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jumped in.....gonna call Mr. Whyte about that cat....grrr!!!!  If they don't let him adopt him I will write the newspaper...I am afraid he might already b gone!  :cry:

At least Mikey can pinpoint him to the cat.

Doesn't it Pizz you off to know that, while we discuss Natalee,  Paul and Joran are watching the World Cup?

I don't understand why they won't let you at least put a hold on the cat??

Or the Tour de France.  
what is the distance from the monkey cage to the pool?  Not far I guess.  Perhaps she was at that residence and not the VDS's.
The pool story started IMO when they were getting their stories together.  Meeting point.

I don't think Natalee wanted to see the "big house" or "sharks" or wanted to have sex with the "exchange student" from Holland.  She wanted to go back to her hotel with the Dutch kid who was also staying at the hotel.

Or the Tour de France.  

what is the distance from the monkey cage to the pool?  Not far I guess.  Perhaps she was at that residence and not the VDS's.

The pool story started IMO when they were getting their stories together.  Meeting point.

Did they ever use a "scent" dog, or just a cadaver dog??

I know TES searched the neighbor's yard...but don't know which neighbor for sure...I think the monkey one.

As I understand, that house was searched right?  I hope so! :roll:

Can I ask a question? Why do we keep trying to fit the lighthouse into the picture that night? If 3am Natalee makes a call from Joran's house, and he is on computer until 3:30, and Deepak cleaning his car at 4am...where is the time to go to lighthouse? 4am? maybe? But it is conceivable also that they did not dispose of her body until the following night and the body was still at VS property. Didn't Beth say she felt in her gut Natalee was there at the house that night? And you know...if police came pounding at my door at 3am...I would not stand in the street for all the neighbors to see...I would invite them into my house to get them OFF of the street!!

Because it is a kitten.  They don't hold kittens so it is first come first serve basis.  If the cat was an adult they would've let me put a "HOLD" on him; let me pay a fee or the whole thing then I could get him when they verify KC's history with the vet.  I know, I was fuming!!!!!


ps....just said a little prayer that you get your kitty-kitty!! :wink:
I was able to put a hold on an adult cat; but because they don't test for leukemia the cat died with me.  Mr. Whyte wanted to make sure he could get there at noon when they open up to get O'Douls for me.  Funny thing, Jewel was the name of my cat.  The girls at the shelter were shocked at the name similarity and the resemblance.

Did they ever use a "scent" dog, or just a cadaver dog??

I know TES searched the neighbor's yard...but don't know which neighbor for sure...I think the monkey one.

Whytegirl - good point.  It's been said the neighbors that owned the monkey were out of town.  Who was feeding the monkey?  Did the Sloot's have a key to the neighbors home?

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I just asked Red and he said a cadaver dog.

The main residence and the other bedrooms are closer to the monkey cage then Joran's apartment.  Did Natalee manage to grab someones cell phone (sanders?) while trying to escape from their property and run to the neighbors property.  Was she possibly hiding near the monkey cage when the call was made.  They were looking for her and realized she had a phone in her hands and had gotten a call off.

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I'm bring out the poor horse.............But this call with the monkey sounds is emerging as more and more pivotal to try to figure out what happened and when and where it occurred.
My recollection is that Dave dismissed the call. Beth was less sure than Dave that it should be dismissed in the Dr. Phil appearance. However, as time has passed, neither of them have given the call the place of importance in any interview I have witnessed that one would expect, if it were accepted as fact that Nat made the call. In fact, I have witnessed many times, Dave and Beth say that they are sure Nat was taken to Joran's after leaving C&Cs, but beyond that, they aren't sure of anything. What is the surety expressed in this forum based on? Wow, that sounds confrontive, doesn't it? That's not intentional....I have a tremendous amount of respect for the posters here. I'm just missing something and want to be as confident as others are. HELP! TIA.

Homes in Aruba look kinda chitty!

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I'm bring out the poor horse.............But this call with the monkey sounds is emerging as more and more pivotal to try to figure out what happened and when and where it occurred.
My recollection is that Dave dismissed the call. Beth was less sure than Dave that it should be dismissed in the Dr. Phil appearance. However, as time has passed, neither of them have given the call the place of importance in any interview I have witnessed that one would expect, if it were accepted as fact that Nat made the call. In fact, I have witnessed many times, Dave and Beth say that they are sure Nat was taken to Joran's after leaving C&Cs, but beyond that, they aren't sure of anything. What is the surety expressed in this forum based on? Wow, that sounds confrontive, doesn't it? That's not intentional....I have a tremendous amount of respect for the posters here. I'm just missing something and want to be as confident as others are. HELP! TIA.

Klaas...help me here...thought it was the phone call to Beth's cell phone in the middle of the night much later that Dave dismissed? Am I correct...thought we agreed there was in fact a call from Natalee the night she disappeared.

Or they went into the house and left her in the car (she refused to get out)...she grabbed Sander's cell phone (plugged into charge in car) and then ran to neighbors...

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I'm bring out the poor horse.............But this call with the monkey sounds is emerging as more and more pivotal to try to figure out what happened and when and where it occurred.
My recollection is that Dave dismissed the call. Beth was less sure than Dave that it should be dismissed in the Dr. Phil appearance. However, as time has passed, neither of them have given the call the place of importance in any interview I have witnessed that one would expect, if it were accepted as fact that Nat made the call. In fact, I have witnessed many times, Dave and Beth say that they are sure Nat was taken to Joran's after leaving C&Cs, but beyond that, they aren't sure of anything. What is the surety expressed in this forum based on? Wow, that sounds confrontive, doesn't it? That's not intentional....I have a tremendous amount of respect for the posters here. I'm just missing something and want to be as confident as others are. HELP! TIA.

The VDS house doesn't look like a big house.  They looks like a bunch of shacks on one piece of property.  From the overhead picture of that property it doesn't even look clean.

Hammer would be good.

Sleuth, I remember you early on, thinking right.  At the time, I went to Aruba travel sites (ones that someone taking a trip would look at for ideas).  I noticed the mention of "nocturnal nurse sharks" at DePalm Island.  Just noticed that area is by the caves to the south.  How did the statement about Natalee wanting to see sharks get started??  Maybe she had read about the cute nocturnal nurse sharks on line before the trip and brought it up.

CBB - the call they were discussing on the Dr. Phil show was a different call.  The reason Beth is so sure Natalee was in the VDS home is based on the call received on May 30th.  The call they were discussing  on the Dr. Phil show was much later, durring the hurricaines.

CBB - the call they were discussing on the Dr. Phil show was a different call.  The reason Beth is so sure Natalee was in the VDS home is based on the call received on May 30th.  The call they were discussing  on the Dr. Phil show was much later, durring the hurricaines.

I don't think Natalee wanted to see the "big house" or "sharks" or wanted to have sex with the "exchange student" from Holland.  She wanted to go back to her hotel with the Dutch kid who was also staying at the hotel.

Home > Discuss > The Evidence Line >  Timeline May 30, 2005 Time line of  events  May 30, 2005
1:00 am   Natalee, Joran, Deepak and Satish depart Carlos 'n Charlies.  Closing time on Sunday night was earlier than other nights. In Joran's interview with Greta he says they left at "probably one a.m."  Reference: Joran van der Sloot/Greta interview

1:00 am - 1:50  Deepak drives Natalee and Joran   Conflict: Deepak states that "They drove around, drove to the lighthouse", then to the Marriott beach.  Reference : David Kock/Greta interview . Joran states in all of his interviews that they did not go to the lighthouse, but drove by his house staying in the car, then drove to the Marriott beach. Ending time is calculated by figuring the drive time to Deepak's home from the beach, and deducting that time from Deepak's computer login time (discussed in the following entry).
Also, note the conflict described in the following entry, which describes circumstances which indicate the drive might have ended at 1:35 am and not 1:50.
 


1:50 am   Natalee and Joran dropped at beach.  Conflict: Calculated as ten minutes prior to Deepak's computer log in at 2:00 am.. This is from David Kock statement that this is the drive time from Marriott beach area.  However, Aruban observers have noted that the Kalpoes live in Hooiberg, which is towards the airport on the opposite side of Orangestad from Palm Beach and the area where Joran lives.  Joran's asserts that Deepak lives 20 minutes from him.  Joran also says that he lives 5 minutes from the beach. So, the drive to Deepak's home  from the beach would have been 25 minutes.  Using Deepak's log in time as the mark, this would have meant that Natalee and Joran were dropped off at 1:35 am and not 1:50 am.
Dropoff might have even been several minutes prior to 1:50 or 1:35 (whichever is accurate), since a few minutes probably lapsed between arriving home and actually logging in.
 


1:59 am   Deepak and Satish arrive home.  The arrival home might have been even earlier, because the computer log in (2:00 am), most likely, would not have been done the instant they arrived home.


2:00 am   Deepak logs onto computer.  From the David Kock Greta interview, citing records presented in court.
2: 45 am   Joran cellphone call to Deepak  Conflict: We are assuming this call was not made to Deepak's cell phone. Only Joran's cellphone records are ever described in all discussions by David Kock and Joran or the Aruban police.  Plus, although not reliable, the so-called unsigned Deepak statement says Deepak's cellphone was not used that night, because no minutes were available. Even though that statement was authored  by police investigators , verifiable facts are not the kind of information to be falsified.    We then must also assume that Deepak has an internet connection separate from his home phone (maybe broadband), because Joran quotes Deepak as saying he was on the computer at the time, although new phone modems interrupt and pause for incoming calls.  Without seeing Deepak's or Joran's cellphone records, we can't verity which phone (home or cell) received the call.  It may not be an important distinction, since Deepak answered an IM from Joran (discussed in a subsequent entry) showing he was still home at a later time.
3:00 am   Deepak logs off computer.  Conflict: This was in David Kock's August interview.  It is in conflict with Joran's computer records, which indicate that Deepak answered an IM (instant message) from Joran at 3:45.  According to Joran, ABC news verified these computer records.  
3: 00 am   Satish arrives in Deepak's car at Marriott beach areas  This was deduced from Joran's assertion that Satish arrived, 10-15 minutes after Joran's 2:45 am phone call  to Deepak. (Joran/Greta interview). Conflict: Deepak and Satish maintain that they stayed home and did not go out again and that Joran walked home.
3:05 am  Joran cellphone call to Deepak. ..  David Kock says this was a call at 3:00 or shortly thereafter. He quotes Deepak, that this was Joran was saying that he arrived at home.  According to Kock, Joran's cellphone triangulation data indicated that this call was made from the neighborhood, which could either be the Mariott beach area all the way to Joran's  home). David Kock quote, "...that is not an exact pinpoint indication, but the general area is the area here in north of palm beach of the hotels."  
Marginal Conflict:  Not a phone "call, " but a cellphone "text message". Kock in a subsequent interview says that there was a phone call from Joran to Deepak and a later "chat message."  This will correspond with Koch's earlier statement that there were two phone contacts, by assuming that the second one was a cellphone text message and not the computer IM, which is discussed as occurring later. Hence his discussion of triangulation would not be in conflict.  Joran also verifed in the Greta interview that the "I got home" message was a cellphone text message as he distinguished two messages, and described the second one saying, " No, that was on the computer afterwards."

Potential conflict: Some people have questioned the accuracy of cellphone triangulation from the area around the beach and Joran's home, but that wiouldn't disprove that the call wasn't made from his house, merely weaken it as a proof that it was made from there.
 
3:05 am   Joran arrives home  Conflict: In the Greta interview, Joran states that the driving time from his house to the beach is five minutes. This would make the arrival time, thirty minutes prior to Joran's computer log in time.  In Greta interview, Joran says he arrived earlier than computer log in time and went to kitchen to get something to eat and drink, was going to go to sleep, then decided check if any friends were on line, if there was "anyone to talk to." According to David Kock statements presented to the courts showed that Deepak affirmed that Joran walked home.  A five minute drive would be an approximately 45 minute walk. If Joran started walking at 2:40 am, he could have then been home at about 3:30 am, coinciding with his computer login time with no thirty minute gap.
The thirty minutes gap is either an unaccounted for block of time or it was spent in the walk from the beach to his home (assuming someone in the group is telling the truth)..
 
3:35 am   Joran logs onto computer  Joran maintains computer log on records verified by ABC news.
3:45 am   Joran Instant messages Deepak, and receives answer   Joran says this is in the records verified by ABC news.  Conflict: as  described previously, David Kock says 3:00 am was Deepak's log off time.
3:50 - 4:00 am  Joran IM's Deepak again.  No answer.  Joran says he IM's (instant messaged) Deepak.  Deepak is showing as still on line.  Deepak doesn't answer. Joran assumes he is just away from the computer.  This is in the records verified by ABC news according to Joran. Conflicts with what David Kock says was Deepak's log off time.
6:40 am   Joran on school bus.  Joran's interview with Greta and verified from several sources.

CBB - fess up  :lol:  you just wanted an excuse to use that beating the horse emoticon...right??   :lol:  :lol:

I don't think Natalee wanted to see the "big house" or "sharks" or wanted to have sex with the "exchange student" from Holland.  She wanted to go back to her hotel with the Dutch kid who was also staying at the hotel.

It was the monkey one and Red was there while it was searched.  He can answer any questions about it.

Pics of the search of the VDS neighbors home and property:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/08/02/van-der-sloot-house/

The VDS house doesn't look like a big house.  They looks like a bunch of shacks on one piece of property.  From the overhead picture of that property it doesn't even look clean.

Do we still have any posters from Aruba?

Do we still have any posters from Aruba?

At 1:30 AM?  Is the Lighthouse lit up at night?

I could believe that as it was her last night in Aruba she might have been enticed by another site to see that she had not been to yet.  Such as the lighthouse.  

Does anyone remember if the MB kids went to the lighthouse earlier in their vacation?  If not, that would be a reason to go there - tourist destination, good views of the lights, etc. at night.

San.............as far as how far the sound would carry, if a monkey screech is anything like a bird's ( I have a mulucan cockatoo), it would easily carry to and well beyond the VDS compound.

I think we have a couple.  Linda ?

Been catching up, and the posts regarding PVDS's delay in responding when police and Holloway/Twitty entourage arrived 5/31 early AM made me recall that he also came out of the bushes, sotospeak, when Greta and Beth came to call.  What the heck was that all about?  It's also stuck in my mind as peculiar.  Sorry if this post makes me seem stuck on stupid, but it was something that came back to me.

Good day all.

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I'm bring out the poor horse.............But this call with the monkey sounds is emerging as more and more pivotal to try to figure out what happened and when and where it occurred.
My recollection is that Dave dismissed the call. Beth was less sure than Dave that it should be dismissed in the Dr. Phil appearance. However, as time has passed, neither of them have given the call the place of importance in any interview I have witnessed that one would expect, if it were accepted as fact that Nat made the call. In fact, I have witnessed many times, Dave and Beth say that they are sure Nat was taken to Joran's after leaving C&Cs, but beyond that, they aren't sure of anything. What is the surety expressed in this forum based on? Wow, that sounds confrontive, doesn't it? That's not intentional....I have a tremendous amount of respect for the posters here. I'm just missing something and want to be as confident as others are. HELP! TIA.

Do we still have any posters from Aruba?

Have we ever discussed that "sharks" could be a metaphor for "card sharks" or "loan sharks?"

Or they went into the house and left her in the car (she refused to get out)...she grabbed Sander's cell phone (plugged into charge in car) and then ran to neighbors...

Only front page posters Arubaanse and Linda although I haven't seen Linda post in a while.

Homes in Aruba look kinda chitty!

Exactly!

 8) Good Morning All ~

Didn't Linda post in the last week or so....going back to see...

Have we ever discussed that "sharks" could be a metaphor for "card sharks" or "loan sharks?"

Sleuth wrote:
mishy wrote:
I will add that I was taking a computer class on the morning that Natalee missed her flight and my instructor was a Mtn Brook mom, who had just received word about Natalee on her email and told me about it. She said whoever emailed her said that they were searching for a "father and son" in relation to her disappearance...

It was weeks later when I heard speculation on the blogs or MSM that a "father" might have been involved...do I have that timeline right?


WOW Mishy, if that instructor had that on the day Natalee went missing, I wonder who she received the email from. If it was the morning Natalee went missing, that would have been PRIOR to Beth and Jug arriving and visiting the VDS property.

Spooky wrote:

wasnt that posted on that first tripadvisor post by the wife of one of the chaperones? i could be wrong. does anyone have those posts handy?

Does anybody else remember this tripadvisor post Spooky was talking about? I never went to tripadvisor...
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CBB - the call they were discussing on the Dr. Phil show was a different call.  The reason Beth is so sure Natalee was in the VDS home is based on the call received on May 30th.  The call they were discussing  on the Dr. Phil show was much later, durring the hurricaines.

The monkey sounds must be loud because Beth even heard them from the VDS residence.

Where's Red and Tom?

I hear Joran is back in Aruba for the summer and has a summer job.  I would like to know more about that.

It certainly makes sense it could have been Sander's phone...especially since it 'magically' disappeared during time frame!

......attempt to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

I hear Joran is back in Aruba for the summer and has a summer job.  I would like to know more about that.

Around....Tom very seldom posts (but I love it when he does - love your sense of humor, Tom).

I chatted with Red for a bit yesterday - he had a "honey do" list that he needed to work on.  I told him to say hi from me to the honey with the "do list"   :lol:  :lol:

Does Paul have a job?

Wonder if it was destroyed in the early cover up...

Paulus?  YES he works for the same Law firm now as Joran's lawyer Carlos.

I'm going to go wash the cobwebs out of my head.
Hiya' Whyte! I miss Tink, too. I hope the avatars will be back soon.

Easy............I, too, would like to know about Joran's summer job on Aruba. It surprises me he would choose to come back, but maybe it's cheaper on his parents to house him at home. I wonder who would hire him.
They could always hire him out in a freak show.

Have a great one, Monkeys!

I'm going to go wash the cobwebs out of my head.
Hiya' Whyte! I miss Tink, too. I hope the avatars will be back soon.

Easy............I, too, would like to know about Joran's summer job on Aruba. It surprises me he would choose to come back, but maybe it's cheaper on his parents to house him at home. I wonder who would hire him.
They could always hire him out in a freak show.

Have a great one, Monkeys!

 :lol:  :lol:

I've heard about putting lipstick on a pig, but the silk purse is new to me   :lol:

Lisa from St. Louis (sorry lost your nic in the thread change) wrote:
if there is "some" truth in every story..could she have hit her head on Joran's pool? In order to hear monkey screech would they have had to have been outside? So she hits her head while swimming...but not at beach!! Where are you going to hit your head at a beach?

There are small cove type beaches in that area, so there would be rocks along the edges....I'll grab a photo example and post in a sec...

Does Paul have a job?

Joran has a job?  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

I go back and forth but right now I am leaning toward 2K telling the truth that they actually went to the lighthouse not Joran's house.  In Deepak's June 9 statement he said they turned left off LG Smith toward Choose A Name, if they were going to Joran's house they would have just kept going in that direction.  However Deepak said they then circled around to get back on the main road, and that at 1:20 when they passed back thru the intersection where they encountered the MB kids before, the MB kids were no longer there.  How did he know they weren't still there unless he did turn around, and why take the chance of being contradicted on that by the MB kids, when he didn't need to say they turned around to go to the lighthouse, he could have just said they got back on the main road somewhere past Choose A Name.  There are other little things too, like Deepak saying Satish put in the porno when they reached La Cabana, La Cabana is on the main road, they wouldn't pass it going to Joran's house.  And in one of the statements Art Wood gave to the NE it said one of the suspects got out to relieve themselves at Arashi beach (contradicting Deepak's original statement hat they didn't stop), was that said in case someone saw the car parked.  Joran first mentioned stopping at his house in order to incriminate 2K, as part of his 2nd story, that 2K droped him off at his house and drove off with Nat.  Maybe even after he changed his story to agree with 2K on the M beach dropoff, he just decided to stick with saying they went to his house for some reason, perhaps because he didn't want to admit lying about that, and to counter the idea that Nat thought he was staying at the HI.  

If they did take Nat to the lighthouse/Arashi beach, whatever happened there Nat had to still be alive when she left, because it's not plausable that Deepak would have been home chatting on his computer just minutes after witnessing her death.  Unless Deepak went home leaving her alive with Joran and/or Satish on Arashi beach, but that doesn't make much sense.

I am intrigued that you call him Paul. I have read many threads here and in other places that call him Paulus.......PLUS, if I remember correctly, there was a video somewhere of even Anita calling him Paulus'....not Paul. I am sure Klaas has that on file. Then recently I read that his name is not paulus, and that he should be called paul. NOT that this info is important in anyway........but it is interesting. I DO REMEMBER in one interview that even ANITA called him PAULUS.....not paul....anyone else remember that??

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Over at BFN, there is the English translation of the Dutch version of AMW, the show that Holland did. In the show, they did mention going to the lighthouse. Deepak said, I guess in one of his statements that they stopped the car at Arashi Beach on the way back from the lighthouse as one of them had to relieve themselves. I don't know what the distance is from C & C's to the lighthouse. The car was spotted in front of Diamonds International on a camera at 1:18 ? it was said.
They were looking at quite a few different locations and also wanted any info from anyone who saw the car on hte way to Joran's.

I am intrigued that you call him Paul. I have read many threads here and in other places that call him Paulus.......PLUS, if I remember correctly, there was a video somewhere of even Anita calling him Paulus'....not Paul. I am sure Klaas has that on file. Then recently I read that his name is not paulus, and that he should be called paul. NOT that this info is important in anyway........but it is interesting. I DO REMEMBER in one interview that even ANITA called him PAULUS.....not paul....anyone else remember that??

Klaas

At Joran's bday party at KIA, I remember Jaime and Sander in pics in the parking lot.  Was Koen or Freddy there??  Do I remember this correctly??

In my opinion...that whole fiasco of the Dutch re-enactment was for show. So much was not even real, as far as we all know now as being truth. I do not trust Aruban/Dutch, period. They played that out carefully......there was a reason for that.

Sleuth:

Thanks for that picture. Lots of treacherous-looking rocks, that's for sure. And so close to Koen's.

I'm going to go wash the cobwebs out of my head.
Hiya' Whyte! I miss Tink, too. I hope the avatars will be back soon.

Easy............I, too, would like to know about Joran's summer job on Aruba. It surprises me he would choose to come back, but maybe it's cheaper on his parents to house him at home. I wonder who would hire him.
They could always hire him out in a freak show.

Have a great one, Monkeys!

Sleuth wrote:
mishy wrote:
I will add that I was taking a computer class on the morning that Natalee missed her flight and my instructor was a Mtn Brook mom, who had just received word about Natalee on her email and told me about it. She said whoever emailed her said that they were searching for a "father and son" in relation to her disappearance...

It was weeks later when I heard speculation on the blogs or MSM that a "father" might have been involved...do I have that timeline right?


WOW Mishy, if that instructor had that on the day Natalee went missing, I wonder who she received the email from. If it was the morning Natalee went missing, that would have been PRIOR to Beth and Jug arriving and visiting the VDS property.

Spooky wrote:

wasnt that posted on that first tripadvisor post by the wife of one of the chaperones? i could be wrong. does anyone have those posts handy?

Does anybody else remember this tripadvisor post Spooky was talking about? I never went to tripadvisor...
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I have a theory:  Joran killed Natalee.  Paulus disposed of the body.  Kalpoes were warned to keep quiet, or pay the price.

I don't think Natalee wanted to see the "big house" or "sharks" or wanted to have sex with the "exchange student" from Holland.  She wanted to go back to her hotel with the Dutch kid who was also staying at the hotel.

Tee hee!  Carlo's office of course! :lol:

I go back and forth but right now I am leaning toward 2K telling the truth that they actually went to the lighthouse not Joran's house.  In Deepak's June 9 statement he said they turned left off LG Smith toward Choose A Name, if they were going to Joran's house they would have just kept going in that direction.  However Deepak said they then circled around to get back on the main road, and that at 1:20 when they passed back thru the intersection where they encountered the MB kids before, the MB kids were no longer there.  How did he know they weren't still there unless he did turn around, and why take the chance of being contradicted on that by the MB kids, when he didn't need to say they turned around to go to the lighthouse, he could have just said they got back on the main road somewhere past Choose A Name.  There are other little things too, like Deepak saying Satish put in the porno when they reached La Cabana, La Cabana is on the main road, they wouldn't pass it going to Joran's house.  And in one of the statements Art Wood gave to the NE it said one of the suspects got out to relieve themselves at Arashi beach (contradicting Deepak's original statement hat they didn't stop), was that said in case someone saw the car parked.  Joran first mentioned stopping at his house in order to incriminate 2K, as part of his 2nd story, that 2K droped him off at his house and drove off with Nat.  Maybe even after he changed his story to agree with 2K on the M beach dropoff, he just decided to stick with saying they went to his house for some reason, perhaps because he didn't want to admit lying about that, and to counter the idea that Nat thought he was staying at the HI.  

If they did take Nat to the lighthouse/Arashi beach, whatever happened there Nat had to still be alive when she left, because it's not plausable that Deepak would have been home chatting on his computer just minutes after witnessing her death.  Unless Deepak went home leaving her alive with Joran and/or Satish on Arashi beach, but that doesn't make much sense.

 :lol:  :lol:

I've heard about putting lipstick on a pig, but the silk purse is new to me   :lol:

Yes.  Aruba has a huge contrast in beaches for such a small island.  Palm Beach (where the HI is, it is like a huge flat, shallow pool with no waves).  Eagle Beach to the south (LaCabana area, for example) has more waves (not for surfing, but more wave action than Palm).   Both Palm and Eagle are hard sand bottoms and great for swimming - no rocks, dropoffs, sandbars.  Then when you get up toward Malmok you get the rock coves - these areas are great for snorkeling, etc.

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 Perhaps he is HEAD DONG at the VIP club. ACKKKKKKKK!!

Easy wrote: Joran killed Natalee. Paulus disposed of the body. Kalpoes were warned to keep quiet, or pay the price.
I agree - that's why Joran was away from the house most of the day on Monday, May 30th while Paul worked out the details and then called the Kalpoes and Joran to come to Montanja19 to learn law lesson 101 around the pool.

Morning all ...

Have not had time to listen to the PodCast but have read the transcript.
Just making a qucik post & go  (sorry)

I was sure hoping Dana & Art could have confirmed one way or the
other  who was staying in the JVDS house hold  Sunday / Monday. :cry:

IF younger brother(s) were home... to me less chance of cover-up activities occuring there yet makes you question Monday night. when police arrive and Papa heads out with ALE to the casino.
Did anyone see people peeking out the windows when police were talking in the front yard with MB group?
JMO  of course

Sorry for the post & run...   catch ya later
SeeeeeYaaaaByeeeeeeeee

Klaas

At Joran's bday party at KIA, I remember Jaime and Sander in pics in the parking lot.  Was Koen or Freddy there??  Do I remember this correctly??

 :?: No comprendo! :?:

I think that is basically it, but what happened afterward is the true mystery.

Easy wrote: Joran killed Natalee. Paulus disposed of the body. Kalpoes were warned to keep quiet, or pay the price.
I agree - that's why Joran was away from the house most of the day on Monday, May 30th while Paul worked out the details and then called the Kalpoes and Joran to come to Montanja19 to learn law lesson 101 around the pool.

I have a theory:  ( I could see it  :wink: ) Joran killed Natalee.  Paulus disposed of the body.  Kalpoes were warned to keep quiet, or pay the price.

KLAAS:   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I doubt that Natalee is anywhere near the VDS compound. It would be too much like "The Telltale Heart" by Poe. It would make Paul go slowly crazy.

I think that is basically it, but what happened afterward is the true mystery.

Does Chinese water torture really work? Just curious…..

JORAN'S SUMMER JOB  :lol:  :lol:



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Here is a link to Trip Advisor : Ashley79 was the one who was providing the info:
http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g147247-i144-k158081-Aruba-Aruba.html

I think that is basically it, but what happened afterward is the true mystery.

JORAN'S SUMMER JOB  :lol:  :lol:



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what do you think guys...

I just keep going back to where the most 'evidence" (what little is left) points to...and I think I have to conclude the following...

2:30ish at the pond area
1) gardner reliable witness and passed polygraph
2) it court records phone call was made by Joran about that time and the triangulation of call puts him in that area.

makes alot of sense to me too...if she passes out at lighthouse...they start to take her back to her hotel but stop there to take advantage of her. I am starting to think this is the scene of most of the crime!!

She hits her head struggling to get out of the car as she is coming to.

3:00ish they are back at Joran's

1) again court records according to David Koch shows another call from Joran's cell and now he is in vicinity of his own home.
2)Natalee get's in a call with the screeching monkey in the background.

So now they have taken advantage of her...she has hit her head trying to get out of car in the pond area...can't take her back to hotel...everyone would know what happened...they have been seen by gardner...so they head back to Joran's to regroup and figure out what to do next with the injured Natalee.

I really think at this point...because they are so casual about what they are doing..ie logging on computer etc...they intended to let her sleep it off while they figured a story to tell the next day and Natalee expired once they had put her to bed.
would explain the DNA evidence in Joran's room that Jossy was sure they found but then dissappeared
and Klaas...can you help me here...was it reported they got a new mattress that was delivered by the furniture truck or was that speculation?

I doubt that Natalee is anywhere near the VDS compound. It would be too much like "The Telltale Heart" by Poe. It would make Paul go slowly crazy.

Funny you should mention that.  Early on a friend of mine in Aruba would always refer to him as Paul.  I asked about that and was told most people called him Paul.  I guess it is kind of like Michael and Mike.  My wives always called me Michael for some reason, but friends call me Mike or a$$hole.   8)

 :?: No comprendo! :?:

I relistened to the Greta interview with Anita and her husband.  She didn't call him Paulus or Paul in that interview - just "my husband"

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I relistened to the Greta interview with Anita and her husband.  She didn't call him Paulus or Paul in that interview - just "my husband"

Ya don't think that Joran might be working for Aruba Today as a gopher for Ms Renfro and Mr Lacle.    I think he owes them big time!

what do you think guys...

I just keep going back to where the most 'evidence" (what little is left) points to...and I think I have to conclude the following...

2:30ish at the pond area
1) gardner reliable witness and passed polygraph
2) it court records phone call was made by Joran about that time and the triangulation of call puts him in that area.

makes alot of sense to me too...if she passes out at lighthouse...they start to take her back to her hotel but stop there to take advantage of her. I am starting to think this is the scene of most of the crime!!

She hits her head struggling to get out of the car as she is coming to.

3:00ish they are back at Joran's

1) again court records according to David Koch shows another call from Joran's cell and now he is in vicinity of his own home.
2)Natalee get's in a call with the screeching monkey in the background.

So now they have taken advantage of her...she has hit her head trying to get out of car in the pond area...can't take her back to hotel...everyone would know what happened...they have been seen by gardner...so they head back to Joran's to regroup and figure out what to do next with the injured Natalee.

I really think at this point...because they are so casual about what they are doing..ie logging on computer etc...they intended to let her sleep it off while they figured a story to tell the next day and Natalee expired once they had put her to bed.
would explain the DNA evidence in Joran's room that Jossy was sure they found but then dissappeared
and Klaas...can you help me here...was it reported they got a new mattress that was delivered by the furniture truck or was that speculation?

With Greta and  Beth, the oinker called him "the judge."

Or perspire profusely perhaps ???????

With Greta and  Beth, the oinker called him "the judge."

JORAN'S SUMMER JOB  :lol:  :lol:



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My son is Michael we call him Mikey.  When that kiddo has man-spurts he asks to be called Mike. :lol:

Oh my GOD!!!!!!!!!!!! That is so perfect. Klaas - that is worthy of the SM Hall of Fame for sure. Love it love it love it.

Ya don't think that Joran might be working for Aruba Today as a gopher for Ms Renfro and Mr Lacle.    I think he owes them big time!

lol lol lol  Talk about your biggie size!

ono wrote:


I thought Greta should have thrown him a life preserver when she interviewed them at the house. :lol:

At least when he gets off work at 4 am - oh, I mean 10 pm - he can call Paulus/Paul to come pick him up....

PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 7:52 pm

Somebody saw the car of the brothers (the person is very familiar with the car, sees it almost daily, saw the brothers on the road at two am, going TO the direction of Montanja.


I'm going to call my cousin and let her know. She's a cop. And no, that's not the reason why I'm so gung-ho about defending the cops from corruption accusations. We're not that close

I believe speculation.

ono wrote:


I thought Greta should have thrown him a life preserver when she interviewed them at the house. :lol:

Klaas...sorry so ignorant...which way is this?

No kidding...and I wondered at the time if he was wearing any deoderant? :?

Would've been on the C n' C video cam twice.

I hate to be prejudicial, but there is something about that lying face that makes me want to break kneecaps, until I hear one word of truth.

LOL! I meant "deodorant....."

Klaas...sorry so ignorant...which way is this?

No doubt, she did, in her interview with his spawn, Joran.  I say no life preserver is better than Greta agreeing with the sporter in a flirting kind of way and calling Beth to tell her she believes the Sporter & Paulus over Beth.  How much better life preserver do you want?!?

Sleuth wrote:

He wouldn't work there, he couldn't wear that damned plaid shirt. :roll:

Hi Mikey   :wink:

but friends call me Mike or a$$hole.

Over at RU, someone is adding this to the "Info for Joe T's Sue You List".

Montanja is where the VDS home is.  So the vehicle was seen driving in the towards the VDS home and not towards the Kalpoe home.

Over at RU, someone is adding this to the "Info for Joe T's Sue You List".

Over at RU, someone is adding this to the "Info for Joe T's Sue You List".

So true Houdini---- frankly I think the first 3 words sum up Our Dear Sporter.... "He wouldn't work". No way is he working. He is a lazy, spoiled brat. Oh yeah and a sociopath.

So true Houdini---- frankly I think the first 3 words sum up Our Dear Sporter.... "He wouldn't work".  No way is he working.  He is a lazy, spoiled brat.  Oh yeah and a sociopath.

If he is tending bar at C-n-C's................

Over at RU, someone is adding this to the "Info for Joe T's Sue You List".

WOw, I didn't know there were any refugees left at the camp.

WOw, I didn't know there were any refugees left at the camp.

Who is Sue You? Is she Chinese? 8)

ONO wrote:


Well, that stinks! :lol:

I'm coming after you!  The legend goes that I will eat anything once and I didn't explode after putting those Pop Rocks in my mouth and drinking a Pepsi! lol

Of course, Easy has so much money, I am sure it would exceed anything the legions of Democrats and Republicans could give lawyers. :wink:

WOw, I didn't know there were any refugees left at the camp.

Who is Sue You? Is she Chinese? 8)

Hey Easy-you like older women? :)

I think I was married to Soo Yoo one time, but I'm not certain...

 8) Oh, I know who you mean now, that woman named Sue You Yoo. Yeah, she's Cinese. 8)

Bad news guys.....O'Douls was adopted.  Someone else came before Mr. Whyte and got him.

 :evil:  :twisted:  :evil:  :twisted:  :evil:  :twisted:

Mr. Whyte is soooo sad!

ANIMAL SHELTERS SUCK!

Klaas noticed last night that there was no one logged on to the site, and there was not a thread to cover last night's program.

Bad news guys.....O'Douls was adopted.  Someone else came before Mr. Whyte and got him.

 :evil:  :twisted:  :evil:  :twisted:  :evil:  :twisted:

Mr. Whyte is soooo sad!

ANIMAL SHELTERS SUCK!

Well, that is sad news!  Want me to send you some cats?  I seem to attract the damn things.

Used as a phrase when trying to make something look pretty that just can not be done ...

I'm going to look at it a different way.  Maybe O'Douls had a medical problem the shelter wasn't aware of.  I think it was gods way of not allowing you to go through the sadness again of loosing a pet.  It was not meant to be for a reason, you will find the right one...I know you will!

Ahem.... I think that most of them work at night.   :wink:

Easy:

Sue You, Soo Yoo, and Sue You Yoo are cousins.

Sue You, Soo Yoo, and Sue You Yoo are cousins.

O/T

It just dawned on me how much impact an small occurrence can have on a person's life.

Up until last night, I had never found a frog sitting in my commode, so the chances of it happening again are slim to none.

And yet...I just know that for the rest of my life, everytime I walk into the bathroom I am going to look for a frog in the commode. :shock:  :lol:

O/T

It just dawned on me how much impact an small occurrence can have on a person's life.

Up until last night, I had never found a frog sitting in my commode, so the chances of it happening again are slim to none.

And yet...I just know that for the rest of my life, everytime I walk into the bathroom I am going to look for a frog in the commode. :shock:  :lol:

O/T
It just dawned on me how much impact an small occurrence can have on a person's life.
Up until last night, I had never found a frog sitting in my commode, so the chances of it happening again are slim to none.
And yet...I just know that for the rest of my life, everytime I walk into the bathroom I am going to look for a frog in the commode. :shock:  :lol:

Just sit down, close your eyes and expect the unexpected.

 
"Even if the monkey is dressed in silk she is still a monkey"

Just sit down, close your eyes and expect the unexpected.   8)

I always check the bowl, because one day I found a mouse swimming in circles like something out of Alice in Wonderland.  It was a freezing cold winter day so I scooped the rodent out with a coffee can and pored off the excess water leaving him in the coffee can in the bathroom sink.  He was exhausted and I thought he was near death so I left him until I could decide what to do.  When I returned to the bathroom-he was gone!

Easywriter wrote:

And wouldn't it be sumtin if after the unexpected, there was a prince in da bowl. :shock:

LOL Klaas on the photo..


Kat_Gram...I think Frijole was just joking...

Well, that is sad news!  Want me to send you some cats?  I seem to attract the damn things.

Ono wrote:

All members of the Who Sue Who Klan.  Very popular during the Kaching Dynasty.

There was an inner revolution because the two brothers "Me Sue You", and "I Sue You Too" were cheated out of their inheritance.

The rest is history. :lol:

I KNEW I should have asked my 6 year old to say the prayer...he is in much better with God than I!!! haha really almost asked him!! Your kitty is coming!! I just KNOW it!!

 
BTW...any kids with Soo Yoo? :wink:

 8)  :lol:  8) ....."Chinese"  I think she moved away a year ago.

Just sit down, close your eyes and expect the unexpected.   8)

Weren't Hoo Hoo's a chocolate treat guaranteed to raise the BP?

Instructions for how to measure the money for the silk dress :wink:

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Well, that puts a new "slant" on the story!

 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

And if so, is the name Soo Mee?

Been praying since yesterday, I asked Mikey to pray for me, geesh!  I say there is a curse in this house where I can only keep one cat. Any other pet that comes into the house asides from KC ends up sick or dead.  I don't get it!  We've spent hundreds in vet bills, it's not like we don't care!

When I had all five kids in here I babysat four hermit crabs...those were the most spoiled crabs ever!  Did you know they love Cheerios?  :shock:   I gave my nice a zip lock with sea salt to sprinkle on their drinking water and they went over to the shell with water more than the damp sponge.

They are very easy to take care of pets...if a kid asks for a pet consider a hermit crab.  To me, way better than turtles!

For our PA monkeys...

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Good with garlic/butter too!

Easywriter wrote:

You mean Ho Ho's?

Well, I wasn't going to talk about that Ho Ho! But, since you brought it up.... She was kinda sweet and tasted like chocolate. I remember her well and it still makes my yoo yoo hoo hoo...

That could be the route past Choose-A-Name to the VDS residence in Montanja.    Or one never knows, did they go toward Koen (past LaCabana per Charles Croes account), and then from there went toward Montanja.......

You better protect those kneecaps of yours, buddy, I am an animal lover! lol

Easywriter wrote:

Did she sing "If you'll be my dixie chicken, I'll be your Tennessee lamb?

I might know her. :cry:

You Too?

I knew she had been around!

Can I say Joe Tacopina is a blood-sucking opportunist, or will that piss-off the RU site?

Man, I would love for that joke to come to Alabama and sue my old ass.  We would break news then.  Or, Joey would break wind and run like the shister he is!  Did I say “shister?”  

Look it up RU!

Can I say Joe Tacopina is a blood-sucking opportunist, or will that piss-off the RU site?

Man, I would love for that joke to come to Alabama and sue my old ass.  We would break news then.  Or, Joey would break wind and run like the shister he is!  Did I say “shister?”  

Look it up RU!

ldstlou's Theory:

Leave C&C's around 1:00ish
Only one intention they had!! Find a victim to slip a date rape drug to and take advantage of. Happened at least 20 times before!! Drug is put in her shot/drink and the plan is in motion.

At some point one of the Kalpoes is dropped off at home..conclude this because of computer records...one of the boys was home...most likely Satish...did he have school the next day?

k2 have stuck to story of visiting the lighthouse...Deepak goes into pretty great detail as to drive in his statements...how fast/slow he was driving, Natalee falling asleep...asking what hotel she was staying at...etc....so she wants to visit lighthouse...drug starts kicking in...and she passes out. I think if more had happened here...would see some kind of hint in Deepak's statement. Does not appear to be a threat to tell this part of the story to Deepak!! Joran started out saying they visited there...I think his motive for changing shortly after was so he could shift blame to Deepak by saying he was dropped off at home and Deepak left w/ Natalee in the car.

Another thought...had to drive around somewhere until the drug kicked in!!

Head back from lighthouse. Is Satish already home at this point and the 3rd perp gardner could not identify has already been picked up or do they drop him off now and then pick up 3rd perp (Freddy?)

Natalee is now passed out cold. That was their intention!! To drug her and then rape her. So they find a spot close to her hotel in order to take advantage of her....thus the pond.

2:30ish at the pond area
1) gardner reliable witness and passed polygraph (Dave discusses gardner and possible scenario on pages 152 and 153 of his book)
2) it court records phone call was made by Joran about that time and the triangulation of call puts him in that area.

makes alot of sense to me too...if she passes out at lighthouse...they start to take her back to her hotel but stop there to take advantage of her. I am starting to think this is the scene of most of the crime!! This was in fact their original intention!! To slip her a date rape drug and then take advantage of her!! Seems to me this was the logical place for them to go. If I remember correctly, it is by the racquetball club and so they were familiar with the area, it was close to where she is staying..so they can dump her after...and the area is secluded...so don't have to worry about being caught!!

BUT!!! did not count on the gardner passing by...AND!! Natalee is slipping IN as well as out of consciousness!!

So Natalee has some level of consciousness...awakes to find herself being attack and starts to fight back and try to get away....or seeing the gardner throws the perps into a panic and Natalee has an opportunity to try and get away. She struggles to get out of the car...falls and hits her head.

Now their initial plan falls apart....have been seen by gardner, Natalee has injured her head... and they can't just dump her off at her hotel anymore!! So they go back to Joran's house to regroup. Deepak drops them off home and heads back to his own house. Joran, Natalee and 3rd perp (Freddy) are now at VDS property.

3:00ish they are back at Joran's

1) again court records according to David Koch shows another call from Joran's cell and now he is in vicinity of his own home. Call to Deepak's house...but if Deepak's phone is out of minutes...could have used Joran's to call his brother Satish who is home...tells Satish...I am on my way home...is Mom there yet? is she still awake? etc. Did not have Deepak's cell or home phone records in court so easily could have been Deepak using Joran's cell to call home landline phone.
2)Natalee gets in a call with the screeching monkey in the background.

So now they have taken advantage of her...she has hit her head trying to get out of car in the pond area...can't take her back to hotel...everyone would know what happened...they have been seen by gardner...so they head back to Joran's to regroup and figure out what to do next with the injured Natalee.

I really think at this point...because they are so casual about what they are doing..ie logging on computer etc...they intended to let her sleep it off while they figured a story to tell the next day and Natalee expired once they had put her to bed.
would explain the DNA evidence in Joran's room that Jossy was sure they found but then disappeared

They eventually have to get her back to her hotel!! But in a panic...don't want to do it right away because they were just seen by gardner and her head is bleeding. So they put her to bed in Joran's apartment with the intention of dropping her off right before her plane is do to depart so she can not alert anyone as to what had just happened. Could also explain where Joran comes up with Satish saying just leave her!! Probably actually said by Deepak as they are trying to figure out what to do with her at the pond...maybe one idea is to just dump her at the beach by fisherman's hut...but what if she doesn't wake up in time and misses her plane? Then they are in trouble because she would be able to tell authorities what they did to her...so they have to get her back to hotel....but time it so she makes it to her departing plane so she is off the island and they are out of trouble.

So they are now at Joran's apartment...Joran goes to main house...gets something to eat...logs on to computer...all his actions are calm...don't think he was alarmed yet. I don't think he suspects anything other than Natalee is sleeping it off and he is trying to come up with a plan so he can get her back to her hotel in time to catch the plane and not get accused of raping her. Natalee is in Joran's apartment and slips in her call...3rd person (Freddy?) catches her and is the voice in the background.  

Now what happens? Does (Freddy) panic and hurt her...or does she pass away from hitting her head earlier or date rape drug?

Joran logs off computer about  3:30ish...goes back to his apartment...and he finds Natalee has expired...either by 3rd perp (Freddy) or from her injury/drug

now another rush of activity!!!
4am...Paulus is out and about by McD's
Deepak frantically washing his car
is this when the 8 1/2 minute phone call happens?

I think this is my final theory...to me...makes sense...can explain so much of what was said by the 3 perps!!

comments?

I think we have gotten away from the pond area and evidence but I think it is the initial scene of the rape and possible fall/head injury.
What else do we know about the pond area? Wasn't it just recently said by Jossy or Art that half way through draining..it appeared they found evidence and police were scurrying!! Sorry...remember I painting until 3am..posted at 4am..haha not much sleep!!

I think it is spelled SHYSTER. I am not sure what a SHYSTER is except I have always used it in the sense of a crooked lawyer. So, it does fit Joe Tacopina.

The big problem with CnCs to Arashi to Montanja scenario is the "I'm home" text message.  Doesn't make sense that Joran would be telling Deepak he ws home if Deepak had dropped him off at home.

That is also the big problem with the gardener's 2:30 pond sighting.  Deepak logged on at 2:00.  If Taco is correct that Joran's call to Deepak was at 2:26, then assuming computer records can't prove Deepak was actually on the computer from 2:26-2:55 (time it would have taken him to drive to the pond and back) if Deepak left almost immediately after 2:26 then driving quickly he could have reached the pond at around 2:40.  But then why was Joran messaging Deepak a little after 3:00 to tell him "I'm home" and asking "Whats' up"?  What is the scenario where 30 minutes after Deepak has rushed out for 2:40 pond meeting, Joran has somehow returned home without getting a ride from Deepak, and Deepak is also at home exchanging the sort of casual messages with Joran that don't make any sense, unless at that point at least one of them did not realize anything was wrong.

I don't see any way the gardener's story can be true without him being mistaken about Deepak being in the car: Either there were actually only two people in the car, Joran and the one in back he couldn't identify, or there were three and the one he identified as Deepak was actually someone else.

Easywriter wrote:

We should write a freakin' song about it.  I don't know about you, but the whole sordid affair "scarred" me.


Of course, it could have been that pot of hot coffee she poured on me, right before she left. :lol:

The big problem with CnCs to Arashi to Montanja scenario is the "I'm home" text message.  Doesn't make sense that Joran would be telling Deepak he ws home if Deepak had dropped him off at home.

That is also the big problem with the gardener's 2:30 pond sighting.  Deepak logged on at 2:00.  If Taco is correct that Joran's call to Deepak was at 2:26, then assuming computer records can't prove Deepak was actually on the computer from 2:26-2:55 (time it would have taken him to drive to the pond and back) if Deepak left almost immediately after 2:26 then driving quickly he could have reached the pond at around 2:40.  But then why was Joran messaging Deepak a little after 3:00 to tell him "I'm home" and asking "Whats' up"?  What is the scenario where 30 minutes after Deepak has rushed out for 2:40 pond meeting, Joran has somehow returned home without getting a ride from Deepak, and Deepak is also at home exchanging the sort of casual messages with Joran that don't make any sense, unless at that point at least one of them did not realize anything was wrong.

I don't see any way the gardener's story can be true without him being mistaken about Deepak being in the car: Either there were actually only two people in the car, Joran and the one in back he couldn't identify, or there were three and the one he identified as Deepak was actually someone else.

Damn! She just told me to stick a pot of coffee up my arse! It was a little HOT, but I did what she asked...

Easywriter wrote:



Regular or Decaf?

Dude we are like ying-yang (continuing with the Chinese theme)...when you asked about Chinese torture I thought you were watching Myth Busters...they were testing turtures in one recent episode.

When I say that ying-yang thing is like when you feel down I am up, and backwards.  Dunno why.  Today you are funny and I am down.  Geez. :roll:   I will get off soon and start cooking and try and watch the Cup.  I am disappointed at the results fra-ita finals, wth...Hope Italy wins, I am boycotting France.

Weren't they backup singers for Hoo Hoo Boo Boo?

Why, yes they were, as a matter of fact. Whatever became of that group?

Ono wrote:

All members of the Who Sue Who Klan.  Very popular during the Kaching Dynasty.

There was an inner revolution because the two brothers "Me Sue You", and "I Sue You Too" were cheated out of their inheritance.

The rest is history. :lol:

Just sit down, close your eyes and expect the unexpected.   8)

And if so, is the name Soo Mee?

Sleuth wrote:

If it was a boy he would be named    "Soo He".

And a girl would be named   "Noo Soo".

Of course if Sue had been from Iraq, she would have been named  Ali Mony.........but I digress. :lol:

Be glad you didn't close you eyes, sit down, and then it hopped. :shock:

Ah so...yes, the Kaching Dynasty...closely aligned with the Cha Ching Dynasty...traces of their lineage still exist

I wonder if the insurance company would have paid for an Emergency Room visit due to "frog up butt."

BTgirl wrote:

I wonder if you would be considered "amphibious". :shock:

Of course, your legs might be very popular. :lol:

Ono wrote:

They changed their name to "the occidental tourist". :lol:

Broadcasting Sunday evenings for your listening pleasure live from the Orient Express..

Ono wrote:

For many years here in the US, vases from the Cha Ching Dynasty were treasured and over the years their name was so often mispronounced that they became known as "change jars". :lol:

I'll bet "Soo Me" took Easywriter's when she left. :cry:

I wonder if the insurance company would have paid for an Emergency Room visit due to "frog up butt." :shock:

Ono wrote:

For many years here in the US, vases from the Cha Ching Dynasty were treasured and over the years their name was so often mispronounced that they became known as "change jars". :lol:

I'll bet "Soo Me" took Easywriter's when she left. :cry:

 :shock: I think it's called Frogupp - Butt Syndrome...very rare.

Send me a picture, Thirdstrike, Easywriter and I will critique your "gams" and post the results. :lol:

Ono wrote:

I'm becoming "disoriented". :shock:

And how do you know my legs are not already very popular? :lol:

Ono wrote:

I'm becoming "disoriented". :shock:

So rare that the excitement of it makes it hard to sit down!

 :cry: No doubt she did.

So rare that the excitement of it makes it hard to sit down!

Houdini
I thought I had be hacked and my SM Link was redirected to a "Twilight Zone or Outer Limits" site for a bit when I first started reading a few pages back

Were you refering to Soo Me Wun or Soo Me Tu??

Were you refering to Soo Me Wun or  Soo Me Tu??

So rare that the excitement of it makes it hard to sit down!

Whoo, hoo, whoo ,whoooooo  Yoooooooo, Yoooooooooooooooo I am  talking to yooooooooooooooooo

Whoo, hoo, whoo ,whoooooo  Yoooooooo, Yoooooooooooooooo I am  talking to yooooooooooooooooo

Medical Insurance for Frog removal question ... I cannot answer..
but mine paid for a pulled back.
Lets just say I sat down on the commode and one of the kids had put their "Rubber Duck" in it.
But then agian I did not give the real reason how I pulled it.

BT
I take it you found a frog in the commode?   :shock:

Medical Insurance for Frog removal question ... I cannot answer..
but mine paid for a pulled back.  
Lets just  say I sat down on the commode and one of the kids had put their  "Rubber Duck" in it.  
But then agian I did not give the real reason how I pulled it.
 :wink:

You! You! Give me fever! When you hold me tight. Fever when, when you kiss me...

Oldfart wrote:

Okay Oldfart, that has to be the funniest post of the day.  You're lucky all you pulled was your back.  I would have broke my neck. :lol:

BTgirl wrote:And how do you know my legs are not already very popular?

Here ya go! Oh wait - "gams" and "yams" are the same thing, right?

We blondes are so easily confused you know. 8)

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BT
I take it you found a frog in the commode?   :shock:

Medical Insurance for Frog removal question ... I cannot answer..
but mine paid for a pulled back.  
Lets just  say I sat down on the commode and one of the kids had put their  "Rubber Duck" in it.  
But then agian I did not give the real reason how I pulled it.
 :wink:

Here ya go! Oh wait - "gams" and "yams" are the same thing, right?

We blondes are so easily confused you know.

Stand back!

I'm going to sing. I have a need.

BTgirl wrote:

 :shock: OMG, if dey is yo legs.......well I will definitely have to consult with TS, and Easywriter before I render an appraisal.

P.S.

Which end do da shoes go on?

Easywriter wrote:

Belt it out Easy, music doth sooth the savage beast. :lol:

Shoes?  

You're not talking about cooking?  

So does this mean gams and yams are NOT the same thing?

Pretty woman...................................

Easywriter wrote:


You remembered it "word for word". :lol:

BTgirl wrote:


Oops My Bad...............forgot I was talking to a "southern blonde". :lol:

Pretty woman, walking down the street
Pretty woman, the kind I like to meet
Pretty woman, I dont believe you
You're not the truth
No one could look as good as you
Mercy
Pretty woman, won't you pardon me
Pretty woman, I couldnt help by see
That you look lovely as can be
Are you lonely just like me?
Pretty woman, stop a while
Pretty woman, talk a while
Pretty woman, give your smile to me
Pretty woman, look my way
Pretty woman, say you'll stay with me
'Cause I need you, I'll treat you right
Come with me baby
Be mind tonight
Pretty woman, dont walk on by
Pretty woman, dont make me cry
Pretty woman, dont walk away hey
Okay, if that's the way it must be, okay
I guess I'll go on home, its late
There'll be tomorrow night, but wait!
What do I see?
Is she walking back to me?
Yeah, she's walking back to me!
Oh, pretty woman

Don’t be down!  There is something on the horizon and it might answer many of our questions.  Just stay tuned and the truth will spill across this website like pouring rain.  It is all there and the story will soon be told.

Hang tight my friend…

Ya don't think that Joran might be working for Aruba Today as a gopher for Ms Renfro and Mr Lacle.    I think he owes them big time!

You!  You!  Give me fever!  When you hold me tight.  Fever when, when you kiss me...

Hmmmm, hmmm, hmmmm YOU give me fever!

Yesterday, a voice cried out and promised a call.  The telephone rang, but it was not the promise expected.

Posted by Arubagirl on the front page on June 12, 2005:

Cancun, v/d Sloot, who everyone seems to be concentrating, is prob. upper middle class. I’m guessing his father earns about $70,000 max per year (taking the $1=afl. 1.80 exchange rate). I think it’s more in the $55.000 range. It’s a lot of money by Aruban standards, but I doubt that they’re millionares.

As for the Suriname brothers, don’t know. They own a car-rental, but I don’t know how profitable that business is. I’ve never heard of the Kalpoe family either before this.

I did not want to feel this way but I was always dubious about her posts/motives. Couldn't shake that little red flag waving there in the background. Nothing sinister, just ever so not quite right.

You are not alone.

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ldstlou wrote:
what do you think guys...

I just keep going back to where the most 'evidence" (what little is left) points to...and I think I have to conclude the following...

2:30ish at the pond area
1) gardner reliable witness and passed polygraph
2) it court records phone call was made by Joran about that time and the triangulation of call puts him in that area.

makes alot of sense to me too...if she passes out at lighthouse...they start to take her back to her hotel but stop there to take advantage of her. I am starting to think this is the scene of most of the crime!!

She hits her head struggling to get out of the car as she is coming to.

3:00ish they are back at Joran's

1) again court records according to David Koch shows another call from Joran's cell and now he is in vicinity of his own home.
2)Natalee get's in a call with the screeching monkey in the background.

So now they have taken advantage of her...she has hit her head trying to get out of car in the pond area...can't take her back to hotel...everyone would know what happened...they have been seen by gardner...so they head back to Joran's to regroup and figure out what to do next with the injured Natalee.

I really think at this point...because they are so casual about what they are doing..ie logging on computer etc...they intended to let her sleep it off while they figured a story to tell the next day and Natalee expired once they had put her to bed.
would explain the DNA evidence in Joran's room that Jossy was sure they found but then dissappeared

just to continue a moment...Joran is on computer...still too casual...don't think he suspects anything other than Natalee is sleeping it off and they are trying to come up with a plan so they don't get accused of raping her. Logs off about 3:30ish...goes back to his apartment...tries to wake her up and get her back to her hotel...and maybe the plan was to take her back at this point and leave her abandoned on the beach!!...but he finds she has expired...now another rush of activity!!!
4am...Paulus is out and about by McD's
Deepak frantically washing his car
is this when the 8 1/2 minute phone call happens?

I think this is my final theory...to me...makes sense...can explain so much of what was said with this...going to work more detail in as time allows (when the painting is done!! haha)

comments?

I just think we all forgot about the pond area!! Very crucial I think!!
What else do we know about the pond area? Was't it just recently said by Jossy or Art that half way through draining..it appeared they found eveidence and police were scurrying!! Sorry...remember I paiting until 3am..posted at 4am..haha not much sleep!!

O/T

It just dawned on me how much impact an small occurrence can have on a person's life.

Up until last night, I had never found a frog sitting in my commode, so the chances of it happening again are slim to none.

And yet...I just know that for the rest of my life, everytime I walk into the bathroom I am going to look for a frog in the commode. :shock:  :lol:

Yesterday, a voice cried out and promised a call.  The telephone rang, but it was not the promise expected.

BTgirl,

I can't find BettyCroaker, have you seen her???She was my favorite and her two little toads (Crunchy & Frogen Das) miss her badly..

I like to read...any good websites out there?

San, if your still here.  You have mail.....

Well I have to tell Sir Croaks alot that the raccoons have her, figures..

BTGirl if you see BettyCroaker, tell her that  Snoop Froggy Frog wants a date with her..Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

BTW our good friend at arubassilence said she is not leaving....boo hoo.... so her site will still be running.

Ousted Michelle's blog for accusing her of personal gain.  Gossip anyone?  :P

Oh, I'm glad to know that..

hey everyone, whats going on?  I have been gone for over a week, anything new or just the same old crap?

hey everyone, whats going on?  I have been gone for over a week, anything new or just the same old crap?

And FYI Blah, both transcripts have their own thread :arrow:

Hey Blah - we saw you on TV at the Shuttle launch  :lol:  :lol:


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Posted by Arubagirl on the front page on June 12, 2005:

Cancun, v/d Sloot, who everyone seems to be concentrating, is prob. upper middle class. I’m guessing his father earns about $70,000 max per year (taking the $1=afl. 1.80 exchange rate). I think it’s more in the $55.000 range. It’s a lot of money by Aruban standards, but I doubt that they’re millionares.

As for the Suriname brothers, don’t know. They own a car-rental, but I don’t know how profitable that business is. I’ve never heard of the Kalpoe family either before this.

What people are they winning?

Thank you, Klaas.  This is what a family member found out but no one believed it.  Family member was concerned about car rental being a front for something else.

Tylergal - I know you are behind but it was the World Cup.  I'm with you by the way, could care less about it, LOLOL  :lol:

I knew.  I was just joking because it was written as if Italy was winning people.  No punctuation makes things difficult to read.  You know that English major slips out occasionaly. :wink:

NOTE TO SELF:  Do not write when excited.  Keep in mind that English is not your first language.  :P

I'll bite...what's up with this, Whyte?

CHICKS YOU GOTTA LOVE JOHNNY DEPP (About his love for his wife):

"I just knew, you know, it's over with," he told Oprah Winfrey of meeting French pop singer Vanessa Paradis in Paris in 1998. Since then the couple (in January) – who've never married – have been inseparable. "Our story is love and friendship united," she wrote in a tribute to Depp in French Elle. "I have the impression that no one could love the way we love."

She had the guts to put a link to the people that talked bad about her and made accusations (Michelle's blog).

Not his wife.  Mother of his children though, but they never wed.

yeah thanks for that correction Jacqueline.  Geesh I can't help it but missing those little details...

Life partners.  Buddies.  Husband and wife.  Two souls united with one common goal.  Whatever.  I consider my own marriage the same thing.

I will post this so nobody goes to the site:  This is the header:

It's not guts my friend, its telling people if that is the garbage they want to believe, then be it.  Was she, or the person who wrote it in Aruba with me?  NO, they have no idea why I was there, or what I was doing there.  So there for I feel if someone is going to write about someone, unless you have facts, they need to just "not write".  That was a very unethical way to do things the way they did, the ones who even wrote comments on Kaths behalf were NOT even posted.  Sad that people like that are out there isn't it?

Well, I am interested in what everyone has to say about this case.  I know there are some who know more than others but it might be that someone who only knows one piece of the puzzle and not the whole thing who connects the missing dots, Refugees and their ilk excepted when I mentioned interested in everyone's opinion.

Whyte, why are you opposed to that website?  It supports the H/T families.  She has put a lot of time, emotions and money into searching for answers, IMO  If you have any "dirt" on her, then please dish instead of make innuendos.

Hi,

I just went to www.arubasilence.com  and got a travel site.  Anyone have the correct address?

Thank you!!!!

Hi,

I just went to www.arubasilence.com  and got a travel site.  Anyone have the correct address?

Thank you!!!!

~ Mama said there will days like this ~

I think the attack on Kath at arubassilence was a low blow, unjustified and not worthy of discussion.

http://www.arubassilence.com.  It needs another "s".

I think the attack on Kath at arubassilence was a low blow, unjustified and not worthy of discussion.

Two s's. arubassilence, I believe. (Haven't tried it.)

Blah - so was it cool there in person?

I am interested if Monkeys in their hearts think this case will ever be solved?

We All have the common goal of wanting it solved, that goes without being said.

But I'm having my doubts, hope I am wrong but don't think it will be.

By solved, I mean that justice will be served.  I think we all pretty much agree that Aruba had the right suspects with the three and Paulus.

Any thoughts?

I do think it will be solved and justice will be served.  I don't think they will ever find Natalee's body though.

What I don't get it's how it started (???). Was there trouble between these two blogs BEFORE?

it was incredible.  All of the video and pictures just cannot do justice, it is something that I am very glad I was able to experience in person.  It was a good day for this country, as Ted Nugent would say - "you cant do that in France"

(we saw mickey mouse, the shuttle launch, and ted nugent blow the roof off the house of blues all on the same vacation.  What a trip)

I am interested if Monkeys in their hearts think this case will ever be solved?

It would really sadden me to not see it solved throughly.  I used to believe that it would be but not now.

We All have the common goal of wanting it solved, that goes without being said.

But I'm having my doubts, hope I am wrong but don't think it will be.

By solved, I mean that justice will be served.  I think we all pretty much agree that Aruba had the right suspects with the three and Paulus.

Any thoughts?

Dom dididy doo dom diddiy doo!

Dom dididy doo dom diddiy doo!

I am interested if Monkeys in their hearts think this case will ever be solved?

We All have the common goal of wanting it solved, that goes without being said.

But I'm having my doubts, hope I am wrong but don't think it will be.

By solved, I mean that justice will be served.  I think we all pretty much agree that Aruba had the right suspects with the three and Paulus.

Any thoughts?

Easy,

Please share some of whatever you're taking?

I think your drugs are better than mine. :lol:  :lol:

I am interested if Monkeys in their hearts think this case will ever be solved?

We All have the common goal of wanting it solved, that goes without being said.

But I'm having my doubts, hope I am wrong but don't think it will be.

By solved, I mean that justice will be served.  I think we all pretty much agree that Aruba had the right suspects with the three and Paulus.

Any thoughts?

It's not guts my friend, its telling people if that is the garbage they want to believe, then be it.  Was she, or the person who wrote it in Aruba with me?  NO, they have no idea why I was there, or what I was doing there.  So there for I feel if someone is going to write about someone, unless you have facts, they need to just "not write".  That was a very unethical way to do things the way they did, the ones who even wrote comments on Kaths behalf were NOT even posted.  Sad that people like that are out there isn't it?

Whytegirl:    Kath was in Aruba and found Steve Croes who is "as dumb as rocks" according to SandraK and attempted to get some info from him.  There was a picture taken. You know the rest...

I LIKE it!

Supposedly the FBI is; but you know that stuff they do is never disclosed.

Didn't someone say that even if the FBI were to get involved that they still wouldn't be able to interview the usual suspects? I wonder if this is really true...

Wow Justinsmama...you have REALLY been busy this weekend!! Bless your heart (for real!) Great to see you! I know you've been busy lately and I admire your diligence in staying off the forum in favor of spending time with Justin  :lol:

BTW, can anyone tell me how someone saying "bless your heart" turned in to a bad thing? I have always used it as a term of sympathy, endearment, and commiseration...would somebody be so kind as to fill me in? I've been wondering this for MONTHS!!

so, i take it there is still no word out of New York then eh?

Bless your heart "is" a good thing Mishy.

I cant say for sure, but I think there was little skirmish a while ago and it may have had a monkey saying Bless your heart, but not meaning it sincerely.  So it just sort of caught on that Bless your heart was being used as a slam....

who is kath,and was she able to interview Croes?
I dont know the rest, can you help me out here?????? :shock:

Thanks Jacqueline....Finally!! But I can't really imagine anything that begins with "bless your..." being any kind of a slam....

Unless someone told me "bless your fat a$$" or something personal like that  :shock:

Yes, she talked to him and a picture of the two of them was posted on a website with the title "I smell a rat" and went on to run down Kath and make some very strange and slanderous allegations.  It was quite nasty.

Easy,

Please share some of whatever you're taking?

I think your drugs are better than mine.

BTgirl wrote:

Never buy Generic BT.  Go the extra bucks and buy the genuine stuff.

You know, come to think of it.....taking generic drugs may be what made your legs look like sweet potatoes. :lol:

BTW, can anyone tell me how someone saying "bless your heart" turned in to a bad thing? I have always used it as a term of sympathy, endearment, and commiseration...would somebody be so kind as to fill me in? I've been wondering this for MONTHS!!

Durn, Houdini!

I'll bet you're right!

is there some transcript of the conversation with croes or anything??
did she get anything out of him?

BTgirl wrote:


Damned fine sweet potatoes, I might add............but still sweet potatoes. :lol:  :lol:

Bless your heart "is" a good thing Mishy.

I cant say for sure, but I think there was little skirmish a while ago and it may have had a monkey saying Bless your heart, but not meaning it sincerely. So it just sort of caught on that Bless your heart was being used as a slam....

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Jacqueline wrote:

I could be wrong, and if I am, I relish any one of the southern belles on this board to correct me.  I thought this was an accepted and popular way for a southern lady to diss someone.  "Well bless her heart".  But it was also used as a compliment.

Any y'all ladies care to correct this "on the mason/dixon line yankee? :lol:

Yes, she talked to him and a picture of the two of them was posted on a website with the title "I smell a rat" and went on to run down Kath and make some very strange and slanderous allegations.  It was quite nasty.

Did you read that e-mail I sent you?

[I'M WALKIN' TO NU ORLEANS!

Hi, monkeys! Gosh, I feel as though I've been away forever! It's only been yesterday and most of today! Preparing to move, I believe, is the worst of the experience in re-locating.

I awoke early yesterday and traveled to the "new" place. Culligan was due in between 9 am and 1 pm. In the meantime, I started washing walls to prep for painting. Had no ladder. I climbed onto the kitchen counter to stand on the sink (brilliant idea!  :roll: ). Once finished cleaning there, I went to climb down, lost my footing and fell backward. While flailing like a bug on its back as I fell, I scratched the snot out of my inner arm. It looks really attractive.   :?  Nothing broke, and luckily no one was around to witness my humiliation. I had been trying to get the hose screwed onto the outside spigot to clean blinds when Culligan finally came. Took him hours to install the water softener. Met the neighbor, who loaned me his ladder. In the meantime, the water was shut off. Anyhoo, the spigot was so lime encrusted that I had to soak it in lime remover (catching on to the need for the water conditioner?), which also took forever. Finally got it clean enough to screw the hose on to it. But no water. So I sprayed the blinds with orange cleaner and wiped them down with.... toilet paper. When the water was finally back on, I rinsed and washed them again (would have been easier to simply buy new ones). By this time, I was purdy darn smelly. I had brought towels, change of clothes, shampoo, deoderant, etc. Go to to tub and try to turn on the water. A trickle of rust colored sludge comes out.   :shock:  Talk about gross. Never could get a stream of water going. Brought out the lime/rust/everything remover, turned the faucet upside down and got enough rust off the inside that a small trickle of water started. Completely insufficient for bathing of any sort. I tried to unscrew the faucet from the plumbing. Only got so far before it would go no further. Definitely gonna need some new plumbing in that tub. Yechk! Decided to wash down the garage floor, which was quite a chore. Went to my niece's to shower and noticed she had lots of laundry (she had been at her aunt's on the other side of her family, dog sitting). Started washing their clothes. She came home with her 7 year old, her 4 year old twins, and a friend of the 7 year old's. Ended up doing the entire laundry, watching the children while she napped, and then when she went to the store. We were all on her bed, watching the Spongebob movie. I was into it. Finally showered and zonked out. Got up this morning, went to the "new" place, gave the neighbor back his ladder, and went to the office to do paperwork. Could not log on. It would not accept my password.  :? A guy, who was supposed to be on vacation until tomorrow, came in to get meds to deliver. The one scheduled had called in. I took half the meds to deliver. Went to my mother's and had dinner. we both napped. Justin's dad called, which woke us both (which was good, as we slept over 3 hours). Took Mother to the drugstore. Dropped her back home. Went to office again (I had changed my password on Friday and forgotten that I had  :roll: ). Worked for an hour, then left to pick up Justin. Stanleysteemer is coming tomorrow. The "new" landlord (who is an old friend, both literally and figuratively) has amessage on his phone about the tub faucet.... I'm sure he will be thrilled.

And now I am here.

Well, There is a House in Nu Orleens,
They call it the Rising Sun!
It's been the ruin of many a poor boy,
And God I know I'm one.

Better be careful there, Easy~

.
Check you Monkeys later. . . . . . .

Anna walking. . . . . . . .

(with all due credit to Hat of course)

I believe this case was solved long ago.  The three suspects raped and killed Natalee, and papa sloot helped get rid of the evidence.  

Its just a matter of finding someone in Aruba to do anything about it.  I do not think that will ever happen unless for some reason the FBI were to get involved.

Mishy wrote:

It's ambiguous enough to be used both as a compliment and a "backhanded" insult.  Depends on your inflection.

Another one is "Nice".  Somebody pays you money they owe you.....Nice!


Somebody backs into your car on the parking lot...........Oh Nice! :lol:

Jacqueline wrote:

I could be wrong, and if I am, I relish any one of the southern belles on this board to correct me.  I thought this was an accepted and popular way for a southern lady to diss someone.  "Well bless her heart".  But it was also used as a compliment.

Any y'all ladies care to correct this "on the mason/dixon line yankee? :lol:

HI EVERYONE; what's shakin'?

Reminder to all - Windsor = the former GretaRocks  :lol:

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