Natalee Case Discussion #686 10/14 - 10/22

[Observer]

Fatal Error   >   

Pity, Wonderwoman's date with the FOBRU guillotine will have to wait...

 

I've been waiting for the encore:

Shame..This may ruin Chuck Rats ability to organize his little meeting at Beth's book signing tomorrow 

[klaasend]

Ran across a HarryTho article noting a request (Jan 06) by Antonio Carlo from the PROS for the NFI report. Link to a Bon Dia article was dead.

I guess the Sloots were interested in what exactly Deepak said...

Could you tell the date?  I might have copied the article.

Found the HarryTho:

HarryTho 1/17 Natalee Holloway Commentary (Updated)
Topics: Natalee Holloway

This evening I thought I would do a recap of the latest news out of Aruba from last evening through today. First, the sand dune search has turned up nothing, despite rumors of a bloody sneaker discovered late yesterday.

More than 50 police officers began searching a 1-square-mile area on Monday, said Gerold Dompig, Aruba's chief of police. But the search was suspended Tuesday because the force could not continue to devote so many officers to the undertaking.

"We can't pull 55 people from the Aruba police force since the island only has about 250 police," Dompig said. "We do need that many people to do the search."

The zone being searched is roughly the size of 8 soccer fields, or 1 square mile (2.59 sq. kilometers), Dompig said, adding that almost half the area was searched on Monday.


Authorities might resume the search as early as Thursday, police said. They intended to search the area one more time after that.
In a supplemental article from the Caribbean News briefs, we discover that the search was postponed, after a 3-soccer-fields size area was probed.
"We covered about 3 soccer fields today," Dompig said Monday.
By the way, other Aruban sources on other blogs are beginning to breathe hints about the two Aruban investigative team agents that flew to Barbados. This could be a real lead and not some prank! Authorities have not found Holloway's body. Police said they were using photos and maps to comb through the sand dunes, which they have considered a place of interest since the investigation began.
The dunes had been searched at least once before, Dompig said.

Authorities said they ordered the new search as part of a review of the initial investigation.

From the Bon Dia Newspaper and my limited translation ability, we have a repeat story (page 3 top) of Antonio Carlo motioning the appellate court for a declaratory judgment in order to acquire a copy of the report from the Dutch Forensic Institute concerning the manipulated Dr. Phil Show tapes aired against Deepak Kalpoe. I could not discern if a decision had been reached. I got the impression from the article that Bon Dia was awaiting the decision of the court. Also, no information has been released about the amount of monetary damages awarded Paulus van der Sloot for wrongful incarceration.

The Bon Dia Newspaper offered two other articles of interest. One article covered Dave Holloway's promotion of Corruption in Aruba (page 3 bottom). Bon Dia questioned the timing of Dave Holloway's book on Corruption in Aruba just after the Public affairs Minister announces that Natalee Holloway could be dead. From my limited translation ability, the Bon Dia suggests that a "made-for-TV" movie might be in the works that would shed a negative light upon Aruba.
(snipped)

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2006/01/harrytho_117_na_1.php

[sandy leiva]

But I don't ever remember hearing an admission that Paulus was not home that night and didn't have an alibi???!!!!
Is this written somewhere in joran's book?

No, I don't think it's written in Joran's book.  I think that is Jonathon45's theory.

hmmmm...now I am curious!! Could it be written in the book this way? Where would this guy come up w/ paulus not being home and no alibi???!!

 


HMMMMM... shango wrote  the son was the alibi, the son was the sacrafice.  Depack states to joran "your own father".  Depack accuses joran of not caring about anyone. Joran says  I do what my family tells me to I do it for them. Joran says I dont feel the need to tell all now but someday I will. Joran says Many people will be hurt if I say more. Who is the people to get hurt. Shango says the boy is biting his tounge his red and bloodeid tounge.  Again for who?  Well imo its for Papa Sloot -Joran is covering for papa Sloot .  Papa Sloot doesnt want Anita to know He was the  a player with Natalee, then Joran and co. Depack said to Joran she was a virgin and that got you into trouble . Joran was the sacrafice, he gets to take the blame so papa sloot can stay clear and help Joran go scott free.

[klaasend]

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006_01_08_archive.html

1.13.2006
While the family’s case for damages and prejudice takes place this morning
Monday the Superior Court will deal with Joran v.d. Sloot’s appeal to obtain documents from the Public Prosecutor
Bon Dia Aruba
01/13/2006

ORANJESTAD – While this morning at 9 o’clock the court will deal with the case of damages and prejudice the v.d. Sloot family brought against the government, Monday, members of the Superior Court will deal with Joran v.d. Sloot’s appeal to obtain documents from the Public Prosecutor.

DAMAGES AND PREJUDICE

As Bon Dia Aruba has published, this morning Mr. Paul van der Sloot, accompanied by his lawyer, Mr. Swaen, will present himself in court to deal with the case of damages and prejudice against the government.

This week, the Superior Court handed down its judgment in the case of Mr. Paul van der Sloot and decided that not only Mr. Paul van der Sloot, but also his family, among others Joran van der Sloot, can bring a case of damages and prejudice.

It is Bon Dia Aruba’s understanding that this type of case is conducted behind closed doors. However, Bon Dia Aruba will undertake all efforts to obtain information about this case to be able to inform our readers.

JORAN’S CASE

Monday at 3.30 in the afternoon, the Superior Court will deal with the case of the appeal that attorney Carlo started against the Judge Commissioner’s decision, which rejected Mr. Carlo’s request to obtain documents from the Public Prosecutor related to the Holloway case.

Among the documents, Mr. Carlo wants to obtain the report from the forensic institute of Holland NFI, which observed that there was a manipulation in the recording which aired on the Dr. Phil show in the U.S. It is Bon Dia Aruba’s understanding that members of Curacao Court will deal with this case and that the case will take place behind closed doors.


// posted by Getagrip @ 1/13/2006 12:20:00 AM   

[greeneyedlady]

Jonathan45



Joined: 09 Jun 2007
Posts: 128

 Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:44 pm    Post subject:   

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LOOKING BACK VI

Two books, two story timelines and after reading the first two statements from Joran and the available statements made by Paulus [June 18, 2005 and June 25, 2005] again, I come to only one conclusion: it is really PaulusVDS who was sitting next to Natalee Holloway when his son played blackjack in the Excelsior Casino on Sunddayevening May 29, 2005 sitting among friends of Natalee.
Joran never mentioned anything about the man present on the video footage of the Excelsior Casino. If it was a friend or someone else he knew by face he would have mentioned it at an earlier stage.
He did not.
He also did not confirm that it was his father.
Joran stated that on Sundayafternoon he went to a free pokertournament in the Excelsior Casino, accompanied by his dad.

The tournament started from 4.00pm.
Paulus stated the name of the tournament was "Free Carribean Stud".
Joran stated that he was sitting at the "Texas Hold'em"table.
Joran's book on page 76 after he is out of the game after two hours: "My dad is still playing poker en he does it really well. It was his first and as I did understand sofar, also his last time in the casino.
During a break my dad decided to go home because my youngest brother Sebastiaan should brought home by the mother of a friend, where he played that afternoon".
Joran confirmed in his statement that Paulus drove home "to babysit".

When was the break during the tournament on Sundayevening ?
Paulus stated:"It was at 6.30pm".
Joran stated [Beth' book page 136]: I lost, and we left [the table] between 7.00pm and 8,00pm. I went to the blackjack table, This is where I met Natalee and her friends. Friends keep insisting for me to come to C'nC's. After this the girls left for the bar. I called my father at 11.00pm to come pick me up at Mc Donalds".
PaulusVDS confirmed that Joran called him at about 11.00pm to pick up Joran.
There is no lack of memory answer from his dad this time.

Back to the timeline. Back to the computerrecords.

At what time did Joran logged in that Sundayevening ?

to be continued
 

[klaasend]

Posted at Scrux by J45 this morning:


Jonathan45

Joined: 09 Jun 2007
Posts: 128

 Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:44 pm    Post subject:   

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LOOKING BACK VI

Two books, two story timelines and after reading the first two statements from Joran and the available statements made by Paulus [June 18, 2005 and June 25, 2005] again, I come to only one conclusion: it is really PaulusVDS who was sitting next to Natalee Holloway when his son played blackjack in the Excelsior Casino on Sunddayevening May 29, 2005 sitting among friends of Natalee.
Joran never mentioned anything about the man present on the video footage of the Excelsior Casino. If it was a friend or someone else he knew by face he would have mentioned it at an earlier stage.
He did not.
He also did not confirm that it was his father.
Joran stated that on Sundayafternoon he went to a free pokertournament in the Excelsior Casino, accompanied by his dad.

The tournament started from 4.00pm.
Paulus stated the name of the tournament was "Free Carribean Stud".
Joran stated that he was sitting at the "Texas Hold'em"table.
Joran's book on page 76 after he is out of the game after two hours: "My dad is still playing poker en he does it really well. It was his first and as I did understand sofar, also his last time in the casino.
During a break my dad decided to go home because my youngest brother Sebastiaan should brought home by the mother of a friend, where he played that afternoon".
Joran confirmed in his statement that Paulus drove home "to babysit".

When was the break during the tournament on Sundayevening ?
Paulus stated:"It was at 6.30pm".
Joran stated [Beth' book page 136]: I lost, and we left [the table] between 7.00pm and 8,00pm. I went to the blackjack table, This is where I met Natalee and her friends. Friends keep insisting for me to come to C'nC's. After this the girls left for the bar. I called my father at 11.00pm to come pick me up at Mc Donalds".
PaulusVDS confirmed that Joran called him at about 11.00pm to pick up Joran.
There is no lack of memory answer from his dad this time.

Back to the timeline. Back to the computerrecords.

At what time did Joran logged in that Sundayevening ?

to be continued
 

[klaasend]

GEL 

[igsigs]

I wonder if Carlo's *crisis of conscience* included the Kalpoes...or just el sporto?

[greeneyedlady]

GEL 

  

Haven't been able to post til now, was getting that message dugga was talking about and emailed him.

[klaasend]

GEL 

  

Haven't been able to post til now, was getting that message dugga was talking about and emailed him.

Well I'm glad you are finally able to post!  I haven't gotten any errors yet.

[2NJSons_Mom]

   I'm sorry, but this struck me funny...(RU)

message_die() was called multiple times. This isn't supposed to happen. Was message_die() used in page_tail.php?

[klaasend]

  I'm sorry, but this struck me funny...(RU)

message_die() was called multiple times. This isn't supposed to happen. Was message_die() used in page_tail.php?

ROFLMO 

[jackb]

PVDS statement June 23

   To your question whether I can remember if Joran complained
from legs in his feet or legs during the period from May 30th 2005 to
June 9th 2005, I can state the following. I can remember that between
the time Anita went to the Netherlands and the time he was arrested
Joran did complain about pain in his legs and feet. I cannot remember
however if he specifically complained about that on Monday.

   To your question whether I asked him what could have caused
the pains, I can state the following. No, I did not ask him. He complained
about these kinds of pains from time to time.

   To your question whether I knew what the causes were of these pains,
I can state the following. I assumed that they were general pains of being
tired/being sore. I had not attributed them to a specific reason.


Did we ever see a statement by Joran that he had leg pains??  Who told the police Joran was complaining of foot and/or leg pain?? Or did someone tell the police to ask Joran about his legs??  Was he lifting cement....I mean something heavy??  Was he scratched or bruised??  hmmmmm

Did he kick someone.  He is famous for kicking people.  Was the charge "Heavy Battery" really Joran's charge.  Did they try to frame Guido because he knew what happened and they needed him to shut up.  I can see Karin Janssen saying let's charge him with one of Joran's charges.  Hummmm.

Hummm could possibly be San.  What else do you think happened.

I think that Joran became violent when Natalee got that phone call off.  She fought and he got a bruise on his face.  He became enraged and beat her to death.  The Kalpoes stood there and watched because they were shitting their pants in fear.

I also think that there is still so much evidence (blood) at the Sloot dump that is the reason that Paulus is not moving.

The only way for them to move is if they demolish the house and dig up the pool and whatever evidence is there and they dispose of it.  But they can't do that because they know everyone is watching so they are stuck there.

Anonymous said...
Joran van der Sloot may you rot in Hell.
Hello I am a cousin from Deepak I seen it all

Natalee Holloway had been at the casino, and had been drinking with the Joran Van der Sloot he is as guilty as hell the creep slime vampire bat . The two brothers one called Satish and Deepak and Joran Van der sloot, and I thinks a fellow named Steve all creeps , whom had been arrested about this case in 2006, had a plan. They had done this type of thing to so many other other girls in Aruba before. They were to give Natalee a last drugged drink to go, and Joran was to put a drug in her drink, I think a 'Date Rape Drug". He did. Natalee was not really so drunk when she left with Joran Van der Sloot, she was drugged! by all means Joran had asked her to go with him to see the Light House she was pulled to the car . Natalee was not sure about going and had refused at first , but with the drink and the drug in it, she followed him to the awaiting car like a sheep waiting to be slaugthered. It was just her and Joran Van der sloot, not the rest of the guys in the car , as has been reported by other withnesses. Joran started to drive to the Light House but Natalee passed out cold almost as soon as she got in the car! Joran then turned around and drove to a beach close to her hotel! He parked and dragged her out of the car onto the beach where the other three guys came out of hiding. The two brothers and the Steve guy. They all took turns raping her and when the last brother was nearly finished, Natalee woke up but was very groggy, and the second brother finished, as she started to fight them off. They were very angry and surprised, as one of them who gave Joran the drug, was supposed to give enough to keep her out, nearly all night!They all held her down, as Joran put his hands over her nose and mouth and hit her aswell until she died! Remember, Natalee was very drugged but still managed to fight them off, as best she could. She was a good girl but at the wrong place at the wrong time . She had been tricked and drugged. Other girls had been victims, as well waking up on beaches in the morning light, knowing something terrible had happened to them, but not actually remembering what it was.

The boys had not expected Natalee to wake up, so this was a surprise to them all! One of them quickly called someone the father of Joran van der Sloot and soon another car drove up to the parking spot on the beach. This person brought a black, zippered, coroner's, body bag. They then all helped put her inside. I couldn't see the face of the man who came with the bag, but thought it strange that someone could come up with a body bag so quickly! Next they put Natalee in the back seat of the car who's owner brought the body bag. Natalee was inside the bag and it was dark, so they thought no one would be able to see into the back seat, and I assumed that they did not have to drive far to hide the body.

But fortunate there were other withnesses as well . The first gardener that worked for the Van der Sloot family was said to have been deported he seen it aswell but was sent home to where he came from with some money to keep his mouth closed. He was forced and taken by a small plane, to an island not more than 5 or 10 minutes away, from Aruba, to a 'Compound" in the jungle. The 'People running drug things in Aruba, did not want him to talk since he saw something that night the father of joran van der sloot carrying a big black bag and surely something weird , as he had already spoke to someone, a reporter, I think, and they would have killed him aswell, but it would have looked to suspicious, so they just said he was "deported". The first gardener was from a group of poor people , and came to Aruba to work for the Van der Sloots, in order to earn money for their poor family.So some main "withnesses " gone the drugbarons at the aruba drug kartell, so authorities didn't make any attempt to find him, as they thought he would never tell and he couldn't be found anyway. If those same people thought he had talked about what he saw, they would not hesitate to kill the entire poor family, so that no one would be left to talk! It would be mass genocide! He, however, did talk what he really saw that night to some guards that night , and some other people know about what actually happened. I have to say that at least two of the young men that raped Natalee, and killed her, went straight home after the beach to set up alibi's the bastards.
The First Gardener got up around 4 AM to 4:30 AM, or when ever his usual morning work begins, and that is when he saw the guys with the body bag. He knew something was terribly wrong but he quickly turned around and went back to where he slept until no one else was around. When this gardener, told the wrong person that he saw the Van der Sloot boy at a certain time, I think his first statement was correct. This was his only mistake, and they had to get rid of him. They had no idea he saw them with the black body bag. I cannot tell you where she is buried, as if one of them finds out I have repeated this much, they will try and move it. I just know some very powerful people way up in the island gourvernement with some powerfull influence on that Island helped those guys hide the body and coverup all the tracks.
Poor me I am afraid to talk

The Dutch authorities sent those guys over to Aruba, as they had already been in trouble and they were an embarrassment to the Dutch Authorities. Joran Van der Sloot and the two brothers, would go to school and leave whenever they felt like it rich new kids and you know the rest aswell and the teachers were too afraid to call them on it!
Those three got away with first degree 'Murder' all the time. They finally got into such trouble that they had to be sent away. Joran was back in Aruba, at it again, along with his friends. but fled to Holland to the city Arnhem and sometimes city Haarlem in Holland
You know that the Island survives on it's drug and tourist industry. Many drugs are sent from Aruba. This is why the authorities are so afraid of this story, as they all get kick-backs from the drug money, I know there was a big up coverup meeting there were also six people who had a meeting this year in an Aruba Courtroom.
One included the current Judge. They were talking about the case, and especially about Satish Deepak. They said he was a loose cannon and unstable, and were worried that he might talk! It seems everyone, all adult, in that courtroom, knew what happened to Natalee including the Senior Van der Sloot, who was there in the room with the Judge and four others. They were not in session, as the Judge had his robe open and was standing around with the rest of these people.

Poor Natalee Holloway case is a real problem for Aruba may God have her soul, as she is not the only one who has gone missing because of the same type of action, or drugs. So the Drug kartell warned to sent Joran van der Sloot to Holland They cannot kill the entire Van der Sloot Family and the others that have been arrested, which would probably solve Aruba's problem, as far as the drug business goes.
I have seen that Joran Van der Sloot boy was wearing a blue and white stripped shirt the night Natalee was murdered, and Satish wore a blue T-shirt.


I have to say the gardener said Natalee, is buried under two false floors under the old gray garden shed, on the Van der Sloot property! But because if they catch wind me talking, the body will surely be moved! The first floor of the gardeners shed had some pallets for a floor, and under this floor is another false floor that has dirt over it, so it looks like the ground, but if you look closely, you will see two small handles near the edges of the floor that can be taken up. Even the present gardener doesn't know it's there. In this shed is a lawn mower, and a rake, a bucket and some garden tools. There is also a terrible odor that is partially from the fish cut up to fertilize the gardens. This is what throws them off the scent, so to speak. Natalee is not alone under there. There is another body in there with her,

Well may be you can help
my identity must be protected in case this comes out .
I hope you are very careful with this information and I leave it with you, because you seem to be the only one who can help

I am a cousin from Deepak I seen it all

Thu Aug 16, 04:21:00 PM EDT
posted by ANASTASIA at 9/27/2007 06:07:00 PM <http://maryspritecasey.blogspot.com/2007/09/nataleethis-is-what-anonymous-poster.html>

[klaasend]

  I'm sorry, but this struck me funny...(RU)

message_die() was called multiple times. This isn't supposed to happen. Was message_die() used in page_tail.php?

ROFLMO 

Now getting 

Fatal error: Call to undefined function: extract_current_page() in /home/mcoll34l/public_html/includes/log_schema.php on line 22

[dennisintn]

  I'm sorry, but this struck me funny...(RU)

message_die() was called multiple times. This isn't supposed to happen. Was message_die() used in page_tail.php?

ROFLMO 

Now getting 

Fatal error: Call to undefined function: extract_current_page() in /home/mcoll34l/public_html/includes/log_schema.php on line 22

well, bless their cold, shriveled, black hearts.  they'll have to drink their own venom today.
dennisintn

[NYC_lover]

Klaasend - you got mail!

[friend of monkeys]

Hey ipsigs...GEl and monkeys....


i think none of them have any conscience at all.

[San]

Hey ipsigs...GEl and monkeys....


i think none of them have any conscience at all.

Hi FOM, I agree.

[friend of monkeys]

Hey San.....
hope u are a Patriots fan??

 
Friends of Natalee know we are thinking of her today and always have her in our prayers. 

[Maria]

I know I am in the minority on this but I am still not convinced Natalee was put in the ocean.  Pretty sure not in the beginning nor the first few days.  Maybe eventually but not immediately. 

Most think otherwise, however.

I vacillate on this as well.  On one hand, concealment at the Sloot compound seems likely.  Hidden in plain sight, safely under wraps but close enough to be able to monitor the status.  The ocean seems iffy to me because of the constant movement.  The ocean as a disposal site seems problematic.  I am betting on the backyard.  If not the concrete pool surround, then the shed next to JVDS' penthouse.  The claustrophobic in me hates the shed idea.  Big time. 

I hate both ideas. 

My gut feeling is that she was "buried" that night -- later taken out to sea. IF, she was taken out to sea the first night, I feel the "cage" was used. I kind of hope that is the scenario, though -- because the fish cage is probably the only hope of actually recovering remains at ses.

I read here all the time but usually don't post.  I go between all 3 - the ocean, cremation and VDS house.  The perfect place would be under the "new" concrete.  I'm not sure if they buried her the first night but there was definately something in the house that PVS didn't want seen in or around his house based on his reaction that night.  Cremation would have been the safest because no remains would ever be found.  Ocean also a possibility but that requires planning.  Also FM hunts could have been broken into that evening but that could have been a distraction like everything else in Aruba regarding the case.  Like the beach story which isn't true.  Each of the 3 places seems like it could be valid although I think the toughest would be the ocean.  Considering things do wash up.  I don't think PVDS was at the bank the next day - only that night for ATM withdrawals.  And then you have Joran being rude when Beth arrived that night asking where her daughter was.  And the other fact that none of them helped out with the search for her because in my opinion they knew she would never be found.  Local Arubans missed work and came and helped - but not J2K's.  The island is a small island - someone had to see something.  They are all corrupt.

I agree.  Paulus was not at the bank the next day.  He was trying to show he was going through his normal routine when in fact it was busy at home making phone calls and cleaning up Joran's apartment.

We are going off stories that 4 known liars said.  Every one of their stories takes you away from the Van der Sloot home.  This is why Paulus was seatting bullets and hiding in the bushes when Beth arrived at his home.  The murder happened there and Paulus helped and I still believe there could be a chance that Natalee is on his property.

We have heard the story of a Fish trap, rope and a knife stolen from the huts.  Wasn't it Dompig who reported this story.  Why should I believe what that POS said.  Sometimes I think they want us to believe she was brought out to sea because they know it will discourage some people in trying to find her.  If I believe Dompig then it means I would have to believe his story that his brother in law saw Natalee with drugs and she died of a drug overdose.

I do not believe what that fat POS whose own son is a PIMP rapist has to say.

What bothers me the most is Pauluus that night was looking up drugs and alcohol.  And then Joran's website is taken down.  Then there was the report that the youngest son posted something to the effect of a girl dead in the bath tub.  Just food for thought - if she wasn't in the ocean why is Jossy doing his own search of the ocean?  Just pondering valid questions here now.  My thought is if she was in the ocean it wasn't the first places she was buried.  How about the furniture truck also that was at the PVS site.  Was that to get rid of a body and to replace furniture?  Same as the concrete.  And I remember somewhere maybe on Monday or Tuesday Pauluus doing some gardening.  Really planting flowers or burying a body?

What I think happened(and I want others opinions) is that she was at C&C's.  Joran has drugged travelers before.  They drugged her.  She got in the car with them.  On the way back to Joran's or VDS house she passed out.  Or maybe it was even at the PVDS house.  They tried to revive her by beating her or were beating her in the process of rape(sorry to sound violent here).  She didn't recover.  They didn't want to call 911 because "something bad happened"  this was the beating.  To cover there tracks they had to get rid of the body.  If someone found they body they would have questioned the state it was in "They will see that shit" comment in the police car.  Just my opinion.  Plus, Pauluus guarding the house that night and refusing the search warrant.  And he had help from the judges who I believe he called that night before Beth got there.  I could just see him:

"My son killed a tourist.  They usually due this but they drug them not kill them.  Now she is at my house.  What do I do?"  And the judge comes quickly to protect them.  Sick.