Natalee Case Discussion #839 6/14/10 - 6/17/10

[SunnyinTX]

Posted on the front page of SM - likely SATIRE:

Goggle dutch to english
Joran: “Freedom for sensation”
June 16, 2010 By: The Editors

DELETED - WAS SATIRE AND DON'T WANT TO CONFUSE

HUH?????????????????????

[loca]

Joran play casino with 'Clown'

Already passed the shock caused him to enter prison, and now, as cold cell, tries to adjust to her new life. The first thing the murderer Dutchman Joran van der Sloot (23), in the prison "Castro Castro", was friends with the Trujillo Alejandro Ospina Colombian hit man, 'Clown', who even plays casino.

According to sources from INPE, starting amical relationship was not difficult as the murderer of Stephany Flores (21) fluent in Castilian. Sometimes he even jokes and the murderer of the businessman said Myriam Fefer 'I'm a thug and you're a psychotic. "

Joran, 'Clown' and Luis Valdez Villacorta, former mayor Coronel Portillo, accused of money laundering, occupy three of the seven cells Prevention Pavilion. They are there because someone can kill them.

The same sources indicated that the murderer of Stephany and accepts the offered food and was quieter note. Your emotional state would have improved even more after learning his mother, Anita van der Sloot, and be in the country and go to visit him today, taking advantage of women is a day of visits.

Advocate resignation
On the other hand, his lawyer Highness Max Navarro decided not to defend it because he has received death threats and his family are victims of abuse.

Given this fact, there was speculation yesterday that the lawyer Cesar Nakasaki assume the defense of the alien, but this is expected to be approved by the mother of the accused.

In addition, today reported that the proceedings be scheduled in the lawsuit against Joran, including the reconstruction of the crime.

http://www.trome.com/tonline/Html/2010-06-15/ontractualidad1095179.html

am I reading this correctly?  mommy is in peru and will be visiting her monster today??  hello???

That is the way I read it.  She is taking advantage of woman's visiting day which means Bertha does the cavity search rather than Bubba?

toooooo funnyyyyyyy rose

[SunnyinTX]

Joran play casino with 'Clown'

Already passed the shock caused him to enter prison, and now, as cold cell, tries to adjust to her new life. The first thing the murderer Dutchman Joran van der Sloot (23), in the prison "Castro Castro", was friends with the Trujillo Alejandro Ospina Colombian hit man, 'Clown', who even plays casino.

According to sources from INPE, starting amical relationship was not difficult as the murderer of Stephany Flores (21) fluent in Castilian. Sometimes he even jokes and the murderer of the businessman said Myriam Fefer 'I'm a thug and you're a psychotic. "

Joran, 'Clown' and Luis Valdez Villacorta, former mayor Coronel Portillo, accused of money laundering, occupy three of the seven cells Prevention Pavilion. They are there because someone can kill them.

The same sources indicated that the murderer of Stephany and accepts the offered food and was quieter note. Your emotional state would have improved even more after learning his mother, Anita van der Sloot, and be in the country and go to visit him today, taking advantage of women is a day of visits.

Advocate resignation
On the other hand, his lawyer Highness Max Navarro decided not to defend it because he has received death threats and his family are victims of abuse.

Given this fact, there was speculation yesterday that the lawyer Cesar Nakasaki assume the defense of the alien, but this is expected to be approved by the mother of the accused.

In addition, today reported that the proceedings be scheduled in the lawsuit against Joran, including the reconstruction of the crime.

http://www.trome.com/tonline/Html/2010-06-15/ontractualidad1095179.html

am I reading this correctly?  mommy is in peru and will be visiting her monster today??  hello???

That is the way I read it.  She is taking advantage of woman's visiting day which means Bertha does the cavity search rather than Bubba?

I am not convinced about the cavity search thing.....how many women would submit themselves to that???  I think there was something lost in the translation

[RoxiBalboa]

Klaas, not sure what the article is trying to say but I do know I just got really sick to my stomach

I'm sure it's satire.  Maybe I should delete it. What do you think?

Looks that way. Shocked me at first. But it is Wednesday (see sig. line below)

[blah]

Klaas, not sure what the article is trying to say but I do know I just got really sick to my stomach

So WTF is he going to kill a new girl every year so they have a new story every year for 10 years??

[SunnyinTX]

Good lord, his bags have bags, who know bags - and then packed their bags!

Those Pisco Sours are like a time machine.

Yes, you could pack a week's groceries in those bags!  But it's the expression that is so chilling.  Glad I didn't see this right before going to sleep!  He is definitely nightmare material.

there is no soul in his eyes....it's as though they are 2 abysses

[SunnyinTX]

Ono......don't ever stop asking.....some of us are oldtimers and forget not everyone was here from the beginning.  I would not like to be in the dark!!
[/quote]

LOL-Sunny, I've been here for five years ...lol
[/quote]

sorry.... I should have said that differently....some of us gradually stopped posting in Nat's thread....me included...I had given up that Natalee's remain would ever be found..when I would come back to the thread, I was lost most of the time......but I never lost the HOPE that Natalee would be found....I checked in  tried to look for some hope.....but usually left confused as hell.....but those that stayed, never giving up...plugging away daily....those are in my mind...the oldtimers....so I should have used a different term......HEROES perhaps..
[/quote]


TexasMom is the true Hero.  She has kept this forum going during the slowest and most discouraging times.
[/quote]

thanks TexasMom......and all the other heroes here at SM!

[Scatty]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/14/ng.01.html

[/quote]

Sorry for the quote with no point to it - I am  new here and learning how to post.  Nancy can be annoying but she gets right to the point.  Maybe Ludwick will stop flapping his gums now.  Although I hope not because it is mildly entertaining
[/quote]

Thanks for the transcripts link Almamaana. NG was in top form and really skewered the fool. He was so totally out of his depth and showed himself for the utterly ridiculous excuse for a human that he is.
GRACE: We are taking your calls live. With us is a special guest, John Ludwick is a friend of Joran Van Der Sloot. He`s joining us from Washington, D.C. tonight.

Mr. Ludwick, are you from the states?

MR. LUDWICK, FRIEND OF MURDER SUSPECT, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, I`m from Alexandria, Virginia.

GRACE: And do your parents know of your friendship with Joran Van Der Sloot?

LUDWICK: Yes, they do.

GRACE: And what do they think of it?

LUDWICK: I mean, they have mixed opinions. But, I mean, he`s my friend and it`s my choice.

GRACE: Right. When you say mixed opinions, what do you mean by that?

LUDWICK: Because of the past alleged incident. I mean --

GRACE: Please put Mr. Ludwick up.

Mr. Ludwick, he`s confessed to breaking somebody`s neck -- a girl`s neck -- and then taking her clothes off after she is dead. And then it says, I used the comforter and the sheets to clean up all the blood from the floor. I only cleaned the floor. He left the rest of the room just bloody.

You know another can of worms. Here is an e-mail exchange between you and Joran Van Der Sloot where he says, happy birthday, I hope you had a good day. This is May 29.

And remember how important family and friends are. By the way, can you send me some money through Western Union tomorrow? Remember that?

LUDWICK: Yes, I do.

GRACE: Did you send him money?

LUDWICK: No, I didn`t. He had told me -- that was the evening of May 29th and I guess the alleged event happened later -- a few hours later into the 30th. But he told me he needed money to get back to Aruba. So, I mean, before I had a chance to help him out, I couldn`t get ahold of him. And then the news said what it said.

GRACE: Sir, it`s not just the news said what it said. The news is not like a being walking around this studio that just spouts things off. The news is what he did and said. It`s just not -- didn`t fall from the sky and hit you on the head.

This is what Joran Van Der Sloot said. But, sir, obviously, you`re going to choose to believe what you want to believe. What, if anything, did he tell you about Natalee Holloway?

LUDWICK: We only had one main discussion on it. And it was an evening that we watched the Natalee Holloway movie on TV. And he just told me parts of the movie that were true and parts that weren`t true. And that`s about at length as I want to get into it.

GRACE: Did you ask him more things?

LUDWICK: No, I didn`t bring it up. He talked to me about it. But I`m not -- I don`t want to get into any more of that.

GRACE: You mean, you don`t want to tell me more about it, right? Or you didn`t want to get into more of it with him?

LUDWICK: No, I don`t want to bring that up at this time.

GRACE: Well, I would advise you to get ready for a subpoena to find out in a court of law what he had to say about Natalee Holloway`s death.
…
GRACE: To you, Mr. Ludwick, what kind of things would you do together?

LUDWICK: Mainly we went to the casino and he liked to play poker. I just watched or played slots. But he really -- I`d say he had a gambling addiction. But he`d play poker almost every night.

GRACE: Did he ever mention where he got the money? Did he ever mention he was in the middle of a shakedown on the dead girl`s mother for $250,000 to name where the dead girl`s body is?

LUDWICK: I know he had money because he ran a coffee shop in Thailand. So he had some money saved for that. But after a while, his money started running low. And that`s when I guess the contact happened with that.

GRACE: What contact?

LUDWICK: That`s when I guess he tried to contact John Kelly or Beth Holloway and that stuff happened when he ran out -- started running out of money.

GRACE: Mr. Ludwick, why do you say he tried to contact them? What he tried to do was extort $250,000 in exchange for the location of Natalee`s body. It would seem to me that you would be concerned that he knew where a dead body was? If you knew where a dead body was, Mr. Ludwick, wouldn`t you tell police?

LUDWICK: Not if it compromised me, maybe not.

GRACE: Well, OK, obviously -- I learned, I think, in kindergarten two plus two equals four. But if Van Der Sloot won`t tell where the body is because it compromises him, that means he`s involved in the murder.

Did that not bother you during all the months you were out at casinos with him?

LUDWICK: I mean I was never in fear for my safety, I mean.

GRACE: I guess it`s because you weren`t a young girl high on a date rape drug.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/14/ng.01.html

[Ono]

Eyes of a shark-cold & deadly.

[Ono]

Ono......don't ever stop asking.....some of us are oldtimers and forget not everyone was here from the beginning.  I would not like to be in the dark!!

LOL-Sunny, I've been here for five years ...lol
[/quote]

sorry.... I should have said that differently....some of us gradually stopped posting in Nat's thread....me included...I had given up that Natalee's remain would ever be found..when I would come back to the thread, I was lost most of the time......but I never lost the HOPE that Natalee would be found....I checked in  tried to look for some hope.....but usually left confused as hell.....but those that stayed, never giving up...plugging away daily....those are in my mind...the oldtimers....so I should have used a different term......HEROES perhaps..
[/quote]


TexasMom is the true Hero.  She has kept this forum going during the slowest and most discouraging times.
[/quote]

thanks TexasMom......and all the other heroes here at SM!
[/quote]

Thanks to all the heroes from me as well. 

[Anna]

Does anyone know what Chris Cuomo said on The View?  He's the one with the journal.

If it's that little Aline's, I  dont think I care what's in it.

.

[carpe noctem]

Van der Sloot update: Arubans to question him in August

CNN has just learned that Aruban investigators will likely not travel to Peru to question murder suspect Joran van der Sloot until at least the end of August, prosecutor Peter Blanken said.

Investigators from Aruba will not be able to question van der Sloot until Peruvian authorities finish their probe of the May 30 slaying of Stephany Flores, Blanken said. The formalities of Peruvian law also will determine the time frame, the prosecutor said.

Aruban and Peruvian authorities agreed to "help each other" in the Flores case. Investigators hope the cooperation will lead to new information about the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway in 2005 in Aruba for which Van der Sloot is suspected.

Following a phone meeting with Peruvian Judge Carlos Morales on Tuesday morning, Aruban government spokesman Taco Stein said Peruvian authorities have agreed to allow Aruban investigators into Peru to interview van der Sloot once a formal request has been made.

Van der Sloot is believed to be housed in Peru's Castro Castro prison which is infamous for its violence. One expert described the lock-up as "entering the gates of hell."

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/16/van-der-sloot-update-august-questioning/

[OneHappyChica]

Am I reading this correctly? Anita now has sufficient funds to travel to Peru, pay off the resigning attorney, retain a new attorney, and receive a cavity search? I'm guessing the cost of travel and legal fees pales in comparison to the search!

[carpe noctem]

Zippy will be dead by August.

Cause of death: seco de pollo de fulminato diarreah-o

lol

He`s a goner!

[Lifesong]

TexasMom is the true Hero.  She has kept this forum going during the slowest and most discouraging times.

Yes.  This is true.

God Bless you, Texasmom!

Does anyone know what Chris Cuomo said on The View?  He's the one with the journal.

If it's that little Aline's, I  dont think I care what's in it.

It's Melody's.

[msmarple]

Bearly made a good point last night: If this John Ludwick idiot has wired Joran the money, Joran wouldn't have needed to rob Stephany. (Following Greta's convoluted logic.)

Jo-An - Fawlty Towers!

[Anna]

If I were Aruban officials, I wouldn't buy that ticket to Peru just yet.  You can never tell.  Something might come up that they won't be needing it after all.

.

[nonesuche]

Does anyone know what Chris Cuomo said on The View?  He's the one with the journal.

If it's that little Aline's, I  dont think I care what's in it.

.

Hi Anna-

He actually held the diary in hand during the discussion. Very little new except to promote this diary being featured in this Friday's 20/20.

Cuomo called Joran a sociopath and said he's spoken with experts who feel Joran might not even know the "truth" of what happened to Natalee any longer, due to the many, many lies he's told regarding it.

He tried to advance that Joran became more twisted after he was accused of murder of Natalee, that post that even he felt he could not escape it and therefore it drove him to live a very dark life. (cry me a river)

He also said he had viewed all 27 hours of De Vries tapes of Joran's car confession and that he felt when he watched it, that perhaps this was the 'truth' - that Natalee had a seizure and they put her into the ocean.

[Lifesong]

I'm a bit behind, so I apologize if this has already been posted.  Steph Watts has a new blog up today:

http://stephww.wordpress.com/2010/06/16/aruba-cnn-got-it-wrong/

[nonesuche]

TexasMom is the true Hero.  She has kept this forum going during the slowest and most discouraging times.

Yes.  This is true.

God Bless you, Texasmom!

Does anyone know what Chris Cuomo said on The View?  He's the one with the journal.

If it's that little Aline's, I  dont think I care what's in it.

It's Melody's.

Was Melody his first girlfriend? I can't remember but Cuomo stated it was his FIRST girlfriend in Aruba.