Lively Case Discussion #647 6/25 - 6/26/2007

[greeneyedlady]

GEL,

According to my TV guide which is cst says Haunting 9PM and then Psychic 9:30 Pm channel says Court in my TV guide.

I do not get that channel.

Thanks Sam-I get the channel,but last week it was raining and was trying to record the Natalee episode and my dish was off most of the time.Any little thunder,lightning and rain it goes out.

[klaasend]

Link for Call me Hootie poster:

http://www.geocities.com/dutch_on_aruba/nhposteraruba.jpg

Thank you too BB-I'm saving this link to the poster itself-it may come in handy again.

GEL - from Pita's link above.  Here is Scubajap's post referencing the Hootie poster. Thanks Pita!

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/ScubajapHootiePoster.jpg

[Tamikosmom]

Link for Call me Hootie poster:

http://www.geocities.com/dutch_on_aruba/nhposteraruba.jpg

BB ... THANK YOU!

I have never seen a "Call Me Hootie" posters.  The link you provided is definitely a Tamikomom's keeper.  

Janet

[Pita]

Link for Call me Hootie poster:

http://www.geocities.com/dutch_on_aruba/nhposteraruba.jpg

Thank you too BB-I'm saving this link to the poster itself-it may come in handy again.

GEL - from Pita's link above.  Here is Scubajap's post referencing the Hootie poster. Thanks Pita!

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/ScubajapHootiePoster.jpg

Your welcome, Klaas.  

[greeneyedlady]

Link for Call me Hootie poster:

http://www.geocities.com/dutch_on_aruba/nhposteraruba.jpg

Thank you too BB-I'm saving this link to the poster itself-it may come in handy again.

GEL - from Pita's link above.  Here is Scubajap's post referencing the Hootie poster. Thanks Pita!

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/ScubajapHootiePoster.jpg

Thanks again Klaas and Pita too!

[bleachedblack]

Link for Call me Hootie poster:

http://www.geocities.com/dutch_on_aruba/nhposteraruba.jpg

BB ... THANK YOU!

I have never seen a "Call Me Hootie" posters.  The link you provided is definitely a Tamikomom's keeper.  

Janet

 

[Sleuth]

Sorry about the delay...my cell phone won't stop today

I apologize as this is a mess - I will need to clean the map up later.  

Someone mentioned the outdoor theatre being 'across' from Balashi -this is correct (in general terms)

One clarification regarding the Gold Ruins/Gold Mill/Gold Mines....I have never heard of it referred to as Gold Mines in this area - it is referred to as Gold Mill or Gold smelt ruins.  Do not confuse with the mines on the opposite end of the island.   You take the Frenchman's Pass road to get to the ruins and also to the parking area along Spanish Lagoon.

Also, someone asked if the main road went over/past the Spanish Lagoon.  It does - the main road to Saventa and on to San N. goes right over the lagoon area - I've put an indicator on the map.

As a point of reference, the airport is to the upper right on this map.  DePalm Island is off the coast of this area.

There are boat launching area along this general area as well.

[Tibrogargan]

While we are discussing maps, etc., I have seen many maps on here that Klaas and others have posted in the LCD marked with areas and places relevant to the case but when I went to reference some of them in Sunfreak's section I cannot see them there.  Is there another place where they are posted all together for reference?

[Sleuth]

Sorry about the delay...my cell phone won't stop today

I apologize as this is a mess - I will need to clean the map up later.  

Someone mentioned the outdoor theatre being 'across' from Balashi -this is correct (in general terms)

One clarification regarding the Gold Ruins/Gold Mill/Gold Mines....I have never heard of it referred to as Gold Mines in this area - it is referred to as Gold Mill or Gold smelt ruins.  Do not confuse with the mines on the opposite end of the island.   You take the Frenchman's Pass road to get to the ruins and also to the parking area along Spanish Lagoon.

Also, someone asked if the main road went over/past the Spanish Lagoon.  It does - the main road to Saventa and on to San N. goes right over the lagoon area - I've put an indicator on the map.

As a point of reference, the airport is to the upper left on this map.  DePalm Island is off the coast of this area.

There are boat launching area along this general area as well.

TYPO-TYPO - the airport is to the left

[Elaine]

Hi Monkeys!!
I am watching Haunting evidence. Tim Miller is on it, talking about how his daughter disappeared. Months later, when they found her body, he would go to the spot where they found her and scream out loud. "come and get me,you bastard". Poor Tim, his daughter Laura was only 16 yrs old.

[Lala'sMom]

I come to the cage tonight very disgusted and also disheartened over the Benoit wrestler that killed his family.  I don't think I can take many more of these stories of killing children.  It's almost to the point that my heart simply can't take it any more.  Does anyone ever get used to this stuff?  I can't imagine how the police ever manage it day after day.

[klaasend]

While we are discussing maps, etc., I have seen many maps on here that Klaas and others have posted in the LCD marked with areas and places relevant to the case but when I went to reference some of them in Sunfreak's section I cannot see them there.  Is there another place where they are posted all together for reference?

What do you mean you can't see them?  Do you just get XX?  No, most of them are right there, the rest are spread around.  If you are getting XX's though, you would probably have the same problem if I put all the maps into one thread.

[AZSunny]

Sorry about the delay...my cell phone won't stop today

I apologize as this is a mess - I will need to clean the map up later.  

Someone mentioned the outdoor theatre being 'across' from Balashi -this is correct (in general terms)

One clarification regarding the Gold Ruins/Gold Mill/Gold Mines....I have never heard of it referred to as Gold Mines in this area - it is referred to as Gold Mill or Gold smelt ruins.  Do not confuse with the mines on the opposite end of the island.   You take the Frenchman's Pass road to get to the ruins and also to the parking area along Spanish Lagoon.

Also, someone asked if the main road went over/past the Spanish Lagoon.  It does - the main road to Saventa and on to San N. goes right over the lagoon area - I've put an indicator on the map.

As a point of reference, the airport is to the upper right on this map.  DePalm Island is off the coast of this area.

There are boat launching area along this general area as well.

Thank you Sleuth.  I also did not realize when I said gold mine, there was more than one.  I was speaking of the ruins.

[Anna]

Kidnapping does not always require that a ransom be demanded.  Van der Stratten just didn't want the negative publicity that the word would bring.  Claiming that Natalee could not have been kidnapped because no ransom demand was made was just another one of their lies.

Not one definition REQUIRES that a demand for ransom be made.  Most say it is often made.  That is a far cry from saying without it, there can be no kidnapping.  Besides, how did he know there would not be a demand made in the future, hmmmmmm?  Yeah, Uncle Jan, tell us how you knew there was not going to be any demand for a ransom!  

Same way Joran knew he could claim Natalee said any wild thing?  She wasn't going to be coming back to dispute him?


From Dictionary.com:

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source
kid·nap      /ˈkɪdnæp/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kid-nap] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object), -napped or -naped, -nap·ping or -nap·ing. to steal, carry off, or abduct by force or fraud, esp. for use as a hostage or to extract ransom.  


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[Origin: 1675–85; kid1 + nap, var. of nab]

—Related forms
kid·nap·pee, kid·nap·ee, noun
kid·nap·per, kid·nap·er, noun


—Synonyms seize, bear off, bear away.
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.
American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source kid·nap       (kĭd'nāp')  Pronunciation Key  
tr.v.   kid·napped or kid·naped, kid·nap·ping or kid·nap·ing, kid·naps
To seize and detain unlawfully and usually for ransom.


[Probably kid + nap, to snatch (perhaps variant of nab and or of Scandinavian origin).]

kid'nap·pee', kid'nap·ee' (kĭd'nā-pē') n., kid'nap' n., kid'nap'per, kid'nap'er n.

Word History: Appropriately enough, kidnapper seems to have originated among those who perpetrate this crime. We know this because kid and napper, the two parts of the compound, were slang of the sort that criminals used. Kid, which still has an informal air, was considered low slang when kidnapper was formed, and napper is obsolete slang for a thief, coming from the verb nap, "to steal." Nap is possibly a variant of nab, which also still has a slangy ring. In 1678, the year in which the word is first recorded, kidnappers plied their trade to secure laborers for plantations in colonies such as the ones in North America. The term later took on the broader sense that it has today. The verb kidnap is recorded later (1682) than the noun and so is possibly a back-formation, that is, people may have assumed that a kidnapper kidnaps.
 
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WordNet - Cite This Source kidnapping

noun
(law) the unlawful act of capturing and carrying away a person against their will and holding them in false imprisonment  

WordNet® 3.0, © 2006 by Princeton University.
Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law - Cite This Source
Main Entry: kid·nap·ping
Variant: or kid·nap·ing
Function: noun
: an act or instance or the crime of seizing, confining, inveigling, abducting, or carrying away a person by force or fraud often with a demand for ransom or in furtherance of another crime

Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law, © 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc.
Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law - Cite This Source
Main Entry: kid·nap
Pronunciation: 'kid-"nap
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Forms: kid·napped or kid·naped /-"napt/; kid·nap·ping or kid·nap·ing /-"na-pi[ng]/
Etymology: probably back-formation from kidnapper, from kid child + obsolete napper thief
: to seize and confine or carry away by force or fraud and often with a demand for ransom —kid·nap·per or kid·nap·er /-"na-p&r/ noun

Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law, © 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc.

[Tiger]

I saw he advertising for aruba in Austria and family in Sweden talked about it.someone came up with the drink Condem to protect drinks,no joking.They enjoy coma drinking and have no desire to be drugged.They are very aware of what happened in aruba,and i don't see a large influx going to aruba

[AZSunny]

Hi Monkeys!!
I am watching Haunting evidence. Tim Miller is on it, talking about how his daughter disappeared. Months later, when they found her body, he would go to the spot where they found her and scream out loud. "come and get me,you bastard". Poor Tim, his daughter Laura was only 16 yrs old.

Elaine, please post what you are seeing.  I won't get it here for 3 hours, and i promise i am in bed by then. thanks

[Elaine]

Hi Monkeys!!
I am watching Haunting evidence. Tim Miller is on it, talking about how his daughter disappeared. Months later, when they found her body, he would go to the spot where they found her and scream out loud. "come and get me,you bastard". Poor Tim, his daughter Laura was only 16 yrs old.

They just showed Tim Miller at the very spot where his daughter's remains were found. There is a cross there, with flowers. To see him standing there is heart breaking!

[klaasend]

I saw he advertising for aruba in Austria and family in Sweden talked about it.someone came up with the drink Condem to protect drinks,no joking.They enjoy coma drinking and have no desire to be drugged.They are very aware of what happened in aruba,and i don't see a large influx going to aruba

That's because Aruba sucks and there are so many nicer places to go  

[bleachedblack]

Kidnapping, with ransome assumes you want to return the person once demands have been met. Some kidnap with the intention of keeping. Still a kidnapping IMO.

[Sam]

Hi Monkeys!!
I am watching Haunting evidence. Tim Miller is on it, talking about how his daughter disappeared. Months later, when they found her body, he would go to the spot where they found her and scream out loud. "come and get me,you bastard". Poor Tim, his daughter Laura was only 16 yrs old.

Elaine can you tell us what else is said on there. For those of us who can't see it. I am wondering if they will think the same thing Tim has always thought.