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Re: Lively Case Discussion #673 8/3 - 8/4/2007
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August 05, 2007, 07:05:40 PM »
Quote from: Buckeye on August 05, 2007, 06:59:00 PM
13th Jan VDS records casual conversation with arrested suspect and offers him time in a mental institution (?? because of the horrid condition Natalee was found to be??).
this is what van der Straten wrote:
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JORAN - JUNE 13TH 2005
Proces-verbaal findings
I, Jan van der STRATEN, police chief with the Aruban Police Corps, state the following.
On Monday June 13th 2005, at approximately 13.00 hours I spoke informally with the suspect Joran Andreas Petrus v/d SLOOT at the police station in Oranjestad.
On my question to Joran whether he can tell me what happened after the girl had fallen asleep on the beach near Fisherman's Hut, he answered:
“I called DEEPAK and he came with two dogs. I think he raped the girl and did something to her.”
To my question where the girl was buried then, he answered:
“I think that it was buried then next to the wall of the Fisherman's Hut, for the rest I would not know either.”
During the conversation Joran showed differing emotions. Sometimes he cried, sometimes he was direct in his answers.
Joran also indicated that he was very sorry for his family and that he had the best contact with his father.
When I asked him why did he lie to his father about the Holiday Inn, Joran answered that he had disappointed his father in/with that.
Of this I reported on my oath as officer on June 17th 2005.
J. van der STRATEN
I don't see anything regarding a mental institution.
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Re: Lively Case Discussion #673 8/3 - 8/4/2007
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Yes, IMO the arm/hand would likely fall apart at all those small joints or at least most of them without flesh holding. I know about tendons but that bone has obviously had alot of loss. I don't think there is any way to know more about that particular arm bone......
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Re: Lively Case Discussion #673 8/3 - 8/4/2007
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Quote from: Auntiem on August 05, 2007, 07:00:18 PM
Where did the terms heavy battery come from? I believe they were the charges against two of thw suspects arrested in Natalee's case. How did they know? Kidnapping, rape and heavy battery I believe were the exact charges. (?????)
Strange, just like they are now claiming Cocaine Overdose??????
No, I think, for the former, they indeed, ascertained rape and heavy battery!!!
IIRC Only Guido had the "heavy" battery charge.
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Quote from: SunFreak2 on August 05, 2007, 06:27:57 PM
Here's a link to many of the student quotes over at Scux.
http://scrux.com/natalee/studentquotes.htm
Thanks SF.
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Re: Lively Case Discussion #673 8/3 - 8/4/2007
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The Disinformation Squad has arrived!!!!!
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Re: Lively Case Discussion #673 8/3 - 8/4/2007
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Quote from: Rammstein on August 05, 2007, 07:05:40 PM
Quote from: Buckeye on August 05, 2007, 06:59:00 PM
13th Jan VDS records casual conversation with arrested suspect and offers him time in a mental institution (?? because of the horrid condition Natalee was found to be??).
this is what van der Straten wrote:
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JORAN - JUNE 13TH 2005
Proces-verbaal findings
I, Jan van der STRATEN, police chief with the Aruban Police Corps, state the following.
On Monday June 13th 2005, at approximately 13.00 hours I spoke informally with the suspect Joran Andreas Petrus v/d SLOOT at the police station in Oranjestad.
On my question to Joran whether he can tell me what happened after the girl had fallen asleep on the beach near Fisherman's Hut, he answered:
“I called DEEPAK and he came with two dogs. I think he raped the girl and did something to her.”
To my question where the girl was buried then, he answered:
“I think that it was buried then next to the wall of the Fisherman's Hut, for the rest I would not know either.”
During the conversation Joran showed differing emotions. Sometimes he cried, sometimes he was direct in his answers.
Joran also indicated that he was very sorry for his family and that he had the best contact with his father.
When I asked him why did he lie to his father about the Holiday Inn, Joran answered that he had disappointed his father in/with that.
Of this I reported on my oath as officer on June 17th 2005.
J. van der STRATEN
I don't see anything regarding a mental institution.
Ramm
- it's in Joran's book, Joran's words of what Jan van der Straten said to him. It may not have been written down.
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Re: Lively Case Discussion #673 8/3 - 8/4/2007
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Quote from: Buckeye on August 05, 2007, 06:28:29 PM
Arm bone
There is a theory related to body proportions (sorta like the foot and forearm thing). Phi is a relationship equal to 1.618. Various body proportions are based on this number. Studies using this info have found the forearm related to the forearm plus the hand to be in a proportion of 1.715. The picture, in the paper, if adding a little for the finger out of view, is proportioned to 1.7. I have no idea about monkey or donkey bone proportions. By relationship, the arm bone could be human. Wasn't there a plane wreck in Venz. at that time??
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2006/bodyproportions.shtml
Yes,at least that's what we heard at the time when they found the bone there.
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Re: Lively Case Discussion #673 8/3 - 8/4/2007
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Quote from: Auntiem on August 05, 2007, 07:07:39 PM
The Disinformation Squad has arrived!!!!!
what does that mean? I think everyone here is hoping for justice for Natalee.... we just all have different theories...
or do you mean that the disinformation team arrived around june 11th?
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Re: Lively Case Discussion #673 8/3 - 8/4/2007
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Quote from: Auntiem on August 05, 2007, 07:04:49 PM
Quote from: KarmaRoundUp on August 05, 2007, 07:02:10 PM
Quote from: Rammstein on August 05, 2007, 06:04:31 PM
Quote from: Auntiem on August 05, 2007, 06:02:26 PM
They found Natalee, don't you all remember? June of 2005. There was an announcement,and confirmation...we saw Beth's crumpling body as she got the most tragic news of her life!!!! But then, came the retraction! What happened???? The body was not "presentable".....too much DNA. It was "disappeared!!!!
I believe a lot of things but not this rumor. The wrong department/people told this. Remarks like this are the responsibility of the DA's office or
the police
, not by politicians or people from a ministry.
Didn't Dompig also announce this?
YES!!!!!! It was not a RUMOR!!!!!!
I don't remember him ever saying such a thing. Especially not as it was him that came with the anonymous witness that knew the location and it was him that got the specialized dog teams from the KLPD to come and look for her body. If he had already said she had been found then he would not have needed to do this and he would certainly have been asked by the media to explain why he was not looking for a body if he had already pronounced that she had been found?
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Re: Lively Case Discussion #673 8/3 - 8/4/2007
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August 05, 2007, 07:10:44 PM »
Quote from: Buckeye on August 05, 2007, 07:06:46 PM
Quote from: Auntiem on August 05, 2007, 07:00:18 PM
Where did the terms heavy battery come from? I believe they were the charges against two of thw suspects arrested in Natalee's case. How did they know? Kidnapping, rape and heavy battery I believe were the exact charges. (?????)
Strange, just like they are now claiming Cocaine Overdose??????
IIRC Only Guido had the "heavy" battery charge.
[/quote[
Against whom????? Who was his victim?????? Natalee!!!! Heavy BATTERY!!!!!!!
AND HOW WOULD THEY KNOW???????
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Re: Lively Case Discussion #673 8/3 - 8/4/2007
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Oy vey, anatomy 101!
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Re: Lively Case Discussion #673 8/3 - 8/4/2007
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Quote from: mrs. red on August 05, 2007, 07:09:11 PM
Quote from: Auntiem on August 05, 2007, 07:07:39 PM
The Disinformation Squad has arrived!!!!!
what does that mean? I think everyone here is hoping for justice for Natalee.... we just all have different theories...
or do you mean that the disinformation team arrived around june 11th?
I'd like to understand that one too MrsRed.
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Re: Lively Case Discussion #673 8/3 - 8/4/2007
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Chapter 11 of Joran's book from Scrux:
(snipped)
P. 156
Jacobs also says that he does not believe the Kalpoes, but believes Joran. "Since they are brothers, brothers stick together. They'll turn against you when it's in their benefit. what do you think is more important family or friends."
Joran became confused. He didn't know what happened to Natalee. He was in jail and was lying and now the Kalpoes are lying about him, so the only possibility is that they did something to the girl. Why would the Kalpoes speak badly about Joran when they said they did nothig bad to the girl.
Van der Straaten arrives and tells Joran that he "has known your father for years. I only want to help you. I am going to see to it that you can go to Holland, that you will not have to go to jail,
but that you will be committed to a mental institution
. You only have to tell the truth."
(snipped)
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Re: Lively Case Discussion #673 8/3 - 8/4/2007
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here is the arm of a monkey....for comparison
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Re: Lively Case Discussion #673 8/3 - 8/4/2007
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August 05, 2007, 07:14:24 PM »
Quote from: Rammstein on August 05, 2007, 07:05:40 PM
Quote from: Buckeye on August 05, 2007, 06:59:00 PM
13th Jan VDS records casual conversation with arrested suspect and offers him time in a mental institution (?? because of the horrid condition Natalee was found to be??).
this is what van der Straten wrote:
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JORAN - JUNE 13TH 2005
Proces-verbaal findings
I, Jan van der STRATEN, police chief with the Aruban Police Corps, state the following.
On Monday June 13th 2005, at approximately 13.00 hours I spoke informally with the suspect Joran Andreas Petrus v/d SLOOT at the police station in Oranjestad.
On my question to Joran whether he can tell me what happened after the girl had fallen asleep on the beach near Fisherman's Hut, he answered:
“I called DEEPAK and he came with two dogs. I think he raped the girl and did something to her.”
To my question where the girl was buried then, he answered:
“I think that it was buried then next to the wall of the Fisherman's Hut, for the rest I would not know either.”
During the conversation Joran showed differing emotions. Sometimes he cried, sometimes he was direct in his answers.
Joran also indicated that he was very sorry for his family and that he had the best contact with his father.
When I asked him why did he lie to his father about the Holiday Inn, Joran answered that he had disappointed his father in/with that.
Of this I reported on my oath as officer on June 17th 2005.
J. van der STRATEN
I don't see anything regarding a mental institution.
In Joran's words:
P. 156
Jacobs also says that he does not believe the Kalpoes, but believes Joran. "Since they are brothers, brothers stick together. They'll turn against you when it's in their benefit. what do you think is more important family or friends."
Joran became confused. He didn't know what happened to Natalee. He was in jail and was lying and now the Kalpoes are lying about him, so the only possibility is that they did something to the girl. Why would the Kalpoes speak badly about Joran when they said they did nothig bad to the girl.
Van der Straaten arrives and tells Joran that he "has known your father for years. I only want to help you. I am going to see to it that you can go to Holland, that you will not have to go to jail, but that you will be committed to a mental institution. You only have to tell the truth
."
http://www.scrux.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3065&highlight=mental#3065
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Re: Lively Case Discussion #673 8/3 - 8/4/2007
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Quote from: Carnut on August 05, 2007, 07:05:30 PM
Quote from: Auntiem on August 05, 2007, 07:03:31 PM
Who else could hide her body better from the polis THAN the polis!!!!
I'm pretty sure PVDS handled the body disposal.
Which time??
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Quote from: MsVada on August 05, 2007, 07:13:44 PM
here is the arm of a monkey....for comparison
Larger gap between radius and ulna, probably due to increased muscle mass/ weight bearing just a guess
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Re: Lively Case Discussion #673 8/3 - 8/4/2007
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Quote from: Auntiem on August 05, 2007, 07:04:49 PM
Quote from: KarmaRoundUp on August 05, 2007, 07:02:10 PM
Quote from: Rammstein on August 05, 2007, 06:04:31 PM
Quote from: Auntiem on August 05, 2007, 06:02:26 PM
They found Natalee, don't you all remember? June of 2005. There was an announcement,and confirmation...we saw Beth's crumpling body as she got the most tragic news of her life!!!! But then, came the retraction! What happened???? The body was not "presentable".....too much DNA. It was "disappeared!!!!
I believe a lot of things but not this rumor. The wrong department/people told this. Remarks like this are the responsibility of the DA's office or
the police
, not by politicians or people from a ministry.
Didn't Dompig also announce this?
YES!!!!!! It was not a RUMOR!!!!!!
Dompig was the one who said at that time that one of the suspects had said that something bad happened and the he was leading police to the scene, not that something had been discovered or that his words were actually true.
And seeing the lies and BS Dompig has been telling it may not be prudent to believe this man on his word (or any other official in this case
)
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Quote from: klaasend on August 05, 2007, 07:07:46 PM
Quote from: Rammstein on August 05, 2007, 07:05:40 PM
Quote from: Buckeye on August 05, 2007, 06:59:00 PM
13th Jan VDS records casual conversation with arrested suspect and offers him time in a mental institution (?? because of the horrid condition Natalee was found to be??).
this is what van der Straten wrote:
Quote
JORAN - JUNE 13TH 2005
Proces-verbaal findings
I, Jan van der STRATEN, police chief with the Aruban Police Corps, state the following.
On Monday June 13th 2005, at approximately 13.00 hours I spoke informally with the suspect Joran Andreas Petrus v/d SLOOT at the police station in Oranjestad.
On my question to Joran whether he can tell me what happened after the girl had fallen asleep on the beach near Fisherman's Hut, he answered:
“I called DEEPAK and he came with two dogs. I think he raped the girl and did something to her.”
To my question where the girl was buried then, he answered:
“I think that it was buried then next to the wall of the Fisherman's Hut, for the rest I would not know either.”
During the conversation Joran showed differing emotions. Sometimes he cried, sometimes he was direct in his answers.
Joran also indicated that he was very sorry for his family and that he had the best contact with his father.
When I asked him why did he lie to his father about the Holiday Inn, Joran answered that he had disappointed his father in/with that.
Of this I reported on my oath as officer on June 17th 2005.
J. van der STRATEN
I don't see anything regarding a mental institution.
Ramm
- it's in Joran's book, Joran's words of what Jan van der Straten said to him. It may not have been written down.
It was probably in the statement that was torn up on the desk.
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Ramm
What if the announcement was made (they were happy)....but then....they got a good look at her....and she didn't look like she had wondered off from the beach. What if they decided that
night
...or the big boss (whoever that may be) decided it was better to have no body than to have that body??
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===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
=> Chit Chat
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