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 ::MonkeyDance:: Just wanted to be 1st one time.....I sneaked in!

Can someone post a map from Greg home to Rons.... ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://bestsmileys.com/happy/5.gif)  A clean cage!!  (http://bestsmileys.com/happy/5.gif)

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Yay   new page.   new news.........yay

Thanks for the nice, clean cage!  (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/monkey%20avatars/swingingmonkey.gif)

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no fair!

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yall have seen Misties Mothers interview right!!

*raises hand*   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yepper- I told my kids thats what drugs does to ya...JMO ::MonkeyTongue::

So this is some crap and it stinks bad Why would he marry her crazy I would have booted her as soon as I found out she was with another guy its crazy, I still don't think she did anything to Haleigh but I do know believe she wasn't home watching the kids she left them alone for all the sex offenders to lay claim to them.
I don not think however that lil Jr needs to go to his Bio mom cause she didn't fight for them in the first place. Someone needs to get him but not Ron Nor Chrystal.

Is it a new one HH?

In reply to what I said in the other topic about getting drunk, you cannot look for your child 24/7, and people do weird things when under stress.

When my son was very little he was bitten by a dog.  His pediatrician bandaged his face so I could take him to the emergency room.  On the way out, I stopped and asked if I owed them any money, they were like, don't worry about it, just go to the hospital now.

If my son had been missing when he was 5, by the time he was missing for 6 weeks I would have been doing all I could to find him, and I could see doing something like going out and getting drunk (which was just one example) or some other wacked out thing just because of all the stress.  I think I would be a basket case after 6 weeks.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/SatsumaPalatka.jpg)

I see your point, but how do you know a foster home would not be even worse?  I have heard horror stories about that too.  Who is responsible enough in either of those families to take the child?

Personally, I feel that Jr. ought to removed from the presence of everyone on both sides of that family... until the entire situation is investigated and resolved. 

Some may say, 'oh my gosh, how cruel is that?'  to which I would say.. 'how cruel is leaving him in an environment that has become such a mess, folks playing tug-of-war with him, how confused that lil one must be!'  He's been thru a traumatic event, IMO.  And am hoping that the authorities won't allow him to be traumatized further.

All IMO..

 ::MonkeyDance::

I am so happy to see the transcript I typed up being in use everywhere, it seems like it is helping alot.

I am tickled to death that some rumors about the three day bender were true, and speculation that was here came true. So we all might be hitting more closer to home than we first thought! Nice to know that it was true about white boy greg!

If this hasn't been posted, this is his website for sure: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=204816204

Also, you know what's REALLY screwed up...

The guy she was messing around with is TWENTY EIGHT FRICKEN YEARS OLD and was messing around with a 16 year old! If that ain't some sick stuff.

Not saying a foster just think Chrystal seemed to have not fought for her kids before this happened, I don't know either family but she stated that Ron beat her during the time she lived there and I be darn if I would leave my 2 babies with him if this were true I would have to have been placed in jail or dead to have left them there with him for all that time with out a fight I think she only doing it know for the attention she is getting.

Klass.... According to the map where Greg lives it appears to me he lived close to where Ron works.. ::MonkeyTongue::

Yes I think we posted that myspace yesterday or the day before.  It's him.

That is the same impression I get of her, but the whole crew is so messed up, who is safe to put the child with?  I feel sorry for Ron Jr. and Haleigh (if she is still with us).

Interresting.  I really hadn't paid much attention to where Ron works.  Been busy with stuff.

What about the sister in laws house the one the blue van is at, is it close enough for Misty to walk too maybe she went over there and met him or something, and she the one that hurried to park the van back where it was after she used it maybe thats why Ron left her with no ride maybe she took Haleaigh with her and something happened they dumped her and she hurried home and staged the scene?

sorry about the double post, in between working 12 hour days then squeezing in girl scout meetings has left me lack of time to catch up. =)

Those 2 children were exposed to the worst of the worst:  Sex, Lies, Drugs, Pedophiles you name it. Not a good environment for any child.  Ron was a fool to leave his children with Misty after a 3 day bender on drugs.  How could he?  The whole lot of them are sick, depraved.  JMO

OK-I am going to do some researched.. I heard only specualtion that their was alot of drugs deals with the guys where Ron worked.. Only specualtion.. Now I was wondering if thats how Misty met Greg through Ron..Only speculation.. ::MonkeyTongue::

Someone just posted this link on the front page of SM - appears to be a link to one of Misty's photo/image sites:

http://imikimi.com/croslin

It sure seems like nobody cares about this sort of thing, almost like it is normal  ::MonkeyEek::

No excuse for this, and especially living the kids with her that night after a three day bender. He could have left them with his mom or grandma.

You did an awesome job with that, Scuter!  Your hard work is much appreciated!   ::MonkeyDance::

After the polygraph of Greg's...LE needs to haul Ron and Misty's azzes to jail. They can at least charge them with neglect and child endangerment. Geesh, in my book leaving them with Misty after a 3 day bender is child abuse.

And thanks for the myspace thread, Klaas!   ::MonkeyDance::

 

My god was she pregnant before????

http://imikimi.com/main/view_kimi/6ne4-10n

so cobra words does mean thing everybody seems not to know if they should believe him

No, I believe that is someone elses (probably a relative) who's baby pics Misty has embelished  with the Kimi web tools.

I know I often type in a hurry and miss important words.  Could you read your post above and rewrite it cause I don't have a clue what you just said, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

omg i am so tried lol babysitting 3 one years olds and a 2 year old does that.LoL i was saying alot of people was saying cobra was a fake but i guess he is not one cause he was the one that report this first

Oh whew, I just didn't recognize that name anywhere from the relatives. Just worried me, since she would have been 14-15 15 months ago.

starcat, have you been hanging around a poster named mytime?    ::MonkeyHaHa::

Not sure what you mean ?   

Gotcha  ::MonkeyWink::

I don't think Cobra is fake at all, I think he's the "real deal".

She certainly has a high opinion of herself, no self-esteem problems there.    ;-)

looking  at those pictures really shows just what a kid Mistie really is,  I know some of them was taken months ago, but still just a kid acting like an kid and not ready to be a full time Mom and babysitter, now with this news from Greg's poly and Mistie actually admitting to doing the drugs and being gone for those three days doing Lord only knows what, I hope LE is getting ready to lower the boom on her happy butt................and I bet Chrystal is ready to open a can of whoopa$$ on her!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   whatever could you mean, BG?   ::MonkeyHaHa::

MWAHAHAHAHA!!  she's a riot, that one! 

15 months ago she was "always and forever" with him....


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ITA Klaas!  And thank the Lord he has no toothpick!   ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::    Wyks, here's hoping MT doesn't see my post -- I'll hear it for days !!

starcat, hope you know I was only kidding you. 

BG

Boy, wonder how long Rons got before she aint In Love with him anymore.........lol

Very true BG, and yet.. that's part of MT's charm.   ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyWaa::


lol no i messed it all up it is fine just tired

I hope I did this right.. It takes 14 minutes from Ron's work to Greg home..Maybe less  depends how far Greg's home is without using an numeral for Magnolia.. Numeral sounds familiar.. ::MonkeyWink::

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=29.721711~-81.61468&style=h&lvl=12&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&rtp=pos.29.689387737036_-81.6561204709855_224%20Comfort%20Rd%2C%20Palatka%2C%20FL%2032177__~pos.29.7538579420492_-81.5653880131213_Magnolia%20Ave%2C%20Palatka%2C%20FL%2032177__&rtop=0~0~0&encType=1

Ok my one brain cell is trying to piece some things together. I don't think Misty would have driven the van to Greg's house...to far away and better chance of getting caught without a license or Ron driving by. So that makes me think he came to the house supposedly after the kids went to bed. Maybe Haleigh woke up and caught them .Misty could have hurt her to keep her from telling Ron. Jr. was aroused from sleep and heard the couch bouncing and squeaking . Or another scenario...Ron and Misty got into a fight before he went to work and maybe Haleigh got hurt then and maybe died later on Misty's watch. Head injuries sometime do not show up for hours. This is just so dang confusing.

Just found this on my old stomping grounds... ::MonkeyTongue::

justwhatithought wrote:
WB Greg got this from Scared Monkeys
GLP...
893.147-1 POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA M $11,004.00
893.13-7a5 MAINTAINING A DRUG DWELLING M $11,004.00
893.13-1a POSSESS EXSTACY (SCHEDULE II) WITH INTENT SELL DELIVER F $11,004.00
901.31 FTA / DWLSR M 1 $1,504.00
893.13-6a POSSESSION OF ECSTACY F $11,004.00
893.13-6a POSSESSION OF COCAINE F $11,004.00
893.13-1c1 POSS OF COCAINE W/INTENT TO SELL/DELIVER W/IN 1000 FT SCHOOL F $11,004.00
$67,528.00
And, he is out on the streets? I don't know how.
Wow. What's the full name so I can look him up on DOC. Thanks.

I just keep hoping, that I am going to find a post or a comment in an interview that just answers my questions.. 

Who outside of that immediate family of 4, actually saw Little Haleigh that day?
Did she go to school that day? 
Did the Grandmother see her that evening?
What time was Grandma really there.

Misty keeps running on the same basic course, her Mother repeating the same basic path repeating Misty..

So, now we have: Crystal - Mom of Haleigh and little Ron
                          Amber - Mom of the new baby boy
                          Misty  - ??????

All very young girls - not women. Crystal was 14 living with Ron who was age 19, Amber does not appear to be much older that Misty in her photo, and we have Misty actually 16 when she moved in with Ron.  It rather appears he prefers young girls rather than women.  This disturbs me greatly.  It is a pattern or a preference he has established.

Has there been any interviews with Amber?  I am sure she could add a bit of clarity. And hopefully maintains custody of her child with Ron.  I believe Ron's Attorney's need to roll up their shirt Sleeves and get ready to work, may have bite off more than they were prepared for.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I believe it is Gregory Lewis Page Jr.

I agree Darla, but the one thing is that I dont think WBGreg was around Mistie on the night in question, Im sure that would have been one of the things LE most certainly asked him, and since he has been cleared, I think he told everything he knew and if he was anywhere around that house that night, no way he would be cleared right now!!!!!!......Maybe Mistie has someone else that she gets drugs from, I dont know, but Im sure Greg wasnty the only one she knew who had them!!

lol I Know.. I posted it Saturday Night.. ::MonkeyTongue::
They borrow our info.. ::MonkeyTongue::

Gotcha.  Need sleep, obviously. ::MonkeyConfused::

Where have you been? ::MonkeyTongue::

Amber has spoken with Chrstals lawyer I think and also said tha Ronald was abusive and gave her drugs too.

I was kidless all March break, so I wasn't home much all last week.

Well now isn't that something.  Where did you hear this HH?  Did you get back to Satusuma?

Isn't Crystal only a year younger than Ron?

Hmmmm??? I wonder ... did she take Haleigh with her somewhere, and did Haleigh get into some drugs or did something else happen? 

Was that why 'they' had the blanket in the van?

Just thinking out loud ...

Looks like I missed all kinds of stuff this past week.  Hopefully something is found out soon.

Do you know if they're still doing searches, HH?

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=733516&IMG=50022

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/03/23/haleigh-cummings-case-exclusive-misty-on-3-day-bender-with-lover-and-drugs/#more-675

Hi Klass.. I was lurking on my old stomping ground- another site and they posted our info from Saturday night on their site... Regarding Greg Lewis  Page.. ::MonkeyTongue::

As far as I know, not right now........but I have an idea and me and my friend is going to Satsuma and we are gonna search a few places, Im also gonna go see the Haleigh Bug fondation!

Excellent.  Be careful.  And don't drink the water.  ::MonkeyEek::

I hear ya, nope gonna bring my own!

here is the video where Crystals lawyer states the abuse such as the children being thrown down the stairs (4:14 - 4:21)and that previous girl friend of MoRons told them of abuse

http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/03/20/nancy-grace-interviews-crystal-sheffield-and-kim-picazio-about-ronalds-abuse/

Wish I could go with you HH.I have a couple of ideas too.

come on we can carpool and maybe run into Mistie while we are there, lol

Just received this from Island Monkey!!!!!

Thanks Darla~actually I need prayers in a huge way right now ASAP...She is having frequent contractions, he is thru the cervix to his hips now (still in the bag), but they think she may be getting an infection because her fever is rising, so they have set up for a possible delivery and the neonatologist is here waiting just as a precaution, but to further complicate things, he is coming feet first and if he's not delivered quickly enough, the cord will be compressed and his oxygen flow could be cut off, or his head could get stuck......prayers please~we need them bad

There might not be enough information out there on WBG  to ask this question...but does anyone know if he has a brother?

OMG,   I will pray more than ever, I so hope this baby survives, this is terrible, everybody please pray for this baby now!

Praying for your family, IM. Keep the faith

I completely agree

But do you not think he will be traumatized by being taken away from everybody he knows and being put in the care of strangers, I think that would be cruel under these circumstances, surely there is some family member that lives somewhere else that can be trusted to keep him until there is something done about all, this!

Thanks for the link, Jules.  I didn't catch the part about the previous girlfriend.  Will watch it again tomorrow.

::MonkeyNoNo:: Will keep this baby and his Mommy in my thoughts.

Well, she says she has tried to get them back but what does it matter?  She has not lost one of them, nor left them in the care of someone who did.  She has admitted to her past drug use but has tried to clean up her act.  Why not let her try?  I don't think she didn't want them, she just felt powerless against Ron and probably his family too. 

It looks like he has a sister, and a son...from his mother's myspace.

For me: I am a risk asessment person.
If there is a milli-chance these people are using, or he is potential imminent danger as a result,  I  dont want him with as a family member. He comes first.

Other than that scenario, I of course would want a competent family member. Emphasis on competent
 

I just looked at it again I heard it when I watched the show when it aired but I think that this video was cut off.....sorry I am sure there is another one somewhere with the whole show will have to look.

Will continue praying for you and your family IM!!

I think when you say she's doing it for attention, you are really being cruel, IMO.  She obviously loved her child, and is doing what she thinks she needs to do.  If she is fighting for custody of JR because she now knows what was really going on in that house, I applaud her.  It may be too late for Haleigh (sadly) but there's still a chance she can save her son from a similar fate.

I'd be questioning her love for them if she WASN'T trying for custody.  If it were me, I'd want to rush in and take him far away until Haleigh was found and the truth discovered.  JMO

 
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This sums it all up, doesn't it?  Whether Ron knows what happened, or had a hand in it, Haleigh's fate was determined by his complete lack of judgment.  I think he saddled her with the kids because he thought it might keep her home. 

G'Night Monkeys.

My guess is that the paternal grandparents took care of the kids more than Ron and any girlfriends he had did. 

Am praying for IM's Daughter and Grand baby. Good night Monkeys.

Night Sieko!

I know some of you monkeys have seen this but for those who havent it is interesting givin the timeline and NG saying CS didnt try to do anything about trying to get her children back...

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

 ::MonkeyNoNo::    We don't know why she didn't take the children & run for the hills like some of us would have, but we do know she did try - unsuccessfully - to bring Ronald's actions to the attention of DCF a number of times and also entered documents with the court about Ronald's drug use, abuse, etc. , all along through the years.  She's NOT just doing this now for the attention she's getting.

Thanks, Jules. 

Haydensguardian -- please read this court petition.

ITA, he should be in a calm setting that doesnt keep pinning him between feuding f' ups on both sides as well as away from elements not in the best welfare of children.   He's been traumatized by this event inandof itself & it doesnt seem he is getting the proper professional counseling for that alone much less anything else he's been exposed to.   Not to mention it could push the truth to come forward if neither biological parent has much contact with Jr minus supervised visitation.  I haven't outruled anyone in this case, but the more this case goes on it seems more likely that whatever happened to Haleigh has something to do with the inner circle of these families, with the main focus on Misty.   Geez Louise is there anyone in Satsuma without a rap sheet and/or drug allegations, what a dark spot on the map!

I also think at some point there should be a guardian ad litem appointed to the children that will represent their best interests solely, with much regret & heartache I'm not too hopeful Haleigh will be found alive and well.

I did find Kim Picazio's shift of focus & tone interesting tonight on NG.  NG asked her what the status was of her working on getting Crystal custody of Jr & Kim diverted saying their focus is on finding Haleigh  & she has PI's on the ground because "people may not trust the police" - that is a quite a switch from last week with her speaking to every media outlet they could to make their very descriptive & serious abuse allegations....dont get me wrong the focus should have always been on finding Haleigh & I'm not saying they weren't focusing on that previously but looking at this case with an open mind I couldnt help but notice the subject matter to the media changed.

Morning Capp...Now that is the best suggestion I have heard in quite some time. To have a guardian ad litem for JR and have someone supervise him and his surrounds could squelch a lot of fears. If he is with his grandmas who I feel were the real care-givers then I feel he is safe and better off there with his things and familiar faces.

I highly doubt someone would of walked into either one of those women's homes unnoticed and if someone tried they would have a fight on their hands!! So I think we can rest assured JR is safe and isn't he seeing a therapist already??

4 YEARS!!   And I feel it does matter and says a lot about her personality and yes she did lose them in a sense. She turned a blind eye if you ask me. It was easier for her to go back to her mothers. A lot of kids today take the easy way out.

I almost would bet that her drug use had not ceased or why hasn't she got a GED?  A job? I have cleaned other peoples houses to make ends meet and would never have LEFT my child OR allowed an abuser to take them out of my site!!   Oh, She got a licence almost right away and still accomplishes nothing in 4 years.
You know what they say, "When you do drugs {even pot} You will build a bridge in your mind BUT,You will never get off the couch!!"    ::MonkeyTongue:: 
I do think that probably both of them are cleaned up now as they know "it is on" and that I suppose is a good thing.
To bad they couldn't go back to when Ron told Crystal He was so so sorry and she says, I know Ron, Haleigh is your heart. If people would of left these two alone they might not be so full of hate.

Maybe some Monkeys can help me out here.  There is a poem out there that I have seen, but darn if I can remember the exact title.  It goes something like this.

If you want to succeed or get ahead .....'You gotta drive the train'. 

In all honesty, you are on the same basis track, that my mind is running on.  I have thought about it in two varing ways. first, that there was an anger issue before Ron went to work, possible Haleigh received another blow to the head, she was allowed to lie down and go to sleep.. And into coma she went. They warn parents all the time, don't let children go to sleep if they have hit their heads, or if they have had their heads hit.  And, I thought very seriously, Haleigh may have been Daddy's Little girl, and been the bunt of many disagreements between Misty and Ron. Yes, Haleigh would be the one to suffer from Misty's anger when she would be alone with Misty.  Now, we know that no member of Ron's family would be involved in driving that van to the house to be used for removal, unless Ron was very much apart of the situation. His cell phone records need to be checked for that date, also Misty's cell phone.
After seeing Amber's myspace last night, and realizing just how Jealous of Amber - that Misty is..   Her comment on Amber's page : much like the pot calling the kettle covered in Soot.

Upon waking up this morning, I had a lingering thought.. what if Haleigh got into drugs or meds that were not secure?  That would do the deed in a heart beat.  They said that Haleigh was not using any meds for her Turner's Syndrome,  but had received Hormonial Replacements. I had looked up the condition prior.  This is a list of problems girls with Turners
may have to deal with, besides height and not go through all of the changes associated with puberty, thus the reason for hormonal treatments.

A number of other health problems occur more often in girls with Turner syndrome, including kidney problems, high blood pressure, heart problems, overweight, hearing difficulties, diabetes, and thyroid problems. Some girls with the condition may experience learning difficulties, particularly in math. Many have a difficult time with tasks that require skills such as map reading or visual organization.

In addition to short stature and lack of sexual development, some of the other physical features commonly seen in girls with Turner syndrome are:

a "webbed" neck (extra folds of skin extending from the tops of the shoulders to the sides of the neck)
a low hairline at the back of the neck
drooping of the eyelids
differently shaped ears that are set lower on the sides of the head than usual
abnormal bone development (especially the bones of the hands and elbows)
a larger than usual number of moles on the skin
edema or extra fluid in the hands and feet

I think that a guardian ad litem is a great idea. The one thing I see in this case is that Chrystal did seem to abandon the kids. I know that even good moms can lose their kids - I did for a bit due in part to my behavior and part to the exaggerations of my ex about that behavior. Even when the kids were not at my house, I called them everyday. I still talked to the teachers at least once a week. It does not seem that Chrystal did that. It may be that Ron would not let her talk to the kids, but what about keeping up with the school? Did she call the doctors to find out how the kids were doing? I know that I often went up to school and had lunch with the kids - did she?

I agree that Ron is not the best parent in the world - and may even be unfit but I also know that Chrystal is not the best parent from what we have seen. She says she did not get the custody papers filed by Ron - but she typed a response and the court sent a notice to the address she gave. She chose to not appear. I never would miss a court hearing about my kids.

JMO but I think Jr needs to be out of the house of both parents until this is cleared up. Both parents are to immature to not flood this poor kid with bad things about the other. Add to that the lack of parental abilities both seem to show and I am sure that JR would be better served in foster care of some other arrangement.

I agree with you on certain points.  One that right now, until a determination has been made on this case. That Little Ron should be secured in a home, that all deems safe. 

But, when you read the divorce papers, and the realization of Crystal's age becomes a huge issue.  At the time of the divorce, this was a 15-16 year old girl.  She is only 19 right now.
Lived what appears to be a lifetime already.  She has left nothing in life as an adult of 21 and above to discover.  I just can't imagine holding a 15-16 year old girl at fault for her lack of knowledge and common sense to know about the court systems. 

Good gosh, I have a 14 year old granddaughter who can't find her shoes in the mornings. Doesn't remember where she took them off last night.
When my oldest Granddaughter was 15-16, she was too afraid to babysit her brothers and sisters alone. 

Now, we are talking about a girl who was pregnant at the age of 14, living with a 19 year old male, going through divorce by the time she was 16. Good gosh,  I can't fault her for not showing up for court. I can understand the fear, the failure to obtain an attorney, fear of Ron.. And lack of knowledge in her standing up for her rights and children.   

I look back and realize, hey when I was 14, I didn't know anything about sex..  I wasn't allowed to date or hang out with boys.   Although, I married a month before my 18th birthday, I didn't have my first child until I was 21. Was I grown up and totally responsible.. No way..  I had to earn those wings.

I agree that she was/is young. But it is important to note - THEY WERE NEVER MARRIED - this was a paternity action and a custody action. As for her age, when this action was filed (by her own admission not long after Ron kept the kids) she was 19 or 20. And legal aid loves to help people like her with these types of problems.

The bigger problem in this case is the fact that these are children raising children. This is why I am all for adoption being the presumptive best interest for the children of unmarried young mothers - some do get married and do well but most do not, so lets put the kids in a safe mom and dad family. But that is JMO

Try this link for your Poem,  http://www.allright.com/Poems/TOLRailway/TOL.htm

I agree and in the event the DFS takes action, that's likely. They need the proceeding to necessitate the action though.

did anybody see this yet

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=134486&catid=3

No, I wasn't and it is heart breaking. Such a tiny little one.. no details yet, besides who she may be with, auto description and direction of travel.  Thank you for posting this. Hopefully, she will be found safely and very soon.

So very precious!

What in the hell is wrong with people?  My prayer is that she is found soon.

Reading back to catch up a bit.  Any new information or word from Cobra? 

Mornin' All... don't you think it would be pretty traumatic to be taken from both his father and his mother? Unless of course they left him with one of the grandparents... and if it was Ron's folks, then Jr. would still see his dad all the time.

Not that I have seen, but I would not be surprised to see him crop up. I know NG has been in touch with him :)

JMO... I dont think Ron has cleaned up his act.. He continueously seek young nieve teenagers, no divers license, and then their on drugs.. His rap sheet looks suspious to me- How did this long list of criminal offenses and drugs suddenly get dismissed.. I think his mommy dearest had alot to do with criminal record being smoothed over..I have seen through other docs and records people who drove without a drivers license received heavier fines . I hope the FBI is is doing an investagation into all Putnam Country records with the police department. Mommy Teresa maybe needs to pay more attention to her daughter who seems to striving for attention with all her outlandish appearances let alone a police record and stop babying and enabling Ron . Granny Sykes need to get a life and stop interfering maybe she should go to bingo or something.. Apparently these mothers have cause such a rift with Ron and Crystal over the children they need to step back because their are children involved  and 1 child Haleigh is missing.. Also I find their poor judgements of characters. It would be interesting to read how all of Granny Sykes kids turned out and we are already getting a taste of what Mother Teresa has raised..I think the Cummings family knows what happened to Haleigh and are in first gear to protect their son Ron what ever means it will take..  ::MonkeyTongue::

Now I am not going to throw Crystal the mother of these children under the bus yet..
I think Crystal did not only had to fight custody with Ron but the whole Cumming family.
All said and done I think Jr should be removed from the Cummings clad asap...
God Bless Haleigh and bring her home...

Thank you mlee!!  I thought this fit into the previous post.  Always enjoy listening to.

Thread for 2 mo. old missing Sandra Cruz-Francisco, Jacksonville, FL in missing persons:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4753.msg735618#msg735618

I agree with everything you wrote Jerseygirl  ::MonkeyTongue::

Per Cobra's interview on Blink34's page, he quotes Ron as saying “Exactly, and if I didn’t marry her, I don’t know where in the hell my, where am I going to look for my son? (Cobra meant to say daughter).”  Do you think that slip was Cobra or Ron?  I reviewed Ron's interviews - his references to "taking out the trash when it's time", etc.  All of it sounds grossly contrived.

Thank You Rose.. I hope they find Haleigh soon.. ::MonkeyTongue::

That's exactly what I thought! The kids were more to babysit her and keep her home, than the other way around! Ron has no one but himself to blame for this.

Misty was like a playmate for the kids, how very sad.

To be totally honest.. I just don't know anymore.  My concept of seeking the truth on cases like this. its like scraping one layer of muck away, and the Roaches crawl out, and you scrap another layer and more roaches.. and it continues on down. ::MonkeyNoNo::  

I noticed that Cobra had made several verbal mistakes, much like this. But, I do believe he showed us a side of Ronald sr. and Misty, that no one outside of the families was aware of. And tid bits of info that we were not aware of.  

Continuing with honesty..  I knew the day, that Caylee Anthony's Grandmother called 911, and stated  "Casey Anthony's vehicle smelled like something dead was inside". That Caylee was really gone. There was no doubt, just when, how, where, and for the Love of God, WHY?

Adam Kirkirt, the search resolved so fast.. nothing found.. no one to my knowledge, ever mentioned Child Preditor.  So, we had obtions.  He fell into water and drowned? He was harmed by other children? He was abducted from his neighborhood? Sex Offenders harm little boys just as readily as little girls.

Now Little Haleigh Cummings in my opinion, not abducted from the home. Something occurred in that residence, stories have been made up to cover the occurance, and to change the frame of time elements.

Yes, little Ron's Safety  Big Priority.. Right now..

Interesting post at this site, the person is referring to WS.  lolol 

http://erickacourtney.wordpress.com/2009/03/20/crystal-sheffield-ronald-cummings-both-retain-attorneys-lets-see-why/#comment-1268 (http://erickacourtney.wordpress.com/2009/03/20/crystal-sheffield-ronald-cummings-both-retain-attorneys-lets-see-why/#comment-1268)


April,

You’ve just invited a few “locals” posting here to join your forum. It’s a “ban forever” offense in your forum for anyone to go in and invite “locals” from there to join a another forum, and in fact is considered “stealing”.

So why is it ok for you, representing that forum, (with those dire rules) to come to this site and do the same to Ericka??

Why not allow the “locals” to post where they wish, and ask them questions wherever they may already happen to feel comfortable?

You mentioned the other “locals” already in your forum, yes. You forgot to mention that once there, they are pumped for further info, disrespected and not believed.

I don’t respect people whose only intent seems to bring “locals” into their own forum in an apparent intent to satisy their own curiosity.

I do respect and admire the “locals” for stepping up and posting what they know, and encourage them to also give their info to LE or to Cobra.

And I do respect and admire Ericka for giving everyone a place to voice their opinions, thoughts, and feelings.

Comment by Cheyenne | March 24, 2009

Good morning Monkeys all!

JACK  LESTER  CUMMINGS
LAKE COMO,  FL
Booking#: 08-05080  -  Booking Date & Time: 11/24/2008 12:36:31 AM

DOB: 12/22/1959 -  RACE: W  -  SEX: M
Charges       Misd/Felony   Degree   Bond   Bond Posted
810.08-2   TRESPASS AFTER WARNING IN CONVEYANCE

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=750776&IMG=30907   

Is that Ron's father?

Now Little Haleigh Cummings in my opinion, not abducted from the home. Something occurred in that residence, stories have been made up to cover the occurance, and to change the frame of time elements.

Yes, little Ron's Safety  Big Priority.. Right now..        mlee, that's what I think also, and I agree about Jr's safety, top priority.

I agree NoRose!  With the inconsistencies for 6 long weeks now, IMO, it's an apparent coverup of some kind, for whatever reason.  Had it been a straight up abduction, I'm thinking that Misty and Ron would have been cleared first off.  Am thinking that because they haven't been cleared, it's kind of hard for LE to clear anyone else yet. 

All IMO. 

Sure seems to be!  His father is named Jack.

Trespass after warning in conveyance..  Does that mean he was warned not to trespass and did it again? 

Thanks I thought it was his father, I wonder where he was trespassing at  ::MonkeyEek::

I agree on Jr's safety also, but I dont think taking him away from everything and everybody he has ever known is the solution, this baby has been traumatized enough with the loss of his sister and everything that is going on and then to be kept away from everyone else, I say nol!!!   Surely there is a family member outside Putnam that can be trusted to keep him until something is resolved, Taking him away and placing him with strangers could do more harm then good!!! 

There must be some relative that can take him in and give him the safety, and security and love he needs.

I hope someone makes Mistie talk soon, she could wrap this case up if she would just worry more about Haleigh then about her own selfish self, She needs to say just what the Hell happened that night and let the chips fall where they may, if it gets her in trouble with Ronald, well then so be it, if she thinks her life would be in danger, LE will take care of that, does she think it will make her look bad, well I dont think it could make her look worse then she already does.....I would have way more respect for her if she would just come clean for Haleighs sake whatever the story is!

I don't think she is going to, I really don't, I think she would have by now.

I would truly love to believe that you would be right.. But, I really believe that what we have heard so far as to their story for that night..  It's the best they could come up with, in a short period of time.. and by golly they have to stick to it, so they both don't go to prison.

Same concept Casey Anthony had. She had to create a story fast, created the trama for the Gonzales woman who now cannot be hired.  No one wants to trust with their children now..
And of course, Casey is absolutely sure.. Thats my story and I'm sticking to it.

All three were so smart, and figured if they could not find a body, then they couldn't be charged. Casey is learning the difference, .. But, these two.. I'm sorry, do not mean to offend anyone. "But they are dumn as rocks."

Okay, just heard the report on the 2 month old baby girl, she was abducted from a Health Clinic. I guess, that she was in there for a checkup.  apparently a Hispanic mid twenties female named Janet took the baby and Ran..  This one, we know is going to be an Abduction.
For this woman who took the baby, people in that Clinic have to know something about her.. I doubt if they allow people to just walk in and hang out until they have an opportunity to grap a tiny one and run.

They need to let this Grandma have at her in a locked room for about 30 min. ::MonkeyShocked::

Add me to the list of people who believe there was no abduction. Also, I do not believe GGranny Sykes came over that night - it took her 9 days into the investigation to come up w/that song & dance. And, Misty never mentioned Sykes coming over that fateful night. Misty said the a/c man, her brother and brother's kids were over. Never mentioned Sykes or her cousin. And, in the CBS Morning interview, Misty said she was "exhausted". I just bet she was..after being on a 3-day bender. I believe Ron had the kids all weekend/no Misty. He drags Misty home on Mon., 2/9/9-Misty still half in the bag/hung-over. He goes ballistic. HL gets in the middle, is backhanded, possibly hits her head. She dies. Ron tells Misty he w/kill her if she doesn't help cover this up. Now, she is not only half in the bag & hung-over, scared shitless. So, she complies w/Ron. They come up w/the back door "story". He does not go to work until around 6 pm (per JVM's interview w/Ron's "pastor") - he has an alibi - he was at work. Later, Misty has Greg over. Jr. asleep. Misty either leaves or just stays home w/Greg doing the horizontal tango on the couch. Thus, the "couch bouncing". Not sure about a "black man in black taking HL". Not even sure about the "bouncing couch". Not sure about a lot but I do think Ron is directly involved. And let me say right here & now that my opinions are speculation/subject to change & MOO!!!!

Hi Monkeys-

Forgive me if this has been posted, but does anyone have a Myspace page on Greg L Page-  the guy we assume to be WB Greg that is listed on Blink's website?

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/03/23/haleigh-cummings-case-exclusive-misty-on-3-day-bender-with-lover-and-drugs/

The statutes governing this crime are found in Chapter 810 of the Florida Statutes. The first section is Florida Statute 810.08 that covers "Trespass in a structure or conveyance". This section states anyone who "without being authorized, licensed, or invited" who "willfully enters or remains in any structure or conveyance", or is warned by the owner or lessee of the premises or a person authorized by the owner or lessee to depart, and then refuses to do so – commits the offense of trespass in a structure or conveyance.

Violation is normally a second degree misdemeanor, but if there’s a human being in the structure or conveyance (even if you don’t know that) it becomes a first degree misdemeanor ...

http://www.floridafirearmslaw.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=FFL&Category_Code=Trespass-Armed-Trespass-Charges-Florida

Here tis:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=204816204 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=204816204)

Thanks Brandi!   ::MonkeyCool::

What little Ron may have seen that night was a man dressed in black clothing, or very dark clothing picking his sister up out of her bed.  Misty, may not have been strong enough to lift Haleigh.  Not that Haleigh is that heavy, or large as a child. But, absolute  (I hate using this word) dead weight is far different than picking up a sleeping child. This person who came to help, would have to be the same person who drove the van over to the house.  The scratches on the van, are from heavy brush or tree limbs.   They have the ability to remove soil from the tires if any is there, and actually match it to local soil areas. Especially, going into a wooded area.  And, the time line would be so far off its unreal..  Because, by 4:00 am the van had been returned, and parked differently.  And, the scratch would have been overlooked. 
I still believe its going to be the tid bits that end up completing the puzzle.

Can this Grandma have at what's left of her after that?    ::MonkeyWink::

Wyks, can I be in line behind you? I would love a turn too..

This could very well be what happened, Luckyday!  I still dunno what exact time Ron went to work or left work.  The pastor quoted Ron as having worked his "8 hour shift".  Inconsistent reports make it hard to know when his shift actually began and ended, as Ron was scheduled for a 10+ hour shift.  And he and his family have reported different times he was due to work.  It's frustrating! 

Wyks   you better get there before me, Im going back on the 30th and I really hope I dont see Mistie this time, yukkkkkkk........just might need bail money...lol

Sure!  She won't have a chance to do anything BUT talk, when faced with gma after gma.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Wish we could go with ya, HH!  And hey, we do have an SM bail fund.   ::MonkeyWink::

well I will be collecting phone numbers before then.uhh   just in case..............but dont send Murt with it.......lolololololol

Ah dang, that just takes all the fun out of a road trip then!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

But yeah, be sure to collect some phone numbers before ya go.  Might only get the chance to make one call.   ::MonkeyEek::

Kidding aside, I'm so glad you are going there soon!  Sure hope you have a chance to look around at some of the areas we've talked about, maybe even get to meet Cobra!

The Baby Girl has been found.  Police received a tip, that lead them to a house.. Inside the little one was waiting. She is okay.. Praise the Lord.....

This may well become an issue.  It seems that the Mother had a conversation with the woman, and then handed the baby to her. And the woman left with the infant.   The Mother did not report the infant as being abucted until several hours later, about 9:30 pm last night.  The Mother and the Abductor who has been identified on TV, are both being questioned.  They will have a news report later in the day..

Yes

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=204816204

Thank God the baby was found safe.

Thank you Wyks!

Many thanks to you as well, Klassend.

Are there any other Gregs that we thought might be WB Greg?  Wasn't there a Greg White discussed?

Greg Page is him.

B

Yes there was, I think near the end of the last thread.

Do I get to pick up the crumbs???    ::MonkeyHaHa::

Ever since the beginning of this case, I have not given much thought of Crystal, either for or against her.  I was more or less baseing my concentration on the two newlyweds.

I know there have been pros / cons posted about Crystal and WHY didn't she have the kids, etc....

The more I think about this, the more I do believe that Grama & Great Grama should both be muzzled. 

Think about this....Do you think that Crystal had one ounce of backing from either of those two gramas.  I hardly think so, as RON was their choice and nothing anyone could say would make a difference.

I can see Crystal fighting against a few BRICK WALLS when it came to her trying to get custody of her children.  I don't think no mattter how good of a mother she was that both of these muzzled people would have gone against her.

Whatever the reasons, she did not remain with Ron is one thing.   But for her not to be able to take her children is another.  If she was involved in any type of substance, bet your butt that the two muzzled hounds would have certainly brought that to the courts attention, and on the backside, painting the perfect picture of Ron.

She may have had very good intentions and may have been an excellent mother, we do not know, however, her attempt to gain custody was shot down....by guess who!!!!

I know there are young mother's that give their children away, as afraid to face raising a child, working, etc...so they take the easy way out.  But, I don't think that Crystal had any backing to actually help her gain the custody of those children.  She could not fight those two by herself, therefore, Ron took them and she got some visitation. 

Here we have Misty, with her most recent/past track record, and they do not bring any negative things against her, no matter what she does.

So, I am saying Crystal now has another child, maybe her choice for companionship was not the greatest, and maybe she is trying to shed this person.  But, she does now have some backing to try and help her.

We do not hear of Crystal out flouncing herself in public, seperating herself from the reason she is here...to find her daughter.  Not the likes of Ron and Misty.

Sure crap is gonna surface, but maybe Crystal needs to be given a chance to have a new beginning.  Considering the track record of the other two or Crystal, I am beginning to lean towards Crystal and hope that she succeeds in getting some custody or temporary custody of Ron Jr. until a complete INVESTIGATION IS DONE.  How much worse could it be ....he was with them before, and now his sister is gone. 

I know most feel that Ron Jr. should be given to someone that is not family, but now he is with GGrama...and lord knows what is being pumped into his head about mommy.

Just thinking out loud...

Everything  we have is leading back to the home enviroment...

We have a gun issue-fight-gun found in ditch- Ron says no

Mommy Dearest says cousin was over on NG- Ron says no

The bed & blanket sissue- Fibsty says - Were we all in the bed-then Just her an junior and Haleigh in the tot bed- then Jr watch dvd on couch and Haleigh in tot bed watch her dvd-then she and JR in bed she was tired and must of went to sleep-then she made the bed with JR in it? Who know where the children were sleeping.  Ron says on NG they were all in the bed. then blanket she was washing-first Haleigh's blanket because she peed- then took a blanket from the window- then there was a blanket in the van.. In one of the video, Fibsty says I went to wash my blanket and corrected herself with Haleigh's blanket..Again who knows what's going on with these blankets a detailed told with this blanket issue for some reason for their story..

Now Granny Stykes says she was there 7 maybe 8pm after nine interviews as I recall it Granny stepped forward with this info after their were rumors as she puts it Fibsty wasnt home.. Well for the record I am going with that is hearsay- I really dont know..

Mother Teresa on NG that Fibsty was a good mother to those children.
Fibsty stated the children loved her more than their mother.
Granny stating Fibsty was good to those kids..

Well all I gotta say a beautiful young child Haleigh is missing under her care and she can't even answer simple questions and Ron defending her 100%. Fibsty cant even recall what clothes Haleigh was wearing last..

Ron and Fibsty getting engaged and married within a week. Strange..Why? Dont they realize Haleigh is missing out there somewhere? Why was it so important for them to marry during a tragic time and what purpose did this serve them both..?

Now it would be too much to ask if the FBI on this case interview co-workers that worked with Ron @ PDM bridge. Also while there their to check and get answers if there are any drug dealing going on there..

Also I was wondering how Fibsty got to know this Greg character who happens to live 14 minutes from Ron's job..

God Bless Haleigh... ::MonkeyTongue::

I wonder how many Gregory L Pages there are in Palatka County.  I ran across an Employer Income Deduction Order for child support to be paid by a Gregory Lewis Page, plantiff was an Arcilla Lynette Lookadoo, signed and dated by Mr Page 9/21/1988. 

Greg is 28 or 29 years old..That income deduction was sign in 1988.. Maybe his dad..  ::MonkeyTongue::

#18199
14 min ago
 
    Ponderings wrote:   
But we did find out about "White boy Greg" because of Cobra.

Hobbit55 wrote: We did, but LE already knew about him and had interviewed and given him a polygraph.

http://www.topix.com/city/satsuma-fl/2009/02/missing-5-year-old-florida-girl-likely-was-abducted-police-say/p881

Very good post Grama ...I cant agree with you more.

Very good post and ITA... ::MonkeyTongue::

GramaMonkey, great post and I agree with you.  ::MonkeyCool::

Wisdom among us.  You are so right, Thank you..

Jerseygirl the only thing I can figure with Ron's family is they hate Crystal more then they do Misty, so Misty has been turned into Mary Poppins so Ron looks like this devoted family man, who was always at work while Misty took care of the house and kids.  ::MonkeyRoll::

Grama, I think you hit the nail on the head.

The Cummings family is apparently formidable and is also known to play dirty.   A teenager with a 10th grade education and no driver's license didn't have a chance up against them.  Especially when you consider the connection with LE and the justice system that permitted Ron to evade conviction on numerous drug arrests.

The whole thing stinks.

That has been one of my pet peeves.. the time issue.  See, Misty has stated in many interviews, that grandma was there around 5:00 - 5:30pm, and then Great Grandma, during an interview where they were doing the walk through of the house, stated. That her daughter the Grandma, was at the house about 8:00 - 8:30pm.  Now, Misty states that she put the kids to bed about 8:00pm.   I have ask, and ask.. Did Grandma see Haleigh that night.. My heart tells me no, that Grandma came over about 8:00 and was told that Haleigh was asleep. I don't gamble, but I would put money on the fact that Grandma did not see Haleigh that night. If she peeked in the door, Haleigh would appear to be asleep.. See, the Grandma's for some reason, can't give an accurate answer either, and it should be so simple...  Worms in the woodwork...
I tell you.. if it quacks like a duck, and it waddles like a duck. Then that bird is a duck.  These fake ducks they have created, don't quack and don't waddle,  these tales just flip up and around like a fish out of water.

I agree.  ::MonkeyConfused::

You're welcome Alvilda!  Kind of an interesting <ahem> myspace.  lol 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Does anyone have the link for IM prayer room- I was thinking alot about her and her daughter today.. ::MonkeyTongue::

I was just gonna ask if anyone heard anything new...Worried

Good points, Jersey, IMO. 

Add to this that it wasn't until after the rumors circulating round wondering if Misty had even fed those kids that night, cuz she sure hadn't mentioned it, THEN Gma 'remembered' and said in an interview that she or GGma had stopped by with some clean clothes, and that the kids were eating dinner that Misty had made for them, put their plates down and ran to her. 

Sorry for that long run-on sentence. 

Interesting to me that it seems more than a couple of times the Gmas 'remembered' info in interviews, long after it seems it 'should have' been remembered, and in direct relation to what was being said on the net. 

Another reason why I'm looking hard at the Gmas too. 

Grama? Good Post, IMO!!   ::MonkeyWink::

Hi Monkeys!!! 

Hate to say this...I might get ripped...Anyway Crystal is up against the whole family not just RC..

Or...
Ron is up to something or into something and is in over his eyeballs so they need Misty on their/his side.

I do think Crystal is up against the whole darn family.  ::MonkeyEek::

Okay..Im not that familiar with Florida except to vacation there several times..But why cant they arrest her for lieing like they did Casey??

Sure could be, because I can't imagine his family having this public love affair with Misty.

I think they probably got married thinking they wouldn't have to testify against each other (or whomever of the 2 needed protected by the marriage privilege would receive it).

Let's look at it that way and see what we can come up with.

Ron needs Misty's silence:

IF...

He hurt Haleigh in an accidental rage
He is doing something else illegal that will come to light and he's concerned (maybe drugs)
He knows who is responsible for Haleigh's demise and will take care of it in his own time
He is afraid of the person/persons who took/hurt/?  Haleigh (maybe they've even threatened to hurt Jr. too)
He has been warned by the abductor/guilty party that if he tells on them, they will turn him in for whatever they have on him

I was going to write down why Misty would need Ron's silence but then I thought "WHY would he go along with it, and why would his mom and grandmother?"

For some reason, that makes it seem to me that maybe it is Ron we should be looking at after all?

Do you think he would cover for Misty?  I don't think so unless she had something HUGE on him.

JMO- I blame both Ron and Fibsty for the disappearance of Haleigh.. ::MonkeyTongue::

JMO...In bold... ::MonkeyTongue::

Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!!!

IMO Misty has some really deep chit on Ron. I do not see Ron covering for Misty.

Misssherriff

Saint Augustine, FL  wrote: 

Good afternoon all...

Really good observations from everyone.

Can I clear something up about Picazio and Cobra and not bust anyone's bubble here?

Kim Picazio has made it very clear what her intentions Were and Are when she entered into this situation, her focus > Find Caylee, help Crystal concerning Jr's welfare.
When she arrived and learned of the events surrounding the disappearance decided a PI was clearly needed, and the right one that could get more information than LE can, given the drugs, sex and rock n ron's in this area.

Enter Cobra...he is a One Man show (No one rides with him unless He chooses) and chooses his Own cases and whom he wants to work with.
Picazio has hired Cobra in the past and/or has done work for him as they both are from the Miami area. Cobra obliged and had backing from another source, this is common when families do not have enough money when an investigation is at a stand still > (Smokey's inconsistencies)

Picazio and Cobra had and have No contract together for this case except the 'desire to find Haleigh and what happened to her'.

Picazio will and does receive all information gathered from whomever source she can, including Cobra's findings; Picazio will use what she needs to help Crystal and Jr. and Cobra's focus is to interview Everyone involved and follow leads from those interviews.

FYI: Most PI's generally use a 10 day window to gather as much info as they can and turn over what becomes promising to LE. PI's are licensed to be unbiased, they choose only one side, the Truth.

With that said, let me ask ya'll this...

What is the problem with these two in this case that makes ya'll think they are Just in this for media purposes?

Then ask yourselves...
What are Ron's motives for saying Yes to TWO civil case attorney's who offered pro bono for him like Picazio did for Crystal?

And...have we heard One Peep from the mouth's of these TWO attorney's about How They intend to help find Haleigh and what happened to her?

Believe it is clear who cares and wants Haleigh found, no?
JMO.

http://www.topix.com/city/satsuma-fl/2009/02/missing-5-year-old-florida-girl-likely-was-abducted-police-say/p882

BrendaLee

Jacksonville, FL wrote:

Just heard on the local CBS news that new searches are being slated for this weekend. They also said that if people want to help in the searches they could go by the HaleighBug Foundation on US 17. They are going to expand on the story in the 6 o'clock airing.

http://www.topix.com/city/satsuma-fl/2009/02/missing-5-year-old-florida-girl-likely-was-abducted-police-say/p882

VOICE OF REASON.  You have made a powerful statement here.  I agree with you on this.

Buzz Around Haleigh’s Neighborhood Lessens

   Reported by: Matt Saffer
Email: msaffer@tvjaxfl.com
Last Update: 5:42 pm


SATSUMA, Fla. -- The community off Buffalo Bluff Road in Satsuma used to be filled with slow moving cars, people mowing their lawn or children playing. In the weeks following Haleigh Cummings disappearance, the streets were cluttered with investigators, media, onlookers and well wishers. Today, the streets are calm again and you’d barely notice anything happened. Neighbors living here say even though the spotlight is off their community, Haleigh is still on their minds.

 

“It’s like a big fire, then all of the sudden the fire dies down to nothing,” said Jeannie Glover. She lives in the home where Haleigh Cummings used to live before moving to the home she was taken from.

 

“The people still talk about it…they’re not giving up. She’s going to come home,” said Glover.

 

Many of the neighbors we spoke with said they talk to each other daily about Haleigh’s disappearance. They said they talk about helping, putting out signs or just being there to answer questions from police.

 

Many of the neighbors said Haleigh’s disappearance has forced them to look into their own personal lives.

 

“I think they have become a lot closer with their kids because of the situation. I think a lot of people have learned to stop, think, learn and listen. I’ve learned to help a lot…I’ve learned to call my kids everyday…and tell them I love them…hang on to what you’ve got,” said Glover.

 

As neighbors worked to get their lives back together, the foundation started to help bring Haleigh back home is asking for your help. The Haleigh Bug Foundation set up by Haleigh’s mother, Crystal Sheffield, is asking for volunteers to come and search areas police have not looked.

 

Officers scoured a five square mile area around Haleigh’s home with dogs and special equipment in the days and weeks following her disappearance. The Haleigh Bug Foundation said its received tips from people outside that original search area.

 

Volunteers are now needed to go and search woods and areas outside the original search region. The organization is looking to put groups of 10 people at a time into areas and search in a grid-like pattern.

If you’d like to volunteer, the organization would like you to sign up in person. The group’s headquarters is located at 1185 US-17 in Satsuma. It’s nearly at the intersection of US-17 and County Road 309.

 

A new phone line has also been set up to call in donations or tips. That number is 954-533-6514.

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Buzz-Around-Haleigh-s-Neighborhood-Lessens/pEK6xbx5KUGjXBlZJrG2Eg.cspx

Thanks Heart for those links, very interesting  ::MonkeyCool::

Jersey, are you a JG Blink would know?

Just checking if we know one another
B

I continue to have the feeling that LE is no longer moving with any sense of urgency in this case.  I wonder if they already have a good idea what happened to Haleigh, and are just waiting for forensics, or the right time, or self-incriminating statements, to make an arrest.  Building a tight case, in other worlds.

That's what I've been thinking, and I find it interesting that there will be searches this weekend.

Yea i dont think its LE doing that search though..They said to sign up at Haleighbugs foundation..I think its Crystals "people" who are doing it

Yes, I don't think I've heard of any more LE searches, which is what got me thinking that unhappy thought.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Without doubt, you have put things into perspective.  I believe that anyone who would look at a PI who is trying to find intricate information, that is not readily available. And what Cobra was able to learn and release, was a second side of Ron sr. and child bride,  That people could not, nor did not want to see.  My opinion, the more the world of media keeps this case wide open, it stays within peoples mind.. Someone out there, is going to remember something they heard, or they saw.  Given time, those who are too frightened to step up with information, will relax and come forward.  The case will be resolved, I have no doubt.  I would love to see little Haleigh return safely.. Thanks for filling us in, a bit better.

And, you would think that the parents (and extended family) would be increasingly frantic as time goes on and leads diminish, but that doesn't seem to be the case, sadly.

JVM...is on shes gonna talk about Greg

Hi Blink..

I dont think so but glad to meet you. I also enjoy reading your column.. ::MonkeyTongue::

Casey didn't get arrested for lying she got arrested for passing bad checks.

Right now, they are only warning Misty to be careful of what she say's. It doesn't appear they have any problem with all of Misty's versions of that night. That worries me more than anything.  You would think, that one of Ron's family would suddenly look up and say.. Hey, this has to do with Haleighs disappearance, why are there so many versions to the story.  Apparently, protecting Misty and Ron rather than finding Haleigh is their priority.  I guess Misty is very very lucky, that I am not Haleighs grandmother.  Misty's life would not be what it is today. I would want truth in answers, especially the fact that just days prior to Haleigh's disappearance, it has been admitted, that she was with the other man that weekend.  This would make me absolutely in a fit of rage.

Heads up guys!

Coming up on Jane Velez Mitchell discussing of Greg.  Jane discussing whether Misty was with Greg the night Haleigh went missing.

TJ Hart on JVM reporting on info from Cobra:

Cobra is not bound by the constitution, LE.  He can ask questions and not be bound.

Contact has been made by LE with the mysterious Greg.

It is only speculation that mysterious Greg is the black man that Ron Jr spoke of.

LE cannot say that Greg is a person of interest today, 3/24/09

First of all, THANK YOU for your compliments on my post. 

Since noone has muzzled me, I have a bit more to add to this.

I jump the fence quite often and I think there are other's here that do as well, as I can see by some of the posts.  I have been reading 'rumors' for quite sometime since a few have joined and began giving their info about what they see /saw/know.

There is one in particular that has been a close resider of these two and I just can't seem to put my finger on the reason for their posts.  About last week, I would have thought that it was one of the ...muzzled ones.  But last week, appears to be a different gender. 

Everything that has been stated, is all in a positive view.  There has been nothing to say....any negative.  Now from reading gathering that this individual is a over 60 age, and I find it strange that the difference in ages still can draw such a positive view.

I understand that they have visited LE, not sure exactly why, but how can someone give such a 100% positive view??

Maybe other fence jumpers will comment as to their views on this.

(http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/3/3/d/33de7a15-9157-44cf-ac07-4ceb135f0b02/Original.jpg)

Just sounds the same as the Anthony case.  Treated like a piece of trash.  No care in the world about the little girl, but worry about protecting some low life scum.  Sitting on their arses, enjoying the charities. 

As new as I might well be, I rather understand exactly what you are referring to..  I would think, that it would be a very positive mode or method to keep track of forums and discussions.  You just never know when you might pick up on something that they hadn't heard prior.  In all honesty, these forums are worth their weight in gold.  One key into investigations,  listen to people.. sometimes you don't need to ask questions, just become part of the group and listen and learn.  You've always heard about two heads being better than one.  I for one would take it as a compliment, your doing a good job..

I know exactly who you are talking about, and I am trying to figure out this guy. He has been caught in a few discrepancies, maybe he is being paid by Ron to say all the flattering statements about him and Misty.  ::MonkeyRoll::

That's the way it unfortunately feels to me also.

Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!....Grama Monkey I totally agree with your post.
I think George Anthony must have given Ron a manual on how to make money off his little girl when they had lunch. I noticed a big attitude change in Ron the next day. I just pray they find Haleigh soon. The thoughts of her being out there alone just kills me. I wish I lived close...I would be out searching everyday.

I think Ron's family is in the mode they are in due to custody of Ron JR.
They don't want him to lose custody to Crystal. I am thinking about the wedding, the praising of Misty the way they all got behind Misty & Ron.
...............
Very little has been said by Ron's side about where the kids were the weekend preceeding the " missing ".
GM Sykes dropped off clean clothes and to check on the kids.
Why did she have their dirty clothes ?? Were they there all weekend while the drama with Misty being gone was going on ( What a sentence, eh ? )
..
Also, if those kids were at GM Sykes frequently, maybe someone should look at the RSO's and SO's in her 'hood. Who does she talk to ? Who is within spying distance of her house ? Who did she complain to ? Being the weekend and all and Ron being off work and she has the kids ?     

I agree with you Darla.. Poor sweet child..

    Get the facts straight wrote:

No, on JVM, TJ Hart said the police were aware of him and have questioned him. According to a member of family (not a close member) he was with her the weekend prior, not the night of Haleigh's disappearance. Cobra had nothing to do with this except broadcast it to the world.

http://www.topix.com/city/satsuma-fl/2009/02/missing-5-year-old-florida-girl-likely-was-abducted-police-say/p884

Good Evening Monkey's... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

I dont know if it was posted but last bookings for Greg Lewis Page...
Check the booking date and the last bond date....

GREGORY LEWIS PAGE
Palatka ,  FL
Booking#: 08-00742  -  Booking Date & Time: 2/13/2008 8:10:36 PM

DOB: 8/4/1980 -  RACE: B  -  SEX: M
 

Charges   Misd/Felony Degree Bond Bond Posted
893.131A-3 SALE/DELIVERY OF CANNABIS W/CONS. OR >20 GRMS F 3  $5,004.00  2/13/2008 8:18:01 PM

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=744679&IMG=52125

GREGORY LEWIS PAGE
Palatka ,  FL
Booking#: 08-02456  -  Booking Date & Time: 5/27/2008 8:19:34 PM

DOB: 8/4/1980 -  RACE: B  -  SEX: M
 

Charges   Misd/Felony Degree Bond Bond Posted
893.13-1a2 MARIJUANA-POSSESS WITH INTENT TO SELL MFG OR DELIVER SCHEDULE I F 3  $0.00  10/20/2008 8:03:08 AM

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=747045&IMG=52125

Klaas - the first time Casey  -  Investigators discover Casey has been lying about her place of employment and other details regarding her daughter's disappearance. As a result, Casey is arrested and charged with child neglect, making false official statements, and obstructing an investigation.

The bad checks was the second arrest - right??

Maybe but the real reason was child neglect then and not simply the lying. 

Wheres NGs BOMBSHELL?

Haleigh Updates:

 
REPORTERS NOTES 3/24/09
 

Q and A with Putnam County Sheriff’s Lt. Greenwood

1) Who was the "relative" with Chelsa the night of the abduction in regards to "the van?" (Cousin Joe?)

GREENWOOD: Answered a bit excitedly with" we cannot divulge that information. This is an ongoing investigation and I do not have the authority to release something like that."

2) Any person of interest today?

GREENWOOD: "No."

3) Are there any new people investigators seeking for questioning?

GREENWOOD: "I cannot give you that information today."

4) Anybody being re-questioned today?

GREENWOOD: "We cannot make a statement or comment on that at this time."

SUMMARY: Lt. Greenwood was very professional and as open and as he could be regarding the questions asked. He appeared to react somewhat excitedly in regards to the question involving the "relative" associated with the "the van."

Greenwood was very professional and very firm in his responses to 3 and 4. Casual on question 1.

Haleigh Bug Headquarters is Open

The headquarters is located at 1185 U.S. 17 in Satsuma.

Someone is at the headquarters, 24 hours a day to take calls and tips regarding the search for Haleigh Cummings.

Haleigh Cummings has not been seen since the night of February 9 when her father's then girlfriend, Misty Croslin, put her to bed.

If you want to donate to the Haleigh Bug Foundation, call (954) 553-6514. A web site dedicated to the foundation will soon be up and running.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

I noticed that too, George must have given him a pep talk.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Please excuse the repost, but TJ Hart does not have the exclusive- monkeys do!

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/03/23/haleigh-cummings-case-exclusive-misty-on-3-day-bender-with-lover-and-drugs/

We took an ubearable amount of BS from Ronfibsty camp on this over the last 2 days, my integrity called into question, hateful posts and comments like I have never seen.

Tell the truth so this baby is found already!

Oh wow Blink, you would think they would have more important things to do. Sounds quite similar to another family.

Just a reminder, today is Bearlyhere's Birthday!!  Here is the link

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4744.0

I knew someone would have read into it the same as I had.  Just how many compliments does one need to say??? 

Maybe the custody fight is what LE is hoping will bring out some more answers from Ron and especially Misty.

Blink... ITA How is anyone going to find or what happened to Haleigh with all this BS
and no timeline.. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Darn right, and as soon as he dumps his little ...Miss Goody Twoshoes...she will be on the shit list as well.

The next 'little girl' he finds will then become the queen. 

With the new Sheriff in office, I do hope he has his eyes wide open, and begin an internal investigation of the goins on in his surroundings.

Was this the weekend that was Crystal's turn.  I ask this because IF IT WASN'T then WHY would RON not be looking after his own children, the one's that he so dearly loves.   Or....maybe when Misty was on her bender, Ron was also on one as well!!!

Right on Blink!

It sure does, eh?

By the way, http://haleighbug.com/ is still under construction.

No, I don't believe it was Crystal's turn that weekend. She had Ronald Jr the following weekend, saying it was her weekend to have him.

No one has even come forward with any tip or lead about Haleigh or the mysterious man in black who has taken her captive. Why did he take her? Where is he keeping her? Who has the ties to this? There is much rumor and speculation that it is an associate of Misty Croslin-Cummings.  Haleigh’s step mom. Whether it is true has yet to be seen. Investigators are not letting anything out to the media. Some have to wonder do they have anything to go on? So far they haven’t even come up with a solid time line of the night leading up to the realization of Haleigh’s disappearance. It is reported that the core of the problem in creating a solid time line lays solely in Misty. She is the last person to have contact with Haleigh before her “abduction”. Misty seems to have some what of her story down about what time she put the children to bed and what time she went to bed herself and the laundry she had to do in between.

Other than that it is reported that she has not been very forth coming with investigators. A reporter from Sky973 did an interview with Putnam County Sheriff’s Lt. Greenwood. He really didn’t comment on anything, it is reported that when asked about the “relative” with Chelsea the night of the abduction, its reported that Lt. Greenwood seemed to get a little excited when answering that this is an ongoing investigation and he does not have the authorization to release that at this time. He also said that there is not a person of interest today.

http://www.bloggernews.net/120224

I am pretty sure that in the early interviews, Crystal said that she hadn't seen the kids since the weekend before. She wasn't sure if Haleigh had even gone to school that Monday.
With their weekends, don't know when the return time is, Sunday night or early Monday morning.
Everyone from Ron's side had been quiet about the days preceeding or what was going on. If Misty had been messing around and there was trouble, we now know why, they didn't want to go on TV and tell stories about it due to Crystal. Crystal had been making complaints to DFS, they ( Cummings ) must of had a clue what might happen. The praise of Misty and also Ron was over the top and to me, just lies. The GM Neves was put out there with her bs for a reason. Ron, well Miss Nancy might have asked him a question or two, but Nancy will lay off a GrandMa in  away she wouldn't lay off a drug person, suspected abuser of women and   
a statutory rape guy. Gee, he's a bleeding saint, isn't he ?
And the gf, she was so attentive ( sarcasm ) that she had no clue what Haleigh was wearing. When she put her to bed in the toddler bed, the big bed, the living room couch while she laundered the blanket that was on the window, in the van or on the bed.
They used the bedding to scent the bloodhounds. Maybe she did a Cindy Anthony and gave the wrong bedding. 

Gosh, Nancy Grace comes on and grabs my attention, and I miss out on all the good points that are being made here.  Shame on me..  Yes, Crystal has been the bunt of all the critics.  She is the no good person, drugy that didn't care about her kids..  Reason and rational thinking that she too was a young girl, actually younger than Misty when she was suppose to be this responsible parent and fight Ron in court for the children. Amazes me, how one is looked upon as a child being taken advantage of an older boyfriend now husband, and the other thrown in the trash. There is a third.. in the middle of Crystal and Misty.. Her name is Amber, and she has a little boy by Ron that would appear to be about a year old now, I found the photo posted onsite, and went to the myspace page, Misty had been there prior and left a rather hateful remark about the girl being a bad person and crackhead.  Lord, I hope his Mommy keeps that baby at home with her. 

It had crossed my mind that the children had to be with one of the Grandmothers the weekend prior, because of the clean clothes issue. But, It seemed confusing as to which one. If grandma had cleaned the clothes after the visit and dropped them off, or the Great grandmother had the children, and grandma dropped the clothes off for her.  Never clairified.  In Great Grandma's last interview appearance, did anyone else notice the marks under her left eye,  it appeared much like the last stages of a black eye. That has lingered in the back of my head.. Guess it was time to bring it forward and actually say it.

Why would Ron not be taking care of his children over the weekend? and Misty away doing her little thing, and from what I have read.. it was very clear about their activities.  And Ron apparently knew that Misty was with this guy for the weekend.  This is the strangest relationship I believe I have ever seen.  If Ron is as violent as I think he truly is,  then there must have been a terrible confrontation in that home, either Sunday night or before he went to work on Monday.   I wonder, if he had voluntered to work a double that Monday or if it was scheduled that way,   Does anyone know?  Was Haleigh in School that Monday?

The scratch on the van. How did / would Misty know about it ? Or care ?
Didn't I read some disjointed interview about a scratch on the van where Misty q'd her sil about it ? The van was driven to the scene in the dark by the SIL, I don't know which one. Am I totally crazy ?   

Took a leap across the fence and fell into some 'sweet smelling stuff'.

Originally Posted by raisincharlie 
Maybe this is the guy Ron got into it with in Palatka a couple of weekends before Haleigh went missing...possible maybe.

I will give ya'll more details on that rumor now since I might not get slamed...lol

Ron was asking some certain people, his friends, who is the biggest drug dealer in town, he needed money, ok the rumor has it he robbed this drug dealer with a gun, this has come from several different locals around the area...

Originally Posted by stormy2919 
not wgb , ron
there is a rumor that Ron was caught on camera getting gas at 2am the night Haliegh went missing, the LE never confirmed it and they did not denie it neither. so say it is true they had a good hour and 15-20 minutes to do what the needed to do before calling 911

what what what??? that would completely throw a wrench into this whole thing, I would think they would have confirmed or denied that rumor by now though, it would not be too hard to get the vid quickly I would think. And also his boss or coworkers would have to confirm they did not see him after that time. MOO

Originally Posted by stormy2919 
I will give ya'll more details on that rumor now since I might get slamed...lol

Ron was asking some certain people, his friends, who is the biggest drug dealer in town, he needed money, ok the rumor has it he robbed this drug dealer with a gun, this has come from several different locals around the area...

OMG...Does LE know about this? Have they run it down

Originally Posted by Razzle 
I think this is an interesting theory.

Was it TN or GGma that was supposedly at the house dropping off clothes that night? Did they say that they saw Misty, or just the kids??

first time she said it she only mentioned the kids and not Misty...I wonder if one of the news station would still have the clip of that...

Originally Posted by PolyGraph 
what what what??? that would completely throw a wrench into this whole thing, I would think they would have confirmed or denied that rumor by now though, it would not be too hard to get the vid quickly I would think. And also his boss or coworkers would have to confirm they did not see him after that time. MOO

They have been tight lip on all they have as far as evidence, if you listen to them talk they make it short and simple and never go in to details on what they have, to be honest they have been playing a real good poker game.. if ya know what I mean.... JMO

Originally Posted by Busylady 
Is the biggest dealer in town GLP?

yes he is,

stormy, do you feel that they are getting closer to a resolution? (LE that is) TIA

Originally Posted by stormy2919 
I will give ya'll more details on that rumor now since I might not get slamed...lol

Ron was asking some certain people, his friends, who is the biggest drug dealer in town, he needed money, ok the rumor has it he robbed this drug dealer with a gun, this has come from several different locals around the area...


That ties in with the rumor I heard a few weeks ago that Ron was asking around for five or six thousand.

Originally Posted by tehcloser 
So working with the rumors....was Misty with WBG by choice...or.....well you know?

Ron is in the mix there, like I said he had drugs in his car the LE confiscated them when Haleigh went missing, Ron and Misty knew about Haliegh all this time, from day one they aways talked about her in past tense, and today on local news they want volunteers to help search in certain areas Saturday, so wonder what WBG has told LE this is all coming out at once...

Originally Posted by ladonna 
That ties in with the rumor I heard a few weeks ago that Ron was asking around for five or six thousand.

another rumor about money is I heard the kidfinders called Ron and asked him about something and he said if you give me 10,000 I will let you, do not know exaclty what they were wanting, but from the doin the sunshine doll that looked like Caylee maybe. LIke I said this is what I heard..

they know all of this Anna and I have been collecting info and she tells LE.. Anna has done alot of asking questions around here, she will call and ask what I hear I tell her and she would contact LE...

Originally Posted by tehcloser 
Wonder why he needed the money to start with? Sounds like a double edge sword to me. Neede to repay someone and robbed someone to do it?

Drug Dealers 'Front' drugs to lower dealers. That means they give them the drugs without payment, and after the lower dealer sells the drugs he brings the money to the bigger dealer.

Ron may have been fronted a bunch of pills, sold them, & spent the money. Or he may have done a bunch of the drugs himself. Whatever happened, he oculd have easily found himself hundreds of dollars in debt to a dealer, and he had no more drugs to sell and no money. He could have robbed another dealer who he was less afraid of,to pay the first dealer.


Or maybe he just owes a bunch of money for fronted drugs, and never actually "robbed" anyone, just ripped them off.
Originally Posted by stilettos 
stormy, do you feel that they are getting closer to a resolution? (LE that is) TIA

oh yes big time, this is what Anna and I have been waiting on... I am so glad it is coming out, and hopefully Haliegh will be found...

well in the last 24 hours rumors are starting to come out as a lil facts, JVM was talking about it tonight, LE told them they could not talk about it today, so soon we will know.....

Yes Haleigh was in school that Monday, I'm still a little unclear who picked Haleigh up, Ron and grandma both said they did, maybe they were together, or maybe neither one knows who picked her up.

Haleigh was in school on Monday. But she missed either the Friday or the preceeding Thursday. She was late quite a few times too. At that age, it's the parent who is late, not the kid.

No, the van belongs to Lindsey who lives in the neighborhood, the other sister in law of Misty, Chelsea lives I think in Daytona Beach. Now that's were I get confused with the van, did Lindsey have it or did Chelsea have it, did they share the van, even though they live in different cities?

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/School-Attendance.png)

"That" Monday was February 9.

According to her school attendance records, yes, she was in school that day.

No, your not crazy.. I read the same article, on a news website.. Most confusing thing.. Cannot tell, who actually owned the van, and who drove the van frequently.  And it also stated that Misty had contacted her sister in law and wanted to know how the van was scratched.  And you made a very good point.
From what I can gather really happened.

The van (no matter who it belongs to or drives the most) was parked at the sister in Laws house.  The family was notified about 4am, that Haleigh was missing. Went outside, and observed the van was not parked where it generally is. Apparently, this became an issue with the LE, and they grabbed the van, went over it.. This part I like.. No stone is left unturned. They would have everything checked on the van.  Hey Guys, they learned from Casey Anthony vehicle..  But, this time.. their not telling anything. no lose ends. no one suspects..   Two things were overlooked that night.. Access to the keys to the van, and the scratch..   Now, the most probable cause of the scratch?.. Tree limbs or Heavy Brush?..
So many unanswered questions..

Thank-you GramaMonkey, now that is all very interesting  ::MonkeyEek::

Ron said he tore the house apart looking for Haleigh.
I saw the house.
There is nothing to tear apart.
Look in closets. Look in her room.
Was there an altercation there and the hosue was upside down ?
I have too many questions.

 

Here are the first two months of the year attendance breakdowns:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/school-Jan-Feb.png)

Okay, so that means that Haleigh was alright and safe in school until 3:00pm. So the last time confirmed that she was last seen outside of that home was on the school bus, or being picked up by, Ron? Misty?
So, the timeline is within a 12 hour period.  That just hit a nerve, and I'm not sure why..

[BrendaLee"
Here's something even stranger. Last night after hearing that discrepancy, I made a comment on Art Harris' site about this is the first time we are hearing that she may have been up in the middle of the night. On his blog, comments have to be approved by the moderator. At the time I made my comment, there were no comments on his story, and when I looked at it from my computer, I could see mine, but it said, "Your comment is awaiting moderation." Ok, that's normal. Then later that night, comments were approved, except mine is still 'waiting'. The time on my comment was just 30 minutes after the last one approved. Mine is STILL waiting. I can't figure it out. Any ideas

----------

Brenda,

WHAT was the comment you made on Art's site?

That comment must be right on the money?

Chelsea Croslin dropped by yesterday on the
messageboards and she was very kind to explain
the puzzlement over the van, she also gave
a scolding "that people are scandalizing her family" something to that effect, maybe, not the
same exact wording, maybe, she is grazing messsage
boards and scolding others, he needs to be care-
ful, as we all do, so I write MY OPINION, because
this is America and we are intitled to our opinions. Yes, my opinion is that it is an X tape.
Haleigh Bugs Foundation, opened today, so the
they will be getting more tips and information.
The time line is up to 10:30 at night. We are connecting the dots, not everyone, remembers "the tape that was taken as evidence" at the time, I
thought it was a telephone casette for messages.
"Attorney Lisa" confirmed to us what it was, did she know we would catch on? so did she do this Chelsea Croslin reads these message boards, apparently, they must be pretty hot.

http://www.topix.com/forum/source/south-florida-sun-sentinel/T52VIGA63OER7TOO7/p881

The good comments were by the weather person. 

There were DVD's taken from the trailer. From police report. Singular. Says not stolen.
Whatever that means.
..
Our weather is terrible up here. Feel as if I am trapped in this place tonight.
There is a big flood coming. I am ok, won't be affected, I must be nervous about it, mind jumping all over the place with this. I am going to leave, lights dimmed. 
Don't want to risk a power thing with this computer.     

I don't think that person is one of the muzzled.   I think, however it might be one of the SOs that have been discussed.

Unless Ron is/was pimping Misty then it would be my assumption in normal circumstances there should have been an altercation.  Misty goes spends the weekend with whiteboy greg getting high, stoned, and whatever else (you know what I mean. 

Ron is crazy mad.

Misty and Ron get into it upon her return.

Joe gets involved in the altercation.

Chelsea and Joe pay a visit to Misty the night that Haleigh went missing after Ron goes to work .

Me too, way to many questions.  ::MonkeyEek::

Gotcha  ::MonkeyWink::

Be safe, take care

According to what Chelsea is reported to have said in the below article, the van belongs to Misty.

Now tell me how unemployed, no steady income Misty can afford a decent looking vehicle as the one in the pic in the article.

Is Misty selling as well as using?  Inquiring minds want to know just how did Misty obtain the van.

New Details About Evidence In The Haleigh Cummings Investigation
http://www.cbs47.com/mostpopular/story/New-Details-About-Evidence-In-The-Haleigh/1k5Lp9GD2E2M74ZPyUJb7g.cspx

“The day Haleigh went missing, everyone was looking for her…she (Misty) called me later that night and said 'Chelsea, please tell me you’re the one who put the scratch in my van.' I started crying and told her there’s no way I put the scratch in her van," said Chelsea.

Heart your last post, is the tape a porno tape, or God forbid is this a suggestion of child porn? Maybe I'm missing the point to the tape LE took.

I agree, I bet you hit a nerve.. I have been on there several times. On one of my postings, I saw the little titled remark about the post be approved, came back later and found it online.  I had to leave the computer and didn't get back on for a couple of hours. Went back to the site, and found the post was gone. I thought that was rather odd.  Now was Chelsea up and in the van that night?  I knew she had an interview, caught just a few seconds of it..  Bare with me.. I have tid bits in my head.
a. the children both have rooms of their own, all setup with toys and beds? But, they don't sleep in their own rooms? "Play in Haleighs room when playing dolls, and little Ron's room when playing trucks.."
b. both children sleep in master bedroom? children and adults?
c. Haleigh doesn't like to play outside.
d. weapon in the house, discarted and thrown in ditch.
e. drugs were observed in house.
f.  misty returned after weekend of reported  ..x  and d....s.
g. Haleigh sleeping on crib mattress on floor, baby boy on bed..
h. Haleigh's blanket smelled like pee, had to be washed.
i.  Grandma's visit, 5, 7, or 8 all three times given.
j.  back door on side of house, no forced entry - Does not stay open by itself, screen door blocked open
k. Kitchen light turned on by intruder???????
l.  were any tire tracks found in grass or soil by side of house that were fresh, dew on grass at 3am would show tire prints.
m. What was Haleigh wearing when she was in school on Monday,  a pink shirt and tan shorts?
n. out of school at 3pm, - Found missing at 3am.
o. Little Ron said black man was in the house that took Haleigh,  - person wearing dark clothing picking haleigh up?
p. what were the children fed for dinner, question for little Ron, did you and sissy eat dinner?
q. frequent absences from school, majority are unexcused, which means no one takes time to write note.
r. frequent tardies. Misty stated, she takes her to school on mornings Ron just doesn't want to get up.
s. Van, Driver.. Keys .. Scratches on Van.
t. the reported injuries of facial and head blows Haleigh received.
u. if the clothes were on the floor by the back door, then you would have to step on the clothes to open the door, or you would not be able to open the back door. Clothes would be in the way. The utility room, small square room, door at end, washer and dryer on right hand side. just enough clearance for door to open and close.
v. window for master bedroom on front, but none on side near the "back door". 
w. was there a tv in the master bedroom?

Maybe MISTY had to go and be with GLP, to pay off Ron's debt. 

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Yes, there is a TV in the master bedroom. It is the one Misty said Haleigh was watching that night.

It has been reported that Misty claims that Jr and Haleigh were watching 2 different movies (perhaps dvds) prior to going to sleep the night Haleigh went missing.

I believe just recently Misty's mother has stated that the movie that Haleigh was watching prior to Misty going to sleep was not the same movie that was in the player the next day.

Makes me wonder if Misty got caught in a lie by LE.

Sometimes its those little things that trips one up. ::MonkeyShocked::

mlee... I'm putting everything you listed through this tired old brain of mine, and what thoughts I'm having is really upsetting me, I really don't like the direction I'm going with this.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

IIRC...When G Neves took the crew on a tour of the home....didn't she say that Haleigh's movie was still in the DVD player? I may be wrong...but I think I remember that. They have told so much crap it is mind boggling for my old brain.

I really and truly do not think the back door even matters anymore. IMO it was a staged act. The blankets have more meaning to me and I think the missing blanket is what Haleigh was wrapped in and taken from the house.

Yes, Darla I remember the tour of the trailer with G Neves and the video machine opening showing the movie still in there.

But....not long after that airing, I am not sure if was Misty saying what movies the kids watched, and the one in the machine was not what she mentioned.

Hi Monkeys~sorry to tired to post too much, but left an update in the prayer thread.


On Topic~I've heard for Jax souce last week the ggma Sykes has a close contact in the clerk's office........so, just a nugget of food for thought.

Night all and thanks for the prayers

This may be a little far fetched, but then maybe not.  Drug dealers do travel.


As to the heroin charge, the drug note found in Montano-Gudino's pocket stated, "5.4 OZ., $8,800 owed, $1,600 per ounce, Greg and Carol Page." At trial, Gregory Page testified Montano-Gudino sold Page five ounces of heroin and Montano-Gudino's brother, Sandro Montano, sold Page two ounces. Detective Kenneth O'Brien, the officer in charge of the investigation, testified that seven ounces of heroin is equivalent to eight hundred dosage units, a distribution quantity. The jury was entitled to believe this testimony, which was sufficient to convict Montano-Gudino of conspiring to distribute heroin.

more...

http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F3/309/309.F3d.501.01-3760.html

GREGORY  LEWIS  PAGE
Palatka ,  FL
Booking#: 200600003766 -  Booking Date & Time: 8/5/2006 12:37:13 PM

DOB: 8/4/1980 -  RACE: B  -  SEX: M
Charges       Misd/Felony   Degree   Bond   Bond Posted
893.147-1    POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA    M       $11,004.00    
893.13-7a5    MAINTAINING A DRUG DWELLING    M       $11,004.00    
893.13-1a    POSSESS EXSTACY (SCHEDULE II) WITH INTENT SELL DELIVER    F       $11,004.00    
901.31    FTA / DWLSR    M   1    $1,504.00    
893.13-6a    POSSESSION OF ECSTACY    F       $11,004.00    
893.13-6a    POSSESSION OF COCAINE    F       $11,004.00    
893.13-1c1    POSS OF COCAINE W/INTENT TO SELL/DELIVER W/IN 1000 FT SCHOOL   F       $11,004.00    
http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=733516&IMG=50022

So, do we know what movie was in the machine??? And I am also confused on the tapes that LE took. Anyone??

Goodnight Monkeys! Have a great night!

Misties Mother says that before mistie fell asleep she had put one of the mivies in the player for her to watch, then she says when she woke up the movie that she put in wasnt in there anymore and the other movie was in ther, then she said that Haleigh must have gotten up and changed them,!

Goodnight.........boo I just got here.

Good Night Monkey's.. ::MonkeyCool::

Tired of looking info up..

Monkey's Rock.... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

So, if we are to believe this..that means Misty fell asleep before HL. HL watched a movie, then put another movie in. Misty never woke up when HL started watching another movie?? OR - Misty was "cleaning" while HL watched a movie and then finished that movie and put another movie in the machine. Meanwhile, wasn't Jr. "on the couch" watching another movie??? "Bouncing couch". And really, how could Mother Croslin really have a clue what transpired or if her daughter was even home that night.
This case is becoming as contrived and convoluted as the Ant case!! ::MonkeyConfused::

Anyone know if Ron and Misty have been known to help out at the Haleigh Bug Foundation?

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.viewcustom&friendId=422517534&blogId=478666781&swapped=true


Info about Rons other baby, and he has paid not a cent in support.......interesting schroll down to read.

The reason for being at fair?

Haleigh Flyers at the Fair (http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Haleigh-Flyers-at-the-Fair/tTFaolhcLkmN_1r1jNkhiQ.cspx)

http://www.artharris.com/       Here is the video where Misties Mother talks about the video that was in the player......

Thanks, HH. This was snipped from "The Bald Truth", so the two stories make no sense at all:

Did I drive her to school? I haven’t driven her to school in a while, actually. Her Daddy (Ronald Cummings) has been driving her to school lately.

When he’s had a long night working, or doesn’t want to get up, then I’ll drive her to school. Along with my nephew.

I have the kids 24 / 7. The only time I don’t have Haleigh is when they’re in school.

What happened that night? Ok. She lay…I put her to bed at 8 o’clock. That’s her bedtime when she has school. She didn’t’ go to sleep…She was probably asleep in about 30 minutes.I was washing her blankets.

I laid her blanket on top of her when she was sleeping. Then I made my bed and got into bed. Then I woke up about three o’clock to go to the bathroom.

On the way from the bathroom, I noticed the kitchen light was on. I walked to the back door and noticed the back door was open, so I run back to my bedcroom to get my cell phone to call Ronald and that’s when I noticed Haleigh was gone

Here is the entire link - I just find it interesting that Misty is saying HL did not go to sleep at first and then, "she was probably asleep in about 30 minutes." If HL was awake and watching a move, wouldn't Misty know that? So, this blows Mother Croslin's story (as told to MC by Misty) completely out of the water.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/17/misty-cummings-i-was-very-very-scared/#more-1250

I havent heard one of them tell the truth yet, well except Ronald with "I was at work"  and he says it so often he must be proud that he can actually say something truthful for once!

Misty has stated that the reason she put Haleigh to bed at 8 was  she needed her rest for school so why would Haleigh even be watching a movie? I wonder what time Haleigh had to get up to get ready for school?

Hi Monkeys.. I just noticed something,went to look at reports and print them and if you go to the section about the search,it appears there is a sentence blacked out. I wonder what that was? I know names and info on certain people may be, like a minor child or a phone number etc. but this appears to be an entire sentence... hate to post and run, but I have had a long few days,from truck breaking and getting ripped of at 2 different shops to finding a snake on my dryer so..... I am exhausted.....
Good night

Haleigh's school hours are: Browning-Pearce Elementary
   
8:45 a.m. - 3:00 p.m.

http://www.putnamschools.org/index/schoolhours08.html

Sorry you had a bad day.

I have no idea what you are talking about .. what reports? What search?

;-/

I wonder how far the school is from Ron's trailer? He said he picked her up at the bus stop at 3:45. He must live far away if it would take the school bus 45 minutes to drop her near Ron's.

And why would Ron or Misty (as Misty stated to Art Harris) have to drive HL to school if she takes the school bus home????? Wouldn't she school bus pick her up in the morning??

On rural routes it sometimes can take along time for kids to get home. Mine are only five miles away, but they get out at 2:55 and have to wait in gym for bus and don't get home till 4:15.  Some rural areas can get some weird bus routes going.

Because in rural areas the Bus also comes very early, and I would think that they didnt get up in time to get her on it....party animals need their sleep............These two had no business with these children...IMO

I would like to know what Ronald did on the weekend before Haleigh went missing, if Misty was gone out for the weekend I would think he was in a foul mood.

I messed the quote thingie up. sorry

Sorry, I am tired, hard to sleep knowing a snake was in the house..search, meant when they took the dogs out in the beginning. in the police report.they blacked what appears to be an entire sentence out.

mudder, it looked like a baby and knowing my luck,well, that means it has siblings somewhere here..


As far as teaching them to do laundry,they better learn fast, I am afraid to go near the dryer   ::MonkeyHaHa::


we never did find the snake after my mad dash any where but there, my son seen it briefly,went to get gloves to catch and dispose of it and when he came back in,it was gone..    ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

Well, I highly doubt he was sitting at home reading a book!! ::MonkeyWink::

Searching, (great name) - you better get to searching - Holy shit - I would not be able to sleep a wink!!!

Maybe it should be who instead of what. He does not strike me as a 1 woman man.. sorry....

You mean a 1 girl man?? ::cartwheel::

I had to take a sedative and sleep aid .. and still have not been able to sleep.. every time a pup brushes against me I come unglued thinking it's the snake..  LOL been a couple days, spent day and night looking for him, had someone come and pull all and I mean ALL my appliences out and look under them as well as any crevice it could have went in. I am afraid to open the dresser drawers too,but I have to, I just picture a scenario like the trick "peanut brittle" can,open it and the snake pops out. 

LOL yeah,that too....  ha, maybe he is a 1 man man.... j/k he has to many babies running around to even think that.  :) someone needs to weld all his zippers shut.

Ah!!! Gotcha now.

Yes, I noticed the blacking out of a name and also of a whole sentence. I tried to "read through it," but I cannot. I am assuming the name blacking out is a minor or just a mistake.

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Well, if it's been a couple of days the snake may be gone. I thought this happened tonight - so you should rest easy! Do you have any clue what kind it was because it may not have been poisonous. My son killed a rat snake a few weeks ago - the thing was hissing away and I was freaking. I immediately went online and looked it up - was non-venemous but at the time, it didn't matter. Did you see the colors???? And, stay away from the damned peanut brittle!! Are monkeys normally afraid of snakes?? ::MonkeyTongue::

I believe the name blacked out is Jr. I just find it odd to black a entire sentence out in the middle of the K9 search information.

I left a message in Adji's thread for you.  :)

Didn't Misty's sister-in-law show up at 4am after Misty called her?  And would also love to know what time Nieves arrived there and what is blacked out. And why didn't Ron tell LE that Crystal is the bio mom? Which leads me to believe Nieves hot-tailed it over there. I think this was all staged and Ron called his mother before Misty called 911.

He seemed awful cozy in my house, we stood guard and never seen him leave the room/area so I think he is hiding.. They say it was a very baby rattler..explains why I kept hearing THAT noise huh... lol, no way am I opening a can of peanut brittle..

Ahh I also heard it earlier.. it is still hear somewhere,just can not seem to find it... I hate snakes...

Wow!!! You may have to call an exterminator - I think they handle snakes - or is it just insects???

Lucky, according to the police report neves (sp) arrived while officers were there.

Not sure, but my laundry room is not the same... I am so afraid of snakes.. you prolly would have laughed at me running from that thing. I still do not remember going over the baby gate....

Got your message, Searching.

Guess I need more info from Dolce, if she wants me to design the back.

Maybe the printers will do the text for the back. I'll await word from her about it.

Sorry for the O/T folks.

Right, but in a Greta interview, Nieves told Greta that she lives 12 miles away and that Ron called her at 3:27 and she was at Ron's in five minutes. There is just no way!!!

Ha maybe she seen a snake in her house too   ::MonkeyLaugh::

Oh No.....that snake would have just bought himself a house if it were me, no way would I still be there, no way.....

People that visit prolly think I am geekin on dope the way I constantly look around.. That snake is NOT sneaking up on me.. no way.

Sorry for off topic as well..


Sorry I could not help more, I looked and she does plan on having the number and stuff on the back in english,spanish and creole.

Ok, goodnight monkeys.
praying for good news in this case soon.

I know, but.. that's where I have been after the first week, and the stories started changing, and finally came to a conclusion when Ron went off at Geraldo.  I had a couple of wonders.  Did they check, Misty's alarm clock?  And did they check her cell phone? And the Calls in and out from the House Phone?

If Ron was seen buying gas during the middle of the night. One he could claim he had to buy gas on his way home..  But, was he returning home early from work and why?  one statement said she called him, another that he was surprised to find her up, because normally she is asleep when he gets home.  I have seen the posted schedule for the work place, but don't know his normal schedule.

As to the part about her calling him & him being surprised that she was up, what I remember is that he said she was calling him on his cell phone but he didn't answer because he was right close to home.  I think he might have even said pulling in the driveway at the time she was calling.  And then he went on to say he was surprised that she was up that time of the morning because she's usually asleep. 

I think it would be a safe bet that LE has checked both of their cell phones.  Seems like we've heard they didn't have a landline.
BG
 

Why is the scratch so important, because if it was there earlier it could be explained, But, if it occurred that night, then that is one more thing that can't be explained and could be a lead to what actually occurred. So, yes this would be a panic because it becomes part of the case, and takes away from their story.  And it did become part of the case, that's why the LE grabbed the van and searched it for evidence.  One of those little things that was overlooked. If the scratch was caused by brush or tree limbs,  then there may have been brush and debrie in the under carriage of the vehicle, and tires. Also, tracked leaves, brush into the van from the area.  Plus, if the LE did check the area up next to the side of the house, they could actually have photographed the tire prints in the grass impressions, comparing those with the van tires.

Unless, the vehicle he was pumping gas in was the Van...

Does this mean that his cell phone doesn't work when he is right close to home?  If he was driving up and she was calling him, and his cell phone was ringing, he would have seen the call. And young people today designate songs or sounds to incoming calls. So, the minute the cell phone starts to ring, they know auto who is calling..  Hey, I have kids and grands, this is a big thing.  Why would he be surprised to see her standing in the doorway, awake?  I know this sounds like I am nitpicking, but its little things that prove truth versus lies. So far their stories have so many holes already there.   Now, would it be more important for Ron to have an Alibi, than Misty?  Why would Ron need an Alibi?  Remember, I don't know, cause I was at Work....

Next time you leap over the fence give me a yell, I want to go too.. You came back with a bit of juicy stuff. Bet, there is more out there....

Good morning Monkies!


My take on it Rose is that LE took the tape for fingerprint purposes, since Misty claims that the tape had been changed from that she had put on for Haleigh

Search For Haleigh Continues Into Sixth Week

Investigators, Community Still Hopeful In Search For Haleigh

POSTED: Tuesday, March 24, 2009
UPDATED: 8:37 pm EDT March 24, 2009


PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- It has been nearly a month and a half since the family of Haleigh Cummings last saw the 5-year-old girl.

The search for the child was on Tuesday in its 43rd day, and investigators in Putnam County said they still have no good clues as to where the kindergartner might be.

"We're not frustrated. We're trying to stay positive. We have to," said Putnam County Sheriff's Office Lt. Johnny Greenwood.

What happened to Haleigh continues to puzzle investigators and the community.

"We are still conducting interviews with people that's names have turned up during the other investigations. I really can't go into the names of those people at this time, but we are currently conducting interviews with people as we speak," Greenwood said. "We are hopeful. That's what we have -- hope."

In the 43 days that have passed since Haleigh's disappearance, local, state and federal investigators along with volunteers have searched for answers both inside and outside Putnam County.

Detectives have questioned dozens of witnesses, including Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, and her mother, Crystal Sheffield. Cumming's new wife, Misty, has undergone hours of interviews and several polygraph tests.

Still there are no answers as to what happened to Haleigh.

Haleigh's parents have both moved out of the makeshift camps they set up near the home where Haleigh was last seen.

Although Haleigh has been missing for six weeks, the community has not forgot her.

"We're a very small and a very community-oriented town. Everybody knows everybody, so we are very in tune with what's going on with her," said Putnam County business Michelle Robertson.

"I always have her in my mind and in my heart. I'm praying that hopefully everything will be OK. There's nothing too hard for God," said Putnam County resident Latosha Johnson.

Fliers with the girl's pictures and reward information remain posted all over town, and a billboard at the Putnam County Emergency Operation Center still has Haleigh's Amber Alert information.

Anyone who has any information that could help find Haleigh is asked to call Crimestoppers at 888-277-TIPS.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/19005967/detail.html#-

Just popping in before I go to get a haircut ... I'm coming down with a cold.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I don't just get a COLD when I get sick, I get SICK!!  I have fibromyalgia and lupus, along with a host of other goodies, so my immune system stinks!  I'm not looking forward to this!

I see there's nothing new ... UGH, where the HECK is Haleigh .. and what are her 'parents' doing to find her????   ::MonkeyNoNo::

OK ... see you guys later today, if I don't keel over from some unknown mutant germs first.
 ::cartwheel::

     tom wrote:
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I thought mistys 3 day bender with greg page was revealed in the first interviews with LE? Cobra didnt dig up anything new, right?
    The more visitors , searchers, and followers of this case the more things get obscured. It makes it a lot easier for the pedophile to move around unnoticed. He can visit haleighs websites and look at her pictures without sticking out because so many people are doing this. might be why jon bonet case was so hard to solve.

Misssherriff wrote: It started off that Misty was not at the home that night for some odd hours (thought that right off the bat when she didn't know what clothing she had on, doesn't take a genius)
and then some locals and friends said R&M broke up and were surprised when this all aired.
Kids talk at that age, mentioned she was partying and such but not proven to be true.
Then Cobra came, heck, we don't even know if we figured out this Page guy is even the same guy, so no Cobra didn't break this part, just followed it But he did find out the circle of friends and got the timeline done to 10:30pm And got LE to get that screen door off the house.

Crystal spilled it all to Picazio and Cobra as any mother would, she don't care about protecting her past or present lifestyle, just finding Haleigh.

http://www.topix.com/city/satsuma-fl/2009/02/missing-5-year-old-florida-girl-likely-was-abducted-police-say/p894

Take care AprilShowers, hope your illness gets as bad as you describe.

Good Morning and thank-you  ::MonkeyWink::

Take care  ::MonkeyWink::

I find it ODD that when LE took tapes or DVD's (not sure exactly what they took), but WHY would they LEAVE ONE IN THE DVD PLAYER??  The DVD that was in the player was not the one Misty said they were watching.  Grama Neves said when they did the inside video, showed the player being opened and she commented that the DVD was a favorite of Haleigh's. 

 ::MonkeyShocked:: Heart? typo?  I do the typos all the time..my brain and fingers do not communicate fully and the fingers type different then what I am thinking.


 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Dang!  Heart is a big meanie this morning...lol.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: Kidding.

Right, it doesn't make sense for LE to replace it with another.  Did the C family know LE had taken the video at the time they were cleaning the trailer?  Did they toss a movie in the DVD player to verify Misty's story?

...and has it been verified that they actually took a DVD movie?

HALEIGH'S SCHOOL (with the arrow) IS CLOSE TO WHERE GREG L. PAGE LIVES!


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More inconsistencies:

The van...
We've wondered who the van belongs to, and not sure if that's been confirmed by LE or not. 

Early in the case we heard the van was Lindsy's, who lives in walking distance thru the woods just behind Ron/Misty. 

Then from that interview with Chelsea, seems the van was parked at her home that night (Chelsea), who lives a bit further away, not walking distance.  (?)  In that interview, Chelsea says the van was not parked the way she had left it earlier before going to bed. 

After that interview, we've heard from Misty's family that the van belongs to the family
and whoever needs it, drives it. 

We also heard in another interview at some point, that the van belongs to Misty.

Misty driving...

Early on, Misty said in interviews that she took Haleigh to school on the mornings that Ron didn't want to get up. 

By the way.. Misty does not have a FL driver's license.  (there are some strigent rules in FL for these DLs, for those under 18.) 

It's been reported in at least one other interview that Misty would also take her nephew to school/bus stop, along with Haleigh, as well as pick them up at times.  Kids (plural).

Locals report that they have seen Misty driving that van, many times.  And in particular, the weekend before Haleigh went missing.

It's been reported in sev. interviews that Ron picked Haleigh up from the bus stop on that Monday.  Although in another interview, Ron's mom said she picked Haleigh up that day.  And locals who were supposedly at the bus stop that day, have reported that Misty picked Haleigh up that day. 

It's been reported in interviews lately by her family, that Misty does not drive.  Although early on, Misty herself said that she does.  (who does her family think they are kidding?  surely not LE!)

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Seems most of the inconsistencies in this case so far, have been about little things that one wouldn't think would matter much.  Things that when asked, seem would normally have very simple automatic answers, even if one was under huge stress. 

Such as.. who picked Haleigh up from the bus stop that day?   

Such as.. who owns the van.. who drives it?   

And because there are so many different answers about who picked Haleigh up that day, who drives the van, who does it belong it.... just makes so many of us wonder WTF??  Why does it seem that so many of them (Ron/family as well as Misty/family) cannot get their stories straight on EVEN the simplest of these questions/answers?? 

If we follow that reasoning out... WHAT does it seem they are ALL scrambling to hide??? 

Seems to me that if LE can nail down who actually picked Haleigh up that day, and who actually drove that van when/where that night.. they likely will be able to nail down their timeframe much better.

All IMO.

 

Yes, I jumped over the fence this morning.. and ran into an article.. If this doesn't put things into perspective.. What could.

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Allegations are raised about Ronald Cummings
February 25, 2009 in John H. Gohde | Tags: Haleigh, Haleigh Cummings, Jane Velez-Mitchell, John H. Gohde, Judge Jeanine Pirro, Nancy Grace, Ronald Cummings, Velez-Mitchell | by John H. Gohde

Suspensions have been recently raised about Ronald Cummings’ connection to drugs. There are at least nine arrests for drugs on his rap sheet, but no convictions. Suggestions have been made that Haleigh could have been abducted in revenge for Ron’s drug activities.


Jane Velez-Mitchell, unlike Nancy Grace, actually had some breaking news on her last show. She did a good job at sketching out Ronnald Cummings’ connection to drugs. While the authorities have been denying it, it is entirely possible that Ron either was or currently is a drug informant.

Judge Jeanine Pirro, former district attorney and host of “The Judge Jeanine Pirro Show”: “I`ve got his rap sheet in front of me. This guy has been arrested at least nine times. He`s 25 years old. I`ve got him on probation three times, and it sounds to me, and I`ve got to tell you, Vinnie, it`s starting to make sense to me. For him to have so many dismissals, ultimately, and a refusal to go into drug programs with arrests for cocaine, as well as for marijuana, tells me he`s cooperating.”

Furthermore, members of Haleigh’s family are starting to publicly act like they are indeed afraid of somebody who might be seeking revenge.

Teresa Neves, the paternal grandmother:“I — I cannot — that — Nancy [Grace], that`s things that we (INAUDIBLE) with the detectives. I don`t feel like any of that information ever should have been released because I feel like you put my grandson in danger when you say, you know, that he can identify somebody or that he`s giving clues on somebody.”

Was that an allegation against Nancy Grace being made by Teresa? This is more of an indication that the family members may not be telling all that they know, out of fear for their safety.
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Now, if he was on probation for anything.. that means there was a conviction. They don't put your backside on probation, unless you have been charged and convicted of an offense.. Bottom Line.. And is it possible, that Haleigh went missing between School and Home? And the rest is the best story they could come up with.  Another tid bit, re read the commentaries of Ron and Cobra. "Ron stated, he was keeping Misty until Haleigh came home" Then the secondary comment "Keeping your enemies closer".  Would this be a reason for the family to protect Misty?  Who does she really belong to?

Thanks HH!  I checked this myspace blog out last night before hitting the sack.  Guess who it belongs to?  That woman "advocate" (forget her name now) who came out there and locked herself in the trailer, who was sent packing. 

And most interesting is the fact that this morning, that site is either down, or made private.  LOL 

The info on there about Amber and Jordan (def. Ron's baby), was very interesting! 

HH, did you by chance get a screenshot of that page? 

It was said in there that Jordan has the same middle name as Jr.  (Is it actually Jr? lol)  Also said that Jordan also has a genetic birth defect.  :(  That Amber got the heck away from Ron, two weeks after Jordan was born.  That she wants NO child support from Ron, she wants NO contact with him or his family.  That no one from Ron's family has contacted her in all this time, until just recently.   

That's all I can remember off the top of my head.

Just think it's interesting that "the advocate's" myspace/blog either went down or was made private just after the addy for it was posted here.   ::MonkeyConfused::

Thanks Mudder! 

From the above link:

EAST PALATKA, Fla. - Walking into the Putnam County fair, one can't help but notice the bright lights and the wild rides.
But some are hoping fairgoers will also notice the smiling face on flyers hanging at the entrance gate.
On them is a picture of five-year-old Haleigh Cummings, the Satsuma kindergartner who was last seen at her family home February 9th.

"You need to keep it in everybody's minds and keep everybody diligent and looking and hopefully catch a break somewhere. Maybe somebody has seen something or will see something," said James White, who was at the fair Monday night with his grandchildren.

Haleigh's family friends are putting out the flyers.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office has a booth set up at the fair where they are handing out flyers and making sure people know they are available in case anyone wants to come forward with information about Haleigh's whereabouts.

"We hope that something will trigger their memories or they may have seen Haleigh or seen something that they believe is a tip and we can follow up on it and our whole objective is to bring Haleigh home to her parents," said Captain Dominic Piscitello, who is supervising the investigation.

Many people in the small community are hopeful Haleigh is out there and that with her picture shown, she may one day come home to a fun filled family night like others at the fair are experiencing.

"Hopefully she could still be out there, hopefully she still is out there and who knows if somebody has her when they might decide to bring her back into the open and it is important that people remember what she looks like," said Kathy Breed, who took her kids to the fair Monday night.

Haleigh's family friends say they will hand out flyers at the fair every night.

The 59th Annual Putnam County Fair is held at 117 Yelvington Road in East Palatka.  It goes until March 28. "

In other Palatka news:

Four indicted in three area slayings

By Larry Sullivan
Published: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:26 AM EDT
Four people have been indicted in connection with three Palatka slayings.

The indictments, returned by a grand jury late Monday and announced on Tuesday, include the man accused in the murder two weeks ago of an 8-year-old boy and two slayings that occurred in 2007.

"This is the culmination of a lot of old-fashioned police work, hitting the bricks, trying to track leads down and get information," Police Chief Gary Getchell said.

Getchell praised the "hard work and determination on the part of the officers involved."

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The grand jury's charges:

� Anthony Jerome Hill, 25, of Palatka, first-degree murder in the Feb. 17 shooting death of James Willis II.

Police said Willis, 39, was shot and killed in front of his parents' home at 2009 Eagle St. in an apparent robbery. The case was investigated by detectives Tom Tipton and Mike Meredith.

� Gytonia Cheek, 28, and Quritus T. Lowe III, 21, both of Palatka, first-degree murder in the Dec. 25, 2007, beating death of retired teacher Myrtle McKinney.

A nephew found the body of McKinney, 58, in her Forest Glen apartment after she failed to answer calls. Cheek and Lowe were arrested June 26, 2008, after an investigation by detective Andrew Snyder.

� Zachariah Williams, 22, of Palatka, first-degree murder in the March 10 stabbing death of Dayquones Hill.

Hill, 8, was killed in his College Arms Gardens apartment. Motive for the slaying is under investigation.

Williams also was indicted on a charge of aggravated battery for stabbing Palatka police officer Todd Bryant in the face after the child had been attacked.

Getchell said he was especially pleased the indictments cleared the Eagle Street shooting.

"That's been lingering for almost two years and now we can close it out," he said. "A lot of man hours have been put into this."

Getchell praised newly elected State Attorney R.J. Larizza with supporting the department's efforts to resolve the lingering cases.

"I'm just impressed with our new state attorney and the team he has assembled," Getchell said.

lsullivan@palatkadailynews.com

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Note to self .NEVER drive through Putnam County ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yikes!!  Searching!!   ::MonkeyEek::  Hope you called an exterminator, or or or.. animal control, or or or.. 911?   Please watch yer step, and carry a big stick!   ::MonkeyTongue::

I've read thru the next sev pages, so am current on what everyone has said on this.  Seems to me that on the police report, the person #5 who was blacked out, likely was someone who made a statement of sorts that LE included in that report.  Either underage, as in Jr., or a neighbor.  Dunno.  Evidently Chelsea and maybe other family members were there as well.  The little blacked out line above to the right, looks like a reference to Misty's brothers home, where (in later interviews) it was said that Misty would take the kids for a walk at times.  I guess that whole paragraph, couple of sentences, that was blacked out, was something someone said, or an action taken by LE, that LE didn't want the public to be aware of yet. 

At first I thought it was simply where LE had sent the search dogs, so as not to give away the location of where the dogs had originally been sent.  Except.... in that police report, they don't mention the dogs arriving until a few paragraphs below that blacked out area.  Which makes me think it wasn't the location then. 

Guess when there is an arrest made, this blacked out section will be made available under the Sunshine Law? 

Oh my Monkeys!

I guess I can't chew gum and walk at the same time  ::MonkeyLaugh::

AprilShowers you have my best interest in my mind, just not in my typing.

Get well soon!

I agree, mymonkey! 

My oldest Granddaughter will be heading down near the gulf area on spring break..  And I am scared to death of her going down there.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

The Gulf area is fine , just a bunch of good-ol-boy rednecks like me . I should not have put down putnam county either ,Probably some great folks that live there .
We only hear about the bad few .

 Oh Searching I really feel for you. Twice I have had a snake in my laundry room & for the life of me have never been able to find out how they got in.

I hope no one has already told you this, but if you put moth balls behind, in or around the dryer area, it will keep them away. I was also told to put them under & around the house to deter them. At my Lowe's they sell a snake repellent, very high priced, and one of the ingredients happen to be what they use in moth balls. I hate the smell, but would rather be snake free, so have learned to tolerate the smell! And I have not seen a snake since. ::MonkeyRoll:: Back to lurking & catching up

Yeppers Lucky, Chelsea said she got called at 4a, ran out and hopped in the van and went right over.  Of course, she also supposedly said elsewhere that she got the call but didn't go over til like 5:30.. So...  ::MonkeyConfused:: 

Good question on why Ron didn't tell LE that Crystal is the bio mom.  And Misty telling the 911 operator that "our daughter" was missing.  Well, whatever all that was about, Ron's mom told LE who was what, etc.  Interesting that in the police report, it was said by Gma Neves, that Ron and Crystal were not having a custody dispute.  Although that's not exactly how she put it in later interviews. 

For Gma Neves to be living what, 27 miles away or so? seems it sure would take her more than 5 minutes to get to Ron's home.  For her to have arrived by 3:30a (which is what I've heard her say in interviews, at least once), Misty would have had to have called her.  Cuz remember, Ron supposedly didn't know a thing til he got home at 3:27a (which is only one of the times he has reported getting home).  But Ron says he called his mom.  And in the 911 call/s we do hear him saying to Misty 'give me my phone'.  (Am thinking that's when he called his mom. 

Early media reports have Gma Neves arriving at the home just after LE got there, have heard about 3:50a arrival time for both.  While in other media reports, arrival time for both is much earlier, like around 3:30a.  Which doesn't make ANY sense at all, for either.  Even LE in a screaming squad car, lights blazing, would take more than 3 minutes to get all the way out to Ron's.  The 3:50a arrival for Gma Neves makes more sense, considering that she had to throw on some clothes, get to the car, and her drive time, even if she was speeding, which I would have been too. 

Not sure how quickly LE could have gotten there speeding the whole way as they can.  Has anyone measured the distance from the local LE dept. to Ron's home?  Of course, they could have had a squad car out and about which could have gotten there faster than from the dept. itself.  Just curious if a 23 minute or so arrival time for LE would be considered in that area as 'quickly' or 'hella slow'.  Often in a rural community, arrival times fluctuate. 

Out in Cali, if one gets an arrival time of an hour, that's considered lucky.  In a small town here in Nebraska, we tend to get an arrival time of 5 minutes at the very slowest. 

But anyway, seems to me that if Ron actually got home at 3:27a, had Misty call 911, then called his mom, there's no way she could have arrived by 3:30a, unless Misty had already called her way earlier.  Which if so, begs the question, why didn't she call Ron earlier?  If she did, neither of them say so.  And if so, who else could Misty have called earlier?   ::MonkeyEek::
 

 Very interesting point Mlee!