Lively Case Discussion #510 8/11 - 8/12/2006

[mishy]

I looked thru what I could b/c I deleted my m'ship in Tickle.
Nothing. But, you have to give these two credit for getting their GED.
Their parents or families look proud of them.
I know that alot of Aruban kids have to do a year at St. Leo's to get up
to speed for US College.

IF this is the case re: St Leos, what was the delicious sporter/supposed honor student going to that school? Seems he'd been up to snuff already, unless Aruba's schools aren't...big surprise, huh?

[Lala'sMom]

I looked thru what I could b/c I deleted my m'ship in Tickle.
Nothing. But, you have to give these two credit for getting their GED.
Their parents or families look proud of them.
I know that alot of Aruban kids have to do a year at St. Leo's to get up
to speed for US College.

That's why I used to laugh to myself when Bondia would brag about how smart Joran was and try to compare him to Natalee...I knew she didn't know what she was talking about because I knew their education system in Aruba wasn't necessarily up to US standards.  (Now, I am gonna get vicious vibes from the dark side because I said that)...oh well.

[klaasend]

And to Miami the Trail of Deviance Leads...

...once again.

Max Arends was questioned in case.  The ticle site shows him driving a car and Arends family owns car dealership on Aruba -- I belive Honda, yes?  Arends attends third rate school, near Orlando, I think...

Was it ever confirmed that early in case on pvds flew off to Miami for a "quick round of golf"?

Shango posts originate from Miami?
 And all those wonderful FP posts peeling the FLA onion back...and Aruba connections thereto...

HHhhhmmm.

As far as I remember, yes Max is in FLA if not Miami, I thought somewhere close-by.

Never heard about the round of golf in Miami.

Yes, I do remember a poster, may have been grande or columbo . . . I honestly can't say for certain, saying the shango posts did originate from Miami or that area of FLA.

Max is in Orlando and is currently attending  Valencia Community College

Here is his current Myspace site:

http://tinyurl.com/gocxf

[Kat_Gram]

I looked thru what I could b/c I deleted my m'ship in Tickle.
Nothing. But, you have to give these two credit for getting their GED.
Their parents or families look proud of them.
I know that alot of Aruban kids have to do a year at St. Leo's to get up
to speed for US College.

That's why I used to laugh to myself when Bondia would brag about how smart Joran was and try to compare him to Natalee...I knew she didn't know what she was talking about because I knew their education system in Aruba wasn't necessarily up to US standards.  (Now, I am gonna get vicious vibes from the dark side because I said that)...oh well.

St. Leo's is where alot of them go. Scubajap was the one who talked about that. Among others. But I do have to give credit to anyone
who goes and gets an education.

[shadow]

And to Miami the Trail of Deviance Leads...

...once again.

Max Arends was questioned in case.  The ticle site shows him driving a car and Arends family owns car dealership on Aruba -- I belive Honda, yes?  Arends attends third rate school, near Orlando, I think...

Was it ever confirmed that early in case on pvds flew off to Miami for a "quick round of golf"?

Shango posts originate from Miami?
 And all those wonderful FP posts peeling the FLA onion back...and Aruba connections thereto...

HHhhhmmm.

As far as I remember, yes Max is in FLA if not Miami, I thought somewhere close-by.

Never heard about the round of golf in Miami.

Yes, I do remember a poster, may have been grande or columbo . . . I honestly can't say for certain, saying the shango posts did originate from Miami or that area of FLA.

Max is in Orlando and is currently attending  Valencia Community College

Here is his current Myspace site:

http://tinyurl.com/gocxf

Thanks again Klass.

[Shell]

Tyler                  

I know! I just love her!  

I am obviously way behind in this thread, but Tyler, you quack me up!

[2NJSons_Mom]

Here is Charine Croes tickle site.  I need to look through her friends still and see if John Charles is there:

http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=Sop5SEfmD7ZSVx1s

Is this girl related to Charles Croes?  She looks like him a little.

If you look through her photos she has a photo of her dad..not Charles Croes.  She does have a photo of her Uncle though that "could be" Charles Croes...not sure though:

I see that there was a 'Glenda' in her photos...  

[Shell]

After I made the above post, and I am totally lost as to where I stopped reading. Thinking out loud here, but from what I am reading, I am thinking this could possibly been a date rape and the perps were more than the 3 suspects. A gang of guys, knowledgable in videos and computers...all covering for each other, all connected to each other in various ways with Daddy's in power. I don't mean just Paulus.

[klaasend]

2NJSons_Mom  - I noticed that too, lol  

[Hotshot]

John charles has in his friends, Jairo......and it says he is now in the Netherlands too.  Still looking for his friends

[SunFreak2]

Here is Carmen Jacopucci

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=17920011&Mytoken=632600985925517500

[klaasend]

John charles has in his friends, Jairo......and it says he is now in the Netherlands too.  Still looking for his friends

I don't think it's the same Jairo.

[klaasend]

Here is Carmen Jacopucci

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=17920011&Mytoken=632600985925517500

Remind me who's statement she was in?

I just went to that link and it's Max's site.  Is she linked to his site?  Went through his friends and I didn't see it.

[Tylergal]

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So Aruba is .aw and perhaps .ar is Argentina?  I wonder what Austria might be.  Anyway, they do have a long history of internet troulbe as you may also recall the man from Spain convicted on some sort of porn distrubition using Aruba.  Porn in and of itself is, of course, legal there.  Would have to be porn containing a crime to even be illegal.

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Are you saying that in Spain it might be illegal for porn to contain crime?   I guess it might be in Aruba if international police became aware of it.  Otherwise, I think it is just a bad day on the Aunt Julia's Fairy Tales, no more than Humpty Dumpty having a bad fall.  Notice the attitudes of ArubaGirl, NativeLingo, Hannie, et al.  How nice they were as long as you were buying their propaganda and how they turned vile like reptiles when you caught onto them.

[Hotshot]

John charles has in his friends, Jairo......and it says he is now in the Netherlands too.  Still looking for his friends

I don't think it's the same Jairo.

 Theres 2 different ones.  The one with the Huge face shot is  the "Jairo"

[klaasend]

John charles has in his friends, Jairo......and it says he is now in the Netherlands too.  Still looking for his friends

I don't think it's the same Jairo.

 Theres 2 different ones.  The one with the Huge face shot is  the "Jairo"

No it's not, neither one of the Jairo's on John Charles Croes sites are Jairo Dirksen.

[Tylergal]

shadow-

I expect others may have found this before but read down to the review of Raphael Levy and the comments regarding Alberto Levy's own brother in relation to snuff porn?

http://www.judicial-inc.biz/j_0_ran_aruba_crime.htm

Yes, we found this June was a year ago and no one wanted to believe it.  Anytime I allude to it here, people act as if it is nothing or too deviant to be true.

I even did research last July showing that he is friends with Charles Croes and at that time they had some common interests in LaCabana.  That information has since been lost but yes, Charles Croes is connected to these two as well.  I suspect that is how Joran got his VIP membership at C&C's and the only thing that has changed in the last year is that everyone is aware of what goes on at C&C so Joran was banned just as a symbolic gesture, not that the spiked drinks and drugging stopped.

[Tylergal]

Has anyone uncovered any information regarding John Charles Croes, friend of Deepak, supposedly lives in Miami and was on msn with Deepak the night Natalee was abducted, as stated in one of his statements??

Great Question, I am interested in this as well

How interested would you be to know that might be a name made up by some of the PERPS and PIMPS in conjunction with Charles Croes and perhaps just a dummy site.

[the big hammer]

Why Does deepak Lie?

Why lie about "inconsequential detail" like waiting at car for goon to deliver Natalee?

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From June 9 deepak statement:

When I was walking outside, I could hear the announcement that it was the last opportunity to buy alcohol. That is always announced before closing, I walked to my car. My car was the only one parked in the back of the parking lot. I went and sat in my car to wait for Satish and Joran. I had no more money left on my pre-paid phone to call them. I was listening to the radio and was trying to adjust the sound. The car door on the right front door was opened. I looked up and saw that it was Satish. Satish sat down next to me. Then the back car door opened. Joran got into the car. He got in on the right side of the car and sat down behind Satish. The girl had also got into the car through the back car door on the left side. She sat down behind me in the car. I greeted her. I said to her: "Hi" She greeted me back and had told me her name. I immediately forgot her name.

From June 11 deepak statement:

After I walked out of the bathroom, I called Joran on his mobile phone. He did not answer. I walked to the parking lot where my car was parked. When I arrived at my car I sat on the ground next to my car, because my brother had the keys. I then called my brother on his mobile phone. I had almot no more minutes on my pre-paid phone so I called him in a way that produces what in English is called a “miss call”. After that my brother phoned me back, I asked him where they were and he said they were still inside and that he would come. After a while Satish came walking, I asked him where Joran was and he said that Joran was still inside. I told Satish to give me the keys and to go find Joran. Satish left again and I got into my car. I stayed inside of the car with the door open. I had one leg outside the car and I was playing music and adjusting my radio set-up. After a while I heard the door on the passenger side open. I saw Satish getting into the car. Joran opened the door behind Satish and also got into the car. I cannot remember if the girl got into the same car door. I do know that she sat down behind me. I turned around somewhat and introduced myself to the girl. She had told me that her name was Natalee.

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Why lie?

How about this: Satish was the carrier of the drug.  He was also the administrator of the drug, pouring the roofie into the drink of her unsuspecting as goon engaged chit chat w/ Natalee.  The second story -- delivered on JUNE 10 -- pulls Satish away from the scene.  Satish is wandering around parking lot looking for brother as he is the one w/ the keys: how could he be bag man in this scenario? (Yeah right).

As carrier and adminstrator in OD death sceanrio: Satish is culpable in "PREMEDIATED MURDER" charge.  Death by drug inducement to non-consenting by decption is "premeditation".

In CA and previous discussions w/ goon: deepak is waiting in car -- inother words, deepak had the keys.  In first story above: deepak had the keys -- you need the keys to turn the ignition on to listen to the music.

deepak: why you lie to HAMMER?

[AZLady]

Why Does deepak Lie?

Why lie about "inconsequential detail" like waiting at car for goon to deliver Natalee?

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From June 9 deepak statement:

When I was walking outside, I could hear the announcement that it was the last opportunity to buy alcohol. That is always announced before closing, I walked to my car. My car was the only one parked in the back of the parking lot. I went and sat in my car to wait for Satish and Joran. I had no more money left on my pre-paid phone to call them. I was listening to the radio and was trying to adjust the sound. The car door on the right front door was opened. I looked up and saw that it was Satish. Satish sat down next to me. Then the back car door opened. Joran got into the car. He got in on the right side of the car and sat down behind Satish. The girl had also got into the car through the back car door on the left side. She sat down behind me in the car. I greeted her. I said to her: "Hi" She greeted me back and had told me her name. I immediately forgot her name.

From June 11 deepak statement:

After I walked out of the bathroom, I called Joran on his mobile phone. He did not answer. I walked to the parking lot where my car was parked. When I arrived at my car I sat on the ground next to my car, because my brother had the keys. I then called my brother on his mobile phone. I had almot no more minutes on my pre-paid phone so I called him in a way that produces what in English is called a “miss call”. After that my brother phoned me back, I asked him where they were and he said they were still inside and that he would come. After a while Satish came walking, I asked him where Joran was and he said that Joran was still inside. I told Satish to give me the keys and to go find Joran. Satish left again and I got into my car. I stayed inside of the car with the door open. I had one leg outside the car and I was playing music and adjusting my radio set-up. After a while I heard the door on the passenger side open. I saw Satish getting into the car. Joran opened the door behind Satish and also got into the car. I cannot remember if the girl got into the same car door. I do know that she sat down behind me. I turned around somewhat and introduced myself to the girl. She had told me that her name was Natalee.

*********************************************************

Why lie?

How about this: Satish was the carrier of the drug.  He was also the administrator of the drug, pouring the roofie into the drink of her unsuspecting as goon engaged chit chat w/ Natalee.  The second story -- delivered on JUNE 10 -- pulls Satish away from the scene.  Satish is wandering around parking lot looking for brother as he is the one w/ the keys: how could he be bag man in this scenario? (Yeah right).

As carrier and adminstrator in OD death sceanrio: Satish is culpable in "PREMEDIATED MURDER" charge.  Death by drug inducement to non-consenting by decption is "premeditation".

In CA and previous discussions w/ goon: deepak is waiting in car -- inother words, deepak had the keys.  In first story above: deepak had the keys -- you need the keys to turn the ignition on to listen to the music.

deepak: why you lie to HAMMER?

Hammer, the statement by the classmate of Natalee who was on the roof of the bar across the street said he saw Deepak lead Natalee out of the bar later, after the crowd had left.  This has always bothered me. Was the classmate mistaken?  Or, did Natalee go back into C&C's and was she led out by Deepak (or possibly Satish)?