Natalee Case Discussion #835 6/6/10 - 6/8/10

[Ono]

Goodnight, All.  Dana, great show as always.  Good seeing so many long lost monkeys back in the cage tonight.  Kudos, Red, for a job well done.  Waving good bye to Klaas.

Goodnight Tyler!

[Magnolia]

CBS/42 Birmingham had Jossy on by phone.

Jossy said that Aruba had enough evidence to prosecute but failed to do so.
Two new searches are planned.  One at the bird sanctuary and one at the Monserrat Pond.
He said that Deepak and Satish should be very worried.  Talk is that Joran will bargin for
a better prison in Peru by giving up information on the Holloway case.

Then Jug was on and said that he was sure that Deepak knew what happened.
He was not sure about Satish.

Another thing that Jossy said is that some in Aruba are scared and beginning to open
their eyes.....something they refused to do before.

[SteveDinMD]

Here's hoping they at least showed him the jumper cables today!

:monkeydance:

     Frankly, I don't think they'll do that.  This is the biggest international criminal case to ever hit Peru.  The World is watching.  That being the case, Joran will enjoy the absolute best that Peruvian justice has to offer.  Once convicted, imprisoned, and out of sight, though, he'll be subject to whatever rough justice may await him. 

[MisGivings]

Do some of you remember the donkey in the dumpster?  :--( 

http://www.gambling911.com/poker/%E2%80%9Claw-donkey%E2%80%9D-could-be-applied-joran-van-der-sloot-060610.html
“Law Of The Donkey” Could be Applied to Joran van der Sloot
June 6, 2010


Joran van der Sloot, accused of killing a young Peruvian woman and who has long been the lead suspect in the disappearance of Natalie Holloway back in 2005, could be facing some severe jail time if convicted in the slaying of Stephany Flores Ramirez in his Lima hotel room.

"Severe" may be an understatement.  The prisons in Peru are known to be among the most brutal in the world.

Here is one account of what happens to prisoners such as child molesters:

A neighbor of Cieneguilla suffered the worst shock which could have happened. His daughter, only two years old, was raped by a drug addict and drunk who during a party at the neighbor's house went to her room and raped her. The unfortunate was saved from being lynched by the locals, but it was reported and he went to Lurigancho. The case, incredibly, didn't appeared in the papers, and the rapist entered in prison with nobody knewing he was. The mother, hurt, because her daughter was unable to talk permanently because of the experience, went to Lurigancho and knelt before a 'daddy' ( which is like one of the bosses among the convicts). 'I want justice, no matter the price. " 'Do not kill him, make him suffer as he did to my daughter. " The lady gave, weekly, money hidden in fruit. For seven months, the damn was massacred and raped with sticks, iron bars and pepper that they put him in the rectum. Although the lady said not to kill him and only make him suffer just a night that had consumed a lot of weed and liquor, the daddy's assasins ran his hand and did it.

Joran could face the same fate.  He is, without any doubt, the most hated person in Peru right now.  The victim's father is a prominent Peruvian businessman and one time candidate for the Vice Presidency of that country.

The van der Sloot matter has attracted the attention of poker players and industry media like Gambling911.com because the young Dutchman was in Peru to watch the Latin American Poker Tour.  He is also known to play poker online.

One Peruvian poker player defined "The Law of the Donkey" and believes it will be applied to van der Sloot should he ultimately be sentenced.

"The law of the donkey is basically about getting raped by a lot of prisoners during a lot of nights," the individual relayed.

Jagajeet Chiba, Gambling911.com

Comments
Karma
Karma...it is a bitch!!! but thank GOD there is a universal LAW!!! What goes around comes around! What a idiot that fool Joran is!! In the Ass and I hope soon! I watched the video clip of him taking the keys to the hotel room and he has a look of.... I am going to KILL HER!!! He was smiling!!!!
Submitted by Guest on Sun, 06/06/2010 - 22:39.

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Where does the donkey come
Where does the donkey come in?
Submitted by Guest on Sun, 06/06/2010 - 21:22.

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Something Lost in the Translation
"Donkey" I suspect should have been translated into "Ass", as in getting sodomized. Still, "Law of the Donkey" has a nice ring to it.
Submitted by Guest on Sun, 06/06/2010 - 21:14.

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Well, I don't have much, but would be willing to give money to support the 'Law Of The Donkey'.
Should we start a fund to donate for such?
Do we know any Peruvians that would be willing to take fruit in?

[San]

CBS/42 Birmingham had Jossy on by phone.

Jossy said that Aruba had enough evidence to prosecute but failed to do so.
Two new searches are planned.  One at the bird sanctuary and one at the Monserrat Pond.
He said that Deepak and Satish should be very worried.  Talk is that Joran will bargin for
a better prison in Peru by giving up information on the Holloway case.

Then Jug was on and said that he was sure that Deepak knew what happened.
He was not sure about Satish.

If I were Deepak and Satish I would throw Joran under the bus right now and tell everything they know.  Blame him and Paulus for everything.

[SteveDinMD]

CBS/42 Birmingham had Jossy on by phone.

Jossy said that Aruba had enough evidence to prosecute but failed to do so.
Two new searches are planned.  One at the bird sanctuary and one at the Monserrat Pond.
He said that Deepak and Satish should be very worried.  Talk is that Joran will bargin for
a better prison in Peru by giving up information on the Holloway case.

Then Jug was on and said that he was sure that Deepak knew what happened.
He was not sure about Satish.

Another thing that Jossy said is that some in Aruba are scared and beginning to open
their eyes.....something they refused to do before.

     They SHOULD be frighteded.  Police, prosecutors, and various accomplices to the crime and/or cover-up need to be brought to justice. 

[MisGivings]

CBS/42 Birmingham had Jossy on by phone.

Jossy said that Aruba had enough evidence to prosecute but failed to do so.
Two new searches are planned.  One at the bird sanctuary and one at the Monserrat Pond.
He said that Deepak and Satish should be very worried.  Talk is that Joran will bargin for
a better prison in Peru by giving up information on the Holloway case.

Then Jug was on and said that he was sure that Deepak knew what happened.
He was not sure about Satish.

Another thing that Jossy said is that some in Aruba are scared and beginning to open
their eyes.....something they refused to do before.

     They SHOULD be frighteded.  Police, prosecutors, and various accomplices to the crime and/or cover-up need to be brought to justice. 

Is the house of cards ready to crumble?

[SteveDinMD]

CBS/42 Birmingham had Jossy on by phone.

Jossy said that Aruba had enough evidence to prosecute but failed to do so.
Two new searches are planned.  One at the bird sanctuary and one at the Monserrat Pond.
He said that Deepak and Satish should be very worried.  Talk is that Joran will bargin for
a better prison in Peru by giving up information on the Holloway case.

Then Jug was on and said that he was sure that Deepak knew what happened.
He was not sure about Satish.

If I were Deepak and Satish I would throw Joran under the bus right now and tell everything they know.  Blame him and Paulus for everything.

     They won't -- at least not yet.  It's not in their interest to do that right now.  Not currently charged with any crime, opening their mouths can only invite trouble.  If they were facing serious criminal prosecution, however, it would be a different story. 

[Magnolia]

CBS/42 Birmingham had Jossy on by phone.

Jossy said that Aruba had enough evidence to prosecute but failed to do so.
Two new searches are planned.  One at the bird sanctuary and one at the Monserrat Pond.
He said that Deepak and Satish should be very worried.  Talk is that Joran will bargin for
a better prison in Peru by giving up information on the Holloway case.

Then Jug was on and said that he was sure that Deepak knew what happened.
He was not sure about Satish.

If I were Deepak and Satish I would throw Joran under the bus right now and tell everything they know.  Blame him and Paulus for everything.

What have they got to loose?  I think it is a matter of telling before he does.  They are never
going to get a dime out of Dr. Phil.   They, also, are toast.

[SteveDinMD]

CBS/42 Birmingham had Jossy on by phone.

Jossy said that Aruba had enough evidence to prosecute but failed to do so.
Two new searches are planned.  One at the bird sanctuary and one at the Monserrat Pond.
He said that Deepak and Satish should be very worried.  Talk is that Joran will bargin for
a better prison in Peru by giving up information on the Holloway case.

Then Jug was on and said that he was sure that Deepak knew what happened.
He was not sure about Satish.

Another thing that Jossy said is that some in Aruba are scared and beginning to open
their eyes.....something they refused to do before.

     They SHOULD be frighteded.  Police, prosecutors, and various accomplices to the crime and/or cover-up need to be brought to justice. 

Is the house of cards ready to crumble?

     It COULD be.  That would depend on how committed the new Aruban authorities are to cleaning up all the corruption.  This could be their golden opportunity. 

[Ono]

CBS/42 Birmingham had Jossy on by phone.

Jossy said that Aruba had enough evidence to prosecute but failed to do so.
Two new searches are planned.  One at the bird sanctuary and one at the Monserrat Pond.
He said that Deepak and Satish should be very worried.  Talk is that Joran will bargin for
a better prison in Peru by giving up information on the Holloway case.

Then Jug was on and said that he was sure that Deepak knew what happened.
He was not sure about Satish.

Another thing that Jossy said is that some in Aruba are scared and beginning to open
their eyes.....something they refused to do before.

     They SHOULD be frighteded.  Police, prosecutors, and various accomplices to the crime and/or cover-up need to be brought to justice. 

It's a whole boatload of folks.

[San]

CBS/42 Birmingham had Jossy on by phone.

Jossy said that Aruba had enough evidence to prosecute but failed to do so.
Two new searches are planned.  One at the bird sanctuary and one at the Monserrat Pond.
He said that Deepak and Satish should be very worried.  Talk is that Joran will bargin for
a better prison in Peru by giving up information on the Holloway case.

Then Jug was on and said that he was sure that Deepak knew what happened.
He was not sure about Satish.

If I were Deepak and Satish I would throw Joran under the bus right now and tell everything they know.  Blame him and Paulus for everything.

     They won't -- at least not yet.  It's not in their interest to do that right now.  Not currently charged with any crime, opening their mouths can only invite trouble.  If they were facing serious criminal prosecution, however, it would be a different story. 

This is true.

[texasmom]

CBS/42 Birmingham had Jossy on by phone.

Jossy said that Aruba had enough evidence to prosecute but failed to do so.
Two new searches are planned.  One at the bird sanctuary and one at the Monserrat Pond.
He said that Deepak and Satish should be very worried.  Talk is that Joran will bargin for
a better prison in Peru by giving up information on the Holloway case.

Then Jug was on and said that he was sure that Deepak knew what happened.
He was not sure about Satish.

Another thing that Jossy said is that some in Aruba are scared and beginning to open
their eyes.....something they refused to do before.

     They SHOULD be frighteded.  Police, prosecutors, and various accomplices to the crime and/or cover-up need to be brought to justice. 

Is the house of cards ready to crumble?

     It COULD be.  That would depend on how committed the new Aruban authorities are to cleaning up all the corruption.  This could be their golden opportunity. 

When you consider the FACT that Jan Van der Straaten has been appointed to not one, but TWO government positions since the new Aruban authorities have taken office; it doesn't seem to me they're very concerned with cleaning up the corruption.

JMO

[Ono]

CBS/42 Birmingham had Jossy on by phone.

Jossy said that Aruba had enough evidence to prosecute but failed to do so.
Two new searches are planned.  One at the bird sanctuary and one at the Monserrat Pond.
He said that Deepak and Satish should be very worried.  Talk is that Joran will bargin for
a better prison in Peru by giving up information on the Holloway case.

Then Jug was on and said that he was sure that Deepak knew what happened.
He was not sure about Satish.

If I were Deepak and Satish I would throw Joran under the bus right now and tell everything they know.  Blame him and Paulus for everything.

What have they got to loose?  I think it is a matter of telling before he does.  They are never
going to get a dime out of Dr. Phil.   They, also, are toast.

I honestly don't think they have the sense to come in out of the rain.  The train of Fate is gonna run right over them I think.

[SteveDinMD]

CBS/42 Birmingham had Jossy on by phone.

Jossy said that Aruba had enough evidence to prosecute but failed to do so.
Two new searches are planned.  One at the bird sanctuary and one at the Monserrat Pond.
He said that Deepak and Satish should be very worried.  Talk is that Joran will bargin for
a better prison in Peru by giving up information on the Holloway case.

Then Jug was on and said that he was sure that Deepak knew what happened.
He was not sure about Satish.

Another thing that Jossy said is that some in Aruba are scared and beginning to open
their eyes.....something they refused to do before.

     They SHOULD be frighteded.  Police, prosecutors, and various accomplices to the crime and/or cover-up need to be brought to justice. 

Is the house of cards ready to crumble?

     It COULD be.  That would depend on how committed the new Aruban authorities are to cleaning up all the corruption.  This could be their golden opportunity. 

When you consider the FACT that Jan Van der Straaten has been appointed to not one, but TWO government positions since the new Aruban authorities have taken office; it doesn't seem to me they're very concerned with cleaning up the corruption.

JMO

     I was unaware of this.  Given recent events in Peru, however, perhaps Van der Straaten has become an embarassment they'd rather dispense with. 

[Magnolia]

CBS/42 Birmingham had Jossy on by phone.

Jossy said that Aruba had enough evidence to prosecute but failed to do so.
Two new searches are planned.  One at the bird sanctuary and one at the Monserrat Pond.
He said that Deepak and Satish should be very worried.  Talk is that Joran will bargin for
a better prison in Peru by giving up information on the Holloway case.

Then Jug was on and said that he was sure that Deepak knew what happened.
He was not sure about Satish.

Another thing that Jossy said is that some in Aruba are scared and beginning to open
their eyes.....something they refused to do before.

     They SHOULD be frighteded.  Police, prosecutors, and various accomplices to the crime and/or cover-up need to be brought to justice. 

Is the house of cards ready to crumble?

     It COULD be.  That would depend on how committed the new Aruban authorities are to cleaning up all the corruption.  This could be their golden opportunity. 

When you consider the FACT that Jan Van der Straaten has been appointed to not one, but TWO government positions since the new Aruban authorities have taken office; it doesn't seem to me they're very concerned with cleaning up the corruption.

JMO

Mike Eman and company saw no need to clean up.  They were content to just go with the flow and
let the talk die down until all of the new developments.  Maybe Van der Stratten should be replaced.

[TURBOTHINK]

Geraldo just said that when Joran left the hotel he did not ask the front desk for his passport and left it there.  If he would have asked for his passport the hotel would have known he was leaving and would have gone to the room to clean it.

Why would you need to leave your passport at the front desk?  I've never heard of that. Doesn't make sense.

Maybe he asked them to lock it in their safe.

From the many articles I've read...in Aruba a lot of tourists lose their passports when their bags are taken by robbers, or their rooms are robbed.  It's probably not a bad idea at all to have it locked up in a safe somewhere, just in case you're robbed.

They stated his passport was kept until he was checking out and the room was clean, etc.......it was not a luxury hotel and in light of the extensive video cams, they must have their fair share of skip-out's and damages to rooms. In that regard retaining passports makes sense.

Ah, ok.  Back in my traveling days I've never had them keep a passport but I've also never stayed in a place like a hostil (sp)

When we were in Italy in April a gypsy woman tried to heist the passport of a friend who was with us on the trip as we walked . BAD MISTAKE...............this was attempted right next to someone who just returned from Iraq and full time military on leave............Can you say broken hand?

[texasmom]

And so much for "transparency" too!

They supposedly conduct an investigation into Jan Van der Straaten's role in the first 10 days of the Natalee Holloway investigation, claim that the investigation is complete, but never reveal any results?

[San]

Hello Greta this is Deepak. Boy do I have a story for you.

[Ono]

CBS/42 Birmingham had Jossy on by phone.

Jossy said that Aruba had enough evidence to prosecute but failed to do so.
Two new searches are planned.  One at the bird sanctuary and one at the Monserrat Pond.
He said that Deepak and Satish should be very worried.  Talk is that Joran will bargin for
a better prison in Peru by giving up information on the Holloway case.

Then Jug was on and said that he was sure that Deepak knew what happened.
He was not sure about Satish.

Another thing that Jossy said is that some in Aruba are scared and beginning to open
their eyes.....something they refused to do before.

     They SHOULD be frighteded.  Police, prosecutors, and various accomplices to the crime and/or cover-up need to be brought to justice. 

Is the house of cards ready to crumble?

     It COULD be.  That would depend on how committed the new Aruban authorities are to cleaning up all the corruption.  This could be their golden opportunity. 

When you consider the FACT that Jan Van der Straaten has been appointed to not one, but TWO government positions since the new Aruban authorities have taken office; it doesn't seem to me they're very concerned with cleaning up the corruption.

JMO

I don't think so either, and besides, that would mean admitting to the world that the 'cowboys' were right.