Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #80

[marymary]

Uh oh,  There are so many differing views here and yet I seem to agree with them all...   has my brain become putty in the monkey hands?  Or is everyone right on some level?         

[mytime]

Even though you knew Caylee was dead, didn't you feel like you were sucker punched when it was announced?

Yes, Bearly, absolutely.   And for me it was particularly unreal.  I had taken the day off from work and was on dial up at my boyfriend's house.  I was trying to catch up on the boards and was making my usual flippant remarks on the previous thread.  Two hours later I found out and skipped ahead on the boards.

I never doubted for a minute that Caylee was no longer with us, but the news came so quietly (reading it on the web)  that it seems unreal.  It's not like in the movies when things follow according to script and there is appropriate clues and music, you know what I mean?

I feel sort of a depression like women might feel after having a baby or when you have been totally involved in a project and it's over.  (Although I realize this investigation and the trial that will follow is far from over.)

As to the speculation that Casey might have gotten Caylee involved in child pornography, I have a hard time accepting that.  I think though that maybe Casey was running in crowds where it could have eventually happened and therefore maybe someone suggested to her to use drugs to subdue her when she/Casey was trying to party.  I don't think it quite got to the point where Caylee was sexually abused.

I do think it is much more likely that Casey was involved in some kind of sex parties or amateur porno.  I don't think she was a call girl, she didn't have enough money and didn't have enough opportunity.  (She was always on the phone and how can you be a call girl when your child is often with you?)

I do want to ask something of you and other monkeys, however.  Did you notice how fresh and beautiful Caylee was early on and later she did not look so well?  To me, she didn't look her beautiful self when she was in the car seat holding her dollie.  Instead of thriving as she got older, the opposite seemed to be true.


The hardest thing to accept is that we will probably never know what really happened.

I was also on a roller coaster about the meter reader and all that speculation but I have come to one conclusion and that is he saw a bag that wasn't related and his interest came from the foul smell in the woods.  I'm quessing he kept calling cause there was no indication that his lead was being followed up on or he got an attitude from the people he reported his concerns to.

Because of my faith in God and my understanding of God's timing, I see the discovery of the body as a miracle and a blessing.  Just a couple of weeks ago I though we would never find her body at all.

I am praying for the sick dysfunctional people that didn't give Caylee the life she deserved.  The alternative would be to be consumed by hate.

Thanks for "listening".

Karen

Excellent Post - Caylee was still cute as can be in the last video of her singing to her GGP.  I will have to look at some other pictures and get back to you on that,  I really hadn't noticed it!

[Fuzzball]

See, I always thought the Jon Benet case was the same way.  I felt her mom wanted her to be so perfect, the house so perfect, the day so perfect, then Jon Benet wet her bed and her Mom was tired and snapped.  The entire family went into defense mode and hid the fact.  But they coulndt leave Jon Benet out in the snow, alone, and that messed up the kidnap story. 

Yep.

The things that convinced me in that case, were:
 
1) Before the police arrived, Patsy had 5 friends over (at 6 AM???) to help her clean. They scrubbed down the kitchen, bathrooms, etc...and of course left prints all over the house.

2) They denied for years that anyone in the family had a "high-tech" sneaker, but Burke and Patsy both said years later that Burke had shoes with compasses on the laces. There's only one kind of shoe like that--"Hi-techs."

3) Hundreds of suspects had their handwriting compared to that letter over the years, and only Patsy's ever matched. Plus who writes a practice ransom note at the victim's house? A kidnapper would have come with one ready, or sent one later, not sit in the house writing one.

***4) The Ramseys did everything they could to ruin the crime scene--moved the body, removed the duct tape, scrubbed down the house, had 5 people running in and out of the house while the police were there, as well. 

The ransom was for the exact amount of John's bonus, rather than for his whole income or life savings. Kidnappers don't ask for a reasonable share of your income, they want it all. You know who asks for a reasonable share of your income? Your wife, that's who.

And even though the note specified the kidnappers would call at a certain time, the Ramseys didn't appear to expect that call. They didn't get anxious as the time neared, or watch the clock, or anything. Clearly the ransom was just in the note to give John an excuse to go to the bank and get money for their trip so they wouldn't miss their plane. They were more concerned with getting out of town and taking their vacation, than with their daughter's death.

And then later they were far more concerned with their feelings of persecution by "the media," LE, and the public, than with the actual loss of their daughter or sadness about what she must have experienced.

And Patsy's fingerprints were the only ones on the glasses of tea, the bowl and can of pineapple, etc....and she had slept in, (or spent the night in) her clothes.

Finally, the DNA "exonerating" the Ramsey family is overstating the case. All it really proves is that no male of the family ejaculated or bled on her during the two days before her death. It doesn't prove they didn't kill her. It doesn't even prove that they were innocent of molestation prior to that.

I personally believe the bedwetting theory. Because if there were a man in that house that night, who did things to JBR, he was not a stranger, or an intruder. He was the family's invited guest, and they guarded his secret with their lives and their children's. I'd rather believe the Mom did it.

[Bearlyhere]

Hello ....well I bought the enquirer today just to read what Kiomarie had to say................I think she's kinda weird...wonder how much they payed her for that interview!

Hi HiHo!!!

Hello, how are you today?

Nice and toasty under the covers and doing the wash with the dryer on!

[Wyks]

What got me started on this "quest" was how could Casey & Cindy remember all of the minute details of all of the ficticious people in Casey's life.  Jeff Hopkins, Juliette Lewis, Zanaida, Zenaida' mother, sister, roomate, bosses at work..and whoever.

Not only the details of their life, but their "events'.  Now I have 4 grandchildren..who do not live with me...and I don't think I am controlling...but, believe me I know who the babysitters are and quiz the kids subletly about how they like them, etc.  Reading through Cindy, there is no way in hell she wouldn't have "known" the phone number, met her...known her address...unless...she knew on some level that she didn't exist.  I mean suppose Casey got ill at work..how would she know where to go get Caylee?

I wish some detective or media would contact Cindy's co-workers and find out what she was really like.  And if you notice,  there doesn't seem to be any really close friends of the family...and don't "secrets" prevent them from really letting people in?

It really is amazing the huge amount of detail Casey remembers and her very quick recall of things that, quite frankly, would seem hard for the average person to remember offhand.  She's got characters and elements of several different movies, for example, and what you mentioned, ficticious people in her life.  Then there are the actual people and events in her life with her own spin, plus a one-up mentality.  Am not sure how she keeps all the minute details straight in her own mind, without her head exploding!  lol  But very odd that she and Cindy can do this, while at the same time *not remember* the very basic day-to-day details that are common to most of us.  Like the sitter's name, where she lives, her phone number, etc.  They can't remember or they didn't get it together enough to make a planB in case no one believed them.  (And yet, sociopaths tend to live life expecting others to believe them, I don't think they are used to making planB's). 

I'm with you, sure do hope LE has contacted friends/co-workers/family of Cindy and Casey both, to get the big picture of what their experiences have been with these two.  That would be VERY telling!  Course, LE may have already been on top of this from the start, we aren't privy to everything they've done and know. 

Yes, secrets can and do prevent people from letting others in.  Walls can be built where no one is allowed to get near, let alone get beyond.  What speaks volumes to me is that there doesn't seem to be any family or co-workers gathered close to the A's for comfort and support.  This tells me that very likely Cindy and Casey both have burned bridges with those folks and they learned to keep their distance, for their own comfort levels, etc. 
 

[Wyks]

Good Night Monkeys..

I'm going to attempt to crawl to bed now as every muscle in my body aches..I may have to have my coffee intravenously tomorrow as I don't think I can lift my coffee mug..

Let's hope what Wendy Murphy said is not a reality as what we know already is bad enough as it is...
 

Why are you sick???  Well, I was going to hug you goodnite, but I guess I wont.

He's been shoveling snow. 

Wonder how it feels to be Baez and have been shoveling $hit all this time.  No wonder his neck always looks stiff.   

 

[Wyks]

I read with interest the discussion on living life with seperate realities.  It's a really deep process to understand, hard to explain, certainly can't explain it fully in a forum such as this. 

Basically tho, what happens is that a person can actually live with two or more realities.  One reality is what actually occurred in their life.  A second reality is what the person *would like* their life to be like.  A third reality is their current day to day life, which they've managed to fashion for themselves.  Sometimes working on a fourth reality because they aren't happy with their current reality, perhaps blending some of their second reality in. 

A person doing this isn't necessarily 'delusional' or 'psychotic', even if they may act like it at times.  They may pick and choose which reality they are living at the moment.  Living with a person like this can be a nightmare, on the other hand, some have it so under control hardly anyone notices. 

Problems begin for this person when their realities collide.  I think this is, in part, what has happened with Casey and Cindy.  (Both of whom seem to live their own seperate realities, as well as having at least one in common).  I believe that at least a few of their seperate realities have been on a collision course for quite some time, and when they crashed, Caylee was the casualty.   

I don't know that any of this makes sense to anyone else.  Could just be one of my current realities.   

It does make sense and sounds very much like Casey to me and maybe Cindy. 

I think Cindy does it also.  Notice how she always says Casey is just like her.  And look how Cindy can change her stories on a dime.  I was thought I was gonna get whiplash.

 

Same here!   

[Bearlyhere]

At this point, I truly think the Anthony's are damned if they do and damned it they don't.  But they brought this on themselves and I have no sympathy for them!! JMO

oooppssss I got locked outta the last cage...cooking cookies and they needed attention!  AS far as sympathy....WHY?  these people have known Caylee was deceased as long, if not longer, than we have. When the results of the hair in the trunk with the death band, coupled with all the other indication...THEY KNEW!! Had they not coddled Caset in jail and at home...had they gotten tough, had they not carried on with her lies...had they told her THEY KNEW...perhaps, just perhaps she might have admitted it or at least got mad and said something that would have led to recovering Caylee's body. I blame them, in part, for Caylee laying in the field for all those months.

I so agree!  Never did we hear them ask her "Casey, I need the truth, I need to know!"  They just helped Casey perpetuate her lies.  Actually, I think Casey told them exactly what they wanted to hear.  In a way, I think Casey continued her lies to appease Cindy.

I still have to wonder how different, if any,  it was when she got home after her first bail was posted. 

Casey would not have told the truth just because Cindy "needed to know." She wasn't just appeasing Cindy with her lies, she was controlling her. Sociopaths don't care if their parents get angry. They don't care if their parents are hurting or crying. They don't care what others want or need, including living and breathing.

It is all but impossible to discipline such a child, because they feel no guilt, no remorse, and never feel responsible for anything, and so anything you do to them, is nothing but a reason for them to get even with you. Casey would not have told her parents anything unless it suited her purpose to do so. There really is nothing they could have done, to get the info from her.

They might even have been advised by a counsellor about how to talk to Casey to get the most cooperation from her: never tell a sociopath you "need" anything. Never expect them to care about you or how you feel. Always act as if you think their feelings are the most important thing. This is the only way to keep their trust. Feed their egos and pretend it's all about them, and they will trust you and drop their guard eventually. If you show disapproval, even a little bit, you become the enemy.

Never let them know you don't believe their lies, or they'll get paranoid. The way Cindy talks to Casey, looks to me very much as if she's been coached by an expert. JMO. And she did admit she was seeing a counselor to figure out how to deal with Casey, and the counselor had advised her to try to get custody.

Fuzzball I think you hit it on the head here. 

I agree, Casey is a sociopath.  But CA just kept feeding her lies!!  I would still have asked her! I would have to!  They could have used her bail as bait but chose to keep it all going!!  I don't think they were coached by anone except maybe Baez!! JMO

I disagree. Cindy WAS seeing a counselor. She didn't even know Baez when she was first asking Casey questions about Caylee's disappearance. It is hard, exhausting work talking to a real narcissist, and when you know they're going to lie to you anyway, really you pick your battles and you don't waste your time and energy trying to achieve the impossible.

Mytime, you say you would have asked her, and of course you would have, because you hadn't just spent 22 years coping with her. When you have spent 20+ years dealing with a sociopath you might feel differently. Cindy knows that Casey won't care if she cries, yells, etc....Cindy has very little bargaining power with Casey, and the one time she used what little power she had, she lost Caylee.

Her grand, short experiment with "tough love" cost her everything.

That is what I said from the beginning.  It was too much too fast.  There is a picture of CA and GA looking at KC and Caylee (foreground), where their faces show their exhaustion and exasperation, imo.  This picture says a thousand words.  It is the beginning of the end.

 

[Orchidwmn]

Why Do the Anthony's always say Caylee was 3 years Old??????? She never had the chance to be 3!!!!! Thanks to that whole crazy family. I don't know why that bothers me so bad but it REALLY, REALLY DOES!!!!!

Because she was only 2 months away from her 3rd birthday when she died. She was over 3 1/2 feet tall and over 35 lbs.  If you say she was 2, people picture a baby like she was in her pictures over a year ago. She looked like a 3-year-old, not a 2-year-old. IMO saying she was 3 gives a much more accurate picture of what she looked and acted like.

I understand.

I feel that Caylee was robbed of her third birthday and by saying she is three, the Ants make it seem like that theft never happened.  Her third birthday and the rest of her life was stolen from her.

Bearly, I think our emotions are just raw, and the details seem so important. I think that everyday when I log in and see  just reported by mother #, and I just want to say ARRRGGG she NEVER reported her missing. If she hadn't left Amy's resume in the car, if Amy hadn't answered her phone, if she and Tony had gone out, if, if, if, we may have never have known Caylee was missing!!!

[Fuzzball]

Fuzzball, I completely agree with what you are saying about Casey.  No doubt, she is a true sociopath.  However, were I differ from you is CA. 

I know CA saw a counselor - don't know haw many times though!  IMO, I hardly think that CA was going to have someone else tell her how to handle her own daughter.  She always knows best!!  She may have used custody of Caylee to threaten Casey but still never acted on it.

I truly believe CA has some kind of personality disorder as well.  She couldn't even take advise from her free experienced lawyer - Nejames.

If she truly knows Casey was a sociopath then why perpetuate the fraud!!  To gain Casey trust??  I just don't think so.  Just my opinion!!

I think Cindy is definitely OCD, and possibly has some other personality disorders. I think she uses guilt and drama on others, because she herself is a sucker for guilt and drama. Since they work so well on her she can't imagine that Casey or George would be immune to them. She makes elaborate excuses for Casey because the truth hurts too much. I agree she's a control freak, that she should have taken custody instantly or shut up, that she made empty threats and was an inconsistent and poor parent, and that she didn't do enough to protect Caylee. 

All I disagree about really is the idea that she could have gotten Casey to tell the truth. She couldn't. Nobody could. And that she made her a sociopath by spoiling her. I don't think that's possible either.
I think

[BluesyGram]

Fuzzball, I completely agree with what you are saying about Casey.  No doubt, she is a true sociopath.  However, were I differ from you is CA. 

I know CA saw a counselor - don't know haw many times though!  IMO, I hardly think that CA was going to have someone else tell her how to handle her own daughter.  She always knows best!!  She may have used custody of Caylee to threaten Casey but still never acted on it.

I truly believe CA has some kind of personality disorder as well.  She couldn't even take advise from her free experienced lawyer - Nejames.

If she truly knows Casey was a sociopath then why perpetuate the fraud!!  To gain Casey trust??  I just don't think so.  Just my opinion!!

Mytime, I know how you feel..the more I tried to put things together...the dizzier I got.  It all led back to the beginning of the circle.  That is what led me on this "quest" for the alternative reality thing.  It was the only thing that made sense to me.  But in order for me to really accept it was that both Cindy and Casey do/had it.

A lot of people do this and some have obviously made a fortune at it.  But a couple of those people who commented said they have trouble keeping it separate.  Wyks gave a good explanation of how this tragedy could have happened because of it.  And of course the tragedy didn't end it..they are still doing it...guess they just wrote it in the script, with a few changes as it goes along.

http://ask.metafilter.com/59628/Ive-invented-a-complete-imaginary-world-Am-I-insane

[da sparkenator]

Even though you knew Caylee was dead, didn't you feel like you were sucker punched when it was announced?

Yes, Bearly, absolutely.   And for me it was particularly unreal.  I had taken the day off from work and was on dial up at my boyfriend's house.  I was trying to catch up on the boards and was making my usual flippant remarks on the previous thread.  Two hours later I found out and skipped ahead on the boards.

I never doubted for a minute that Caylee was no longer with us, but the news came so quietly (reading it on the web)  that it seems unreal.  It's not like in the movies when things follow according to script and there is appropriate clues and music, you know what I mean?

I feel sort of a depression like women might feel after having a baby or when you have been totally involved in a project and it's over.  (Although I realize this investigation and the trial that will follow is far from over.)

As to the speculation that Casey might have gotten Caylee involved in child pornography, I have a hard time accepting that.  I think though that maybe Casey was running in crowds where it could have eventually happened and therefore maybe someone suggested to her to use drugs to subdue her when she/Casey was trying to party.  I don't think it quite got to the point where Caylee was sexually abused.

I do think it is much more likely that Casey was involved in some kind of sex parties or amateur porno.  I don't think she was a call girl, she didn't have enough money and didn't have enough opportunity.  (She was always on the phone and how can you be a call girl when your child is often with you?)

I do want to ask something of you and other monkeys, however.  Did you notice how fresh and beautiful Caylee was early on and later she did not look so well?  To me, she didn't look her beautiful self when she was in the car seat holding her dollie.  Instead of thriving as she got older, the opposite seemed to be true.


The hardest thing to accept is that we will probably never know what really happened.

I was also on a roller coaster about the meter reader and all that speculation but I have come to one conclusion and that is he saw a bag that wasn't related and his interest came from the foul smell in the woods.  I'm quessing he kept calling cause there was no indication that his lead was being followed up on or he got an attitude from the people he reported his concerns to.

Because of my faith in God and my understanding of God's timing, I see the discovery of the body as a miracle and a blessing.  Just a couple of weeks ago I though we would never find her body at all.

I am praying for the sick dysfunctional people that didn't give Caylee the life she deserved.  The alternative would be to be consumed by hate.

Thanks for "listening".

Karen

Thanks, Karen.  There was a lot of good thoughts in your post.

I did notice how Caylee looked confused and scared toward the end.  It did not escape me that it appeared Lee enjoyed torturing her also.  Wonder what that was about.  Was he jealous?  We have gone over the 'maybe Lee is the father' thing many times.  Can we think of another reason?

There was that talk about Lee being cold toward his sister when he found out she was pregnant.  Maybe he is protective of Casey and expected better for her (than to have a child and not be married) and he never got over that.  It seems like the people in that family have poor coping skills, perhaps Lee just doesn't know how to relate to children.

I think the thought that a child is a blessing, regardless of circumstances, might be a foreign concept to Lee.

Perhaps we are making too much of Lee taunting Caylee . . . in my family the men liked to tease girls mercilessly.  I chalk it up to the men not knowing how to show affection appropriately.  I was pinned on the floor and tickled, stuff like that.  There are even pictures taken of me when I was growing up that would give an impression that I was being psychologically abused.

I grew up to be OK with all of it and to understand that the men in my family don't know how to appropriately show love.  Too bad Caylee didn't have the same chance to grow up to be a woman.

Karen

[Bearlyhere]

I am sorry to say I am no fan of Wendy Murphy!  Yes, she says what's on her mind - and I admire that but her opinions on certain things are just wrong, IMO.  I hate when she talks about the Ramseys.  I followed that case, and no one will ever convince me that they played a role in the killing of Jon Benet!!

I disagree on Jon Benet. 

Nothing would surprise me in the Caylee case.  Casey was capable of anything, imo.

No one will ever know with that case as the investigation and evidence was so botched.

However, if it happened today and a little girl was found dead in the parents home, evidence was found on the duct tape to the mom and both parents refused lie detector tests and did not cooperate with the police imagine what we all would be saying?

I am just saying. Apply those same principles to this case and forget the personalities. In covering cases for over 3 years now I have come to one conclusion ... people are capable of anything, especially parents with crimes on this children. One of the saddest and most heart wrenching cases I was ever covered and was involved with was the Marcus Fiesel.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/02/21/liz-carroll-mother-of-3-year-old-murdered-fotser-child-marcus-fiesel-found-guity/

I was actually emailed and comments posted on SM regarding our coverage of this case and how terrible we were by the mother. Actually she made threats and called me every name in the book The next day she was arrested for the murder of her son.

Unfortunately the Jon Benet case is one that will never be solved.

I remember this case very well!  Foster care parents need to be supervised far more than they are.  Foster care case workers need to be better trained.  As a former child abuse investigator, I met so many foster care parents I wouldn't leave my dog with!!  I couldn't believe someone actually certified some of these poeple!!   

That is so sad, MT.

Now you moved on to abusing monkeys and stealing duckies.  You have hit the big time.   

[mytime]

See, I always thought the Jon Benet case was the same way.  I felt her mom wanted her to be so perfect, the house so perfect, the day so perfect, then Jon Benet wet her bed and her Mom was tired and snapped.  The entire family went into defense mode and hid the fact.  But they coulndt leave Jon Benet out in the snow, alone, and that messed up the kidnap story. 

Yep.

The things that convinced me in that case, were:
 
1) Before the police arrived, Patsy had 5 friends over (at 6 AM???) to help her clean. They scrubbed down the kitchen, bathrooms, etc...and of course left prints all over the house.

2) They denied for years that anyone in the family had a "high-tech" sneaker, but Burke and Patsy both said years later that Burke had shoes with compasses on the laces. There's only one kind of shoe like that--"Hi-techs."

3) Hundreds of suspects had their handwriting compared to that letter over the years, and only Patsy's ever matched. Plus who writes a practice ransom note at the victim's house? A kidnapper would have come with one ready, or sent one later, not sit in the house writing one.

***4) The Ramseys did everything they could to ruin the crime scene--moved the body, removed the duct tape, scrubbed down the house, had 5 people running in and out of the house while the police were there, as well. 

The ransom was for the exact amount of John's bonus, rather than for his whole income or life savings. Kidnappers don't ask for a reasonable share of your income, they want it all. You know who asks for a reasonable share of your income? Your wife, that's who.

And even though the note specified the kidnappers would call at a certain time, the Ramseys didn't appear to expect that call. They didn't get anxious as the time neared, or watch the clock, or anything. Clearly the ransom was just in the note to give John an excuse to go to the bank and get money for their trip so they wouldn't miss their plane. They were more concerned with getting out of town and taking their vacation, than with their daughter's death.

And then later they were far more concerned with their feelings of persecution by "the media," LE, and the public, than with the actual loss of their daughter or sadness about what she must have experienced.

And Patsy's fingerprints were the only ones on the glasses of tea, the bowl and can of pineapple, etc....and she had slept in, (or spent the night in) her clothes.

Finally, the DNA "exonerating" the Ramsey family is overstating the case. All it really proves is that no male of the family ejaculated or bled on her during the two days before her death. It doesn't prove they didn't kill her. It doesn't even prove that they were innocent of molestation prior to that.

I personally believe the bedwetting theory. Because if there were a man in that house that night, who did things to JBR, he was not a stranger, or an intruder. He was the family's invited guest, and they guarded his secret with their lives and their children's. I'd rather believe the Mom did it.

Since this has nothing to do with Caylee, I will not even debate this with you.  However, I would like to say I respectfully DISAGREE with you!   

[Bearlyhere]

Hey Monkeys, I have been having a bad day today. I lost my grandmother year ago. I don't know if it is Caylee being found or my sadness of not going to my grandmother's funeral that has put me in a funk. I had to go to London for a Led Zepplin concert when my Grandma passed, so that is pretty crappy on my end and I am feeling really gulity today because I didn't go to her funeral. 

I HOPE and PRAY Casey feels 1 million times the guilt because she doesn't go to Caylee's funeral.

I hope this isn't too off topic, but I have been crying all day.

I'm sorry about your grandmother. Sounds like that was a long time ago, but you're a good person and you still feel guilty. Casey isn't capable of feeling guilt. If she were, she would have confessed to the murder long long ago. for that matter, she probably would not have committed the murder.

You being there did not make a tinkers dang in the kingdom of heaven, I feel confident your Grandmother made it and would probably have been delighted you made the concert. Please do not put regrets on yourself. We all usually have them when we lose someone close but there is really no reason. We do what we can at the time. I had some regrets at some of my losses but you know what? ...it respects them more to remember the good times with them rather than our own loss. Time can not go back, only forward. Try to live with the good memories and your energy focused on the moving forward. However, we feel what we feel, and I wish you peace.

Peace, a little word but a big feeling.

Hi Shell, how is it going?

[higherhopes]

I cant help but wonder what Casey is thinking sitting in her little cell tonight............Knowing that she killed her little girl, lied about it to everyone,lost the boyfriend that she hoped to have a long relationship with, and now what does she think her future holds for her
   She has to know that she is in for a long Prison term....
   She has to know that at 22 she has lost her life for what?
   Is she even thinking about ever telling the truth?
   Does she feel guilty?
   Does she wish she had never done this horrible deed?
   Does she ever think about that day and what she did?
 


I just wish someone could get into her brain and see just what is going on in there, because thats the only way anyone will ever know the truth, for it will never come out of her mouth Im sure.

[da sparkenator]

I am sorry to say I am no fan of Wendy Murphy!  Yes, she says what's on her mind - and I admire that but her opinions on certain things are just wrong, IMO.  I hate when she talks about the Ramseys.  I followed that case, and no one will ever convince me that they played a role in the killing of Jon Benet!!

I disagree on Jon Benet. 

Nothing would surprise me in the Caylee case.  Casey was capable of anything, imo.

No one will ever know with that case as the investigation and evidence was so botched.

However, if it happened today and a little girl was found dead in the parents home, evidence was found on the duct tape to the mom and both parents refused lie detector tests and did not cooperate with the police imagine what we all would be saying?

I am just saying. Apply those same principles to this case and forget the personalities. In covering cases for over 3 years now I have come to one conclusion ... people are capable of anything, especially parents with crimes on this children. One of the saddest and most heart wrenching cases I was ever covered and was involved with was the Marcus Fiesel.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/02/21/liz-carroll-mother-of-3-year-old-murdered-fotser-child-marcus-fiesel-found-guity/

I was actually emailed and comments posted on SM regarding our coverage of this case and how terrible we were by the mother. Actually she made threats and called me every name in the book The next day she was arrested for the murder of her son.

Unfortunately the Jon Benet case is one that will never be solved.

I remember this case very well!  Foster care parents need to be supervised far more than they are.  Foster care case workers need to be better trained.  As a former child abuse investigator, I met so many foster care parents I wouldn't leave my dog with!!  I couldn't believe someone actually certified some of these poeple!!   

That is so sad, MT.

Now you moved on to abusing monkeys and stealing duckies.  You have hit the big time.   

Perhaps you could change your name to Big Time??     Or Duct Abductor???   

[mytime]

I am sorry to say I am no fan of Wendy Murphy!  Yes, she says what's on her mind - and I admire that but her opinions on certain things are just wrong, IMO.  I hate when she talks about the Ramseys.  I followed that case, and no one will ever convince me that they played a role in the killing of Jon Benet!!

I disagree on Jon Benet. 

Nothing would surprise me in the Caylee case.  Casey was capable of anything, imo.

No one will ever know with that case as the investigation and evidence was so botched.

However, if it happened today and a little girl was found dead in the parents home, evidence was found on the duct tape to the mom and both parents refused lie detector tests and did not cooperate with the police imagine what we all would be saying?

I am just saying. Apply those same principles to this case and forget the personalities. In covering cases for over 3 years now I have come to one conclusion ... people are capable of anything, especially parents with crimes on this children. One of the saddest and most heart wrenching cases I was ever covered and was involved with was the Marcus Fiesel.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/02/21/liz-carroll-mother-of-3-year-old-murdered-fotser-child-marcus-fiesel-found-guity/

I was actually emailed and comments posted on SM regarding our coverage of this case and how terrible we were by the mother. Actually she made threats and called me every name in the book The next day she was arrested for the murder of her son.

Unfortunately the Jon Benet case is one that will never be solved.

I remember this case very well!  Foster care parents need to be supervised far more than they are.  Foster care case workers need to be better trained.  As a former child abuse investigator, I met so many foster care parents I wouldn't leave my dog with!!  I couldn't believe someone actually certified some of these poeple!!   

That is so sad, MT.

Now you moved on to abusing monkeys and stealing duckies.  You have hit the big time.   

    YUP!!

I think my new glasses are giving me an attitude!   

[mytime]

I am sorry to say I am no fan of Wendy Murphy!  Yes, she says what's on her mind - and I admire that but her opinions on certain things are just wrong, IMO.  I hate when she talks about the Ramseys.  I followed that case, and no one will ever convince me that they played a role in the killing of Jon Benet!!

I disagree on Jon Benet. 

Nothing would surprise me in the Caylee case.  Casey was capable of anything, imo.

No one will ever know with that case as the investigation and evidence was so botched.

However, if it happened today and a little girl was found dead in the parents home, evidence was found on the duct tape to the mom and both parents refused lie detector tests and did not cooperate with the police imagine what we all would be saying?

I am just saying. Apply those same principles to this case and forget the personalities. In covering cases for over 3 years now I have come to one conclusion ... people are capable of anything, especially parents with crimes on this children. One of the saddest and most heart wrenching cases I was ever covered and was involved with was the Marcus Fiesel.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/02/21/liz-carroll-mother-of-3-year-old-murdered-fotser-child-marcus-fiesel-found-guity/

I was actually emailed and comments posted on SM regarding our coverage of this case and how terrible we were by the mother. Actually she made threats and called me every name in the book The next day she was arrested for the murder of her son.

Unfortunately the Jon Benet case is one that will never be solved.

I remember this case very well!  Foster care parents need to be supervised far more than they are.  Foster care case workers need to be better trained.  As a former child abuse investigator, I met so many foster care parents I wouldn't leave my dog with!!  I couldn't believe someone actually certified some of these poeple!!   

That is so sad, MT.

Now you moved on to abusing monkeys and stealing duckies.  You have hit the big time.   

Perhaps you could change your name to Big Time??     Or Duct Abductor???   

  

[flossy]

Perhaps you could change your name to Big Time??     Or Duct Abductor???   

  

She's the Abducktor!!!