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I think CBB did such a good job on my Avatar.  Anna does Goth well, haha!

Yes, she did.  She's the best!

LEGALLYLEX

BFN
Quote from: LegallyLex on April 03, 2008, 07:42:52 PM

John, a lot of BFN posters have asked me how much money would be needed to complete the search. Can you provide an estimate on what amount would be needed?

It is very difficult to say, since Louis has not selected a ROV vessel and we do not know how much of a humanitarian discount we can count on by the vessel and ROV owners, but my guess is that we will be looking at around 1 million dollars.

2 1/2 years later.....

JOHN SILVETTI

jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »

The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount ...

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979

LOUIS SCHAEFER

Holloway searchers need help
Thursday, February 28, 2008 | 8:21 PM

A Kemah businessman has been on the front lines of the search for Natalee, spending over a million dollars of his own money. Over the past four months, he's paid for an underwater search.
 
The morning we were there, Louis Schafer was signing a wire transfer for $250,000. The money used to operate a sophisticated, deep sea survey boat, named the Persistence.

"I've dedicated a million dollars, I've gone way above that," said Louis Schafer of Underwater Expeditions. "I feel like it's time to ask for help from the American people that want to see this case solved."

Natalee Holloway traveled to Aruba two years ago to celebrate her high school graduation and disappeared. Natalee was last seen with Joran Van der Sloot who says he does not know what happened to her.

Schafer made a fortune in the deep sea diving business for oil rig removal and installation. He had access to unique technology and a team of experts that could find just about anything.
 
"So we have completely mapped the ocean floor, we know every object that's there, we know every object that could be a container holding her in the sea," he said.

A relentless search Schafer and his team say will stop, if they don't get more funding.

"And we all feel, I'm speaking from everybody on the team, that she's in one of the targets we have not looked at yet," Tim Trahan of Underwater Expeditions said. "We can't stop. I go to sleep at night thinking we've located it, we just need to get to it."

The search of the rest of those targets will stop this week. For more information on how you can help,

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=5988951

I will repeat my opinion from the last thread as I think some don't read back.

This entire deal with SW and TM and the three new books being written appears to me to be a massive effort to restore Aruba's tourism and reputation.

Right in the middle of it all, including new crockumentary, Joran kills again and practically on film this time. 

Big shock to their system and plans.  Major money behind all this likely sources AHATA and ATA as usual.

They are now in total disarray as once again their big plans have been foiled again.

But it is Joran who is the problem and until they deal with that Joran will continue to be the Face of Aruba.

KYLE KINGMAN

THE SEARCH FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

Kyle Kingman - 02/15/2008

Although we have searched and ruled out an extensive portion of the original planned search area, a substantial portion of the high-probability area yet remains to be explored. Now, following a publicly confirmed admission that Natalee Holloway was disposed at sea, we are confident that completing the focused search area will bring closure. We therefore formally invite and request anyone who this humanitarian effort has touched to get involved and to help support the remaining search efforts. Donations are being handled by Texas Equusearch, a 501 (c) (3) nonprofit organization. Please come beside those who have already given so much to help ensure a proper funeral in Alabama for Natalee Holloway. Please make all donations marked as: "Holloway search".

To learn more about Texas Equusearch and to help support the search for Natalee Holloway, check out: http://www.texasequusearch.org/donate.html

Texas EquuSearch Office:
4013 FM 517, Suite B
Dickinson, Texas 77539
P. O. Box 395, Dickinson, Texas 77539

Office: (281) 309-9500
Fax: (281) 534-6719
Toll Free: (877) 270-9500
Email: donate@texasequusearch.org

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/02/support-effort.html

TIM TRAHAN

Holloway searchers need help
hursday, February 28, 2008 | 8:21 PM
By Cynthia Cisneros

A relentless search Schafer and his team say will stop, if they don't get more funding.

"And we all feel, I'm speaking from everybody on the team, that she's in one of the targets we have not looked at yet," Tim Trahan of Underwater Expeditions said. "We can't stop. I go to sleep at night thinking we've located it, we just need to get to it."

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=5988951

Debbie
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #598 on: June 18, 2009, 11:29:24 PM »»

Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together.. 
 
Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.msg845027;topicseen#msg845027

Sour grapes. . . TM and Dave planning a trip to Peru and Beth beat them there.

Now they would just look like copycats.

And it makes me laugh to think anyone is serious that Aruba could summon any American citizen anywhere.

Coward closed comments on that podcast, too.

I'm bringing the Steph Watt/Tim Miller interview over from the previous thread:  (HAT TIP:  Janet aka Tamikosmom)

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/09/20/watts-up-with-this#endframe

Been trying to wrap my head around this.

Wonder what Rob thinks? Red? So many admire Tim for his mighty efforts thus far, for Natalee and so many other families.

Just hard to believe it’s come to this. I feel sucker punched.

I had the same thought about Rob.  I'm sure he'll speak up if he has something to say. 

To my knowledge, Klaas is waiting to hear back from Red regarding this.

I haven't heard a word from Red at all about anything in a couple weeks.  I know he's ok enough to post comments on the SM front page so I don't know what is up.

For Glenda/Renfro and Charlierat   :smt097

I think Tim has been on a downward spiral since the Persistence fiasco.

Tim knows that when he put money above the truth he tarnished his own soul.

His name is pretty much mud now.  IMO

Flip them one for me too!

At least Tim Miller's heart was good at one time, I believe.

Renfro and Charlierat have always been despicable.

I don't want to know ...

They are enjoying Tim's rant on Watt's show a bit too much.

Sucker punched is a very appropriate term...that's how I feel too.

Never minded Tim Miller being referred to as tm until now.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/

From today's Awe Mainta, no idea what it's all about. 

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/09212010_AweMainta-1.jpg)

Steph Watts - September 20, 2010

"The face to face meeting with Joran van der Sloot?  Was it a journey for justice or a mission for money." (para)

"Those who have profited from the murder of Natalee Holloway; the murder, the media and Natalee's mother." (para)

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/09/20/watts-up-with-this#endframe

Of course they are. But back THEN, they couldn't find enough bad words to describe TM. Not to mention his personal war on the turtle eggs.

Keep thinking about Tim ans SW interview about Beth.. Has me so down.. Isn't ANYONE loyal or discreet anymore???  ::MonkeyWaa::

Remember the last trip to Aruba that SW and Tim Miller made?  Steph Watts posted that the week was certain to be eventful.

Then. . . .crickets!

I seem tp recall that Dave went down for about 24 hours then left but Steph Watts and Tim Miller stayed the whole week to do nothing but enjoy.

Reminds me of when they used to pretend Beth and Jug's expenses were all being comped.

Jug said he had a stack of credit card bills he would be happy to share and pointed out that they didn't even have transportation provided.

I tend to think this imaginary "profiting" being attributed to Beth is more of the same--imaginary.

But if she had profited, why would that be any of Tim Miller's business at all?  Does he profit from TES and that's why he is so concerned?

Seriously, that's none of Tim's business.

 ::MonkeyMad::

One more thought then I have to go for afternoon. . . .

If Dave had not collaborated with the likes of Larry Garrison and his dimwit sister, maybe his book would have done better.  That's not Beth's fault.

And I guess they are still carrying on about the Trust money, most of which would not be deposited unless Natalee was recovered.

Beth does not have control of that or it would not be a Trust Fund.  It would be a checking account, lol.  If Dave feels he has bills that should have been paid from it, he should have submitted them to the trust officers for payment same as Beth has to do.

Maybe Tim Miller thought he would be getting huge sums for his searches?  And he has always taken great pride in the fact that they do not EVEr charge the vistim's family.

Well, until now it seems.  They just trash the family if they don't contribute????

Off to work. . . .

Kyle said: "Tim Miller is definitely a drinker. I respect him enough to leave it at that. "

I agree MF is a reporter of sorts. I had suspicion she was actually Rosalie Klein after she stopped using scubajap, but this is unlikely. BTW, the "jap" in scubajap means Jewish American Princess to her. LOL.

The last post was refering to the Dec 30th dive.
Present for the Jan 7th dive were:
Persistence crew, 3 Aruban divers. I know Richardson for a fact knew about the samples. Mos, I don't know if he ever saw anything for certain. I have no way to confirm or deny his involvement.

For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan.

Kermit - I know you'll make sure that Beth and JQK are aware of the accusations being made by Tim and Steph.  I

What's up with this?

Wasn't Steph Watts the guy who reported that Joran gave him a map and showed the house where Joran said Natalee took drugs and fell off a balcony. And he went to Aruba and had a house and invited Dave Holloway to come down.

Now he says that Beth profited off of her daughter's murder.
And he has an issue with Beth going to Peru to meet in a cell along with Peter deVries & camera crew.

He knows nothing of why she was there, but he keeps on.
He brings up and asks Tim Miller specifically if Beth ever gave money to TES to which
Tiim Miller goes on a rant about Beth not showing up at his fundraiser.

Maybe Beth didn't show up at TES fundraisers because she has the information about
how Tim Miller conducted himself with regards to the search for her daughter.

Im doing a show thursday night and will discuss these remarks by Watts and TM with my guests. My guess is neither Beth nor JQK will want to reply to them but there is a open invitation to come on the show that night to do just that.

Bingo 

In February, 2008 ... while soliciting funds which were to be designated TES ... Kyle Kingman's own words in postings reveal that an ongoing search for Natalee Holloway's remains was never going to happen.  What became of the monies donated to the cause?

Janet

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Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

March 3, 2008

oceanexploration:  Several hours of footage were of other (ROV) dives on other targets. None were of any relevance. Most targets were of peculiar coral pinnacles, man-made debris, and ship wrecks.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047;topicseen#msg360047


June 28, 2008

Kyle Kingman: The logs are in a safe somewhere. John and Ryan Poff (one of John's project managers) knows where it is. I can't get copies of the logs at this time. Perhaps in a few months. The target locations are in the safe, although I also have them in a safe spot.  I don't care about the other targets though. I don't think any of it is of any potential interest. Mainly junk, coral, and debris.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys

Let me try that again  ::MonkeyEek::

Im doing a show thursday night and will discuss these remarks by Watts and TM with my guests. My guess is neither Beth nor JQK will want to reply to them but there is a open invitation to come on the show that night to do just that.

Thanks Dana!

DAVE HOLLOWAY TRUSTED/TRUSTS

Mark Purcell
Reality
Rudolf V (caps)
Lorenzo Webb
Geerman
Dompig
Beniveda de Souza
hotshot/dad of1
Debbie BFN
Fred Golba

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Debt from searches that these individuals were all involved in telling lying to Dave and his wife that they would find Natalee's body.

ribbit.

I guess that now we can add Tim Miller and Steph Watts to that list. 

For sure a transcript / audio link should be sent to JQK and other media
Watts says Beth and Devries obstructed the investigation,
Well is that like Watts and Greta ( i tend to believe Joran) going to Tailand and interviewing him there?
Geeze I wonder what kind of money was paid out for that??

Sorry if this has been posted, but I hadn't seen it:

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Holloway-and-de-Vries-leave-Aruba/EvxHMcKCy0myZsWgf6cPJw.cspx
Holloway and de Vries leave Aruba
September 20, 2010

Birmingham, Al  (WIAT)  Natalee Holloway's mother Beth has left Aruba in the company of Dutch reporter Peter de Vries.  Their next stop isn't clear, but the Dutch television crew they have been working with is still on the island.

Holloway is working with de Vries on a documentary about Natalee's disappearance that will run on Dutch television.  Natalee disappeared on a graduation trip to Aruba back in 2005.  She was last seen in the company of Joran van der Sloot who is currently in prison in Peru awaiting trial for the murder of a 21 year old Peruvian student, Stephany Flores.

Beth Holloway and de Vries caused an international stir last week when they briefly met with van der Sloot in Lima's Castro Castro prison.  They were asked to leave when prison officials discovered who Beth Holloway was.

They left Peru and flew to Aruba where they reportedly shot footage documenting Natalee's last known steps.  According to Jossy Mansur, editor of the Aruban newspaper El Diario, they had the cooperation of prosecutors investigating Joran van der Sloot's involvement in the disappearance.  Van der Sloot was questioned several times by Aruban authorities over the years since but has never been charged.  He is still considered the prime suspect in the case.

Peter de Vries has a long involvement in the Natalee case as well.  He's the reporter who has on several occasions aired video of van der Sloot telling a variety of stories about Natalee's fate...all of which van der Sloot later denied or admitted he was making them up.

CBS42.com has e-mailed a list of questions to de Vries but we haven't yet had a response.

http://www.24ora.com/internacional-mainmenu-6/22212-anaconda-den-toilet.html

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2010.september.sept21.anaconda.jpg)

Anaconda den toilet
Tuesday, 21 September 2010 12:50

 Un muher Polaco di 73 aña dialuna a haya susto di su bida ora cu el a mira e cabes di un anaconda di dos meter largo ta sali  di e potchi di w.c.  "Ora cu el a lanta e tapa el a mira un reptil gigantesco,” segun un vocero di polis di e ciudad Polaco a conta. “El a dal e tapa sera y a yama nos.”

Cu cooperacion di un colaborador di zoologico Polis a logra atrapa e animal.

Segun vocero, e Anaconda di un manera of otro a logra pasa den e tubonan di riool y a yega den e w.c. Polis ta en busca di e doño.

My immediate thought when I saw this article about the snake in the toilet was some of the Aruba toilet images we have seen thru the years:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ArubaToilet.gif)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Diario092010b.jpg)

I posted a comment on Steph Watts site last night right after the show. Just checked, my comment is still awaiting moderation. LOL I would love to know how many comments are in the same catagory.

And that would make the "Dirty Dozen"

I tried to capture just that portion where Steph and Tim are bashing Beth.  There is some more at the very end of the broadcast but I'll have to do that in a part 2.

Click on the picture below to listen to 10 minutes of Steph and Tim Miller:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/th_TimMillerStephWatts09192010_xvid.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/?action=view&current=TimMillerStephWatts09192010_xvid.mp4)

Thanks so much Klass.  Could you please post this in the Persistence thread.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet

(Continued)

.... when finished.

Thanks

Janet

I'll post now.  I'm not sure when I'll get to part 2.  This first part is most of it anyway.  There's just a bit towards the end of Steph's show where Tim bashes again.

I put one on Texas Equusearch page.

A permanent record of the bashing segments is so important.  Considering comments are not permitted on Steph's site regarding this interview ... I have a hinky feelings an edit is about to take place.  I suspect the backlash against both Steph and Tim is big time.  Somehow I do believe Tim is regretting his words.

My brother who is an alcoholic who has not had a drink in seven years listened to the audio and ... suspect that Tim may have had a little too much to drink and ... the is why the words flowed without consideration of consequences.  In other words ... you could be right in your original speculation Klaas. 

Klaas ... when you post the second part of the interview in the Persistence thread ... could you please quote the first part.

Thanks again.

Janet

I don't like this pot being stirred like this. What was Watts thinking ?
What the heck is the motive ? Beth not donating for the Persistence search, is that what this is ?

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2010/09/21/levi-page-show

Host Name:  Levi Page Show   
Show Name: Caylee Anthony & Joran Vandersloot update
 
Date / Length: 9/20/2010 9:00 PM - 44 min
Length: 44 min
Description:
h:18324 s:1271140  Tonight Casey Anthony's defense deam travels to Tennessee to grill the "Body Farm" scientists who determined that human decomposition was discovered in the trunk of Casey Anthony's car! Also tonight, the mother of Natalee Holloway confronts her daughters alleged killer behind bars in Peru! We discuss the dramatic prison showdown with former police cheif Dr. Richard Weinblatt and Criminal Profiler Pat Brown!

I don't like it either, Kat_Gram.  They are pitting the mother of a missing child against
the father.
I would expect no better of Steph Watts, but I would have expected more of Tim Miller.

can
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #846 9/12/2010 -
« Reply #943 on: September 21, 2010, 02:32:50 PM »

Well, I'm shocked, disappointed, angry! 
Have just listened to the tape where Beth is being maligned over and over.
For going to Peru, for going with a camera crew, for not attending two of Tim's fund raisers, for interfering with an investigation, for exploiting her daughter. 
How dare they say what Beth should and should not be doing!  She should be supporting a missing person's foundation, she should be donating money to Texas Equasearch.  She should NOT have gone to Peru with cameras.
Does Tim think he could have done a better job in Peru?  If he doesn't agree that Beth should have gone, interfered in an investigation as he puts it, what makes him think then that it was o. k. for him and Dave to go.
Well I'm sick to death of the Beth bashing from Watts and Tim.  Tim, a man I once respected.
Tim has spoken.  Ugly words. HE OWNS THEM!  They can not be taken back, nor will I make any excuses for him whatsoever.  He chose those words and they belong to him!

Beth, dear Mother of long lost Natalee, we love you!  God bless.  ::MonkeyAngel::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8454.msg1233126#msg1233126

Kat_Gram

I could be wrong but ... I believe that segment of the discussion was pertaining to Beth not donating was pertaining to TES in general ... not necessarily the Persistence search.

Janet

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyKiss::

............Remember months ago when the TES web page listed J.D. Silvetti as a Corporate Sponsor?  Right then, I got a sick feeling$

I hate to say this but I have a strong feeling Robin was behind a lot of this.  JMO but Robin does not fight for Natalee--afterall she is just a "stepmother".  And I don't care what anyone says but Robin is extremely jealous of Beth. Always has been and always will be.  again JMO.

Just pick yourself up and brush yourself off.

Tim will regret what he said about Beth.  You just don't do what he did.  He did it and it was planned.  When you have to say I apologize in advance he must have been thinking about it a long time.

I just don't get it.  Why should Beth apologize for having media contacts?  Most families would wish for that advantage.  Everyone is much more aware of "the missing" because of Natalee's saga.

Tim must have forgot a few things.



December 9, 2005 (regarding Tara Grinstead)
....
ELEZ-MITCHELL:  And Beth, there has been some criticism that all the attention on Natalee‘s disappearance has, in fact, robbed attention on other missing persons‘ cases.  But this is the exact opposite, isn‘t it?  You‘re actually bringing attention to this case? 

TWITTY:  Well, from what I‘m hearing from close family friends and supporters are that they‘re saying that since Natalee‘s disappearance, it has caused missing person awareness just in general and how they‘re receiving attention.  And so that‘s something else I think is positive that‘s come out of this.
 
VELEZ-MITCHELL:  You know, I think you‘re absolutely right.  People are talking about missing persons now.  And let‘s turn now to the sister of the missing woman, the missing woman being Tara Grinstead, a 30-year-old former beauty queen, a high school teacher, extremely popular, extremely loved in this town. 
And her sister, Anita Gattis, obviously you‘re heartbroken and you want answers.  What was your reaction when you heard that Beth was coming to your town to help you search? 

ANITA GATTIS, TARA GRINSTEAD‘S SISTER:  I was absolutely astounding that she would do this for Tara.  You know, this is someone I did not know, Tara did not know.  But this just shows you the compassion that this woman has.  And to think all she‘s gone through and she‘s taking time away from her family this weekend, and I know she has precious little time with them, to come spend with us, we are so thankful she‘s doing this and we‘re thankful that Tim from Equusearch set this up for us. 
......
TIM MILLER, TEXAS EQUUSEARCH:  Well, we was out here about three weeks ago I guess for a week and then went back to Houston for a week.  And then I sent five people here at the beginning of the week.  They‘ve been mapping areas out and doing a lot of planning. 
I talked to Beth last weekend.  And Beth said, Tim, this is a schoolteacher.  And all the schoolteachers that helped me in mine and what I‘m going through, I need to help. 

So, you know, I told Beth before in Aruba and I don‘t know if she remembers it I said, you know, I started Equusearch in memory of my daughter, Laura, and we‘ve done a tremendous job.  But you know what?  Natalee has taken it to a new direction on how we‘re going to look for missing loved ones. 
And I think it has in a short period of time with all the new resources and all the things we‘ve gained—I mean, we found one today in Houston, unfortunately, dead, that was missing for one week.  And I mean, we‘re really getting people out there. 

You know, no missing person and their family should ever be left alone.  There‘s no guarantees we‘ll find them but I guarantee we won‘t find them if people don‘t search.  So our network of resources and—has just grown and grown and we got to reach out to these families. 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10439299/

 ::rhino::

Ok gang, like I mentioned before I will be doing a show on thursday night and will be addressing the Watts comments.
However I throw this out to you. I am will to also come on tonight live and take calls from you so you can have your thoughts known.
We dont have much time but I need to know if you are interested in calling in?

Let me know and when I see I have some interest in coming on I will. I will monitor here for 1 hour, please let me know by posting here or send me a email dana@scaredmonkeys.com

This is a chance to let your voice be heard.

If I see enough interest I will start at 8:30pm et

Dana

I remember.  At that time ... I got a hinky feeling also.  It was your post that motivated me to to copy and paste the webpage into the Persistence thread.  Somehow I think the webpage has since gone poof but ... I could be wrong.

Janet

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Sharon/tx
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #831 3/13/10
« Reply #1823 on: April 16, 2010, 04:07:17 PM »

How long has JD Silvetti been a Corporate Sponsor of TES? Hmmmmmmm.

http://texasequusearch.org/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7221.msg1114074#msg1114074

BUMP

Dana - I'm in the middle of dinner and won't be able to call in but wanted to make sure nobody misses your offer.  Thanks!

I have noticed on the other boards that the ones who are so in agreement with Tim Miller's
statements are the very ones who defend Joran and Anita and the island of Aruba.

They all feel vindicated!   ::MonkeyMad::

I've been quoting/posting Dana's post in some of the other MP threads.

In the beginning Robin did appear to stand unified with Dave, Jug and Beth in the quest for answers.  She signed the letter along with the other three addressed to the Aruban PM (?) requesting a change in the investigation team.  Some of the reasons stated were very strong.

Maybe Klaas or another Monkey remembers the timing.  IIRC in the summer of 2006 ... Robin established a friendship with a moderator/administrator over at RU and from there Mark Purcell and Julia Renfro entered the scenario and ... from there BFN was invaded.  Debbie opened the doors wide.  Members were instructed that all areas of speculation would be explored.  RU was not necessarily the enemy.  A separate forum was established on the RU site at one point where members could post while the BFN site was temporarily down.

Janet

+++++++

Robin Holloway - March, 2006

Did drugs and alcohol kill Natalee Holloway? 
Police chief says missing teen most likely overdosed, was not murdered
updated 3/24/2006 4:37:48 PM ET

ROBIN HOLLOWAY, STEPMOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  I have known Natalee for 13 or 14 years.  She is not a drug user.  She does not abuse drugs.  The only drug we know that she was on at that time was a Z-pac for a sinus infection.  If she was drugged, it was because of the last drink Joran gave her, either compliments of Joran or the bartender.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11994147/

Tim: (paraphrased)  Remember the map stuff...We didn't tell anybody we were going to Aruba...we were in a house...no one could find us in a hotel...we did ABSOLUTELY no media stuff on it...we did this ONLY for the best interest of Natalee...

So WTF was ALL THIS about TIM?  Guess you didn't know Steph was giving the blow by blow on his blog?  Bullshit!


 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


http://stephww.wordpress.com/category/steph-watts/


TONIGHT EXCLUSIVE: DAVE HOLLOWAY SPEAKS OUT
June 6, 2010 – 8:02 am
Posted in Breaking News, Exclusive, Featured, Murdered, Steph Watts
Tagged Dave Holloway, EquuSearch, Joran Van Der Sloot, Steph Watts, Tim Miller

Tonight at 8:00 p.m., I will be live from Aruba, and I have an exclusive interview with Dave Holloway on my radio show.

For the first time since Joran’s arrest, Dave will share his thoughts and insight. Also joining me is an eyewitness who saw Joran, covered in mud and missing a shoe, the night Natalee disappeared. Why did law enforcement not act on this tip?? Was this another part of the cover up??? Also on the show will be Tim Miller from Texas EquuSearch who is in Aruba following a new lead. Will there ever be justice in the Natalee Holloway case???

To listen to my show, Blogtalkradio.com/Watts-Up-With-This, click here.

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VAN DER SLOOT FLED ARUBA TO PERU

June 7, 2010 – 2:07 am

Posted in Breaking News, Exclusive, Featured, Murdered, Steph Watts
Tagged Aruba, Beth Holloway, Joran Van Der Sloot, Natalee Holloway, Stephanie Flores

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I am in Aruba following new leads in the Natalee Holloway’s case. I can’t believe that Joran was here May 10th, less than a month ago. He was camped up in a hotel room, negotiating to extort $250,000.00 from Beth Holloway to reveal where he put Natalee’s body. The whole thing was an FBI sting operation. He got $15,000 wired to him, then blew out of Aruba to Peru, where he allegedly murdered Stephanie Flores. Why didn’t Authorities arrest Joran when they had him here? They had everything they needed to charge him with extortion, and extradite him back to the US, But somehow he slipped away, and we all know what foloowed. How did he get of the tiny Aruba unnoticed? Why did NO ONE notify law enforcement. There are alot of people with blood on their hands…again.


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EXCLUSIVE: VAN DER SLOOT’S HAND-DRAWN MAP OF WHERE NATALEE’S BODY IS. DOES “X” MARK THE SPOT??

June 7, 2010 – 2:36 am

Posted in Breaking News, Exclusive, Featured, Murdered, Steph Watts
Tagged Joran Van Der Sloot, Steph Watts, Stephany Flores, Texas EquuSearch, Tim Miller

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I have just received a hand-drawn map that Joran Van Der Sloot drew, indicating where he now claims he disposed of Natalee Holloway’s body.

The map came from “Jaap,” a former friend of Joran Van Der Sloot. Dave Holloway put us in touch. Joran befriended Jaap after he won a reality show in the Netherlands, and a large sum of money. Just like he met Stephany Flores in the Casino in Peru. It’s Van Der Sloot’s MO to befriend people with money. Stephany had won $5,000.00.

Japp produced a documentary on Van Der Sloot, and Van Der Sloot told him yet another version of what happened to Natalee that night. He drew a map, and now I have the map. Because Jaap was in contact with Joran in the midst of the sting operation I mentioned in the last post, his communications were being monitored by the FBI. When Japp contacted me and informed me about the tapes he had, his house was raided that night, and investigators seized Japp’s computers, cell phone and the tapes he shot of Joran. I was able to get the map.

Tim Miller from Texas EquuSearch is here. I have given him the map and he is working on the search as I write this. It’s a stretch but Miller says, “We have to follow every lead, and we can’t afford not to do this.”

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LINK TO CBS STORY ON VAN DER SLOOT
SEE MY INTERVIEW WITH CBS  HERE — CLICK ARUBA.

June 11, 2010 – 11:47 am
Posted in Featured, Steph Watts
Tagged Aruba, CBS News, Joran Van Der Sloot, Natalee Holloway, Steph Watts, Stephany Ramirez Flores
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Steph Watts via Skype from ARUBA

http://cbs3.com/video/?id=104682@kyw.dayport.com

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ARUBA: THE CALM BEFORE THE STORM

June 13, 2010 – 2:50 am

Posted in Exclusive, Featured, Steph Watts

Tagged Steph Watts, Don Clark, Aruba, Natalee Holloway, Dave Holloway, Houston FBI, Vinda de Sousa

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It has been a relatively quiet weekend on the Island of Aruba. The focus of this story is still on Peru, but that will quickly change this week.  Dave Holloway is on his way to the Island.  He will be here later today.  I know that authorities in Peru are working very hard to get the information they need from Van Der Sloot about where Natalee’s body is.  There are alot of things I can’t discuss now.  I feel like the kid they sat down in front of a giant birthday cake — the adults tell him not to touch the cake — then leave to room.

Tonight live from Aruba at 8:00 p.m. EST with Dave Holloway’s attorney Vinda de Sousa and Former Head of the Houston FBI, Don Clark, with the very latest on the investigation — stick with the source on the ground….ME.

To listen to my show, Blogtalkradio.com/Watts-Up-With-This, click here.

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ONE “NOT SO” HAPPY ISLAND

June 15, 2010 – 5:57 am

Posted in Breaking News, Exclusive, Featured, Steph Watts

Tagged Steph Watts, breaking, Joran Van Der Sloot, Aruba, Natalee Holloway, Dave Holloway
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As we all await the confession from Joran Van Der Sloot as to what he did with Natalee’s body, the focus of the Natalee Holloway case has shifted the eyes of the world back onto the island of Aruba. Much to the dismay of the islanders, in particular Aruban authorities.

As I write this, Dave Holloway is meeting with officials, I can’t be specific as to who. But, before he left this morning, he asked me if we could go to the place on the map that Joran drew, indicating where he now claims he put Natalee’s body. This hand drawn map I received from Joran’s friend Jaap, right before his house was raided in the Netherlands, is the last and the latest tale from Joran Van Der Sloot as to where he put Natalee’s body. How serious are authorities taking this map??? Or do they believe this is just another one of Van Der Sloot’s lies. A wild goose chase??? Whatever the case, Dave Holloway feels it has to be looked at — and wanted to do it himself.

So off we went to the location early this a.m. Dave really just wanted to get a feel for the place, perhaps a sense of whether or not his daughter’s body was there, and to see if this location could fit into his timeline of events. He wasn’t expecting to find an answer today — and we weren’t expecting to be followed.

When we arrived, I watched as Dave just stared into the location for a few minutes, and in his deep voice he theorized what could have happened, based on the latest information from the map. Then a car pulled up, which was odd, an islander, in a silver jeep. Dave and I were getting ready to leave to grab some batteries and some breakfast. This man approached us but didn’t say a word. Without revealing too much about the location — it took him an effort to get to us — so it was no coincidence he was there. As we walked to the car, Dave said “he’s following us.” I thought at first Dave was being paranoid, a distraught father looking for his daughter’s remains, one could only imagine — it would make the strongest of us cross over the edge. As we got into the car, he starred long and hard at us. In retrospect, I should have asked him what he wanted, but I’ve learned to avoid confrontation, especially in a foreign country, and I sensed Dave’s urgency in wanting to get going. We got in our car and drove off, minutes later I saw his car in the rear view mirror. I turned right, he turned right, I stopped and spun around…he did the same. Now I realized Dave was telling the truth — we were being followed. After a few crafty moves under the stern guidance of Dave Holloway, we managed to elude our island friend. I’ll go on the record and say that if I hadn’t seen it myself I would never believed him.

I have no idea who he was/who he worked for or why he was following us or what he wanted. Dave says it’s to intimidate him, and it’s happened before. I don’t understand this. Why be mad at the father of the girl who was murdered on your island. Why not be mad at the guy who murdered his daugther instead?? Dave is not here to trash Aruba, or hold a press conference asking for a boycott. He doesn’t care. He wants one thing — his daughter’s body to take her home.

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ARUBA: ROOM WITH A VIEW

June 17, 2010 – 12:13 am

Posted in Exclusive, Featured, Steph Watts
Tagged Aruba, Joran Van Der Sloot, Misty Croslin, prison, Steph Watts
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Got the ATV’s rented and I’m off for a day trip around the island with my camera. My main purpose of this is to tour the jail here to see what life would have been like for Joran had justice been served five years ago. We keep seeing the images from inside the Peruvian jail, so let’s compare to the prison here. Stand by for some great pics and video!!!

That's how I took it as well Janet.  IIRC Watts asked him if Beth had contributed to TE.

Yes, I think he's probably received quite a dose of negativity from Robin with respect to Beth.
Nonetheless, he chooses his own feelings and words.

 ::MonkeyShocked::  Isn't that in just a few minutes?

I hope enough have responded to do it, just not sure I'd have time to get my thoughts together enough to talk on air.

I've been so mad I can't see straight! 

actually no one has responded but you i will extend the time to 9pm et which is 45 minutes from now
regardless i will still be on thursday at 9pm et

ill keep monitoring here

Dr. Phil's team has filed in OPPOSITION to the Kalpoe's MOTION TO STRIKE CASE MANAGEMENT MEETING.  Here are the first 12 pages of 108.  The rest of the pages are mostly old exhibits:

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Thank you Dana.

THANKS DANA!   ::MonkeyCool::


Where's Anna, she's an excellent speaker!    ::MonkeyGavel::


She didn't sound nervous at all the last time she was on Dana's show...and she doesn't sound like a country bumpkin like I know I would...

Dana,

I don't have the time to call in, but perhaps my thoughts could be read on air by yourself or another Monkey.

Tim Miller spent a lot of time, blood, sweat and tears on the island of Aruba searching for Natalee.

And then came along John Silvetti and the Persistence.  That is when it appears Tim turned his back on Natalee and her family.  We know, thanks to Kyle Kingman who was aboard Persistence, that they found precisely what they were looking for.  Tim Miller was removed from the boat immediately thereafter, and Silvetti castigated Mr Kingman for attempting to insist they do the right thing and recover what was in the cage they had found.

Silvetti turned a blind eye, Tim Miller did not force the issue, and Aruban authorities recovered what they have since claimed were male HUMAN remains from that cage.

Is it any wonder Natalee Holloway's mother no longer appears to support TES?

But who does support them?  Silvetti's companies do........

Were palms greased?  Were pockets lined?  Did it start with money changing hands in Aruba and continue on to this day with charitable donations to a certain non-profit search organization?

The facts as we know them are finally beginning to add up.

So the Kalpoes WERE deposed  in Long Beach Aug 23rd?????????????????????? Dr. Phil's attorneys also stae that BECAUSE of the depositions they are ready to ask for a "Summary Judgement" immediately!

Thanks for bringing the documents over Klaas!    ::MonkeyDance::

And thanks to the anonymous monkey that pays for them too!   ::MonkeyCool::

 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045 ::bee::

Dana,
I'd like to listen tonight.  Could you please post a link for tonight's show?
Ty.

If I had known they were going to show up in Long Beach on August 23rd, I would have taken a drive there to say welcome to California  ::MonkeyCool::

Dana - did people call in?  Do we have a link to listen?

well it looks like we will have to leave comments till thursday nights show @ 9pm et
not much interest in doing anything tonight

I'm sorry Dana.
I clicked on radio but couldn't find link for tonight's program.

Thanks for trying Dana!   ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks Dana - Thursday nights show might be better anyway give people more time to be available and to think of the questions.

That would have been too cool!   ::CowboySmiley::

Here is the key part for me!

I liked that part too.  I wish we could read their depositions.

Anyone know how long Tim Miller has been acquainted with Steph Watts?

Or maybe I should say how long have they been thisclose?

I'm thinking probably during all the stuff with the Caylee Anthony case but I'm not sure.

TIA

You know, when I get these I usually don't read until I post them.  Great catch Wreck!   ::MonkeyDance::

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Me too.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I hadn't read them completely either! 

Great catch wreck!   ::MonkeyGavel::

 ::CowboySmiley::

Back to the dishes... ::MonkeyHaHa::

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:

I started a thread for questions to ask Dana on Thursday's show.  Now we know all questions might not be answered but it's good to have a list.  Not everyone likes to call in because of nerves.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8604.0

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That's a great idea!  Thank you San!   ::dogwag::

Deepak Knows!

Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 13, 2005

To your question as to who John Charles CROES is, where he lives and how often I have chatted to him on "MSN", I can say the following. The afore mentioned John lives with his whole family in Miami. I have known him since school. We were together at the MAVO. On Monday Mai 30th 2005 I had chatted with John from about 02:40 to 03:30 hours. We didn't chat continually. From time to time I went and watched some TV. But I am sure that he was online during the time-frame I just mentioned above here.


Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 29, 2005

You are telling me that John Charles CROES has stated that I wrote while I was chatting with him that I had written that the girl had put her hands in/down my pants, I can say the following. I did this to frustrate/mess up the investigation.

Thank you San.

Janet

Steph Watts is a media guy. Did Beth bugger up some plan of theirs when she went to Peru ?
Devries / Beth got the jump on Steph Watts ? Is Steph still working for FOX ? This has to be about money and media attention.
..
I believed in the Persistence search and Kyle Kingman UNTIL they asked for more money to finish the search. I believe it was right after Christmas or just before. I felt they were so close, until.. the pleas for funds and me looking at where that boat was going. They were mapping the ocean floor around Aruba. I posted on Kyle's blog that perhaps if they needed money to finish the search they could sell the mapping to an oil compnay. I really believe that Kyle got hooped along with many others. ( Dave too )
I have no idea why Tim said what he said. The persons on the other blogs who agree with him, well they had plenty to say about HIM.
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to be continued

As far as I know Steph no longer works for Fox or any of the big networks.  I believe he's burned his britches.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Like we knew that in June of 2005.

I'd always heard that old saying as "burned his bridges", but britches works too!! ::MonkeyDevil::  And as a matter of fact, it works even better.  I hope his britches are on fire!    ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: 

In February, 2008 ... while soliciting funds which were to be designated TES ... Kyle Kingman's own words in postings reveal that an ongoing search for Natalee Holloway's remains was never going to happen.  What became of the monies donated to the cause?

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN

THE SEARCH FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

Kyle Kingman - 02/15/2008

Although we have searched and ruled out an extensive portion of the original planned search area, a substantial portion of the high-probability area yet remains to be explored. Now, following a publicly confirmed admission that Natalee Holloway was disposed at sea, we are confident that completing the focused search area will bring closure. We therefore formally invite and request anyone who this humanitarian effort has touched to get involved and to help support the remaining search efforts. Donations are being handled by Texas Equusearch, a 501 (c) (3) nonprofit organization. Please come beside those who have already given so much to help ensure a proper funeral in Alabama for Natalee Holloway. Please make all donations marked as: "Holloway search".

To learn more about Texas Equusearch and to help support the search for Natalee Holloway, check out: http://www.texasequusearch.org/donate.html

Texas EquuSearch Office:
4013 FM 517, Suite B
Dickinson, Texas 77539
P. O. Box 395, Dickinson, Texas 77539

Office: (281) 309-9500
Fax: (281) 534-6719
Toll Free: (877) 270-9500
Email: donate@texasequusearch.org

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/02/support-effort.html


Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

March 3, 2008

oceanexploration:  Several hours of footage were of other (ROV) dives on other targets. None were of any relevance. Most targets were of peculiar coral pinnacles, man-made debris, and ship wrecks.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047;topicseen#msg360047


June 28, 2008

Kyle Kingman: The logs are in a safe somewhere. John and Ryan Poff (one of John's project managers) knows where it is. I can't get copies of the logs at this time. Perhaps in a few months. The target locations are in the safe, although I also have them in a safe spot.  I don't care about the other targets though. I don't think any of it is of any potential interest. Mainly junk, coral, and debris.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys

I believe he's burnt more than his britches...definitely some azz too with that last show.  JMO
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Well if Steph isn't employed by a big Network how is he earning his daily bread ?
Writing a blog ? Having a call in radio show ? Stirring the pot ? 
I am pretty sure this has alot to do with money and " exclusive " stories.
What else could it be ? Beth goes to Peru with DeVries, she meets Joran face to face, she goes to Aruba, camera crew in tow. Devries is doing a program on this. He is a respected journalist in the Netherlands. He has actually solved some cases. He used to be a detective.

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I am just thinking that the accusation of exploitation against Beth was the wrong person who wanted to exploit the situation for their own gain. 

Steph Watts reminds me of someone, I kept trying to figure out who then it came to me.  The Lollypop Kids!  ::MonkeyDevil::

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I agree.

Jen3460, good point.  There is always so much more behind the scences.

However, I'm stunned..... speechless.  My loyalties have been split in half and are being tested.  I've always found Beth to be nothing but class and the work of Tim being honorable and tireless.  I've worked side by side with Tim and have seen his passion and heard from his mouth how he personally feels about Nat's case and what I believed to be his loyalties.  However, as a mother, I can't sit here and say what I would do, in these circumstances.

Ok, I am so saaaadd now.  Where are the loyalties?  Why does it always come back to the almighty dollar, no matter who is right or wrong.   Who to believe, who to trust?  These were two people, I felt I could count on and now they split me in two and as I said, I am speechless. :2brickwall: :smt022

This makes me sick. This, in my mind has nothing to do with Watts, Silvette, etc.....  This is an out and out turn on each other, Beth and Tim?  They have always both been my heroes, how can I or do I choose between them?  I can't and we don't even know the circumstances of what Beth did or why she did it, other than a mother who is desperate.  Then Tim, who has always been there for Beth/Dave and has done so much for them, I talked to Tim personally about this case and his passion, right before one of his trips to Aruba.  I just don't know what to say.  This hurts me to the core. I need to sign off now..  Hopefully this works itself out.

Dihannah - choose Natalee.  I do believe Tim has changed alot over the years. 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Good one Klaas!

He reminds me a lot of Dolph van Stapele, you know...Renee Gielen's son...

just sayin'


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Sure did sound like one.

Ain't that the truth!   ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  I thought a while back that he was a she....Magnolia straighened me out, but I'm not sure about him. 

This may have been posted before.  I came across it not long ago and didn't recall ever seeing it.

http://www.antilliaansdagblad.com/

January 11, 2006 edition

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She looks like she sucked on a lemon

She is a lemon.

BUMP

http://www.diario.aw/2010/09/ministerio-publico-y-polis-por-tin-contacto-cu-beth-twitty-y-pa-esey-no-mester-tin-permiso-di-minister-di-husticia/

Papiamentu translation:

ministerio publico y police can have contacto cu beth twitty y before esey not have to have permission by minister by husticia

publication: tuesday, 21 september 2010.

categoria: general investigacion is andando for by time cu natalee holloway owing to disparce

oranjestad (aan): yesterday during one rueda by prensa owing to ask minister arthur dowers if was have cualkier palabracion among ministerio publico y peter r d vries before thing is the caso natalee holloway, this mirando the visit by the person here at aruba acompaña before beth twitty, mam by holloway. manner is conoci, de vries y twitty was at peru y owing to come into in the gaol caminda joran van der sloot is close.

after by esey, they owing to arrive aruba diabierna happen.

on the question by prensa, the mandatario owing to allow know cu the do not at altitude by if was have some palabracion. at the netherlands past owing to hear cu the hendenan here was biniendo aruba but if was have palabracion together cu the investigadornan by fbi, the not know nothing concreto on esey. near by this owing to señala cu do not necesario before minister by husticia aproba in cuadro by one investigacion cualkier cooperacion among ministerio publico y one person.

the is bay ask more informacion on this y hour cu the have more detayenan the will trece this fast before give one splicacion more amplio, owing to say.

the investigacion is andando for by time cu natalee holloway owing to disparce. in the cuadro ey ministerio publico y cuerpo policial can have contacto cu beth twitty y before esey not have to have permission by minister by husticia, owing to enfatiza.

Hello all

Sorry I have not been around lately but have been very under the weather. However, I would get off my death bed and comment on the BS that I heard on the Steph Watts amateur hour. What a sad pathetic excuse for a human being. No wonder he got canned from the MSM.

I don't know what is worse, his radio voice or his inept skills of interviewing.

Let me just say that listening to Dana Pretzer is a joy.

We all know Steph Watts is a real tool, I think the big disappointment is in Tim Miller.

Beat me to it!

Don't you wonder if something was mentioned in the K2 depositions that led Beth to want to go to Peru and Aruba with a real investigative journalist???  Maybe a journalist that spoke both English and Dutch? Hmmmmm....

I hope you are feeling better soon.

Red ... I could care less about Steph Watt ... Beth bashers are everywhere.  However ... Tim Miller falls in an entirely different category.  In over five years ... this man has never undermine the mother of Natalee Holloway.  Nevertheless ... in this interview ... he upholds Steph's bashing and manages several punches of his own.

Janet

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Red, I have NO doubt on Tim's veracity in the beginning. I think he was duped by the Persistence fiasco.

I have no doubt he has now sold out.  I am so disappointed and livid. Look at the facts uncovered here at SM and especially Natalee's Freebirds. I don't think anyone can defend what has transpired. I stand with Beth.

I have listened to this over and over thinking that maybe the next time I listen to it that the words out of Tim Miller's mouth will change. Sadly they do not. I am very disappointed in Tim and honestly being some one who has wanted answers to the disappearance and death of his own daughter, he has a short memory.

I love Tim Miller live a brother; however, he crossed a line and should be ashamed of himself. Maybe Tim would like to one make up his mind whether he thinks Aruba authorities are good or bad and whether he is for or against a boycott. You do not get to change your mind like you change your underwear.

As for Steph Watts ... to borrow and 80's term, what a hoser.

Here is basically my theory and principle I live by when it comes to missing persons and families of missing persons.

I would never criticize a family member for what they do when they are trying to find answers to their daughters death. The grief that a family goes thru is beyond words. I would never pretend to know the grief, however, I have seen it and tried to provide comfort. Who am I to judge Tim Miller or Beth for whatever they did to get answers. I would do the same. Frankly, Beth has used restrain. If it were me I probably would have been jailed.

That being said ... Tim Miller had no right to criticize a fellow member of the sad fraternity of MP's family members. His revisionist history of Aruba is shameful. Sorry buddy, you crossed the line ... get ready for tomorrows post.

BTW, just curious, who forced Tim Miller and TES to go to Aruba? Did some one hold a gun to their head? Now all I hear is whining about the money it cost. ReallY?

I am saddened and shocked by the folks Tim hangs with these days.

Hell, Beth did not return my call either. Should I have gone on Good Morning America and bashed Beth? BTW, Tim didn't return my call either. Those who live in glass houses, eh Tim?

Agreed.

BTW, Steph missed some people who profited from NH, conveniently enough.

Who was the first person to write a book on Natalee's disappearance? Hint: It was not Beth. But that person is different because they are buddy, buddy. BTW, in that book ... nice copyright infringement for not siting the source of Shango.

Red, I am sure you are aware of the "contributions" John Silvetti (et al) are making to TES to this very day. I'm afraid Tim has been "bought off".

Hi Red, so sorry you've been sick...hope you're better soon!

You're absolutely correct about Steph Watts, sad pathetic excuse for a human being!

I couldn't care less about him if I tried.

Tim Miller was the heartbreaking party to it for me.  I would have never dreamed I'd ever hear Tim talk about Beth, or ever refer to Natalee like he did.  Something to the effect of...It's been five years...wish it would just go away!  
 
::MonkeyNoNo::

Thanks Red.

Good Night All

Janet
9:15 PM PT

Good point!  Could be a possibility imo.   ::MonkeyCool::

Well, I don't think any of us had any idea that depositions took place Aug. 23-25. The time frame does beg a few questions!

We didn't but remember, JQK has mentioned before that he's updated on the progress of the Kalpoe case. 

One more thought....... I was kind of hoping that IF the Kalpoes made it to the USA -- our FBI might want to have a few words with them. (maybe they did!)

Very well stated Red.  I agree completely!  Go get him on the front page!

Even sadder to me is that Tim hasn't forgotten, he's still living it!  According to him Beth is "the mother, not an investigator" but he also talks about things that are still being discovered in Laura's case...that he according to his buddy Steph works on every single day!  But he expects Beth to trust Natalee's case to everyone who has failed for over five years to bring her home!

Just one of many contradictions that were very infuriating imo.

Yup.

I guess Mr. Miller forgot about the fundraiser that he had where Beth Holloway sent a letter to TES that was read at the event. Beth & Red would have been at the first event in person but it was cancelled at the last minute.

I guess Tim forgot about Beth going to Orlando, FL with the Caylee Anthony case as well.

BTW Steph & Tim, it was Dave Holloway who wrote the first book. How come no mention of Dave profiting off Natalee's disappearance? I do not blame Dave for one second for writing the book, not do I accuse him of making $'s. I would like to wish him a speedy recovery.

And also, Steph, were not you with the MSM? So that means that you profited as well I guess.

Just curious, if you trash familes ... why would anyone call you to help find their loved one? This is a bit of advice Tim and it comes from the heart, you are a searcher, not CSI. Yours and TES's mission was to find missing people, not play a novice pundit criticizing familes for trying to get answers.

You broke my heart Fredo.

Broke mine too. ::MonkeyTears::

Yes, there seems to be a complete double standard and revisionist history. I must have missed Steph Watts in the beginning of the NH case. I know I missed him when I was digging in the landfill next to Dave and Tim. Guess the man does not like to get his hands dirty.

You make great points and the reason why I would not criticize a family member for trying to get answers.

Newsflash ... like every thing was done with approval in Aruba, HAHAHA. That's a good one. I guess standing in from of Van der Sloots house calling them out was in the best interest of the investigation? Hmm, was some of the stuff done the the Anthony case or Haleigh Cummings case done in the best interest of the case or was it things that Tim did because he thought he could help? Even if it was not exactly ... what law enforcement would have agreed with?

Remember just before that fundraiser that was cancelled, Tim did that interview with Jennifer Hale,
the Birmingham reporter, where he said that they had the money to go back and search the 100 plus
remaining targets?

What happened to all that money?

Finally, Tim Miller and Steph Watts are both tlaking out of their hat. Every thing they said in the interview was complete speculation. They have no idea what happened or what Beth's motives were. How would he, they have had no contact.

So instead they just make accusations.

You do not get to tell another person what they need to do in life ... that is why it is called their life.

Viernes 17 de septiembre de 2010

Judge Van der Sloot case has not yet received the report on computer

Police had to send paper two months ago, when he finished reviewing the Dutchman laptop. In addition, parents of murdered Stephany Flores did not meet with the mother of Natalee Holloway, to avoid media attention

Judge Cordova Carlos Morales, head of the Fourth Court for Prison Inmates in Lima, asked the Division of High Tech Crime of the PNP the final report of findings based on police citizen's computer Dutchman Joran van der Sloot. Van der Sloot, currently held at the Miguel Castro Castro prison, is on trial for the murder of Stephany Flores.

According to RPP, the judge asked the police for the document, although the review of the laptop ended nearly two months, this has not yet been reached at his office. This evidence is needed to confirm the accounts given by the Dutchman, about to hit Flores because it was discovered in the computer information kept Van der Sloot on the U.S. killing of Natalee Holloway. Van der Sloot was prosecuted for the death of Holloway in Aruba.

THERE WAS NO MEETING WITH RIFLE
On the other hand, this morning left the country Beth Twitty, Holloway's mother, who came to Lima to meet with Van der Sloot in the Castro Castro prison.

However, Ricardo Flores, father of Stephany, Twitty declined to meet in order to "avoid a media circus" with the meeting. Twitty was accompanied by reporter Dutchman Peter de Vries, who has closely followed the cases in which the fellow has been involved. Twitty and De Vries left the Sheraton hotel this morning after the alleged meeting, as reported by international media. But a spokesman denied that Twitty INPE has met with the alleged murderer of his daughter.

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/640672/juez-caso-van-der-sloot-aun-no-recibe-informe-sobre-computadora

I want to tell you Red, how much I admire and respect you for getting on here and sharing your position on the Steph/Tim interview.  ::MonkeyKiss::

That was the FACT that astounded me about the whole thing!  THEY HAVE NO IDEA!

But I bet Peter R. DeVries, the REAL investigative journalist does.     ::MonkeySlide::
 
::MonkeyWink::

He said he went to Aruba 9 times? At who's request? Surely not all Beth.

Why was "boom boom" the first thing that came to mind when I read this?   ::MonkeyDevil::

Nadira:  Deepak!...Satish!...why you boom boom in you pants!

As to Tim Miller, remember long ago when Dumb-Pig was running the show? And Dumb-Pig was basically preventing the investigation and searches to continue? (This might have been about the ocean searches, but I'm not sure now since this was so long ago.)

Dave and Beth and Tim Miller were all upset (this was the time when the Boycott Aruba sentiment was beginning to get strong). And I think, but am not sure about this part, that was when Tim said something about he'd now support a boycott of Aruba. In any case, Tim wasn't happy about Dumb-Pig's actions. Then Dumb-Pig called Tim, and somehow, they patched everything up, and Tim was once again happy with Dumb-Pig and happy with Aruba.

Do you all remember that time?

That was when I decided that Tim was too easily influenced by others. That a good number of wires were burnt out between his ears. Not playing with a full deck. Two or three cans short of a six pack.

So I accepted his limitations, though I was disappointed that so many others were not seeing them.

But I wouldn't have expected this behavior by him. His recent actions are surprising. But then again, Tim does have a weak mind and he is easily persuaded by others. His past history has shown that. So, yeah. That's the way Tim Miller is. And in six months, I wouldn't be surprised if Tim is again talking like he's on Beth's side again.

::MonkeyHaHa::

Tim Miller has lost it

OR

Tim Miller has a secret mission to have certain people think he is on their side

OR

Tim Miller has lost it


personally,, I know i have felt terrible about his own loss for his daughter and and always thought his intentions were good, very good.



and this latest situation is very disturbing.

I think the people have felt anger, rage, frustration and pain, because of EVIL people doing EVIL things in EVIL places.   We relate to it, Not because it necessarily happened to any of us but because the thought of it happening is beyond belief. and because we are advanced primates that do not want to see other primates hurt OVER and OVER and OVER again.

we have felt this way all because of someone they had never met nor will they probably ever meet (Beth and Dave)  and the tragic place they have found themselves in.


it is extremely difficult for me to even imagine saying the things TM has said

My jaw is sore from it hitting the table so many times

Well of course Tim would not support as boycott of Aruba. He has had so many trips/(vacations)? there he probably now thinks of it as home.  ::MonkeyDevil::

OK, I should sign off before I get too ugly

*as boycott of Aruba =*any

Hi Monkey's!

Long time no time!!

This is a sad day for me as I always thought Tim M had Natalee's mom's best interest's at heart.

I see it everyday at work.  $$ is the bad root.

I would pay no attention to Steph.  He still has a Napolean/Beth complex.

They are both taller than him!

Seriously..and what man calls himself Steph? That is a new one to me.

me too

This man  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/lollypopkidsSteph.jpg)

yep, thats the one  !! ::MonkeyDevil::

I am still waiting for Rob to check in with that sig line.

Something about an International Super Hero... or something?


This latest development really will pizzle in his Wheaties, I'm afraid.

It seems to have given us all a giant whack right in the fuzzy door knockers.

What is next, Miller? If you tell me Santa Clause died... I'm going to sink another

one of your ATV's in the mud and burn out the engine. ::MonkeyDevil::

Oyyyyyyyyyyyy... If it ain't one thing, it is another.

Bump...only Klaas could come up with with something so hilarious. And dead on  ::MonkeyDevil::

at the end of the day, although I gave kyle and tm the benefit of the doubt way longer than I now know I should...I thought their initial intentions were for Justice for Natalee.....now I believe
they both sold out....which really solidifies for me the the depth of EVIL perpetrated by aruba and everything evil aruba used to deny Justice for Natalee....
Based on recent developments I am even more encouraged that Beth IS the only way Natalee will receive Justice.....JQK and Peter DV will help in ever way......
When we first pegged john s, louis s, tim t , and kyle for American traitors, tm had a tentative pass.....no more......add tm to the list of the persistance scam.....
My moneys on Beth........

joranstein is locked up monkeys.  He aint getting out for a few decades.  I hope he finds it in his black heart to tell what he did with poor Natalee.

He probably won't, but we can always hope.

WC

As far as the whole greta wanna be steph,  he is a one and done.  Adios steph!! way to go little man!

Thank you Janet!  Your record keeping is awesome!  I also remember that TES needed money after hurricane Ike to feed the horses, etc.  It will break my heart if he was swayed by $$$$  I cannot imagine fighting all the battles Beth has fought and how many people that have stabbed her and the memory of Natalee in the back.

Get well soon Red!  I love SM!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyCool::

I can just imagine how Rob's feeling if he's heard the latest.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Heartbroken, like so many of us I'm sure.   ::MonkeyTears::

Tim was one of my hero's too, never really had many because I don't take the term lightly.

Maybe that's why it hurts so bad.





 

Happy Hump Day   ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/264.zoom2.jpg)

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

I know we have seen this a while ago, but it seemed entertaing to me this morning.

Steph Watts Responds: "I Have Never Had a Nose Job"
By SteveK on Apr 09, 2009 03:18 PMSteph Watts, the ABC producer reported by Page Six to have been fired for using his company credit card to pay for cosmetic surgery, responded to TVNewser today.

Watts gave us this statement: "I am perplexed by the New York Post story and the motivation of their sources within ABC. My departure from ABC had nothing to do with alleged medical expenses on a corporate card. Leaving ABC was a decision that has freed me up to fully utilize my talents in ways that would have been hindered if I stayed. And for the record, 'I have never had a nose job but thank you for the compliment.'"

Watts says he was let go by ABC on March 17, but negotiations between his attorney and ABC over severance began yesterday.

An ABC News spokesperson tells us, "We don't comment on personnel matters."

as ABC sighed with relief.

I am glad that so many have posted recently and expressed my sentiments on this situation.
Still think that it all about donations and financial support to TES. As for Steph, he is all about MSM and how to get back in. Failing that, to do some programs on his own. I never heard of him until a few months ago probably here on the Haleigh case, where  ?? I can't remember why or what and I probably won't hear of him again any where else.
...
Even Robots and billb showed up, nice to see yu.

Hi
Although I read here I have not posted before but I really want to comment on TM. I have regularly donated to TES and always respected TM until the Misty Coslin and Donna Brock fiasco. I donate to assist in actual searches not to bankroll girls gone wild. I never could get a reasonable explanation from TES as to why this was done. I no longer donate.

Thank you Janet!  Your record keeping is awesome!  I also remember that TES needed money after hurricane Ike to feed the horses, etc.  It will break my heart if he was swayed by $$$$  I cannot imagine fighting all the battles Beth has fought and how many people that have stabbed her and the memory of Natalee in the back.

Get well soon Red!  I love SM!
[/quote]


Thanks Sharon/tx.  However ... the credit for my organized record keeping goes to my precious DIL.  I knew she was a keeper the first time I met her.  I am thankful that my son concurred.

 ::MonkeyWink::

Anyways ... I got a hinky feeling regarding Tim Miller shortly after Kermit revealed Kyle Kingman's posts on the SM Natalee forum almost one year following the recovery of the trap contents.

With frustration/anger and disbelief ... I questioned why Tim ... who had been advocate for the family since the getgo ... had not come forward in January, 2008 and exposed his concerns to Beth and Dave regarding the troubling happenings encompassing the trap ... troubling happenings that ... according to Kyle ... Tim had observed while on board the ship.  Natalee deserved it!  The family deserved it!  Those who donated to the undertaking  deserved it!

Then there was the unchallenged recovery process that involved only Aruban divers ... a process that Tim ... although not a witness ... must have been aware of ... a process that Tim must have inquired about.

Then there was the outreach for funds in February, 2008 to underwrite the continuation of the search in Aruban waters for Natalee Holloway's remains ... an outreach that designated donations to TES.  Think about it ... an ongoing search never happened.

Then when it was revealed that Tim had an professional relationship with John Silvetti and Louis Schaeffer throughout 2008 ... from my perspective ... my suspicions were confirmed.  I concluded that Tim had shoved Natalee and her family under the bus for the sake of the almighty dollar.

Nevertheless ... at the time I was in the minority on the forum with my conclusion.  The majority remained steadfast loyal to Tim and gave him the benefit of the doubt there was an explanation ... a bigger picture that had yet to emerge.

Considering the silence regarding this issue of ALL who were on board the Persistence ... if it were not for the Natalee's Freebirds revealing Kyle Kingman's expose' to Beth Holloway ... the entire truth regarding the furthering of the Aruban coverup by John Silvetti may still remain elusive.

Sharon/tx ... my original suspicions may have been validated but ... I would have willingly eaten an entire crow pie if I had been wrong.  For the past couple of days ... along with all Monkeys ... my heart has been heavy regarding ... not only Tim's betrayal regarding the Persistence undertaking but ... his public disrespect of Beth Holloway.

It is my prayer that the humble gentle Tim Miller that we all knew and loved at one time will again emerge.  I could be wrong but ... I believe there are signs that the burden he has carried for the past 2 1/2 years has been very heavy and ... that burden can be lifted if he would only bow and genuinely repent. 

Janet

Steve Croes at Sr. Frogs - 9/18/2010

http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=viewcategory&catid=141

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In THE interview ... Steph and Tim question Beth's motives in regards to the face to face with Joran because of the presence of Peter Devries ... an investigative reporter.  They claim Beth's presence in Peru was financial motivated as there was a documentary in the works.

Does Tim forget a Dateline crew accompanied him when he first boarded the Persistence and stayed by his side until he embarked.

Janet

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Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  Dateline (Tim Uelinger) had an agreement with Tim Miller to 'do a story to tell about and help promote TES and give TM recognition, and perhaps a 10 minute side-line story on Natalee along with 11 other missing persons. Dateline tagged along with TM for a while pre-NH search. They (TM and Dateline) came on the Persistence between 15-Dec and 30-Dec.

Beth is a victim here, why is she expected to contribute to TES?  I thought they were expected to help her.  Do people have to pay for TES help now?  Also, how can you expect someone to show up at a benefit you canceled and then rescheduled?  Did you forget to add that to your interview or did it just not fit into your Beth bashing?

I am proud of Beth for starting a foundation to help our children before they become victims.  Prevention is the key.  How many lives do you think she may have saved teaching (yes, that's what she does and she has chosen a very worthy career)?  The students who benefit her classes have to come away with an appreciation for the knowledge she imparts on them.  It will make them safer anywhere they travel, even if it is just walking in their own neighborhoods.  Isn't that wonderful?  A strong woman teaching our women not to be victims.  Countless number of women are now empowered and may not be on the TES missing list because they are now wiser.  Beth has contributed greatly towards your cause, she has helped women not to become victims.

Doesn't Tim's expenses and salary come from TES or am I wrong in thinking that?

Many of us here have donated to TES because of Beth and to defray the costs of the searches.  Many donators give money and time to TES because of Natalee, and Beth keeps that story very much alive.  Therefore, Beth has contributed a lot to TES.  Do you remember the lunches we provided during Caylee's search?  Did you say no, they are from Beth supporters, I won't eat any.

Tim, your mission at TES is a good one.  I am so sorry your daughter was murdered at the hands of some inhumane creature.  You both became activists because of your victimization.  You did not just lay down and take it.  You and Beth have that in common.  Anything you decide to do in your daughter's name is totally understandable, why can't you afford Beth the same courtesy?

I have been worried about you because your skin color appears unhealthy, maybe you have problems with air exchange. The only way I can see any excuse at all for your hurtful words on SW's show is that there is not enough oxygen getting to your brain.  I think you should see a doctor.  I want to see you be well.  Please, get yourself checked out.

Well said Bearly ::MonkeyCool::

I've been racking my brain for the past few days trying to think what in the world could have brought that on from Tim Miller.

What would have made him turn on Beth so viciously...

Something crossed my mind this morning so I'm just going to put it out here.

What if Beth went in there and said...

Joran I have no hate for you in my heart.

I don't know who put her there, but I know where Natalee was found.

Your mother and father knew too, they observed the spot from shore where the Persistence found her remains.

I know the Aruban authorities have her remains, and all I want is to take them home.

You can die here in Peru, or maybe I can help expedite a temperature controlled room in a Federal facility in the U. S.

If you help me bring my daughter home...even at this late date;  could drastically change the outlook for your future.

Or maybe you enjoy being the most hated man in the world...do you really believe you'll survive general population?

The choice is yours Joran.

Beth's words, Joran's reaction... and statement that he can't talk to her about it without his lawyer is all captured by Peter R. DeVries camera.

To soon be viewed by millions.

Everyone will know...

Joran tells mommydearest in their next call what happened...

Peter R. DeVries will finally address the Persistence Mission and all involved.

We all know that news traveled like wildfire.

Did I hear a boom boom? 

And then a preemptive strike on Beth?

Just a thought...

 ::MonkeyCool::

And a good thought, IMO.  Maybe that is what brought on Dave's stress.

 :smt041 :smt038 :smt041

If you won't be able to call in with questions, please leave your question in the thread we created for them  ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks Sharon/tx.  However ... the credit for my organized record keeping goes to my precious DIL.  I knew she was a keeper the first time I met her.  I am thankful that my son concurred.

 ::MonkeyWink::

Anyways ... I got a hinky feeling regarding Tim Miller shortly after Kermit revealed Kyle Kingman's posts on the SM Natalee forum almost one year following the recovery of the trap contents.

With frustration/anger and disbelief ... I questioned why Tim ... who had been advocate for the family since the getgo ... had not come forward in January, 2008 and exposed his concerns to Beth and Dave regarding the troubling happenings encompassing the trap ... troubling happenings that ... according to Kyle ... Tim had observed while on board the ship.  Natalee deserved it!  The family deserved it!  Those who donated to the undertaking  deserved it!

Then there was the unchallenged recovery process that involved only Aruban divers ... a process that Tim ... although not a witness ... must have been aware of ... a process that Tim must have inquired about.

Then there was the outreach for funds in February, 2008 to underwrite the continuation of the search in Aruban waters for Natalee Holloway's remains ... an outreach that designated donations to TES.  Think about it ... an ongoing search never happened.

Then when it was revealed that Tim had an professional relationship with John Silvetti and Louis Schaeffer throughout 2008 ... from my perspective ... my suspicions were confirmed.  I concluded that Tim had shoved Natalee and her family under the bus for the sake of the almighty dollar.

Nevertheless ... at the time I was in the minority on the forum with my conclusion.  The majority remained steadfast loyal to Tim and gave him the benefit of the doubt there was an explanation ... a bigger picture that had yet to emerge.

Considering the silence regarding this issue of ALL who were on board the Persistence ... if it were not for the Natalee's Freebirds revealing Kyle Kingman's expose' to Beth Holloway ... the entire truth regarding the furthering of the Aruban coverup by John Silvetti may still remain elusive.

Sharon/tx ... my original suspicions may have been validated but ... I would have willingly eaten an entire crow pie if I had been wrong.  For the past couple of days ... along with all Monkeys ... my heart has been heavy regarding ... not only Tim's betrayal regarding the Persistence undertaking but ... his public disrespect of Beth Holloway.

It is my prayer that the humble gentle Tim Miller that we all knew and loved at one time will again emerge.  I could be wrong but ... I believe there are signs that the burden he has carried for the past 2 1/2 years has been very heavy and ... that burden can be lifted if he would only bow and genuinely repent. 

Janet




[/quote]

I know money is the root of all this evil that is going on here, but I can't understand how Dave
is still friends with all of these people.  I mean he's friends or an aquaintance with Lorenzo who is friends with Joran (forgive me if I read that wrong).     

It's well documented, photographed, and obvious what  went down on the ship that was sent to Aruba for Natalee, so I'm sure Dave has all this somewhere in the back of his mind... it's way too obvious.  Dave had to of known about this before the guy and his dog were sent to Aruba to search that pond.  The information on the trap was all over the place. 

Do Beth and Dave even talk anymore?  It seems that they are both on two different levels with this whole problem.  Tim Miller was a man with a heart of gold at one time.  What in the world has happened to him?  I can't believe what I have heard in the last few days!!  I know AHATA has had their hands in this the whole time, but for one kid that was raised by that dumb b.... Anita??  I can't understand why all of this is worth all of the trouble to Aruba. 

That is a very good thought... the exact same things were on my mind... Maybe that documentary will reveal to the world what we have been discussing about the trap for a long time now.

This is where I got that he was friends with Lorenzo... Oh and Caps.... What am I missing here??

(http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/6750/image488eu4.jpg)

Kyle asked: "Who is this pictured up top? Was he in Aruba on Jan 12-14th, 2008?"


ANSWER: "the picture is purported to be Jeroen Rodenburg, the original owner of the FOB website.


Kyle: "The hair, stare, and even sunglasses are the same as the guy in the Opel who followed me. I got a good look at him at the fisherman's huts on or about Jan 13th.


Kyle: "Sorry for the multiple posts.. but honestly I didn't ever expect to see a picture of the dude who was following me. Also, I really didn't want to believe being followed had anything to do with someone directly connected to the case. Damn his face looks identical! I can't get over the sunglasses. I stared into those glasses before.

Could this company have anything to do with your thinking?


LEX HOLDING N.V.

Business address BEATRIXSTRAAT 38, ORANJESTAD OOST
Legal form LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company LEX HOLDING N.V .
Statutory seat ARUBA
Date of incorporation 23 NOVEMBER 2007

Authorized capital</ FONT> ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Issued capital ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Paid up capital ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Fiscal year 01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
NOT IN POSSESION OF A BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT LICENCE

DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:

SCHWENGLE, MILDRED GABRIELA MARIA;
Residing in CUMANA 101-I, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA
Born in THE NETHERLANDS, ROTTERDAM on 26 NOVEMBER 1964
Nationality DUTCH
Position MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective 23 NOVEMBER 2007
Authority FULL

OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY

1. Holding AS THE ACTION, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED THIS: THE PARTY IN - GRANT AID TO - OR IS IN ANY WAY TO INTERESSEREN - OR USE THE BOARD ON OR REPRESENTATION AS TO OTHER COMPANIES, COMPANIES AND LEGAL PERSONS, REGARDLESS OF THE PURPOSE DESCRIPTION ;
2. THE INVESTMENT OF FUNDS IN ITS SECURITIES, SHARES AND OTHER SECURITIES AS PART OF THE RIGHT USABILITY, BONDS AND OTHER Interest-bearing CLAIMS UNDER ANY NAME AND IN ANY FORM WHATSOEVER;
3. THE ACTION AS finance companies and intermediary in the creation of ALL TYPES OF FINANCING TRANSACTIONS IN PARTICULAR WITHIN THE GROUP IN WHICH THE COMPANY IS ATTACHED;
4. THE COMPANY MAY THE ACTIVITIES LISTED IN PARAGRAPH 3 TO PROV IDE ONLY A WAY THAT THEY ARE NOT SUCH AS CREDIT AS PROVIDED IN ARTICLE 1, PARAGRAPH 1 OF THE MONITORING a national banking MAY BE CONSIDERED. ALSO IT IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED, UNLESS RELIEF THE MEASURES states in Article 48 of a national bankin g MONITORING TO PROVIDE;
5. THE DIRECT OR INDIRECT INVESTMENT IN ITS CAPACITY BUILDING AND RIGHTS TO OBTAIN, POSSESS, RENT, rent, lease, leased, Allotment, draining, DEVELOP, IMPROVE, EDIT, cultivation, sale or otherwise dispose of property, mortgaging OR OTHERWISE AFFECT OF IMMOVABLE CASES and the establishment of infrastructure such as roads, pipes and similar works in real estate;
6. THE PROVISION OF GUARANTEE AND OTHER GUARANTEES AND THE PROPERTY WHETHER OR NOT TRANSFERABLE FIDUCIAIRE OR PROPERTY IN TRUST OR hypothecate, pledge OR OTHERWISE AFFECT OF PROPERTY, AND ANOTHER ONE TO THE SATISFACTION OF SECURITY FOR THE OBLIGATIONS OF THE COMPANY AND LIABILITIES OF THE PARTIES , WHETHER OR NOT TO CONTRAPRESTATIE;
7. ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, staff, EMPLOYEES AND / OR20FORMER EMPLOYEES OF THE COMPANY OR ITS AFFILIATES AND / OR THEIR SURVIVORS OF EXIT: STAMRECHT, annuity CONTRACTS AND AGREEMENTS OF PENSION FUNDS IN AN INSURER THAT IS IN THE POSSESSION OF A LICENSE AS PROVIDED IN ARTICLE 5 OF THE FIRST PARAGRAPH OF THE INSURANCE SUPERVISION a national;
8. THE BUILDING AND ENSURE pension FOR - AND THE BENEFITS OF DIRECTORS TO SHAREHOLDERS OF THE COMPANY OR ITS AFFILIATES COMPANIES AND / OR THEIR SURVIVORS;
9. THE PURSUIT OF ALL WORK AND ALL ACTIONS WHICH THE ABOVE in the broadest sense related, resulting or co uld help.


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If anyone has an update on Dave Holloway's condition, please do post.  I'm hoping that no news is good news and it was a false alarm.  Unfortunately, the older we get the more likely we are to have these events.  Dave is at the age that sudden heart attack in men is not uncommon.  I'm hoping he is ok.

::MonkeyCool::

Bump!

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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:EyOpqHgEoQcJ:dnswhois.info/livesexamsterdam.com+%22Jeroen+Rodenburg%22+arizona&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:EyOpqHgEoQcJ:dnswhois.info/livesexamsterdam.com+%22Jeroen+Rodenburg%22+arizona&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a)

Nice guy.  Not positive but I believe this is the same person.  This one of Robin and Dave's so called friends in the case? ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/JeroemRlivesexamsterdam.jpg)

...and Beth stands with Natalee.  That is who is being hurt here.  Victimized over and over again.

 ::MonkeyMad::

antunym

Dave and Robin Holloway's trusted relationships with those who are not on the side of justice prevailing for Natalee has been the topic of speculation on the forums since the summer of 2006.  In the past ... some of these associations have openly disrespected and undermine both both Beth and Natalee despicably.

Janet

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Debbie (BFN)
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #598 on: June 18, 2009, 11:29:24 PM »»

Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together.. 
 
Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.msg845027;topicseen#msg845027

Different Lorenzo. The supposed half brother to Joran is Lorenzo van Rijn

When you are shooting blanks, you shouldn't do it in public.  Just sayin...

Dave must be brainwashed by all of these people when he should only be understanding the facts and not listening to anyone.
(Edit to add missing post bracket/fix quotes-MB)

Ok thanks Suzie.. So many different names in all of this lol.  It's still hard to understand how Dave is listening to these people when there is proof that lies were being made to everyone.

Many have stabbed Beth in the back by aligning themselves with those whose actions and words reveal that they are not on the side of justice Natalee but faith in her God and the support of others who have stood by her in this neverending nightmare affords her the strength to continue her ongoing mission to be a voice for her daughter.

Janet

++++++

It's Not Easy!

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 219:   I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.

Page 232:  Without hope we are hungry. And on a very deep level, desperate. But no one has to be. What's so amazing is that we can feed each other. We can help each other. We have the power to give resilience to others who are fading. We can nourish each other's spirits and save one another from defeat and despair. Every one of us possesses this power to "love thy neighbor," and we need to use it every chance we get.

I think Dave is under the influence of his current wife, and I am not sure of her motives.

But, Dave should remember that Beth is the mother of half of his children, and he should not
be in cahoots with anybody who speaks of her as Tim Miller did.

It is just not in any way becoming to Dave.  He should stand shoulder to shoulder with Beth
in regards to Natalee.

I couldn't have said it any better Magnolia
Your dead on with that post!! I have always wondered what his wife's motives are...  Something just doesn't fit in this picture and you would think a light bulb would be going off in his head with everything thats going on. 

In no way am I bashing Dave cause I know there have been tough times for him with his daughter missing and I know he has been up to his knees in trash looking for his loved one.  I just wish he would take a step back and look at this as a whole picture.  I do know that to understand whats going on in the inside you have to try to be at peace with some that are in "the know" to best figure out things, but after all that has been uncovered I wish he would look at who the real enemies are. JMO

OT- The remains of Teresa Parker, the 911 dispatcher from Georgia that's been missing since 2007 have been found.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1001.msg1234080#msg1234080 

TY Muffy

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I do not have an update.  If the initial reports were correct, that he was being discharged that night, to follow up with a cardiologist, in the morning, then he was not having a heart attack.  They would have drawn blood and done a 12 lead EKG and kept him if anything was positive.  He very well could have coronary disease but I doubt it was a heart attack.....yet...

Holey shmoley: Jeroen, Steph and Dolph (Renee's son) could be triplets....or perhaps one is a doppleganger.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I thought the picture looked more like Steph than Jeroen....but I didn't want to upset any applecarts. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Klaas - Debbie @ bfn posted this morning.  Dave is at home and resting.  So far test results are positive and there are to be more tests tomorrow.

Debbie gave an update around 3:00 p. m. this aft'  -  Dave is doing fine and all prayers are appreciated.

Thanks Can

By "all tests are positive" does that mean that tests are actually negative for heart attack?  

omg......I'm so far behind and lost..... I just heard and I do hope Dave will be okay. My hopes are there with him.

Since he was sent home from the hospital, I'm thinking he's ok at least for now and it wasn't an urgent medical emergency.

Klaas, that q. @ bfn.  Tests revealed no signs of heart attack.  More tests tomorrow. 

sorry, correction.  that question was asked @ bfn. 

Thanks, Can.  It's kind of you to let us know.

You're welcome Magnolia.

Thank you Can.  That's good news, no heart attack.  Stress or diet can cause heart attack symptoms.  I knew a guy that swore he was having a heart attack and it turned out to be indigestion.  Hopefully it will turn out to be something simpler like this.

I'll keep Dave in my prayers. 

Yes, it is good news Klaas.  I too hope it is something simpler as you say.
Not to be pessimistic, but he is not out of the woods yet, imo until the further tests are completed.

Oh, I know it could be angina could be an artery problem could be lots of things.  Still great news no heart attack.

Thinking the same thing ............. you want tests to be NEGATIVE!!!  ::MonkeyShocked::

Wreck - exactly but maybe Debbie at BFN doesn't know that  ::monkeywine2::

So, no FP story about Tim and Steph?

Red just emailed me.  He wants to put together a more in depth post which will include some excerpts from old Pretzer shows where Tim spoke.  We are working on it.  When it is posted, hopefully by Friday, it will be a DOOZIE  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

I am giving Dave a pass over the last horror show until he is well, then I expect him to get his house in order, after thoughtful prayer and reflection.  Nowhere in the Bible, he professes to be enamored of, is there a place where disrespect of a mother is encouraged.  Beth is Natalee's Mother, she possesses the Motherly Instincts in the family, let her use them and support her endeavors. 

Dave has chased one wild goose after another, nobody should condemn the acts he performs in the name of his oldest daughter.  These two parents should stop at nothing to get their daughter back.  I would like to see more communication between them, if there is not much now.  They both have a common goal and that is to bring their daughter, Natalee, home.  There is no one else in this whole world who shares that goal, no one.  1+1=2, make that happen, don't let Beth carry the burden alone.  Natalee's Mom needs support from her other parent, her Dad.

Steph-o-ME ME ME's House of Horrors, just in time for Halloween.  He does not need a guest, he does all the talking and because of that is very agitating.  He not only agitates his audience, he agitates his guests and he sits there and giggles while they are pushed into the flames he has ready for them.  For me, Steph's show was one and done.  It was so unbelievable the way he did not let his guests talk, he only used them to further his agenda.  He pushes his guests into a corner until they agree with him, in a backward sort of way.  The show should be renamed, 'Watt's Up With That $h!t'?

I will have to splice several segments together so my part will take a while and I have to wait for Red to tell me which ones he wants.

I've suggested to Red he do a short piece now with a note "to be continued"

Bearlyhere said:

"The show should be renamed, 'Watt's Up With That $h!t'?"   

 ::MonkeyDevil::   ::rhino::   ::MonkeyDevil::

hahahahahaha

I will watch for that on Friday. I like DOOZIES. And Red rants. I have to go to soccer tomorrow night. Getting towards the end of the season, might or might not be the final outdoor game. I think the ranking is 2nd place right now. Oh the stress.
I will think about any Q's I have for Dana's show.
Wreck was wondering if there is any way that Beth via JQK could have any information about the Kalpoe depositions, I am wondering about that one.
 

I'll see if Red can find out.  It might be something Beth is not at liberty to talk about.

I don't think that was MY request -- but, I wouldn't mind knowing!!  ::MonkeyCool::  I was hoping the FBI got to "talk to Kalpoes" while visting California. Somehow, I don't think anything revealed will be made public.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

That's 2 great posts tonight!! Thanks!!  ::CowboySmiley::

The Dana Pretzer Show On Scared Monkeys Radio – Wednesday, June 17, 2009 – Special Guests: Alexis Moore and Maria Phelps, Mark Williams, Tim Miller, Steph Watts and Robin Sax with “Nothing but the Sax” 
June 17th, 2009

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2009/06/17/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-wednesday-june-17-2009-special-guests-alexis-moore-and-maria-phelps-mark-williams-tim-miller-steph-watts-and-robin-sax-with-%e2%80%9cnothing-but/

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #577 on: June 18, 2009, 10:41:08 PM »

Tim Miller on Dana Pretzer 6/17/09 About the Holloway Case

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You know what we’re having a big fundraiser in July and Beth is actually coming to our fundraiser.  You know we’ve done so very very much work in Aruba.  And I was actually with John Silvetti that did the water search over there and Louis Schaefer who actually funded that thing last time I was with them just a couple of weeks ago and the Natalee Holloway case is one of them that we still have 140+ targets over there that we located with the sonar equipment, it’s one of those things that we do want to get over there and investigate every one of them with the ROV send it down some of that stuffs in 1100 feet of water.  And again it’s going to be an extremely expensive search upwards of a million and a half dollars and again there’s one irresponsible reporter out of Birmingham Alabama that reported that we already had that one and a half million dollars secured.  And it’s one of the things that just killed our donations..I mean just killed em.  We got emails and phone calls of people that had donated to us said how in the world can you spend one and a half million dollars on the Natalee Holloway case when we have all these missing persons cases over here.  Again it’s was not like that.  We don’t have ten cents secured for the Natalee Holloway case to go back to Aruba yet, it’s one of the things that Louis Schaefer is working on.  I know for a fact we will be back there someday.  I don’t think Fred Golba helped our relationship out over there in Aruba when he took his dog over there.  But I think we can mend all that stuff and move forward but I am certainly looking forward to the day when we get back over to Aruba continue that search and investigate every one of them objects that we’ve got out there in the sea.  See if we can pull off that miracle and get Natalee located.  Natalee is of course not priority right now and it’s because of funding and because of other cases we’ve got.  But I’m not going to say that she’s totally on the back burner neither. So you know it’s going to take another one of them miracles for Louis Schaefer to go ahead and generate the money and I know if anybody can do it it will be Louis Schaefer.  And when God blesses us with that then we’ll go over there and put every effort into seeing if by chance one of them objects is Natalee and we feel as though one of them are, we’ve just got to get the right one.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.560

But...Tim Miller did say on Birmingham Televison that they had the $1,500,000. to go back to Aruba
and they were bringing a big boat out of Trinadad to search the 140+ targets that they had located.

The reporter was Jennifer Hale and after Tim raised such a ruckus she never put the print of the article
on the web.  However, a friend of mine heard the interview and relayed exactly what Tim had said as
Jennifer reported it.

Klaas

I could not find any podcasts of interview with Dana between June, 2006 and September, 2006.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/

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Heli Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:30 pm

Dana Pretzer
July 20, 2006

Dana:

If you watch cable tv news or internet, you name it, forums Scared Monkeys, you'll know that there's a group of people that make it their priority to help victims the same we do on this program to recover people, loved. These people work their butts off, spend their money and if there's a way we can help them with more money

Tim how are you sir, welcome to the program. Haven't had you on ... How did you get into this, it isn't the type of hobby that Joe Public does like in the wood shop carving or painting...

Tim:

I was in construction business, a general contractor, my business was going good, we moved into a new house, in 1984 .... the next day my daugters' mother came home for lunch...Laura was talking on the phone ....... she went to meet her boyfriend but she never made it home ....

The police told us Laura was a runaway ... I begged the police to do something but in those days there were no search teams.

(Continues to tell story, believe we've all heard it before)

Our searches have found 58 people that are deceased. There is one thing worse than having a dead loved one, or missed loved one is to know they're dead out there somewhere and not being able to say goodbye.

We've become very close to these families. The best case scenarios is when we find people alive, I've been able to hand back 3 children to their parents who'd been abducted.

(continues with more anecdotes)

Dana:

You took your own tragedy and lack of answers (lost satellite signal)

Tim:

.... we never received a grant in our life, we've tried to be self sufficient, we get donations, we have fund raisers. We never, ever ask for money from a family member, we've never asked for money from LE, we won't accept money from family members. Somehow or another, God has always blessed us to keep our doors open, to make it to the next search. I get religion into it, but before we start a search we always start with a prayer...

I'm only the founder of TES, God is our leader and that's why we have the success we have....

(more anecdotes about various searches)

Dana:

We've got about 10 minutes left, so I should ask you about the Holloway case, I'd get shot by some of my listeners if I didn't. Anybody who followed the case knows how hard you and your crew worked and all the roadblocks you ran into.

Will natalee be found?
What can we do as media and audience to help get you back to Aruba to continue on to search?
Are there places that you wanted to search that you weren't able to search in the quest to find Natalee?

Tim:

First off, Beth and Dave and I talk all the time, we're very close. I took 21 people to Aruba vrom 26 states, we took the best of the best, we had a tremendous amount of roadblocks from the government

I am just so sure that Natalee is out in that water, 3 to 5 miles out. I truly believe they put her in that fish trap, crab trap. She's in 800 to 1,000 of water. We were going to go back in may with a florida and Louissiana organization. We had magnatometer, we had a boat rented from Curacao, I truly think natalee is findable, Natalee is not alive ... but at the last moment the funding didn't come through, it was going to be a 50,000 thing, Natalee is findable out in that water.

The neat thing that happened, I got e-mail from karen, she was looking forward to us coming over, there was new info that Natalee is probably out there in that water, the equipmetn is something they didn't have, she was looking forward to working together with us. We were disappointed we didnt' go

Dana;

when did you get tha tfrom her

Tim:

First week of May. We were planning to go on May 15 but the funding fell through We had already paid for some plane tickets. I guess it just wasn't the right time but I think Natalee is findable I encourage ppl to send in $5,00....Natalee needs to be in Birmingham, her parents need to have a funeral fo rher, they deserve to have a headstone to put flowers on.

This is a high profile case, Beth and Dave are just real people and that's their real daughter. I'm choked up right now, I truly feel in my heart that Natalee is findable but right now it's lack of funding. If she's in that fish trap she's findable and there will be body parts in there. It's only funding that's keeping us from that.

I have a neat relationsip with Karin, but it fell apart. We're kind of used to those things, but we pick up the pieces and keep trying. i think it's going to happen for Natalee. We did everything off the coast of Aruba that we could, so now we have the equipment available to us to go to 1,000 feet. I'm looking forward to the day we can go back

Dana:

We're looking forward, as the family you don't have complete closure, you know that yourself as the father of a murdered daughter. Tim, did the Aruban gov't obstruct you, did they put restrictions

Tim:

A lot of restrictions, they made our life miserable. They turned the foucs around on what we were doing wrong, they hurt our feelings. We considered the source it was ...we found the place where Natalee was temporarily buried in but then they said we were destroying their turtle eggs.

I had two meetings with Dompig, but he didn't return my calls after that. JVBD tried to ahve me arrested, he said I threatened him I just wanted to search his well..he screamed at us and we feared for our own safety. PVD went absolutely berserk and he went to the Prosecutor and tried to get us arrested.

A lot of time was wasted, but again it was something.. we have to go back there, we have to clear that water out there, and I'm optimistic that we can bring Natalee homea nd if we don't ....we know she's not there, but it's not been cleared. Dave and I were down there in October, we actually found the boat that took her out there and those ppl actually put there house up for sale right after that and went back to Holland.

I think we can find Natalee; Dave and Beth have both expected the fact Natalee is dead.

Dana:

Hopefully we can help to get some donations to come your way.

http://refugeesunleashed.net/about3669.html

It was a telephone interview and Tim was likely in his cups when he said it, but he did say what
he is denying.

http://www.hbnlaw.com/aruba/corporate_pro/firmmember.php?firm_member_id=15

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/Schwengle/Schwengle1.jpg)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/Schwengle/Schwengle2.jpg)

http://www.arubaoceanclub.com/OwnerUpdatesPDF/AB052110Annual%20MeetingMinutesDraft.pdf

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/Schwengle/Schwengle3.jpg)

Absolutely agree with this. 

Thanks Janet

Me too.

$1.5 MILLION RAISED?

Natalee Holloway update: potential problems for search parties bound for Aruba
By Jen Hale
Reporter and weekend anchor
Published: March 25, 2009

Tensions are building between two search parties involved in the search for missing Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway.

Right now, private investigator Fred Golba is currently in Aruba, searching a retention pond.

Tim Miller and Texas EquuSearch are planning a deep water search on the ocean floor in the next few months.

They’ve raised $1.5 million dollars to go back to Aruba to finish a search that began last March, then stalled when funding ran out.  

Underwater rovers will inspect suspicious containers on the ocean bottom that could hold Natalee’s remains.

“We still have 140 plus targets over there. We’re going to be bringing in a 360 ft boat from Trinidad,“ says Miller.

http://www.nbc13.com/vtm/news/local/article/natalee_holloway_update_potential_problems_for_search_parties_bound_for_aru/65265/


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TEXAS EQUUSEARCH WEBSITE

Texas Equusearch Dispels Media Reports Concerning Natalle Holloway Case
Posted on 26. Mar, 2009 by Admin, TES in Featured Articles, Press Releases, TES News

Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch is working hard to dispel media reports concerning the Natalee Holloway case.  Reports have surfaced today that Texas EquuSearch has collected $1.5 million to continue the search for Natalee, which is entirely untrue.

Also untrue is the report that Tim was traveling to Aruba with Fred Golba.  This has not been the first time that media has printed false reports regarding TES cases, to include the Caylee Anthony case.

This is the worst year financially for Texas EquuSearch since it began.  We are struggling on a daily basis to try to meet the needs of families across the country that are begging for help.  In these tough economic times, this false, irresponsible reporting could have a very negative impact on our ability to raise funds which go to serve families of the missing” said Miller.  “When the public hear that we have raised that large amount of money to dedicate to one search, they are not going to be willing to donate to our cause of finding missing people.  We are at a point of not being able to support the families that really need us, and when something like this happens, it is just devastating”. “We would not even attempt to raise that amount of money for just one case with so many families awaiting our help.
 
http://texasequusearch.org/2009/03/hollowaycase/


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EMAIL FROM JENNIFER HALE

Dear Janet,
 
I have indeed spoken with Tim about the announcement on his website. It is very odd --- as that information is exactly what he told me. I don't know if you are in the Birmingham area, but he did a phone interview with us where he laid out the search, the boat, the price tag and said it would all happen in the next few months. He told viewers that himself on our air. I am horribly sorry if that has hurt donations or caused large donors to pull back...which is why I have taken the article off of our website. I have considered putting the whole phone interview on the internet to somehow vindicate myself so to speak, as I know people are upset.... but after speaking with Tim, he is convinced this whole thing has hurt donations, and I would never want to damage the chances of someone finding their loved one. I hope he will consider doing another interview and clarifying, but we'll just have to see how that turns out.
 
Thank you for your time and interest,
 
Warm Regards,
Jennifer Hale

Thanks TM,

Do you reckon Lex Holding could be Silvetti's company?

Janet - December 29, 2006

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2006/12/29/the-dana-pretzer-show-december-29th-2006-special-guest-clint-van-zandt-and-tim-miller/

December 12, 2006

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2006/12/11/jossy-mansur-and-tim-miller-on-the-dana-pretzer-show/



There is more.  I clicked on the Archives to find these 2

Magnolia,

The date that company was formed.  November 23, 2007

The fact that John Silvetti's sister's married name is LEX.  You know....Jake Lex's mom.   ::MonkeyWink::

Two too many coinkydinky's for me to think they're not connected.

There are probably more.  

JMO

Not a Tim Miller quote from a Dana interview but ... very profound nevertheless.  IMO

Janet

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A NEW DIRECTION BECAUSE OF NATALEE

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 9
updated 12/12/2005 1:25:40 PM ET

TIM MILLER, TEXAS EQUUSEARCH:  .... I told Beth before in Aruba and I don‘t know if she remembers it I said, you know, I started Equusearch in memory of my daughter, Laura, and we‘ve done a tremendous job.  But you know what?  Natalee has taken it to a new direction on how we‘re going to look for missing loved ones.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10439299/

Credit: Buckeye

I don't think they are coinkydinks. ::MonkeyJnBox::

Klaas ... where are podcasts of Dana interviews between February, 2006 and September, 2006?

Janet

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Me either. 

seems to me that TM got Beth confused with Cindy Anthony.


how in the world he could do that is beyond me,,, but its possible i guess he has mixed the two cases together somehow... my jaw is still sore from it hitting the desk and then to the floor

I need ice....... ::MonkeyJnBox::

Janet I did'nt look at those months and I don't know.  I'll look in a bit.

Dana - Tim Miller Interviews

October, 2006 - February, 2101

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/category/guests/tim-miller/page/3/
http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/category/guests/tim-miller/page/2/
http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/category/guests/tim-miller/

DUH, I see what you are saying there are MISSING MONTHS. 

I wonder what happened to that million and a half that Tim said he had for the search
on the other targets?  Where did it go?

tim better get the explanation bucket working

Yep!  Tim's got some splainin' to do.  But he's the one you brought it up. ::MonkeyHaHa::

The Heli transcript I posted came from those missing months.  I am googling in a attempt to find some more Tim Miller/Dana transcripts prior to the Persistence undertaking.

Janet

Janet - do me a favor and create a thread and post them as you find them.  That would be a huge help to all of us for reference.  Thank you so much!  I'll go ahead and start a thread and add the Heli transcript and you can add any you find.

ITA.  I've been supportive of Tim Miller in the past, and felt he was one of the good guys.  But the last couple of days have had me just sitting and wondering.   But the words were spoken.  (shaking my head)  I can't think of any kind of explanation he could come up with that would make me think any better of him at this point.  I never thought Tim walked on water, because he is a man with human frailties.  Everyone makes mistakes.  But the words Tim said about Beth isn't a mistake, it's much more than that. And he did this publicly.  (still shaking head) 

OK

I will get at it first thing in the morning.

Good Night All.

Janet
8:45 PM PT

THIS SHOULD HAVE ONLY BEEN ABOUT BRINGING NATALEE HOME!

I have also been quite disturbed upon hearing the TM and SW audio. It seemed well rehearsed and the message repeated time and again. I have some nagging feeling that this is more than what we see.

OK...far fetched here...but think on it...and humor me on this possibility. I have been trying to understand and place this whole mess in context. We all know something is not adding up.


Was this planned trip to Peru part of their PR plan to restore Aruba? (Why Dave tho?? Makes no sense.) But nonetheless, that has to be the reason Aruba engaged in all of this. (Aruba and someone else will benefit. Why else would they be so very angry?) Was Joran going to give them evidence to clear Aruba?

Then add SW.---> Who apparently was upset about Beth going to Peru first also.

Could this be a continuation of the Joran/Terror Japp plan? The contract and plan they had devised to have Joran commit himself and sell the stories. Then get out in a couple of years free to collect the millions from it. At the same time, free Aruba from guilt and restore her. (I don't know the version of the story he was going to tell, but he supposedly gave the map (of where her body was) to Terror Japp. Somehow now SW says he had the map first before anyone else .

Could this plan be a continuation of clearing Aruba? etc... Why would Dave be doing this for Aruba???

Lots of connections there seemingly.

Could this explain what Beth was trying to stop?

Far fetched maybe??? But my Father always told me there were no coincidences. And I have found that always holds true.

Don't shoot the messenger but I could not shake these thoughts... ::MonkeyAngel::

Tricia

Janet - O/T check Musings

This may have already been posted and I missed it.

Dana did a really good job on this!   ::MonkeyCool::

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/09/22/daily-commentary-%e2%80%93-tuesday-september-21st-2010-%e2%80%93-steph-watts-and-tim-miller-verbally-attack-beth-holloway/

Daily Commentary – Tuesday, September 21st, 2010 – Steph Watts and Tim Miller Verbally Attack Beth Holloway
 
September 22nd, 2010 Daily Commentary

* Dana expresses his outrage over comments made on Steph Watts’ blog talk radio show accusing Beth Holloway of exploiting her daughter’s death for personal gain.

 Daily Commentary – Tuesday, September 21st, 2010 – Steph Watts and Tim Miller Verbally Attack Beth Holloway [5:55m]: Download

I've had a lot of nagging thoughts too.  Thanks for sharing yours.

It still nags at me WHY Dave Holloway would put Steph Watts (of all people) in touch with Terror Jaap?  That is if Steph Watts was telling the truth on his blog.

I did find it very interesting that the map that Joran drew for Terror Jaap had been talked about for months prior to Joran's recent arrest.  But almost immediately following the arrest... Steph Watts and Tim Miller are in Aruba for an extended stay supposedly to search the area in the map.  Too bad...if that was the real reason for the trip...that they didn't take the time to find out prior to arriving that they wouldn't be allowed to search squat! 

But they stayed anyway!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

I hope someone can find it...I just have a sneaking suspicion that there's a connection with Aruba and Steph Watts that hasn't been talked about yet.

JMO

Wouldn't surprise me in the least!

Steph Watts has been bashing Beth about the foundation and the fundraising for a long time.

I don't know what Steph's connection with BFN Debbie is, but she is always his head cheerleader
when he has a pod cast.

That stupid map was all over the internet before Steph Watts got ahold of it.

Something just ain't right about it all.  IMO

I wish people would stop talking about the FABULOUS BEEKMAN BOY! ::monkeydust:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


You know he is just loving it. He is probably so excited that he started all of this
controversy he's probably picking out new shoes to go with his purse, this very
minute. LOL

He is nobody!

Beekman Boy, LOL  ::MonkeyDevil::

Well, what about his nose?

I was determined not to post until the anger I felt at Tim's comments had mellowed a little. It has and has settled in as just profound disappointment.

I have suspicions about Tim's "frame of mind" that are only unsubstantiated suspicions, but regardless of anything else, Tim put the words out there and that's all we have to form opinions about. I have an opinion about them.

Beth has faced ridicule in the midst of grief by some of the ugliest pieces of humanity on earth. Tim has chosen, by his own words, to join them. He gets in line behind Joran, Paulus, Anita, and Renho.

A long time ago, I joined with you all to "Stand With The Girl" and I have no problem interchanging "The Girl" with Beth's or Natalee's name. Beth has paid a King's ransom in pursuit of basic decency: to determine her daughter's killer, see the killer brought to justice, and bury her daughter. It wasn't given to her to have the authority to bring those things about in conventional ways. All those who held that position worked against her. Beth was left with no alternative other than to accept the corruption that was handed her, or steel herself for patience, opportunity, and determination. It's the last act she can do for Natalee, and she's chosen the latter. Her strength in that decision is something I'm in awe of.

Beth's an inspiration to all who face insurmountable odds and holds only truth as a weapon to shield against the onslaught. She has not shrunk from being an easy target and has slowly and surely found paths to gain ground. I am deeply saddened that Tim views the battle, sees the target, and stoops to find stones to throw. He has stooped low indeed.

JMO.

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Hiya Klaas! Good to see ya.

Good to see you too Carpe!  Did you see my picture of the lollypop kid aka beekman boy?

Thanks CBB

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet

Just take your jawbone out and put it in the fridge overnight.  That should do it.

 ::MonkeySkate::

Yes! It was a good one... you can never go wrong with the Wizard of Oz. ::MonkeyHaHa::

He has a very munchkinlike voice as well.   ::MonkeyDevil::

Has Tim claimed insanity... or he mixed his meds with a boilermaker or something yet?

I just couldn't imagine in 1,000 years he would take a verbal dump like that.

I am so disappointed, I still have problems putting words to it.

It as if someone took a giant poop in my Easter Basket. ::MonkeyNoNo::

I know Carpe, it's very sad.

I believe Tim has forgotten two very important things, how he feels about trusting God and how he feels about families.

What changed Tim's recollections of Aruba?  He has rewritten history.

Tim says there was a deal to go back mid-May, but the funding fell through.  Maybe knowing the details about that would explain things. 

Tim seems to have a lot of misplaced anger now, he is blaming things on Beth.  Sounds like a little child, everything is Mom's fault.


 ::MonkeyNoNo::

CBB.....Thank you for your post. It sums up my feelings about Tim Miller much better than I could put in writing..... ::MonkeyAngel:: I put in bold your last thoughts as it reflects my thoughts exactly!
 

Always nice to see you too KAT_GRAM....

 
Whatever happened with Tim's wife and her cancer?  I wonder when Tim started to change in regards to changes in her health.

CBB,

From the heart and beautifully expressed ...

Tricia

ITA...maybe Tim can explain away the money questions, but the words he spoke about Beth and Natalee...no explaining that away.

Sad about Tim's latest comments about Beth....I'm sure he already regrets them.....He has his own hell to deal with....the lost of his Laura.....the accumulation of all the good he has done for missing children and the price it takes to deal year in and year out with grieving families/friends/opponents/opportunists....
I hope for his sake he gets it all together again so he can go on being the hero he wished he could have been for his own daughter.....

Very well stated CBB.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Beth has driven Natalee's story from day one. There was a time when I honestly feared that the story had ended with no conclusion, no closure, no justice. I've come to the conclusion that Natalee's story will go on until Beth has been afforded those 3 simple elements of decency: Natalee's killer identified, justice dispensed to Natalee's killer, and Natalee's remains appropriately laid to rest.

Despite all forces to keep Beth from realizing those things, the first is accomplished, and the second is imminent. The third would be the crest of a miracle, but when I look at Beth, I can expect a miracle.

I am so looking forward to the documentation Peter D Vies is working on with Beth......
Beth went to Peru to visit urine with a purpose and Peter was there....they also went to aruba....Beth has a purpose for that also.....
Maybe that is why those that may have profited from Natalee's fate are trying to discredit Beth......
40 years...I stand with the girls (Natalee and Beth)..........
No body.....no tourism aruba.....Bring Natalee home!

Hmmm............ wonder what anatomical reason there is for that?   ::MonkeyCool::

Yes, I know that all too well.  Went there a time or two...haven't been back since.

DebbieG dictates from chat what questions will be asked of the guests...and even "rephrases those questions" when she sees fit.  She's got her own group of cheerleaders there with her too.  They were begging for money for a return trip to Aruba and I tried to ask what would be different about a second trip?  We all knew what happened with the remains that were found on the first trip! 

I have some snapshots of the chat from the June 6th show.  Dave Holloway and Tim Miller were on the show.

Snips from my screenshots:

First of all...just to prove Debbie (the spellchecker) is not perfect either.   ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/Steph%20Watts%20Blog%20chat%2006062010/06062010_DebbieG2.jpg)

This question was asked and answered. (If you recall this is when a lot of people were trying to blame Beth for Joran murdering Stephany.)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/Steph%20Watts%20Blog%20chat%2006062010/06062010_DebbieG3DidDaveknowaboutextortion.jpg)

My first try...ignored

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/Steph%20Watts%20Blog%20chat%2006062010/06062010_DebbieG4_texasmomtriestoaskquestion.jpg)

Second try...ignored again

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/Steph%20Watts%20Blog%20chat%2006062010/06062010_DebbieG5_texasmomtriestoaskquestion.jpg)

Someone else tried to help me...ignored

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/Steph%20Watts%20Blog%20chat%2006062010/06062010_DebbieG6_fanofjusticetriestohelptexasmom.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/Steph%20Watts%20Blog%20chat%2006062010/06062010_DebbieG8_fanofjusticetexasmom.jpg)

Then Debbie_G chimes in...question even in her version....STILL NOT ASKED

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/Steph%20Watts%20Blog%20chat%2006062010/06062010_DebbieG8_fanofjusticetexasmomdebbieG-1.jpg)

Angelala

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/Steph%20Watts%20Blog%20chat%2006062010/06062010_DebbieG9_angelalatotim.jpg)

fanofjustice calls Debbie on it   ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/Steph%20Watts%20Blog%20chat%2006062010/06062010_DebbieG11_fanofjusticetexasmomdebbieG.jpg)