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Author Topic: Natalee Case Discussion #734 2/21 - 2/24/08  (Read 280285 times)
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« Reply #160 on: February 21, 2008, 10:44:00 PM »

Thanks Icehawk
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Icehawk - that is taken directly off the Judicial Inc site which is a very antisemitic site.
[/quote]   Thank you for informing Icehawk  about  that source.  We have so many truthful sites to use not a need to go to hateful places.   
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I found this post on Scrux.com. Looking for Anita's own words that she was in Holland with the other two boys.

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Icehawk - you may have found the link at Scrux, but the link is a copy of everything on the Judicial Inc site.  There is alot of false information on the Judicial Inc site besides it being very antisemetic.

I know you were just trying to be helpful and didn't mean any harm.
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Yes trying to be helpful. Thanks Klaasend.
[/quote]     It is now  understood you were being helpful, I was upset since it was not like the monkeys to get into hateful sites.  It reminds all of us to be careful of what the message really is.  We here are all united For Natalee   With God"s  help,  justice is   guaranteed.   
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« Reply #161 on: February 21, 2008, 10:48:54 PM »
I know I will probably add some fuel to a fire somewhere...
but I don't think Lorenzo is involved, Daury is PVDS and IMO the boat belonged to Koen's family (see Dave's book) and I don't believe from Beth's own mouth, that there was a phone call...
but what I DO believe is that K2 and jvds murdered Natalee and I stand with "the girl"

just some gasoline .... 
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« Reply #162 on: February 21, 2008, 11:01:05 PM »
Ok... now that i have stopped the board from reading old archives and making a wild statment in the middle of something else, I realize I am working far too much... and I am signing out.

Bye Monkeys... keep the faith and stand with the Girl!
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« Reply #163 on: February 21, 2008, 11:01:16 PM »
Quote from: mrs. red on February 21, 2008, 10:48:54 PM
I know I will probably add some fuel to a fire somewhere...
but I don't think Lorenzo is involved, Daury is PVDS and IMO the boat belonged to Koen's family (see Dave's book) and I don't believe from Beth's own mouth, that there was a phone call...
but what I DO believe is that K2 and jvds murdered Natalee and I stand with "the girl"

just some gasoline .... 
While I TEND to agree, I take heart in Viet Vet's post on the FP attesting to the fact that "the family is holding some evidence back" as sort of an 'ace in the hole'. I think they have "proof" of the cover-up. JMO
I also take heart in Kyle's post today!
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« Reply #164 on: February 21, 2008, 11:11:02 PM »
Hans Mos ... consider that John Q. Kelly, Beth Holloway and the defence attorneys all stated emphatically that you did not have sufficient "new" eveidence to warrant further detainment and ... lo and behold ... the judge concured ... IT CAN ONLY BE CONCLUDED THAT YOU MADE THE DECISION TO WITH HOLD THE INCRIMINATING EVIDENCE ... THE EVIDENCE THE YOU AND TEN ATTORNEYS AGREED WAS THE SMOKING GUN.  I ASK ... "WHY?"

Janet

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Hans Mos, Aruba's chief prosecutor, told ABC News he believes the the new evidence makes the case against the three men stronger than it was two years.

"We are convinced if we had had this evidence we have now they would not have been released by the court at that time," Mos said.
http://sendtofriend.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3912737


Hans Mos
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November 27, 2007

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Breaking news from Aruba, Joran van der Sloot ordered to stay behind bars for at least eight more days. Now, the Kalpoe brothers already got the same news last week. Now, all three suspects were re-arrested. Why? The prosecutor has now charged all three with voluntary manslaughter of Natalee Holloway.

MOS: And this decision to re-arrest these three suspects was a decision taken by 10 lawyers, by 10 lawyers sitting around a table (INAUDIBLE) whole afternoon, being presented the new material.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html
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« Reply #165 on: February 21, 2008, 11:15:22 PM »
Quote from: wreck on February 21, 2008, 11:01:16 PM
Quote from: mrs. red on February 21, 2008, 10:48:54 PM
I know I will probably add some fuel to a fire somewhere...
but I don't think Lorenzo is involved, Daury is PVDS and IMO the boat belonged to Koen's family (see Dave's book) and I don't believe from Beth's own mouth, that there was a phone call...
but what I DO believe is that K2 and jvds murdered Natalee and I stand with "the girl"

just some gasoline .... 
While I TEND to agree, I take heart in Viet Vet's post on the FP attesting to the fact that "the family is holding some evidence back" as sort of an 'ace in the hole'. I think they have "proof" of the cover-up. JMO
I also take heart in Kyle's post today!

I Agree Wreck.....It's Not Over and I'm taking Kyle's advise and Staying Tuned!  I Stand With The Girl!
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« Reply #166 on: February 21, 2008, 11:28:05 PM »
Just doing a drive by, but

Corruption???

Well, no one can be successfully convicted or even tried as the result of a corrupt investigation.  Not in any system.  Defense attorney's Field Day.

Careful what you wish for!

Just saying. . . .

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« Reply #167 on: February 21, 2008, 11:43:30 PM »
Quote from: mrs. red on February 21, 2008, 10:48:54 PM
I know I will probably add some fuel to a fire somewhere...
but I don't think Lorenzo is involved, Daury is PVDS and IMO the boat belonged to Koen's family (see Dave's book) and I don't believe from Beth's own mouth, that there was a phone call...
but what I DO believe is that K2 and jvds murdered Natalee and I stand with "the girl"

just some gasoline .... 

Hi mrs. red

I agree ... the "trusted" person that Joran contacted when "something bad happened" was his father.  Also ... I tend to believe that Beth's silence in her book LOVING NATALEE regarding the phone call implies ... she is hold back ... she knows something.

However ...

1.  I believe that a deceased Natalee was taken to Lorenzo's house that fateful morning and ... placed in his basement.

2.  I do not believe that Koen's boat was used to take Natalee out to sea.  I speculate if Natalee was taken out to sea ... she was transported in Lorenzo's boat on the east side of the Island in the first week of June, 2005.

3.  I do not believe that Joran, Deepak and Satish murdered Natalee.  I suspect that Natalee appeared to pass out at the VDS' as a result of wrongdoing at the hands Joran, Deepak, Satish and the pimps and ... was then taken to the beach to sleep it off ... when it was discovered that she was deceased.  Remember ... Joran told Greta ... they had done it 20 times before and ... nothing happened.  In other words ... I contend that Natalee's death was unintentional.

I concede I could be wrong ... just speculating like everybody else.

.... and like you Mrs. red ... I STAND WITH THE GIRL!

Janet
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« Reply #168 on: February 21, 2008, 11:46:04 PM »
My question for the Public Prosecutor, Aruba -
just out of curiosity-
since you say that there is no evidence of a crime having been committed against Natalee Holloway-
then what do you, Mr. Prosecutor, think happened to Natalee?
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« Reply #169 on: February 22, 2008, 12:10:31 AM »
Quote from: bluwaters on February 21, 2008, 11:46:04 PM
My question for the Public Prosecutor, Aruba -
just out of curiosity-
since you say that there is no evidence of a crime having been committed against Natalee Holloway-
then what do you, Mr. Prosecutor, think happened to Natalee?


I think MOS has a pretty good idea what happened to Natalee just like we do.  Actually, I think ALE knew what happened to Natalee by 5/31/05.
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« Reply #170 on: February 22, 2008, 12:24:17 AM »
Quote from: klaasend on February 22, 2008, 12:10:31 AM
Quote from: bluwaters on February 21, 2008, 11:46:04 PM
My question for the Public Prosecutor, Aruba -
just out of curiosity-
since you say that there is no evidence of a crime having been committed against Natalee Holloway-
then what do you, Mr. Prosecutor, think happened to Natalee?


I think MOS has a pretty good idea what happened to Natalee just like we do.  Actually, I think ALE knew what happened to Natalee by 5/31/05.

I agree Klaas.  Beth and Jug were on the Island for just over 12 hours when Joran van der Sloot was interrogated.  Deepak and Satish's interrogations followed shortly and ... questions presented to them imply that Joran must have revealed the truth in his interrogation.

Janet

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KELLY: Let me throw one more thing in on that Greta: May 31, Joran was the first person interviewed by Jacobs when he's taking statements. Every police report subsequent to that, the statements made by Deepak, made by Satish, made by Beth that day, we have them all, there is no statement from Joran until June 9.
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« Reply #171 on: February 22, 2008, 12:25:50 AM »
Good Night Monkeys.

Janet
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« Reply #172 on: February 22, 2008, 12:30:03 AM »
Goodnight Janet! Do You ever wonder about any other tourist girls prior to Natalee that died in Aruba but there deaths were ruled Drownings.....maybe these girls were left on the beach to wakeup after the pimps got thru with them but somehow ended up in the water....just a thought
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« Reply #173 on: February 22, 2008, 12:34:26 AM »
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« Reply #174 on: February 22, 2008, 12:41:23 AM »
Quote from: hotping on February 22, 2008, 12:30:03 AM
Goodnight Janet! Do You ever wonder about any other tourist girls prior to Natalee that died in Aruba but there deaths were ruled Drownings.....maybe these girls were left on the beach to wakeup after the pimps got thru with them but somehow ended up in the water....just a thought

hotping ... I believe that the MO of Joran and the pimps was ... target a American tourist who was leaving the following day ... spike her drink with date rape durg ... take her unconscious to Joran's apartment ... gang rape her ... Freddie would be the camera man ... take her to the beach near her hotel to sleep it off.  When the girl eventually came around ... she would make her way back to her hotel with no memory of the happenings of the previous night ... pack her bags and ... catch the plan home.

Only ... this time something went terribly wrong.

IMO

Good Night Hotping ... this time I mean it.

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« Reply #175 on: February 22, 2008, 12:50:44 AM »
Quote from: Tamikosmom on February 22, 2008, 12:41:23 AM
Quote from: hotping on February 22, 2008, 12:30:03 AM
Goodnight Janet! Do You ever wonder about any other tourist girls prior to Natalee that died in Aruba but there deaths were ruled Drownings.....maybe these girls were left on the beach to wakeup after the pimps got thru with them but somehow ended up in the water....just a thought

hotping ... I believe that the MO of Joran and the pimps was ... target a American tourist who was leaving the following day ... spike her drink with date rape durg ... take her unconscious to Joran's apartment ... gang rape her ... Freddie would be the camera man ... take her to the beach near her hotel to sleep it off.  When the girl eventually came around ... she would make her way back to her hotel with no memory of the happenings of the previous night ... pack her bags and ... catch the plan home.

Only ... this time something went terribly wrong.

IMO

Good Night Hotping ... this time I mean it.

Janet
Thanks Janet! Goodnight!
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« Reply #176 on: February 22, 2008, 12:52:22 AM »
Quote from: Tamikosmom on February 22, 2008, 12:41:23 AM
Quote from: hotping on February 22, 2008, 12:30:03 AM
Goodnight Janet! Do You ever wonder about any other tourist girls prior to Natalee that died in Aruba but there deaths were ruled Drownings.....maybe these girls were left on the beach to wakeup after the pimps got thru with them but somehow ended up in the water....just a thought

hotping ... I believe that the MO of Joran and the pimps was ... target a American tourist who was leaving the following day ... spike her drink with date rape durg ... take her unconscious to Joran's apartment ... gang rape her ... Freddie would be the camera man ... take her to the beach near her hotel to sleep it off.  When the girl eventually came around ... she would make her way back to her hotel with no memory of the happenings of the previous night ... pack her bags and ... catch the plan home.

Only ... this time something went terribly wrong.

IMO

Good Night Hotping ... this time I mean it.

Janet

I agree Janet
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« Reply #177 on: February 22, 2008, 12:59:33 AM »
Quote from: Tamikosmom on February 22, 2008, 12:41:23 AM
Quote from: hotping on February 22, 2008, 12:30:03 AM
Goodnight Janet! Do You ever wonder about any other tourist girls prior to Natalee that died in Aruba but there deaths were ruled Drownings.....maybe these girls were left on the beach to wakeup after the pimps got thru with them but somehow ended up in the water....just a thought

hotping ... I believe that the MO of Joran and the pimps was ... target a American tourist who was leaving the following day ... spike her drink with date rape durg ... take her unconscious to Joran's apartment ... gang rape her ... Freddie would be the camera man ... take her to the beach near her hotel to sleep it off.  When the girl eventually came around ... she would make her way back to her hotel with no memory of the happenings of the previous night ... pack her bags and ... catch the plan home.

Only ... this time something went terribly wrong.

IMO

Good Night Hotping ... this time I mean it.

Janet
I agree that this is probably the pimps MO but what I'm saying is there is a possiblity that once they left one of these tourist girls on the beach to wakeup that instead of waking up and going back to her hotel and then home...she wound up in the water and drown and it was ruled drowning and Her family was never the wiser to what really happened to Her....I realize that this is not what happened in Natalee's case.... 
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« Reply #178 on: February 22, 2008, 01:05:08 AM »
Goodnight All!
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« Reply #179 on: February 22, 2008, 01:06:14 AM »
Nite Hotping
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