Natalee Case Discussion #734 2/21 - 2/24/08

[Rob]

Fox News has an alert - Fort Lauderdale Police Chase.

I'm giving 2-1 it's Gabe Leo

[mishy]

Interesting - Godfather Peter R blows Joran's doors off and that's not big news to Leni Gielen. These propagandists need an anal in my opinion. Who pays them, what is the purpose, and when is the next book burning?

QUESTION, IS THAT MORE ILL-SPENT ATA/AHATA MONEY FUNDING GEILEN?

Hey guys...can somebody catch me up? Who is Gielien? And what propaganda is he spewing?

[Nut44x4]

http://www.hi5.com/friend/32389248--Stephanie--Profile-html


for anyone who is bored.... Stephanie Croes Hi5 site
If I am wrong, please delete or ignore...pretty sure this is her.

[Blonde]

1. Why did van der Sloot ask his mother to call Zedan Arambatzis to ask the witness what he told the police;
2. What did Zedan tell van der Sloot’s mother?
3. Was van der Sloot’s mother interrogated based on this information, which the police put on paper?
4. On which date, Joran asked his mother to go find out what Zedan Arambatzis told the police and when did the mother call the witness, and what did this witness declare to Joran’s mother, and who in turn told her son what the witness declared;
5. Why would the lawyer ask the suspect Joran, “almost in tears” to tell the truth?6. What is the “truth” that is being mentioned in this case?
7. And about the supposedly “truth” that Joran himself told later that he left Natalee at the Fishermanshut;
8. If that was true, then there was no wrong doing or something so extraordinary that the lawyer, supposedly asked van der Sloot “almost in tears” to tell the truth!
9. Regarding what the lawyer heard about the declarations of Zedan in confidence, it is open to ask; where did he hear this story ‘in confidence’ and who else knows about this; and how can a lawyer be told about this ‘in confidence’ with Joran being his client and how much more information ‘in confidence’ was kept a secret and to this day Aruba’s people still pay for something that they played no part in?
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[Dayhiker]

YOU'RE INVITED TO A PARTY!!!!

When: Friday February 22, 2008
Where: The Van der Sloot House
Type: Mental Masturbation
Dress: Purple Jock Straps

With Special Guest "Tickle Me Tito"

RSVP- Julia Renho

[Buckeye]

I decided to read through the Dr. Phil documents.  If interested, start on about page 32 in this PDF.  It is the recorded conversation from the hearing.

Example:

Who is behind this litigation? It surely isn't these two kids.  It is somebody in Aruba that is funding and promoting this litigation.  And we asked for documents relating to that....

http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/.Public/kalpoemcgraw/021408D_MTDismiss.pdf

[Tamikosmom]

On June 12, 2005 … during interrogations … Freddy appears to have betrayed Joran’s trust and … revealed all that Joran had confided in him regarding the changing stories and … the circumstances regarding Natalee’s last moments and … who were present.

Does Joran van der Sloot and Freddy Zedan Arambatzis continue to be “best friend”?  Does Joran still trust Freddy with his life?

Janet

++++++++++++++++

Satish Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 24, 2005

Freddy Zedan is Joran’s best friend ...


Satish Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 30, 2005

I can tell you the following: Freddy is the person Joran confides in ... 


Deepak/Satish Kalpoe
Police Vehicle Recording - June 22, 2005
De Zaak Natalee Holloway

Page 179-181
D: You know that Van der Sloot trusts Freddy with his life .... 
Translator - Jon (SCRUX)


Freddy Arambatzis
Witness Statement
De Zaak Natalee Holloway
June 12, 2005

Monday afternoon on the 30th, Joran came to my house.

He told me that the previous day, Sunday, he had befriended a girl in the Holiday Inn casino and that she had invited him to come to Carlos and Charlies that evening. He went and they danced and drank together.

After that he, Deepak Satish and the girl drove off. Her friends saw that. The drove in the direction of the Lighthouse; a white car was behind them and most likely wanted to race Deepak. But that is something Deepak would never do. Joran told me that he fingered and had french kissed the girl while they were driving. He did not say that he had had sex with her.

They drove to the Lighthouse, she wanted to see sharks. But Deepak only drove up to the Lighthouse because his car is very low to the ground and cannot drive up to the North side of Aruba.

The girl had said to Joran that if Deepak and Satish would have lived in her town, they would be slaves.

After that they drove to the hotel. When the girl had pushed open the door of the car, she fell to the ground. Joran wanted to help her but she shoved him away.


The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the FOUR OF THEM drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that THEY had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do. Joran told me that after this he was dropped off at home by Deepak and Satish.
Translator: Ramm (BFN)

[Rob]

Dayhiker - TOO FUNNY!!!!

[Blonde]

A team of workers clearing brush in Lyman Woods Thursday discovered human skeletal remain buried underneath snow and ice

http://www.mysuburbanlife.com/downersgrove/homepage/x257794199

[Kermit]

I have aske this before but noone seems to remember.  Did we all hear in the beginning that Nat called someone on her cellphone or was this a hoax??

VAN SUSTEREN: During the time that you were talking to Beth at the gas
 station, did the discussion of that phone call come up again?

C. CROES: Yes, it did.

VAN SUSTEREN: After you and Beth listened to that phone call several
 times and hung up with the person in the states, what did you do next?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161233,00.html



GRETA ANSWER: Here is what I know about a phone call: Apparently a friend of  Natalee's received a call to his voice mail/answering machine. There  was background noise and then someone said something like, "Are you  calling home?" As far as I know the phones were then disconnected and  nothing else was recorded. I do not know if that call was from Natalee or  from her cell phone or one she may have used. Incidentally, not all USA  cell phone service works in Aruba. My AT&T cell phone works there, but  my Verizon cell phone does not. And yes — I know — what kind of person
 has two cell phones? It is a bit nutty but I have two cell phones with  different service. Why? For the very reason that some times I am in  areas where service is limited. One other thing about the phone call — it  is not clear when it was received by the person receiving th e message.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162501,00.html  7/14/05



In the Vanity Fair article: “According to Croes, who was summoned to meet Beth in a darkened gas-station parking lot, Natalee had made a cell-phone call to an American number, and Beth was curious to know to whom. It turned out to have been an accidental call to a friend.” http://www.vanityfair.com/fame/features/2006/01/natalee200601?currentPage=1


yes, the phone call I am talking about is confirmed by different sources, that did happen. It was also told to me that there was another to "a" residence. I cant confrim that - worry about it to a degree. but it probably did happen as well.
Posted by: Dan | August 14, 2005 01:41 AM
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/08/natalee_hollowa_32.html

[Kermit]

I decided to read through the Dr. Phil documents.  If interested, start on about page 32 in this PDF.  It is the recorded conversation from the hearing.

Example:

Who is behind this litigation? It surely isn't these two kids.  It is somebody in Aruba that is funding and promoting this litigation.  And we asked for documents relating to that....

http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/.Public/kalpoemcgraw/021408D_MTDismiss.pdf

AHTA

[IBE]

Re: chatting a lot to make it seem believable.

I think the use of WiFi by J2K should be seriously factored into the timeline.

2K HAD to know of WiFi through their Internet Cafe. I think their Cafe is a WiFi hotspot. Buki de Telefoon Aruba lists them.

One can use WiFi via a cell phone to call one's home computer. They could send text messages to the home computer via cell phone. That would make it appear that 2K were at home when they were not.

The gardener saw J2K when they were supposed to be home. How can this be? ALE discounted the gardener's statement due to the chats that occurred "at home".

I think ALE are either ignorant or this collision of facts left them with an open door to let J2K free, by turning a blind eye.

It is also interesting that 2K manipulated their computer's clock.

Fin

I agree!  Not just wifi cellphone but laptops as well.  If you go through these documents just filed in the Dr. Phil case it appears Deepak and Satish did have wifi available to them:

Latest from McGraw/Kalpoe posted 02/22/08

http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/.Public/kalpoemcgraw/021408D_MTDismiss.pdf


http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/.Public/kalpoemcgraw/021508P_DKCompelResp.pdf


http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/.Public/kalpoemcgraw/021508P_SKCompelResp.pdf

IF I remember correctly, there was a house for rent in the complex where they live and it said that the neighborhood had WiFi. The info was posted here.

[KarmaRoundUp]

Are Mos and Domp just media mouthpieces??  Is that part of their title?

Does anyone know if it is really Elivia Lugo, as chief prosecutor??
 
From the last search of the VDS house:

Justice-minister Rudy Croes (MEP) asked the KLPD for assistance in the case last year.  A team of Dutch detectives investigated the file and came out with a report and recommendations.  The KLPD gave the report to the Attorney General at the end of last month and the investigation is being continued based on this.  This one is being led by the Aruban public prosecutor Elivia Lugo.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/04/29/amigoe-highly-placed-government-official-said-the-team-expects-to-find-holloway%E2%80%99s-remains-soon-in-aruba/


Is Nico Jorg still "the real" Attorney General??  Is there an Aruban Attorney General?/

TIA

officially dop kruimel is the media mouth piece.
but hans mos himself does that job very often.
but the both have the same job title - only dop kruimel had 'pers / press' in front of it.
like i said above - in an OM there is at least one officier van justitie and one persofficier van justitie but most of the time more than one officier van justitie.

about the procureur generaal, there is one and that is Nico Jörg.
he is the acting PG. acting as in not permanent.

http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/aruba/Car20080124_Jorg-Aruba

attorney general is not the right job description.
minister of justice comes closer to attorney general.

Thank you Caseu
However I'm still confused as I thought I read that Mos is more the press or PR prosecutor.I think aruba just likes to keep people confused.

[martini]

One thing that makes me believe it wasn't Freddy that Joran called was the confession Joran made to Patrick, he said something like the "friend" said (not verbatim-where's Janet LOL) "You go home, I'll take care of everything. Do what you would normally do, go to school tomorrow.......".  These are not words likely to come from another 18 year old. True he could be lying, but something rings true about these words. This would be the advice of someone who knows about crimes and criminals, and someone older. MOO

Maybe Freddy was already there, or working at the Marriott and Joran then called his father for help?

Bingo~
There are so many players in this cover-up~ it is a waste of time at this point for Aruba to backstroke ~
This case will never go to trial, which in a way is good because joran is dead in the water by public justice.

[Dayhiker]

Interesting - Godfather Peter R blows Joran's doors off and that's not big news to Leni Gielen. These propagandists need an anal in my opinion. Who pays them, what is the purpose, and when is the next book burning?

QUESTION, IS THAT MORE ILL-SPENT ATA/AHATA MONEY FUNDING GEILEN?

Hey guys...can somebody catch me up? Who is Gielien? And what propaganda is he spewing?

Hey Mish! Rene Geilen is the hack writer/film producer that has been making a documentary that exonerates Joran and blames everything on Natalee, Beth, Jug and whoever else they can to point the finger away from the Van der sloots. Rene, Julia, Angela and Anita are all best friends.

[Blonde]

A team of workers clearing brush in Lyman Woods Thursday discovered human skeletal remain buried underneath snow and ice

http://www.mysuburbanlife.com/downersgrove/homepage/x257794199

Evidence found at the scene indicates the body is an adult male. Black declined to elaborate on the evidence but said the investigation indicates there is no relationship with the Stacy Peterson case out of Bolingbrook or the Lisa Stebic case out of Plainfield.

[klaasend]

A team of workers clearing brush in Lyman Woods Thursday discovered human skeletal remain buried underneath snow and ice

http://www.mysuburbanlife.com/downersgrove/homepage/x257794199

Evidence found at the scene indicates the body is an adult male. Black declined to elaborate on the evidence but said the investigation indicates there is no relationship with the Stacy Peterson case out of Bolingbrook or the Lisa Stebic case out of Plainfield

[Dayhiker]

Bingo~
There are so many players in this cover-up~ it is a waste of time at this point for Aruba to backstroke ~
This case will never go to trial, which in a way is good because joran is dead in the water by public justice.

Notice, Martini, that not a single Aruban official- ministerial, prosecutorial, judicial or law enforcement- has come out publicly and denied the cover-up. That's because they don't want to draw s bullet to themselves as the focus of an investigation. They are all involved and they are scared shitless.

[klaasend]

Blonde 

[Kermit]

Janet,

Once again, you've proven with such clarity, that Hans Mos, like Karen Janssen report to strings in Holland.

The vacation story so obviously a code, for going back to the head office when decisions get tough.

Mos is not long for Aruba, it's so obvious. He's babysitting this, until his next "vacation" and new assignment. Just like van der straaten, Karen Akers, Dompig et.al.

You might be mistaken Frank.

The one person who flew under the radar --- Ronny Bernadina