Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - 4/16/09

[mytime]

Excuse me please..........but we have another Birthday to
celebrate!!  We just keep getting older!! 

Here is the link to CBB's birthday thread!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4842.0

Thank you and I hope you all have a wonder Easter!!

[MuffyBee]

OT

Please go to each thread and wish these two monkeys a Happy Birthday!

CBB's Birthday Thread:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4842.20

Deenie's Birthday Thread:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4843.msg763842#new

[Sleuth]

SAN found that program!  It's frustrating because nobody else is willing to pay for these documents except us.  Others are welcome to view them and post on their websites but copying won't be quite as easy as it was 

Klaasend - you know that you can set the PDF so it can not be copied at all, or can't be printed, etc.  Example below.. 

[texasmom]

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/8296/5/

Papiamentu translation:

tourist owing to become bad y plane have to owing to return aruba

saturday, 11 april 2009 - 16:08

capitan of one plane of united airlines cu owing to end of arise vuelo for of aruba owing to haye is return urgentemente bek for trece one passenger cu owing to become bad abordo. do not conoci kico exactly owing to sosode cu the passenger but have to is algo enough earnest for her capitan dicidi of descend bek at aruba. click read more for more info... the capitan owing to ask toren of control for her return y if the can achieve one ambulance y personal medico for brinda they asistencia. in some minuut the plane owing to ateriza y owing to happen the passenger in hands of the paramediconan abordo of ambulance.

updates: informenan cu 24ora.com owing to ricibi is cu the tourist here not owing to achieve one ataca of curazon, but ela cay flauw, of as cu asistencia medico not was necesario, already cu the same tourist owing to tell cu the does not tratamento medico y for follow cu the viahe for chicago o'hare. come across

[2NJSons_Mom]

    Here's a little tidbit I just found browsing around.  Another familiar surname mentioned, who seems to be one of those shady people in Sharon's sig line.  According to the Chamber of Commerce, he's the sole owner. 

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 Friday, April 3rd, 2009, 08:21 PM 
fluffs 
Junior Member   Join Date: April 1st, 2009
Location: MA
Posts: 8
 
 
 Beware of Real Estate/Rental Agent

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Beware of the real estate or rental agent you do business with. Beware of ABLE REALTY in Aruba. We did business with him. His name is Tony Lejuez. We rented a place,he was the agent, for 3 months and other people had rented for a month He kept all the owner's rents and deposits. We gave him a deposit but fortunetly for us the owners returned it to us (they took the loss). They have filed charges against him with the Aruba police We went with them to the station and the police seemed to know him. They also hired an Aruba lawyer(costing more money) but chances of them getting any of their money doesn't look good. He is still allowed to do business and has been in business on the island for many years. So I don't know how you can judge who is honest and who is not. Perhaps this forum could encourage horror stories such as this to protect others.
 
http://bb.visitaruba.com/f2/beware-real-estate-rental-agent-11601/

[Tamikosmom]

HAPPY EASTER
HAPPY SPRING
HAPPY HAPPY EVERYTHING

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

 

[texasmom]

HAPPY EASTER
HAPPY SPRING
HAPPY HAPPY EVERYTHING

Janet

And the same to you Janet!  

 (((hugs)))

[Lifesong]

I'm working on the timeline and this just caught my eye, I thought was interesting.  I'd never really noticed how different Caps first and second postings of his theory were...


Caps made his first FP post on 12/21 - all about the cemetary and the kelder.
Anonimo posts from 12/22pm - 12/23am
Caps posts again 12/23pm - only this theory has an important new added component:  the shoes.

Actually, Caps' FP post on 12/23 contains a number of additions, but no need to post them all... here is Caps' conclusion to his "theory" on 12/23/2007, before he ever started posting with the "codetalkers":

Conclusion:
the only way the body can be found is to search for the shoes round the edges for the murky pools in Aruba and when the sneaker is found, the body will be there also.

Sure seems to me that Caps did a great job of making Lala's and the rest of the codetalkers believe they were all working together to form a theory, when in actuality they ended up exactly where Caps started.

In addition, if you read both posts in their entirety, he already starts exhonorating the Kalpoe's in the second one.

Reference Links:

12/21/2007
CapslockWizard’s post (Comment #14 – 5:30pm) on SM Front Page that Natalee is in a cemetery.; 


12/22/2007
Anonimo's posts...begin at 11:17pm


12/23/2007
Anonimo's posts end at 4:19am

Then Caps posts his theory again:
Capslockwizard (Comment #71) on December 23rd, 2007 7:44 pm – “This is my analysis about the disappearing and the events on that day. There are two possible scenarios that will fit a logic question.  The Logic question is “Where would I hide a body so that nobody will find it and at the same time lose my shoes?”

[Tamikosmom]

Lifesong ... thank you for all your research.  On Tuesday ... I am planning on spend the day reading and attempting to comprehend where all your hard work is leading.

Yesterday ... I had myself a pity party.  I could not concentrate.

We were suppose to have two eldest grandsons for the day but ... following the Good Friday service at our church which youngest son and wife attended ... plans changed.  Uncle and Aunt invited kids over to their home to play with a new video system that was just purchased.  They were so excited that we  did not have the heart to turn them down.  I guess Scrabble with Mama and Papa was not where it was at.

Anyways ... both Easter Sunday and Easter Monday are busy days as both sides of the family are having gatherings.  I am tired just thinking about it.

 

Janet

[Lifesong]

Lifesong ... thank you for all your research.  On Tuesday ... I am planning on spend the day reading and attempting to comprehend where all your hard work is leading.

Yesterday ... I had myself a pity party.  I could not concentrate.

We were suppose to have two eldest grandsons for the day but ... following the Good Friday service at our church which youngest son and wife attended ... plans changed.  Uncle and Aunt invited kids over to their home to play with a new video system that was just purchased.  They were so excited that we  did not have the heart to turn them down.  I guess Scrabble with Mama and Papa was not where it was at.

Anyways ... both Easter Sunday and Easter Monday are busy days as both sides of the family are having gatherings.  I am tired just thinking about it.

 

Janet

Janet,

What do you mean by "where all your hard work is leading"?  I don't understand what you mean.

[Anna]

[Tamikosmom]

Lifesong ... thank you for all your research.  On Tuesday ... I am planning on spend the day reading and attempting to comprehend where all your hard work is leading.

Yesterday ... I had myself a pity party.  I could not concentrate.

We were suppose to have two eldest grandsons for the day but ... following the Good Friday service at our church which youngest son and wife attended ... plans changed.  Uncle and Aunt invited kids over to their home to play with a new video system that was just purchased.  They were so excited that we  did not have the heart to turn them down.  I guess Scrabble with Mama and Papa was not where it was at.

Anyways ... both Easter Sunday and Easter Monday are busy days as both sides of the family are having gatherings.  I am tired just thinking about it.

 

Janet

Janet,

What do you mean by "where all your hard work is leading"?  I don't understand what you mean.

I mean ... I have just scanned your posts.  However ... scanning implies I am not getting the whole picture.  I will set aside time for reading and comprehending on Tuesday when there is again a sense of normal in my life.

Lifesong ... it was not not my intention to offend.  Just the opposite.

Janet

[Magnolia]

I'm working on the timeline and this just caught my eye, I thought was interesting.  I'd never really noticed how different Caps first and second postings of his theory were...


Caps made his first FP post on 12/21 - all about the cemetary and the kelder.
Anonimo posts from 12/22pm - 12/23am
Caps posts again 12/23pm - only this theory has an important new added component:  the shoes.

Actually, Caps' FP post on 12/23 contains a number of additions, but no need to post them all... here is Caps' conclusion to his "theory" on 12/23/2007, before he ever started posting with the "codetalkers":

Conclusion:
the only way the body can be found is to search for the shoes round the edges for the murky pools in Aruba and when the sneaker is found, the body will be there also.

Sure seems to me that Caps did a great job of making Lala's and the rest of the codetalkers believe they were all working together to form a theory, when in actuality they ended up exactly where Caps started.

In addition, if you read both posts in their entirety, he already starts exhonorating the Kalpoe's in the second one.

Reference Links:

12/21/2007
CapslockWizard’s post (Comment #14 – 5:30pm) on SM Front Page that Natalee is in a cemetery.; 


12/22/2007
Anonimo's posts...begin at 11:17pm


12/23/2007
Anonimo's posts end at 4:19am

Then Caps posts his theory again:
Capslockwizard (Comment #71) on December 23rd, 2007 7:44 pm – “This is my analysis about the disappearing and the events on that day. There are two possible scenarios that will fit a logic question.  The Logic question is “Where would I hide a body so that nobody will find it and at the same time lose my shoes?”

It has occured to me that the Kalpoes may have offered CapsLockWizard and company a portion
of their Dr. Phil fortune.
Joran said that he was promised a million.

[texasmom]

http://www.mylifetime.com/on-tv/movies/natalee-holloway/the-beth-holloway-interview

The Beth Holloway Interview

by Rachel Cohen Created 03/25/2009 - 12:55



What prompted you to write the book “Loving Natalee: A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith”?

The writing of the book actually evolved over a period of time. Shortly after this happened to Natalee, I made a pledge that I would share her story with every high school I could, because I hoped that no other family would have to endure the challenges that we faced during our first few weeks in Aruba. I lived in Aruba for about four months while I was searching for her, and during the fifth month, I thought it was time for me to make good on my pledge as Natalee’s case was now in the hands of John Kelly, attorney at law. I began traveling and, over the course of two years, presented personal safety messages to over 20,000 high school and college students in 22 states. During this time I thought, “How could I reach more travelers?” and I started thinking about writing a book.


How did this movie come to be?

It’s a direct result of the book. We started talking about it with Lifetime, and at first I wasn’t sure if I could take the next step. But then I had the privilege and opportunity to fly to Los Angeles and to sit down with an incredible creative staff from Sony and Lifetime. I knew instantly that this was the next step and the right thing to do.


What was it like being on set?

I was nervous and overwhelmed at first. Even the equipment and the logistics were fascinating to me. I had my camera and took pictures whenever I could. It was really an honor to be there.


Has it been emotional to replay these events?

I don’t think that anything could compare with the first four months of what we endured while searching for Natalee in Aruba. The movie is something I view as an accomplishment, because we are able to help shed light on a lot of things that I wrote about in my book.


What is it like having Tracy Pollan play you?

It’s an honor. I think she’s a genuine, sincere, real person. There could not have been a better choice.




In the movie, we watch Beth change and grow into an activist as she searches for her daughter and for the truth about what happened. Tell us about that experience.

There seems to be a common thread among all of us who have experienced a devastating or traumatic event, and that is the wanting to reach out to others — whether it’s through philanthropic events or in my case, taking Natalee’s story podium to podium, high school to high school and college to college. You want to make a difference and ensure that no other family will have to endure the same tragedy.


What do you really think happened to Natalee?

We have tried to be so careful not to speculate over the last four years. We always go back to the known facts, and the known facts are that we have indentified the three individuals who were last seen with Natalee alive. As she was leaving Carlos and Charlie’s, we know the condition that Natalee was in. And when the suspects took her from the establishment, we have 22 different versions that they have given to the police to explain what they did with her that night. We know the sexual conduct they engaged in with her in the car as she was semiconscious, falling asleep and waking up. So we know it doesn’t look good, the things that were transpiring. Other than this, we have no further information.




You are very involved in helping others stay safe while traveling abroad. As a public speaker, what words of guidance do you give your audiences?

I remind them about the importance of their personal safety and that personal safety boils down to making a plan. Whether that plan is investigating the infrastructure of a country that you will be visiting, securing police numbers and embassy contacts, or understanding what the United States Embassy can and cannot provide for tourists who find themselves in a crisis outside our borders, it’s important to be prepared. I also remind my audiences that a lot of these occurrences transpire in the early morning hours. I cannot tell you the exhausted list of families that I have been working with whose loved one was last seen leaving an establishment at 12:30 am, 1 am or 1:30 am.

It’s the same scenario time after time, and it’s never a good outcome. It sounds so simple and something you’d even tell an elementary child — never go anywhere with strangers, never leave a place alone, and have a time and place to meet with friends before you leave the establishment.


What would you like audiences to take away from this movie?

I think the overall message is the message of hope, the hope for justice and the hope of making a difference in other people’s lives. I think what this movie will do after all is said and done is give my definition of hope — which is the inexplicable empowerment that enables us to move successfully from challenge to resolution with courage. It’s more than just wishful thinking; it’s the guarantee that there’s light at the end of whatever tunnel we’re trying to find our way through. My first phase was a fantasy phase of hope, and I thought I was coming to Aruba and taking Natalee home alive. When I left home, I told my son I’d return with her in a couple of days. As you move through a crisis and your hope is shattered, you have to find a new hope to carry you through. If I had stayed in my fantasy hope for too long, I could have never have fought so hard for Natalee’s life to make a difference.

Another message is the importance of justice. I was going to bring Natalee home whether she was alive or not. I was going to have justice and put her perpetrators behind bars. Well, none of that happened, and I can only hope that it does one day, but if it doesn’t, I still have a real hope — and real hope has actions behind it.

And my real hope is that, when I present to colleges, churches, civic groups and attorney generals, I am making a difference. It’s tangible for me, and that is why I keep going.

[Magnolia]

TM,
Thank you for posting the infro and links today.  I loved the pictures.

[Anna]

Thank you, TxMom.  That is such a wonderful article.  Only one more week until this movie airs.  I hope I can record it and watch it several times.  I want to hear every word spoken.

[Lifesong]

Lifesong ... thank you for all your research.  On Tuesday ... I am planning on spend the day reading and attempting to comprehend where all your hard work is leading.

Yesterday ... I had myself a pity party.  I could not concentrate.

We were suppose to have two eldest grandsons for the day but ... following the Good Friday service at our church which youngest son and wife attended ... plans changed.  Uncle and Aunt invited kids over to their home to play with a new video system that was just purchased.  They were so excited that we  did not have the heart to turn them down.  I guess Scrabble with Mama and Papa was not where it was at.

Anyways ... both Easter Sunday and Easter Monday are busy days as both sides of the family are having gatherings.  I am tired just thinking about it.

 

Janet

Janet,

What do you mean by "where all your hard work is leading"?  I don't understand what you mean.

I mean ... I have just scanned your posts.  However ... scanning implies I am not getting the whole picture.  I will set aside time for reading and comprehending on Tuesday when there is again a sense of normal in my life.

Lifesong ... it was not not my intention to offend.  Just the opposite.

Janet

I didn't think you were being mean, Janet.    I know better than that. 
I promised a while back that if I wasn't sure what was meant, I would ask...   

If you do figure out where it's leading...would you let me know?! 

 

[Lifesong]

It has occured to me that the Kalpoes may have offered CapsLockWizard and company a portion
of their Dr. Phil fortune.
Joran said that he was promised a million.

I've thought the same thing, Magnolia.  I actually waffle back and forth between "sent by the Kalpoe's" and "sent by ATA".

[Anna]

 

Lifesong,
WorldJournier started out to make a simple timeline of the entire investigation.  First it was a hundred pages long and then three hundred and I think over five hundred last time I saw it!

And it is probably still growing!