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Topic: Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 - 3/13/10 (Read 413722 times)
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 -
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February 28, 2010, 03:49:16 PM »
Quote from: klaasend on February 28, 2010, 03:46:38 PM
Quote from: Rob on February 28, 2010, 03:45:40 PM
Isn't there a Peeps from the racejunkies forum?
Yes
Klaas, Wasn't he the one whose real name was something like Chris Hodge or Hodges and he posted on the front page here at times?
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 -
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February 28, 2010, 03:49:27 PM »
Quote from: Anna on February 28, 2010, 03:46:00 PM
I asked if it appeared Joran was REALLY crying and this is the response:
Yes. He is getting angry. And it seems to be really. Or he really is doing anything a fake.
So evidently Joran did muster up a few tears. Likely for himself, but tears nonetheless.
I guess it all depends on who you ask? Some people couldnt identify the devil if he was
looking them directly in the eyes.
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For Natalee and Stephany, whatever it takes.
-JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ANN - BOYCOTT ARUBA
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"Don't talk about what you have done or what you are going to do." Thomas Jefferson
"The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first."Thomas Jeff
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 -
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February 28, 2010, 03:50:53 PM »
Do you suppose that Joran got the idea for this story from CapsLockWizzard?
Just a different pond.
That bird sanctuary pond is a sewage pond. Joran knew that and would have never put his
K-Swiss into that water.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 -
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February 28, 2010, 03:53:04 PM »
Quote from: EURobert on February 28, 2010, 03:45:58 PM
(It's very difficult to connect to SM; could be that everybody in the NL's is on the internet now?!?)
Because he had a lot of coke in his room they had to get Natalee's body out of the house. THey put it on the back seat of the car; blood on the seats. We threw her in the pond. They say to each other that they would bring her as far as posible in the pond. So they did. Put her on the deepest spot. From that point on there were only lies.
DO YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU PUT HER IN THE POND. YES OFF COURSE. He draws a map. Deepak and Satish don't know what happened.
There is also the OLYMPICS for traffic in this direction. The Olympics in which The Netherlands have performed wonderfully, winning at least 4 GOLD medals last I saw, more than France, Russia and many much larger countries.
That may be some traffic to Canada also in coming this way.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 -
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February 28, 2010, 03:55:22 PM »
Quote from: EURobert on February 28, 2010, 03:47:36 PM
Quote from: EURobert on February 28, 2010, 03:45:58 PM
(It's very difficult to connect to SM; could be that everybody in the NL's is on the internet now?!?)
Because he had a lot of coke in his room they had to get Natalee's body out of the house. THey put it on the back seat of the car; blood on the seats. We threw her in the pond. They say to each other that they would bring her as far as posible in the pond. So they did. Put her on the deepest spot. From that point on there were only lies.
DO YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU PUT HER IN THE POND. YES OFF COURSE. He draws a map. Deepak and Satish don't know what happened.
I'm recording the whole show so I can make a better summary later.
5 Questions:
An investigator researches:
- Is there a co-perpetrator (Answer: Yes and the named person really exists)
- What caused her death (Fall of balcony?)
- What happened to the body (Mumbali-pond?)
- Shoe (In the pond?)
- Did your father know (No!)
Some new findings seem to match with the facts.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 -
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Quote from: Anna on February 28, 2010, 03:49:16 PM
Quote from: klaasend on February 28, 2010, 03:46:38 PM
Quote from: Rob on February 28, 2010, 03:45:40 PM
Isn't there a Peeps from the racejunkies forum?
Yes
Klaas, Wasn't he the one whose real name was something like Chris Hodge or Hodges and he posted on the front page here at times?
Not sure about his real name but I've put the Peeps posts here:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7258.0
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 -
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February 28, 2010, 03:55:54 PM »
Quote from: carpe noctem on February 28, 2010, 03:49:27 PM
Quote from: Anna on February 28, 2010, 03:46:00 PM
I asked if it appeared Joran was REALLY crying and this is the response:
Yes. He is getting angry. And it seems to be really. Or he really is doing anything a fake.
So evidently Joran did muster up a few tears. Likely for himself, but tears nonetheless.
I guess it all depends on who you ask? Some people couldnt identify the devil if he was
looking them directly in the eyes.
I think they mean tears of frustration and rage that he is not being believed--certainly not tears of remorse! Not from Joran, ever. He is not capable. But I do think he could get all worked up feeling sorry for HIMSELF.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 -
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Quote from: Anna on February 28, 2010, 03:49:16 PM
Quote from: klaasend on February 28, 2010, 03:46:38 PM
Quote from: Rob on February 28, 2010, 03:45:40 PM
Isn't there a Peeps from the racejunkies forum?
Yes
Klaas, Wasn't he the one whose real name was something like Chris Hodge or Hodges and he posted on the front page here at times?
that's him... but this description doesn't sound like him... He's older and well, I don't think he was getting a tennis scholarship.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 -
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February 28, 2010, 03:56:14 PM »
Quote from: EURobert on February 28, 2010, 03:55:22 PM
Quote from: EURobert on February 28, 2010, 03:47:36 PM
Quote from: EURobert on February 28, 2010, 03:45:58 PM
(It's very difficult to connect to SM; could be that everybody in the NL's is on the internet now?!?)
Because he had a lot of coke in his room they had to get Natalee's body out of the house. THey put it on the back seat of the car; blood on the seats. We threw her in the pond. They say to each other that they would bring her as far as posible in the pond. So they did. Put her on the deepest spot. From that point on there were only lies.
DO YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU PUT HER IN THE POND. YES OFF COURSE. He draws a map. Deepak and Satish don't know what happened.
I'm recording the whole show so I can make a better summary later.
5 Questions:
An investigator researches:
- Is there a co-perpetrator (Answer: Yes and the named person really exists)
- What caused her death (Fall of balcony?)
- What happened to the body (Mumbali-pond?)
- Shoe (In the pond?)
- Did your father know (No!)
Some new findings seem to match with the facts.
Thank you!
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 -
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February 28, 2010, 03:56:26 PM »
Quote from: EURobert on February 28, 2010, 03:47:36 PM
Quote from: EURobert on February 28, 2010, 03:45:58 PM
(It's very difficult to connect to SM; could be that everybody in the NL's is on the internet now?!?)
Because he had a lot of coke in his room they had to get Natalee's body out of the house. THey put it on the back seat of the car; blood on the seats. We threw her in the pond. They say to each other that they would bring her as far as posible in the pond. So they did. Put her on the deepest spot. From that point on there were only lies.
DO YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU PUT HER IN THE POND. YES OFF COURSE. He draws a map. Deepak and Satish don't know what happened.
I'm recording the whole show so I can make a better summary later.
Thanks EURobert!
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 -
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Pronkjewail Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:02 pm
Joran denies that his dad knew anything about the case.
An expoliceofficer went to Aruba to investigate Jorans story. Excop goes to the house where Joran said it all happened. Police know the friend Joran mentioned. Excop says it isnt clear what exactly happened on the balcony since the fence is about 1m high and Natalee was a tiny girl.
Dompig says that they couldnt check the swamp since its a place with a lot of nature and they didnt want to interfere in that. Dompig says that its very possible that he lost his shoe in the swamp. Finding a shoe there would be very good evidence.
Excop is now talking about the route Joran walked with Natalee. The friends house is indeed in the area where Joran has been that night.
There has been a call to the police that a guy in a green pickupcar was involved in the case. The friend indeed had a green pickup.
Dompigs conclusion... it could be true. there is technical evidence that this could be true. But... Joran is a liar and this could be a lie too.
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-JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ANN - BOYCOTT ARUBA
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"Don't talk about what you have done or what you are going to do." Thomas Jefferson
"The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first."Thomas Jeff
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 -
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February 28, 2010, 03:59:52 PM »
Quote from: texasmom on February 28, 2010, 03:56:26 PM
Quote from: EURobert on February 28, 2010, 03:47:36 PM
Quote from: EURobert on February 28, 2010, 03:45:58 PM
(It's very difficult to connect to SM; could be that everybody in the NL's is on the internet now?!?)
Because he had a lot of coke in his room they had to get Natalee's body out of the house. THey put it on the back seat of the car; blood on the seats. We threw her in the pond. They say to each other that they would bring her as far as posible in the pond. So they did. Put her on the deepest spot. From that point on there were only lies.
DO YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU PUT HER IN THE POND. YES OFF COURSE. He draws a map. Deepak and Satish don't know what happened.
I'm recording the whole show so I can make a better summary later.
Thanks EURobert!
Thank you! Maybe you or Klaas could post it on YouTube or somewhere like that? Even though we can't understand a word he is saying, many of us want to see these tears--or not. And as always the body language for Joran is no where nearly as clever as he thinks he is.
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Murder & Crime on Aruba Summary
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 -
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Because he had a lot of coke in his room.
????????????????????????????????
Funny they found that same kind of pile of cocaine in L.M. home too.
It just must be lying around that island everywhere..
It grows wild ya know....
L.M. did shoot at police over it.. He did say it was just a misunderstanding though. The police agreed and everyone went home happy on the happy island of Aruba.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 -
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I think "PEEP" was a word for where we would say bleep. They bleeped out the name that Joran said. IMO
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 -
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Well, here's what I know so far.
1. Joran now has at least two contacts with Natalee's death.
2. This doesn't sound like Koen, cause he sucks at tennis and can barely move his fat a$$.
3. Doesn't jive with Paulus' premeditation charge nor Guido's heavy battery.
4. Joran is claiming yet another accident.
5. Dompig is still confuzzled about almost everything and he was there. I wonder why he does what he does - and - whatever the story is and if Dompig believes it, the opposite must be true.
6. Aruba still sucks.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 -
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Quote from: EURobert on February 28, 2010, 03:55:22 PM
Quote from: EURobert on February 28, 2010, 03:47:36 PM
Quote from: EURobert on February 28, 2010, 03:45:58 PM
(It's very difficult to connect to SM; could be that everybody in the NL's is on the internet now?!?)
Because he had a lot of coke in his room they had to get Natalee's body out of the house. THey put it on the back seat of the car; blood on the seats. We threw her in the pond. They say to each other that they would bring her as far as posible in the pond. So they did. Put her on the deepest spot. From that point on there were only lies.
DO YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU PUT HER IN THE POND. YES OFF COURSE. He draws a map. Deepak and Satish don't know what happened.
I'm recording the whole show so I can make a better summary later.
5 Questions:
An investigator researches:
- Is there a co-perpetrator (Answer: Yes and the named person really exists)
- What caused her death (Fall of balcony?)
- What happened to the body (Mumbali-pond?)
- Shoe (In the pond?)
- Did your father know (No!)
Some new findings seem to match with the facts.
They now want to put the findings next to a new Israeli voice emotion detector to uncover further clues in the investigation. This company helped a.o. with some murder cases in the US. Dompig thinks this method is promissing. But Knoops says they first have to proof that this method works, before a court. Others are sceptic.
Test: not entirely true. The discussion between the two boys is incorrect according to the machine. The balcony story seems to have truth in it.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 -
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February 28, 2010, 04:02:03 PM »
Quote from: Rob on February 28, 2010, 03:56:10 PM
Quote from: Anna on February 28, 2010, 03:49:16 PM
Quote from: klaasend on February 28, 2010, 03:46:38 PM
Quote from: Rob on February 28, 2010, 03:45:40 PM
Isn't there a Peeps from the racejunkies forum?
Yes
Klaas, Wasn't he the one whose real name was something like Chris Hodge or Hodges and he posted on the front page here at times?
that's him... but this description doesn't sound like him... He's older and well, I don't think he was getting a tennis scholarship.
Yes, I think Peeps is much older than Joran and has a band or something like that. And not the type to hang out with Joran of all people. Or any 17 yo. But this does remove the "fellow officer" translation I would think. Unless they still go back to school while being an officer and selling drugs as well.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 -
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Quote from: Magnolia on February 28, 2010, 04:00:31 PM
I think "PEEP" was a word for where we would say bleep. They bleeped out the name that Joran said. IMO
Oh. That makes more sense. I think you are right.
Nevermind. . . . . LOL!
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 -
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February 28, 2010, 04:04:20 PM »
Quote from: EURobert on February 28, 2010, 04:01:41 PM
Quote from: EURobert on February 28, 2010, 03:55:22 PM
Quote from: EURobert on February 28, 2010, 03:47:36 PM
Quote from: EURobert on February 28, 2010, 03:45:58 PM
(It's very difficult to connect to SM; could be that everybody in the NL's is on the internet now?!?)
Because he had a lot of coke in his room they had to get Natalee's body out of the house. THey put it on the back seat of the car; blood on the seats. We threw her in the pond. They say to each other that they would bring her as far as posible in the pond. So they did. Put her on the deepest spot. From that point on there were only lies.
DO YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU PUT HER IN THE POND. YES OFF COURSE. He draws a map. Deepak and Satish don't know what happened.
I'm recording the whole show so I can make a better summary later.
5 Questions:
An investigator researches:
- Is there a co-perpetrator (Answer: Yes and the named person really exists)
- What caused her death (Fall of balcony?)
- What happened to the body (Mumbali-pond?)
- Shoe (In the pond?)
- Did your father know (No!)
Some new findings seem to match with the facts.
They now want to put the findings next to a new Israeli voice emotion detector to uncover further clues in the investigation. This company helped a.o. with some murder cases in the US. Dompig thinks this method is promissing. But Knoops says they first have to proof that this method works, before a court. Others are sceptic.
Test: not entirely true. The discussion between the two boys is incorrect according to the machine. The balcony story seems to have truth in it.
Dompig says he believes this story is probably closer to the truth.
'JORAN, WHY DID YOU NOT CALL AN AMBULANCE.'
The story of the Mumbali pond seems to be having inclearities in it.
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Pronkjewail Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:08 pm
There is a machine that can investigate interviews to see if someone is lying. A company used that on the Dusseldorfinterview by Joran. The machine looks for emotions by the person that is speaking. It cannot be used in court.
Machine on Jorans friend... its true that joran met a friend on the beach. what Joran said they talked about is NOT true. There is a lot of stress by Joran when he talks about how Natalee fell. according to the man with the machine that is true. Joran isnt lying about Natalee dancing on the balcony and falling.
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"The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first."Thomas Jeff
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===> Robyn Gardner missing in Aruba August 2, 2011
=> Missing Persons - High Profile - Archives
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Virginia Area Missing and Murdered - possible connections
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=> Morgan Dana Harrington, 20yrs missing VA Tech 10/17/09(BODY FOUND)
=> Hannah Elizabeth Graham missing since 9/13/14 Charlottesville, VA
=> Alexis Murphy, missing since 8/3/13 Charlottesville, VA
=> Samantha Ann Clarke 19yrs. old Orange Va. Last seen 09/13/10
=> Dashad Sage Smith missing since 11/20/12 Charlottesville, VA
=> Cassandra Morton 23, Lynchburg, missing 10/10/09 body found 11/29/09
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High Profile Crimes and Trials (not missing persons)
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=> Jodi Arias trial - for the murder of Travis Alexander
=> Trial of George Zimmerman - 2nd Degree Murder of 17yr old Trayvon Martin
=> Scott Peterson Appeal of Murder Conviction
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Missing, Exploited and True Crime
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=> Missing Exploited and True Crime
===> Missing Persons Forum
=====> Missing Found or Presumed Deceased
=====> Missing Found Safe
=====> Missing Endangered Runaways
=====> Resourses, Search Groups and Fundraisers
===> Crimes Against Children, Elderly and the Disabled
===> Crimes of Passion/Anger
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===> Unsolved Crimes
=====> Finally Solved
===> Haleigh Marie Cummings - Florida
===> Adji Desir - Florida
===> Somer Renee Thompson 7 yo, Orange Park FL 10/19/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
===> Joran Statements/PV's
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=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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