Lively Case Discussion #664 7/24 - 7/25/2007

[klaasend]

Lala's - did you see my post?  June 27, 2005

[SunFreak2]

Date of the quarry search?  Anyone? Please.

Which quarry, Lala's.

Canashito, Bubali Plas 7 Lighthouse all searched on 6/10

The Moko dump quarry was 6/24 the night after the St John's festival accordng to Simian.

Make that 6/11

[Mere]

If the story of Natalee shouting out of the window is true, I think she would have soon been able to realize that they were not taking her to the Holiday Inn....and I think she would have tried to get out of that car or tried to resist whatever Joran had in mind....perhaps scratching him and
infuriating him.

I have always wondered if she was drugged again in the car...not necessarily cocaine....remember, it is in the suspects interest that we
all begin believing that Natalee took cocaine and died accidently.  
Natalee died at the hands of another.

If Natalee had left C&Cs with another group, she would be alive today.

[SunFreak2]

Lala's - did you see my post?  June 27, 2005

Klaas is right.


June 27  – TES searches rock quarry with a positive hit by the cadaver dogs.

TES didn't arrive Aruba until 6/25.

[Lala'sMom]

Thanks Klaas.  I knew someone knew, as more often than not, KLASS ROCKS!!!

Sunfreak you must have a medical background, is that correct?

[2NJSons_Mom]

Lala's - did you see my post?  June 27, 2005

That was a Wednesday, right?

[SunFreak2]

Thanks Klaas.  I knew someone knew, as more often than not, KLASS ROCKS!!!

Sunfreak you must have a medical background, is that correct?

YES, MD, haven't practiced in almost 5 years though due to disabilities.

[klaasend]

Lala's - did you see my post?  June 27, 2005

That was a Wednesday, right?

June 27, 2005 was a Monday

[2NJSons_Mom]

Lala's - did you see my post?  June 27, 2005

That was a Wednesday, right?

June 27, 2005 was a Monday

duh...I was looking at a July calendar...

[klaasend]

Lala's - did you see my post?  June 27, 2005

That was a Wednesday, right?

June 27, 2005 was a Monday

[Katysmom]

Did anyone see Greta's blog yet today?

[2NJSons_Mom]

Lala's - did you see my post?  June 27, 2005

That was a Wednesday, right?

June 27, 2005 was a Monday

duh...I was looking at a July calendar...

I was looking at July because all of the articles I found in a search were dated 7/27/05

[Lala'sMom]

Lala's - did you see my post?  June 27, 2005

That was a Wednesday, right?

Hold on...I am headed somewhere here...

[Lala'sMom]

Thanks Klaas.  I knew someone knew, as more often than not, KLASS ROCKS!!!

Sunfreak you must have a medical background, is that correct?

YES, MD, haven't practiced in almost 5 years though due to disabilities.

Do you know what gave you away to me?

[Kimmy53]

If the story of Natalee shouting out of the window is true, I think she would have soon been able to realize that they were not taking her to the Holiday Inn....and I think she would have tried to get out of that car or tried to resist whatever Joran had in mind....perhaps scratching him and
infuriating him.

I have always wondered if she was drugged again in the car...not necessarily cocaine....remember, it is in the suspects interest that we
all begin believing that Natalee took cocaine and died accidently.  
Natalee died at the hands of another.

If Natalee had left C&Cs with another group, she would be alive today.

Memere - I have always thought at some point she came to enough to realize something was bad wrong and did fight back...I also think that was when Joran beat her, possibly strangled her.  I can see him as getting really mad and using his fists...thus the reason for Deepak's comment - "If they see that shit"

I am convinced that IF there was anyway in this world they could have made anyone believe she had OD'd they'd have done it 2 1/2 years ago.  They'd have no reason to dispose of her- panicked or not...It would have been simple to leave her on the beach, or somewhere else and said she was fine when we left her, an autopsy would have showed drugs, they could have said they saw her take something, it would ahve been said it was an accidental OD - case closed.  They would have been in no trouble at all....NO - there was a reason to dispose of the body.  If found it would have been OBVIOUS it wasn't a OD or accident.

[Lala'sMom]

Shango began posting (as far as I have evidence of Shango) the night before the quarry search.   Simian and Shango began their "tit fot tat" fight at this time.  It was undetectable at first, but it was there.  what happened that made Simian threaten to leave?  I have an idea.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 2:58 pm
The music man’s song was not on the bill.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
Simian, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….
Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
The last hope rests on the shoulders of the cowboys. Ten days, two down, eight to go.
The elder knows the passages in the palace too well. The Babylonians are afraid they might not be able to stop him.
Don’t shake the wire, ‘cause the bird will fy away.

54. Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
How can so many gamblers be wrong about the girl? This is unbelievable.
The Babylonians need to pinch the ravers. That will need to happen tomorrow.
The Simian is leaving.
Posted Jun 26, 11:37 PM |

[BlueKYGirl]

Memere - I have always thought at some point she came to enough to realize something was bad wrong and did fight back...I also think that was when Joran beat her, possibly strangled her.  I can see him as getting really mad and using his fists...thus the reason for Deepak's comment - "If they see that shit"

I am convinced that IF there was anyway in this world they could have made anyone believe she had OD'd they'd have done it 2 1/2 years ago.  They'd have no reason to dispose of her- panicked or not...It would have been simple to leave her on the beach, or somewhere else and said she was fine when we left her, an autopsy would have showed drugs, they could have said they saw her take something, it would ahve been said it was an accidental OD - case closed.  They would have been in no trouble at all....NO - there was a reason to dispose of the body.  If found it would have been OBVIOUS it wasn't a OD or accident.

That's right, and there certainly wouldn't have been a foundation for the charges of heavy battery and premeditated murder.

The source making claims of a cocaine overdose is clearly trying to distort and distract the known facts in this case.

[Mere]

Did anyone see Greta's blog yet today?

Yes....makes you realize that a normal day in a search for a missing person would have been handled by police...not by a reporter or photographer...and any "tip" received would have gone to police....who would have been anxious to get a tip.
The Holloway/Twittys were on their own.

IMHO

[BUCKSHOT]

is it fact or rumor that clothes of NH were found at LVR?

if fact, any proof to back it up?

if rumor, any source of the rumor?

clothes of NH at LVR house would certainly allow for further investigation into LVR's involvement.

i am still curious as to status of LVR and his detention status - seems quiet on the front, unlike J2K's detentions, extensions, etc..

[SunFreak2]

Thanks Klaas.  I knew someone knew, as more often than not, KLASS ROCKS!!!

Sunfreak you must have a medical background, is that correct?

YES, MD, haven't practiced in almost 5 years though due to disabilities.

Do you know what gave you away to me?

ETOH?