Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #22

[AZLady]

The jailor said in Casey's last visit she was a model inmate spending most of her time reading...it her escape from the circumstances surrounding her.  She lives in her head.

Yes, and I think the OCSO recognized this fairly quickly.  I would love to see the psych evals about which the judge said he had never seen anything like before.  I do think Baez will attempt to use Casey's childhood abuse and mental and emotional issues in her defense.  He will essentially throw G & C under the bus as lousy parents who created a monster.  This won't get her off, but might lighten her sentence or help her avoid the DP.  It's really all he has.

In that case would he not have to have Casey give statement against her own parents?  So in short, C&G could be flipping the bill on their own demise?

Baez could use expert testimony, pschiatrists and psychologist, to testify as to their evaluative findings showing she's been abused.  Yes, Casey might admit to the psychs that she has been abused, and they could testify to that.  Even if she doesn't admit to this, the psychs can conclude abuse.  So, Casey could not speak a word in court, but she and her lawyer could blame C & G anyway.

[kippy]

Ok - please do not start attacking me!    I have been reluctant to post this for several reasons.  But a LE, not working the case, said he thought Caylee died by accident.  There is no big conspiracy.  The parents are just stupid and just doing what Baez has told them to do, so Casey can get a fair trial.  When I told him about some of the theories I have read, child sex ring/ porn ring, etc.  He just shock his head, rolled his eyes and laughed.  He last comment was before he left unexpectedly and in a real hurry, was look what Casey has put he parents through.  The media has done a number on the those parents, don't believe everything you read.

I know this to be very true because when I worked for DCF, I worked on a local "high profile" case.  Everything I read in the paper was so inaccurate and exaggerated. Long after my role was over, the daycare worker has found guilty for shaking a baby, but I was never convinced it was her.  Mom of shaken baby, went on a mission to educate parents about shaken baby syndrome, even appeared on Dr. Phil (archives have since been deleted of his web sight). 

Long story short, not too long ago - the mother of the child that got was shaken, was arrested for trying to brutally kill her own mother, her business partner.  It appeared to be premeditated. 

Lastly, if anyone accused my husband or son of incest, I would actually lose control.
I know I would!!  As a mother, I am very protective of my family and would go banannas if protesters were bad mouthing my family, even if my daughter did what Casey did.  I wouldn't lie for her but I would protect her.

I am not defending CA and GA, I think they should of kept ther mouths shut.  I think they have made the situation worse for themselves.  But after much soul searching, I would have probably already have been arrested for assault - and I am in no way - a violent person but I think I would probably take my hurt, anger, grief, frustation out on the world.

I understand what you are saying BUT I fail to see how the media is offending them in any way.  Most of the time they are reporting facts that we see with our very own eyes.  We can read all the documents for ourselves.  LP was the one who hinted about DNA and being shocking.  The incest stuff came from bloggers.  IMO I think LE has been very close lipped about the entire case, anything more than that is pure speculation. 

Hi Kippy, just one example - where did the media get their info on that Casey did not want her baby?  From the documents, but it was Kio who said that and she didn't even know which Casey was calling her, wouldn't turn over her phone records. ect.  I don't think she was a very reliable source. 

I didn't know the media reported that, I've missed some.  I don't think Kio was reliable either but she put herself out there, its in the documents and anything released in the documents I think is fair game to report or speculate on.  I'm not arguing with you, please don't take it as that, its just my opinion.  If the Anthony's, any of them, would at least appear to be coorporative I think the media would be alot more friendly to them, as well as their own community may be supportive. 

And btw, what is wrong with these quote thingys?? LOL

[cheerio]

ha ha

[carpe noctem]

Disassociative in that Casey is not capable of feeling for anyone, no one; that she has learned how to act to pretend that she's caring, etc., but she really is incapable of those feelings and is a reason why she wants to make every pay for going against her; she does not feel/understand why everyone only wants to find Caylee.  It's ALL about Casey.  Casey only feels for Casey and to h*ll with ANYONE who doesn't feel the same way.  And Casey has no conscientious, no guilt feelings, no compassion for what anyone else is going through, which is why she steals from her parents, her friends, does away with Caylee and doesn't care whether or not Cindy has a breakdown.  Casey is a big VOID.

 

Casey is a big dangerous VOID.  Because of her inability to empathize, she's like a bull in china shop--she can destroy all around her without being affected.  Very dangerous.

Right AZLady...

Look at how many lives she has destroyed already over this...

Caylee
A Zenaida
Cop lost his job
Do her family members even work anymore?
Club Fusian has lost tons of business
yada yada yada.... you see where I am going with it.

[BTgirl]

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Hi Mary

Is this the article?

http://www.orlandoweekly.com/features/story.asp?id=12610

[mytime]

Ok - please do not start attacking me!    I have been reluctant to post this for several reasons.  But a LE, not working the case, said he thought Caylee died by accident.  There is no big conspiracy.  The parents are just stupid and just doing what Baez has told them to do, so Casey can get a fair trial.  When I told him about some of the theories I have read, child sex ring/ porn ring, etc.  He just shock his head, rolled his eyes and laughed.  He last comment was before he left unexpectedly and in a real hurry, was look what Casey has put he parents through.  The media has done a number on the those parents, don't believe everything you read.

I know this to be very true because when I worked for DCF, I worked on a local "high profile" case.  Everything I read in the paper was so inaccurate and exaggerated. Long after my role was over, the daycare worker has found guilty for shaking a baby, but I was never convinced it was her.  Mom of shaken baby, went on a mission to educate parents about shaken baby syndrome, even appeared on Dr. Phil (archives have since been deleted of his web sight). 

Long story short, not too long ago - the mother of the child that got was shaken, was arrested for trying to brutally kill her own mother, her business partner.  It appeared to be premeditated. 

Lastly, if anyone accused my husband or son of incest, I would actually lose control.
I know I would!!  As a mother, I am very protective of my family and would go banannas if protesters were bad mouthing my family, even if my daughter did what Casey did.  I wouldn't lie for her but I would protect her.

I am not defending CA and GA, I think they should of kept ther mouths shut.  I think they have made the situation worse for themselves.  But after much soul searching, I would have probably already have been arrested for assault - and I am in no way - a violent person but I think I would probably take my hurt, anger, grief, frustation out on the world.

I understand what you are saying BUT I fail to see how the media is offending them in any way.  Most of the time they are reporting facts that we see with our very own eyes.  We can read all the documents for ourselves.  LP was the one who hinted about DNA and being shocking.  The incest stuff came from bloggers.  IMO I think LE has been very close lipped about the entire case, anything more than that is pure speculation. 

Hi Kippy, just one example - where did the media get their info on that Casey did not want her baby?  From the documents, but it was Kio who said that and she didn't even know which Casey was calling her, wouldn't turn over her phone records. ect.  I don't think she was a very reliable source. 

I didn't know the media reported that, I've missed some.  I don't think Kio was reliable either but she put herself out there, its in the documents and anything released in the documents I think is fair game to report or speculate on.  I'm not arguing with you, please don't take it as that, its just my opinion.  If the Anthony's, any of them, would at least appear to be coorporative I think the media would be alot more friendly to them, as well as their own community may be supportive. 

Oh, I don't think you were agruing with me.  Your a nice monkey. 
But everyone reported, even on NG it was a "bombshell."  I like NG, Greta but I do think they get a little sensationalized.  Bottom line, it is about the ratings.  I am not saying they don't care, but it is their job to have high ratings.

[Dolce]

The jailor said in Casey's last visit she was a model inmate spending most of her time reading...it her escape from the circumstances surrounding her.  She lives in her head.

Yes, and I think the OCSO recognized this fairly quickly.  I would love to see the psych evals about which the judge said he had never seen anything like before.  I do think Baez will attempt to use Casey's childhood abuse and mental and emotional issues in her defense.  He will essentially throw G & C under the bus as lousy parents who created a monster.  This won't get her off, but might lighten her sentence or help her avoid the DP.  It's really all he has.

In that case would he not have to have Casey give statement against her own parents?  So in short, C&G could be flipping the bill on their own demise?

Baez could use expert testimony, pschiatrists and psychologist, to testify as to their evaluative findings showing she's been abused.  Yes, Casey might admit to the psychs that she has been abused, and they could testify to that.  Even if she doesn't admit to this, the psychs can conclude abuse.  So, Casey could not speak a word in court, but she and her lawyer could blame C & G anyway.

Covering up for a murderous daughter due to a guilty conscience and not wanting the world to know their own skeletons within the clothset perhaps.  Interesting insight... this puzzle just keeps getting stranger by the day though.

[cheerio]

ha ha

   Sorry that haha was a mistake, my daughter was helping me to attach a pic to my post. LA ebay purchase, now she's mad at me for grabbing the computer away.I have to go make nice. 

[4th_kids]

So let me ask again. 

Your grandchild is missing.  Your own child may be guilty as sin.   Should I show up at your house and accuse you of being a bad parent, because your spawn is probably a baby killer? Is that helpful? Do I really have that right? And if I do have that right, do you not also have the right to defend yourself and your family's reputation? Not physically- there's no excuse for that unless you're being attacked yourself. But I mean verbally.  Don't you have the right to tell people to get lost?

Cuz from what a couple of you are saying to me, should every family with a missing child needs to have the whole community up their ass.  Pretty much it?

I think it's a little deeper than that. George and Cindy have aided thier daughter in her alibi, they went along with the 9th until it was proven otherwise, cindy conviently forgot that dead body smell, washed the pants and knife, they heave not only witheld many things but told right out lies to cover the truth, starting with the arguement on the 15th, Casey lives in that home so it's not just Cindy and George they are protesting but Casey as well and the Anthony's have given her a place to come back to when she should be in jail so people are protesting that as well.

It's really not that difficult to stay out of the front yard, but they keep going out there. Do they have that right? Certainly, I just would choose not to do so under the circumstances. People want some truth and they are desperate to get it. If I could be there, I surely would, I wouldn't be shouting things, but that's just me but this thing has got us all consumed, today is my 17th anniversary, hubby calls me from his way to work around 2 pm and reminds me of this, not only had I forgotten the day, it's not occurred to me at all, anytime that is was even coming up. None of us know what to do with ourselves until this child is found and Cindy and George need to understand that when this thing went public, we all gave our hearts, we all feel Caylee belongs to us now, especially since none of the family seem to care about her.

They can say what they want, but their actions show that they are not out there looking for Caylee and there is no reason why a family of anyone missing wouldn't be supportive of LE and the public to search, afterall, if someone is missing, you really have no idea whether they are dead or alive and you would want BOTH avenues followed up to bring closure and give the missing person a proper burial as well as George and Cindy having the training they have know, the longer a body is out there, the more evidence is lost, which is what I think they are counting on. I mean my gosh, Tim is one of the nicest, giving people in this world and they can't get along with him? They want him to look for a live child yet they give him nothing to go on, what did they expect to happen?

They, just like Baez have done nothing but work on Casey's defense, that tells me all I need to know.If her child is found alive, why do you need to work on a murder defense?

I'm sorry, I just can't muster up any empathy for them until they start helping instead of hindering this ivestigation, they can start with June 15th.

jmo

[AZLady]

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Hi Mary

Is this the article?

http://www.orlandoweekly.com/features/story.asp?id=12610

Sounds to me like Jeffrey C. Billman can't take the Florida humidity one more day!  Try the dry heat out west, Mr. Billman.   

[Slogger]

Ok - please do not start attacking me!    I have been reluctant to post this for several reasons.  But a LE, not working the case, said he thought Caylee died by accident.  There is no big conspiracy.  The parents are just stupid and just doing what Baez has told them to do, so Casey can get a fair trial.  When I told him about some of the theories I have read, child sex ring/ porn ring, etc.  He just shock his head, rolled his eyes and laughed.  He last comment was before he left unexpectedly and in a real hurry, was look what Casey has put he parents through.  The media has done a number on the those parents, don't believe everything you read.

I know this to be very true because when I worked for DCF, I worked on a local "high profile" case.  Everything I read in the paper was so inaccurate and exaggerated. Long after my role was over, the daycare worker has found guilty for shaking a baby, but I was never convinced it was her.  Mom of shaken baby, went on a mission to educate parents about shaken baby syndrome, even appeared on Dr. Phil (archives have since been deleted of his web sight). 

Long story short, not too long ago - the mother of the child that got was shaken, was arrested for trying to brutally kill her own mother, her business partner.  It appeared to be premeditated. 

Lastly, if anyone accused my husband or son of incest, I would actually lose control.
I know I would!!  As a mother, I am very protective of my family and would go banannas if protesters were bad mouthing my family, even if my daughter did what Casey did.  I wouldn't lie for her but I would protect her.

I am not defending CA and GA, I think they should of kept ther mouths shut.  I think they have made the situation worse for themselves.  But after much soul searching, I would have probably already have been arrested for assault - and I am in no way - a violent person but I think I would probably take my hurt, anger, grief, frustation out on the world.




I am not a violent person, but I think I would have alot of misplaced anger and would take it out on the rest of the world.  Behind closed doors, I would think and hope Casey is feeling the tension.

I am not defending CA and GA, but I when I out myself in there shoes with the media

mytime -
sorry - accident does not explain anything that has happened. And her chances at a fair trial have been compromised by her own actions.

accident - no jail time.

intentional - life.

that cop is entitled to his opinion, but I'm not buying it.

THIS CASE SAYS INTENTIONAL ALL OVER IT, from top to bottom.

thanks for sharing what you know.

Maybe the cop was using an interrogative "tatic" in presenting that he could be understanding; by giving Casey the opportunity to latch onto to the excuse of "it was an accident".  IMO, it was a means to try to get Casey to confess...but she won't.

I agree here.  He was throwing something out there hoping she would bite at the chance to change her story...knowing fully well that an otopsy of the body would prove what really had happened.  Unfortunately for this cop, Casey too had already thought of that, meaning something bad did happen to Caylee, and it was no accident.

Casey was given ample opportunity to plead accidental death, and she did not take it.  The detectives, during the second official interview, did an excellent job proving she was a liar, and nailing down some of her answers for a trial.

I try to imagine what else they have on the case; how much they are accomplishing.  They were all over it, within the first few hours.

Bravo to LE! 

[anothermonkey]

http://www.foxnews.com/geraldo/

• What Happened to Caylee: The Anthony family is pointing fingers at a man they say could be responsible for the toddler's disappearance. Who is he? We'll introduce you to him

 

[jjayinthemorning]

Welcome jjay - the incest theory is contraversial to say the least. I for one have not discounted it as an explanation for some of Casey's behaviors.

Thanks, happy to be here!
The incest timeline gives motive.
The dates between when George watched them leave on 6/16 with complete detail of what they were wearing (obsessive!) and when he saw Casey alone again on gas can day 6/24 is crutial to understanding this case.
George's comment about "the body in the trunk was not my granddaughter" is so haunting too!
 

[Lala'sMom]

Otherwise known as multiple personalities.  She has the strong willed child personality...the domineering  cold hearted biotch personality and the please somebody help me in here personality.  Right now they are all intermingled.  a good defense attorney would milk that aspect for all it's worth...let's see which one of Casey's personalities are reading the blogs.

Lala's, the most severe multiple personality cases are the product of severe childhood abuse.  It's a coping mechanism of the mind to split and fracture in the face of abuse.  Reminds me of the classic Sybil.

I agree with you...whether it's incest or child abuse or domineering mother...doesn't matter something happened in Casey's life that made her this way.  Something that was traumatic to a child..this didn't happen overnight with Casey...this happened over a period of years while she growing up...you can't say it was all Casey's fault.  I know some kids just go bad no matter what you do for them..but it does not seem as if they tried to help her overcome this problem at any time.  I could be wrong here, but I blame the parents for a lot of this.  Caylee was Cindy's second chance to make it right...she had already screwed up Casey too badly. Thus the enormous denial on her part.  The pain of that is beyond comprehension to me. What we are watching is a family using every coping mechanism known to mankind to keep from feeling the true pain that is there.  It's like watching a car accident...you don't want to look but you can't help your self.  The Anthonys need to remain in seclusion and keep their mouths shut. It would help all around.  Ignore the protesters...ignore the media.  They are not helping you and you are not helping them. I honestly think if Cindy would just go in there and demand some information from Casey and then go to the police and work out a deal this would all be over.  Yes, Casey is going to jail for a very long time...but nothing in my mind tells me they don't want to know where Caylee is.  They at least can bury her and mourn.  Life will not continue until they do. My opinion of course.

[AZLady]

http://www.foxnews.com/geraldo/

• What Happened to Caylee: The Anthony family is pointing fingers at a man they say could be responsible for the toddler's disappearance. Who is he? We'll introduce you to him

 

My prediction: this will be another tabloid headline grabber with no substance.  Geraldo's out is in the phrase The Anthony family is pointing fingers. 

[kippy]

Ok - please do not start attacking me!    I have been reluctant to post this for several reasons.  But a LE, not working the case, said he thought Caylee died by accident.  There is no big conspiracy.  The parents are just stupid and just doing what Baez has told them to do, so Casey can get a fair trial.  When I told him about some of the theories I have read, child sex ring/ porn ring, etc.  He just shock his head, rolled his eyes and laughed.  He last comment was before he left unexpectedly and in a real hurry, was look what Casey has put he parents through.  The media has done a number on the those parents, don't believe everything you read.

I know this to be very true because when I worked for DCF, I worked on a local "high profile" case.  Everything I read in the paper was so inaccurate and exaggerated. Long after my role was over, the daycare worker has found guilty for shaking a baby, but I was never convinced it was her.  Mom of shaken baby, went on a mission to educate parents about shaken baby syndrome, even appeared on Dr. Phil (archives have since been deleted of his web sight). 

Long story short, not too long ago - the mother of the child that got was shaken, was arrested for trying to brutally kill her own mother, her business partner.  It appeared to be premeditated. 

Lastly, if anyone accused my husband or son of incest, I would actually lose control.
I know I would!!  As a mother, I am very protective of my family and would go banannas if protesters were bad mouthing my family, even if my daughter did what Casey did.  I wouldn't lie for her but I would protect her.

I am not defending CA and GA, I think they should of kept ther mouths shut.  I think they have made the situation worse for themselves.  But after much soul searching, I would have probably already have been arrested for assault - and I am in no way - a violent person but I think I would probably take my hurt, anger, grief, frustation out on the world.

I understand what you are saying BUT I fail to see how the media is offending them in any way.  Most of the time they are reporting facts that we see with our very own eyes.  We can read all the documents for ourselves.  LP was the one who hinted about DNA and being shocking.  The incest stuff came from bloggers.  IMO I think LE has been very close lipped about the entire case, anything more than that is pure speculation. 

Hi Kippy, just one example - where did the media get their info on that Casey did not want her baby?  From the documents, but it was Kio who said that and she didn't even know which Casey was calling her, wouldn't turn over her phone records. ect.  I don't think she was a very reliable source. 

I didn't know the media reported that, I've missed some.  I don't think Kio was reliable either but she put herself out there, its in the documents and anything released in the documents I think is fair game to report or speculate on.  I'm not arguing with you, please don't take it as that, its just my opinion.  If the Anthony's, any of them, would at least appear to be coorporative I think the media would be alot more friendly to them, as well as their own community may be supportive. 

Oh, I don't think you were agruing with me.  Your a nice monkey. 
But everyone reported, even on NG it was a "bombshell."  I like NG, Greta but I do think they get a little sensationalized.  Bottom line, it is about the ratings.  I am not saying they don't care, but it is their job to have high ratings.

Oh I totally agree.  Fox news wouldn't know breaking news if it bit em in the azz!  I think when there is little news to go on they sensationalize very much. I do think this case will probably end up being pretty cut and dry.   And, I think you're a nice monkey too!  

[Dolce]

http://www.foxnews.com/geraldo/

• What Happened to Caylee: The Anthony family is pointing fingers at a man they say could be responsible for the toddler's disappearance. Who is he? We'll introduce you to him

 

Well who the heck is the guy?  That was dated for Saturday..and its Sunday..LOL

[klaasend]

Welcome jjay - the incest theory is contraversial to say the least. I for one have not discounted it as an explanation for some of Casey's behaviors.

Thanks, happy to be here!
The incest timeline gives motive.
The dates between when George watched them leave on 6/16 with complete detail of what they were wearing (obsessive!) and when he saw Casey alone again on gas can day 6/24 is crutial to understanding this case.
George's comment about "the body in the trunk was not my granddaughter" is so haunting too!
 

I'm not 100% certain George is being truthful about seeing them on the 16th.   The gas can story is fishy all the way around.

[strayze]

Any information that Cindy has and can't let out is probably information that will be used in Casey's defense.  Why do I think that when this information comes out, that it will go something like this:  Caylee was kidnapped and Casey was told that if she goes to the police that something bad will happen to George, Cindy and/or Lee.  Casey will say that she HAD to lie to the police to save her family from harm (like we would believe that for one second when the woman couldn't manage to shed one tear during those interrogations). 

The WORLD is on to Casey.  I do feel compassion for grandparents in the context of their losing a granddaughter and even for parents in the context of dealing with a "certifiably psychotic" daughter; however, with them having all this knowledge, I don't have compassion for those who would NOT go forward and "do the right thing" (instead of aiding and abetting Miss Casey).  How can they live with themselves or sleep at night (wait...maybe they can't...maybe that's why they are jumping all over folks who let them know that the Anthony's...none of the Anthony's....are fooling anyone.  Truth hurts!!

My 2 cents...

Casey is not psychotic.  She's been evaluated at the jail for that.  She has a personality disorder, and personality disorders are not treatable.  She most likely has sociopathic personality disorder, uncommon for females, but it exists.  Casey will always be this way.  She will have no attachments, no feelings of remorse, or other feelings save for rage.  The prison system is loaded to the gill with sociopathic personality disorders.  That's where they tend to end up.  ///////Thank the good lord for prisons.

IMO - sociopathic is more unorganized and stressed out that Casey is.  Casey is cool, calculated and manipulative, which is more psychotic.  Casey has a disassociative disorder IMO.

Has Casey had episodes of time she cannot account for?  (time that is lost from the memory).  Is a dissociative disorder classified as psychotic?  Does Casey have alternate personalities? 

The psychiatrist on NG say that it's a disassociative disorder, which is not a multiple personality disorder.  They're two different things.

With regard to dissociative disorder, was the psychiatrist more specific as to which one of the several that are known and described in the medical literature?  Dissociative disorders to my understanding do not fall under psychoses. 

[jjayinthemorning]

http://www.foxnews.com/geraldo/

• What Happened to Caylee: The Anthony family is pointing fingers at a man they say could be responsible for the toddler's disappearance. Who is he? We'll introduce you to him

 

Geraldo is a goofball. Of course he would pick up a sensational story like that, that's his schtick. I don't blame him, he's entertaining.
George doesn't have Casey to manipulate so now Cindy will become his victim, this is typical behavior. Still points to incest by taking the attention off of the parents. Cind will never reveal the truth either, she is part of the tangled web.