Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28 - 12/30/07

[sirensong]

  W. Is the son of an Aruban politician: the chairman of the Aliansa / MSA, a party that last year participated in the September parliamentary elections.

(Het Parool)

     Quote:
     'Guido knew Natalee not'
     By MAAIKE RUEPERT

     AMSTERDAM - Guido W. (19), Wednesday in The Hague has been arrested in connection with the disappearance of Natalee ...

     Suspect Guido W.
     ... Holloway, the missing American had not. That says W. 's lawyer Gerard Spong. ,, Natalee Holloway He has never met,''says Spong.

     Spong did yesterday also know that W. Today again at liberty, but still is regarded as suspicious.

     W., who is suspected of complicity in the abduction and mistreatment and murder of Holloway, was apprentice croupier at the casino in the hotel where Holloway during her stay in Aruba stayed. On May 29, 2005, the evening before her disappearance, he was at work confirms Spong. After Holloway's disappearance is W. Five times heard as a witness.


I wonder what a son of a politician, is doing apprenticing in a casino owned by Posner.  Guess he has ti learn from the ground up if he wants to become somebody in Aruban politics.

Now we have articles about Wit and AHATA trying to defend their decisions.  Are they feeling some heat?  They should be,  they are living in hell.  Prayers are working, keep praying.

[blah]

Wouldn't it be funny if Joran went into law enforcement?  Maybe van der Straaten's old job?  Maybe a vdS younger brother?  Along with Jeffrey vC's sister?

Do you think they eat frosted flakes?

I think it would be funny if Joran turned up face down - in a ditch - dead

I would laugh!!!

to borrow a quote from the POS himeslf

[sirensong]

Wouldn't it be funny if Joran went into law enforcement?  Maybe van der Straaten's old job?  Maybe a vdS younger brother?  Along with Jeffrey vC's sister?

Do you think they eat frosted flakes?

I think it would be funny if Joran turned up face down - in a ditch - dead

I would laugh!!


to borrow a quote from the POS himeslf

    That was funny!!

[WhiskeyGirl]

I wonder if all of Aruba is hell, or just where Wit and AHATA appear to be defending themselves?

How did Wever get involved anyway?  I wonder if he is related to any Dutch judges?

It would be interesting to know from an historical perspective, how closely related judges and politicians are among the Dutch and Arubans.  Are there families that seem to dominate these ranks? 

[Observer]

I found a Dutch Blog that comments on Natalee's case. May be of some interest to you sleuths that like to look for Info we may have not seen yet or was deleted off the net. Or even just what other Dutch/Aruban Bloggers or newspapers were saying. In Just a hour I have already seen one of Joran's friend posting and a mean spirited blogger who says he worked at the Holiday Inn Casino when Natalee was there. Most of the best Info came from SM and RWV.

http://forum.fok.nl/topic/837319/1/25
(Go Here to see the list of there discussions on NH)

Paul VDS was A former Private Secretary to the Attorney-General on Aruba
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/718927
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Aruban Authorities Investigate Blood in Car
Sunday, June 12, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Authorities investigating the disappearance of Alabama honors student Natalee Holloway were seeking clues on the source of blood found in the car used to transport the missing teen to the beach nearly two weeks ago, Aruban Justice Minister Rudy Croes (search) said.

"We have found some blood in the car, but we don't know to whom it belongs," he said.

The teen's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, reportedly gave blood to authorities to determine whether the DNA matched that of the samples taken from a silver Honda.

http://forum.fok.nl/topic/710730/3/50
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(Gido)W. Is the son of an Aruban politician: the chairman of the Aliansa / MSA, a party that last year participated in the September parliamentary elections.

Previously Spong said that W. Aruba should not be extradited because he is afraid as homosexual in prison 'traumatic experiences' to do.

   His arrest followed several incriminating statements that former colleagues from the casino in February on W. Have made. What the casinomedewerkers about his client against the police have said, let Spong not lost. Yesterday told a member of the Excelsior Casino in this newspaper that W. The day after Holloway's disappearance worrying at work appeared. He then held area a few days earlier on his work than was planned.

http://forum.fok.nl/topic/837319/12/25
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On Sunday, June 19, 2005 19:33 wrote milagro the following:

     [..]

     Ms. strange it is, yes.

     That son has a kind of thought I appartementje own, to his parents' house, own entrance therefore, I assume, so I assume again, that zoonlief can come and go without Ma and Pa in the eye, and how or what Who etc.


     Zoonlief to 06.30 tomorrow benefited from the 5th suspect, which is only recently revealed, it is that the 5th man now suspected,.
     Mss want them now only know from Dad or something he noticed that morning and drive to a third party or something

Tokse maandag 20 juni 2005 @ 00:28
I thought that this is the fourth suspect was one Steven Croes? Question wondering what is true of these two Dutch (not surinaamse) brothers and a colombiaan suspected? I think half of that island is suspected, how many people live there?

In short, strange mess with all these stories that you read, they sleuren more and more people, to the son of youknowwho to save ofzo. There is no ass of the whole story, and I wonder whether it only by the news of the amerikanen. I think there is also something very tilted sits on Aruba (skating them there are ash, and also straight or tilted?)

http://forum.fok.nl/topic/716218

[blah]

basically its like this

if you are Aruban you are a piece of shit.

any other questions?

[WhiskeyGirl]

Wouldn't it be funny if Joran went into law enforcement?  Maybe van der Straaten's old job?  Maybe a vdS younger brother?  Along with Jeffrey vC's sister?

Do you think they eat frosted flakes?

I think it would be funny if Joran turned up face down - in a ditch - dead

I would laugh!!!

to borrow a quote from the POS himeslf

I wouldn't laugh.  I think it would give many the opportunity to close the case for good, a scapegoat for everything that has gone wrong.

Would anyone continue to look for those that may have disposed of a body?  Does anyone think a few 'boys' could have done that without help?

What about others that may be involved?  Those that may not be known to ALE or the public?

The truth is always available.  However, when there is  scapegoat, the truth may fall to the side of the road.  jmho

[blah]

Wouldn't it be funny if Joran went into law enforcement?  Maybe van der Straaten's old job?  Maybe a vdS younger brother?  Along with Jeffrey vC's sister?

Do you think they eat frosted flakes?

I think it would be funny if Joran turned up face down - in a ditch - dead

I would laugh!!!

to borrow a quote from the POS himeslf

I wouldn't laugh.  I think it would give many the opportunity to close the case for good, a scapegoat for everything that has gone wrong.

Would anyone continue to look for those that may have disposed of a body?  Does anyone think a few 'boys' could have done that without help?

What about others that may be involved?  Those that may not be known to ALE or the public?

The truth is always available.  However, when there is  scapegoat, the truth may fall to the side of the road.  jmho

You make a very good point and I agree with you.  But I would still laugh, at least for a minute.  There would be some small amount of satisfaction in the irony of his own words turned onto himself.

[blah]

ok, its late, i'm tired and probably not making sense anymore

goodnight y'all

Tim Miller and the crew on the Persistance - you all rock!!!!!!  Your always in our thoughts. Please be safe.

Beth, Dave, Jug and the rest of the family - hang in there, we are with you.

Night.

[WhiskeyGirl]

basically its like this

if you are Aruban you are a piece of shit.

any other questions?

What about residents of Aruba?  J2K? 

I prefer to judge each apple in the bushel, on it's own merits. 

Would any of these players have been of a similar disposition if they had grown up on Bonaire for example?  Or, is it the island? 

There are good people on Aruba.

Would the players in her disappearce have done the same thing regardless of where they lived?

Would they be in a position to form their own circumstances when something bad happens?

Would the players ever move to a place where nobody knows their name?  They aren't related to anyone in a position of authority? 

[WhiskeyGirl]

Wouldn't it be funny if Joran went into law enforcement?  Maybe van der Straaten's old job?  Maybe a vdS younger brother?  Along with Jeffrey vC's sister?

Do you think they eat frosted flakes?

I think it would be funny if Joran turned up face down - in a ditch - dead

I would laugh!!!

to borrow a quote from the POS himeslf

I wouldn't laugh.  I think it would give many the opportunity to close the case for good, a scapegoat for everything that has gone wrong.

Would anyone continue to look for those that may have disposed of a body?  Does anyone think a few 'boys' could have done that without help?

What about others that may be involved?  Those that may not be known to ALE or the public?

The truth is always available.  However, when there is  scapegoat, the truth may fall to the side of the road.  jmho

You make a very good point and I agree with you.  But I would still laugh, at least for a minute.  There would be some small amount of satisfaction in the irony of his own words turned onto himself.

Ashes to ashes...dust to dust...

Life is of a limited span for all of us.  IIRC, no one has ever cheated death.

I believe what matters is the space of time we have between the beginning and the end.

Should we aim to be famous?  Should we be humble?  Is it ok if no one remembers us after we are gone?

I wonder what the lasting legacy of Natalee Holloway will be on Aruba?  Will there be rumors of missing girls every year?  Will there be rumors of remains near the vdS home in years to come?

[WhiskeyGirl]

ok, its late, i'm tired and probably not making sense anymore

goodnight y'all

Tim Miller and the crew on the Persistance - you all rock!!!!!!  Your always in our thoughts. Please be safe.

Beth, Dave, Jug and the rest of the family - hang in there, we are with you.

Night.

Well said.  I agree.

Good night.

[Peaches]

Good morning.

In the picture of the Persistence and the fishnet they snagged, did you notice the fish net wasn't BLUE?

Freaking liars.

I hate 'em all.

I'm way behind here.

[MumInOhio]

Good morning.

In the picture of the Persistence and the fishnet they snagged, did you notice the fish net wasn't BLUE?
Freaking liars.

I hate 'em all.

I'm way behind here.

Good Morning Peaches...No, I didn't notice and I don't recall anyone else posting on it either. Thanks.

[MumInOhio]

Been looking for info on Rudy's brother, whom I read is more corrupt than Rudy, and found this.

   



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[Nut44x4]

Rush hour in hospital

ORANJESTAD – The personnel of Horacio Oduber Hospital was very busy from December 21 to 26.  The reason was mostly consumption of too much alcohol.  At least 28 victims of traffic accidents were brought in, versus 12 last year. 

Of the 28 victims, 15 were injured due to physical violence, 2 had an overdose of alcohol and/or drugs, and 6 were injured in accidents in and around the house.  Only 6 traffic accidents victims had to be admitted for further treatment.  Five of the fifteen victims of physical violence and five of the six persons that were injured in or around the house were admitted, of which 2 in the ICU.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/

[MumInOhio]

Any relation?

Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, a friend of van der Sloot and the Kalpoes, was arrested on suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia.

quote Tamikosmom
Bachus and Alabama officials would not comment on exactly what Richardson, Aruban police analyst Renato Emerencia and Aruban attorney Arlene Ellis Schipper told them about the investigation

Still looking for a connection between 'Lady Eyes' Diane - Freddy's attorney and Renato who is the police person responsible for all the organization and analysis of evidence in the Holloway case.

[wreck]

I just read the Judge Witt article. I call BS.
If a judge was present and dictated terms of the search -- he could also dictate that the entire property COULD be searched. Any "legit" judge would have deemed the search in a MURDER case able to search the whole property if he physically saw himself the situation.

[angelalala]

I am still not sure what Huez meant, I think a Judge, because this can be good: Huez Comisario - Judge commissioner. But I am not sure, I want ask my cousin later, when I see her.

Bingo. Huez ... does mean Judge/Justice (as in the title).

[cubbeegirl]

Just catching up here.... can anyone help me get out of my Christmas attire and back to my ole self? I am not much in a festive mood today.....

I pray the ocean search team is successful....