served search warrants on 60-year old martial arts teacher Frank Wohler, who lived behind Sandra’s home and said he kissed her on the lips two years ago just to be nice.

Christian Sinclair, 49 — who’s depicted in court records as abusive and alcoholic — was arrested last week for obstructing the investigation. Police searched his home, too.

Sinclair’s friend, David Slayter, 44, was then taken to the police station for questioning last week as the FBI and Stockton and Tracy police searched his home and took out several items.

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&article-Church%20pastor%20lives%20in%20mobile%20home%20park%20=&id=2260319-Church+pastor+lives+in+mobile+home+park&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 04:40:44 PM
Thanks Leroy.  Also here is a link to the guest book of the church, further down in the guest book, are comments that pertain to this situation   ::MonkeyEek::   http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/guest_book.htm


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 07, 2009, 04:51:37 PM
SO's use positions of trust - ie: clergy, coaches, teachers etc. and just because they may have no criminal record doesn't mean they haven't been abusing all along.

It is scary knowing the registered SO's that are out there.  What is even more scary are the ones who have not been caught.  ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 07, 2009, 05:23:06 PM
Hey ya everyone,

I'm getting a very late start today.   I read back a bit to catch up, sounds like they have strong leads & an arrest seems imminent. I hope so, if I had a preference it would sound very crude with what I'd like to see happen to this monster.   Did I read correctly that Sandra's mom was in the hospital?    Is the next presser still scheduled for 3:30 Pacific time?

I believe Sandra's mom fainted and was taken to the hospital last night.  Not sure if she is still there.  Yes, PC at 3:30pm.

Tks Klaas.   O goodness I prayed for Sandra's family all night into today.  I can't imagine...but how many times have we all said this regarding cases like this.   Her family is going to need enormous support & extensive counseling, no words can help at the moment.   I'll check back in a bit for the presser I'm a bit under the weather the past few days.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 07, 2009, 05:43:20 PM
Thanks Leroy.  Also here is a link to the guest book of the church, further down in the guest book, are comments that pertain to this situation   ::MonkeyEek::   http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/guest_book.htm

NoRose -that is interesting.  thanks for the link.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 07, 2009, 05:46:49 PM
Pastor Confirms Police Questioned Him, Searched Home in Sandra Cantu Investigation
Created by Brian Shields on 4/7/2009 4:27:24 PM
 TRACY (KRON) --

The pastor of a Tracy church confirms police have questioned him about the murder of eight-year old Sandra Cantu.

KRON 4's Kate Thompson spoke with Pastor Lane Lawless and his wife as they drove by the Clover Road Baptist Church Tuesday afternoon.  Pastor Lawless says he's cooperating with the investigation.  He told Kate police seized computers, phones, and other items from the family's trailer located in the same mobile home park where the Cantu family lives.  The pastor says his granddaughter played with Sandra on a regular basis. Police cordoned off the church for a more thorough search of the premises Tuesday morning. 

An autopsy on the eight-year old girl's remains was underway late Tuesday morning.  Detectives are awaiting the results to find out exactly how the child died.  Her remains were found inside a suitcase in an irrigation pond about two miles from the mobile home park where she lived. Officials insist no suspects have been ruled in or out and no one is in custody in connection with the child's murder.

"We've been receiving a lot of calls and messages from the public wanting to send cash donations as well as cards of condolence and flowers," Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman said during a Tuesday morning news conference. We're asking that all mail be sent to the Tracy Police department.  We have a liason working with the family.  As far as cash donations, if anyone is still interested in doing that, if they would please contact the Sund-Carrington Foundation in MOdesto.  They will be coordinating that portion of the outpouring of support for the family."

KRON 4 will broadcast a planned 3:30 p.m. Tuesday news conference updating the case.  We will also have a one-hour special celebrating the life of Sandra Cantu and focused on the investigation into her killing tonight at 9:00 p.m.

(Copyright 2009, KRON 4, All rights reserved.)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: theboyzmom on April 07, 2009, 05:47:51 PM
Hey ya everyone,

I'm getting a very late start today.   I read back a bit to catch up, sounds like they have strong leads & an arrest seems imminent. I hope so, if I had a preference it would sound very crude with what I'd like to see happen to this monster.   Did I read correctly that Sandra's mom was in the hospital?    Is the next presser still scheduled for 3:30 Pacific time?

I believe Sandra's mom fainted and was taken to the hospital last night.  Not sure if she is still there.  Yes, PC at 3:30pm.

Tks Klaas.   O goodness I prayed for Sandra's family all night into today.  I can't imagine...but how many times have we all said this regarding cases like this.   Her family is going to need enormous support & extensive counseling, no words can help at the moment.   I'll check back in a bit for the presser I'm a bit under the weather the past few days.

I have to be gone in a few - when we get a link to the presser could some one post it or a summary of what they have to say? TIA


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pinkbanana on April 07, 2009, 06:10:14 PM
Hi, Monkeys

I just wanted to say, "THANK YOU!!"

I could not sleep last night...my stomach still hurts and my heart is still broken.  ::MonkeyWaa::

God Bless Sandra and her family!

pb


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 06:11:00 PM
Thanks Leroy, so the pastor's grandchild played with Sandra on a regular basis....


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 06:12:29 PM
Hi, Monkeys

I just wanted to say, "THANK YOU!!"

I could not sleep last night...my stomach still hurts and my heart is still broken.  ::MonkeyWaa::

God Bless Sandra and her family!

pb
I'm sorry, maybe today or tomorrow the police will arrest the person or people involved with this horrible tragedy.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2009, 06:19:58 PM
PRESS CONFERENCE should be at 3:30pm on this site:

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: 515angel on April 07, 2009, 06:26:47 PM
PRESS CONFERENCE should be at 3:30pm on this site:

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/

Thank-You Klaas


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 07, 2009, 06:27:41 PM
Isn't the presser in about three minutes?  Or do I have my time zones all wrong?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pinkbanana on April 07, 2009, 06:29:52 PM
Hi, Monkeys

I just wanted to say, "THANK YOU!!"

I could not sleep last night...my stomach still hurts and my heart is still broken.  ::MonkeyWaa::

God Bless Sandra and her family!

pb
I'm sorry, maybe today or tomorrow the police will arrest the person or people involved with this horrible tragedy.


I hope No Rose...too many of OUR children ( babies, toddlers, kids, young adults and adults) are being murdered....still children because they are someones child.

Thanks

pb


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 06:30:08 PM
Isn't the presser in about three minutes?  Or do I have my time zones all wrong?
Yes, and on the link there is traffic, maybe the presser has been delayed.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 06:31:39 PM
It switched now, it is raining out.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2009, 06:33:00 PM
Hasn't started YET but will be at this link.  Should start at any time.

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 07, 2009, 06:37:26 PM
On now, ME is not done with autopsy.   They will announce when they will be discussing the autopsy results.   Search warrants have been sealed by the court, cannot discuss so it doesnt compromise the investigation.   LE not aware that pastor has a son.  "Everyone we speak to is a person of interest, we're not eliminating anyone."


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2009, 06:38:19 PM
Hasn't started YET but will be at this link.  Should start at any time.

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/

1.  Not arresting Lawless, at least not now
2.  They have not heard from the coroner on the autopsy yet
3.  All warrents being sealed by the courts
4.  Nothing else at this time to say
5.  They are heading in a particular direction in the investigation but cannot elaborate
6.  Nobody has reported at piece of luggage missing that he is aware of
7.  Everyone they speak to is a person of interest - nobody has been eliminated
 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 07, 2009, 06:39:49 PM
No link to the missing luggage to the pastor.   Incorrect reporting that the pastor was listed as a prime suspect, no specific suspects right now (he was questions if there were multiple killers)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 07, 2009, 06:40:04 PM
He kept saying, "Sandra's Killers"


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 07, 2009, 06:40:58 PM
Klaas as usual you had it point on  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 06:41:05 PM
He kept saying, "Sandra's Killers"
Interesting


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: alagary on April 07, 2009, 06:42:05 PM
Thanks Leroy.  Also here is a link to the guest book of the church, further down in the guest book, are comments that pertain to this situation   ::MonkeyEek::   http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/guest_book.htm
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Please remember to blame the pastor and not the whole church .


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Heart on April 07, 2009, 06:54:25 PM
PRESS CONFERENCE should be at 3:30pm on this site:

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/

Thank you klassend for providing the liveonline link to the news conference.

This is a very sad day.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 07, 2009, 06:55:44 PM
So now we must wait and pray while the ME does his work and the crime experts go over the trace evidence.

I do believe there is plenty in that suitcase.  Just a matter of time until LE knows who did this.

Sometimes the waiting is the hardest part but the shock to this family and the community and what they are feeling makes our impatience seem like very little to endure.

The perp must be feeling the heat tremendously right now.  The net is tightening closer and closer around him.  I do feel it's just a matter of time until and arrest is made.

Just my feeling based on not much but hope.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Heart on April 07, 2009, 06:56:52 PM
He kept saying, "Sandra's Killers"
Interesting

And cut the reporter short when she asked him if there was more than one person of interest.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 06:58:46 PM
Autopsy results could take 4-8 weeks.  http://www.sacbee.com/latest/story/1762926.html


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 07, 2009, 07:04:15 PM
He kept saying, "Sandra's Killers"

Yes, which is different than what he had been saying .

Guess what, you have sealed warrants when they all yielded something or one is related to the others. Why do I have this sick, sick feeling this is going to be one of the sickest cases we have seen in a very long time.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Heart on April 07, 2009, 07:05:54 PM
Autopsy results could take 4-8 weeks.  http://www.sacbee.com/latest/story/1762926.html

The sergeant is on JVM at the present


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: BluesyGram on April 07, 2009, 07:07:24 PM
Autopsy results could take 4-8 weeks.  http://www.sacbee.com/latest/story/1762926.html

The sergeant is on JVM at the present


Thanks, Heart.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Heart on April 07, 2009, 07:07:45 PM
Autopsy results could take 4-8 weeks.  http://www.sacbee.com/latest/story/1762926.html

The sergeant is on JVM at the present

The church will be search some time today


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 07, 2009, 07:08:55 PM
Autopsy results could take 4-8 weeks.  http://www.sacbee.com/latest/story/1762926.html

She was drugged, has to be, not even issuing a prelim-


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 07, 2009, 07:12:31 PM
I swear I want to scream.

On JVM- "maybe just focus on the church as a crime scene" not the pastor.

These people are idiots. THE DUDES HOUSE WAS SEARCHED FIRST!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: BluesyGram on April 07, 2009, 07:14:52 PM
If we compare what LE did after they found Caylee....obtaining a search warrant to go immediately to the A's.....then we have to put weight on where this LE went immediately after confirming it was Sandra.

Now....does his GD live w/him?  Must, since he said Sandra played w/gd a lot.  Do the parents of the gd live w/him?  If gd is his daughter's child...we don't know what her father's last name would be or her mother's bf.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Heart on April 07, 2009, 07:17:17 PM
Pastor Questioned in Sandra Cantu Slaying

KTLA News

April 7, 2009

TRACY -- A search warrant has been issued for a neighborhood church that police say may hold clues in the disappearance and death of Sandra Cantu whose body was found stuffed in a suitcase.

Clover Road Baptist Church was cordoned off just hours after the 8-year old's body was discovered yesterday by farm workers draining an irrigation ditch.

Police say the church's pastor, Lane Lawless, lives in the same mobile home park as the Cantu family and has already been interviewed twice by investigators.

Lawless told a local TV station that he and his wife spent last night talking to police and said they were questioned because they know Sandra and her family and were "close friends with her."

His wife, Connie, said their great granddaughter often played with Sandra.

Connie Lawless said the couple was fully cooperating with police. She said investigators took phones and a computer, among other items, from their home.

"We're very open to them taking whatever they want," she said.

"We feel the more people they can eliminate, the quicker they will be able to get to the truth."

Connie Lawless said they had nothing to do with the girl's abduction.

"She was the sweetest little thing. It breaks it our hearts to think that anyone would take such a tiny little thing and abuse her and murder her," she said.

The second-grader disappeared on March 27 from the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Community.

According to family members, the 8-year came home from school, kissed her mother, and left to play with a friend who lived a couple of houses down.

Surveillance camera footage released this weekend shows the girl skipping down the street.

"We just know that she had gone to the first house, and played for just a very short time.

And then she was on her way to another friend's house," said Lisa Encarnacion, the spokeswoman for Sandra's family.

"And we don't know, we can't confirm that she was there or she was not."
Her mother reported her missing about 8:00 that night.

Police have not identified any suspects in the girl's disappearance, but they have searched several homes.

All the locations were connected to two men who live in the mobile home park, officials said.

Authorities have also towed four cars from the mobile home park.

The cars were being examined by a team of investigators from the Tracy Police Department and the FBI.

More than 100 mourners - some holding candles, others wiping away tears - gathered outside the mobile home park Monday night while police blocked the entrance.

Several also passed by dropping off gifts Tuesday.

http://www.ktla.com/landing_topstories/?Pastor-Questioned-in-Sandra-Cantu-Slayin=1&blockID=252627&feedID=1198


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 07, 2009, 07:28:58 PM
Pastor Questioned in Sandra Cantu Slaying

KTLA News

April 7, 2009

TRACY -- A search warrant has been issued for a neighborhood church that police say may hold clues in the disappearance and death of Sandra Cantu whose body was found stuffed in a suitcase.

Clover Road Baptist Church was cordoned off just hours after the 8-year old's body was discovered yesterday by farm workers draining an irrigation ditch.

Police say the church's pastor, Lane Lawless, lives in the same mobile home park as the Cantu family and has already been interviewed twice by investigators.

Lawless told a local TV station that he and his wife spent last night talking to police and said they were questioned because they know Sandra and her family and were "close friends with her."

His wife, Connie, said their great granddaughter often played with Sandra.

Connie Lawless said the couple was fully cooperating with police. She said investigators took phones and a computer, among other items, from their home.

"We're very open to them taking whatever they want," she said.

"We feel the more people they can eliminate, the quicker they will be able to get to the truth."

Connie Lawless said they had nothing to do with the girl's abduction.

"She was the sweetest little thing. It breaks it our hearts to think that anyone would take such a tiny little thing and abuse her and murder her," she said.
The second-grader disappeared on March 27 from the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Community.

According to family members, the 8-year came home from school, kissed her mother, and left to play with a friend who lived a couple of houses down.

Surveillance camera footage released this weekend shows the girl skipping down the street.

"We just know that she had gone to the first house, and played for just a very short time.

And then she was on her way to another friend's house," said Lisa Encarnacion, the spokeswoman for Sandra's family.

"And we don't know, we can't confirm that she was there or she was not."
Her mother reported her missing about 8:00 that night.

Police have not identified any suspects in the girl's disappearance, but they have searched several homes.

All the locations were connected to two men who live in the mobile home park, officials said.

Authorities have also towed four cars from the mobile home park.

The cars were being examined by a team of investigators from the Tracy Police Department and the FBI.

More than 100 mourners - some holding candles, others wiping away tears - gathered outside the mobile home park Monday night while police blocked the entrance.

Several also passed by dropping off gifts Tuesday.

http://www.ktla.com/landing_topstories/?Pastor-Questioned-in-Sandra-Cantu-Slayin=1&blockID=252627&feedID=1198

above bolded by me.. If this is a direct quote, I wanna know why she thinks Sandra was abused and THEN murdered. How could she know that?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Heart on April 07, 2009, 07:29:42 PM
If we compare what LE did after they found Caylee....obtaining a search warrant to go immediately to the A's.....then we have to put weight on where this LE went immediately after confirming it was Sandra.

Now....does his GD live w/him?  Must, since he said Sandra played w/gd a lot.  Do the parents of the gd live w/him?  If gd is his daughter's child...we don't know what her father's last name would be or her mother's bf.



On JVM they are reporting that the piece of luggage was taken from the pond directly to the morgue.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 07:34:02 PM
He kept saying, "Sandra's Killers"

Yes, which is different than what he had been saying .

Guess what, you have sealed warrants when they all yielded something or one is related to the others. Why do I have this sick, sick feeling this is going to be one of the sickest cases we have seen in a very long time.
I agree, this is going to be very ugly.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Heart on April 07, 2009, 07:35:35 PM
Jean (did not catch her last name) on JVM reporting that Sandra's Hannah Montana flip flops were still on Sandra's feet.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 07, 2009, 07:37:24 PM


above bolded by me.. If this is a direct quote, I wanna know why she thinks Sandra was abused and THEN murdered. How could she know that?


Not good!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 07:37:37 PM
Thanks Heart for the JVM updates. And yes, how would Connie know she was abused and then murdered  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: BluesyGram on April 07, 2009, 07:40:39 PM
Blink...I wondered the exact same thing.

Nobody said that she was abused yet, and being that she was fully clothed...that isn't something you could conclude yet.  If she had been found without clothes...you could assume that probably.  Sounds fishy.




Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 07, 2009, 07:46:44 PM
They need to look at cat owners and there teens..
They need to see if anyone has been associating around the family that Sandra may not have been alarmed by.

The drop off of a suitcase so close means one of 2 things..
1. Intentional find .. maybe ... Dad=drugs=Mexico
2. Immature thought process.= kill my cat=kill you child.

We are dealing with things today like never before in history, just read all the news everyday to prove it to yourself.. Average People are losing it.. mo.

How about the gun range in Florida today ?  Strange thought process like never before, what is in the food ?

I keep thinking a pet owner.. I may be wrong.. But think simple, because what ever it was it happened quickly, she was in her same clothes..

If somebody outside of but associated to the family got her.. How did he get her outside the park ?

Whoever it was simply got her... How simple was it and from what direction did it come from ?




Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Heart on April 07, 2009, 07:48:25 PM
Police: Pastor ''Won't Be Arrested Today'' In Connection With Sandra Cantu's Murder


FOX40 News

April 7, 2009

TRACY - Authorities affirm that a pastor who operates a Baptist church near where 8-year-old Sandra Cantu once lived has been questioned in the murder investigation.

While Pastor Lane Lawless of the Clover Road Baptist Church hasn't been ruled out as a suspect, Sgt. Tony Sheneman with the Tracy police department say the pastor won't be arrested today, contrary to early media reports.

"To say that he is being arrested is irresponsible," Sheneman commented.

Additionally, Sheneman corrected an earlier report that authorities would release a coroner's report from Sandra Cantu's autopsy soon.  Now, authorities report it could be days before investigators have the report themselves.

"The coroner works at his own pace," said Sheneman, adding that rushing the coroner could jeopardize their investigation instead of help.

Sandra Cantu's body was recovered by authorities from a floating suitcase Monday afternoon.  Sandra had been missing from her Tracy home since March 27th.

http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_sandra_cantu/?Police-Pastor-Wont-Be-Arrested-Today-In-=1&blockID=260818&feedID=2674



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 07, 2009, 07:49:55 PM
On the abused thing.. My guess.. Possible signs of a beating ?
That may be an obvious to the Doctors in the lab..



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on April 07, 2009, 07:50:11 PM


above bolded by me.. If this is a direct quote, I wanna know why she thinks Sandra was abused and THEN murdered. How could she know that?


Not good!

Blink - I was just about to bold the same quote.  Abused - jumped off the page at me.  Interesting to, is that she was found dressed.  If she was sexually abused, redressing after is a sign of affection for their victim.  This could be sick!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 07, 2009, 07:58:25 PM
I do not want to jump to any conclusions about the Pastor for the moment.
He has no record for this type of thing.
I have no idea why they zero'd in on his house or the church.
There usually are other persons who
a.) are the caretakers
b.) cleaners
c.) youth group leaders.. what was going on at the church that evening ?
d. ) plus, where are the Pastor's children and who are they ?
Some of these persons might have had keys to the church / shed.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 07, 2009, 08:01:29 PM
On the abused thing.. My guess.. Possible signs of a beating ?
That may be an obvious to the Doctors in the lab..


That is possible Edward, but since none of us know that, what could she have been talking about?

I suspect during his questioning, LE did their job well and he passed that onto the Mrs. Just a thought, this guy was not a pastor, not even baptized until he married his wife while studying under her father. What did he do before then?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 07, 2009, 08:02:46 PM
I do not want to jump to any conclusions about the Pastor for the moment.
He has no record for this type of thing.
I have no idea why they zero'd in on his house or the church.
There usually are other persons who
a.) are the caretakers
b.) cleaners
c.) youth group leaders.. what was going on at the church that evening ?
d. ) plus, where are the Pastor's children and who are they ?
Some of these persons might have had keys to the church / shed.


regarding the church, the obvious person to suspect would be the pastor, however it sounds like this was not a very *busy* church so anyone from the neighborhood could have known this....so I agree with ya.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 07, 2009, 08:08:28 PM
We have one aggresive act that required the grandfather to spend money on cameras.. Tire slashing/ Revenge ... Just One step further for violence.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Heart on April 07, 2009, 08:08:29 PM
Ms Nasty Grace is covering the case now


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 07, 2009, 08:14:29 PM
Ms Nasty Grace is covering the case now



 ::MonkeyEek::  But the other 99 percent of the show is Casey, right?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: alagary on April 07, 2009, 08:17:49 PM
Ms Nasty Grace is covering the case now

[/quote
One word against the family and NG will never be on my TV again


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: BluesyGram on April 07, 2009, 08:22:24 PM
Ms Nasty Grace is covering the case now



At least her voice doesn't make my head ache worse like JVM's screechy loud voice.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 07, 2009, 08:24:20 PM
Just something to think about. A red ribbon has a certain significance in the asian culter, especially japanese.

Maybe but it just so happens I have a red yarn ribbon on one of my pieces of luggage.  Very common to try and mark your luggage that way so it's easier to see.

I also have ribbon on mine....think it is pink now...I change it from time to time...gets frayed...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 07, 2009, 08:26:04 PM
ABOUT PASTOR LANE LAWLESS

http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/Pastor1.html


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Leroy on April 07, 2009, 08:27:12 PM
Ms Nasty Grace is covering the case now

::MonkeyHaHa:: 



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 07, 2009, 08:30:45 PM
The church thing... didn't I read somewhere that Sandra's family said something about going to the church ? That's why there could have been some event there with people other than the pastor. The small church I went to in the 'hood always had some thing going on for the kids in the hood. There were also meetings that the lay people had. A hub of activity. Also the manse where the Minister lived was always busy.
I am not eliminating him, but I would hate to be Pastor Lawless or anybody else around there until the LE finished their work.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 07, 2009, 08:33:28 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys,

What sad news ..another child murdered and thrown away.  There is just too much of this type of senseless crime going on today with children as victims.

I have a question.  Since the pastor was not, as far as we know, a POI prior to yesterday..do we know for certain what lead the LE to his home and church?  Was it something in the suitcase like a note or was it a tip?  Something definite had to send them in his direction.

TY

Hey Gypsy!
Shenemen says no to on or in the suitcase, but when asked if the suitcase was linked to a particular person he would not answer.
The Mobile home was searched first last night, and then the church, but He also stated they had spoken to Lawless previously. Maybe he told them someone stole luggage from somewhere or that he threw it out?

Maybe the pastor kept the luggage in the shed in back of the church? there is not a whole bunch of large storage area in some mobile homes...compact areas for clothes and coats etc...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 08:39:24 PM
ABOUT PASTOR LANE LAWLESS

http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/Pastor1.html
Thanks


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: AZSunny on April 07, 2009, 08:49:16 PM
ABOUT PASTOR LANE LAWLESS

http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/Pastor1.html
Thanks

It doesn't look like the sunday school lesson has been updates since 2002.  If the church across the street doesn't know of any members at the Baptist church, and no one in the trailer park attends that church, it makes one wonder how large the congregation is, or even if the church is still active??


I am wondering if that is the church that Sandra wanted to go to before going to the movies that night.  If so, why, and did she decide to go by herself? 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 07, 2009, 08:55:39 PM
Brian, Brett, and Joni are his kids.
There is no membership list. Or schedule of events.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Gypsy DD on April 07, 2009, 09:05:32 PM
Pastor Questioned in Sandra Cantu Slaying

KTLA News

April 7, 2009

TRACY -- A search warrant has been issued for a neighborhood church that police say may hold clues in the disappearance and death of Sandra Cantu whose body was found stuffed in a suitcase.

Clover Road Baptist Church was cordoned off just hours after the 8-year old's body was discovered yesterday by farm workers draining an irrigation ditch.

Police say the church's pastor, Lane Lawless, lives in the same mobile home park as the Cantu family and has already been interviewed twice by investigators.

Lawless told a local TV station that he and his wife spent last night talking to police and said they were questioned because they know Sandra and her family and were "close friends with her."

His wife, Connie, said their great granddaughter often played with Sandra.

Connie Lawless said the couple was fully cooperating with police. She said investigators took phones and a computer, among other items, from their home.

"We're very open to them taking whatever they want," she said.

"We feel the more people they can eliminate, the quicker they will be able to get to the truth."

Connie Lawless said they had nothing to do with the girl's abduction.

"She was the sweetest little thing. It breaks it our hearts to think that anyone would take such a tiny little thing and abuse her and murder her," she said.
The second-grader disappeared on March 27 from the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Community.

According to family members, the 8-year came home from school, kissed her mother, and left to play with a friend who lived a couple of houses down.

Surveillance camera footage released this weekend shows the girl skipping down the street.

"We just know that she had gone to the first house, and played for just a very short time.

And then she was on her way to another friend's house," said Lisa Encarnacion, the spokeswoman for Sandra's family.

"And we don't know, we can't confirm that she was there or she was not."
Her mother reported her missing about 8:00 that night.

Police have not identified any suspects in the girl's disappearance, but they have searched several homes.

All the locations were connected to two men who live in the mobile home park, officials said.

Authorities have also towed four cars from the mobile home park.

The cars were being examined by a team of investigators from the Tracy Police Department and the FBI.

More than 100 mourners - some holding candles, others wiping away tears - gathered outside the mobile home park Monday night while police blocked the entrance.

Several also passed by dropping off gifts Tuesday.

http://www.ktla.com/landing_topstories/?Pastor-Questioned-in-Sandra-Cantu-Slayin=1&blockID=252627&feedID=1198

above bolded by me.. If this is a direct quote, I wanna know why she thinks Sandra was abused and THEN murdered. How could she know that?

Blink..that was my first thought too..why didn't she just say murdered..tht is bads enough..why add the abused portion... I wonder ?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2009, 09:06:59 PM
DANA PRETZER SHOW ON NOW!

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Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: leslee on April 07, 2009, 09:13:22 PM
Pastor Questioned in Sandra Cantu Slaying

KTLA News

April 7, 2009

TRACY -- A search warrant has been issued for a neighborhood church that police say may hold clues in the disappearance and death of Sandra Cantu whose body was found stuffed in a suitcase.

Clover Road Baptist Church was cordoned off just hours after the 8-year old's body was discovered yesterday by farm workers draining an irrigation ditch.

Police say the church's pastor, Lane Lawless, lives in the same mobile home park as the Cantu family and has already been interviewed twice by investigators.

Lawless told a local TV station that he and his wife spent last night talking to police and said they were questioned because they know Sandra and her family and were "close friends with her."

His wife, Connie, said their great granddaughter often played with Sandra.

Connie Lawless said the couple was fully cooperating with police. She said investigators took phones and a computer, among other items, from their home.

"We're very open to them taking whatever they want," she said.

"We feel the more people they can eliminate, the quicker they will be able to get to the truth."

Connie Lawless said they had nothing to do with the girl's abduction.

"She was the sweetest little thing. It breaks it our hearts to think that anyone would take such a tiny little thing and abuse her and murder her," she said.
The second-grader disappeared on March 27 from the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Community.

According to family members, the 8-year came home from school, kissed her mother, and left to play with a friend who lived a couple of houses down.

Surveillance camera footage released this weekend shows the girl skipping down the street.

"We just know that she had gone to the first house, and played for just a very short time.

And then she was on her way to another friend's house," said Lisa Encarnacion, the spokeswoman for Sandra's family.

"And we don't know, we can't confirm that she was there or she was not."
Her mother reported her missing about 8:00 that night.

Police have not identified any suspects in the girl's disappearance, but they have searched several homes.

All the locations were connected to two men who live in the mobile home park, officials said.

Authorities have also towed four cars from the mobile home park.

The cars were being examined by a team of investigators from the Tracy Police Department and the FBI.

More than 100 mourners - some holding candles, others wiping away tears - gathered outside the mobile home park Monday night while police blocked the entrance.

Several also passed by dropping off gifts Tuesday.

http://www.ktla.com/landing_topstories/?Pastor-Questioned-in-Sandra-Cantu-Slayin=1&blockID=252627&feedID=1198

above bolded by me.. If this is a direct quote, I wanna know why she thinks Sandra was abused and THEN murdered. How could she know that?

Is that NOT what EVERYONE here has been saying? Is it NOT common knowledge that everyone thinks a SO got a hold of her? Or is that kind of speculation only for people who participate on crime forums? I think they are innocent.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 07, 2009, 09:19:05 PM
leslee...basically you are probably correct...
I think that the pastors wife was "assuming" that she was abused as a lot of others probably assume as well...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 09:21:58 PM
The pastor and his wife could sure be innocent, just odd that after opening the suitcase that little Sandra was found in, LE went with a search warrant to his mobile home, and odder that they went to his church, and put crime tape up, and are or about to search the church. There must be something.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 07, 2009, 09:24:27 PM
The pastor and his wife could sure be innocent, just odd that after opening the suitcase that little Sandra was found in, LE went with a search warrant to his mobile home, and odder that they went to his church, and put crime tape up, and are or about to search the church. There must be something.

very true as well...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2009, 09:26:48 PM
The pastor and his wife could sure be innocent, just odd that after opening the suitcase that little Sandra was found in, LE went with a search warrant to his mobile home, and odder that they went to his church, and put crime tape up, and are or about to search the church. There must be something.

I agree, there is something to it.  Either the pastor, someone related to the pastor, or someone they associate with likely are responsible.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 07, 2009, 09:28:22 PM
The search warrant was sealed, so we don't know what probable cause they had.
When Sandra/s Mumma was first on, they said they didn't know if she made it to the other friend's house. Why would that be hard to verify ? Either she went there and was seen or she didn't. That was odd.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Gypsy DD on April 07, 2009, 09:32:47 PM
The pastor and his wife could sure be innocent, just odd that after opening the suitcase that little Sandra was found in, LE went with a search warrant to his mobile home, and odder that they went to his church, and put crime tape up, and are or about to search the church. There must be something.

I agree, there is something to it.  Either the pastor, someone related to the pastor, or someone they associate with likely are responsible.

Exactly..some how they and the church figure into this.  If not them, then members or someone they know of..the pastor's wife said they took their computer, etc..which says to me they have reason to believe that something is on that computer..  maybe the church member rooster/ employee info..like who did odd jobs at the church.. ..that says they are interested in this family and who they know.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: leslee on April 07, 2009, 09:33:10 PM
The pastor and his wife could sure be innocent, just odd that after opening the suitcase that little Sandra was found in, LE went with a search warrant to his mobile home, and odder that they went to his church, and put crime tape up, and are or about to search the church. There must be something.

Yes that IS odd. I may be completely off here Lord knows I didn't do background checks on the lot of them ::MonkeyLaugh:: I am thinking a couple of things 1. Why is his church floundering( little activity)...is he truly a man of God? 2. Perhaps he was counseling someone with a penchant for children and that person became fixated on Sandra. 3. Could the crime have taken place AT the church...could there be a Satanic ritual involvement here? Could evidence found on Sandras body indicate she had been at the church? Covered in a linen maybe?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 07, 2009, 09:34:32 PM
Let's not forget that they towed away vehicles belonging to other persons. They must have had probable cause there too.
Sixty people in that small community involved with kiddy porn. When they were conducting the search for Sandra looking at where she went and whose house she went to they discover that ?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Gypsy DD on April 07, 2009, 09:36:03 PM
Where i Blink?  Didn't she say she got an email from a weekend searcher with a COMMENT about the pond..was the church also part of that comment?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Gypsy DD on April 07, 2009, 09:40:01 PM
The search warrant was sealed, so we don't know what probable cause they had.
When Sandra/s Mumma was first on, they said they didn't know if she made it to the other friend's house. Why would that be hard to verify ? Either she went there and was seen or she didn't. That was odd.

Right..if she was visiting another playmate..wouldn't someone in the neighborhood have seen her going there..someone at the playmates' house seen her there? 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 07, 2009, 09:40:38 PM
The pastor and his wife could sure be innocent, just odd that after opening the suitcase that little Sandra was found in, LE went with a search warrant to his mobile home, and odder that they went to his church, and put crime tape up, and are or about to search the church. There must be something.

I agree, there is something to it.  Either the pastor, someone related to the pastor, or someone they associate with likely are responsible.

Let's all remember, if someone is willing to agree to let you search and take potential evidence, you DONT NEED A WARRANT. They can consent. There is something applicable to the plain sight rule that necessitated this, period.

 I have been hesitant to say this, but it is next to impossible to get a search warrant for a church without a dead body laying right on the grounds or in the vestibule.
I dont mean to be glib, but seriously, it is considered sacrisant and judges are very against granting them without a proponderance of probable cause.

This smells to me like Grand jury issue


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 07, 2009, 09:42:04 PM
Where i Blink?  Didn't she say she got an email from a weekend searcher with a COMMENT about the pond..was the church also part of that comment?

No darlin Gypsy. Just the Pond in relation to the area. The church was not subject to the checkpoint as was the Mobile Home Park
B


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 09:48:37 PM
Let's not forget that they towed away vehicles belonging to other persons. They must have had probable cause there too.
Sixty people in that small community involved with kiddy porn. When they were conducting the search for Sandra looking at where she went and whose house she went to they discover that ?
Maybe all these people somehow involved with child porn. And also the home in Oakdale who is related to Sinclair, and then another home in Tracy, that no details were given about. Maybe the pastor's sons or grandsons involved, at this point who knows?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 07, 2009, 09:50:24 PM
We don't know that his church is floundering.
There could have been some junk in the suitcase that tied it to Lawless or the church.
He could have been working with a troubled soul ???
What was going on at the church that night to make an eight year old go there ?
.....
Because this man is a man of cloth and has kept his nose clean maybe it just an association. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 09:51:36 PM
The pastor and his wife could sure be innocent, just odd that after opening the suitcase that little Sandra was found in, LE went with a search warrant to his mobile home, and odder that they went to his church, and put crime tape up, and are or about to search the church. There must be something.

I agree, there is something to it.  Either the pastor, someone related to the pastor, or someone they associate with likely are responsible.

Let's all remember, if someone is willing to agree to let you search and take potential evidence, you DONT NEED A WARRANT. They can consent. There is something applicable to the plain sight rule that necessitated this, period.

 I have been hesitant to say this, but it is next to impossible to get a search warrant for a church without a dead body laying right on the grounds or in the vestibule.
I dont mean to be glib, but seriously, it is considered sacrisant and judges are very against granting them without a proponderance of probable cause.

This smells to me like Grand jury issue
I never knew that about a search warrant for a church. Could the pastor have not given his permission to search his church? If that is right, then I question why didn't he?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 09:54:12 PM
We don't know that his church is floundering.
There could have been some junk in the suitcase that tied it to Lawless or the church.
He could have been working with a troubled soul ???
What was going on at the church that night to make an eight year old go there ?
.....
Because this man is a man of cloth and has kept his nose clean maybe it just an association. 

That could be, but what I found interesting reading today is that the church hardly ever has cars in the parking lot, maybe people walk to the church, I don't know. I was shocked when I saw pictures of the church, didn't look like any church I've seen before, but again that doesn't mean anything.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2009, 09:56:19 PM


BLOCKED WEBSITE


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Gypsy DD on April 07, 2009, 09:57:45 PM
Where i Blink?  Didn't she say she got an email from a weekend searcher with a COMMENT about the pond..was the church also part of that comment?

No darlin Gypsy. Just the Pond in relation to the area. The church was not subject to the checkpoint as was the Mobile Home Park
B

So did we know if they have a warrant for the church or if the pastor just gave them the okay to search there?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 07, 2009, 10:01:14 PM
No word on another presser regarding the autopsy yet?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A's Fever on April 07, 2009, 10:01:40 PM
It seems unusual to me, though certainly not impossible, that this  man who has a clean history would start his criminal life with such a brutal, brazen crime.  Often these types of perps engage in progressively worse crimes over time.  So far, at least, there has not been anything uncovered in the pastor's past nor any whispers from the community about this guy, at least that I have seen.  One of the comments on the church website though  did cast suspicion on a grandson, I believe.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 07, 2009, 10:01:54 PM
It was LE who said the warrants were sealed. Some guy on hte 90 seconds NG allotted to this as she had to get up my nose with the same old same old Casey Tot Mom routine.
I don't know about getting search warrants for churches.
Up here, we still have some archaic laws where LE can't go in and get them.
Sometimes our churches take in refugees who are about to be deported and LE can't go in and get them. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: leslee on April 07, 2009, 10:02:01 PM
We don't know that his church is floundering.
There could have been some junk in the suitcase that tied it to Lawless or the church.
He could have been working with a troubled soul ???
What was going on at the church that night to make an eight year old go there ?
.....
Because this man is a man of cloth and has kept his nose clean maybe it just an association. 

That could be, but what I found interesting reading today is that the church hardly ever has cars in the parking lot, maybe people walk to the church, I don't know. I was shocked when I saw pictures of the church, didn't look like any church I've seen before, but again that doesn't mean anything.

Yes NRCG I saw the article about little church activity. If you check out the guest book on his site there was little there as well...until today of course. I am thinking sandra may have been approached by someone associated with the church who asked her for her help with something...someone who had a key, maybe someone she knew from the visiting the Pastors house.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Gypsy DD on April 07, 2009, 10:02:52 PM
I just read the articles again and it does say a search warrant was issued for the church and the church property.  So they have a very strong hunch or tip that ties this crime to that location..warrants are issued for evidence.  Lord I hope no one did this to this child in the church................


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2009, 10:03:36 PM
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/07/BA8016UFO2.DTL&tsp=1

(snipped)

Sandra's family does not attend Clover Road Baptist Church, neighbors said. The church's Web site said Lawless has headed the church since 1981 and has three grown children and nine grandchildren.




Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 10:05:55 PM
It seems unusual to me, though certainly not impossible, that this  man who has a clean history would start his criminal life with such a brutal, brazen crime.  Often these types of perps engage in progressively worse crimes over time.  So far, at least, there has not been anything uncovered in the pastor's past nor any whispers from the community about this guy, at least that I have seen.  One of the comments on the church website though  did cast suspicion on a grandson, I believe.
Yes, I did see that and I'm questioning perhaps a son or grandson of the pastor.  I suppose what I'm going to say is naive on my part, but since the pastor is up there in age 77, that in itself is troubling to think he had something to do with this, but I guess he certainly could, or maybe he has a good idea who may have.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: leslee on April 07, 2009, 10:06:57 PM
The pastor and his wife could sure be innocent, just odd that after opening the suitcase that little Sandra was found in, LE went with a search warrant to his mobile home, and odder that they went to his church, and put crime tape up, and are or about to search the church. There must be something.

I agree, there is something to it.  Either the pastor, someone related to the pastor, or someone they associate with likely are responsible.

Let's all remember, if someone is willing to agree to let you search and take potential evidence, you DONT NEED A WARRANT. They can consent. There is something applicable to the plain sight rule that necessitated this, period.

 I have been hesitant to say this, but it is next to impossible to get a search warrant for a church without a dead body laying right on the grounds or in the vestibule.
I dont mean to be glib, but seriously, it is considered sacrisant and judges are very against granting them without a proponderance of probable cause.

This smells to me like Grand jury issue
I never knew that about a search warrant for a church. Could the pastor have not given his permission to search his church? If that is right, then I question why didn't he?

Neither did I this is what CNN says:
 "We are heading in a direction," Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman told reporters. "To comment on that would compromise the investigation, and I can't do that."

A search warrant was executed at the Tracy mobile home park where the girl lived, and a related search was to be conducted Tuesday at a nearby church, he said.

He implied more than one person may have been involved in the death of Sandra, who had been missing since March 27.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/07/california.missing.girl.dead/?imw=Y&iref=mpstoryemail

I don't see search warrant at the church I am betting the Pastor granted them permission.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A's Fever on April 07, 2009, 10:08:43 PM
It seems unusual to me, though certainly not impossible, that this  man who has a clean history would start his criminal life with such a brutal, brazen crime.  Often these types of perps engage in progressively worse crimes over time.  So far, at least, there has not been anything uncovered in the pastor's past nor any whispers from the community about this guy, at least that I have seen.  One of the comments on the church website though  did cast suspicion on a grandson, I believe.
Yes, I did see that and I'm questioning perhaps a son or grandson of the pastor.  I suppose what I'm going to say is naive on my part, but since the pastor is up there in age 77, that in itself is troubling to think he had something to do with this, but I guess he certainly could, or maybe he has a good idea who may have.


Very good point about the Pastor's age.  I also think it is odd, very odd, that the body is described as fully clothed.  For if not a sex crime, what would the motive be against a child so young?  I am thinking that LE is very carefully controlling the info that is put out there and that maybe we don't have the whole story.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 10:08:48 PM
We don't know that his church is floundering.
There could have been some junk in the suitcase that tied it to Lawless or the church.
He could have been working with a troubled soul ???
What was going on at the church that night to make an eight year old go there ?
.....
Because this man is a man of cloth and has kept his nose clean maybe it just an association. 

That could be, but what I found interesting reading today is that the church hardly ever has cars in the parking lot, maybe people walk to the church, I don't know. I was shocked when I saw pictures of the church, didn't look like any church I've seen before, but again that doesn't mean anything.

Yes NRCG I saw the article about little church activity. If you check out the guest book on his site there was little there as well...until today of course. I am thinking sandra may have been approached by someone associated with the church who asked her for her help with something...someone who had a key, maybe someone she knew from the visiting the Pastors house.
Could very well be. That's why I was wondering the pastor has two sons and a daughter, and grandchildren, but don't know how many grandchildren, or their ages.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: leslee on April 07, 2009, 10:09:33 PM
I just read the articles again and it does say a search warrant was issued for the church and the church property.  So they have a very strong hunch or tip that ties this crime to that location..warrants are issued for evidence.  Lord I hope no one did this to this child in the church................

Do you have a link? I just posted a CNN article and it did not say that  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 10:10:06 PM
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/07/BA8016UFO2.DTL&tsp=1

(snipped)

Sandra's family does not attend Clover Road Baptist Church, neighbors said. The church's Web site said Lawless has headed the church since 1981 and has three grown children and nine grandchildren.



Thanks, and I just asked about how many grandchildren, and I see nine, wonder their ages?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 07, 2009, 10:15:07 PM
The pastor and his wife could sure be innocent, just odd that after opening the suitcase that little Sandra was found in, LE went with a search warrant to his mobile home, and odder that they went to his church, and put crime tape up, and are or about to search the church. There must be something.
NoRose, I cant be sure because the warrants are sealed, but we know Le went to the home first so he would have had the opportunity to consent if they offered it. Because of the timing, I am going to assume they had both warrants "in hand" when they served on his home. Mrs. Lawless's comments trouble me greatly.
I agree, there is something to it.  Either the pastor, someone related to the pastor, or someone they associate with likely are responsible.

Let's all remember, if someone is willing to agree to let you search and take potential evidence, you DONT NEED A WARRANT. They can consent. There is something applicable to the plain sight rule that necessitated this, period.

 I have been hesitant to say this, but it is next to impossible to get a search warrant for a church without a dead body laying right on the grounds or in the vestibule.
I dont mean to be glib, but seriously, it is considered sacrisant and judges are very against granting them without a proponderance of probable cause.

This smells to me like Grand jury issue
I never knew that about a search warrant for a church. Could the pastor have not given his permission to search his church? If that is right, then I question why didn't he?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 10:15:46 PM
It seems unusual to me, though certainly not impossible, that this  man who has a clean history would start his criminal life with such a brutal, brazen crime.  Often these types of perps engage in progressively worse crimes over time.  So far, at least, there has not been anything uncovered in the pastor's past nor any whispers from the community about this guy, at least that I have seen.  One of the comments on the church website though  did cast suspicion on a grandson, I believe.
Yes, I did see that and I'm questioning perhaps a son or grandson of the pastor.  I suppose what I'm going to say is naive on my part, but since the pastor is up there in age 77, that in itself is troubling to think he had something to do with this, but I guess he certainly could, or maybe he has a good idea who may have.


Very good point about the Pastor's age.  I also think it is odd, very odd, that the body is described as fully clothed.  For if not a sex crime, what would the motive be against a child so young?  I am thinking that LE is very carefully controlling the info that is put out there and that maybe we don't have the whole story.
I wondered about fully clothed also, and pages back there are posts about redressing the victim, if I recall this right that some perps who are very fond of the victim may dress the person after they die. I think it was Jean Cassares on HLN who even said her shoes, flip flops were on her feet.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 07, 2009, 10:19:42 PM
The five year old is the great granddaughter of Lawless.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Gypsy DD on April 07, 2009, 10:19:47 PM
Here is one of the articles.  Also I think the article Kllassend quoted talked about the FBI being there today waiting on the search warrant

SNIP/
KTLA News

April 7, 2009

TRACY -- A search warrant has been issued for a neighborhood church that police say may hold clues in the disappearance and death of Sandra Cantu whose body was found stuffed in a suitcase.


http://www.ktla.com/landing_topstories/?Pastor-Questioned-in-Sandra-Cantu-Slayin=1&blockID=252627&feedID=1198

/SNIP


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 07, 2009, 10:21:45 PM
Leslee-
the warrants are sealed as of this afternoon. There is an outstanding warrant on the church which has not been served unless they started searching now. "Served"means when they start processing the scene. But it is valid the second  a judge grants it.

Lt. Shenemen mentioned that several times today. IMO, they are awaiting a few results from the lab to begin, it would allow them to ammend anything they would need. OR, they just want the same team from the Sacramento Field Office of the FBI. That's what I would do.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: flossy on April 07, 2009, 10:22:15 PM
Do we know anything about church employees or people who might have done any work there before?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: leslee on April 07, 2009, 10:23:12 PM
It seems unusual to me, though certainly not impossible, that this  man who has a clean history would start his criminal life with such a brutal, brazen crime.  Often these types of perps engage in progressively worse crimes over time.  So far, at least, there has not been anything uncovered in the pastor's past nor any whispers from the community about this guy, at least that I have seen.  One of the comments on the church website though  did cast suspicion on a grandson, I believe.
Yes, I did see that and I'm questioning perhaps a son or grandson of the pastor.  I suppose what I'm going to say is naive on my part, but since the pastor is up there in age 77, that in itself is troubling to think he had something to do with this, but I guess he certainly could, or maybe he has a good idea who may have.


Very good point about the Pastor's age.  I also think it is odd, very odd, that the body is described as fully clothed.  For if not a sex crime, what would the motive be against a child so young?  I am thinking that LE is very carefully controlling the info that is put out there and that maybe we don't have the whole story.

I bolded....
" I can tell you that she was identified by the clothing she was wearing"
http://www.kron.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/961/reftab/36/t/Tracy-Police-Say-Local-Pastor-is-Not-the-Prime-Suspect-in-Sandra-Cantu-s-Murder/Default.aspx Around 2:41 into tape.
This tells me that the clothing was in the suitcase also but not necessarily on her body. I am wondering if this is not some teenage rebellious act carried out in the church to desecrate it.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 07, 2009, 10:23:26 PM
The five year old is the great granddaughter of Lawless.

Kassandra Diaz?
How do you know that, is there a link?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: ISpy on April 07, 2009, 10:24:18 PM
Don't just teach your kids/nieces and nephews about NOT talking to strangers because odds are if something happens it will be someone they know.

Let them know that Adults do not EVER need a kids help. Not to find another child, to ask for directions or to find a lost ball/puppy/kitty, etc...
That their body is their own and if anyone ever tries to touch them, to tell another adult. Never keep it a secret.
That if any adult tries to take them or pull them into a car to scream NO, fight, bite, punch, and scream bloody murder.

ITA Good points Pinky.
Actually, we were taught by local LE that instead of teaching your child to yell "NO!", you should teach them to yell loudly and clearly "THIS IS NOT MY MOTHER/FATHER!" along with "HELP!".  The y said that most people seeing a child kicking, screaming, nad yelling "NO!" would assume the child was just misbehaving/not wanting to leave the store or playground or whatever.  By teaching them to yell specifically "THIS IS NOT MY MOTHER/FATHER.", that will get a reaction from passersby.  They recommended actually practicing it at home.  We also teach how to bite someone's hand very hard if they try to cover your mouth and then yelling our phrase. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: N2WISHN on April 07, 2009, 10:26:42 PM
Leslee-
the warrants are sealed as of this afternoon. There is an outstanding warrant on the church which has not been served unless they started searching now. "Served"means when they start processing the scene. But it is valid the second  a judge grants it.

Lt. Shenemen mentioned that several times today. IMO, they are awaiting a few results from the lab to begin, it would allow them to ammend anything they would need. OR, they just want the same team from the Sacramento Field Office of the FBI. That's what I would do.



Here's an article saying the church has been searched twice already today

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Early Tuesday, investigators left Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, where the girl lived with her family, after collecting evidence. The nearby church was also searched, but police did not release details about what -- if anything -- they found.

Tracy police and the FBI searched the church again Tuesday afternoon. A blue tent was set up outside, and some investigators wore white suits.

http://www.ksbw.com/news/19122181/detail.html


Not sure what to believe..........


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 07, 2009, 10:28:02 PM
The five year old is the great granddaughter of Lawless.
That would make sense a great granddaughter, thanks.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 07, 2009, 10:30:56 PM
The five year old is the great granddaughter of Lawless.

Kassandra Diaz?
How do you know that, is there a link?
The pastor's wife, in the article Klaasend posted said GG five years, but the girl was not named.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: sleepyhead on April 07, 2009, 10:31:18 PM
We don't know that his church is floundering.
There could have been some junk in the suitcase that tied it to Lawless or the church.
He could have been working with a troubled soul ???
What was going on at the church that night to make an eight year old go there ?
.....
Because this man is a man of cloth and has kept his nose clean maybe it just an association. 



There could have been a paper with info about the church on it in the suitcase. Whoever put her in the suitcase, may not have looked in it to make sure nothing was in the pockets of it. Very well could have been something in there.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2009, 10:31:38 PM
The five year old is the great granddaughter of Lawless.

Kassandra Diaz?
How do you know that, is there a link?

There was an article saying that is the 5yr old she was playing with that afternoon BUT, that doesn't say she is the granddaughter of Lawless.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 07, 2009, 10:33:41 PM
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/07/BA8016UFO2.DTL&tsp=1

(snipped)

Sandra's family does not attend Clover Road Baptist Church, neighbors said. The church's Web site said Lawless has headed the church since 1981 and has three grown children and nine grandchildren.



snipped
""We were very open to them taking anything they wanted to take," Connie Lawless said. "We feel that the more people they can eliminate, the quicker they'll get to the truth of the matter."

She said police were also probably interested in them because Sandra played with their 5-year-old great-granddaughter. "She was at our house quite often," Connie Lawless said. "She was the sweetest little thing. It breaks our heart to think that anyone would take such a tiny little thing, abuse her and murder her."

She said Sandra and her sister are "like children to us, our own children." "



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: leslee on April 07, 2009, 10:33:44 PM
Here is one of the articles.  Also I think the article Kllassend quoted talked about the FBI being there today waiting on the search warrant

SNIP/
KTLA News

April 7, 2009

TRACY -- A search warrant has been issued for a neighborhood church that police say may hold clues in the disappearance and death of Sandra Cantu whose body was found stuffed in a suitcase.


http://www.ktla.com/landing_topstories/?Pastor-Questioned-in-Sandra-Cantu-Slayin=1&blockID=252627&feedID=1198

/SNIP

Ok LOL...I read this thing three times and can not find the part you snipped:
http://www.ktla.com/landing_topstories/?Pastor-Questioned-in-Sandra-Cantu-Slayin=1&blockID=252627&feedID=1198

Church Searched, Pastor Questioned in Sandra Cantu Slaying



KTLA News

April 7, 2009

TRACY - Police are searching a neighborhood church that police say may hold clues in the disappearance and death of Sandra Cantu whose body was found Monday stuffed in a suitcase.

Clover Road Baptist Church was cordoned off just hours after the 8-year old's body was discovered by farm workers draining an irrigation ditch.

Police say the church's pastor, Lane Lawless, lives in the same mobile home park as the Cantu family and has already been interviewed twice by investigators.

Lawless told a local TV station that he and his wife spent last night talking to police and said they were questioned because they know Sandra and her family and were "close friends with her."

His wife, Connie, said their great granddaughter often played with Sandra.

Connie Lawless said the couple was fully cooperating with police. She said investigators took phones and a computer, among other items, from their home.

"We're very open to them taking whatever they want," she said.

"We feel the more people they can eliminate, the quicker they will be able to get to the truth."

Connie Lawless said they had nothing to do with the girl's abduction.

"She was the sweetest little thing. It breaks it our hearts to think that anyone would take such a tiny little thing and abuse her and murder her," she said.

Police are stressing that the pastor has not been arrested and is not the prime suspect in the murder of Sandra Cantu.

Meantime, officials say results of the autopsy conducted today on the 8-year old will not be available for four to six weeks.

The second-grader disappeared on March 27 from the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Community.

According to family members, Sandra came home from school, kissed her mother, and left to play with a friend who lived a couple of houses down.

Surveillance camera footage released this weekend shows the girl skipping down the street.

"We just know that she had gone to the first house, and played for just a very short time.

And then she was on her way to another friend's house," said Lisa Encarnacion, the spokeswoman for Sandra's family.

"And we don't know, we can't confirm that she was there or she was not."
Her mother reported her missing about 8:00 that night.

Police have not identified any suspects in the girl's disappearance, but they have searched several homes.




Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2009, 10:36:19 PM
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090331/A_NEWS02/903310332

(snipped)

When she got home, Sandra left to play with a little girl named Kassandra in a home across the trailer park.

The girls played on a wooden swing tied to a tree in front of the house. They sat on the stoop and scribbled with crayons. They went inside and watched some of the movie "Flubber."

Then Kassandra told her mother, Maria Diaz, that Sandra had to go home to do homework, the 36-year-old mother told The Record.

(snipped)

IMO, nothing indicating that these people are related to the Lawless family.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 07, 2009, 10:38:09 PM
Sorry. I be mixed up. Ms. Lawless didn't say Sandra was there that day, just that she was there often to play with 5 year old GG, no name for GG.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: leslee on April 07, 2009, 10:38:14 PM
Leslee-
the warrants are sealed as of this afternoon. There is an outstanding warrant on the church which has not been served unless they started searching now. "Served"means when they start processing the scene. But it is valid the second  a judge grants it.

Lt. Shenemen mentioned that several times today. IMO, they are awaiting a few results from the lab to begin, it would allow them to ammend anything they would need. OR, they just want the same team from the Sacramento Field Office of the FBI. That's what I would do.



Here's an article saying the church has been searched twice already today

snipped
Early Tuesday, investigators left Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, where the girl lived with her family, after collecting evidence. The nearby church was also searched, but police did not release details about what -- if anything -- they found.

Tracy police and the FBI searched the church again Tuesday afternoon. A blue tent was set up outside, and some investigators wore white suits.

http://www.ksbw.com/news/19122181/detail.html


Not sure what to believe..........

Ok at least this article mentions a WARRANT thank you N2Wishin  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2009, 10:38:33 PM
http://www.ksbw.com/news/19122181/detail.html

FBI Serves Search Warrant At Tracy Church
Sandra Cantu's Body Found Monday

POSTED: 5:57 pm PDT April 7, 2009
UPDATED: 7:23 pm PDT April 7, 2009



The FBI and Tracy police served a search warrant at Clover Road Baptist Church in connection with the death of 8-year-old Sandra Cantu.
 


TRACY, Calif. -- The FBI served a search warrant at Clover Road Baptist Church on Tuesday afternoon in connection with the homicide of Sandra Cantu.

Cantu, 8, disappeared March 27, resulting in an intense hunt by police and community volunteers. No arrests have been made in connection with her death, considered a homicide.



FBI teams take evidence from Clover Road Baptist Church in Tracy.
 

Early Tuesday, investigators left Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, where the girl lived with her family, after collecting evidence. The nearby church was also searched, but police did not release details about what -- if anything -- they found.

Tracy police and the FBI searched the church again Tuesday afternoon. A blue tent was set up outside, and some investigators wore white suits.

(snipped)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 07, 2009, 10:44:08 PM
Ok, glad we straightened that one up.
Sandra and her sister  were know to the Lawless people.
I am tired, but perhaps now that this has happened, the sister has come forward with some stuff that led them to someone related to / around the Pastor.
..
Houshold hint. Do not grab the pancake syrup instead of the diswashing liquid.
Wear glasses in kitchen from now on.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2009, 10:47:31 PM
Ok, glad we straightened that one up.
Sandra and her sister  were know to the Lawless people.
I am tired, but perhaps now that this has happened, the sister has come forward with some stuff that led them to someone related to / around the Pastor.
..
Houshold hint. Do not grab the pancake syrup instead of the diswashing liquid.
Wear glasses in kitchen from now on.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 07, 2009, 10:48:33 PM
Church pastor questioned in Tracy girl's death
Demian Bulwa, Chronicle Staff Writer

Tuesday, April 7, 2009


The Clover Road Baptist Church on West Clover Road is a quarter-mile from where Sandra lived at the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park in Tracy. The church was cordoned off by yellow police tape today as officers awaited a search warrant. No arrests have been made.

Police Sgt. Tony Sheneman said investigators planned to search the church in conjunction with a search of a residence in the mobile home park. The home searched was that of the church's pastor, Lane Lawless, said his wife, Connie.

At a 3:30 p.m. press briefing, Sheneman said the pastor has not been named as a suspect. He would not provide specifics about investigators' interest in Lawless, but did say that police have found no link between the pastor and the suitcase in which Sandra's body was found.

Lawless and all other residents of the mobile home park have been interviewed about Sandra's March 27 disappearance, Sheneman said, and people will continue to be queried.

"We're not eliminating anyone," he said. "We have no specific suspects."

The Lawless couple were surrounded by reporters as they drove toward the church this afternoon.

"I just spent the night with the police down at the station answering all their questions," Lane Lawless said. Asked if he had anything to do with Sandra's slaying, he said, "No."

Connie Lawless said police seized the couple's phone and computers during the search of their home of 13 years Monday night. She said investigators had questioned her husband "just because we live in the park. They are just covering all their bases.

"We were very open to them taking anything they wanted to take," Connie Lawless said. "We feel that the more people they can eliminate, the quicker they'll get to the truth of the matter."

She said police were also probably interested in them because Sandra played with their 5-year-old great-granddaughter.

"She was at our house quite often," Connie Lawless said. "She was the sweetest little thing. It breaks our heart to think that anyone would take such a tiny little thing, abuse her and murder her."

She said Sandra and her sister are "like children to us, our own children."

Sandra's family does
not attend Clover Road Baptist Church, neighbors said. The church's Web site said Lawless has headed the church since 1981 and has three grown children and nine grandchildren.

Police have questioned at least four other people during the investigation, including Sandra's father, who lives in Mexico, and two men who live near the girl's home.

An autopsy was under way this morning at the San Joaquin County coroner's office to determine the cause of Sandra's death. Farmworkers found the suitcase containing her body Monday morning as they were draining an irrigation pond on Bacchetti Road, about two miles north of the mobile home park.

Sandra, a second-grader at Jacobson Elementary School, disappeared after telling her mother she was going to a friend's home to play. The last sighting of her was on a surveillance video taped the afternoon of March 27, showing her skipping outside her home.

Among those who came to stand vigil today was Nichole Lee, 18, a beauty-college student who used to live in the mobile home park and often babysat Sandra.

"We'd play with her, watch her, make cookies with her," said Lee, breaking into tears. "She's a good girl, very smart and always wanted to play."

Lee said, "It makes no sense. Who would have the heart to look at a little girl as she's dying? Who has the heart to do that?"

Penny Morgado, a 64-year-old retiree who has lived in the mobile home park for 12 years, said it was clear Sandra had been abducted while in the mobile home park. The girl never would have walked close to the street entrance, she said.

"She just wasn't that type of girl," Morgado said. "She did what her mom told her to do. She obeyed the rules.

"You don't know your neighbors," Morgado added. "You only know what they want you to know."

Debi McComber, 36, and her sister, Kadie Wales, 31, grew up in the mobile home park and still share a residence there.

Wales described the park as an insulated world where residents looked after each other. She said she often slept with her door open, and that she had never been burglarized.

"It's like we're our own little town in there," Wales said. "We didn't need the outside world."

The sisters spoke glowingly of Sandra, recalling how she did cartwheels through the streets while singing.

"She was like a little robot," said McComber, who teaches physical education in Tracy schools. "She was like a sponge - she soaked up everything."

Wales said she was barring her 13-year-old daughter and 10-year-old son from being outside their home without adult supervision. Even riding a bike, she said, was off-limits.

"They're not going outside alone," Wales said. "We don't know if it's our neighbor."

McComber said the case had been grueling for family members as well as neighbors and the whole city.

"It's mind-boggling," she said. "You're holding out hope and putting a lot of energy into it. And then, boom, here it hits you again."

She said of whoever killed Sandra, "That's a coward, a total coward. We've got to find him quick, just to restore some security in our lives."

Chronicle staff writers Henry K. Lee and Kevin Fagan contributed to this report. E-mail Demian Bulwa at dbulwa@sfchronicle.com.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 07, 2009, 10:50:10 PM
OMG . Sorry. Meant to tidy that last one up.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: ISpy on April 07, 2009, 10:50:12 PM
Pastor Questioned in Sandra Cantu Slaying

KTLA News

April 7, 2009

TRACY -- A search warrant has been issued for a neighborhood church that police say may hold clues in the disappearance and death of Sandra Cantu whose body was found stuffed in a suitcase.

Clover Road Baptist Church was cordoned off just hours after the 8-year old's body was discovered yesterday by farm workers draining an irrigation ditch.

Police say the church's pastor, Lane Lawless, lives in the same mobile home park as the Cantu family and has already been interviewed twice by investigators.

Lawless told a local TV station that he and his wife spent last night talking to police and said they were questioned because they know Sandra and her family and were "close friends with her."

His wife, Connie, said their great granddaughter often played with Sandra.

Connie Lawless said the couple was fully cooperating with police. She said investigators took phones and a computer, among other items, from their home.

"We're very open to them taking whatever they want," she said.

"We feel the more people they can eliminate, the quicker they will be able to get to the truth."

Connie Lawless said they had nothing to do with the girl's abduction.

"She was the sweetest little thing. It breaks it our hearts to think that anyone would take such a tiny little thing and abuse her and murder her," she said.

The second-grader disappeared on March 27 from the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Community.

According to family members, the 8-year came home from school, kissed her mother, and left to play with a friend who lived a couple of houses down.

Surveillance camera footage released this weekend shows the girl skipping down the street.

"We just know that she had gone to the first house, and played for just a very short time.

And then she was on her way to another friend's house," said Lisa Encarnacion, the spokeswoman for Sandra's family.

"And we don't know, we can't confirm that she was there or she was not."
Her mother reported her missing about 8:00 that night.

Police have not identified any suspects in the girl's disappearance, but they have searched several homes.

All the locations were connected to two men who live in the mobile home park, officials said.

Authorities have also towed four cars from the mobile home park.

The cars were being examined by a team of investigators from the Tracy Police Department and the FBI.

More than 100 mourners - some holding candles, others wiping away tears - gathered outside the mobile home park Monday night while police blocked the entrance.

Several also passed by dropping off gifts Tuesday.

http://www.ktla.com/landing_topstories/?Pastor-Questioned-in-Sandra-Cantu-Slayin=1&blockID=252627&feedID=1198
Hmmmm...I've not seen anywhere in any report that police stated Sandra was abused and then murdered, as Connie Lawless stated above.  Does anyone have a link to where this has been reported?
Also, supposedly Sandra was on her way to a second friend's house to play after the short stop at her own.  Could that second house have been the Lawless' house?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: GramaMonkey on April 07, 2009, 10:52:07 PM
Has there been any mention of other missing children in that same general area???

Hopefully the guilty will be found, and hopefully it will help solve other unsolved cases.  If she was fully clothed, this may lead them to other cases of similarity.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: flossy on April 07, 2009, 10:53:02 PM
I'm  really curious as to what might have been found on the computer of Lawless and if that may have had anything to do with the search moving to the church.  Wondering if maybe someone else used his computer from time to time - possibly a son or grandson.  Maybe even someone with whom he was acquainted through the church.

I don't necessarily think Lawless himself harmed Sandra, but maybe someone close to him did.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A's Fever on April 07, 2009, 10:53:30 PM
It seems unusual to me, though certainly not impossible, that this  man who has a clean history would start his criminal life with such a brutal, brazen crime.  Often these types of perps engage in progressively worse crimes over time.  So far, at least, there has not been anything uncovered in the pastor's past nor any whispers from the community about this guy, at least that I have seen.  One of the comments on the church website though  did cast suspicion on a grandson, I believe.
Yes, I did see that and I'm questioning perhaps a son or grandson of the pastor.  I suppose what I'm going to say is naive on my part, but since the pastor is up there in age 77, that in itself is troubling to think he had something to do with this, but I guess he certainly could, or maybe he has a good idea who may have.


Very good point about the Pastor's age.  I also think it is odd, very odd, that the body is described as fully clothed.  For if not a sex crime, what would the motive be against a child so young?  I am thinking that LE is very carefully controlling the info that is put out there and that maybe we don't have the whole story.
I wondered about fully clothed also, and pages back there are posts about redressing the victim, if I recall this right that some perps who are very fond of the victim may dress the person after they die. I think it was Jean Cassares on HLN who even said her shoes, flip flops were on her feet.

I saw the post about redressing, but it seems unlikely to me.  Of course I have no idea, but it just seems that the abduction of a child is such a sensational crime that the perp would know that he would have to move very quickly - and redressing a lifeless body takes time. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 07, 2009, 10:55:29 PM


Klaas,
I did it again, made a Sandra post in the Natalee Thread.  If you will remove it, I promise never to ask a mod for help again ever.

Sorry.  Will go watch TV until I can concentrate better.  This has me upset.

But what I said was we have innocent until proven guilty and all that so I am not going to point a finger at anybody without some kind of proof.

That said, I would sure hate to be the first person questioned after a body had been recovered.

Just saying. . . . . .


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: leslee on April 07, 2009, 10:58:38 PM
OMG . Sorry. Meant to tidy that last one up.


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Laughter IS the best medicine ::MonkeyWink:: Ok.... whatever they found at the pond or in the suitcase gave them suspicion of more than one perp. It almost sounds like something revealed today confirmed there was More than one perp. I could be wrong but I don't think child SO like sharing, they are similar to serial killers in that they work alone. COULD Sandra have seen something she was not supposed to see? A drug deal going down with the perps already stoned out of their minds?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 07, 2009, 10:59:45 PM
Sorry. I be mixed up. Ms. Lawless didn't say Sandra was there that day, just that she was there often to play with 5 year old GG, no name for GG.

NP Kat gram- To be honest, I would have checked out the connection as you did myself.
Thanks for clearing it up :)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2009, 10:59:47 PM


Klaas,
I did it again, made a Sandra post in the Natalee Thread.  If you will remove it, I promise never to ask a mod for help again ever.

Sorry.  Will go watch TV until I can concentrate better.  This has me upset.

But what I said was we have innocent until proven guilty and all that so I am not going to point a finger at anybody without some kind of proof.

That said, I would sure hate to be the first person questioned after a body had been recovered.

Just saying. . . . . .

Anna - I fixed it in the NH thread.  It's easy to do when you have multiple windows/tabs open.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 07, 2009, 11:02:57 PM
Klaas, I know but twice in one day is a bit much.

Will do better in the future.  If we all did this twice a day, you'd be a very busy person.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2009, 11:08:42 PM
http://www.tracypress.com/pages/news

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/0407fbichurchsearch1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/0407fbichurchsearch2.jpg)

Church search continues
Apr 07, 2009 | 0  | 1  | 
FBI crime-scene investigators comb through the Clover Road Baptist Church today for evidence in the Sandra Cantu murder case.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cartfly on April 07, 2009, 11:14:03 PM
JUST SPECULATING, NOT A CONFIRMED FACT: I do not remember where I read this (perhaps topix, if so take it with a grain of salt, but locals post here) Anyway, I read about a local person speculating about a group of workers remodeling/working on one of the mobile homes in the park. I bring this up because someone in this group could have easily spoke to her/put her in a vehicle and left the park for another location. Also if any of these "workers" were anundocumented illegalhe would not have much to worry about, i.e. no record of his "legal" existence, easy to disappear. Anyway, just speculating on something I read. I will try to locate where I read about the workers in the park.

My other theory which makes more sense to me is the Slayter (?) guy who was arrested for obstruction. I do not get a good feeling about him.

Also, in regards to the pastor, he sure looks alot younger than 77 years old!! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 07, 2009, 11:30:38 PM
I think in any missing child case, they start with the family and the people who were / are the closest, then work outwards. Last known associations, etc.
We have no idea why the Pastor was questioned or why those other vehicles were taken away. We also have no idea of any connection any of these people have to each other, if any. Toss in sixty kiddy porn fans to the mix.   
..
Can you imagine living there right now ?   


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cecilita on April 07, 2009, 11:47:11 PM
I think in any missing child case, they start with the family and the people who were / are the closest, then work outwards. Last known associations, etc.
We have no idea why the Pastor was questioned or why those other vehicles were taken away. We also have no idea of any connection any of these people have to each other, if any. Toss in sixty kiddy porn fans to the mix.   
..
Can you imagine living there right now ?   
how he knows that sandra was abused?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 07, 2009, 11:49:41 PM
Did law enforcement state suspects?

Janet

+++++++

Police Eye Oakdale Property in Search for Sandra
FOX40 News
April 2, 2009


On Thursday, April 1st, police expanded their search to the Tracy landfill as well as a home in Oakdale.  Authorities tell us the home belongs to a relative of Chris Sinclair, a resident of the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park who has been identified as a person of interest in the case.  FOX40 spoke with Sinclair, who says he's not sure why he's under investigation.  Sinclair said he returned home earlier this week, and both of his cars were gone.  He says police asked if he knew anything about Sandra's disappearance.  Martial arts instructor, Frank Wohler, is another person of interest who has  been questioned by police.  He lives a few houses down from Sandra and peaked the interest of investigators when they learned he kissed Sanda on the lips at the community pool two years ago.  Wohler says he was just being friendly and nice.  "It's kinda my nature and I haven't talked to her since.  I've seen her in the park, but that's it," Wohler said.

http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_local_headlines/?Police-Eye-Oakdale-Property-in-Search-fo=1&blockID=256041&feedID=190


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 08, 2009, 12:33:54 AM
Family spokeswoman's past revealed

Lisa Encarnacion, who up a few days ago was the spokeswoman for Sandra Cantu’s family, said today she stepped back from that role when police told the family about her criminal past.
<snip>

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=news&id=2260894-Family+spokeswoman-s+past+revealed&widget=push&instance=special_coverage_bullets_right_column&article-Family%20spokeswoman-s%20past%20revealed%20=&open=&


At least the police were looking after the people who surrounded this family. That makes me even more confident about this investigation.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 08, 2009, 12:34:52 AM
NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/07/sandra-cantu-case-church-searched-pastors-wife-speaks/

Sandra Cantu Case: Church Searched- Pastors Wife Speaks


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 08, 2009, 12:37:55 AM
http://www.kron.com

Has a live broadcast of the evening news at 11:00 a.m. (look for the live banner on the right of the screen)

They will probably do a wrap up of the day and a live remote from the MHP. They did last night.

That's 1:00 p.m. CST or 2:00 EST


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 08, 2009, 12:40:06 AM
ACK! klaas can you please change the p.m. to a.m.?

Thanks in advance.

I had a pink moment and hit send before previewing.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 08, 2009, 01:33:52 AM
http://tracypress.com/

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Alyssa Tristan signs a poster in memory of Sandra Cantu at one of the memorials for the slain girl outside the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park Tuesday afternoon. Glenn Moore/Tracy Press

Town mourns its lost child as police look for clues
by Jennifer Wadsworth / TP staff1 hr 20 mins ago


Police on Tuesday searched a church and talked to neighbors of a Tracy girl whose body was found crammed inside a suitcase and dropped into a pond a couple of miles northeast of where she lived.

FBI agents and Tracy police detective Keith Hooks marked as evidence a paper towel that was left by the fence of Clover Road Baptist Church, where police served one of a few search warrants Tuesday, including one in the mobile home park where 8-year-old Sandra Cantu lived and from where she went missing March 27.

As of late Tuesday, no arrests had been made and no suspects named. An autopsy is under way to determine how Sandra died, but Tracy police spokesman Sgt. Tony Sheneman said he can’t say when the coroner’s office will release a preliminary report, let alone when they’ll say for certain how the Jacobsen Elementary School second-grader died.

Police have said very little about how close they are to finding a killer, though they’ve interviewed hundreds of people and plan to search several more homes “during the course of the investigation,” Sheneman said.

Investigators on Tuesday evening took a few items from the Clover Road church and looked inside the crawl spaces and a water heater shed out front.

The pastor of the church, 77-year-old Clifford Lane Lawless, told reporters that police questioned him and his wife, Connie, for three hours Monday night because Sandra used to go over a lot to play with their great-grandchild.

Lawless and his wife told reporters that they had nothing to do with Sandra’s disappearance.

"We're very open to them taking whatever they want today," Connie Lawless said. "We feel the more people they can eliminate, the quicker they will be able to get to the truth.”

The church sits near a dead-end country road just yards away from where Sandra lived.

Sheneman refused to name any suspects or “persons of interest” and shot down rumors that Lawless was a suspect.

"He has been interviewed, as have hundreds of people … We have no specific person that we are looking at this time."

Lawless, a pastor of the church since 1981, has no criminal history and no civil lawsuits against him in San Joaquin County, court records show. The only property he owns in San Joaquin County is his mobile home.

But the Clover Road Baptist Church seems as physically isolated from the rest of the city, one of the last buildings on a dead-end street, as it seems culturally set apart from other churches in town.

Several Tracy pastors said they don’t know that much about Lawless; he doesn’t join the 15 or 20 other pastors in town for Thursday prayer breakfasts.

Tim Heinrich of the Crossroads Baptist Church said Lawless declines to network with fellow pastors in town. Other pastors said the church has few events and focuses on church history because it disagrees with some of the tenets of others churches.

No one in the neighborhood surrounding Orchard Estates said they attend the Baptist church — surrounded now by yellow crime-scene tape. About a dozen neighbors said they don’t know anyone who does and that it has a tiny congregation.

Folks from a Jehovah’s Witness church across the street from Clover Road Baptist said they've never talked to anyone from the congregation. Pastors, members and elders of a handful of other churches in northern Tracy said the same thing.


The pastor’s name is the fourth to have come up in the missing person-turned murder investigation. Police served a search warrant on 60-year old martial arts teacher Frank Wohler, who lived behind Sandra’s home and said he kissed her on the lips two years ago just to be nice.

Christian Sinclair, 49 — who’s depicted in court records as abusive and alcoholic — was arrested last week for obstructing the investigation. Police searched his home, too.

Sinclair’s friend, David Slayter, 44, was then taken to the police station for questioning last week as the FBI and Stockton and Tracy police searched his home and took out several items.

The courts sealed 10 search warrants served up until Tuesday and will likely seal those ordered Tuesday and the several others Sheneman said will be served during the course of the investigation.

Dairy farm workers found Sandra's body Monday morning when they drained an irrigation pond to water nearby fields. Police said she wore the same pink “Hello Kitty” T-shirt and black tights she had on when she was last seen alive.

Investigators said whoever left her body in the pond must have been familiar with the rural outskirts north of Tracy.

“Someone would have to be familiar with that area to know to go there to place that suitcase,” Sheneman said Tuesday, adding that he knows of no link between Lawless and the black suitcase.

The little girl’s disappearance sparked a massive search that included 18 agencies and several hundred volunteers. It drew more than 1,000 tips and $26,000 in reward money.

Photos of the lively blonde-haired, brown-eyed girl plastered cars, utility poles and buildings across Tracy — a town of 82,000 — and in the Bay Area and southern Central Valley. Schoolmates said she was a popular student.

The tragic close to a 10-day search wielded a devastating blow for a town that has seen news that some of its residents are accusing of kidnapping and torture, that a teacher and softball coach allegedly downloaded child pornography and that a plastic surgeon is accused of molesting upward of 30 patients.

"This community has been tested severely," said City Manager Leon Churchill Jr. "There's a cultural ethic here. You're expected to be a good neighbor. This is a kinder, gentler place.

Longtime Tracy residents remember a small-town atmosphere that has given way to some big-city problems in the past decade, as the town began absorbing sprawl from the San Francisco Bay area.

"We have more people here and that's loosened serenity of this town," said Joe Atuna, 62, who's lived here for 25 years. "Tracy is getting bigger and scarier."

On Tuesday, Atuna and other mourners stopped by a makeshift memorial outside the complex where Sandra lived, shedding some tears and leaving a huge pile of stuffed animals, cards and other trinkets for a girl they say could have been one of their own.

Members of a local church youth group sang “Amazing Grace” and other hymns Tuesday, holding hands and swaying by the memorial, crowded by dozens of mourners during the day and hundreds at nightfall. Twin sisters Lilly and Layla James — both Sandra’s age — burst into tears after placing bouquets among the other gifts.

Sabrina Cason, 31, took her 5-year-old daughter, Alyssa, to drop off some purple lilies and said she had a hard time explaining what happened to Sandra to her three children.

"This has shaken our little town up," Cason said, "for her to be so close to home and this to happen. I think we all had a lot of hope that she would come home safely."


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Cappuccino on April 08, 2009, 02:02:17 AM
I got an eery feeling reading that article - it just seems disconcerting any time I see a person acting reclusive yet is at the helm of a gathering of people be it religious or social.   Something just has my hair standing on end & I can't shake it.

Update: 
Coroner: Autopsy for Murdered Tracy Girl Will Not Be Ready for Four to Six Weeks
Created by Brian Shields on 4/7/2009 12:18:09 AM
http://www.kron4.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/961/reftab/36/t/Search-Warrants-Target-Church-Near-Mobile-Home-Park-Where-Sandra-Cantu-Lived/Default.aspx


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 02:05:14 AM
http://tracypress.com/

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Alyssa Tristan signs a poster in memory of Sandra Cantu at one of the memorials for the slain girl outside the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park Tuesday afternoon. Glenn Moore/Tracy Press

Town mourns its lost child as police look for clues
by Jennifer Wadsworth / TP staff1 hr 20 mins ago


Police on Tuesday searched a church and talked to neighbors of a Tracy girl whose body was found crammed inside a suitcase and dropped into a pond a couple of miles northeast of where she lived.

FBI agents and Tracy police detective Keith Hooks marked as evidence a paper towel that was left by the fence of Clover Road Baptist Church, where police served one of a few search warrants Tuesday, including one in the mobile home park where 8-year-old Sandra Cantu lived and from where she went missing March 27.

As of late Tuesday, no arrests had been made and no suspects named. An autopsy is under way to determine how Sandra died, but Tracy police spokesman Sgt. Tony Sheneman said he can’t say when the coroner’s office will release a preliminary report, let alone when they’ll say for certain how the Jacobsen Elementary School second-grader died.

Police have said very little about how close they are to finding a killer, though they’ve interviewed hundreds of people and plan to search several more homes “during the course of the investigation,” Sheneman said.

Investigators on Tuesday evening took a few items from the Clover Road church and looked inside the crawl spaces and a water heater shed out front.

The pastor of the church, 77-year-old Clifford Lane Lawless, told reporters that police questioned him and his wife, Connie, for three hours Monday night because Sandra used to go over a lot to play with their great-grandchild.

Lawless and his wife told reporters that they had nothing to do with Sandra’s disappearance.

"We're very open to them taking whatever they want today," Connie Lawless said. "We feel the more people they can eliminate, the quicker they will be able to get to the truth.”

The church sits near a dead-end country road just yards away from where Sandra lived.

Sheneman refused to name any suspects or “persons of interest” and shot down rumors that Lawless was a suspect.

"He has been interviewed, as have hundreds of people … We have no specific person that we are looking at this time."

Lawless, a pastor of the church since 1981, has no criminal history and no civil lawsuits against him in San Joaquin County, court records show. The only property he owns in San Joaquin County is his mobile home.

But the Clover Road Baptist Church seems as physically isolated from the rest of the city, one of the last buildings on a dead-end street, as it seems culturally set apart from other churches in town.

Several Tracy pastors said they don’t know that much about Lawless; he doesn’t join the 15 or 20 other pastors in town for Thursday prayer breakfasts.

Tim Heinrich of the Crossroads Baptist Church said Lawless declines to network with fellow pastors in town. Other pastors said the church has few events and focuses on church history because it disagrees with some of the tenets of others churches.

No one in the neighborhood surrounding Orchard Estates said they attend the Baptist church — surrounded now by yellow crime-scene tape. About a dozen neighbors said they don’t know anyone who does and that it has a tiny congregation.

Folks from a Jehovah’s Witness church across the street from Clover Road Baptist said they've never talked to anyone from the congregation. Pastors, members and elders of a handful of other churches in northern Tracy said the same thing.


The pastor’s name is the fourth to have come up in the missing person-turned murder investigation. Police served a search warrant on 60-year old martial arts teacher Frank Wohler, who lived behind Sandra’s home and said he kissed her on the lips two years ago just to be nice.

Christian Sinclair, 49 — who’s depicted in court records as abusive and alcoholic — was arrested last week for obstructing the investigation. Police searched his home, too.

Sinclair’s friend, David Slayter, 44, was then taken to the police station for questioning last week as the FBI and Stockton and Tracy police searched his home and took out several items.

The courts sealed 10 search warrants served up until Tuesday and will likely seal those ordered Tuesday and the several others Sheneman said will be served during the course of the investigation.

Dairy farm workers found Sandra's body Monday morning when they drained an irrigation pond to water nearby fields. Police said she wore the same pink “Hello Kitty” T-shirt and black tights she had on when she was last seen alive.

Investigators said whoever left her body in the pond must have been familiar with the rural outskirts north of Tracy.

“Someone would have to be familiar with that area to know to go there to place that suitcase,” Sheneman said Tuesday, adding that he knows of no link between Lawless and the black suitcase.

The little girl’s disappearance sparked a massive search that included 18 agencies and several hundred volunteers. It drew more than 1,000 tips and $26,000 in reward money.

Photos of the lively blonde-haired, brown-eyed girl plastered cars, utility poles and buildings across Tracy — a town of 82,000 — and in the Bay Area and southern Central Valley. Schoolmates said she was a popular student.

The tragic close to a 10-day search wielded a devastating blow for a town that has seen news that some of its residents are accusing of kidnapping and torture, that a teacher and softball coach allegedly downloaded child pornography and that a plastic surgeon is accused of molesting upward of 30 patients.

"This community has been tested severely," said City Manager Leon Churchill Jr. "There's a cultural ethic here. You're expected to be a good neighbor. This is a kinder, gentler place.

Longtime Tracy residents remember a small-town atmosphere that has given way to some big-city problems in the past decade, as the town began absorbing sprawl from the San Francisco Bay area.

"We have more people here and that's loosened serenity of this town," said Joe Atuna, 62, who's lived here for 25 years. "Tracy is getting bigger and scarier."

On Tuesday, Atuna and other mourners stopped by a makeshift memorial outside the complex where Sandra lived, shedding some tears and leaving a huge pile of stuffed animals, cards and other trinkets for a girl they say could have been one of their own.

Members of a local church youth group sang “Amazing Grace” and other hymns Tuesday, holding hands and swaying by the memorial, crowded by dozens of mourners during the day and hundreds at nightfall. Twin sisters Lilly and Layla James — both Sandra’s age — burst into tears after placing bouquets among the other gifts.

Sabrina Cason, 31, took her 5-year-old daughter, Alyssa, to drop off some purple lilies and said she had a hard time explaining what happened to Sandra to her three children.

"This has shaken our little town up," Cason said, "for her to be so close to home and this to happen. I think we all had a lot of hope that she would come home safely."


Do you know  if he  did an interview with the press? Does he sound coherent? Both times I saw him on TV he seemed to have others talking. Maybe he has dementia or something?
Also, I don't have access to the full police blotter for this area but was a break in at the church reported  at all in the past week? For some reason I am recalling a break in a few months back??? Could be wrong.
No one can answer why this man and this woman would be a party to this?
The talk in town is that she was abused before she was murdered. I don't believe the wife saying she was abused really is a clue. Also, they may have told them something during the questioning??? Also, we do not really know when Sandra's body was placed in the water, could have been the day before she was found and the minister could have found something that day.

A person interviewed is a member of the church, he states that suit case was stolen from the churches parking lot it was being donated for a rumage sale.

Synclair was questioned again according to the 11:00 news


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 02:13:43 AM
Was this the group of chruches he is refering to? there really is only a handful of churches in the area who are a part of it

http://www.tracyinterfaith.org/tim_member_churches.htm (http://www.tracyinterfaith.org/tim_member_churches.htm)



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: finngirl on April 08, 2009, 04:24:58 AM

NG last night/LE officer:

not an irrrigation ditch but an overflow pond
which collects biomass from the nearby dairy

googled dairy biomass:
the pens/stalls which contain urine/manure/renderings
are flushed w/ water which is then directed to a designated pond

the manure contains methane gas
which undergoes anaerobic digestion in the collection site

so this child was dumped in a dairy toilet?

and the perp hopes/knows that the filthy water
will degrade DNA/other evidence?

_ _ _


re-dressing the body: a gesture of affection and/or remorse

IMO not difficult for an adult to dress a lifeless child
(either physically or in terms of the time required)

an adult, yes, but not a child's small body

I've undressed/washed/dressed many deceased adults
but always w/ the the assistance of 1-2 other people
(and before rigor manifested)

a co-worker who has performed the task w/ children
says it's easily accomplished by one person



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 08, 2009, 08:45:19 AM
Family spokeswoman's past revealed

Lisa Encarnacion, who up a few days ago was the spokeswoman for Sandra Cantu’s family, said today she stepped back from that role when police told the family about her criminal past.
<snip>

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=news&id=2260894-Family+spokeswoman-s+past+revealed&widget=push&instance=special_coverage_bullets_right_column&article-Family%20spokeswoman-s%20past%20revealed%20=&open=&


At least the police were looking after the people who surrounded this family. That makes me even more confident about this investigation.



Very good perspective Pink. This infuriates me. Its like these people were victimized twice. I dont suggest that sometimes people can make bad decisions for which they end up turning their life around, in some cases I believe that. BUT BE UPFRONT.
What would make this woman think it was ok to hide that fact or that it would not come out? Furthermore, I am aware of some comments that she made about Leoanrd Padilla when he offered the reward for Sandra's safe return that make me realize the reason she told them not to accept it (they did take him up on his offer to post a reward anyway) was because the media attention may spotlight her criminal past. The reality is however, as we learned in Caylee's case and others is if someone offers to help that is reputable, they are not going to mind if you check them out and you should..
Thanks for posting this Pink
B


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: leslee on April 08, 2009, 08:48:56 AM

Do you know  if he  did an interview with the press? Does he sound coherent? Both times I saw him on TV he seemed to have others talking. Maybe he has dementia or something?
Also, I don't have access to the full police blotter for this area but was a break in at the church reported  at all in the past week? For some reason I am recalling a break in a few months back??? Could be wrong.
No one can answer why this man and this woman would be a party to this?
The talk in town is that she was abused before she was murdered. I don't believe the wife saying she was abused really is a clue.[b/] Also, they may have told them something during the questioning??? Also, we do not really know when Sandra's body was placed in the water, could have been the day before she was found and the minister could have found something that day.

A person interviewed is a member of the church, he states that suit case was stolen from the churches parking lot it was being donated for a rumage sale.

Synclair was questioned again according to the 11:00 news

Thank you for your insight... I too think this is just a reasonable assumption rather than any type of clue or "special knowledge". Your point about dementia is also possible, his wife was driving the car. The police have made it a point to say that the Pastor is not a POI. I guess it just makes it "good read" to point out the obvious. *sigh*


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 08, 2009, 08:51:55 AM
I got an eery feeling reading that article - it just seems disconcerting any time I see a person acting reclusive yet is at the helm of a gathering of people be it religious or social.   Something just has my hair standing on end & I can't shake it.

Update: 
Coroner: Autopsy for Murdered Tracy Girl Will Not Be Ready for Four to Six Weeks
Created by Brian Shields on 4/7/2009 12:18:09 AM
http://www.kron4.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/961/reftab/36/t/Search-Warrants-Target-Church-Near-Mobile-Home-Park-Where-Sandra-Cantu-Lived/Default.aspx

Nope, I agree 100% Capp, my research on this guy is concerning


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 08, 2009, 09:11:58 AM
I got an eery feeling reading that article - it just seems disconcerting any time I see a person acting reclusive yet is at the helm of a gathering of people be it religious or social.   Something just has my hair standing on end & I can't shake it.

Update: 
Coroner: Autopsy for Murdered Tracy Girl Will Not Be Ready for Four to Six Weeks
Created by Brian Shields on 4/7/2009 12:18:09 AM
http://www.kron4.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/961/reftab/36/t/Search-Warrants-Target-Church-Near-Mobile-Home-Park-Where-Sandra-Cantu-Lived/Default.aspx

I agree with you Cap... I am suspicious of anyone - be it pastor, construction worker, whoever.  Bad people hide among us everyday.  I feel that LE is being very meticulous about this investigation and are leaving no stone unturned. 

They are moving in a direction.  The FBI doesn't just flip a coin and decide to search somewhere randomly.  And certainly search warrants aren't just handed out like candy.  The following days will tell us alot - I believe.  This case is probably has top priority in the labs. 

I also feel the LE and FBI take these cases personally.  How can you not?  They are on a mission to find this creep.

I say if it finds the killer of this precious child, then turn the whole town upside down.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 08, 2009, 09:21:52 AM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/08/sandra-cantu-c…brating-sandrasandra-cantu-case-celebrating-sandra/

For Sandra’s Family, won’t you take a moment to leave a comment of praise or condolence for the doe-eyed princess we never met, but will never forget? I will be passing this link on to Sandra’s family.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: goodnmad on April 08, 2009, 09:22:32 AM
I got an eery feeling reading that article - it just seems disconcerting any time I see a person acting reclusive yet is at the helm of a gathering of people be it religious or social.   Something just has my hair standing on end & I can't shake it.

Update: 
Coroner: Autopsy for Murdered Tracy Girl Will Not Be Ready for Four to Six Weeks
Created by Brian Shields on 4/7/2009 12:18:09 AM
http://www.kron4.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/961/reftab/36/t/Search-Warrants-Target-Church-Near-Mobile-Home-Park-Where-Sandra-Cantu-Lived/Default.aspx

Nope, I agree 100% Capp, my research on this guy is concerning

The ones who can "pass" scare me the most. Think Dennis Rader, Ted Bundy. People who appear "normal" but deep inside are killers.

Hmm, hope you will be sharing that research when it's appropriate Blink.  ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Heart on April 08, 2009, 09:27:09 AM
Good morning all!

I don't know if this has been posted or not, but just now on MSNBC they reported that a member of the church informed LE that a suitcase resembling the one that Sandra was contained in was stolen from one of the vehicles on the chuch grounds.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Rob on April 08, 2009, 09:40:52 AM
Good morning all!

I don't know if this has been posted or not, but just now on MSNBC they reported that a member of the church informed LE that a suitcase resembling the one that Sandra was contained in was stolen from one of the vehicles on the chuch grounds.

most suitcases have the name of the owner on it. And tags from airports.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: goodnmad on April 08, 2009, 09:48:04 AM
Good morning all!

I don't know if this has been posted or not, but just now on MSNBC they reported that a member of the church informed LE that a suitcase resembling the one that Sandra was contained in was stolen from one of the vehicles on the chuch grounds.

most suitcases have the name of the owner on it. And tags from airports.

if it had a name tag on it, would the perp be dumb enough not to remove it?

is that why someone is now claiming it was stolen? or was it really stolen?

from what I can tell so far, I think we will see an arrest and have at least a few answers sooner than later.

At least I hope so.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 09:55:49 AM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/08/sandra-cantu-c…brating-sandrasandra-cantu-case-celebrating-sandra/

For Sandra’s Family, won’t you take a moment to leave a comment of praise or condolence for the doe-eyed princess we never met, but will never forget? I will be passing this link on to Sandra’s family.
Thank-you Blink


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 10:22:39 AM
Good morning all!

I don't know if this has been posted or not, but just now on MSNBC they reported that a member of the church informed LE that a suitcase resembling the one that Sandra was contained in was stolen from one of the vehicles on the chuch grounds.
Thanks, I find that odd, I wonder if the car was locked?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 08, 2009, 10:35:32 AM
Good morning all!

I don't know if this has been posted or not, but just now on MSNBC they reported that a member of the church informed LE that a suitcase resembling the one that Sandra was contained in was stolen from one of the vehicles on the chuch grounds.
Thanks, I find that odd, I wonder if the car was locked?

Odd is right.  This would leave me to believe that someone would have had knowledge of there being a suitcase - I wouldn't think that if you had a dead body on your hands, that you would just randomly look around in cars for a container.  If this is correct, someone knew there was a suitcase in that vehicle....Or was it just convenient to report a stolen suitcase, just in case it was found later??? Hmmm.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 08, 2009, 10:38:49 AM
Has there been any announcement about any more press conferences today?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Heart on April 08, 2009, 10:39:53 AM
FBI Digs Under Church; Memorial For Sandra Grows
Expert Criticizes Police Response To Case; Sandra's Father Defends Officers

TRACY, Calif. (CBS13/AP) ―

As residents in this quiet Northern California community questioned who would stuff an 8-year-old girl's body in a suitcase and dump it in a pond, police Tuesday searched a local church and questioned the girl's neighbors.

"I hope they catch whoever did this. I lived here my whole life. I used to feel safe, but I don't anymore," said 19-year-old Melissa Landrum, who lives in the mobile home complex where Sandra Cantu was last seen alive March 27 and had known the girl since she was born.

The investigation has touched on everyone who lives in the complex, including a pastor who became a focus Tuesday. Investigators cordoned off Pastor Lane Lawless' home and Clover Road Baptist Church for a search after questioning him for three hours the night before.

The Clover Road Baptist Church was cordoned off Tuesday afternoon as agents from the Federal Bureau of Investigation combed over the property, hauling out items and bagging items found.

CBS13 cameras rolled as an agent from the FBI's Evidence Response Team crawled into an underground space and emerged with what appeared to be a pair of work gloves. The FBI has not commented on what they are searching for.

Officers searched the Lawless' home again Tuesday morning, along with four other homes in the complex, according to a maintenance worker who witnessed it.

Police point out that, contrary to some media reports, that Lawless has not been arrested, only questioned, "like hundreds of people," said Sgt. Sheneman. Officials stressed that they are not focusing on any one person in the investigation, but say the case is shaping up to head in a particular direction.

That direction, Sheneman said, is confidential. "To comment on that would compromise the investigation and I cannot do that," he said.

Despite officials' downplaying the significance of searching the pastor's home and church, retired FBI profiler Candace DeLong says authorities are legally obligated to justify their interest.

"They will have to have sworn before a magistrate they had reason to search that property," DeLong said. "They're not releasing that information now, but there has to be a reason he's a person of interest and they got a search warrant."

DeLong also believes that investigators already know the cause of death, but are not ready to release that information to the public. She says that, in 75 percent of similar cases, the killer will be a caretaker or relative of the child.

"The likelihood is that this is someone that saw her, that coveted her, that invloved her in his fantasies, then actoed out that fantasy," said DeLong.

The wife of Pastor Lawless says that they are cooperating fully with investigators.

"They took the usual stuff, phone, computer, things of that nature," said Connie Lawless. "We were very open to them taking anything they wanted to take. We were not at all disturbed by that. We feel that the more people they can eliminate the quicker they will be able to get to the truth of the matter."

Connie said she suspected that police were interested in her husband's church because Sandra often played at their house with their granddaughter. She said the Lawless family has nothing to do with Sandra's disappearance.

"It breaks our heart that someone would take such a sweet child," she said.

Officials say they suspect the culprit is a local resident, given the area that Sandra's remains were found in. She was stuffed into a suitcase and dumped into an irrigation pond, in a rural area about two miles from where she lived.

"I've lived here for almost 12 years, I've worked here for nine years," Sheneman said. "The location where Sandra's body was found I'm completely unfamiliar with. Someone would have to be familiar with the area to know to go there to place that suitcase."

A somber crowd gathered at a makeshift memorial for Sandra outside the mobile home park where she lived. Stuffed animals, flowers, candles and written prayers decorated the memorial as the ever-growing crowd stood mostly in silence.

One mourner fainted at the scene and was taken away by ambulance, according to CBS13 correspondent Laura Cole.

A local defense attorney and DNA expert that has worked on several famous cases -- including the Unabomber, O.J. Simpson and the Phil Spector murder trial -- says that critical details of the case will point police to Sandra's murderer.

"The fact that she was still clothed in the clothes she had [the day she disappeared] suggests to me that whatever happened probably happened very quickly," said Bob Blaiser.

Surveillance video showed Sandra Cantu skipping away from her mobile home park the day she disappeared, and Blaiser says that was opportunity the killer was waiting for.

"It may have been what attracted the person who kidnapped her, the fact that she was also alone," Blaiser said.

The fact that Sandra was found so close to her home suggests that the murder was a crime of passion, he added.

Blaiser criticized the Tracy Police Department's handling of the case, saying that they took too long to bring in scent dogs to track down the missing eight-year-old girl, a move he said could have "absolutely" saved her life.

"It's very sloppy police work," Blaiser said. "They can't think of everything, but that's sort of the very obvious thing that you expect them to think about."

Scent dogs did search the park and around Sandra's home the day after she went missing, and Blaiser says her scent was most likely gone by that point.

Sandra Cantu's father publicly defended the Tracy Police Department for their work in the case and expressed his appreciation for their dedication.

"They're doing everything possible," Daniel Cantu said. "I don't think anyone else put in this position could've done any better."

http://cbs13.com/local/sandra.cantu.church.2.979400.html


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Heart on April 08, 2009, 10:45:50 AM
Spotlight on Suitcase in Tracy Girl's Disappearance, Death Young girl's body was found stuffed in luggage

Updated 6:45 AM PDT, Wed, Apr 8, 2009


Flowers, candles and balloons have been piling up outside the mobile home where Sandra Cantu lived since the girl's reported disappearance.
 
Police on Tuesday removed bags of evidence from a Baptist church near the home of 8-year-old Sandra Cantu, who was found dead nine days after she disappeared from her Tracy mobile home.

Police searched the home and the church of a Tracy pastor for clues in the death of a missing Tracy girl.

The pastor of Clover Road Baptist Church, Lane Lawless, has been questioned several times and says he's cooperating with investigators. He says he had nothing to do with the girl's disappearance.

Church member Fred Williams told KCRA that he believes police are wrongfully targeting the church and pastor.

"There's not one member there that would have anything to do with anything like that kind of situation," Williams said. "More people should come to church and hang out with him because they would find out what a fun loving kind of guy that he is," Williams said.

Williams also said the black suitcase Cantu was found in was reported stolen from another member of the congregation on the day Cantu disappeared. It was apparently intended for a rummage sale, according to Williams.

Meanwhile, the memorial outside Sandra Cantu's home has grown to nearly triple size in the past few days. Flowers, candles and balloons have been piling up outside the mobile home since the girl's reported disappearance.

"I hope they catch whoever did this. I lived here my whole life. I used to feel safe, but I don't anymore," said 19-year-old Melissa Landrum, who lives in the mobile home complex where Sandra Cantu was last seen alive March 27 and had known the girl since she was born.

The investigation has touched on everyone who lives in the complex, including a pastor who became a focus Tuesday. Investigators cordoned off Pastor Lane Lawless' home and Clover Road Baptist Church for a search after questioning him for three hours the night before.

Lawless and his wife, Connie, told reporters that they had been interviewed because they lived down the street from Sandra's family and their great-granddaughter often played with her. They said they had nothing to do with her disappearance.

"We're very open to them taking whatever they want today," Connie Lawless said. "We feel the more people they can eliminate, the quicker they will be able to get to the truth."

Police have not named any suspects in the case.

"He has been interviewed as have hundreds of people," Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman said of Lawless. "Everyone that we speak to could be considered a person of interest. We have no specific person that we are looking at at this time."

Search warrants have been served for at least two other men in the girl's neighborhood since the investigation began.

Police will hold a news conference Wednesday to update the media and public on the case.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Spotlight-on-Suitcase-in-Tracy-Girls-Disappearance-Death.html


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: N2WISHN on April 08, 2009, 10:46:20 AM
Good morning all!

I don't know if this has been posted or not, but just now on MSNBC they reported that a member of the church informed LE that a suitcase resembling the one that Sandra was contained in was stolen from one of the vehicles on the chuch grounds.
Thanks, I find that odd, I wonder if the car was locked?

Odd is right.  This would leave me to believe that someone would have had knowledge of there being a suitcase - I wouldn't think that if you had a dead body on your hands, that you would just randomly look around in cars for a container.  If this is correct, someone knew there was a suitcase in that vehicle....Or was it just convenient to report a stolen suitcase, just in case it was found later??? Hmmm.


An article mentions the suitcase being stolen, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Some man from the church named Williams is commenting on it.

snipped
Meanwhile, church member Fred Williams said he believes his church and its pastor, Lane Lawless, are being wrongfully targeted.

"There's not one member there that would have anything to do with anything like that kind of situation," Williams said. "More people should come to church and hang out with him because they would find out what a fun loving kind of guy that he is," Williams said.

Williams said that the mysterious black suitcase Cantu was found in was reported stolen by another congregation member the same day Cantu disappeared.

"That suitcase was to go to the church for a rummage sale with some stuff in it and the person put it somewhere, either in the back of a car somewhere. But anyway, when she came back out the suitcase was gone," Williams said.

http://www.kcra.com/news/19121818/detail.html


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 08, 2009, 10:47:01 AM
Good morning all!

I don't know if this has been posted or not, but just now on MSNBC they reported that a member of the church informed LE that a suitcase resembling the one that Sandra was contained in was stolen from one of the vehicles on the chuch grounds.

On what date and aprox what hours ?

Also whomever did the drop off of the suitcase most likely came back by way of Tracy blvd.. See photo I posted yesterday.. Is there any Street ligt cameras or store video survalliance cameras that may show the perp on return to the area ... The farmer could probably say approx of when the suitcase landed in the holding pond.

jmho


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: N2WISHN on April 08, 2009, 10:53:02 AM
Good morning all!

I don't know if this has been posted or not, but just now on MSNBC they reported that a member of the church informed LE that a suitcase resembling the one that Sandra was contained in was stolen from one of the vehicles on the chuch grounds.

On what date and aprox what hours ?

Also whomever did the drop off of the suitcase most likely came back by way of Tracy blvd.. See photo I posted yesterday.. Is there any Street ligt cameras or store video survalliance cameras that may show the perp on return to the area ... The farmer could probably say approx of when the suitcase landed in the holding pond.

jmho



Williams said that the mysterious black suitcase Cantu was found in was reported stolen by another congregation member the same day Cantu disappeared


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 08, 2009, 10:53:18 AM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/08/sandra-cantu-c…brating-sandrasandra-cantu-case-celebrating-sandra/

For Sandra’s Family, won’t you take a moment to leave a comment of praise or condolence for the doe-eyed princess we never met, but will never forget? I will be passing this link on to Sandra’s family.
Thank-you Blink

yes thanks blink..I tried to post a comment to her family but since I don't have a youtube account, tried to create one and every single user name that I tried has been taken! gave up but I will try to be creative and think of a different name...

Hi Rob...good to see you.

morning all monkees..


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 10:54:49 AM
Thanks Heart for the articles, I will wait and see, but this suitcase being stolen from a car in the church's lot, is not sitting well with me.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 08, 2009, 10:55:12 AM
Williams said that the mysterious black suitcase Cantu was found in was reported stolen by another congregation member the same day Cantu disappeared.

"That suitcase was to go to the church for a rummage sale with some stuff in it and the person put it somewhere, either in the back of a car somewhere. But anyway, when she came back out the suitcase was gone," Williams said.



That parking lot is wide open.. There is an opportunity for the perp to be seen by anyone walking driving by or looking out there windows.. A person carries a suitcase is a visible item..jmho
Also the STUFF should show up in a garbage can or on the ground someplace.

This fellow has no idea if that is really the suitcase does he ?
jmho



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 10:56:32 AM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/08/sandra-cantu-c…brating-sandrasandra-cantu-case-celebrating-sandra/

For Sandra’s Family, won’t you take a moment to leave a comment of praise or condolence for the doe-eyed princess we never met, but will never forget? I will be passing this link on to Sandra’s family.
Thank-you Blink

yes thanks blink..I tried to post a comment to her family but since I don't have a youtube account, tried to create one and every single user name that I tried has been taken! gave up but I will try to be creative and think of a different name...

Hi Rob...good to see you.

morning all monkees..
I left a comment under Blink's article in the comment section, is that not where we are to leave comments for Sandra's family  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 08, 2009, 11:00:23 AM
What day was the suitcase reported missing?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 11:04:58 AM
What day was the suitcase reported missing?
Same day Sandra was reported missing  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 11:06:33 AM
Williams said that the mysterious black suitcase Cantu was found in was reported stolen by another congregation member the same day Cantu disappeared.

"That suitcase was to go to the church for a rummage sale with some stuff in it and the person put it somewhere, either in the back of a car somewhere. But anyway, when she came back out the suitcase was gone," Williams said.



That parking lot is wide open.. There is an opportunity for the perp to be seen by anyone walking driving by or looking out there windows.. A person carries a suitcase is a visible item..jmho
Also the STUFF should show up in a garbage can or on the ground someplace.

This fellow has no idea if that is really the suitcase does he ?
jmho


I'm going to say NO


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 08, 2009, 11:09:36 AM
So they knew when they got a call that there was a suitcase in the pond, exactly what it was.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 08, 2009, 11:09:42 AM
Williams said that the mysterious black suitcase Cantu was found in was reported stolen by another congregation member the same day Cantu disappeared.

"That suitcase was to go to the church for a rummage sale with some stuff in it and the person put it somewhere, either in the back of a car somewhere. But anyway, when she came back out the suitcase was gone," Williams said.



That parking lot is wide open.. There is an opportunity for the perp to be seen by anyone walking driving by or looking out there windows.. A person carries a suitcase is a visible item..jmho
Also the STUFF should show up in a garbage can or on the ground someplace.

This fellow has no idea if that is really the suitcase does he ?
jmho



Very good points Edward.  I would like to know who the stolen suitcase was reported to.  Did someone just "remember" it being stolen after reports of Sandra's disapearance?  Or was it reported immediately before word of Sandra being gone.  Who would have been at the church to realize it was missing....this was a Friday, correct?  Was there an activity going on at the church?  Or was someone told it had been stolen after the fact - covering for when and if it was really discovered?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 11:10:51 AM
cbs13 this morning reported that Wohler's house was searched again (last night) as well. So Wohler's name comes back again, and his place is searched again. This just must be some kind of child porn ring, what else could this all be about, I would like other thoughts, because I just can't come up with anything else.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Gypsy DD on April 08, 2009, 11:13:20 AM
I think in any missing child case, they start with the family and the people who were / are the closest, then work outwards. Last known associations, etc.
We have no idea why the Pastor was questioned or why those other vehicles were taken away. We also have no idea of any connection any of these people have to each other, if any. Toss in sixty kiddy porn fans to the mix.   
..
Can you imagine living there right now ?   

I was speculating that this could be more then one person making a kiddy porn movie, they drugged her , but realized she would still be able to ID them.

Maybe the lead on the church came from something they found on the kiddie porn sites..unbeknownst to the pastor.  I don't think the pastor is involved, but if the church property is, then they had to question him.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 11:17:43 AM
I think in any missing child case, they start with the family and the people who were / are the closest, then work outwards. Last known associations, etc.
We have no idea why the Pastor was questioned or why those other vehicles were taken away. We also have no idea of any connection any of these people have to each other, if any. Toss in sixty kiddy porn fans to the mix.   
..
Can you imagine living there right now ?   

I was speculating that this could be more then one person making a kiddy porn movie, they drugged her , but realized she would still be able to ID them.

Maybe the lead on the church came from something they found on the kiddie porn sites..unbeknownst to the pastor.  I don't think the pastor is involved, but if the church property is, then they had to question him.
That could very well be, they may have even drugged Sandra and she died from the drugs, not what they had intended to happen, thus the panic.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 08, 2009, 11:17:56 AM
What I am getting at is:  Was this reported to police?  If the suitcase was for a rummage sale, why feel the need to report it stolen?  Unless in hindsight.??  Wasn't Sandra reported missing around 8 p.m.?  When was it made public knowledge?  Was is missing before Sandra? or noticed afterward?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: N2WISHN on April 08, 2009, 11:21:42 AM
What I am getting at is:  Was this reported to police?  If the suitcase was for a rummage sale, why feel the need to report it stolen?  Unless in hindsight.??  Wasn't Sandra reported missing around 8 p.m.?  When was it made public knowledge?  Was is missing before Sandra? or noticed afterward?


Just a guess on my part, but if I were having a garage sale and a suitcase I was getting rid of was stolen, I doubt I would report it to the police. Since it wasn't really worth all that much to begin with and I would most likely give it away if didn't sell......


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 11:22:18 AM
What I am getting at is:  Was this reported to police?  If the suitcase was for a rummage sale, why feel the need to report it stolen?  Unless in hindsight.??  Wasn't Sandra reported missing around 8 p.m.?  When was it made public knowledge?  Was is missing before Sandra? or noticed afterward?
I wish I knew the answers, it would make no sense to report it, I'm wondering if there were other items inside of the suitcase, that were thrown out by the person who stole the suitcase? More items for rummage sale?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: N2WISHN on April 08, 2009, 11:29:40 AM
What I am getting at is:  Was this reported to police?  If the suitcase was for a rummage sale, why feel the need to report it stolen?  Unless in hindsight.??  Wasn't Sandra reported missing around 8 p.m.?  When was it made public knowledge?  Was is missing before Sandra? or noticed afterward?
I wish I knew the answers, it would make no sense to report it, I'm wondering if there were other items inside of the suitcase, that were thrown out by the person who stole the suitcase? More items for rummage sale?



The whole rummage sale thing has me wondering. From all reports by neighbors and others there just wasn't much activity going on at the church to begin with. Also, according to another article, Sandra and her mother had at one time attended this church.

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Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Gypsy DD on April 08, 2009, 11:34:07 AM
I was kind of imagining in my mind at a church getting ready for a rummage sale other people would be there, but would not really notice anyone removing items from a car..they would assume they were taking them into the church.  Also, the owner of the suitcase may have donated more items and was taking them into the church while the theft occurred..also more then just the suitcase may have been stolen.  If I were donating alot of items, took some in, came back out and the rest of the items were removed from my car,,I'd go back inside the church to see if someone had brought them inside for me. 

If they hadn't and it was more then the suitcase or even the suitcase..the fact is someone stole something on church property and I think even others at the church that day would have said this should be reported.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Heart on April 08, 2009, 11:38:40 AM
Williams said that the mysterious black suitcase Cantu was found in was reported stolen by another congregation member the same day Cantu disappeared.

"That suitcase was to go to the church for a rummage sale with some stuff in it and the person put it somewhere, either in the back of a car somewhere. But anyway, when she came back out the suitcase was gone," Williams said.



That parking lot is wide open.. There is an opportunity for the perp to be seen by anyone walking driving by or looking out there windows.. A person carries a suitcase is a visible item..jmho
Also the STUFF should show up in a garbage can or on the ground someplace.

This fellow has no idea if that is really the suitcase does he ?
jmho



Very good points Edward.  I would like to know who the stolen suitcase was reported to.  Did someone just "remember" it being stolen after reports of Sandra's disapearance?  Or was it reported immediately before word of Sandra being gone.  Who would have been at the church to realize it was missing....this was a Friday, correct?  Was there an activity going on at the church?  Or was someone told it had been stolen after the fact - covering for when and if it was really discovered?

If the suitcase was to be sold in a rummage sale, would one expect for stuff to be in it?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 08, 2009, 11:47:14 AM
I consider Mr. Williams comment hearsay or rumor. He should have directed the paper to whoever this person was that was the actual church member who's suitcase was stolen.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Gypsy DD on April 08, 2009, 11:48:15 AM
When I donate items I use whatever I have to put them in..meaning if I were donating a suitcase I might put other items in there to transport to the church.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Heart on April 08, 2009, 11:48:43 AM
Tracy mourns, seeks answers in girl's death

http://videos.sacbee.com/vmix_hosted_apps/p/media?id=3709489


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 11:51:39 AM
When I donate items I use whatever I have to put them in..meaning if I were donating a suitcase I might put other items in there to transport to the church.
Me too. One thing I'm also finding puzzeling is the family didn't go to the church, but now a neighbor is saying Sandra' family did.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 11:52:09 AM
cbs13 this morning reported that Wohler's house was searched again (last night) as well. So Wohler's name comes back again, and his place is searched again. This just must be some kind of child porn ring, what else could this all be about, I would like other thoughts, because I just can't come up with anything else.  ::MonkeyConfused::

You know what sticks in my mind. When the first man was arrested for having child porn on his computer and sharing it , a brief description of the movie was given. apparently it showed men wearing hoods group raping a little girl. My question was, who was the little girl and if they ever found her. Never heard, however if this is the type of movie going around Tracy, then maybe it would make sense to make another one?

Does this rake in big money for the makers of this type of film? Are they shared free or do they pay to watch?

I would have reported items missing from my car even if it was intended for a rummage sale. I wonder who it belonged to and at what time. I think that is what I would like to know.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 11:54:30 AM
cbs13 this morning reported that Wohler's house was searched again (last night) as well. So Wohler's name comes back again, and his place is searched again. This just must be some kind of child porn ring, what else could this all be about, I would like other thoughts, because I just can't come up with anything else.  ::MonkeyConfused::

You know what sticks in my mind. When the first man was arrested for having child porn on his computer and sharing it , a brief description of the movie was given. apparently it showed men wearing hoods group raping a little girl. My question was, who was the little girl and if they ever found her. Never heard, however if this is the type of movie going around Tracy, then maybe it would make sense to make another one?

Does this rake in big money for the makers of this type of film? Are they shared free or do they pay to watch?

I would have reported items missing from my car even if it was intended for a rummage sale. I wonder who it belonged to and at what time. I think that is what I would like to know.

maybe the police should question Mr Williams? I wonder if they have


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Heart on April 08, 2009, 11:57:22 AM
When I donate items I use whatever I have to put them in..meaning if I were donating a suitcase I might put other items in there to transport to the church.
Perhaps you may Gypsy DD, however at this point we do not know whether there were items in the suitcase or not.  We won't know that until the owner or someone in the know reports it. People do things differently from others. I am not saying that there were or were not items in the suitcase.  I am saying that we do not know that as fact.

So therefore the perp may or may not have discarded any contents that could possibly have been inside the suitcase.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 11:58:58 AM
cbs13 this morning reported that Wohler's house was searched again (last night) as well. So Wohler's name comes back again, and his place is searched again. This just must be some kind of child porn ring, what else could this all be about, I would like other thoughts, because I just can't come up with anything else.  ::MonkeyConfused::

You know what sticks in my mind. When the first man was arrested for having child porn on his computer and sharing it , a brief description of the movie was given. apparently it showed men wearing hoods group raping a little girl. My question was, who was the little girl and if they ever found her. Never heard, however if this is the type of movie going around Tracy, then maybe it would make sense to make another one?

Does this rake in big money for the makers of this type of film? Are they shared free or do they pay to watch?

I would have reported items missing from my car even if it was intended for a rummage sale. I wonder who it belonged to and at what time. I think that is what I would like to know.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 12:00:27 PM
cbs13 this morning reported that Wohler's house was searched again (last night) as well. So Wohler's name comes back again, and his place is searched again. This just must be some kind of child porn ring, what else could this all be about, I would like other thoughts, because I just can't come up with anything else.  ::MonkeyConfused::

You know what sticks in my mind. When the first man was arrested for having child porn on his computer and sharing it , a brief description of the movie was given. apparently it showed men wearing hoods group raping a little girl. My question was, who was the little girl and if they ever found her. Never heard, however if this is the type of movie going around Tracy, then maybe it would make sense to make another one?

Does this rake in big money for the makers of this type of film? Are they shared free or do they pay to watch?

I would have reported items missing from my car even if it was intended for a rummage sale. I wonder who it belonged to and at what time. I think that is what I would like to know.
Dear Lord, I sure hope they identified the little girl, and she is safe. This is huge money.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 12:02:14 PM
One more comment on child porn, the police have said they tagged certain movies, what if this group of perverts made their own that was untraceable by the police? Put on CD's rather then down-loadable links? They know they are being watched by police but they need their fix (sort a speak)



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 12:06:11 PM
One more comment on child porn, the police have said they tagged certain movies, what if this group of perverts made their own that was untraceable by the police? Put on CD's rather then down-loadable links? They know they are being watched by police but they need their fix (sort a speak)


Was this info on tv or an article, about the description of a movie and tagging certain movies? That is a good question that I don't know the answer to, hopefully someone will. Are you talking about, and I'm sure you are the 60 people that Tracy LE knows about. I'm wondering if some of the men in the mobile park are part of the 60.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 12:08:58 PM
cbs13 this morning reported that Wohler's house was searched again (last night) as well. So Wohler's name comes back again, and his place is searched again. This just must be some kind of child porn ring, what else could this all be about, I would like other thoughts, because I just can't come up with anything else.  ::MonkeyConfused::

You know what sticks in my mind. When the first man was arrested for having child porn on his computer and sharing it , a brief description of the movie was given. apparently it showed men wearing hoods group raping a little girl. My question was, who was the little girl and if they ever found her. Never heard, however if this is the type of movie going around Tracy, then maybe it would make sense to make another one?

Does this rake in big money for the makers of this type of film? Are they shared free or do they pay to watch?

I would have reported items missing from my car even if it was intended for a rummage sale. I wonder who it belonged to and at what time. I think that is what I would like to know.
Dear Lord, I sure hope they identified the little girl, and she is safe. This is huge money.

I know I hope she is too. I never got an answer on who it was in the film... It was beyond disturbing to hear and to also read how this person who had this movie, civil rights were being thrown around. What about that little girls rights??? Don't get me started!

So if it is huge money, do you think maybe someone took her that needed money and sold her off? She didn't have to be taken by a person who would have killed her exactly. There are a lot of drug addicts in that area, Mr Sinclair comes to mind.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 12:12:23 PM
One more comment on child porn, the police have said they tagged certain movies, what if this group of perverts made their own that was untraceable by the police? Put on CD's rather then down-loadable links? They know they are being watched by police but they need their fix (sort a speak)


Was this info on tv or an article, about the description of a movie and tagging certain movies? That is a good question that I don't know the answer to, hopefully someone will. Are you talking about, and I'm sure you are the 60 people that Tracy LE knows about. I'm wondering if some of the men in the mobile park are part of the 60.

This information was in the article regarding the first person arrested for child porn downloading and sharing. I can't recall the mans name, it was in about January. This particular man lived in South Tracy.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 12:13:45 PM
cbs13 this morning reported that Wohler's house was searched again (last night) as well. So Wohler's name comes back again, and his place is searched again. This just must be some kind of child porn ring, what else could this all be about, I would like other thoughts, because I just can't come up with anything else.  ::MonkeyConfused::

You know what sticks in my mind. When the first man was arrested for having child porn on his computer and sharing it , a brief description of the movie was given. apparently it showed men wearing hoods group raping a little girl. My question was, who was the little girl and if they ever found her. Never heard, however if this is the type of movie going around Tracy, then maybe it would make sense to make another one?

Does this rake in big money for the makers of this type of film? Are they shared free or do they pay to watch?

I would have reported items missing from my car even if it was intended for a rummage sale. I wonder who it belonged to and at what time. I think that is what I would like to know.
Dear Lord, I sure hope they identified the little girl, and she is safe. This is huge money.

I know I hope she is too. I never got an answer on who it was in the film... It was beyond disturbing to hear and to also read how this person who had this movie, civil rights were being thrown around. What about that little girls rights??? Don't get me started!

So if it is huge money, do you think maybe someone took her that needed money and sold her off? She didn't have to be taken by a person who would have killed her exactly. There are a lot of drug addicts in that area, Mr Sinclair comes to mind.

Sorry it should read.... The person who took her doesn't exactly have to be the person which killed her. Sorry I need more coffee....


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 12:22:20 PM
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Cantu Killer Search Intensifies; FBI Team Focuses On SUV
Posted: 10:09 pm PDT April 7, 2009
Updated: 7:44 am PDT April 8, 2009

TRACY, Calif. -- A forensic team including FBI agents meticulously searched Khia SUV overnight, dusting it for prints and carefully examining the interior for any clues as the hunt for the killer of eight-year-old Sandra Cantu intensified.

In an exclusive KTVU video, the forensic technicians and crime scene experts can be seen dusting and logging their findings. A Cadillac also was located nearby in the garage with a search flyer taped to its rear window.

Authorities were not disclosing who the owner of vehicles was.
Am I mistaken that Mrs Lawless was in a cadillac with her husband when the media was asking them questions?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 12:24:40 PM
Link to a story about the man arrested for having child porn. I can't find the Tracy Press article that says the men were wearing hoods. It was a little more discriptive, but maybe that is a good thing

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=54988


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Gypsy DD on April 08, 2009, 12:26:14 PM
When I donate items I use whatever I have to put them in..meaning if I were donating a suitcase I might put other items in there to transport to the church.
Perhaps you may Gypsy DD, however at this point we do not know whether there were items in the suitcase or not.  We won't know that until the owner or someone in the know reports it. People do things differently from others. I am not saying that there were or were not items in the suitcase.  I am saying that we do not know that as fact.

So therefore the perp may or may not have discarded any contents that could possibly have been inside the suitcase.

Oh, absolutely right..I agree we all do things differently.  Someone had speculated that wouldn't report it stolen and maybe other items were in it.  I was just responding that the owner may have transported other items to the church in it and that is why it was reported.  It really is just all speculatin at this point as LE has been very mum about the suitcase.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 12:29:27 PM
Link to a story about the man arrested for having child porn. I can't find the Tracy Press article that says the men were wearing hoods. It was a little more discriptive, but maybe that is a good thing

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=54988
Thanks, OMG I just have this horrible sick feeling about what Sandra went through. Also I found this and maybe someone knows if this woman is a daughter or granddaughter of the pastor.  KTVU News reported a brown suv taken .... Melissa Huckaby, her other name is Melissa Lawless.




Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Gypsy DD on April 08, 2009, 12:41:10 PM
That article was chilling in the way in which this man would have had access to so many children.  Just unbelievable.  I hope that more info comes to light on other people in this community that are downloading this porn..that puts so many children at risk.   

Strange about that car being stolen from a Lawless..hmm..maybe a relative.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 12:42:54 PM
Link to a story about the man arrested for having child porn. I can't find the Tracy Press article that says the men were wearing hoods. It was a little more discriptive, but maybe that is a good thing

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=54988
Thanks, OMG I just have this horrible sick feeling about what Sandra went through. Also I found this and maybe someone knows if this woman is a daughter or granddaughter of the pastor.  KTVU News reported a brown suv taken .... Melissa Huckaby, her other name is Melissa Lawless.




was it taken to be searched? or was it stolen?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: flossy on April 08, 2009, 12:50:15 PM
Just posting the article Tracygirl just linked us to:


TRACY, CA - The Tracy Police Department arrested a softball coach on charges of possessing child pornography.

James Spencer Hagelston, 41, was arrested at his Tom Fowler Court home Tuesday. Sergeant Tony Sheneman said detectives confiscated a computer from the home that contained pornographic movies that featured girls under the age of ten engaged in sex acts with adult men.

Sheneman said the arrest is due in large part to sophisticated technology that allows police to flag and track pornography.

"There is a group of dedicated investigators that have put together something called a tool kit that tracks specific images and videos on the internet," said Sgt. Sheneman. "We can run a check on those images and if they're being downloaded onto an IP address in Tracy we can find out where they're being downloaded."

Sheneman said investigators are concerned that children in the community may have been inappropriately approached by Hagelston.

"Mr. Hagelston's wife has a daycare that is operated out of her home," said Sgt. Sheneman. "He was also last year the coach of a 10 and under girls' softball team and is also a consultant with a company that does work with the school districts."

Theresa James lives next door to Hagelston. "I'm in shock," she said of his arrest. "It makes me so sad for his wife. She was a day care lady and we wanted our kids in the daycare."

James said the Hagelston's have three children of their own and seemed like a "normal family."

Detectives are still investigating the case. Anyone with any information is asked to call Detective Nate Cogburn with the Tracy Police Department at (209) 831-6617.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: flossy on April 08, 2009, 12:52:11 PM
Apparently, that article was posted 2 months ago.  I can't find an exact date.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 12:52:29 PM
Link to a story about the man arrested for having child porn. I can't find the Tracy Press article that says the men were wearing hoods. It was a little more discriptive, but maybe that is a good thing

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=54988
Thanks, OMG I just have this horrible sick feeling about what Sandra went through. Also I found this and maybe someone knows if this woman is a daughter or granddaughter of the pastor.  KTVU News reported a brown suv taken .... Melissa Huckaby, her other name is Melissa Lawless.




was it taken to be searched? or was it stolen?
The car was taken to be searched, sorry I wasn't clear on that.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 12:54:21 PM
Apparently, that article was posted 2 months ago.  I can't find an exact date.
I believe it was in January. Also there is a presser at 10, I thought usually at 10:30, I hope this info is correct, and I don't have a link.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: flossy on April 08, 2009, 12:58:46 PM
There's a Melissa Huckaby on Classmates.com who graduated from Tracy High school in 1998, and then I found something that said Melissa Huckaby (Lawless), but couldn't find the actual profile.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 01:04:05 PM
There's a Melissa Huckaby on Classmates.com who graduated from Tracy High school in 1998, and then I found something that said Melissa Huckaby (Lawless), but couldn't find the actual profile.
Thanks, I'm wondering if she is the mom to the five year old, who use to play with Sandra?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: sleddogs on April 08, 2009, 01:04:50 PM
Link to a story about the man arrested for having child porn. I can't find the Tracy Press article that says the men were wearing hoods. It was a little more discriptive, but maybe that is a good thing

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=54988
Thanks, OMG I just have this horrible sick feeling about what Sandra went through. Also I found this and maybe someone knows if this woman is a daughter or granddaughter of the pastor.  KTVU News reported a brown suv taken .... Melissa Huckaby, her other name is Melissa Lawless.





Veromi search

    LAWLESS, MELISSA CHANTEL (Age 27)

Associated names:

 HUCKABY, MELISSA
   Available(5)    Available    LA HABRA, CA
TRACY, CA
CYPRESS, CA
WHITTIER, CA    Possible Relatives:

LAWLESS, JUDY A (Age 49)
LAWLESS, BRIAN L (Age 47)
LAWLESS, ADAM B (Age 23)
HUCKABY, JOHN
LAWLESS, CONNIE
LAWLESS, CLIFFORD L
LAWLESS, LANE BRIAN
LAWLESS, CALEB J (Age 21)
LAWLESS, JULIANNE


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 01:06:17 PM
Apparently, that article was posted 2 months ago.  I can't find an exact date.
I believe it was in January. Also there is a presser at 10, I thought usually at 10:30, I hope this info is correct, and I don't have a link.

http://www.kcra.com/video/9292412/index.html

they are waiting


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: flossy on April 08, 2009, 01:08:22 PM
Apparently, that article was posted 2 months ago.  I can't find an exact date.
I believe it was in January. Also there is a presser at 10, I thought usually at 10:30, I hope this info is correct, and I don't have a link.

http://www.kcra.com/video/9292412/index.html

they are waiting

Thanks, Tracygirl.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 01:08:35 PM
Thank-you sleddogs and Tracygirl


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: N2WISHN on April 08, 2009, 01:10:01 PM
Apparently, that article was posted 2 months ago.  I can't find an exact date.
I believe it was in January. Also there is a presser at 10, I thought usually at 10:30, I hope this info is correct, and I don't have a link.


http://www.kcra.com/video/9292412/index.html


Looks like they're setting up for a presser anytime.......


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 01:10:36 PM
Apparently, that article was posted 2 months ago.  I can't find an exact date.
I believe it was in January. Also there is a presser at 10, I thought usually at 10:30, I hope this info is correct, and I don't have a link.


http://www.kcra.com/video/9292412/index.html


Looks like they're setting up for a presser anytime.......
Thanks  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 08, 2009, 01:13:17 PM
I hope that little Sandra did not suffer..makes me so sad to see her on that youtube and the last video of her where she is so carefree and skipping along....God I hate this....it is so unfair...
something needs to be changed and done to child murderers by our legal system...they need to be scared to do something this awful to a little child...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Rob on April 08, 2009, 01:14:36 PM
maybe this has been said - I skipped ahead. But who steals a suitcase?

It's apparent that the "stolen" case was reported "stolen" after Sandra was deceased. It's kinda apparent what happened here. Sandra murdered (God rest her soul) and suitcase used as transport to discovery locale. In my opinion.

Hi Cookie.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 01:15:29 PM
I hope that little Sandra did not suffer..makes me so sad to see her on that youtube and the last video of her where she is so carefree and skipping along....God I hate this....it is so unfair...
something needs to be changed and done to child murderers by our legal system...they need to be scared to do something this awful to a little child...
I agree, but I think the urge is much stronger then the fear of severe punishment.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 08, 2009, 01:19:10 PM
maybe this has been said - I skipped ahead. But who steals a suitcase?

It's apparent that the "stolen" case was reported "stolen" after Sandra was deceased. It's kinda apparent what happened here. Sandra murdered (God rest her soul) and suitcase used as transport to discovery locale. In my opinion.

Hi Cookie.

Hey Rob....yes...this makes sense....
do we know for sure that this IS the suitcase that was stolen?

Fox News is going to have the latest in a few minutes..says latest results of the autopsy...wonder if it will tell us anything yet....
poor baby....


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 08, 2009, 01:23:24 PM
I hope that little Sandra did not suffer..makes me so sad to see her on that youtube and the last video of her where she is so carefree and skipping along....God I hate this....it is so unfair...
something needs to be changed and done to child murderers by our legal system...they need to be scared to do something this awful to a little child...
I agree, but I think the urge is much stronger then the fear of severe punishment.

must be...therefore, we need to cut off their nut sacks..<<<<sorry if too blunt.....and then throw their asses in jail, never to see the light of day...I have no sympathy for these paedos....I don't care if they were abused themselves and that is why they do that...there are a lot of people who were abused and they don't do to a child what was done to them...they make their own choices in life....if they choose to abuse a child, then they must pay the ultimate price,with their own life being over as far as I am concerned...And, they don't have to kill these kids...their urges turn them into murderers as well as abusers I guess...Sick f@ck$...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Searching on April 08, 2009, 01:24:18 PM
I have some photos I snagged from umm somewhere.. hehe .. I just do no know how to post them...
missed the presser,was on the phone taking care of arrangements..any news?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 01:24:53 PM
I hope that little Sandra did not suffer..makes me so sad to see her on that youtube and the last video of her where she is so carefree and skipping along....God I hate this....it is so unfair...
something needs to be changed and done to child murderers by our legal system...they need to be scared to do something this awful to a little child...
I agree, but I think the urge is much stronger then the fear of severe punishment.

must be...therefore, we need to cut off their nut sacks..<<<<sorry if too blunt.....and then throw their asses in jail, never to see the light of day...I have no sympathy for these paedos....I don't care if they were abused themselves and that is why they do that...there are a lot of people who were abused and they don't do to a child what was done to them...they make their own choices in life....if they choose to abuse a child, then they must pay the ultimate price,with their own life being over as far as I am concerned...And, they don't have to kill these kids...their urges turn them into murderers as well as abusers I guess...Sick f@ck$...
I completely agree.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Rob on April 08, 2009, 01:24:55 PM
I hope that little Sandra did not suffer..makes me so sad to see her on that youtube and the last video of her where she is so carefree and skipping along....God I hate this....it is so unfair...
something needs to be changed and done to child murderers by our legal system...they need to be scared to do something this awful to a little child...
I agree, but I think the urge is much stronger then the fear of severe punishment.

must be...therefore, we need to cut off their nut sacks..<<<<sorry if too blunt.....and then throw their asses in jail, never to see the light of day...I have no sympathy for these paedos....I don't care if they were abused themselves and that is why they do that...there are a lot of people who were abused and they don't do to a child what was done to them...they make their own choices in life....if they choose to abuse a child, then they must pay the ultimate price,with their own life being over as far as I am concerned...And, they don't have to kill these kids...their urges turn them into murderers as well as abusers I guess...Sick f@ck$...

I'm for immediate execution after conviction with DNA confirmation. No appeal.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Searching on April 08, 2009, 01:25:46 PM
I hope that little Sandra did not suffer..makes me so sad to see her on that youtube and the last video of her where she is so carefree and skipping along....God I hate this....it is so unfair...
something needs to be changed and done to child murderers by our legal system...they need to be scared to do something this awful to a little child...
I agree, but I think the urge is much stronger then the fear of severe punishment.

must be...therefore, we need to cut off their nut sacks..<<<<sorry if too blunt.....and then throw their asses in jail, never to see the light of day...I have no sympathy for these paedos....I don't care if they were abused themselves and that is why they do that...there are a lot of people who were abused and they don't do to a child what was done to them...they make their own choices in life....if they choose to abuse a child, then they must pay the ultimate price,with their own life being over as far as I am concerned...And, they don't have to kill these kids...their urges turn them into murderers as well as abusers I guess...Sick f@ck$...

Cut off?? how bout cut open,fill with a mixture of vinegar,rock salt and alcohol and stitch shut??


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: flossy on April 08, 2009, 01:27:12 PM
I'm surprised they can't confirm or deny the report of the rummage sale.  I'd think they would have established that by now, but maybe he's just not offering that info to the press. 

I'm glad they're playing it safe on so many fronts, though.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 08, 2009, 01:28:15 PM
Searching...^^^^^  ::MonkeyDance:: that works for me!!

Rob, I agree...immediate execution ....no appeals...
they don't give their victims appeals, why should we give them any consideration?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 08, 2009, 01:29:58 PM
I hope that little Sandra did not suffer..makes me so sad to see her on that youtube and the last video of her where she is so carefree and skipping along....God I hate this....it is so unfair...
something needs to be changed and done to child murderers by our legal system...they need to be scared to do something this awful to a little child...
I agree, but I think the urge is much stronger then the fear of severe punishment.

must be...therefore, we need to cut off their nut sacks..<<<<sorry if too blunt.....and then throw their asses in jail, never to see the light of day...I have no sympathy for these paedos....I don't care if they were abused themselves and that is why they do that...there are a lot of people who were abused and they don't do to a child what was done to them...they make their own choices in life....if they choose to abuse a child, then they must pay the ultimate price,with their own life being over as far as I am concerned...And, they don't have to kill these kids...their urges turn them into murderers as well as abusers I guess...Sick f@ck$...

I'm for immediate execution after conviction with DNA confirmation. No appeal.

I vote for your idea Rob!  But, can we cut off their nut sacks just for the hell of it?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 08, 2009, 01:35:12 PM
Was there anything new at the press conference?  I am at work, and don't have audio - and I can't read lips!!!! ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 01:35:44 PM
I have some photos I snagged from umm somewhere.. hehe .. I just do no know how to post them...
missed the presser,was on the phone taking care of arrangements..any news?
I don't know how to post pics either, but would like to see them. Hope you are taking care of yourself.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 01:36:18 PM
Link to a story about the man arrested for having child porn. I can't find the Tracy Press article that says the men were wearing hoods. It was a little more discriptive, but maybe that is a good thing

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=54988
Thanks, OMG I just have this horrible sick feeling about what Sandra went through. Also I found this and maybe someone knows if this woman is a daughter or granddaughter of the pastor.  KTVU News reported a brown suv taken .... Melissa Huckaby, her other name is Melissa Lawless.





Veromi search

    LAWLESS, MELISSA CHANTEL (Age 27)

Associated names:

 HUCKABY, MELISSA
   Available(5)    Available    LA HABRA, CA
TRACY, CA
CYPRESS, CA
WHITTIER, CA    Possible Relatives:

LAWLESS, JUDY A (Age 49)
LAWLESS, BRIAN L (Age 47)
LAWLESS, ADAM B (Age 23)
HUCKABY, JOHN
LAWLESS, CONNIE
LAWLESS, CLIFFORD L
LAWLESS, LANE BRIAN
LAWLESS, CALEB J (Age 21)
LAWLESS, JULIANNE

who is she married too?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 01:36:59 PM
Was there anything new at the press conference?  I am at work, and don't have audio - and I can't read lips!!!! ::MonkeyWaa::
I missed part of it, but nothing really new, but I'm glad that LE is being carefull with what they are saying.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 08, 2009, 01:41:18 PM
Was there anything new at the press conference?  I am at work, and don't have audio - and I can't read lips!!!! ::MonkeyWaa::
I missed part of it, but nothing really new, but I'm glad that LE is being carefull with what they are saying.

Thank you no rose.  I think LE are doing well keeping info under wraps for now.  I sure would like to know, but I want Sandra's killer convicted much worse.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 08, 2009, 01:42:47 PM
• focusing on NO SPECIFIC person at this time.
• looking to identify killer or killers
• has heard SPECULATION about a stolen suitcase, but they have NO REPORT of stolen luggage.
• can't reveal how luggage got to the pond.
• Tracy Police have a liason with the family all day (not evening)
• No plans at this time for any Search Warrants today.
• Police are NOT done interviewing anyone
• All search warrants previously issued are sealed, any new search warrants will be sealed.

Sheneman clarified that he has used both "people" and "person" when referring to whoever did this and it does not indicate whether they think it was one or more.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Searching on April 08, 2009, 01:44:22 PM
I have some photos I snagged from umm somewhere.. hehe .. I just do no know how to post them...
missed the presser,was on the phone taking care of arrangements..any news?
I don't know how to post pics either, but would like to see them. Hope you are taking care of yourself.

I finally managed to eat last night and have gotten a couple hours sleep. Hoping to have his service on Monday,but depends on the death certificate and cremation. There was a viewing this a.m for family who was out of state. Thank you for thinking of me and again for the kind words.They really have helped. He was a great Dad and a Great Grandfather so I am sure he is up there taking care of Caylee and Sandra as well as any other children that need him.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 08, 2009, 01:46:26 PM
cbs13 this morning reported that Wohler's house was searched again (last night) as well. So Wohler's name comes back again, and his place is searched again. This just must be some kind of child porn ring, what else could this all be about, I would like other thoughts, because I just can't come up with anything else.  ::MonkeyConfused::

You know what sticks in my mind. When the first man was arrested for having child porn on his computer and sharing it , a brief description of the movie was given. apparently it showed men wearing hoods group raping a little girl. My question was, who was the little girl and if they ever found her. Never heard, however if this is the type of movie going around Tracy, then maybe it would make sense to make another one?

Does this rake in big money for the makers of this type of film? Are they shared free or do they pay to watch?

I would have reported items missing from my car even if it was intended for a rummage sale. I wonder who it belonged to and at what time. I think that is what I would like to know.

This is the type of movie was mentioned in the Natalee Holloway case as possibly being made by a group of elite idiots that reside on the rock called Aruba.
 Apparently this is world wide behavior. Sick stuff. But it appears to be some kind of organized group. Groups like this that wear medieval cloth and hoods gather for rituals relative to satanist beliefs and one such group gathers every year very close to where Polly Klass was taken.. and very rich and well known and powerful people go to that event.. Every year.
Not saying they attack children but that they wear and practice hooded rituals.. They say They simulate a human sacrifice at the above mentioned event.. I have seen a video of this.. It is said to be an act.
As for children who have been attacked...
I have never seen a victim of a child porn ring interviewed and you would think once they become an adult WE would be hearing from one or more.. People do not stay little children forever.. So I question these types of reports because we the public have no knowledge of this behavior as being real. If authorities do not want these people interviewed, they are not helping all of us to warn our kids..
The mother of Johnny Gosh gives us a frightening glimpse into this world with her photos of her sons abduction on her web site and she is like one soldier fighting alone in the world looking for answers in her sons disappearance.. She claims he is victim of a world wide child porn ring, He has not been found.. The photos are hair raising and hooded characters are in them. This is my only indicator that this behavior does in fact exist.

 Tracygirl I have 10 years of searching for lost people and usually stop once the person is found, my first search was for a little girl named Christina Williams in my area and although she was found the murderer has never been found, So in a case like this.. I have to stay with it... You people are right in my back yard and this is a terrible situation. I am positive that the F.B.I. and local LE will find this culprit.
 Amber Dubois is also a victim of some sort in Escandido, although I am not sure what kind of victim she is.. We look for a lot of people and focus in the area of our nation in which I live.
This one has been found in a strange way in my opinion, But I am positive LE will not rest until this culprit is brought to justice. They have a good handle on the situation, You have some very good police working this case.
jmho


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 08, 2009, 01:48:56 PM
I have some photos I snagged from umm somewhere.. hehe .. I just do no know how to post them...
missed the presser,was on the phone taking care of arrangements..any news?
I don't know how to post pics either, but would like to see them. Hope you are taking care of yourself.

I finally managed to eat last night and have gotten a couple hours sleep. Hoping to have his service on Monday,but depends on the death certificate and cremation. There was a viewing this a.m for family who was out of state. Thank you for thinking of me and again for the kind words.They really have helped. He was a great Dad and a Great Grandfather so I am sure he is up there taking care of Caylee and Sandra as well as any other children that need him.

that is what I thought Searching...bless his heart for being a good dad and grand father....he will be missed...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 01:50:36 PM
• focusing on NO SPECIFIC person at this time.
• looking to identify killer or killers
• has heard SPECULATION about a stolen suitcase, but they have NO REPORT of stolen luggage.
• can't reveal how luggage got to the pond.
• Tracy Police have a liason with the family all day (not evening)
• No plans at this time for any Search Warrants today.
• Police are NOT done interviewing anyone
• All search warrants previously issued are sealed, any new search warrants will be sealed.

Sheneman clarified that he has used both "people" and "person" when referring to whoever did this and it does not indicate whether they think it was one or more.
Thanks Pink Angel  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 08, 2009, 02:01:45 PM
Prayers for comfort for Searching.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 02:04:59 PM
cbs13 this morning reported that Wohler's house was searched again (last night) as well. So Wohler's name comes back again, and his place is searched again. This just must be some kind of child porn ring, what else could this all be about, I would like other thoughts, because I just can't come up with anything else.  ::MonkeyConfused::

You know what sticks in my mind. When the first man was arrested for having child porn on his computer and sharing it , a brief description of the movie was given. apparently it showed men wearing hoods group raping a little girl. My question was, who was the little girl and if they ever found her. Never heard, however if this is the type of movie going around Tracy, then maybe it would make sense to make another one?

Does this rake in big money for the makers of this type of film? Are they shared free or do they pay to watch?

I would have reported items missing from my car even if it was intended for a rummage sale. I wonder who it belonged to and at what time. I think that is what I would like to know.

This is the type of movie was mentioned in the Natalee Holloway case as possibly being made by a group of elite idiots that reside on the rock called Aruba.
 Apparently this is world wide behavior. Sick stuff. But it appears to be some kind of organized group. Groups like this that wear medieval cloth and hoods gather for rituals relative to satanist beliefs and one such group gathers every year very close to where Polly Klass was taken.. and very rich and well known and powerful people go to that event.. Every year.
Not saying they attack children but that they wear and practice hooded rituals.. They say They simulate a human sacrifice at the above mentioned event.. I have seen a video of this.. It is said to be an act.
As for children who have been attacked...
I have never seen a victim of a child porn ring interviewed and you would think once they become an adult WE would be hearing from one or more.. People do not stay little children forever.. So I question these types of reports because we the public have no knowledge of this behavior as being real. If authorities do not want these people interviewed, they are not helping all of us to warn our kids..
The mother of Johnny Gosh gives us a frightening glimpse into this world with her photos of her sons abduction on her web site and she is like one soldier fighting alone in the world looking for answers in her sons disappearance.. She claims he is victim of a world wide child porn ring, He has not been found.. The photos are hair raising and hooded characters are in them. This is my only indicator that this behavior does in fact exist.

 Tracygirl I have 10 years of searching for lost people and usually stop once the person is found, my first search was for a little girl named Christina Williams in my area and although she was found the murderer has never been found, So in a case like this.. I have to stay with it... You people are right in my back yard and this is a terrible situation. I am positive that the F.B.I. and local LE will find this culprit.
 Amber Dubois is also a victim of some sort in Escandido, although I am not sure what kind of victim she is.. We look for a lot of people and focus in the area of our nation in which I live.
This one has been found in a strange way in my opinion, But I am positive LE will not rest until this culprit is brought to justice. They have a good handle on the situation, You have some very good police working this case.
jmho

OMG I did  a search and saw the pictures, oh dear god that poor boy.....I cannot breath right now.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 08, 2009, 02:06:01 PM
Fox news hasn't had anything that I have heard...were supposed to but they are talking about the ship that was hijacked by pirates...the blurb that Fox did say is that they would be talking about the latest results from her autopsy....did not I assume? were reporting that the cause of death....etc...















Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Searching on April 08, 2009, 02:07:06 PM
trying to post photos...If already seen them,let me know


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 02:07:51 PM
Edward I appreciate your hard work and insight, thank-you.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 08, 2009, 02:09:28 PM
I don't know how I missed the presser.  Must have been a real quickie!


Child porn rings sometimes sell their movies over the internet.  Also photos.  For lots of money.  This must be what has been tagged, internet traffic.

And sometimes they "sell" them for trade of other equal vids or photos.  So it can be for money or it can be to get more underage porn.

But a man here recently went to jail for six years for having underage porn.  So why are these people still free?  I don't understand.  Perhaps arresting sixty people is too much for this small LE on top of this tragedy with Sandra.  But I do hope they are taking name for the kicking later to happen.

And it is my opinion from following these tragedies for a few years now that when they are slow and methodical and doing it by the book, dotting every "i" and crossing every "t" and appear in no hurry whatsoever, well, that usually means they have their man.  Just slowly watching and preparing and doing it right.  This perp may well get the death penalty for this crime and they don't want anything to come up on appeal because of some flub they did.

They are being slow but sure.  I am encouraged for justice in this case.

It's not much I know.  But after the child is dead, it is about all that is left to have for her and her family.  No, it doesn't bring her back but it does say her life was very important and no one had this right and that is worth something even if it won't bring her back. 

I hope they are going slowly because they are preparing a death penalty case.  I think it would qualify because of her young age.  And they have their man in mind or they would be scurrying about more and would be more frantic, etc.  They are much too calm not to know.

JMO.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 02:11:48 PM
Tracygirl I also went to look up info on Johnny, I'm speechless. That poor family, how do they survive?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 02:13:16 PM
I don't know how I missed the presser.  Must have been a real quickie!


Child porn rings sometimes sell their movies over the internet.  Also photos.  For lots of money.  This must be what has been tagged, internet traffic.

And sometimes they "sell" them for trade of other equal vids or photos.  So it can be for money or it can be to get more underage porn.

But a man here recently went to jail for six years for having underage porn.  So why are these people still free?  I don't understand.  Perhaps arresting sixty people is too much for this small LE on top of this tragedy with Sandra.  But I do hope they are taking name for the kicking later to happen.

And it is my opinion from following these tragedies for a few years now that when they are slow and methodical and doing it by the book, dotting every "i" and crossing every "t" and appear in no hurry whatsoever, well, that usually means they have their man.  Just slowly watching and preparing and doing it right.  This perp may well get the death penalty for this crime and they don't want anything to come up on appeal because of some flub they did.

They are being slow but sure.  I am encouraged for justice in this case.

It's not much I know.  But after the child is dead, it is about all that is left to have for her and her family.  No, it doesn't bring her back but it does say her life was very important and no one had this right and that is worth something even if it won't bring her back. 

I hope they are going slowly because they are preparing a death penalty case.  I think it would qualify because of her young age.  And they have their man in mind or they would be scurrying about more and would be more frantic, etc.  They are much too calm not to know.

JMO.
I think you are right, I also believe there will be justice.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Searching on April 08, 2009, 02:13:47 PM
Prayers for comfort for Searching.



Thank you Anna.. good to see you..


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Searching on April 08, 2009, 02:15:10 PM
pic..


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 08, 2009, 02:15:20 PM
Detectives trying to unravel a murder mystery that left a little girl dead in a suitcase at the bottom of a pond said they haven't yet found the weapon used to kill the 8-year-old and can't say for sure where the luggage came from.

Tracy Police Sgt. Tony Sheneman told reporters Wednesday that investigators haven't recovered the instrument used to murder Sandra Cantu, but said her death is being classified as a homicide.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,513244,00.html


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Searching on April 08, 2009, 02:16:09 PM
photo.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Searching on April 08, 2009, 02:18:00 PM
photo. This is the pond/bag....


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 02:18:25 PM
Tracygirl I also went to look up info on Johnny, I'm speechless. That poor family, how do they survive?

I have no idea, I would suppose the mom just has such a determination to someday see her child again. ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Searching on April 08, 2009, 02:19:57 PM
was not sure if you monkeys had already seen those since I have been away..so snagged them when I seen them.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 02:21:41 PM
Detectives trying to unravel a murder mystery that left a little girl dead in a suitcase at the bottom of a pond said they haven't yet found the weapon used to kill the 8-year-old and can't say for sure where the luggage came from.

Tracy Police Sgt. Tony Sheneman told reporters Wednesday that investigators haven't recovered the instrument used to murder Sandra Cantu, but said her death is being classified as a homicide.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,513244,00.html
Thanks, they are looking for a weapon or instrument, very interesting. In one of the articles, can't remember which one, they took a bamboo shade from one of the mobile homes, maybe the cord from that was missing?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 02:22:17 PM
was not sure if you monkeys had already seen those since I have been away..so snagged them when I seen them.
Thanks Searching  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A's Fever on April 08, 2009, 02:38:22 PM
cbs13 this morning reported that Wohler's house was searched again (last night) as well. So Wohler's name comes back again, and his place is searched again. This just must be some kind of child porn ring, what else could this all be about, I would like other thoughts, because I just can't come up with anything else.  ::MonkeyConfused::

You know what sticks in my mind. When the first man was arrested for having child porn on his computer and sharing it , a brief description of the movie was given. apparently it showed men wearing hoods group raping a little girl. My question was, who was the little girl and if they ever found her. Never heard, however if this is the type of movie going around Tracy, then maybe it would make sense to make another one?

Does this rake in big money for the makers of this type of film? Are they shared free or do they pay to watch?

I would have reported items missing from my car even if it was intended for a rummage sale. I wonder who it belonged to and at what time. I think that is what I would like to know.

This is the type of movie was mentioned in the Natalee Holloway case as possibly being made by a group of elite idiots that reside on the rock called Aruba.
 Apparently this is world wide behavior. Sick stuff. But it appears to be some kind of organized group. Groups like this that wear medieval cloth and hoods gather for rituals relative to satanist beliefs and one such group gathers every year very close to where Polly Klass was taken.. and very rich and well known and powerful people go to that event.. Every year.
Not saying they attack children but that they wear and practice hooded rituals.. They say They simulate a human sacrifice at the above mentioned event.. I have seen a video of this.. It is said to be an act.
As for children who have been attacked...
I have never seen a victim of a child porn ring interviewed and you would think once they become an adult WE would be hearing from one or more.. People do not stay little children forever.. So I question these types of reports because we the public have no knowledge of this behavior as being real. If authorities do not want these people interviewed, they are not helping all of us to warn our kids..
The mother of Johnny Gosh gives us a frightening glimpse into this world with her photos of her sons abduction on her web site and she is like one soldier fighting alone in the world looking for answers in her sons disappearance.. She claims he is victim of a world wide child porn ring, He has not been found.. The photos are hair raising and hooded characters are in them. This is my only indicator that this behavior does in fact exist.

 Tracygirl I have 10 years of searching for lost people and usually stop once the person is found, my first search was for a little girl named Christina Williams in my area and although she was found the murderer has never been found, So in a case like this.. I have to stay with it... You people are right in my back yard and this is a terrible situation. I am positive that the F.B.I. and local LE will find this culprit.
 Amber Dubois is also a victim of some sort in Escandido, although I am not sure what kind of victim she is.. We look for a lot of people and focus in the area of our nation in which I live.
This one has been found in a strange way in my opinion, But I am positive LE will not rest until this culprit is brought to justice. They have a good handle on the situation, You have some very good police working this case.
jmho


Edward I still remember the Christina Williams case, if you are referring to the girl, who disappeared while walking her dog by Fort Ord.  Her remains were found but the case was never solved IIRC.  There are a number of cases here in Nor Cal that remain unsolved.  Michaela Garecht, Ilene Mishelhoff, Jenny Lee (or Lin) all come to mind . . .


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Searching on April 08, 2009, 02:40:37 PM
was not sure if you monkeys had already seen those since I have been away..so snagged them when I seen them.
Thanks Searching  ::MonkeyWink::

You are welcome. Sad seeing that bag though. Poor baby girl.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 02:40:51 PM
Detectives trying to unravel a murder mystery that left a little girl dead in a suitcase at the bottom of a pond said they haven't yet found the weapon used to kill the 8-year-old and can't say for sure where the luggage came from.

Tracy Police Sgt. Tony Sheneman told reporters Wednesday that investigators haven't recovered the instrument used to murder Sandra Cantu, but said her death is being classified as a homicide.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,513244,00.html
Thanks, they are looking for a weapon or instrument, very interesting. In one of the articles, can't remember which one, they took a bamboo shade from one of the mobile homes, maybe the cord from that was missing?

http://www.kcra.com/news/19121818/detail.html#

The story talks about the blinds being taken from a home in the MHP.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 08, 2009, 02:52:46 PM
You have a good memory A's
Ileane's parents had a write up not so long ago in the S.F. Chronicle ..another sad case..

There are many across the nation who have not been found..

As we write Gloria is back in the Mohave desert looking for her daughter April Beth Pitzer
she has some professional cave searchers with her and there has been some progress in her case in recent weeks.. Holding my breath that April will be found soon.
Never the less Gloria has stood up as a great help and assistance to other families of the missing. I think we will see more of Gloria in the future doing Gods work of help and support.

I know it sounds odd.. But Sandra's parents know.. That in itself is a good thing. As not knowing eats at a families soul.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: A's Fever on April 08, 2009, 02:54:02 PM
You have a good memory A's
Ileane's parents had a write up not so long ago in the S.F. Chronicle ..another sad case..

There are many across the nation who have not been found..

As we write Gloria is back in the Mohave desert looking for her daughter April Beth Pitzer
she has some professional cave searchers with her and there has been some progress in her case in recent weeks.. Holding my breath that April will be found soon.
Never the less Gloria has stood up as a great help and assistance to other families of the missing. I think we will see more of Gloria in the future doing Gods work of help and support.

I know it sounds odd.. But Sandra's parents know.. That in itself is a good thing. As not knowing eats at a families soul.

I agree, they need to know, and they need to bury.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 02:56:09 PM
cbs13 this morning reported that Wohler's house was searched again (last night) as well. So Wohler's name comes back again, and his place is searched again. This just must be some kind of child porn ring, what else could this all be about, I would like other thoughts, because I just can't come up with anything else.  ::MonkeyConfused::

You know what sticks in my mind. When the first man was arrested for having child porn on his computer and sharing it , a brief description of the movie was given. apparently it showed men wearing hoods group raping a little girl. My question was, who was the little girl and if they ever found her. Never heard, however if this is the type of movie going around Tracy, then maybe it would make sense to make another one?

Does this rake in big money for the makers of this type of film? Are they shared free or do they pay to watch?

I would have reported items missing from my car even if it was intended for a rummage sale. I wonder who it belonged to and at what time. I think that is what I would like to know.

This is the type of movie was mentioned in the Natalee Holloway case as possibly being made by a group of elite idiots that reside on the rock called Aruba.
 Apparently this is world wide behavior. Sick stuff. But it appears to be some kind of organized group. Groups like this that wear medieval cloth and hoods gather for rituals relative to satanist beliefs and one such group gathers every year very close to where Polly Klass was taken.. and very rich and well known and powerful people go to that event.. Every year.
Not saying they attack children but that they wear and practice hooded rituals.. They say They simulate a human sacrifice at the above mentioned event.. I have seen a video of this.. It is said to be an act.
As for children who have been attacked...
I have never seen a victim of a child porn ring interviewed and you would think once they become an adult WE would be hearing from one or more.. People do not stay little children forever.. So I question these types of reports because we the public have no knowledge of this behavior as being real. If authorities do not want these people interviewed, they are not helping all of us to warn our kids..
The mother of Johnny Gosh gives us a frightening glimpse into this world with her photos of her sons abduction on her web site and she is like one soldier fighting alone in the world looking for answers in her sons disappearance.. She claims he is victim of a world wide child porn ring, He has not been found.. The photos are hair raising and hooded characters are in them. This is my only indicator that this behavior does in fact exist.

 Tracygirl I have 10 years of searching for lost people and usually stop once the person is found, my first search was for a little girl named Christina Williams in my area and although she was found the murderer has never been found, So in a case like this.. I have to stay with it... You people are right in my back yard and this is a terrible situation. I am positive that the F.B.I. and local LE will find this culprit.
 Amber Dubois is also a victim of some sort in Escandido, although I am not sure what kind of victim she is.. We look for a lot of people and focus in the area of our nation in which I live.
This one has been found in a strange way in my opinion, But I am positive LE will not rest until this culprit is brought to justice. They have a good handle on the situation, You have some very good police working this case.
jmho


Edward I still remember the Christina Williams case, if you are referring to the girl, who disappeared while walking her dog by Fort Ord.  Her remains were found but the case was never solved IIRC.  There are a number of cases here in Nor Cal that remain unsolved.  Michaela Garecht, Ilene Mishelhoff, Jenny Lee (or Lin) all come to mind . . .

I hadn't heard of either of the girls mentioned, poor things.... I am from southern california orignially. I think the 3 cases which disturbed me the most had been solved. Anthony Martinez, Denise Hubert, Samantha Runnion  (sp?)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 08, 2009, 03:05:17 PM
Detectives trying to unravel a murder mystery that left a little girl dead in a suitcase at the bottom of a pond said they haven't yet found the weapon used to kill the 8-year-old and can't say for sure where the luggage came from.

Tracy Police Sgt. Tony Sheneman told reporters Wednesday that investigators haven't recovered the instrument used to murder Sandra Cantu, but said her death is being classified as a homicide.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,513244,00.html
Thanks, they are looking for a weapon or instrument, very interesting. In one of the articles, can't remember which one, they took a bamboo shade from one of the mobile homes, maybe the cord from that was missing?

http://www.kcra.com/news/19121818/detail.html#

The story talks about the blinds being taken from a home in the MHP.

Blinds taken in back of FBI vehicle:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/BLINDSTAKEN.jpg)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: NCSunny on April 08, 2009, 03:16:29 PM
photo. This is the pond/bag....


  Searching, TY for sharing the photos, I missed a lot of the coverage.

I also want you to know that you & your family are in my thoughts. I think your Dad was blessed having such a thoughtful daughter, and am sure he will be missed.

Been so busy & upset over the finding of Sandra that I haven't felt like posting. I still cannot find words to say how I feel, sorry. I am just sick.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Searching on April 08, 2009, 03:29:08 PM
photo. This is the pond/bag....


  Searching, TY for sharing the photos, I missed a lot of the coverage.

I also want you to know that you & your family are in my thoughts. I think your Dad was blessed having such a thoughtful daughter, and am sure he will be missed.

Been so busy & upset over the finding of Sandra that I haven't felt like posting. I still cannot find words to say how I feel, sorry. I am just sick.


SCSunny, thank you. I know how you feel. I am sick as well. I came home from taking care of funeral home and all to find they had found Sandra's body.. I could only hang my head and shake it..it was like a bad dream that just will not stop...I feel so bad for her family,they must be going thru he11


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 03:35:24 PM
Detectives trying to unravel a murder mystery that left a little girl dead in a suitcase at the bottom of a pond said they haven't yet found the weapon used to kill the 8-year-old and can't say for sure where the luggage came from.

Tracy Police Sgt. Tony Sheneman told reporters Wednesday that investigators haven't recovered the instrument used to murder Sandra Cantu, but said her death is being classified as a homicide.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,513244,00.html
Thanks, they are looking for a weapon or instrument, very interesting. In one of the articles, can't remember which one, they took a bamboo shade from one of the mobile homes, maybe the cord from that was missing?

http://www.kcra.com/news/19121818/detail.html#

The story talks about the blinds being taken from a home in the MHP.
Thank-you, just a guess on my part that the cord was used, otherwise I'm not sure why they would take those blinds.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 03:36:55 PM
Thank-you for posting the picture of the blind.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: k9ohana on April 08, 2009, 03:40:28 PM
You guys/gals are all so amazing. I live out in Modesto, CA (45 min from Tracy) and on the 28th of March we went to volunteer in any way we could to help bring Sandra home. We walked for hours knocking on doors, delivering fliers, spreading the word.
The 28th was also the day I discovered this forum and all of you wonderful Monkeys.
Our family became very invested in Sandra and bringing her home safely, just as everyone else who saw her beautiful smiling face did.
The news shook us all to our core to say the very least.
You monkeys are amazing, the amount of heart you poor into all of this, for all of these children and the people they leave behind is nothing short of awe inspiring.




Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: MuffyBee on April 08, 2009, 03:42:56 PM
Hello and welcome to Scared Monkeys k9ohana  ::MonkeyDance::

(http://bestsmileys.com/welcome/4.gif)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 08, 2009, 03:44:43 PM
You guys/gals are all so amazing. I live out in Modesto, CA (45 min from Tracy) and on the 28th of March we went to volunteer in any way we could to help bring Sandra home. We walked for hours knocking on doors, delivering fliers, spreading the word.
The 28th was also the day I discovered this forum and all of you wonderful Monkeys.
Our family became very invested in Sandra and bringing her home safely, just as everyone else who saw her beautiful smiling face did.
The news shook us all to our core to say the very least.
You monkeys are amazing, the amount of heart you poor into all of this, for all of these children and the people they leave behind is nothing short of awe inspiring.




Welcome to SM k9!

We need to find whoever did this to her. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 08, 2009, 03:46:28 PM
Welcome to the cage k9ohana!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: k9ohana on April 08, 2009, 03:46:32 PM
Thanks much for the welcome and I could not agree more. That is why the back window on my car reads: "Justice for Sandra"


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 03:50:32 PM
You guys/gals are all so amazing. I live out in Modesto, CA (45 min from Tracy) and on the 28th of March we went to volunteer in any way we could to help bring Sandra home. We walked for hours knocking on doors, delivering fliers, spreading the word.
The 28th was also the day I discovered this forum and all of you wonderful Monkeys.
Our family became very invested in Sandra and bringing her home safely, just as everyone else who saw her beautiful smiling face did.
The news shook us all to our core to say the very least.
You monkeys are amazing, the amount of heart you poor into all of this, for all of these children and the people they leave behind is nothing short of awe inspiring.



WELCOME  And thank you for all that you did for helping to find Sandra.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 08, 2009, 04:11:42 PM


He downplayed speculations that the suitcase that held Sandra’s body belonged to the family of Clifford Lane Lawless, 77, whose church police searched on Tuesday.

“Anything I say on that would be speculation at this point,” he said.

Several rumors associated with the piece of black luggage have spread among residents of Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, where little Sandra lived. Some residents have said that the pastor’s wife, Connie Lawless, or her daughter, Joni, left the rolling suitcase on their home’s driveway for a few minutes when someone took it.

No suitcase was reported missing to police, Sheneman said.





http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2267674-Still+no+suspects+named&widget=push&article-Still%20no%20suspects%20named%20=&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

So the rumor is the "she" with the rummage sale suitcase is the pastor's wife or daughter. Surprise, surprise.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: mizjay on April 08, 2009, 04:16:52 PM
You have a good memory A's
Ileane's parents had a write up not so long ago in the S.F. Chronicle ..another sad case..

There are many across the nation who have not been found..

As we write Gloria is back in the Mohave desert looking for her daughter April Beth Pitzer
she has some professional cave searchers with her and there has been some progress in her case in recent weeks.. Holding my breath that April will be found soon.
Never the less Gloria has stood up as a great help and assistance to other families of the missing. I think we will see more of Gloria in the future doing Gods work of help and support.

I know it sounds odd.. But Sandra's parents know.. That in itself is a good thing. As not knowing eats at a families soul.

  I agree that even though it's devastating, Sandra's family can begin to grieve their loss. Not knowing would be an agony that built upon itself. Terrible thoughts would crowd your mind every single minute I'm sure.

Also wanted to comment on the Johnny Gosch case. I'm stunned to my core. Everyday I learn something new here. It's going to be a lot more reading about this, but I can't let it go. Unbelievable what's able to happen when corruption rules.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 04:31:20 PM


He downplayed speculations that the suitcase that held Sandra’s body belonged to the family of Clifford Lane Lawless, 77, whose church police searched on Tuesday.

“Anything I say on that would be speculation at this point,” he said.

Several rumors associated with the piece of black luggage have spread among residents of Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, where little Sandra lived. Some residents have said that the pastor’s wife, Connie Lawless, or her daughter, Joni, left the rolling suitcase on their home’s driveway for a few minutes when someone took it.

No suitcase was reported missing to police, Sheneman said.





http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2267674-Still+no+suspects+named&widget=push&article-Still%20no%20suspects%20named%20=&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

So the rumor is the "she" with the rummage sale suitcase is the pastor's wife or daughter. Surprise, surprise.

The rumor mill is alive and well here in Tracy...I have a hard time believing 2 frail seniors are going to be able to pull this crime off. It  doesn't make any sense to me. They had Sandra play with the GG, if they felt Sandra should be put to death, why expose their GG to her?
Any information about the son? I would assume Melissa is a Daughter in law.

Waving hello to my Modesto neighbor!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 08, 2009, 04:33:12 PM


He downplayed speculations that the suitcase that held Sandra’s body belonged to the family of Clifford Lane Lawless, 77, whose church police searched on Tuesday.

“Anything I say on that would be speculation at this point,” he said.

Several rumors associated with the piece of black luggage have spread among residents of Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, where little Sandra lived. Some residents have said that the pastor’s wife, Connie Lawless, or her daughter, Joni, left the rolling suitcase on their home’s driveway for a few minutes when someone took it.

No suitcase was reported missing to police, Sheneman said.





http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2267674-Still+no+suspects+named&widget=push&article-Still%20no%20suspects%20named%20=&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

So the rumor is the "she" with the rummage sale suitcase is the pastor's wife or daughter. Surprise, surprise.

Very interesting.  Could be rumor who knows, but, let me expand on this.  Just a scenario:

Someone in the park kidnaps and kills Sandra.  This person takes a risk of stealing a suitcase on the driveway of the Lawless' - taking a risk that they would be seen and taking a risk of being id'ed when and if that suitcase turns up again.

Of course we don't know if this was "the" suitcase and we also don't know if this is just a rumor.  But I do feel that something in or on the suitcase Sandra was found in led LE to Lawless and the church - whether LE admits it or not.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 04:33:48 PM


He downplayed speculations that the suitcase that held Sandra’s body belonged to the family of Clifford Lane Lawless, 77, whose church police searched on Tuesday.

“Anything I say on that would be speculation at this point,” he said.

Several rumors associated with the piece of black luggage have spread among residents of Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, where little Sandra lived. Some residents have said that the pastor’s wife, Connie Lawless, or her daughter, Joni, left the rolling suitcase on their home’s driveway for a few minutes when someone took it.

No suitcase was reported missing to police, Sheneman said.





http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2267674-Still+no+suspects+named&widget=push&article-Still%20no%20suspects%20named%20=&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

So the rumor is the "she" with the rummage sale suitcase is the pastor's wife or daughter. Surprise, surprise.
Thanks, you're right, surprise, surprise.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: k9ohana on April 08, 2009, 04:35:58 PM


He downplayed speculations that the suitcase that held Sandra’s body belonged to the family of Clifford Lane Lawless, 77, whose church police searched on Tuesday.

“Anything I say on that would be speculation at this point,” he said.

Several rumors associated with the piece of black luggage have spread among residents of Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, where little Sandra lived. Some residents have said that the pastor’s wife, Connie Lawless, or her daughter, Joni, left the rolling suitcase on their home’s driveway for a few minutes when someone took it.

No suitcase was reported missing to police, Sheneman said.





http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2267674-Still+no+suspects+named&widget=push&article-Still%20no%20suspects%20named%20=&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

So the rumor is the "she" with the rummage sale suitcase is the pastor's wife or daughter. Surprise, surprise.

The rumor mill is alive and well here in Tracy...I have a hard time believing 2 frail seniors are going to be able to pull this crime off. It  doesn't make any sense to me. They had Sandra play with the GG, if they felt Sandra should be put to death, why expose their GG to her?
Any information about the son? I would assume Melissa is a Daughter in law.

Waving hello to my Modesto neighbor!
Hi back Tracygirl
Not to mention would they (Mr & Mrs Lawless) really be so ignorant as to use a piece of luggage they own?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 08, 2009, 04:38:07 PM
The interview with the mom..

I do not remember her ever mention the church.. She says the Sandra did not come home for dinner so she walks around looking for her.. For 1 hour ?

"No Rose Colored Glasses"  What page was that video on again ??

Thanks



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 08, 2009, 04:41:21 PM


He downplayed speculations that the suitcase that held Sandra’s body belonged to the family of Clifford Lane Lawless, 77, whose church police searched on Tuesday.

“Anything I say on that would be speculation at this point,” he said.

Several rumors associated with the piece of black luggage have spread among residents of Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, where little Sandra lived. Some residents have said that the pastor’s wife, Connie Lawless, or her daughter, Joni, left the rolling suitcase on their home’s driveway for a few minutes when someone took it.

No suitcase was reported missing to police, Sheneman said.





http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2267674-Still+no+suspects+named&widget=push&article-Still%20no%20suspects%20named%20=&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

So the rumor is the "she" with the rummage sale suitcase is the pastor's wife or daughter. Surprise, surprise.

The rumor mill is alive and well here in Tracy...I have a hard time believing 2 frail seniors are going to be able to pull this crime off. It  doesn't make any sense to me. They had Sandra play with the GG, if they felt Sandra should be put to death, why expose their GG to her?
Any information about the son? I would assume Melissa is a Daughter in law.

Waving hello to my Modesto neighbor!

Do you know that the reverend is frail?  I don't know that either are involved, but there is a possibility that Mrs. Lawless didn't know anything.  If the crime was committed during an act of another kind, (I just can't say it) it is possible it wasn't decided that she be put to death - it just happened.
  Sometimes even spouses are oblivious to what the other is up to....BTK killer comes to mind.

I just hope LE looks at everyone equally and let the evidence lead them to the killer.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 08, 2009, 04:46:37 PM


He downplayed speculations that the suitcase that held Sandra’s body belonged to the family of Clifford Lane Lawless, 77, whose church police searched on Tuesday.

“Anything I say on that would be speculation at this point,” he said.

Several rumors associated with the piece of black luggage have spread among residents of Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, where little Sandra lived. Some residents have said that the pastor’s wife, Connie Lawless, or her daughter, Joni, left the rolling suitcase on their home’s driveway for a few minutes when someone took it.

No suitcase was reported missing to police, Sheneman said.





http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2267674-Still+no+suspects+named&widget=push&article-Still%20no%20suspects%20named%20=&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

So the rumor is the "she" with the rummage sale suitcase is the pastor's wife or daughter. Surprise, surprise.

The rumor mill is alive and well here in Tracy...I have a hard time believing 2 frail seniors are going to be able to pull this crime off. It  doesn't make any sense to me. They had Sandra play with the GG, if they felt Sandra should be put to death, why expose their GG to her?
Any information about the son? I would assume Melissa is a Daughter in law.

Waving hello to my Modesto neighbor!

It would not be them, it would be somebody that set them up by taking their suitcase to put the body into.
That somebody took great risk.. Possibly witnessed..


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 04:50:18 PM
The interview with the mom..

I do not remember her ever mention the church.. She says the Sandra did not come home for dinner so she walks around looking for her.. For 1 hour ?

"No Rose Colored Glasses"  What page was that video on again ??

Thanks


I'm looking for that page, and can't find it, I'm trying to remember who posted the video.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 04:50:30 PM


He downplayed speculations that the suitcase that held Sandra’s body belonged to the family of Clifford Lane Lawless, 77, whose church police searched on Tuesday.

“Anything I say on that would be speculation at this point,” he said.

Several rumors associated with the piece of black luggage have spread among residents of Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, where little Sandra lived. Some residents have said that the pastor’s wife, Connie Lawless, or her daughter, Joni, left the rolling suitcase on their home’s driveway for a few minutes when someone took it.

No suitcase was reported missing to police, Sheneman said.





http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2267674-Still+no+suspects+named&widget=push&article-Still%20no%20suspects%20named%20=&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

So the rumor is the "she" with the rummage sale suitcase is the pastor's wife or daughter. Surprise, surprise.

The rumor mill is alive and well here in Tracy...I have a hard time believing 2 frail seniors are going to be able to pull this crime off. It  doesn't make any sense to me. They had Sandra play with the GG, if they felt Sandra should be put to death, why expose their GG to her?
Any information about the son? I would assume Melissa is a Daughter in law.

Waving hello to my Modesto neighbor!

Do you know that the reverend is frail?  I don't know that either are involved, but there is a possibility that Mrs. Lawless didn't know anything.  If the crime was committed during an act of another kind, (I just can't say it) it is possible it wasn't decided that she be put to death - it just happened.
  Sometimes even spouses are oblivious to what the other is up to....BTK killer comes to mind.

I just hope LE looks at everyone equally and let the evidence lead them to the killer.

He appeared frail and the sound of his voice was the same. It was a very short statement in the driveway though. I could be way off, but I just don't have the feeling he/she did this.

I think an interview with Sandra's grandfather quoted him as saying Sandra spoke to her sisters about going to church or to a movie, then realized they didn't have money....


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Searching on April 08, 2009, 04:55:01 PM


He downplayed speculations that the suitcase that held Sandra’s body belonged to the family of Clifford Lane Lawless, 77, whose church police searched on Tuesday.

“Anything I say on that would be speculation at this point,” he said.

Several rumors associated with the piece of black luggage have spread among residents of Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, where little Sandra lived. Some residents have said that the pastor’s wife, Connie Lawless, or her daughter, Joni, left the rolling suitcase on their home’s driveway for a few minutes when someone took it.

No suitcase was reported missing to police, Sheneman said.





http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2267674-Still+no+suspects+named&widget=push&article-Still%20no%20suspects%20named%20=&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

So the rumor is the "she" with the rummage sale suitcase is the pastor's wife or daughter. Surprise, surprise.

Very interesting.  Could be rumor who knows, but, let me expand on this.  Just a scenario:

Someone in the park kidnaps and kills Sandra.  This person takes a risk of stealing a suitcase on the driveway of the Lawless' - taking a risk that they would be seen and taking a risk of being id'ed when and if that suitcase turns up again.

Of course we don't know if this was "the" suitcase and we also don't know if this is just a rumor.  But I do feel that something in or on the suitcase Sandra was found in led LE to Lawless and the church - whether LE admits it or not.

I put photos up of the suitcase earlier,can anyone zoom in on it?? maybe we can see if there is any name tag or anything on it??


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 04:55:26 PM
I'm having a hard time with the pastor and his wife being involved with this, I'm thinking one of their children or grandchildren perhaps. I don't know why but the age of the pastor is 77, I'm just thinking because of his age, but I could be very wrong.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 04:57:03 PM
http://cbs13.com/video/?cid=7

This is the link I posted for the mom's interview. Not sure if it is still up or not.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 08, 2009, 04:59:05 PM
I wish we knew more about the suitcase...like when it was on the driveway - the timeframe it was placed there and when it was missing. 

It could very well be a set up,  an act of desperation, but very risky.  Panic can make people do things that in hindsight are bad ideas.

I have all these questions and good gosh I want to know!  Time will tell.  They will get the perp.  I gotta have faith in that.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: leslee on April 08, 2009, 05:00:52 PM
Tracygirl I also went to look up info on Johnny, I'm speechless. That poor family, how do they survive?

I have no idea, I would suppose the mom just has such a determination to someday see her child again. ::MonkeyWaa::

She did I googled this.... its a lot more than just pedophilia ring;
http://www.rense.com/general67/gannn.htm

Well if it's any consolation at least Sandra wasn't sold into a ring for life.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 05:01:00 PM
http://cbs13.com/video/?cid=7

This is the link I posted for the mom's interview. Not sure if it is still up or not.
Thank-you


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 08, 2009, 05:05:23 PM
 HLN now talking about Sandra...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 05:10:54 PM
Tracygirl I also went to look up info on Johnny, I'm speechless. That poor family, how do they survive?

I have no idea, I would suppose the mom just has such a determination to someday see her child again. ::MonkeyWaa::

She did I googled this.... its a lot more than just pedophilia ring;
http://www.rense.com/general67/gannn.htm

Well if it's any consolation at least Sandra wasn't sold into a ring for life.
I am beyond speechless  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 05:14:07 PM
HLN now talking about Sandra...

Profiler said possible serial killer???? Yikes!!!
One person said they suspect the video released with Sandra was edited???


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 05:16:14 PM
HLN now talking about Sandra...

Profiler said possible serial killer???? Yikes!!!
One person said they suspect the video released with Sandra was edited???
I saw that too, I'm not buying that it is a serial killer. I think the video was edited.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 05:17:53 PM
Tracygirl I also went to look up info on Johnny, I'm speechless. That poor family, how do they survive?

I have no idea, I would suppose the mom just has such a determination to someday see her child again. ::MonkeyWaa::

She did I googled this.... its a lot more than just pedophilia ring;
http://www.rense.com/general67/gannn.htm

Well if it's any consolation at least Sandra wasn't sold into a ring for life.

WTH?  I have to admit I could only skim the article. I am still shaken by the pictures.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 08, 2009, 05:18:08 PM
The church is very common to Sandra I assume because she plays with the 5 year old at the pastors home in the park and I am sure they go from the home to the church all the time.. Would she walk across the street alone ? Or was the suitcase brought back into the park by the person who walked off with it ?
I just know that person was witnessed..


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 08, 2009, 05:20:04 PM
HLN now talking about Sandra...

Profiler said possible serial killer???? Yikes!!!
One person said they suspect the video released with Sandra was edited???
I saw that too, I'm not buying that it is a serial killer. I think the video was edited.

 I say no to the serial killer theory.....
How do you think that the video was edited?  I missed that part but am interested in some theories on this...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: leslee on April 08, 2009, 05:22:41 PM
HLN now talking about Sandra...

Profiler said possible serial killer???? Yikes!!!
One person said they suspect the video released with Sandra was edited???
I saw that too, I'm not buying that it is a serial killer. I think the video was edited.

I don't think so either. I am sure there are many more kids missing but Amber Dubois is the only other one mentioned in Ca recently. Serials work alone.... so do peds. I would think Peds would be methodical as they have fantasized about doing this for awhile, plotting, planning much like a serial. Then again I have no degree ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 08, 2009, 05:23:44 PM
I think this is a simple snatch and for some reason murdered child.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: k9ohana on April 08, 2009, 05:28:08 PM
I sure hope there is no merit to the serial theory.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Srobbins on April 08, 2009, 05:29:39 PM
One more comment on child porn, the police have said they tagged certain movies, what if this group of perverts made their own that was untraceable by the police? Put on CD's rather then down-loadable links? They know they are being watched by police but they need their fix (sort a speak)


Was this info on tv or an article, about the description of a movie and tagging certain movies? That is a good question that I don't know the answer to, hopefully someone will. Are you talking about, and I'm sure you are the 60 people that Tracy LE knows about. I'm wondering if some of the men in the mobile park are part of the 60.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 08, 2009, 05:34:52 PM
OT....has SM ever had a thread on Johnny G? it sure would be interesting to talk about that case...
I remember hearing about this long ago but I had no idea this all was going on...naive? or blissfully ignorant? till now...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: sleddogs on April 08, 2009, 05:35:53 PM
I would caution anybody reading & quoting from the Rense.com site as everything posted there needs to be taken with lots of grains of salt.

Rense.com is full of conspiracy nuts, anti-semantic Jew haters, and more disgusting lies. Their specialty seems to be sensationalism.

For an taste, Google    Rense+911  or  Rense +Sorcha+Faal


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 05:36:25 PM
Thank you for assuring me about the serial killing theory not being a real risk, but  what are the reasons why? There is always a first one. 





Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 05:39:39 PM
OT....has SM ever had a thread on Johnny G? it sure would be interesting to talk about that case...
I remember hearing about this long ago but I had no idea this all was going on...naive? or blissfully ignorant? till now...
When I started reading, I remembered the name and the circumstances, but I'm still in complete shock of what the rest of the article said.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 08, 2009, 05:42:56 PM
I would caution anybody reading & quoting from the Rense.com site as everything posted there needs to be taken with lots of grains of salt.

Rense.com is full of conspiracy nuts, anti-semantic Jew haters, and more disgusting lies. Their specialty seems to be sensationalism.

For an taste, Google    Rense+911  or  Rense +Sorcha+Faal

My disclaimer..
For everyone.. I agree.. The fact is Johnny Gosh was kidnapped. That part is true..
 The photos of Johnny were received by his mom in the mail from some unknown..
 Anything you read on the Internet can be a lie.. It can be manipulated.
The fact that Johnny was kidnapped is the only part that is factual..
ALL the rest you have to use your common sense..
You have to verify through creditable sources.
Just because his mom believes these things there has to be verifiable proof by others or witness of judgements by a court of law withing the united states of America..

THE INTERNET IS FULL OF LIES.. Look for proof..


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 08, 2009, 05:44:30 PM
I missed the spell checker ..But you get the point..



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: sleddogs on April 08, 2009, 05:48:27 PM
Edward,

Well said!

(With or without spellchecker).


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Searching on April 08, 2009, 06:03:34 PM
Tracygirl I also went to look up info on Johnny, I'm speechless. That poor family, how do they survive?

I have no idea, I would suppose the mom just has such a determination to someday see her child again. ::MonkeyWaa::

She did I googled this.... its a lot more than just pedophilia ring;
http://www.rense.com/general67/gannn.htm

Well if it's any consolation at least Sandra wasn't sold into a ring for life.

WTH?  I have to admit I could only skim the article. I am still shaken by the pictures.

http://www.johnnygosch.com/

have you watched the videos there??


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 08, 2009, 06:09:48 PM
They have issued many search warrants due to the Tracy-60 ppl who like to look at these types of movies or make them or whatever. Sandra's case might be an entirely different crime. Seems that LE has really stumbled upon a cess pool in this place.  Oh and I am not knocking the place. It goes on everywhere beyond the geography of Tracy.
What I want to see is arrests for all of this. And the fullest extent of the law.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 06:11:26 PM
I missed the spell checker ..But you get the point..


Yes, I do get the point, I'm having trouble believing all that, but I suppose anything is possible.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 06:12:57 PM
They have issued many search warrants due to the Tracy-60 ppl who like to look at these types of movies or make them or whatever. Sandra's case might be an entirely different crime. Seems that LE has really stumbled upon a cess pool in this place.  Oh and I am not knocking the place. It goes on everywhere beyond the geography of Tracy.
What I want to see is arrests for all of this. And the fullest extent of the law.
Yes, me too.  And no I haven't seen the videos, Searching, I'm afraid to.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: sleddogs on April 08, 2009, 06:17:10 PM
Ok, last post regarding Johnny Gosch

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Gosch

Has some interesting facts and speculation, corroborated and uncorroborated.


P.S. Wikipedia has been known to have their fair share of mistakes too.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: kippy on April 08, 2009, 06:22:40 PM
HLN just said a KIA suv was taken to be searched.  Anyone have any memories of seeing one in the park or anywhere?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 08, 2009, 06:22:49 PM
Well the fact is there is Satanist cults. There are in fact groups of people that attack children and kidnap them for sale to others for that purpose..
These groups have been found and uncovered world wide..

I am saying you have to be careful on each Internet article you read..

I believe Noreen Gosh knows what she is doing and there are many people who support her efforts..

Noreen is not alone in making these accusations and these other groups work diligently to discount any accusation against them.

I can show you a hundred such links to information to support my claim but this is not the thread to do that in..

I do not believe Sandra was victim of this type of crime.

Sandra still appears to me to have been attacked for some form of vengeance and FIND of the suitcase was just to further instill pain on the family.
Of course I could be wrong.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 06:41:08 PM
http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/       Up for presser, must be late, the memorial sure has grown  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 06:43:40 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090408/ap_on_re_us/girl_in_suitcase

Poor family


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 06:46:00 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090408/ap_on_re_us/girl_in_suitcase

Poor family
Heartbreaking


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 06:47:39 PM
http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/       Up for presser, must be late, the memorial sure has grown  ::MonkeyEek::

The memorial is very over whelming in person. It is huge!

Starting the press conference


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 08, 2009, 07:03:38 PM
LE and the FBI are crawling all over this community.  It is likely one of the safest in the country right now because of all this coverage by LE.

And personally I think the guilty party is already known and being watched closely for gathering even more evidence.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: MuffyBee on April 08, 2009, 07:05:00 PM
LE and the FBI are crawling all over this community.  It is likely one of the safest in the country right now because of all this coverage by LE.

And personally I think the guilty party is already known and being watched closely for gathering even more evidence.



ITA Anna


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 08, 2009, 07:07:56 PM
LE and the FBI are crawling all over this community.  It is likely one of the safest in the country right now because of all this coverage by LE.

And personally I think the guilty party is already known and being watched closely for gathering even more evidence.



ITA Anna


They sealed the search warrants so as not to tip anybody off.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: MuffyBee on April 08, 2009, 07:10:23 PM
LE and the FBI are crawling all over this community.  It is likely one of the safest in the country right now because of all this coverage by LE.

And personally I think the guilty party is already known and being watched closely for gathering even more evidence.



ITA Anna




They sealed the search warrants so as not to tip anybody off.


Yes, that's good.  I had read that earlier.  I want to see Sandra's killer (s) nailed but good.  No mistakes, no misunderstandings, no shoddy investigation.  BAM!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 08, 2009, 07:29:50 PM
Sandra Cantu's family emerged from two days of grief-stricken seclusion today to thank the people of Tracy for comfort in their time of need, and to call for the death penalty for whoever killed the little girl they last saw skipping happily off to play with a friend.

"There's a monster out there," Sandra's grandfather, Jose Chavez, said as he faced reporters at the entrance to the mobile home park where the 8-year-old girl lived. "He's got to be apprehended; he's got to be put away."

Sandra's uncle, Joe Chavez, added: "It's against my religion, but for me - (I ask for) the death penalty."

The Chavezes - Jose lives in the same home Sandra did with her mother, and his son Joe lives in Stockton - came to the entrance of the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park with Joe's wife, Angie, at 12:30 p.m. The family had declined to speak to the media since Monday morning, when a suitcase containing Sandra's body was found in an irrigation pond two miles from her home.

Joe Chavez said Sandra's mother, Maria Chavez, and grandmother, Dolores Chavez, both had to be sedated and monitored at a hospital for several hours after they got the news Monday evening that Sandra was dead.

"When that word came in, I heard screams that I've never heard before. ... Primal screams of love and fear," he said. "It was like the worst horror movie that you could ever watch."

Angie Chavez said the family has been deeply touched by the outpouring of emotion from Tracy residents and friends, who have created a 20-yard-long memorial of balloons, stuffed animals and heartfelt notes at the entrance to the mobile home park.

"This is overwhelming, the support we're getting," she said. "It's a testament to the heart that Sandra had, and how many people's she's touched. She was an angel."

Of Sandra's mother, she said, "She's holding up the best she can. It's very difficult for her."

Jose Chavez said the family is planning public and private memorials to Sandra, but he could not give dates yet.

Police have served at least 15 search warrants this week in the neighborhood where Sandra lived and have extensively questioned and searched the homes of at least six people. They also searched a Baptist church near the mobile home park Tuesday.

"We feel a great deal of pressure," police Sgt. Tony Sheneman said. "We want to find who is responsible for this, but we don't want to rush to judgment. We don't want anyone tried in the press. We want to identify the person who is responsible for this and develop a strong enough case that they will be brought to justice."

Sandra had been missing since March 27, when she was last seen on a afternoon surveillance video skipping near her home. Hundreds of volunteers and more than 200 area law enforcement officers and FBI agents spent 10 days searching for her, and flyers with pictures of the little girl with winning smile and mild brown eyes captured hearts all over Northern California.

Investigators closely questioned Pastor Lane Lawless of the Clover Road Baptist Church this week, seized a phone and computers from his residence in the mobile home park and combed through the church for evidence all day Tuesday. But they have not named him as a suspect, and the 77-year-old Lawless said Tuesday he had nothing to do with the girl's killing.

"We are focusing on no specific person at this time," Sheneman said. "We are looking at a lot of people. Everyone that we're talking to has been cooperative."

The San Joaquin County coroner's office has finished its autopsy on Sandra's body, but results will not be released until further toxicology tests are conducted by an outside laboratory, officials said. That may take as much as a month.

Residents in rural Tracy have been on edge all week with the knowledge that whoever killed the second-grader is still on the loose. While hundreds come to cry and leave mementos at a memorial to Sandra, they also acknowledge frustration that with their grief, they also feel fear.

Set in the farm country of the San Joaquin Valley, the city of 79,000 is a mix of agricultural heritage and new commuter-oriented housing, and many felt that they were safe from the kind of abduction horrors they only read about in newspapers.

"You don't know your neighbors," said Penny Morgado, a longtime resident of the mobile home park where Sandra lived. "You only know what they want you to know."

Sandra's uncle acknowledged the fear, but said he believes the slaying should not destroy Tracy residents' faith in each other.

"One bad apple doesn't ruin a whole community, so let's just find that bad apple and pluck it," Joe Chavez said. "If you're responsible for this, turn yourself in. Man up. Or woman up."

Peter Wolthius, who also lives in mobile home park, said his 5-year-old daughter often played with Sandra. Explaining to her that her friend will never come home has been hard.

"There's no way to easily explain death to a child," he said.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/08/BA1116V89C.DTL&tsp=1


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 08, 2009, 07:30:08 PM
With them saying that there is a child porn group operating there and they have not made any arrests yet in the porn thing, they would have to seal those also. They have alot of work to do and like Anna says, don't want to give anyone a heads up.
..
And, if the porn warrants were unsealed, lynching mob comes to my mind.

..
HLN says 100 residents or was it 100 residences, ALL of them have been questioned.   


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 07:30:49 PM
http://www.news10.net/video/default.aspx?menuid=174

If interested, here is a link to an interview the family granted today.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: MuffyBee on April 08, 2009, 07:37:46 PM
http://www.news10.net/video/default.aspx?menuid=174

If interested, here is a link to an interview the family granted today.

Thank you Tracygirl.  Just heartbreaking.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 07:40:32 PM
Thanks Edward for the article, and Tracygirl for the video, my heart breaks for Sandra's family and friends.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Srobbins on April 08, 2009, 07:53:41 PM
One more comment on child porn, the police have said they tagged certain movies, what if this group of perverts made their own that was untraceable by the police? Put on CD's rather then down-loadable links? They know they are being watched by police but they need their fix (sort a speak)

~Interesting~

"Officials took some items from Wohler's home, but it's unclear what they were. They also searched his martial arts studio in Tracy.

Wohler said "a couple CDs" were taken by police."  

Here is the article http://www.kcra.com/news/19059082/detail.html


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 08:03:27 PM
One more comment on child porn, the police have said they tagged certain movies, what if this group of perverts made their own that was untraceable by the police? Put on CD's rather then down-loadable links? They know they are being watched by police but they need their fix (sort a speak)

~Interesting~

"Officials took some items from Wohler's home, but it's unclear what they were. They also searched his martial arts studio in Tracy.

Wohler said "a couple CDs" were taken by police."  

Here is the article http://www.kcra.com/news/19059082/detail.html

He hasn't left my radar screen. Anyone that would kiss a little girl on the lips and say he is just being nice, is just not right. Something about him just gives me the creeps. He is a single man living on his own, works with kids, has kids as friends, admits to kissing a little girl he had to only know for a few months, driving by her home several times per day according to a neighbor....He sounds obsessed with her.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: MuffyBee on April 08, 2009, 08:10:00 PM
New monkeys learning how to quote:  After you hit the "quote" button on the right side of your screen, you will get a box, with the post you are quoting in it.  Be sure to space down, by hitting "enter" or scroll down a few until you get past the bottom of the quote the WORD quote.  Go past [/quote]  a few returns.  That will keep you from messing up the quotes. 

You can also go to the Test Area thread and practice stuff.  Here is the link:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1924.260


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 08, 2009, 08:12:19 PM
One more comment on child porn, the police have said they tagged certain movies, what if this group of perverts made their own that was untraceable by the police? Put on CD's rather then down-loadable links? They know they are being watched by police but they need their fix (sort a speak)

~Interesting~

"Officials took some items from Wohler's home, but it's unclear what they were. They also searched his martial arts studio in Tracy.

Wohler said "a couple CDs" were taken by police."  

Here is the article http://www.kcra.com/news/19059082/detail.html

Here is a court case where some of this becomes real.. without photos..

http://www.scribd.com/doc/529484/Paul-Bonacci-Testimony-Transcripts-2051999

http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg64719.html

Here are other links to similar But not court related ..
That further implicates those above and others.
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/satanic_subversion.htm

What these people are involved in is far more then just looking at some pictures on a disc. in my humble opinion.




Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 08, 2009, 08:13:37 PM
Again I do not think this has anything to do with Sandra.. MO.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 08, 2009, 08:20:15 PM
NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/08/sandra-cantu-investigation-suitcase-reported-stolen-by-church-member/

Sandra Cantu Investigation: Suitcase Reported Stolen By Church Member


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 08:22:54 PM
Again I do not think this has anything to do with Sandra.. MO.
No I don't either, thank-you for the links, very interesting read, so disturbing.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 08:28:02 PM
NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/08/sandra-cantu-investigation-suitcase-reported-stolen-by-church-member/

Sandra Cantu Investigation: Suitcase Reported Stolen By Church Member

Thank-you, I didn't believe anything that man was saying, it was obvious to me he was lying.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 08:46:54 PM
NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/08/sandra-cantu-investigation-suitcase-reported-stolen-by-church-member/

Sandra Cantu Investigation: Suitcase Reported Stolen By Church Member


Wow interesting. I wonder if the police questioned him? Maybe they should ask why make up the story?

I read somewhere or heard on a tv interview the church members are supposed to be a more needy group or a group that may have a bit more of a past.

Nancy grace is talking about this right now.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 08, 2009, 09:10:17 PM
I may be wrong.  I have been before and I will be again.

But I believe LE/FBI are all over this and know exactly what's what.  They may lack some crucial evidence and are slowly getting it.

They are being much to deliberate and methodical not to know what they are doing in this case.

Somebody's going down, IMO.  As well they should.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 08, 2009, 09:13:01 PM
I may be wrong.  I have been before and I will be again.

But I believe LE/FBI are all over this and know exactly what's what.  They may lack some crucial evidence and are slowly getting it.

They are being much to deliberate and methodical not to know what they are doing in this case.

Somebody's going down, IMO.  As well they should.

Anna
- I feel pretty good about them too especially after seeing them all over the church grounds.  If you watched any of the videos interviewing some of the people that live right near the church, it sounds pretty odd.  The woman accross the street said there were maybe 15 members of the church.  Something isn't right about the church.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 09:17:40 PM
I may be wrong.  I have been before and I will be again.

But I believe LE/FBI are all over this and know exactly what's what.  They may lack some crucial evidence and are slowly getting it.

They are being much to deliberate and methodical not to know what they are doing in this case.

Somebody's going down, IMO.  As well they should.

Anna
- I feel pretty good about them too especially after seeing them all over the church grounds.  If you watched any of the videos interviewing some of the people that live right near the church, it sounds pretty odd.  The woman accross the street said there were maybe 15 members of the church.  Something isn't right about the church.
There sure does seem something isn't right with that church, if I were driving by I would think it was an abandoned church.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 08, 2009, 09:23:32 PM
NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/08/sandra-cantu-investigation-suitcase-reported-stolen-by-church-member/

Sandra Cantu Investigation: Suitcase Reported Stolen By Church Member


Wow interesting. I wonder if the police questioned him? Maybe they should ask why make up the story?

I read somewhere or heard on a tv interview the church members are supposed to be a more needy group or a group that may have a bit more of a past.

Nancy grace is talking about this right now.

Right. My bigger concern is why make the statement in the first place?
LE was enroute to the pastors home and then church immediately thereafter after opening that suitcase, not checking reports of missing luggage.

I am of the opinion that either a conscientious family member, OR perhaps a person that knew Lawless previously tipped them off first.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 09:31:21 PM
NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/08/sandra-cantu-investigation-suitcase-reported-stolen-by-church-member/

Sandra Cantu Investigation: Suitcase Reported Stolen By Church Member


Wow interesting. I wonder if the police questioned him? Maybe they should ask why make up the story?

I read somewhere or heard on a tv interview the church members are supposed to be a more needy group or a group that may have a bit more of a past.

Nancy grace is talking about this right now.

Right. My bigger concern is why make the statement in the first place?
LE was enroute to the pastors home and then church immediately thereafter after opening that suitcase, not checking reports of missing luggage.

I am of the opinion that either a conscientious family member, OR perhaps a person that knew Lawless previously tipped them off first.
It is obvious that after opening the luggage, there was a reason to go to Lawless's home and then the church. I am having a hard time thinking this man did this, because of his age, which seems naive of me, but when he was in the car with his wife, he appeared to me to be on the frail side, but that could have been an act I suppose. I'm just not sure on this, does anyone know if Wohler, Sinclair or Slaytor go to this church?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 09:32:54 PM
What bugs me was this rummage sale planned or was this some bizarre unplanned rummage sale.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: AZSunny on April 08, 2009, 09:35:22 PM
I may be wrong.  I have been before and I will be again.

But I believe LE/FBI are all over this and know exactly what's what.  They may lack some crucial evidence and are slowly getting it.

They are being much to deliberate and methodical not to know what they are doing in this case.

Somebody's going down, IMO.  As well they should.

Anna,  any idea why the FBI would be digging in the crawl space under the church?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: k9ohana on April 08, 2009, 09:39:25 PM
I wonder what the criminal records look like for the Clover rd baptist church parishioners.
It looks like Mr. & Mrs Williams has an extensive records based on the blink on crime article.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: AZSunny on April 08, 2009, 09:40:32 PM
I may be wrong.  I have been before and I will be again.

But I believe LE/FBI are all over this and know exactly what's what.  They may lack some crucial evidence and are slowly getting it.

They are being much to deliberate and methodical not to know what they are doing in this case.

Somebody's going down, IMO.  As well they should.

Anna,  any idea why the FBI would be digging in the crawl space under the church?

(to continue my thought......) With all the occurrences lately in Europe, I was wondering if they were looking for a hidden room in the basement.   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 08, 2009, 09:42:20 PM
I may be wrong.  I have been before and I will be again.

But I believe LE/FBI are all over this and know exactly what's what.  They may lack some crucial evidence and are slowly getting it.

They are being much to deliberate and methodical not to know what they are doing in this case.

Somebody's going down, IMO.  As well they should.

Anna,  any idea why the FBI would be digging in the crawl space under the church?

AZSunny, no would be wild speculation but I think mostly it was to cover every single part of the Church and leave nothing unchecked there.  If there is an attic, I would bet they looked in there as well.  Being totally thorough.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 09:43:32 PM
In Tracy donation trucks come around to pick things up. We are asked to place things curb side. There is also a city wide garage sale happening some time in April. Not sure if this was happening but it maybe useful information.

The lying guy? He was just on KCRA, he was at the door with the minister, could have sworn he had a key and was opening the door! Let me see if I can find the video


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 08, 2009, 09:44:49 PM
I may be wrong.  I have been before and I will be again.

But I believe LE/FBI are all over this and know exactly what's what.  They may lack some crucial evidence and are slowly getting it.

They are being much to deliberate and methodical not to know what they are doing in this case.

Somebody's going down, IMO.  As well they should.

Anna,  any idea why the FBI would be digging in the crawl space under the church?

(to continue my thought......) With all the occurrences lately in Europe, I was wondering if they were looking for a hidden room in the basement.   ::MonkeyEek::


They looked EVERYWHERE and now they don't have to wonder if they missed something is what I think.  They KNOW the church has been inspected completely. 

Yes, I would think there is a reason it became their first place to search immediately after the remains were recovered. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 09:50:36 PM
Its not up yet, although the way I worded my sentance you probably had no idea what I meant.

It showed Williams again talking to the press, I have no idea what he was saying, I was in the kitchen, but I did see him at the door of the church, to me it appeared he unlocked the door  and opened it for the minister. Who is not that frail now that I saw him walking. Looked like a healthy 77 year old me.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 08, 2009, 09:53:55 PM
I wonder what the criminal records look like for the Clover rd baptist church parishioners.
It looks like Mr. & Mrs Williams has an extensive records based on the blink on crime article.

According to a neighbor across the street there aren't many more than 15 parishioners.  The neighbor said she went there one Sunday and people looked at her walking in like she was a ghost.  Something is up with that church.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: AZSunny on April 08, 2009, 09:56:23 PM
I wonder what the criminal records look like for the Clover rd baptist church parishioners.
It looks like Mr. & Mrs Williams has an extensive records based on the blink on crime article.

According to a neighbor across the street there aren't many more than 15 parishioners.  The neighbor said she went there one Sunday and people looked at her walking in like she was a ghost.  Something is up with that church.

I agree, and how do they stay 'operational' with that small a congregation?  Something is Hinky....


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 08, 2009, 09:56:40 PM
Why did he have to murder her? it is so unfair...I am getting sadder and sadder about this...she was such a lovely little girl...she did not deserve this...none of them do...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 08, 2009, 10:00:37 PM
I wonder what the criminal records look like for the Clover rd baptist church parishioners.
It looks like Mr. & Mrs Williams has an extensive records based on the blink on crime article.

According to a neighbor across the street there aren't many more than 15 parishioners.  The neighbor said she went there one Sunday and people looked at her walking in like she was a ghost.  Something is up with that church.

I agree, and how do they stay 'operational' with that small a congregation?  Something is Hinky....

 haven't you ever noticed that churches just "spring up" anywhere? they are in little strip malls, in the fronts of buildings and sometimes just tiny little houses that are turned into "churches"..on Sundays you can go by and there are maybe 5 cars parked there...a cheap little swing set in the back of the unmowed lawn....you can picture it right? those always creep me out, like they are cult types or something weird....


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: k9ohana on April 08, 2009, 10:01:40 PM
I wonder what the criminal records look like for the Clover rd baptist church parishioners.
It looks like Mr. & Mrs Williams has an extensive records based on the blink on crime article.

According to a neighbor across the street there aren't many more than 15 parishioners.  The neighbor said she went there one Sunday and people looked at her walking in like she was a ghost.  Something is up with that church.
I read that too, such a small congregation too be so weary of strangers unless they are hiding something odd, maybe not even criminal, just odd.
Really makes me wonder about the parishioners though. Just seems to closed off to me...or too...I dont know just too "something". I cant put my finger on what I am feeling but I feel something funky.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 10:05:18 PM
I wonder what the criminal records look like for the Clover rd baptist church parishioners.
It looks like Mr. & Mrs Williams has an extensive records based on the blink on crime article.

According to a neighbor across the street there aren't many more than 15 parishioners.  The neighbor said she went there one Sunday and people looked at her walking in like she was a ghost.  Something is up with that church.

I agree, and how do they stay 'operational' with that small a congregation?  Something is Hinky....

This is a baptist church, wonder if the baptist churches all support one another financially? Or if there is some kind of main church (or whatever, I don't' know what it is called) they support it? 15 people does not a financially strong church make. Especially with a parish of people who have a criminal past.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 08, 2009, 10:05:48 PM
15 search warrants served.  We don't even know about some of them.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 10:07:05 PM
Its not up yet, although the way I worded my sentance you probably had no idea what I meant.

It showed Williams again talking to the press, I have no idea what he was saying, I was in the kitchen, but I did see him at the door of the church, to me it appeared he unlocked the door  and opened it for the minister. Who is not that frail now that I saw him walking. Looked like a healthy 77 year old me.
Thanks, so the 77 year old pastor doesn't look that frail, interesting.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 10:08:29 PM
I may be wrong.  I have been before and I will be again.

But I believe LE/FBI are all over this and know exactly what's what.  They may lack some crucial evidence and are slowly getting it.

They are being much to deliberate and methodical not to know what they are doing in this case.

Somebody's going down, IMO.  As well they should.

Anna,  any idea why the FBI would be digging in the crawl space under the church?
They did find some work gloves in the crawl space, but I don't know if they found anything else.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: k9ohana on April 08, 2009, 10:09:00 PM
I wonder what the criminal records look like for the Clover rd baptist church parishioners.
It looks like Mr. & Mrs Williams has an extensive records based on the blink on crime article.

According to a neighbor across the street there aren't many more than 15 parishioners.  The neighbor said she went there one Sunday and people looked at her walking in like she was a ghost.  Something is up with that church.

I agree, and how do they stay 'operational' with that small a congregation?  Something is Hinky....

This is a baptist church, wonder if the baptist churches all support one another financially? Or if there is some kind of main church (or whatever, I don't' know what it is called) they support it? 15 people does not a financially strong church make. Especially with a parish of people who have a criminal past.



That is a good question Tracygirl, I have no idea if they are interconnected in some way. The money for the land and building has to come from some where.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 08, 2009, 10:10:42 PM
Churches can be affiliated with larger denoninational ties and be part of a large system or be totally independent.  I don't think this one is an affiliate of any large group as they would incorporate it into a larger congregation.

Usually when a church has so few members around here, yes, they are up to something and some times it is snake handling, I kid you not!

But they give themselves unusual names as well.  Not just Baptist Church but something odd, the handlers.

But there could be a connection to the church through anybody and does not have to even be a member.  Someone could have also thought the church abandoned, etc.

Or be seeking charity from the church.  I don't think we will have to wait months and years to see a conclusion to this as I think LE is looking for specific things now.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 10:10:46 PM
I wonder what the criminal records look like for the Clover rd baptist church parishioners.
It looks like Mr. & Mrs Williams has an extensive records based on the blink on crime article.

According to a neighbor across the street there aren't many more than 15 parishioners.  The neighbor said she went there one Sunday and people looked at her walking in like she was a ghost.  Something is up with that church.
I never heard of a church having only 15 parishioners, almost seems like it would be a waste to keep it up and running. The church and its surroundings give me a creepy feeling.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Searching on April 08, 2009, 10:13:42 PM
errr did  you monkeys catch this too??

Quote
According to a neighbor across the street there aren't many more than 15 parishioners.  The neighbor said she went there one Sunday and people looked at her walking in like she was a ghost.  Something is up with that church.


Quote
15 search warrants served.  We don't even know about some of them.
     ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: k9ohana on April 08, 2009, 10:14:21 PM
errr did  you monkeys catch this too??

Quote
According to a neighbor across the street there aren't many more than 15 parishioners.  The neighbor said she went there one Sunday and people looked at her walking in like she was a ghost.  Something is up with that church.


Quote
15 search warrants served.  We don't even know about some of them.
     ::MonkeyEek::
Interesting


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 08, 2009, 10:16:24 PM
http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=57551&catid=2

Submerged Body Makes Investigation Tougher
Written for the web byPosted By: Mark Hedlund, Reporter   


(http://www.news10.net/assetpool/images/090406062716_tracy-container7-320.jpg)



TRACY, CA - The heartbreaking discovery of Sandra Cantu's remains in an irrigation pond also means extra difficulty in the murder investigation, according to CSI experts.



"Time and the elements are the worst enemy for CSI," one crime scene investigation expert told News10. "You don't know how much time has passed. Time deteriorates evidence. If it's underwater, that dilutes and compromises evidence like DNA."



The 8-year-old vanished on March 27, with her body not found and recovered until 10 days later. While it's unknown how long she was alive, few child kidnapping victims survive much longer than 24 or 48 hours after being abducted, experts say.



Complicating matters in this case is the likelihood the murder happened in a different location from where the body was found inside a suitcase that had been dumped underwater. Another complication is the suitcase was apparently dumped into the pond at a different point than where it was discovered.



Sgt. Tony Sheneman with the Tracy Police Department said when workers were draining the pond in the area off Tracy Boulevard and Whitehall Road Monday morning in preparation to flood a nearby field, the suitcase floated to the surface. He said a worker moved it to the edge of the pond and then called authorities.



Detectives spent hours processing the area around the pond for any tracks or other evidence before actually removing the suitcase to the San Joaquin County Coroner's Office.



"The body itself has all the evidence. Fingerprints are oil, they will smear. If there are fingerprints it'll be difficult to find," said the expert, who declined to be named publicly. "What else might be inside that suitcase? They'll have to look for trace fibers. If it's sealed, if water hasn't gotten in, that's wonderful. If it's your standard Samsonite, nope."



Tracy police investigators haven't revealed what else might have been discovered inside the suitcase, nor have they said anything about the condition of the body. Police only said the girl was dressed in the same pink "Hello Kitty" t-shirt and black leggings she was wearing at the time she disappeared.



Whatever analysis is done will take time. Even if DNA or fingerprint evidence is recovered, analysis and running database comparisons through Department of Justice labs can take weeks. Priority analysis can still take a long time.



"It's not like 'CSI' on TV," said the expert.

Created: 4/8/2009 2:10:55 PM Updated: 4/8/2009 2:25:10 PM


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 10:19:49 PM
They would have to have a non profit status and would have to account for every dollar donated from the members. I believe it is public information??? I wouldn't know where to start with that one though?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: AZSunny on April 08, 2009, 10:20:22 PM
I wonder what the criminal records look like for the Clover rd baptist church parishioners.
It looks like Mr. & Mrs Williams has an extensive records based on the blink on crime article.

According to a neighbor across the street there aren't many more than 15 parishioners.  The neighbor said she went there one Sunday and people looked at her walking in like she was a ghost.  Something is up with that church.

I agree, and how do they stay 'operational' with that small a congregation?  Something is Hinky....

This is a baptist church, wonder if the baptist churches all support one another financially? Or if there is some kind of main church (or whatever, I don't' know what it is called) they support it? 15 people does not a financially strong church make. Especially with a parish of people who have a criminal past.



Tracy, there is a history on their website about merging with another church in the 80's...'84?  so some 25 years ago, when this guy was named pastor.  I recall they had a disagreement over doctrine?  I would have to read it again.  How does he maintain his "pastorhood" when the church is not growing or thriving?   something is just not right.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 10:31:41 PM
AZSunny, I read that also some disagreement over doctrine. I'm wondering if the church is really a front for something else.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 10:36:12 PM
http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/index.htm

Here is the link again for the church. I am not particularly religious and I cannot tell you if the stuff is over the top or not. If you read the history there is a link to some new hampshire something or another.  On the page for sunday school it says about getting the lessons from a church in Salinas CA.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 08, 2009, 10:38:37 PM
http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/index.htm

Here is the link again for the church. I am not particularly religious and I cannot tell you if the stuff is over the top or not. If you read the history there is a link to some new hampshire something or another.  On the page for sunday school it says about getting the lessons from a church in Salinas CA.
Thanks


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 08, 2009, 10:56:01 PM
Its not up yet, although the way I worded my sentance you probably had no idea what I meant.

It showed Williams again talking to the press, I have no idea what he was saying, I was in the kitchen, but I did see him at the door of the church, to me it appeared he unlocked the door  and opened it for the minister. Who is not that frail now that I saw him walking. Looked like a healthy 77 year old me.

You go Tracygirl, I look forward to seeing that. I love it when people tie their own noose.

I go back to one thing, warrant on a church, sealed, check case law, that is rarer than my son remembering to turn his socks out, and thats saying alot.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 08, 2009, 10:57:50 PM
AZSunny, I read that also some disagreement over doctrine. I'm wondering if the church is really a front for something else.

Rose, you are one smart monkey. I am with you on that


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 08, 2009, 11:11:02 PM
http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/index.htm

Here is the link again for the church. I am not particularly religious and I cannot tell you if the stuff is over the top or not. If you read the history there is a link to some new hampshire something or another.  On the page for sunday school it says about getting the lessons from a church in Salinas CA.


I was reading their Affirmation of Faith trying to determine what kind of church, denomination, this is and at the bottom of the page is a like to this site

http://teampyro.blogspot.com/

It is something about their religion but not anything I can follow as I am not familiar with this group and don't understand it very well.

In fact, I don't think I have ever seen anything quite like this.  I don't get it.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: TxLady2 on April 08, 2009, 11:13:26 PM
Churches can be affiliated with larger denoninational ties and be part of a large system or be totally independent.  I don't think this one is an affiliate of any large group as they would incorporate it into a larger congregation.

Usually when a church has so few members around here, yes, they are up to something and some times it is snake handling, I kid you not!

But they give themselves unusual names as well.  Not just Baptist Church but something odd, the handlers.

But there could be a connection to the church through anybody and does not have to even be a member.  Someone could have also thought the church abandoned, etc.

Or be seeking charity from the church.  I don't think we will have to wait months and years to see a conclusion to this as I think LE is looking for specific things now.

I've been a Baptist for a lot of years now.... NEVER seen a Baptist church that does snake handling... those are usually in the Holiness type churches, the ones that do the speaking in tongues, dancing, shouting, that kind of thing. Believe it or not, there are many, many branches of the Baptist religion. Only ones I've been at are Southern Baptist and Missionary Baptist. I know there are what the old-timers call Hardshell Baptists... but I've never been inside one of those, they are very strict with their beliefs... but never heard of any snake-handlers in them.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 08, 2009, 11:14:50 PM
Go to this page

http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/church1.html

and click on New Hampshire Confessions of Faith.

Then at the very bottom of that page is the link to

http://teampyro.blogspot.com/

It says Pyromaniacs.  I guess it is supposed to mean they are on fire for God or something? 

I'm just a simple little Catholic girl who does as told at Church and I don't know anything about this kind of thing.  Maybe this is unique to a very small segment of the population perhaps?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: AZSunny on April 08, 2009, 11:15:25 PM
http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/index.htm

Here is the link again for the church. I am not particularly religious and I cannot tell you if the stuff is over the top or not. If you read the history there is a link to some new hampshire something or another.  On the page for sunday school it says about getting the lessons from a church in Salinas CA.

But isn't the last sunday school lesson from like 2002 or 2003?  that is a bit of a gap.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 08, 2009, 11:19:18 PM
Churches can be affiliated with larger denoninational ties and be part of a large system or be totally independent.  I don't think this one is an affiliate of any large group as they would incorporate it into a larger congregation.

Usually when a church has so few members around here, yes, they are up to something and some times it is snake handling, I kid you not!

But they give themselves unusual names as well.  Not just Baptist Church but something odd, the handlers.

But there could be a connection to the church through anybody and does not have to even be a member.  Someone could have also thought the church abandoned, etc.

Or be seeking charity from the church.  I don't think we will have to wait months and years to see a conclusion to this as I think LE is looking for specific things now.

I've been a Baptist for a lot of years now.... NEVER seen a Baptist church that does snake handling... those are usually in the Holiness type churches, the ones that do the speaking in tongues, dancing, shouting, that kind of thing. Believe it or not, there are many, many branches of the Baptist religion. Only ones I've been at are Southern Baptist and Missionary Baptist. I know there are what the old-timers call Hardshell Baptists... but I've never been inside one of those, they are very strict with their beliefs... but never heard of any snake-handlers in them.

I stated they did NOT call themselves Baptists.  The one that comes to my mind as somewhat notorious was The Church of God With Signs Following or something like that.  Summerfield case where the husband put the wife's hand in the snake box and let the snakes bite her.  Was big case a few years back and the woman on Oprah.

I agree that this practice seems more in what is referred to as Holiness churches but I don't know that for a fact as I don't go there and have never personally seen it.  I do know occasionally someone is bitten and an ambulance sent later.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: sleddogs on April 08, 2009, 11:25:23 PM
I don't think there is anything unusual about a small church in itself as I have been a member in a few like this. In the mid 60's I went to a Baptist church in Joseph City Az that had only 5 families registered and of that only 3 were active. Granted we were in a town of 600+ and most were Mormon.

Here in Ohio we had a Methodist Church die a slow death and finally fold up a few years ago. The congregation got older with no new blood or youth joining the Church and the elders were comfortable just leaving it that way.  I could see this happening here with the pastor 77 years old and most of the congregation probably up there in years. The Church should probably should have changed to a younger Pastor to breath new life into the Church.

Our Southern Baptist Church just got through a year of turmoil when the Pastor retired. The replacement lasted less that 3 months due to conflicts with the former Pastor's family. We lost almost half the congregation and I was pretty sure the Church was not going to make it. But at the darkest moment a young Pastor from Louisiana was recruited and  got a vote of approval and now things are looking up.

Churches come and go, so I don't think much stock can be taken based on it's size.

JMHO
 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Searching on April 08, 2009, 11:25:51 PM
4/8 More on Pastor Lawless...<<<(tracypress) Several Tracy pastors said they don’t know that much about Lawless; he doesn’t join the 15 or 20 other pastors in town for Thursday prayer breakfasts.

Tim Heinrich of the Crossroads Baptist Church said Lawless declines to network with fellow pastors in town. Other pastors said the church has few events and focuses on church history because it disagrees with some of the tenets of others churches.

No one in the neighborhood surrounding Orchard Estates said they attend the Baptist church — surrounded now by yellow crime-scene tape. About a dozen neighbors said they don’t know anyone who does and that it has a tiny congregation.>>>

I would sure like to see their member list...

 http://community.compuserve.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=&nav=messages&webtag=ws-crimeforum&tid=14549&redirCnt=1


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 08, 2009, 11:26:15 PM
Go to this page

http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/church1.html

and click on New Hampshire Confessions of Faith.

Then at the very bottom of that page is the link to

http://teampyro.blogspot.com/

It says Pyromaniacs.  I guess it is supposed to mean they are on fire for God or something? 

I'm just a simple little Catholic girl who does as told at Church and I don't know anything about this kind of thing.  Maybe this is unique to a very small segment of the population perhaps?


Will someone please take a look at this page and share your thoughts.  I have no idea what kind of ministry this is discussing.  Is it a site for churches that are losing their congregation maybe?  Is this the person who wrote their Declaration of Faith?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 08, 2009, 11:26:54 PM

Sheneman: No official report of missing luggage at either LE dept. BUT, when asked if they have discussed it in interviews he said "no comment".

Family did not want cash donations to avoid the appearance of profiting off Sandra being missing. (NOTE TO OTHERS: THIS IS HOW YOU ACT WHEN YOUR CHILD IS MISSING/MURDERED)

video of Sandra's family, her aunt confirms that they were NOT members of the pastors church...

her uncle, you can see his anger...one of the reporters had the nerve to ask them "why" they think Sandra has touched people and his response paraphrased was if you saw that video and you see her skipping carefree and then taken. direct quote "innocence taken, doesn't that touch you?"

quote of the day goes to her uncle
"let's find that bad apple and pluck em."

http://cbs13.com/video/?id=51721@cbslocal.dayport.com


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Searching on April 08, 2009, 11:28:28 PM
hmmmm....    ::MonkeyEek::

Emergent Church Leaders Mix Constructive Criticism With Error

by David Roach

The emerging church movement has started a helpful conversation about the need for churches to be relevant to postmodern culture but commits fatal errors in the areas of evangelism and the authority of Scripture, said Chuck Lawless, dean of the Billy Graham School of Missions, Evangelism and Church Growth at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.


http://thoughtsactions.wordpress.com/2006/03/01/emergent-church-leaders-mix-constructive-criticism-with-error/


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 08, 2009, 11:31:45 PM
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/

AmandaReckonwith a poster from over "yonder" posted this to share all the pictures she has collected in regards to Sandra's case. It's a treasure trove of pictures.

Thank you Amanda!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 11:33:23 PM
Churches can be affiliated with larger denoninational ties and be part of a large system or be totally independent.  I don't think this one is an affiliate of any large group as they would incorporate it into a larger congregation.

Usually when a church has so few members around here, yes, they are up to something and some times it is snake handling, I kid you not!

But they give themselves unusual names as well.  Not just Baptist Church but something odd, the handlers.

But there could be a connection to the church through anybody and does not have to even be a member.  Someone could have also thought the church abandoned, etc.

Or be seeking charity from the church.  I don't think we will have to wait months and years to see a conclusion to this as I think LE is looking for specific things now.

I've been a Baptist for a lot of years now.... NEVER seen a Baptist church that does snake handling... those are usually in the Holiness type churches, the ones that do the speaking in tongues, dancing, shouting, that kind of thing. Believe it or not, there are many, many branches of the Baptist religion. Only ones I've been at are Southern Baptist and Missionary Baptist. I know there are what the old-timers call Hardshell Baptists... but I've never been inside one of those, they are very strict with their beliefs... but never heard of any snake-handlers in them.

Snake handlers? Seriously? what do they do with snakes? doesn't that slayter guy own a reptile business?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 08, 2009, 11:37:13 PM
Tracygirl,

That was just an example of something a very closed church might be doing and I think it is fairly regional in the Appalachians.  I don't think it applies in the instance of this church.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 08, 2009, 11:39:02 PM
My dear searching, I didn't know-
My deepest condolences.
B


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: pink angel on April 08, 2009, 11:42:30 PM
Family plans public memorial service
by Eric Firpo / TP staff


The family of Sandra Cantu plans a public memorial service once the coroner is finished with the autopsy on the slain 8-year-old.

“We felt that the Tracy community has been so loving to us and shown their love for Sandra that we need to allow them to mourn as well,” Angie Chavez, Sandra’s aunt, said today.

Chavez, 41, said the family will have a private funeral as well as a public service, possibly in a large venue, given the likelihood that it will draw a huge crowd.

An as-yet unending stream of thousands of well-wishers have made a sort of pilgrimage to drop off flowers, pictures, stuffed animals and other mementos at a ballooning memorial outside the gates of the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park on West Clover Road where Sandra lived.

Police announced Monday night that Sandra’s body was inside a suitcase retrieved earlier that day after an irrigation pond was drained on a north Tracy dairy. Sandra had been reported missing on March 27.

A police chaplain went to the mobile home of Sandra’s grandfather, Jose Chavez, 67, and her mother, Maria Chavez, to deliver the news Monday evening.

“Maria was already sitting down,” Angie Chavez said. “There was a lot of screaming. A lot of emotions. A lot of crying. Just horrible.”

Joe Chavez, Sandra's uncle, said the death was "ridiculous, absurd and grotesque."

"It's complete innocence taken for absolutely no reason," he said. "When that word came in, I heard screams that I'd never heard come out of human beings before."

For Jose Chavez, he said it sounded like, "Primal screams of love and fear like the worst horror movie you could ever watch.”

"There's a monster out there,” he added.

Sandra's cause of death has not been revealed. An autopsy has been completed, but results were pending, said Les Garcia, a spokesman for the San Joaquin County coroner's office.

Since that day, the family has grieved by itself — until today, when they ventured out to briefly talk to the press and get a glimpse of the shrine that has sprung up in memory of Sandra.

Chavez said she brought in some crosses, a few rosaries and a copy of The Lord’s Prayer.

The family plans to donate the stuffed animals to children’s hospitals and the police or fire departments “so kids in trauma have something to hang onto.”

She said the family’s swings of emotion range from “being numb to being crying, to being angry, to actually being happy remembering the times with her, but then being sad, knowing we won’t have her anymore.”

Police continue the search for clues as they hunt for Sandra’s killer, or killers. They served two more search warrants in the mobile home park Tuesday, and crime-scene investigators identified possible evidence at the Clover Road Baptist Church, just a few hundred yards from the mobile home park’s gates.

The pastor of the church and his wife’s mobile home were searched, where they took a computer and other items, Connie Lawless, wife of pastor Lane Lawless, told reporters this week.

Three others have had their mobile homes searched, — Frank Wolher, 60; Christian Sinclair, 49; and David Slayter, 44.

Police have named no suspects or “persons of interest.”

But the possibility that Sandra’s killer might live in the park is “a horrible thought,” Chavez said.

One of Sandra’s relatives who asked not to be identified said the family wants the death penalty for whoever is convicted of killing her.

Despite the anguish of Sandra’s death, the aunt said she and the Chavez family have been buttressed by the outpouring of support for them.

“It’s been incredible,” she said. “Words can’t describe how grateful and thankful we are. It’s been overwhelming. When you think you’re alone, you realize you’re not.”

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

• Reach City Editor Eric Firpo at 830-4223 or efirpo@tracypress.com

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?article-Family%20plans%20public%20memorial%20service%20%20%20=&page_label=home&id=2277094-Family+plans+public+memorial+service++&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 11:43:59 PM
Tracygirl,

That was just an example of something a very closed church might be doing and I think it is fairly regional in the Appalachians.  I don't think it applies in the instance of this church.



Oh thank you...whew!

Does anyone know how you can view a churches non profit 501 3c? And, can you view a list of donars for a particular church? I believe it is public knowledge.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 08, 2009, 11:44:04 PM
Go to this page

http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/church1.html

and click on New Hampshire Confessions of Faith.

Then at the very bottom of that page is the link to

http://teampyro.blogspot.com/

It says Pyromaniacs.  I guess it is supposed to mean they are on fire for God or something? 

I'm just a simple little Catholic girl who does as told at Church and I don't know anything about this kind of thing.  Maybe this is unique to a very small segment of the population perhaps?


Will someone please take a look at this page and share your thoughts.  I have no idea what kind of ministry this is discussing.  Is it a site for churches that are losing their congregation maybe?  Is this the person who wrote their Declaration of Faith?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyromania

Pyromania, a type of mania, is an impulse to deliberately start fires to relieve tension and typically includes feelings of gratification or relief afterward. Pyromania is distinct from arson, and pyromaniacs are also distinct from those who start fires because of psychosis, for personal, monetary or political gain, or for acts of revenge. Pyromaniacs start fires to induce euphoria, and often tend to fixate on institutions of fire control like fire stations and firefighters.

Boths sites belong to:  Phil Johnson


http://teampyro.blogspot.com/

http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/bio.htm



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 08, 2009, 11:44:16 PM
Prayers for this suffering family tonight and for all who are suffering.

Tomorrow is sure to bring even further information.

Goodnight, all.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: AZSunny on April 08, 2009, 11:51:08 PM
Go to this page

http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/church1.html

and click on New Hampshire Confessions of Faith.

Then at the very bottom of that page is the link to

http://teampyro.blogspot.com/

It says Pyromaniacs.  I guess it is supposed to mean they are on fire for God or something? 

I'm just a simple little Catholic girl who does as told at Church and I don't know anything about this kind of thing.  Maybe this is unique to a very small segment of the population perhaps?


Will someone please take a look at this page and share your thoughts.  I have no idea what kind of ministry this is discussing.  Is it a site for churches that are losing their congregation maybe?  Is this the person who wrote their Declaration of Faith?

Anna, I read most of it, and I am in a fog bank.  No idea what they are talking about.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: MuffyBee on April 08, 2009, 11:52:35 PM
Good night Anna.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on April 08, 2009, 11:55:35 PM
If this has already been posted, my apologies...

Some criticize Calif. police in missing girl case

TRACY, Calif. – Police called the disappearance of 8-year-old Sandra Cantu a missing persons case, not an abduction, for 10 days — until some farm workers drained an irrigation pond and found her body stuffed in a suitcase. Some residents and a law-enforcement expert say authorities in Tracy should have publicly expressed more urgency about the case and warned of the danger that could be lurking in their Northern California community.

But police say that despite their initial uncertainty about Sandra's fate, they did everything they could, scouring the area, calling in reinforcements and exploring theories from dealing with a runaway to looking for a kidnapper.

"Until we had an indication that Sandra had been killed, we were treating this as a missing persons case," said Tracy police spokesman Sgt. Tony Sheneman.

"We had no indication of an abduction," he said. "We wanted to be as careful as possible."

Sandra's body was found Monday a few miles from her home. Police have interviewed hundreds of people and served more than 15 search warrants, including one at a local church, but say they have no suspects so far.

An autopsy on the girl has been completed, but results will not be available for several weeks, a coroner's spokesman said Wednesday. Officials declined to discuss any preliminary findings.

Hundreds of volunteers and police searched for the girl and pictures of her smiling face were posted all over town, but some wonder if a different approach by police might have made a difference. Three days after she was last seen, Sheneman had expressed confidence that she was "alive and well."

"If it would have been my daughter, I would've wanted everyone watching, everyone to be suspicious," said Ana Morales, 24, a mother of two who on Wednesday visited a sprawling makeshift memorial for Sandra outside the mobile home park where she lived.

"We always had the sense that she was going to be OK," she said. "(Police) statements were a little misleading — their statements led us to believe they knew something about how she was doing."

Her brother, Luis Morales, 27, chalked it up to inexperience: "This usually happens in large cities, not in small towns like this."

Sheneman acknowledged that "we've never handled a missing persons case such as this." But officials say city police quickly asked for help, calling in the San Joaquin Sheriff's Department, other neighboring law enforcement and the FBI.

Hours after Sandra's family reported her missing the evening of March 27, the city opened its emergency operations center, normally reserved for earthquakes and fires, according to city spokesman Matt Robinson.

Police say they never issued an Amber Alert because they had no information on a suspect or mode of transportation connected to an abduction, which is normally required for the alert.

Joseph Pollini, deputy chair of the law and police science department at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York, said he disagreed with that decision.

"Even if it's just some nuance of information, we still want to get that out there," said Pollini, who headed the kidnapping and cold-case homicide units during his 33 years with the New York Police Department.

With time a crucial factor in recovering an abducted child, publicizing a physical description of Sandra as broadly and quickly as possible would have made sense, Pollini said.

"It's not like it's going to cost a lot of money to put the transmission over the air," he said. "You're still dealing with a life."

Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, defended Tracy police's handling of the search for the missing girl and said they made the right call in not issuing the Amber Alert. Broadcasting an alert with only a physical description is not an appropriate use of the system, he said.

"The response of the Tracy police in this case was swift and serious. It's hard to imagine what else they could have done," said Allen, whose organization's hotline received hundreds of tips regarding Sandra's disappearance.

Joined by some of Sandra's relatives outside the mobile home complex, the girl's uncle Joe Chavez told reporters Wednesday that he wanted to see whoever was responsible get the death penalty.

"It's complete innocence taken for absolutely no reason," Chavez said.

"When that word came in (the girl's body was found), I heard screams that I'd never heard come out of human beings before," he said. "Primal screams of love and fear like the worst horror movie you could ever watch."

Pollini, who is not involved in the investigation, said based on what has been publicly disclosed, it appears Sandra's killer fits a "disorganized" profile — someone lacking in intelligence who would commit a crime close to home and dump the victim's body nearby.

Police would be searching for footprints, tire prints and broken vegetation leading to and from the pond, he said. They would also examine suspects for traces of mud or dirt from the scene.

"As long as you have the resources, tenacity and the time, every case is solvable," he said.

Robinson, the city spokesman, said he understood public frustration over the lack of answers but urged patience.

"This is a town in which we protect our own. We had an unsuccessful ending with Sandra, and that's going to eat at people," he said. "Now the next step is letting police do their jobs."

LINK (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090409/ap_on_re_us/girl_in_suitcase)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 08, 2009, 11:56:34 PM
Pyro site? Strange, had no idea what the heck they were talking about, but I think I am assumed going to he%#

I think it is fair to say this church has taken on a fanatical thinking?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cartfly on April 08, 2009, 11:58:38 PM
This happened in my state:

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PONCHATOULA, La. —  From his tire store next door, Donald Moore got an up-close look at the strange changes that went on at the once-bustling Hosanna Church (search).
For one thing, the congregation had dwindled to a handful of reclusive members who chased away visitors. For another, the windows were painted white so no one could see in. And just before it closed its doors for good a couple of years ago, eight dump trucks came in and spread dirt over the church's back lot.
Last month, the suspicions played out in a way that almost no one in this southeastern Louisiana town of 5,000 could have imagined: Nine people, including the pastor, his wife and a sheriff's deputy were accused of engaging in cult-like sexual activity with children and animals inside the hall of worship. Eight now face child rape charges that could bring the death penalty.
"You can't believe something like that was going on right under our own feet," Moore said.
Authorities said witnesses have described the use of robes, pentagrams on the church floor, sex with a dog and the sacrifice of cats. The alleged victims, suspected to number up to two dozen, include children ranging from infants to young teens — some of them the offspring of those accused.
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"I've been a prosecutor in some rape cases and child molestation cases, but I've never had a group accused of doing anything like this," said Tangipahoa Parish (search) Sheriff Daniel Edwards, a former state prosecutor.
Investigators believe the abuse began in 1999 and continued until the church closed in 2003. But it was not until a woman called from Ohio in April, saying she had fled to protect her child, that police claim they had even an inkling of what was happening.
About the same time, the church's pastor, 45-year-old Louis Lamonica (search), walked into the neighboring Livingston Parish sheriff's office, sat down and, according to investigators, named names and detailed activities inside the church.
Lamonica was arrested, followed by eight others authorities described as central members of the ring. All but one are being held without bond. Even the tipster from Ohio, Nicole Bernard (search), was arrested on rape charges along with her ex-husband.
Edwards said the group apparently had an effective formula for escaping detection: the use of a church, a close-knit relationship between the members and victims unlikely to report abuse to authorities.
"They were very secretive and very good about keeping a secret," Edwards said.
Lamonica's attorney, Michael Thiel, did not return calls from The Associated Press but had said previously that the charges had been sensationalized and would not hold up in court.
"Generally, I believe there's been a rush to judge based on conjecture, rumors and leaks to the media," Thiel told The Advocate of Baton Rouge.
Edwards stopped short of saying the cult consisted of devil-worshippers but said some of the defendants told investigators that "devil worship was the reason for their participation." Edwards added that defendants and witnesses also gave statements saying a dog was sexually abused and at least two cats were sacrificed.
Authorities seized two dozen computers, which the FBI is checking. Sheets and carpeting were taken from the church for DNA tests. Officers spent several days digging in the back of the church, but haven't said if anything significant was found.
After Bernard was arrested, police in Ohio said they searched a storage unit and found mattresses, videos and nine garbage bags full of costumes.
Lamonica and his wife, Robbin, also face allegations of having sex with children in their home.
A state grand jury is scheduled to start hearing evidence June 24.
U.S. Attorney Jim Letten of New Orleans would say only that federal authorities are aiding the state investigation. He refused to say what federal charges, if any, might be filed.
At one time, Hosanna Church was one of the many thriving churches, of all denominations, in and around Ponchatoula, a town of antique shops that is the host of Louisiana's annual strawberry festival.
Founded by Lamonica's now-deceased father, Hosanna once boasted of 1,000 members and had a private school through the sixth grade. Moore sent his son to the church's preschool during the 1990s.
Now, a message on the church's highway sign says: "I went here K-4. You let us down."
Glynn Fendlason served as pastor of the church, then known as First Assembly of God, from 1982 to 1989, following the elder Lamonica's death. The active membership dispensed thousands of meals to the poor and elderly.
Fendlason said the younger Lamonica, while his father was pastor, was a "good fellow" who played bass guitar, taught Sunday school and worked with youth groups. Some of the other defendants also were active in the church.
After Fendlason resigned as pastor, he said he stayed out of the church's business for fear of disrupting the congregation, but heard that Lamonica, who became pastor in 1994, excommunicated many members, including members of his own family, and increasingly made the church more isolated.
"We all knew something wasn't right," Fendlason said. "Not something like this, though."
One of those taken into custody was Christopher Labat, a deputy who is now jailed on aggravated rape and malfeasance charges.
Bruce Dapprich, a former sheriff's deputy who patrolled with Labat, said the arrested ex-deputy had been a volunteer firefighter, an emergency medical technician and a reserve deputy before being hired full time by the sheriff's office.
"He seemed real Christian," Dapprich said. "He never cursed. When we went out to eat, he'd bow his head and say his prayers."
No matter what turns out in court, Fendlason said he believes "there will be another day" for the now-empty church building.
"I believe in the redemptive power of the Lord to make a positive of that situation," he said. "I don't believe the devil will obtain a victory."
 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 08, 2009, 11:59:53 PM
Go to this page

http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/church1.html

and click on New Hampshire Confessions of Faith.

Then at the very bottom of that page is the link to

http://teampyro.blogspot.com/

It says Pyromaniacs.  I guess it is supposed to mean they are on fire for God or something? 

I'm just a simple little Catholic girl who does as told at Church and I don't know anything about this kind of thing.  Maybe this is unique to a very small segment of the population perhaps?


Will someone please take a look at this page and share your thoughts.  I have no idea what kind of ministry this is discussing.  Is it a site for churches that are losing their congregation maybe?  Is this the person who wrote their Declaration of Faith?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyromania

Pyromania, a type of mania, is an impulse to deliberately start fires to relieve tension and typically includes feelings of gratification or relief afterward. Pyromania is distinct from arson, and pyromaniacs are also distinct from those who start fires because of psychosis, for personal, monetary or political gain, or for acts of revenge. Pyromaniacs start fires to induce euphoria, and often tend to fixate on institutions of fire control like fire stations and firefighters.

Boths sites belong to:  Phil Johnson


http://teampyro.blogspot.com/

http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/bio.htm



This explains the Pyro stuff aka F.I.R.E

http://www.firefellowship.org/download/constitution.pdf

Fellowship of Independent Reformed Evangelicals
Expressing Unity, Liberty, and Charity


What is FIRE?
F I R E is a unifying network for independent Reformed (and Reforming) baptistic churches to experience mutual edification, fellowship, cooperation and prayerful support in ministries and missions.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Edward on April 09, 2009, 12:00:05 AM
errr did  you monkeys catch this too??

Quote
According to a neighbor across the street there aren't many more than 15 parishioners.  The neighbor said she went there one Sunday and people looked at her walking in like she was a ghost.  Something is up with that church.


Quote
15 search warrants served.  We don't even know about some of them.
     ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Anna on April 09, 2009, 12:04:52 AM
Go to this page

http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/church1.html

and click on New Hampshire Confessions of Faith.

Then at the very bottom of that page is the link to

http://teampyro.blogspot.com/

It says Pyromaniacs.  I guess it is supposed to mean they are on fire for God or something? 

I'm just a simple little Catholic girl who does as told at Church and I don't know anything about this kind of thing.  Maybe this is unique to a very small segment of the population perhaps?


Will someone please take a look at this page and share your thoughts.  I have no idea what kind of ministry this is discussing.  Is it a site for churches that are losing their congregation maybe?  Is this the person who wrote their Declaration of Faith?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyromania

Pyromania, a type of mania, is an impulse to deliberately start fires to relieve tension and typically includes feelings of gratification or relief afterward. Pyromania is distinct from arson, and pyromaniacs are also distinct from those who start fires because of psychosis, for personal, monetary or political gain, or for acts of revenge. Pyromaniacs start fires to induce euphoria, and often tend to fixate on institutions of fire control like fire stations and firefighters.

Boths sites belong to:  Phil Johnson


http://teampyro.blogspot.com/

http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/bio.htm



This explains the Pyro stuff aka F.I.R.E

http://www.firefellowship.org/download/constitution.pdf

Fellowship of Independent Reformed Evangelicals
Expressing Unity, Liberty, and Charity


What is FIRE?
F I R E is a unifying network for independent Reformed (and Reforming) baptistic churches to experience mutual edification, fellowship, cooperation and prayerful support in ministries and missions.



Thank you, Klaas.

While their motives may be quite good, that is definitely an unfortunate
analogy and acronym.  Surely the could have named it something less threatening.

Well, to each his own I guess.

Goodnite again!



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Searching on April 09, 2009, 12:07:10 AM
My dear searching, I didn't know-
My deepest condolences.
B

Thank you Blink. My prayer for mercy on dad must have been heard. It hurts but his suffering is over.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 09, 2009, 12:10:45 AM
Cartfly that story is chilling? What is wrong with some people??? How could any of that happen in the name of religion?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Searching on April 09, 2009, 12:11:59 AM
If this has already been posted, my apologies...

Some criticize Calif. police in missing girl case

TRACY, Calif. – Police called the disappearance of 8-year-old Sandra Cantu a missing persons case, not an abduction, for 10 days — until some farm workers drained an irrigation pond and found her body stuffed in a suitcase. Some residents and a law-enforcement expert say authorities in Tracy should have publicly expressed more urgency about the case and warned of the danger that could be lurking in their Northern California community.

But police say that despite their initial uncertainty about Sandra's fate, they did everything they could, scouring the area, calling in reinforcements and exploring theories from dealing with a runaway to looking for a kidnapper.

"Until we had an indication that Sandra had been killed, we were treating this as a missing persons case," said Tracy police spokesman Sgt. Tony Sheneman.

"We had no indication of an abduction," he said. "We wanted to be as careful as possible."

Sandra's body was found Monday a few miles from her home. Police have interviewed hundreds of people and served more than 15 search warrants, including one at a local church, but say they have no suspects so far.

An autopsy on the girl has been completed, but results will not be available for several weeks, a coroner's spokesman said Wednesday. Officials declined to discuss any preliminary findings.

Hundreds of volunteers and police searched for the girl and pictures of her smiling face were posted all over town, but some wonder if a different approach by police might have made a difference. Three days after she was last seen, Sheneman had expressed confidence that she was "alive and well."

"If it would have been my daughter, I would've wanted everyone watching, everyone to be suspicious," said Ana Morales, 24, a mother of two who on Wednesday visited a sprawling makeshift memorial for Sandra outside the mobile home park where she lived.

"We always had the sense that she was going to be OK," she said. "(Police) statements were a little misleading — their statements led us to believe they knew something about how she was doing."

Her brother, Luis Morales, 27, chalked it up to inexperience: "This usually happens in large cities, not in small towns like this."

Sheneman acknowledged that "we've never handled a missing persons case such as this." But officials say city police quickly asked for help, calling in the San Joaquin Sheriff's Department, other neighboring law enforcement and the FBI.

Hours after Sandra's family reported her missing the evening of March 27, the city opened its emergency operations center, normally reserved for earthquakes and fires, according to city spokesman Matt Robinson.

Police say they never issued an Amber Alert because they had no information on a suspect or mode of transportation connected to an abduction, which is normally required for the alert.

Joseph Pollini, deputy chair of the law and police science department at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York, said he disagreed with that decision.

"Even if it's just some nuance of information, we still want to get that out there," said Pollini, who headed the kidnapping and cold-case homicide units during his 33 years with the New York Police Department.

With time a crucial factor in recovering an abducted child, publicizing a physical description of Sandra as broadly and quickly as possible would have made sense, Pollini said.

"It's not like it's going to cost a lot of money to put the transmission over the air," he said. "You're still dealing with a life."

Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, defended Tracy police's handling of the search for the missing girl and said they made the right call in not issuing the Amber Alert. Broadcasting an alert with only a physical description is not an appropriate use of the system, he said.

"The response of the Tracy police in this case was swift and serious. It's hard to imagine what else they could have done," said Allen, whose organization's hotline received hundreds of tips regarding Sandra's disappearance.

Joined by some of Sandra's relatives outside the mobile home complex, the girl's uncle Joe Chavez told reporters Wednesday that he wanted to see whoever was responsible get the death penalty.

"It's complete innocence taken for absolutely no reason," Chavez said.

"When that word came in (the girl's body was found), I heard screams that I'd never heard come out of human beings before," he said. "Primal screams of love and fear like the worst horror movie you could ever watch."

Pollini, who is not involved in the investigation, said based on what has been publicly disclosed, it appears Sandra's killer fits a "disorganized" profile — someone lacking in intelligence who would commit a crime close to home and dump the victim's body nearby.

Police would be searching for footprints, tire prints and broken vegetation leading to and from the pond, he said. They would also examine suspects for traces of mud or dirt from the scene.

"As long as you have the resources, tenacity and the time, every case is solvable," he said.

Robinson, the city spokesman, said he understood public frustration over the lack of answers but urged patience.

"This is a town in which we protect our own. We had an unsuccessful ending with Sandra, and that's going to eat at people," he said. "Now the next step is letting police do their jobs."

LINK (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090409/ap_on_re_us/girl_in_suitcase)


and I wonder when they had an indication she had been killed??


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 09, 2009, 12:17:07 AM
My dear searching, I didn't know-
My deepest condolences.
B

Thank you Blink. My prayer for mercy on dad must have been heard. It hurts but his suffering is over.

Searching I can only assume you lost your father recently. Please accept my condolences as well. Our parents never really leave us. Once a parent, always a parent, it never ends. They are always there to guide us...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: spring2 on April 09, 2009, 12:21:04 AM
One question I have.  Especially if she was killed at the church.

If they had brought the dogs in that evening, would the dogs have taken them to the church?  She may have still been alive at that point  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Searching on April 09, 2009, 12:23:20 AM
My dear searching, I didn't know-
My deepest condolences.
B

Thank you Blink. My prayer for mercy on dad must have been heard. It hurts but his suffering is over.

Searching I can only assume you lost your father recently. Please accept my condolences as well. Our parents never really leave us. Once a parent, always a parent, it never ends. They are always there to guide us...

Thank you Tracygirl. He passed away shortly before 2 a.m Monday. I really do not even know what day I am on at this point. I got home from taking care of things at the funeral home and hospice to find out about Sandra. Did not think my heart could break any more then it was already,but it did. Poor girl.. I hope they get the sick POS that did that to her.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Searching on April 09, 2009, 12:24:55 AM
One question I have.  Especially if she was killed at the church.

If they had brought the dogs in that evening, would the dogs have taken them to the church?  She may have still been alive at that point  ::MonkeyWaa::

Oh my... I did not think of that...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cartfly on April 09, 2009, 12:34:53 AM
Cartfly that story is chilling? What is wrong with some people??? How could any of that happen in the name of religion?

I get nauseous just thinking about something like that happening anywhere. This story is almost to shocking to be believed. I do not understand either how anything this heinous could be in the name of religion. I think the perps (I would have to look it up to confirm) were convicted. In my opinion, they should have gotten the death penalty, just my honest opinion.   


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Tracygirl on April 09, 2009, 12:36:34 AM
My dear searching, I didn't know-
My deepest condolences.
B

Thank you Blink. My prayer for mercy on dad must have been heard. It hurts but his suffering is over.

Searching I can only assume you lost your father recently. Please accept my condolences as well. Our parents never really leave us. Once a parent, always a parent, it never ends. They are always there to guide us...

Thank you Tracygirl. He passed away shortly before 2 a.m Monday. I really do not even know what day I am on at this point. I got home from taking care of things at the funeral home and hospice to find out about Sandra. Did not think my heart could break any more then it was already,but it did. Poor girl.. I hope they get the sick POS that did that to her.

((((((((hugs)))))))) what a tough week it has been for you and here you sit helping with this case. I bet you made your dad so proud. I know it doesn't seem like it now, but you will get through this. Each day, week, month and year will get a bit easier. Pretty soon your tears and pain will be replaced with a complete understanding of your relationship with your dad. 

I am going to bed now, good night everyone and thank you so much for all of your efforts in this case.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 09, 2009, 12:39:30 AM
http://www.sgmsurvivors.com/

About Sandra Cantu and Tracy’s Clover Road Baptist Church

Posted By Kris On April 7, 2009 @ 8:59 pm In Sovereign Grace Ministries | Comments Disabled

This is just a quick news flash that is completely unrelated to the topics normally discussed here.

We’ve been getting quite a few hits today from a site called Websleuths [1], where, in a discussion about the sad case of the murder of 8-year-old Sandra Cantu, someone linked to our site as background information about Clover Road Baptist Church in Tracy, California.  Clover Road Baptist Church has been reported as being investigated in connection with the Sandra Cantu case.

The individual who linked to this site on Websleuths inaccurately posted that Clover Road Baptist Church is a church affiliated with Sovereign Grace Ministries.

Clover Road Baptist Church is NOT affiliated with Sovereign Grace Ministries in any way.

The confusion likely resulted from information posted on Clover Road Baptist’s own website, where a section about the church’s history mentions a merger with another church that had been called ”Sovereign Grace Church.”

Neither that church nor Clover Road Baptist has EVER been affiliated with Sovereign Grace Ministries, however.

(Comments are closed.)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 09, 2009, 12:47:15 AM

Sheneman: No official report of missing luggage at either LE dept. BUT, when asked if they have discussed it in interviews he said "no comment".

Family did not want cash donations to avoid the appearance of profiting off Sandra being missing. (NOTE TO OTHERS: THIS IS HOW YOU ACT WHEN YOUR CHILD IS MISSING/MURDERED)

video of Sandra's family, her aunt confirms that they were NOT members of the pastors church...

her uncle, you can see his anger...one of the reporters had the nerve to ask them "why" they think Sandra has touched people and his response paraphrased was if you saw that video and you see her skipping carefree and then taken. direct quote "innocence taken, doesn't that touch you?"

quote of the day goes to her uncle
"let's find that bad apple and pluck em."

http://cbs13.com/video/?id=51721@cbslocal.dayport.com

I have been so touched by him, on a few occasions, he is raw emotion, good, bad, or indifferent.
B


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 09, 2009, 12:49:56 AM
Nite my friends.
FWIW, if she had been killed at the church, there would be no need for the suitcase, imo.
B


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: clarice on April 09, 2009, 01:20:28 AM
It was said on the local news a few minutes ago that the KIA suv may be involved in the crime. The owner of the vehicle is the grand daughter of the Pastor. I have not read this thread and this may be old news to you but I thought I would mention it anyway....Channel 2 San Francisco.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: clarice on April 09, 2009, 01:21:07 AM
That is Channel 2 Oakland...sorry


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: leslee on April 09, 2009, 01:25:32 AM
One question I have.  Especially if she was killed at the church.

If they had brought the dogs in that evening, would the dogs have taken them to the church?  She may have still been alive at that point  ::MonkeyWaa::

Oh my... I did not think of that...

There was a news report maybe HLN? Where a defense atty ( Talking head) said the dogs were not brought until the next day...when Sandras scent would have been gone. I thought dogs could track scent days, weeks years later. Any dog handlers out there want to respond? Does anybody know WHERE the dogs went the next day?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: clarice on April 09, 2009, 01:26:05 AM
Link to Channel 2 Oakland

http://www.ktvu.com/video/19132732/index.html


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 09, 2009, 01:33:22 AM
It was said on the local news a few minutes ago that the KIA suv may be involved in the crime. The owner of the vehicle is the grand daughter of the Pastor. I have not read this thread and this may be old news to you but I thought I would mention it anyway....Channel 2 San Francisco.

Thanks Clarice!  There was something posted earlier about it but maybe they are looking at it closer now or they found evidence?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: k9ohana on April 09, 2009, 01:51:22 AM
It was said on the local news a few minutes ago that the KIA suv may be involved in the crime. The owner of the vehicle is the grand daughter of the Pastor. I have not read this thread and this may be old news to you but I thought I would mention it anyway....Channel 2 San Francisco.
OK, so this is the pastors granddaughter so is she the mother of the GG who played with Sandra?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: clarice on April 09, 2009, 02:12:26 AM
I don't know....wish I did.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: clarice on April 09, 2009, 02:21:26 AM
I have been trying to track down this church.....and I don't think it is a good idea to go there... ::MonkeyEek::

Since it was mentioned about the city of Mountain View and this church (..cough) Cannot locate the street. Mountain View sits smack in the middle of Silicon Valley...can't even imagine this church style working there.

It looks like the park where the family lives may have a large Hispanic population and they are notoriiously Catholic. This church does not resemble any church that I have ever seen...and by the readings, I don't want to. I was worried I was going to get a computer virus from viewing the pages.. ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: clarice on April 09, 2009, 02:48:38 AM
K9...you are right about the relationship, I believe Sandra played with his great grand daughter.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: CarolynV on April 09, 2009, 02:58:03 AM
Hello all.  I grew up in two different Baptist churches and even the small Baptist Church I went to had 100 people in it, a hundred regulars, not counting the Christmas and Easter bunch.

I remember all of the pastors as being very outgoing and friendly, and they would welcome newcomers and certainly not make them feel unwelcome, they'd even make you stand up and introduce yourselves, ask you to come back, send a card to your house, etc.  If you walked into the church you could clearly see who the pastor was, they wouldn't be hiding behind a deacon.

I'm wondering how much they could really make off of a rummage sale with 15 members? How would they even afford the overhead for the church?  Did the other pastors think it odd that he would not meet them for breakfast?

Good luck monkeys, I hope we get answers soon.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: ChihuahuaMom on April 09, 2009, 07:10:01 AM
Hello all.  I grew up in two different Baptist churches and even the small Baptist Church I went to had 100 people in it, a hundred regulars, not counting the Christmas and Easter bunch.

I remember all of the pastors as being very outgoing and friendly, and they would welcome newcomers and certainly not make them feel unwelcome, they'd even make you stand up and introduce yourselves, ask you to come back, send a card to your house, etc.  If you walked into the church you could clearly see who the pastor was, they wouldn't be hiding behind a deacon.

I'm wondering how much they could really make off of a rummage sale with 15 members? How would they even afford the overhead for the church?  Did the other pastors think it odd that he would not meet them for breakfast?

Good luck monkeys, I hope we get answers soon.

I was wondering the same about the rummage sale. I was also wondering about the church's tax records and who pays the utilities at the church?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: clarice on April 09, 2009, 07:36:05 AM
Concerning Lawless...From what I could tell, doesn't look like lights are on much in that structure ( I hesitate to call it that)This Baptist Church is not the type of Baptist we are familiar with. When I checked out his degree in Salinas...no school, no students but he was given this honor many years ago by AA Harris who happened to be his father-in-law.

Every church I checked out that he gave and pastors from them have vanished or never really had a "church" with a building like we are accostumed . He may have been in an office space on Alabama because there was a suite #. He moved around alot. I am presently checking "Mountain View" because it is close and I am nosey....lol..so far no luck finding a street called Alabama but I know people who work in MV so maybe they can help.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Blink34 on April 09, 2009, 08:45:51 AM
Concerning Lawless...From what I could tell, doesn't look like lights are on much in that structure ( I hesitate to call it that)This Baptist Church is not the type of Baptist we are familiar with. When I checked out his degree in Salinas...no school, no students but he was given this honor many years ago by AA Harris who happened to be his father-in-law.

Every church I checked out that he gave and pastors from them have vanished or never really had a "church" with a building like we are accostumed . He may have been in an office space on Alabama because there was a suite #. He moved around alot. I am presently checking "Mountain View" because it is close and I am nosey....lol..so far no luck finding a street called Alabama but I know people who work in MV so maybe they can help.

Clarice, awesome to have another local on here, please let us know what you find out..
I cannot find squat on Lawless in Washington, he would have been almost 30 when coming to CA, that is odd. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: flossy on April 09, 2009, 09:03:27 AM
Good morning, Monkeys.  I have to agree with the skepticism about the rummage sale (that probably never was).  I can't help but think it's a load of b.s. 

I have only been able to pop in and out lately, so I might have missed it, but has anyone been able to dig up anything in regards to Lane's father-in-law's beliefs and practices? 

I'm thinking that suitcase was dumped elsewhere just to avoid anyone connecting it to the "church".   It's odd that they didn't take it further away, but I don't think we're dealing with the sharpest tool in the shed here.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: flossy on April 09, 2009, 09:12:08 AM
Welcome, Clarice!  Thanks for being here and sharing your info and thoughts. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Monken on April 09, 2009, 09:40:54 AM
Concerning Lawless...From what I could tell, doesn't look like lights are on much in that structure ( I hesitate to call it that)This Baptist Church is not the type of Baptist we are familiar with. When I checked out his degree in Salinas...no school, no students but he was given this honor many years ago by AA Harris who happened to be his father-in-law.

Every church I checked out that he gave and pastors from them have vanished or never really had a "church" with a building like we are accostumed . He may have been in an office space on Alabama because there was a suite #. He moved around alot. I am presently checking "Mountain View" because it is close and I am nosey....lol..so far no luck finding a street called Alabama but I know people who work in MV so maybe they can help.

Clarice, awesome to have another local on here, please let us know what you find out..
I cannot find squat on Lawless in Washington, he would have been almost 30 when coming to CA, that is odd. 


Blink, from what I've found this preacher had alot of aliases
Also, this church is based on Baptist principles found in the New Hampshire confessions of faith. Hope this helps!



I found this on another site  ::MonkeyRoll::

If this has already been posted...sorry
I haven't been able to read through the threads much the past couple of days, I just scan through and I remembered seeing that the preacher man had several alias' but I couldn't locate then until now.

Alias’ for the preacher man
Clane Lawless
Clifford L Lawless
Clifford Lane Lawless
Cliford L Lawless
Lane C Lawless
Lane P Lawless
Clifford L Alwless

Former residences of the preacher man
Tracy , CA
Livermore , CA
Hawthorne , CA
San Jose , CA
Milpitas , CA
__________________



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 09, 2009, 09:49:35 AM
http://www.sgmsurvivors.com/

About Sandra Cantu and Tracy’s Clover Road Baptist Church

Posted By Kris On April 7, 2009 @ 8:59 pm In Sovereign Grace Ministries | Comments Disabled

This is just a quick news flash that is completely unrelated to the topics normally discussed here.

We’ve been getting quite a few hits today from a site called Websleuths [1], where, in a discussion about the sad case of the murder of 8-year-old Sandra Cantu, someone linked to our site as background information about Clover Road Baptist Church in Tracy, California.  Clover Road Baptist Church has been reported as being investigated in connection with the Sandra Cantu case.

The individual who linked to this site on Websleuths inaccurately posted that Clover Road Baptist Church is a church affiliated with Sovereign Grace Ministries.

Clover Road Baptist Church is NOT affiliated with Sovereign Grace Ministries in any way.

The confusion likely resulted from information posted on Clover Road Baptist’s own website, where a section about the church’s history mentions a merger with another church that had been called ”Sovereign Grace Church.”

Neither that church nor Clover Road Baptist has EVER been affiliated with Sovereign Grace Ministries, however.

(Comments are closed.)

Good Morning   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 09, 2009, 09:51:12 AM
It was said on the local news a few minutes ago that the KIA suv may be involved in the crime. The owner of the vehicle is the grand daughter of the Pastor. I have not read this thread and this may be old news to you but I thought I would mention it anyway....Channel 2 San Francisco.
Wow, thanks.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: ChihuahuaMom on April 09, 2009, 09:59:28 AM
Concerning Lawless...From what I could tell, doesn't look like lights are on much in that structure ( I hesitate to call it that)This Baptist Church is not the type of Baptist we are familiar with. When I checked out his degree in Salinas...no school, no students but he was given this honor many years ago by AA Harris who happened to be his father-in-law.

Every church I checked out that he gave and pastors from them have vanished or never really had a "church" with a building like we are accostumed . He may have been in an office space on Alabama because there was a suite #. He moved around alot. I am presently checking "Mountain View" because it is close and I am nosey....lol..so far no luck finding a street called Alabama but I know people who work in MV so maybe they can help.

Salinas? wow my son lives there, I am from Montery County but have lived in the deep south for 13 yrs now

good luck with your search..there are so many "church" groups in Calif, it is mind boggling......also try Southern Calif, a ton of them down that way too.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 09, 2009, 10:05:39 AM
Blink....if you don't mind my asking, what is your opinion on who/what is going on with this case, investigation? who do you think is involved and what was the reason for taking her and murdering her... you don't have to name names, just your theory would be much appreciated..If you are not comfortable with answering at this time, I understand...
thanks...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: goodnmad on April 09, 2009, 10:06:26 AM
Morning all. It will be interesting to see how the church and pastor are involved. (And I believe they are.)

When I first saw his pic -- I believe Klaas posted it -- my feeling was not good. Very uneasy.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Monken on April 09, 2009, 10:09:52 AM
KLAAS, PLEASE FIX THAT BIG AZZ PIC I POSTED IN THE CAYLEE THREAD, I EVEN RESIZED IT AND EVERYTHING AND IT STILL IS HUGE!!!!!!!!  ::MonkeyWaa:: THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 09, 2009, 10:12:22 AM
Morning all. It will be interesting to see how the church and pastor are involved. (And I believe they are.)

When I first saw his pic -- I believe Klaas posted it -- my feeling was not good. Very uneasy.

Lane Lawless

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/lawsonincar.jpg)

Connie Lawless

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/ConnieLawless.jpg)

Fred Williams (reported the luggage stolen - but LE says no stolen luggage report)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/FredWilliamsVideo.jpg)


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: goodnmad on April 09, 2009, 10:22:14 AM
Sometihng is WRONG with this picture. Someone says luggage was stolen AFTER they learn the body was in a suitcase.

The "lady" doth protest too much.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: JOLfan on April 09, 2009, 10:25:19 AM
Thank you Monkey Friends for all your hard work and research on this case.  I have been reading, praying and mourning right along with you all. 

I wish just once (although more would be nice) when we open one of these missing child boards we can end it before 100 pages with a
happy ending.  I really need a happy ending one and awhile. 

Press on Monkeys!! 




Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 09, 2009, 10:25:50 AM
Sometihng is WRONG with this picture. Someone says luggage was stolen AFTER they learn the body was in a suitcase.

The "lady" doth protest too much.

Goodnmad - LE has said there was NO report of stolen luggage.  Fred Williams is FOS, the question is why?


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: cookie on April 09, 2009, 10:26:35 AM
almost ready for a clean cage...


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: goodnmad on April 09, 2009, 10:37:53 AM
Sometihng is WRONG with this picture. Someone says luggage was stolen AFTER they learn the body was in a suitcase.

The "lady" doth protest too much.

Goodnmad - LE has said there was NO report of stolen luggage.  Fred Williams is FOS, the question is why?

IMO he is covering for himself AND for the pastor and church. Yes, why?



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 09, 2009, 10:50:57 AM
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090408/A_NEWS/904080341

Hunt for girl's killer focuses on pastor

By Daniel Thigpen
Record Staff Writer
April 08, 2009 6:00 AM

TRACY - Investigators stayed mostly quiet about how close they were to finding Sandra Cantu's killer Tuesday, the day after the 8-year-old girl's body was discovered in a suitcase floating in a nearby pond.

Authorities focused on a small church and its pastor, who lives down the block from Sandra's family. Medical examiners continued their autopsy of the little girl.

But much as they did in the 10 days of searching before Monday's horrifying discovery, police reported bits and pieces of activity while providing only vague indications of their progress.

That's despite authorities' having interviewed hundreds of people, executing at least 10 search warrants and searching several homes, including some inside the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, where Sandra was last seen alive.

"We are heading in a direction," Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman said. "To comment on that would compromise the investigation."

Sandra disappeared March 27 after playing with a friend down the street. Despite a massive hunt, she was not found until farm workers draining an irrigation pond about two miles northeast of the mobile home park spotted a large suitcase floating in the water. Sandra's body was inside.

With a homicide investigation now before them, FBI agents and Tracy police late Monday raided the home of Lane Lawless, who lives just doors down from Sandra's family and is pastor of the tiny Clover Road Baptist Church about 100 yards away.

On Tuesday, authorities searched the church, which was roped off with yellow police tape for hours.

Lawless is one of at least four men who have been questioned and had their homes searched since Sandra disappeared, but none has been named as a suspect or been arrested.

The pastor was swarmed by reporters Tuesday as he drove by the church with his wife, Connie. He said police questioned him for three hours Monday night. Connie Lawless said their great-granddaughter played with Sandra and said the couple were cooperating fully with police.

Investigators took phones and a computer, among other items, from their home, she said.

"We're very open to them taking whatever they want," she said. "We feel the more people they can eliminate (as suspects), the quicker they will be able to get to the truth."

Connie Lawless said they had nothing to do with the girl's abduction.

The church's Web site says Lane Lawless has been pastor of the Tracy church since 1981. He and his wife have three grown children and nine grandchildren, according to the Web site.

Neighbors along Clover Road said they knew little about the church and said there is rarely activity there.

Meanwhile, an autopsy has yet to yield clues to how Sandra died, Sheneman said. He could not say how long the examination will take.

The police spokesman also provided no information about the origins of the suitcase, its condition or how it was sealed.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Contact reporter Daniel Thigpen at (209) 546-8254 or dthigpen@recordnet.com.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 09, 2009, 10:53:13 AM
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090409/A_NEWS/904090335

(http://images.recordnet.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=SR&Date=20090409&Category=A_NEWS&ArtNo=904090335&Ref=AR&border=0&Q=80&maxW=600)

'Roller coaster' of anger, sorrow
Sandra Cantu's family says emotions 'very raw' with killer still on loose


By Daniel Thigpen
Record Staff Writer
April 09, 2009 6:00 AM

TRACY - When Sandra Cantu disappeared, her loved ones spent 10 unbearable days hoping for her safe return. For the past three, they have struggled to accept that will never happen.

For the slain 8-year-old's family, the emotions vacillate among extremes. Anger that Sandra's killer is still walking free. Comfort in the colossal show of support from their town. Grief that will not subside.

"If you've ever experienced a loss, this is about 10 times harder," said Angie Chavez, Sandra's aunt. "Your emotions are very raw. It's like a roller coaster."

They will never get their cheerful Sandra back, so now they yearn for something else:

"Justice - to the full extent of the law," said Jose Chavez, Sandra's grandfather. "If it's the death penalty, that's fine with me. If it's life without parole, that's fine with me. I just don't want him to go free."

If investigators are any closer to finding whoever killed Sandra, they aren't saying.

Police on Wednesday urged patience and said they cannot release details of the mounds of evidence they are collecting because it could hinder the investigation.

"We are working very hard to maintain the integrity of the investigation," Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman said. "We feel a great deal of pressure. We want to find who is responsible for this."

Sandra disappeared March 27 from the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park on West Clover Road. She was last seen heading home after playing with a neighborhood friend.

For days, police maintained optimism they would find her alive and safe, until Monday, when her body was found in a suitcase, floating in an irrigation pond just two miles north of her home.

Sheneman said investigators are still awaiting a report from medical examiners on a cause of death, and he could not provide a timeline.

San Joaquin County Sheriff's Office spokesman Les Garcia said the autopsy has been completed but that an official determination is pending toxicology and tissue sample testing, which could take four to eight weeks. He said the coroner does not release a preliminary cause of death.

Hundreds of people have been interviewed by police since Sandra disappeared almost two weeks ago, but no suspects have been named and no arrests have been made.

On Tuesday, authorities searched a small church down the road from the trailer park where Sandra lived and questioned its pastor, who lives doors down from Sandra's family. He joins a growing list of people who have been questioned or searched in connection with Sandra's disappearance.

Police and FBI agents have served more than 15 search warrants since March 27, Sheneman said Wednesday morning. But later in the afternoon, he said he had been asked to stop commenting on the details of those warrants.

It's unclear when anyone will find out what, if anything, authorities have gleaned from those raids. As judges approve each search warrant, Sheneman said, they also are granting simultaneous requests to keep them sealed.

As many as 100 local, state and federal law enforcement personnel are working the case, including all 25 members of the Tracy Police Department's investigative unit, Sheneman said. Other officers with investigative experience also are being tapped as needed.

Sheneman sought to dispel speculation about the origins of the suitcase that carried Sandra's remains.

He would not confirm any reported links between the suitcase and the mobile home park or a nearby church that was searched Tuesday. Sheneman said investigators have no report of a missing suitcase.

For updates on the case, Sandra's family regularly talks to police, who they praise. The family has turned off the television; watching is too disturbing, the girl's grandfather said.

Since she was found dead, Sandra's family has grieved in private. Her mother, Maria Chavez, and grandmother, Dolores Chavez, were briefly hospitalized Monday night but are recuperating well at home, Jose Chavez said.

"We're holding up," the 67-year-old said. "We're just being supportive of each other."

And the people of Tracy are supporting them in droves. All day Wednesday, hundreds of folks continued to stream to the trailer park's entrance, where a tribute to Sandra - balloons, candles, stuffed animals and handwritten messages - grew by the minute.

Wednesday was the first day Angie Chavez had stopped to look at the moving tribute to her murdered niece.

"It's overwhelming," she said. "The amount of support that we have here is just amazing."

Contact reporter Daniel Thigpen at (209) 546-8254 or dthigpen@recordnet.com.



Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: k9ohana on April 09, 2009, 10:55:28 AM
From the KRON website this morning:

"A retired FBI profiler who specialized in child abduction cases thinks the killer of Sandra Cantu will turn out to be a white man between 25 and 55 years old who knew the eight year old girl. 'We've seen them a little younger and we've seen them older,' Candace DeLong told KRON 4's Vicki Liviakis.  'It's someone who is known to the victim.  Rarely are these types of crimes, the abduction and murder of a child, a complete stranger to the child.' DeLong spent 20 years in the FBI, eventually becoming head field profiler in the Bureau's San Francisco office and as a member of the Child Abduction Task Force.  She says the killer might have left clues including fingerprints on the suitcase in which the remains were found."


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Searching on April 09, 2009, 10:57:12 AM
Hi monkey family... About the church.... We went to a "house church" when those started up in our area back 5 or so years ago. They are quite unique to say the least, but my children loved it and their friends attended as well,so as long as the friends were there,I allowed them to go.. It was a "church" for crying out loud,should not have to worry bout my children in church. well... the youth pastor molested my daughter.. still waiting for that to go to court.. but anyway, maybe it is one of those house churches... this one rented a small building and had about 20 members...

http://www.hccentral.com/

information on house churches at that link.

oh and my sons will not set foot in a church now since that happened...just a side note. I think they need to do away with the house churches.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 09, 2009, 10:59:09 AM
Hi monkey family... About the church.... We went to a "house church" when those started up in our area back 5 or so years ago. They are quite unique to say the least, but my children loved it and their friends attended as well,so as long as the friends were there,I allowed them to go.. It was a "church" for crying out loud,should not have to worry bout my children in church. well... the youth pastor molested my daughter.. still waiting for that to go to court.. but anyway, maybe it is one of those house churches... this one rented a small building and had about 20 members...

http://www.hccentral.com/

information on house churches at that link.

oh and my sons will not set foot in a church now since that happened...just a side note. I think they need to do away with the house churches.

Wow Searching, so sorry that happened to your daughter. 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Srobbins on April 09, 2009, 11:01:36 AM
Hi monkey family... About the church.... We went to a "house church" when those started up in our area back 5 or so years ago. They are quite unique to say the least, but my children loved it and their friends attended as well,so as long as the friends were there,I allowed them to go.. It was a "church" for crying out loud,should not have to worry bout my children in church. well... the youth pastor molested my daughter.. still waiting for that to go to court.. but anyway, maybe it is one of those house churches... this one rented a small building and had about 20 members...

http://www.hccentral.com/

information on house churches at that link.

oh and my sons will not set foot in a church now since that happened...just a side note. I think they need to do away with the house churches.


OMG! I am so sorry for that to happen to your daughter!  Is he still walking free? 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: JOLfan on April 09, 2009, 11:04:06 AM
Hi monkey family... About the church.... We went to a "house church" when those started up in our area back 5 or so years ago. They are quite unique to say the least, but my children loved it and their friends attended as well,so as long as the friends were there,I allowed them to go.. It was a "church" for crying out loud,should not have to worry bout my children in church. well... the youth pastor molested my daughter.. still waiting for that to go to court.. but anyway, maybe it is one of those house churches... this one rented a small building and had about 20 members...

http://www.hccentral.com/

information on house churches at that link.

oh and my sons will not set foot in a church now since that happened...just a side note. I think they need to do away with the house churches.

Searching I am sorry your daughter had to go through that.  I hope he gets what he deserves! 


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: Searching on April 09, 2009, 11:05:21 AM
Hi monkey family... About the church.... We went to a "house church" when those started up in our area back 5 or so years ago. They are quite unique to say the least, but my children loved it and their friends attended as well,so as long as the friends were there,I allowed them to go.. It was a "church" for crying out loud,should not have to worry bout my children in church. well... the youth pastor molested my daughter.. still waiting for that to go to court.. but anyway, maybe it is one of those house churches... this one rented a small building and had about 20 members...

http://www.hccentral.com/

information on house churches at that link.

oh and my sons will not set foot in a church now since that happened...just a side note. I think they need to do away with the house churches.


OMG! I am so sorry for that to happen to your daughter!  Is he still walking free? 

Thank you both you and Klaas. Yes, he is still walking free..was deemed incompetent to stand trial a week before it was to start,yet he is ok to go make a baby with another girl that was 16...go figure.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 09, 2009, 11:09:34 AM
Hi monkey family... About the church.... We went to a "house church" when those started up in our area back 5 or so years ago. They are quite unique to say the least, but my children loved it and their friends attended as well,so as long as the friends were there,I allowed them to go.. It was a "church" for crying out loud,should not have to worry bout my children in church. well... the youth pastor molested my daughter.. still waiting for that to go to court.. but anyway, maybe it is one of those house churches... this one rented a small building and had about 20 members...

http://www.hccentral.com/

information on house churches at that link.

oh and my sons will not set foot in a church now since that happened...just a side note. I think they need to do away with the house churches.

Wow Searching, so sorry that happened to your daughter. 
Me too Searching, I'm thinking about you, take care. And thanks to everyone for the updates.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: k9ohana on April 09, 2009, 11:10:31 AM
Hi monkey family... About the church.... We went to a "house church" when those started up in our area back 5 or so years ago. They are quite unique to say the least, but my children loved it and their friends attended as well,so as long as the friends were there,I allowed them to go.. It was a "church" for crying out loud,should not have to worry bout my children in church. well... the youth pastor molested my daughter.. still waiting for that to go to court.. but anyway, maybe it is one of those house churches... this one rented a small building and had about 20 members...

http://www.hccentral.com/

information on house churches at that link.

oh and my sons will not set foot in a church now since that happened...just a side note. I think they need to do away with the house churches.
Searching I am so sorry.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 09, 2009, 11:12:11 AM
Of the three pics posted the pastor, his wife, and Williams, I hate to say this, but the wife really has me freaked out. There is something in her eyes....


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 09, 2009, 11:12:12 AM
FYI - for those that are new to SM because of this case, we are going to move to a new thread when this one reaches page 100.  Just letting you know now is not the time to be posting a long post cause you might lose it all when I lock the thread on page 100   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: k9ohana on April 09, 2009, 11:13:04 AM
FYI - for those that are new to SM because of this case, we are going to move to a new thread when this one reaches page 100.  Just letting you know now is not the time to be posting a long post cause you might lose it all when I lock the thread on page 100   ::MonkeyWink::
Thanks for the heads up Klaas


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: goodnmad on April 09, 2009, 11:13:52 AM
Of the three pics posted the pastor, his wife, and Williams, I hate to say this, but the wife really has me freaked out. There is something in her eyes....

interesting ... yes, something is not right there ... denial, complicity, shock???

hmmm, makes me wonder about their own kids and grandkids, hate to say it.


Title: Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
Post by: klaasend on April 09, 2009, 11:15:41 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/MODLOCK1.gif)

Please move to Sandra Cantu #2

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4833.0