Natalee Case Discussion #749 4/24/08 - 5/02/08

[San]

VAN DER SLOOT: She climbed on the bar, she laid down on the bar, and she called over the bartender by name, and he got a jelly shot for her and I took a jelly shot off her.

Why did the bartender give Natalee a "jelly shot"? Is it normal for bartenders to give "jelly shots"?

This bartender seemed to be familair with giving "jelly shots".

Especially the ones ordered by Joran.

[Lala'sMom]

VAN DER SLOOT: She climbed on the bar, she laid down on the bar, and she called over the bartender by name, and he got a jelly shot for her and I took a jelly shot off her.

Why did the bartender give Natalee a "jelly shot"? Is it normal for bartenders to give "jelly shots"?

This bartender seemed to be familair with giving "jelly shots".

As I understand it...someone will correct me if I am wrong...this is standard practice at these bars.  It's part of the club scene, I guess.  These girls buy jello shots or jelly shots for the guys.  The girl lies down on the bar and the guy..excuse my phrasing here...sucks or licks the jello off the girl's stomach.  I don't understand the reasoning behind it but then I can't understand a rave either. It seems that Joran took the jello shot off Natalee...he then in turn bought her the shot of what they call "red fire".  The 151  rum drink that was probably laced with the drug...IMO.  Remember I could have it all wrong.

[dennisintn]

2:26-2:34 am: Joran calls Deepak from his cell phone (DZNH)
2:34 am: Joran's younger brother Valentijn on van der Sloot computer (CRD)
2:38 am: Young woman resembling Natalee is captured on ATM video coming out of the bathroom opposite HI casino. To be seen exiting the bathroom but not entering, she must have passed through the pool area. She is dressed similarly to how Natalee was dressed at CnCs, but is wearing a different top (Renfro e-mail)

Deepak sends Joran a message telling him that he is waiting for him to get home and go online, and after that he will go to sleep (D 6/11)

Joran sends Deepak a message saying when he gets home he will go online (D 6/11)

2:46 am: Deepak sends Joran a message: "When you get home, miscall me" (DZNH)

Deepak goes back to chatting on the computer with Croes. He tells Croes that Joran is walking home and he is waiting up for him. (D 6/11)

2:45-2:50 am: 10-15 minutes after Joran's call to Deepak, he hears Deepak's car arrive. Natalee refuses a ride back to her hotel, so Joran leaves her on the beach (OTR, DZNH)

The younger brother was on the computer in the middle of the night?
Everybody was all of the sudden very busy with computers and phones?

Why?

Because Joran has been on the beach with Natalee en forgotten his shoes?

in one of deepak's polis statements, he says they were trying to establish alibis on the phones, computers, etc.  this is even hours before natalee is missed by anyone at her hotel.  as far as i'm concerned, this comment alone destroys all of their contentions that any of the 3 of them are innocent bystanders.
dennisintn

[Lala'sMom]

2:26-2:34 am: Joran calls Deepak from his cell phone (DZNH)
2:34 am: Joran's younger brother Valentijn on van der Sloot computer (CRD)
2:38 am: Young woman resembling Natalee is captured on ATM video coming out of the bathroom opposite HI casino. To be seen exiting the bathroom but not entering, she must have passed through the pool area. She is dressed similarly to how Natalee was dressed at CnCs, but is wearing a different top (Renfro e-mail)

Deepak sends Joran a message telling him that he is waiting for him to get home and go online, and after that he will go to sleep (D 6/11)

Joran sends Deepak a message saying when he gets home he will go online (D 6/11)

2:46 am: Deepak sends Joran a message: "When you get home, miscall me" (DZNH)

Deepak goes back to chatting on the computer with Croes. He tells Croes that Joran is walking home and he is waiting up for him. (D 6/11)

2:45-2:50 am: 10-15 minutes after Joran's call to Deepak, he hears Deepak's car arrive. Natalee refuses a ride back to her hotel, so Joran leaves her on the beach (OTR, DZNH)

The younger brother was on the computer in the middle of the night?
Everybody was all of the sudden very busy with computers and phones?

Why?

Because Joran has been on the beach with Natalee en forgotten his shoes?

in one of deepak's polis statements, he says they were trying to establish alibis on the phones, computers, etc.  this is even hours before natalee is missed by anyone at her hotel.  as far as i'm concerned, this comment alone destroys all of their contentions that any of the 3 of them are innocent bystanders.
dennisintn

Absolutely!!  They all knew.

[dennisintn]

VAN DER SLOOT: She climbed on the bar, she laid down on the bar, and she called over the bartender by name, and he got a jelly shot for her and I took a jelly shot off her.

Why did the bartender give Natalee a "jelly shot"? Is it normal for bartenders to give "jelly shots"?

This bartender seemed to be familair with giving "jelly shots".

As I understand it...someone will correct me if I am wrong...this is standard practice at these bars.  It's part of the club scene, I guess.  These girls buy jello shots or jelly shots for the guys.  The girl lies down on the bar and the guy..excuse my phrasing here...sucks or licks the jello off the girl's stomach.  I don't understand the reasoning behind it but then I can't understand a rave either. It seems that Joran took the jello shot off Natalee...he then in turn bought her the shot of what they call "red fire".  The 151  rum drink that was probably laced with the drug...IMO.  Remember I could have it all wrong.

the version i remember is that natalee and some of her friends had done jello shots with each other, fun and games.  the aruba crew is the only place i've heard that says jvds did a jelly shot with natalee.  as far as i'm concerned, it never happened.
dennisintn

[2NJSons_Mom]

VAN DER SLOOT: She climbed on the bar, she laid down on the bar, and she called over the bartender by name, and he got a jelly shot for her and I took a jelly shot off her.

Why did the bartender give Natalee a "jelly shot"? Is it normal for bartenders to give "jelly shots"?

This bartender seemed to be familair with giving "jelly shots".

As I understand it...someone will correct me if I am wrong...this is standard practice at these bars.  It's part of the club scene, I guess.  These girls buy jello shots or jelly shots for the guys.  The girl lies down on the bar and the guy..excuse my phrasing here...sucks or licks the jello off the girl's stomach.  I don't understand the reasoning behind it but then I can't understand a rave either. It seems that Joran took the jello shot off Natalee...he then in turn bought her the shot of what they call "red fire".  The 151  rum drink that was probably laced with the drug...IMO.  Remember I could have it all wrong.

I found we had a copy of Lee's 302 here...just forgot about it.. it's a screen shot, so it's a little harder to read, but doable.  Noticed her times don't match Joran's....guess that's been done before.....

As for the club scene, I don't know but I do know that when my sons were younger they were popular at parties. 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=810.0

[Lala'sMom]

See, Briany, there is always someone that has a better grasp of this stuff than me.  Thanks guys.

[briany]

VAN DER SLOOT: She climbed on the bar, she laid down on the bar, and she called over the bartender by name, and he got a jelly shot for her and I took a jelly shot off her.

Why did the bartender give Natalee a "jelly shot"? Is it normal for bartenders to give "jelly shots"?

This bartender seemed to be familiar with giving "jelly shots".

As I understand it...someone will correct me if I am wrong...this is standard practice at these bars.  It's part of the club scene, I guess.  These girls buy jello shots or jelly shots for the guys.  The girl lies down on the bar and the guy..excuse my phrasing here...sucks or licks the jello off the girl's stomach.  I don't understand the reasoning behind it but then I can't understand a rave either. It seems that Koran took the jello shot off Natalee...he then in turn bought her the shot of what they call "red fire".  The 151  rum drink that was probably laced with the drug...IMO.  Remember I could have it all wrong.

the version i remember is that natalee and some of her friends had done jello shots with each other, fun and games.  the aruba crew is the only place i've heard that says jvds did a jelly shot with natalee.  as far as i'm concerned, it never happened.
dennisintn

Fun and games, and if it's is common use in that bar, why not!

I don't know any places they give "belly shots". So I asked my 18 year old cousin: she goes out in the weekends, but she does not know the habit either.
Maybe it is a speciality of that bar or maybe a speciality of Aruba. 

[Tamikosmom]

On the morning of May 30, 2005 ... the coverup was in full swing.  Deepak was attempting to obstruct the investigation ... an investigation that had not begun as Natalee Holloway has yet to be missed.

Janet

++++++++++

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005

To your question as to who John Charles CROES is, where he lives and how often I have chatted to him on "MSN", I can say the following.  The afore mentioned John lives with his whole family in Miami. I have known him since school. We were together at the MAVO. On Monday Mai 30th 2005 I had chatted with John from about 02:40 to 03:30 hours. We didn't chat continually. From time to time I went and watched some TV. But I am sure that he was online during the time-frame I just mentioned above here.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 29, 2005

You are telling me that John Charles CROES has stated that I wrote while I was chatting with him that I had written that the girl had put her hands in/down my pants, I can say the following. I did this to frustrate/mess up the investigation.[/color] I wanted to direct the focus of the police on myself and Joran because we were afraid that Satish would get the details wrong with regard to the "Holiday Inn" story. I was almost certain that our telephone conversations were being taped and I was certain that my computer was being monitored too.

[MumInOhio]

VAN DER SLOOT: She climbed on the bar, she laid down on the bar, and she called over the bartender by name, and he got a jelly shot for her and I took a jelly shot off her.

Why did the bartender give Natalee a "jelly shot"? Is it normal for bartenders to give "jelly shots"?

This bartender seemed to be familair with giving "jelly shots".

Vague memories of bartenders at C&Cs...one left the island, a male, early in the case. And another was a friend of Steve Croes, IIRC. The last one is listed in the Dr. Phil documents and may have been a female.

[MumInOhio]

Sorry…Good afternoon or evening everyone…I am looking for an woman, possibly from Seattle and a cousin of Jossy’s that was down on her luck and went to Aruba with her son. Son may have gone to ISA with Joran. (Well his book said he did, so I say may). Jossy may have got the cousin a job at the airport with Customs.

Does anyone remember reading anything on this? TIA

[wreck]

Okay, a little education here. The proper term is "jello shot." Joran was just mis-pronouncing it. (Think Yogi The Bear  - Yellowstone Park = Jellystone Park.)
"Jello shots" have been around for years and years. You mix vodka with instant powderd jello and refrigerate in little 1oz. cups. After they set, you "chug" them just like taking a shot of booze. The part about taking the shot off a girl's belley is just a new twist.

[briany]

http://www.nwo-info.nl/2008/02/19/waarom-joran-niet-wordt-aangehouden/?cp=5

No 436 goes like this:

T Says:
april 26th, 2008 at 10:43
Feit: Natalee gebruikte en droeg cocaïne bij zich (bevestigd aan Renee).

 A Fact: Natalee used drugs and was carrying cocaine with her (confirmed to Renee).

This is funny. People who take cocaine do not fall asleep, but the Kalpoe brothers claim that Natalee felt asleep.
On the NOW block, poster T asks posters who do not agree with the Renee Gielen crowd, who they are and on which other blocs they post. They behave very intolerant to people with a different view.
The crowd writes that the person who wrote an article about Beth in Prive is the daughter of PeterR. De Vries. 


Does the behavior of Renee Gielen and her fortunetellers mean that something happened to Natalie in the house of VdS?
Is it possible that the Kalpoe brothers dropped Natalee and Joran at the house of VdS?
Is it possible that the body of Natalee is taken away from the house of VdS  that night and taken care of completely the next night when Beth arrived?
Is it possible that VdS warned the Kalpoe’s that they were in this too, and when they told the truth they would tell the police, the Kalpoe brothers had raped Natalee.

Beth arrived too early and unexpected at the VdS’s house.
Paulus reaction on Beth was very very suspicious.

I read that VdS did not live on Aruba. So VanderStraten came over especially to help Paulus? Why?
Did VdS visit Paulus moreoften? 

Renee Gielen       writes that, whether we like it or not, Natalee went in the car with the three all by herself.
Yes of course she did.

Joran probably claimed he was staying in the HI too (this is the story he tells girls), so Natalee was assuming she and Joran were having a lift to the Holliday Inn.

[MumInOhio]

http://www.nwo-info.nl/2008/02/19/waarom-joran-niet-wordt-aangehouden/?cp=5

No 436 goes like this:

T Says:
april 26th, 2008 at 10:43
Feit: Natalee gebruikte en droeg cocaïne bij zich (bevestigd aan Renee).

 A Fact: Natalee used drugs and was carrying cocaine with her (confirmed to Renee).

This is funny. People who take cocaine do not fall asleep, but the Kalpoe brothers claim that Natalee felt asleep.
On the NOW block, poster T asks posters who do not agree with the Renee Gielen crowd, who they are and on which other blocs they post. They behave very intolerant to people with a different view.
The crowd writes that the person who wrote an article about Beth in Prive is the daughter of PeterR. De Vries. 


Does the behavior of Renee Gielen and her fortunetellers mean that something happened to Natalie in the house of VdS?
Is it possible that the Kalpoe brothers dropped Natalee and Joran at the house of VdS?
Is it possible that the body of Natalee is taken away from the house of VdS  that night and taken care of completely the next night when Beth arrived?
Is it possible that VdS warned the Kalpoe’s that they were in this too, and when they told the truth they would tell the police, the Kalpoe brothers had raped Natalee.

Beth arrived too early and unexpected at the VdS’s house.
Paulus reaction on Beth was very very suspicious.

I read that VdS did not live on Aruba. So VanderStraten came over especially to help Paulus? Why?
Did VdS visit Paulus moreoften? 

Renee Gielen       writes that, whether we like it or not, Natalee went in the car with the three all by herself.
Yes of course she did.

Joran probably claimed he was staying in the HI too (this is the story he tells girls), so Natalee was assuming she and Joran were having a lift to the Holliday Inn.

IN A CAB…BACK TO THE H.I….IN A CAB….

[Blonde]

Ever wonder why the always protect Satish

[dennisintn]

Ever wonder why the always protect Satish

yes, YES, and yes, again.  he was l8 at the time, at least as complicit in what happened as deepak and jvds.  why is deepak so insistent on protecting him, and why is everyone else so compliant with his wishes to do so?
dennisintn

[wreck]

Ever wonder why the always protect Satish

::MonkeyShocked::They protect Satish because he is their "Cash Cow!" (He's going to be a medical doctor ya know!)

[briany]

http://www.nwo-info.nl/2008/02/19/waarom-joran-niet-wordt-aangehouden/?cp=5

No 436 goes like this:

T Says:
april 26th, 2008 at 10:43
Feit: Natalee gebruikte en droeg cocaïne bij zich (bevestigd aan Renee).

 A Fact: Natalee used drugs and was carrying cocaine with her (confirmed to Renee).

This is funny. People who take cocaine do not fall asleep, but the Kalpoe brothers claim that Natalee felt asleep.
On the NOW block, poster T asks posters who do not agree with the Renee Gielen crowd, who they are and on which other blocs they post. They behave very intolerant to people with a different view.
The crowd writes that the person who wrote an article about Beth in Prive is the daughter of PeterR. De Vries. 


Does the behavior of Renee Gielen and her fortunetellers mean that something happened to Natalie in the house of VdS?
Is it possible that the Kalpoe brothers dropped Natalee and Joran at the house of VdS?
Is it possible that the body of Natalee is taken away from the house of VdS  that night and taken care of completely the next night when Beth arrived?
Is it possible that VdS warned the Kalpoe’s that they were in this too, and when they told the truth they would tell the police, the Kalpoe brothers had raped Natalee.

Beth arrived too early and unexpected at the VdS’s house.
Paulus reaction on Beth was very very suspicious.

I read that VdS did not live on Aruba. So VanderStraten came over especially to help Paulus? Why?
Did VdS visit Paulus moreoften? 

Renee Gielen       writes that, whether we like it or not, Natalee went in the car with the three all by herself.
Yes of course she did.

Joran probably claimed he was staying in the HI too (this is the story he tells girls), so Natalee was assuming she and Joran were having a lift to the Holliday Inn.

IN A CAB…BACK TO THE H.I….IN A CAB….

On of the brothers was waiting outside for Natalee and Joran to step in the "CAB".
 
Joran writes in his book the atmosphere on the Island between black and white was not very good, because of the "slave past".
So were does the "slave story" comes from?

Natalee's supposed to have told that her mother is the sister of Hitler. 
Hitler died in 1945.   

[carpe noctem]

Ever wonder why the always protect Satish

Because he is the leakest link.

He still has fragments of
what used to be his soul left.

He'd snap in a minute if
someone layed the wicked heat
on him.

"I'll Finish Him." -Patrick

[carpe noctem]

*weakest link.

----


he frequently takes a "leakest"


He has a bladder the size of his brother's.