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BB Cheated! Cheater, Cheater!

I saw her in here at least 5 minutes before the old thread locked!  ::cartwheel::

Speaking of LVR.......(last thread), when I read this portion of jorans conversation with Patrick, I immediately thought he was talking about LVR. I mean here he is in the midst of telling how horrified he was and sorry for HIMSELF...yet he has such admiration for LVR...that he just had to stop and brag to Patrick about this persons coolness because of how poorly he treats women. This portion sounds truthful to me, and he is certainly not speaking about his father who he thinks is an idiot, nor do I think it is merely fabricated due to the timing/placement in jorans retelling of the events. JMO See what you think......


J: Yes, that’s what I mean. So yeah, I got her and put her a bit near those mangroves. And I told him: ‘I’m sitting here. You have to come over here.’ And he lives alone, he! He does not like that shit. Sometimes he has a bitch. He fucks them, but he lives alone.

P: Yeah, yeah.

J: Always. That’s the way it should be he says.

P: Yeah.

J: So then he came there and he told me: ‘Joraaan, what have you done man? She looks sweet, you know?

P: She’s just lying there?

J: She’s just lying there. She not doing anything. So he says: ‘Yeah, what happened?’ I said: ‘I don’t know man. I think she had too much to drink.’

P: But did you not try to resuscitate her?

J: Of course, Patrick, I tried everything, man. I tried to shake her, I was shaking her, I was shaking that bitch like ‘What's wrong with you?’ I almost wanted to cry.  ‘Why does this shit…..have to happen to me?

P: Of course, man, of course.

Looks like someone might have spiked your drink there little Sockmonkey...and you dozed off.

I'm a sockmonkey. I have no bones. How can you tell if I've dozed off or not?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Lorenzo is the only one we know who lives/lived alone.  Also, as I mentioned in the last thread, Joran is NOT getting approval for what he's done from Patrick.  He's getting yeah, yeah.  Even this guy who comes to help him says "what did you do?  She looks sweet."   If a good undercover cop had been doing this, they might have played up disrespect for women in some way and Joran would have admitted to more of what he did.  Remember, "Joran is crazy."  "Joran is a devil."  And Jan van der Straaten wanting to put him in a mental ward.  They all KNOW what this guy did, dammit. 

You were snoring.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

You were here as well?  And she managed to post first?   ::MonkeyLaugh::

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hi all!!

this is the part that always gets me....

I almost wanted to cry

  :twisted:

Hi Noly - actually it's this whole part that gets me:

J: Of course, Patrick, I tried everything, man. I tried to shake her, I was shaking her, I was shaking that bitch like ‘What's wrong with you?’ I almost wanted to cry.  ‘Why does this shit…..have to happen to me?

yes klaas...i agree!!

maybe he should've stayed home that night...ya know, it's all Anita's fault for not being home  :roll:

I wished he had  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hi Everyone - I haven't disappeared, I'm just up to my chin in house renovations.  It's all that I can do to keep up with the reading.  I've had a few thoughts over the past few days while I was reading everything that has been discussed.

I thought that this statement by Urine was very interesting as to who helped him with Natalee's body....

J: Yes, that’s what I mean. So yeah, I got her and put her a bit near those mangroves. And I told him: ‘I’m sitting here. You have to come over here.’ And he lives alone, he! He does not like that shit. Sometimes he has a bitch. He fucks them, but he lives alone.

If he is telling the truth, it does give some insight as to who this person could and couldn't be.  LVR comes to mind right away, but there is one more person who could also fit this description. John Chemaly, Jr. lives alone and is gay.  Urine uses the word "bitch" but he doesn't specify male or female.  Could "bitch" be a description for JC's male partners?  We were told that he and Renfro were both involved that night.  If Urine is even telling the truth here, his description of the helper living alone would eliminate Steve Croes, the Alpo brothers, Koen, and even Freddy.

My other thought has to do with land or sea.  I am starting to agree that Natalee was probably moved to two or more locations.  At this point, I'm not sure where she is.  Why has TES not returned to check those 150 sites?  If a body is in the ocean, it continues to deteriorate.  Wouldn't they want to retrieve her remains as soon as possible?  Did someone finally tell TES that she isn't in the ocean?  Was she in the trap that they found?  Tim was pretty certain when he placed that phone call to Dave.  OE watched as ALE took the evidence away.  Why hasn't TES been back, even when they were there to search for the missing Tromp man?

I have pretty much decided that if I had to get rid of something that I didn't want found, I don't think that I would put it in the ocean.  Once the object is dropped into the water, I would have absolutely no control over what would happen to it in the future.  It could be eaten by sharks, it could be found on the ocean floor by divers, or it could wash back up on the shore.  The ocean doesn't seem like a very safe hiding place to me.  I think that I would hide the object on land where I could watch and know for certain that my secret was safe.  Just a thought.

Hi SS.  Thats what Ive always said.  Put it where you know it will stay and live by it the rest of your life.

Of course the only safe way would be cremation, but there would be two many people to hush.

I have a question and I don't even know if anyone would know the answer.  Suppose that ALE did recover Natalee's body that day at the rocks.  Where is it?  They couldn't keep her all of this time in a coroner's drawer and they obvioulsy didn't return her to Beth and Dave.  Is there a pauper's cemetery or a Potter's Field in Aruba where ALE could bury someone and it wouldn't be noticed?  I have to think that ALE would be involving a minimal number of people in this coverup because they wouldn't want anyone to talk.  If it wasn't a Potter's Field, it would have to be in someone else's plot or a cremation.  Just a few more thoughts.

Always 1 - I just wanted to say hello before I collapse into bed.

Good nite SS Sleep tight!

Everything about this tragedy indicates to me that THIS WAS PLANNED, a CONSPIRACY & MANY were involved.  Why else did the VonCromvoit & Gottenboes abandon running businesses, lovely homes POST HASTE.

IMO they are all VERY VERY GUILTY, that's why.  The Stoolscums were probably the ORGANIZERS but they were all participants & each was just as guilty but the Stoolscums had the connections & primary responsibilty of running with the unaccountable consequences as JVDStoolscum (a minor so still able to see parents)would be well taken care of if the KIA became involved due to (Voc)King's past running of KIA so staff loyalties would be ensured.  The punk was getting high & having a grand old time while under the protection.  They ran their game knowing what the outcome would be, Vanderstratten took care of ALE, any evidence that would be found would be destroyed & it has been.

If it wasn't then I really believe that somebody would have called Natalee's family & told them the whole story if they themselves didn't have something to hide to protect themselves.

One of the advertisements of Aruba says "you cant get lost on Aruba".

You are 100% right. Natalee was recovered June 10th. It has been covered up ever since and the highest levels of Goverment are well aware. Where she is now is anyone's guess as she was moved SEVERAL times. I still bet the ocean was the final place -- but nothing would surprise me.

The 10th, is that when they found her in the rocks?

I believe so. It was when they announced to the world that one of the boys confessed and was leading them to the body.

Until...they want you to be lost....I'm really sick if their shit....

Altruist...yep following the same ole' plan...but, they didn't count on Beth, Friends and Family...*this*time...

Someone sent me all the chit posted on another forum very recently re: Some Monkeys..including me....here is what I have to say to those posters....***Many*** of you were born with great gifts...please...I pray...don't continue to let them whither away***...and to some others like *Reality*....F*** YOU...YOU PERV....if you don't back off...I swear...I'll post a *feelings reading* on you!!!....and you KNOW...it will be VERY BAD....go wash your soul....and stop trolling for women on *all* the forums you post on!...

Destiny

Well I DO NOT BELIEVE that the JUSTICE DEPARTMENT in the NETHERLANDS WAS HELPLESS AT ALL, THEY CHOSE TO SIT BACK. 

Our prayers would be well directed to those in the NETHERLANDS who are decent & want to END THE CORRUPTION that is CURRENTLY PROTECTED by the NETHERLAND BUREAUCRATS INVOLVED IN THIS COVERUP.

& you can bet your ass that if something like this happened to one of the daughters of the illustrious waste of breath GWB our country & it's AGENCIES WOULD HAVE ACTED.

OOPS!...Did I really post that....sorry just *my* feelings...

Destiny ;-)....Reality....you haven't a clue...

Altruist...Right On...do you have any suggestions...of how we can make more of an impact...where it counts?   TIA

Destiny

Long ago posters at Scared Monkeys knew why the whole crew of the youngsters of these sicko groups were hauled in as "suspects" IT WAS TO PROTECT THE PERVERTS.

NO AMERICANS SHOULD TRAVEL THERE AT ALL.  NOT ONE DIME SHOULD BE WASTED ON SUCH A CORRUPT PLACE FOR NOBODY IS SAFE.

NO LIVING BEING ACCEPT PERVERTS, THAT IS WHAT WILL FOREVER BE IN MY MIND IF THEY TELL ME THEY TRAVELLED TO THAT HELL HOLE, THEY WILL BE PERVERTS, END OF STORY.

THIS IS WHAT SHOULD BE ON ANY BILLBOARD OR FLYER:

ONLY PERVERTS TRAVEL TO ARUBA

Altruist, thats a very strong statement.  Are you saying Natalee's group shouldnt have gone to Aruba? 

Hi Chuckie -rat..Ya feel at home?...

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Well Destiny, I think only positive thoughts & prayers for those in the Netherlands working hard to communicate with the decent citizens of the Netherlands to STOP SUPPORTING PERVERTS WITH THEIR TAX DOLLARS.

That is exactly what is happening THE PERVERTED NETHERLAND BUREAUCRATS & POLITICANS ARE STEALING FROM THE HONEST CITIZENS OF THE NETHERLANDS TO OPERATE THE PERVERTED ISLAND OF ARUBA, THEIR PERVERT PLAYGROUND WHERE THEY PREY ON THE INNOCENTS.

Ok, Im confused........again.

Always...not speaking for Altruist...but, I think he's saying that no one is safe in Aruba...please correct me if I'm off base.....

No, that is not what I am saying, it is after Natalee's group came back without Natalee & this CORRUPTION became UNVEILED.  By the end of June 2005, coverup was in plain view & still is.

oh ok Destiny, thank you, Im really tired.  Wish I had one of your free puppies to curl up with and go to sleep.

Altruist...you *know* more than you post...BLESS YOU for what you do post...and I agree with you 100%...

Destiny

Could one of the moderator's either correct post #35 to read WITHOUT NATALEE or delete #35, whichever is the most convenient.  TYIA

Honey Bunch...I've worked the past 11 years here with a dog and cat rescue organization...do you *really* want a puppy?...can do Sweetie..if so...need to set you up with the adoption agency...it's like adopting a child....but I can facilitate the process...if you want...You Need a Dog...I can bypass the process and get you a dog/puppy...you need a puppy..not a full grown dog....

AMIGOE NEWS:

More traffic fatalities, brawling & shootings in Aruba.



http://tinyurl.com/5srm9n



Aruba
"There is little communication between government departments'
July 21, 2008, 16:41 (GMT -04:00)


http://tinyurl.com/5tgy9e

No, you're not offbase at all Destiny.

I have a nephew who is 29 years old & 2 months ago he was SHOCKED to hear that the worthless pervert PVDStoolscum was free & at large.

I told him well you never ever better travel to that hell hole of Aruba or anybody that you tell will put you in the category of a PERVERT & you are only as good as your reputation.

Oh, Destiny, I cant have one.  I travel too much, but tonight I wish I had one to cuddle with.

Carpe, I sent you an email.

Altruist, you have my attention.  Will you share what you think happened to Natalee?

Gosh Destiny, you rescue puppies and kittens too, does God know youre missing from Heaven?

Thank you for Your reply Altruist...you are a good Uncle...and what what you told him...is becomming so true for Aruba...they can lie about the tourist stats....but...anyone can check online...and *see* their lies.......It's all coming down ....Aruba will now show NO econonmic growth in the next 16 months....then the rioting....it will really begin....

(((((((((((((((((((Altruist))))))))))))))))))))))))

Destiny

I actually think I already did Always 1.

I think there was a pervert party for all ages & sexes of the pervert group, which appears to be a very large group & it was determined that when they were done with her she was to be done away with.  I don't think this was the first time this has happened nor do I think it will be the last I think this time the victim's family was/is large & have many friends who were supportive & they weren't going to believe the bunch of BS the perverts & their agent's were feeding them.

This is how the perversion came to light & that is why they hate them so much.  It put a damper on their pervert parties.

Always...God stuck me here to make sure I learned my lessons from last time....Yeah...Its' worth it....

Destiny

Altruist, I dont remember seeing anything you wrote about that before. 

Destiny, youre the second scared monkey today that has told me they have been here before.

I have written some before, I have been here since 2005 but am not a frequent poster but I would venture to say that I have read about 80% of the information on this case.  I was naive but no longer this is very clear to me now that it wasn't only this incident they are hiding it is the island modus operandi, they are perverts, they have a large group of them feeding on tourists & immigrants where they thought they would always have a never ending supply to satisfy their filthy pervert appetites.  How else does it make sense, if it is your son that you are trying to protect you just ship him off to a safer place which is what PVDStoolscum did but grown men left their businesses, their homes, sold boat one kid sold his car that he had only bought less than 30 days before.  To me that is a big indicator, who would do that if they were innocent??????

Altruist, I agree with you completly that that is what happpend. 

Blonde Wrote:
Thursday, the GPR team scanned an area in the Arikok National Park where a shallow grave and duct tape with blonde hair were found. I picked up the first dog team at the airport and took them to the hotel. A new witness came forward who said he saw a female being dumped in the Aruba landfill two days after Natalee disappeared. Kevin went to the landfill and listened to what the witness had to say. The information was credible enough for us to search the landfill tomorrow. I appeared on MSNBC's ABRAMS REPORT tonight. They asked me questions about the GPR and Natalee's search. I also explained Rachel's disappearance.

Suppose that ALE did recover Natalee's body that day at the rocks.  Where is it?  They couldn't keep her all of this time in a coroner's drawer
Yes, on a metal table with something white on her like a sheet.


If I'm not mistaken, this is the same area that the fishet/Natalee's shirt fabric, was found.

Got to sleep now, Destiny, I think more of you every day. Good nite.

PVDStoolscum had to stay behind with his corrupt buddies to take care of things as there were witnesses to him & his pervert offspring being seen with her, they bought off the Kalpoe pigs & here we are with no logical solutions from that hell hole nothing but a campaign to further harm Natalee's family & friends, a big charade of nothing while uttering the nonsense "we did everything we could, spent all kinds of money, blah, blah, blah. 

Bunch of crap from a bunch of perverts & their enablers.

Gee just had a thought.  What about a campaign of bumper stickers stating:  "PERVERTS TRAVEL TO ARUBA", one in English & one in Dutch.  Would that be an effective way to communicate?

The decent people of the Netherlands I don't believe knew they were SUBSIDIZING THE PERVERTS WITH THEIR TAX MONEY, but the INDECENT ones KNEW ALL ALONG.

Boy! Did you just hit the nail on the head! Not just a murder, not just a cover-up that was a joint effort with the perpetrators and Authorities, but a well orchestrated smear campaign to tear down the victim's family in the public's eye!

But, that "vacation paradise" marketing strategy just keeps on rolling along while they scratch their azzez and wonder what happened to the tourists! DUH!

How about a Bumper Sticker that says:

Perverts train in Aruba and graduate to Thailand?

That's a good one too, but too many letters, want them readable from afar, LARGE LETTERS THAT CAN'T BE MISSED.

Agreed, Altuist. Go with your version!  ::MonkeyWink::

Exactly.


...and like we needed more proof of that... but it is good to refresh the memory
anyway. You can really start to piece the global view of what was happening
looking back on everything after so much time has passed.


ALE SATISH KALPOE STATEMENTS


GIVE US A BREAK, ALE!


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SATISH - 6/10/2005 STATEMENT #2



I had awoken at approximately 06.30 hours on Tuesday. (May 31, 2005)

Was Deepak home at that time?

Deepak had just come home. I had asked Deepak where he had been. Deepak then told me he came from the police station. Deepak told me that he had to go to the police station because of the girl that had been with us on Sunday May 29th 2005.

What did you say to Deepak when he had informed/told you that the girl from Sunday went missing?

I had told my brother that this was impossible because we had dropped her off at the hotel.

Deepak said that he too did not know how the girl went/was missing.


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THE VERY NEXT DAY

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SATISH - 6/11/2005 STATEMENT




On Tuesday May 31st 2005 at approximately 02.45 hours I was sleeping in bed. At that moment I was awakened by my brother Deepak. Deepak had called me on my mobile phone 568xxxx. Deepak had called me with his mobile phone 568xxxx. Deepak said to me that the girl that had been with us on Sunday had gone missing. Deepak then told me that we should not say that we dropped Joran and the girl off near the Marriot Hotel but that we left her at the Holiday Inn Hotel. My brother had also told me that we should say that we had dropped off Joran at his place.


When Deepak called me he was together with Joran. I heard Joran instruct my brother what we had to say. My brother had told me that the father of Joran had told Joran that the police had come to their house. Before the police could come and pick me up I was called by my brother to tell me what I had to say if the police came to my house. The police did not come to my house that night. After I had heard that message I could not sleep.


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2 and 1/2 Weeks Later

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SATISH KALPOE 06/30/2005 STATEMENT


So far I have only told the truth. I have already told to you everything.



7/4/2005

Kalpoes are free to go.



ANOTHER DAY, ANOTHER STORY. ALE knew all along.

The entire thing was one big game with Natalee Ann's life.

It was one big raping, murdering ARUBA production.


I hope they all burn in hell, and the island blows sky high, I could care less.

It could not happen fast enough for this Monkey.

If this lucky little girl right here...

(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j305/binwhack1/11743033e78b52-1.jpg)


...did not have as strong character traits as she did, ALL OF IT

WOULD HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY SWEPT UNDER THE ARUBA RUG...

If she didn't have so many friends that loved her dearly...

If she didn't have a family that loved her to bits & would stop at nothing for answers...

We would have never heard another word about it.

ARUBA is a nightmare.

ARUBA WELCOMES PERVERTS


... and time to mention this one again:

FUBARUBA!

Above article also includes this --

Koen Gottenbos is up to his neck in this. If he was visiting friends in Florida that weekend there was no need for him to be questioned 3 times. JMO, but so is Jaime. Those questioned and rumored to be brought in August 30th., were there the night that Natalee disappeared.

Strange how Jaime and Koen’s statements for August show up on the Dr. Phil Log, but not our friend, Freddy, who was the one actually arrested?? Had to have something to do with the Kalpoe’s otherwise the other pimp's statements would not have shown up on the Log either???  So where are Freddy’s statements??

Mum I never saw, or knew that Koen made a statement.
 I thought Daddy said no to the ALE . Can you PLEASE point me to where I can read this ::MonkeyEek::

Blonde…Here are the pimps' statements for the dates I mentioned…Koen was there... ::MonkeyWink::

Name: Freddy Alexander Arambatzis
Date: 16 June 2005115:30
Pages: 8
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Marcelino Ras
Description: witness statement

Name: Sander Gottenbos
Date: 16 June 2005 / 17:10
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Shaniro Kelly & Clyde Burke
Description: witness statement (brother of Koen Gottenbos)

Name: Koen Gottenbos
Date: 16 June 2005 / 17:15
Pages: 10
Writer/Initiator: Luigi Croes & Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement of a friend of the Kalpoe's and Van der Sloot

Name: Koen Gottenbos
Date: 17 June 2005 111:15
Pages: 9
Writer/Initiator: Johny Erasmus & Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement

Name: Sander Gottenbos
Date: 16 June 2005 / 17:10
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Shaniro Kelly & Clyde Burke
Description: witness statement (brother of Koen Gottenbos)



Name: Leonardo Lopez Rivera (second statement)
Date: 29 August 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Carmen Aurora Pacheco
Date: 29 August 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Steve Croes
Date: 29 August 2005 / 9:15
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: A.R De Ruiter/ CJM Burgwal
Description: interrogation of a suspect

Name: Jaime Alberto Carrasquilla
Date:30 August 2005
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Koen Gottenbos
Date: 30 August 2005 / 18:30
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs /Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/civil_court_docs/arubancounselfile.htm


HO HO...It's off to Cincy I go...John Mellencamp... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Oh, Carpe I almost cried when I read this.  It is so true.  God bless Natalee and her family and friends.  She was a special spirit, full of life and honor.  How dare they do this to her.  Rot in hell Aruba. 

Blonde - I'm really not awake yet but I wanted to tell you...it's in the Dr. Phil motion to compel the number of statements Dr. Phil's people are requesting and I think there were actually 4.

 
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/KoenGStatements.jpg)

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/nhcase-statements.xls
    

Maybe the Sloots were so adept at manipulating things they made ALE believe that Koen had supplied a boat for Joran's use that night.  Maybe the Gottenbos boat was used without anyone in their family knowing it by someone such as Lorenzo.  Once Joran hinted that a boat was used, maybe the logical assumption was Koen's boat, since Sander had used it the night before. I guess what I am saying is just because someone indicates it was the Gottenbos boat does not make it so.  The way they twist things in Aruba it could have been anyone's boat. Yet, they allowed it to remain the Gottenbos as a means to throw everyone off the trail.  JMO

No, what I'm saying is that the Dr. Phil people have information leading them to believe that the statements were given.  I believe they were given.  I think when Dave says no statements from Koen were taken it was after Dave got the information regarding Koen's boat.

Right, there are many we haven't seen

The words in red caused me to jump down from the guest balcony once again:

On Tuesday May 31st 2005 at approximately 02.45

My brother had told me that the father of Joran had told Joran that the police had come to their house.

Proof of conspiracy, and early stages of coverup--

Beth's group did not arrive at the VDS compound until close to 3 am, the early morning hours of May 31, 2005.  By 2:45 am, PvdS had notified JvdS about the arrival of the police; JvdS told Deepak; Deepak called Satish.  I do not believe PvdS is clairvoyant.

ETA of Family group arrival at police parking lot (where there was an approx. 15 min. delay) . . . 2:40 am.

ALE knew; the Prosecutor knew; Everybody knew!

Agree Slogger... I had noted that early on also.  An obvious mistake on their part to allow that to get through. 

Yes Mare, agreed.  It had been noted.

The Theory is:  Shortly after the Family Group arrived in the parking lot, vdS' were notified.  MO, the "Meeting" broke up.  There was no need to tell JvdS and DK . . . they were on the spot; the participants of the "Meeting" scattered.  SK was not at the "Meeting;" therefore, he had to be contacted and told what to say.

MO:  It's more confirmation that a meeting took place, that what to say was discussed, because approximately 5 minutes they scattered, called SK and told him what to say.  The story had been concocted before they scattered.

Time is everything.

Slogger...how right you are!

They are such sorry excuses for human beings.

Additional proof could be the desperate attempt to change time, to push back the arrival of the Family Group to an earlier time.  It would be necessary to do this if there were proof of the 2:45 am call to SK.

I can understand doing this when you are crunched for time and in a "panic" but they must have seen how foolish it was later... but that's what lies do to you, they create a need for more and more until one is buried in them. 

Yes, I think they did panic; but, were able to cover up, later.

"My brother had told me that the father of Joran had told Joran that the police had come to their house. " (SK)


The father had told Joran.  He must have been talking in his sleep.  When PvdS came into view, it's reported that he had a phone with him. 

"The officers sount their horns and sirens for about five minutes before a man answers the door.  He is Joran's father, Paulus van der Sloot.  He has his cell phone in his hand."

[LOVING NATALEE, page 45]

Rachel Cooke maybe?

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/11/10/michael-keith-moore-has-been-charged-with-the-murder-of-raclel-cooke/

Hello Blonde,

I don't mean to be argumentative, but I believe you may have the wrong "Fransisco" listed here.  The one you have listed was associated with VCS Carribean N.V. which is a security company.

The one I think you are referring to is Francisco Remigio Thiel who is listed as a fisherman and shows up on Grande's spreadsheet twice.  Once on June 5th, 2005 where he was interviewed on the same day as the two security guards.  As a matter of fact, he was interviewed in between the times the two SG's were interviewed. 

Mickey John at 10:30 interviewed by Clyde Burke
Abraham Jones at 10:55 interviewed by Clyde Burke
Francisco Remigio Thiel at 13:55 interviewed by Clyde Burke / Johny Erasmus
Abraham Jones again at 15:45 interviewed by Clyde Burke

I find that a little odd, but... 

He shows up on the spreadsheet a second time on June 8th and was interviewed by Dennis Jacobs and Juan Enrique Boezem.  I do not see a specific time for this interview.  The spreadsheet shows "indication of an area" as the association of this interview.

I think the "fisherman" and Francisco Remigio Thiel are one and the same.  I don't think there were two different people making that claim.

YES www.rachelcookesearch.org/arubasearch.html

you are exactly right, sir.  that's why aruba supporters are working so hard to stain natalee and her family's name.  it's an exercise in futility, but their "blame the victim" strategy is the only thing they have.  eventually the truth will win.
dennisintn

OT just one more example that illustrates many in Aruba don't know right from wrong. Is this so cool you want to put it on youtube for all the world to see the  cruel and seedy side? Next we will see the brothels on you tube...... ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TFYGF-vNIQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaHLYM4HLdE ::MonkeyNoNo::

Disgusting place.

More that you won't see in the AHATA videos from Aruba:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9vFggJU3kE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-KGW3UUE6E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGG4Lv_eG7w

That's also when Beth said she "buried Natalee in her heart".... :(

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


AMIGOE NEWS:

ARUBA


Nelson Oduber of Aruba says EVERYTHING IS

JUST GOING FINE IN ARUBA. Other people say cover-up?

http://tinyurl.com/5srm9n


Are you insured in Aruba?

http://tinyurl.com/5a35yz


OM of Aruba jails people for not paying fines.

Rape and murder is still okay, though.

http://tinyurl.com/64tej2

DANA PRETZER TONIGHT

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Mother Joran: Our live goes on

ORANJESTAD - The parents of Joran van der Sloot want to pick up the thread again. It says the mother, Anita van der Sloot,  We try life as good and as evil as it comes just as possible to tackle. We have more children, you know''
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Anita van der Sloot looks excited. When pruning in the garden to retrieve them from the media that last week ample attention to the broadcast of Peter R. de Vries.

They told their son under the eye of hidden cameras in almost three years ago with the missing American girl Natalee Holloway on the beach in Aruba would have happened.


,, The media distort the facts and only one side of the story ever told. It is better not too much to say. Everything is still against our intentions explained,''says the mother of Joran.

Anita van der Sloot described the broadcast of De Vries in which her son told his father that an illegal mobile phone smuggled into the cell had, as "terrible." She regrets that she, her husband and Joran in the talk of Pauw and Witteman had taken their seats. ,, That was very stupid. That we should not do.''

After the broadcast Joran threw a glass of red wine in the face of Peter R. de Vries. Images of this came soon outwards.


'Bon gang'

It is a house that anyone on the Aruban island is content to have. The cheerful yellow-blue-red of the walls of Montanja 19 is under the burning hot tropical Sunday no sorrow, as it seems.

In the cosy quarter-messy lives Van der Sloot's family for almost 20 years. Among locals, other Dutch and Americans. None patserige enclave full of expats. No, the family is properly known as socially involved. They learned the native language: Papiamento, participates in everything. Joran brother was even be admired by an exuberant carnival. ,, Life goes on.''

The 'confession' of Joran van der Sloot in crime reporter Peter R. de Vries about the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and the subsequent questioning by police last Friday appears to have had little effect on the reputation of the family.

The parents of Joran his' gang bon "(good people) says L. da Silva for a Chinese-run supermarket. The men around him lurks in the local 'Balashi' and nodding assent.


,, Here in Aruba the people know the story of course, already much longer and better than in the Netherlands.''Friendly Anita van der Sloot is still on this Sunday afternoon convinced them that the people in any case nothing bad.

,, In the Netherlands, the story only much later a real role to play and that gives a distorted picture.''Perhaps they would still turn out to explain it all. ,, But so far we even say nothing because everything unilaterally by the media is told.''

Johan - have you taken any recent trips to Den Doulder?   ::MonkeyHaHa::

SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSStttttttttttttt ::MonkeyHaHa::

Posted at RU:

Black-Tulip wrote:
UPDATE

Patrick's book Overboord

week 1 - #25
week 2 - #25
week 3 - #51
week 4 - dropped off the top60 list

FU ANITA VAN DER SLOOT OF ARUBA,

YOU LYING BAG. GO MULCH

YOUR GARDEN OF DEATH!

Hey,

Did you turn your serial lying, psychotic, gang-raping, murdering son's

room into the sewing room while he is away at BFU in Thailand????


Inquiring minds WANNA KNOWWWW, HO!!!!!

 ::MonkeyCool::



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Oh that book  ::MonkeyConfused::

Joran was in Arnhem in the the Netherlands
How was his contact with his parents?
He must have told them that he has a "new" friend there, named Patrick v Eem
I think that it is easy for Paul vd Sloot to find out who this Patric is
His past etc .And maybe he knows that Patrick had contacted the police here in the Netherlands  to work for them as a infiltrator !Maybe is the police here so corrupt that they told PvdS about Patrick's plans
Paul vd Sloot has contact with several Judges (Bob Wit) Karin Janssen and  corrupt policemen .
And why was Joran for a short time in Aruba  during that infiltration ?


 

GOOGLE TRANSLATOR


ANITA VAN DER SLOOT  TO ENGLISH




Anita van der Sloot looks excited. When pruning in the garden


she needs to prune that nasty growth she has coming out of her neck!


The media distort the facts and only one side of the story ever told. It is better not too much to say. Everything is still against our intentions explained,''says the mother of Joran.


joran pretty much said he did everything but kill the b**** on tape.


Anita van der Sloot described the broadcast of De Vries in which her son told his father that an illegal mobile phone smuggled into the cell had, as "terrible." She regrets that she, her husband and Joran in the talk of Pauw and Witteman had taken their seats


rather than hear about what my psychotic husband did, i wish i hadn't gone on the tv show altogether and planted by big fat bohunkus in a chair. it gave me a
wedgie.


After the broadcast Joran threw a glass of red wine in the face of Peter R. de Vries.


what wine? i didn't see any wine!!!!



Joran brother was even be admired by an exuberant carnival. ,, Life goes on


but Natalee's doesn't because my son and husband killed her and got rid of her.


The 'confession' of Joran van der Sloot in crime reporter Peter R. de Vries about the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and the subsequent questioning by police last Friday appears to have had little effect on the reputation of the family.


Arubans don't care about gang-rapists and murderers. what is a reputation?


Here in Aruba the people know the story of course, already much longer and better than in the Netherlands


here in Aruba we continue to lie about the Holloway case.



In the Netherlands, the story only much later a real role to play and that gives a distorted picture.


in the Netherlands, Peter De Vries continues to broadcast the truth about what happened, that my son & my husband are brutal, soul-less killers. hey, anybody up for a trip to the supermarket???


 ::MonkeyRoll::

Exactly.

And just because they said boat doesn't mean it was so.

I agree.  I always said there was a meeting at the Sloot dump.  Paulus' own words were I believe how did you get here so fast when Beth arrived.  Joran was hiding in the house with Deepak.  Freddy ran home to his house with Jaime.  Van der Straaten was there too but he took off once they got the call.

PATRICK VAN DER EEM'S - OVERBOARD

Page 274 - 280

Joran:


J: Yeah, ok, but the most important thing for us is that….the most important thing is just the misinformation,  you know?




Yes, he is REALLLLLLY innocent, Anita.

John and Jones gave us the "pool meeting."  Deepak's license plate # says that he was there.  The 2:45 phonecall to Satish confirms that Paulus was up and alert before the Family Group got to the house.

Freddy knew on Monday--which means he probably was there.

At the moment, I don't think Jaime was there.  Jaime is the one who announced that Joran had called him to go to CnC's to meet the American girls before Joran claims he decided to go there.  It was a statement against Joran's interest.  Jaime did attend one of the "meetings"--he says on Friday or Saturday with Koen and Sander.

I don't think Jaime received the "full memo." 

So I saw a thread Titled"questions for Art"and saw it had a new post on it.I don't remember seeing this thread before so I started on page one(there are only 2 pages total)and found questions to Art that Monkeys had posted back in the summer of 2006.Then I ran into Blondes post(posted today)and just want to say thank you Blonde for bringing that over!
VERY interesting reading,Blonde has posted all the answers from the questions asked of Art back in 2006.I'm only half way thru reading your post Blonde....will finish it tomorrow.

Aahh,thank you MrsKub,I think so.

 And I will never, ever forgive them or forget them for that smear. As for the Aruban people, I am not angry at them as a group, but I am angry to those who sat back and did nothing, those who intentially misinformed, those who did not have the strength of character or backbone to speak up.
Rant over, I feel somewhat better now.

Where is everyone?

Was GVC's uniform the black one?  If he were to come out of the dark, would Joran be afraid enough to hand Natalee over to him?  Is his father important enough for the isalnd elite to sacrifice the welfare of the entire people for three years or longer???

What if Joran and the Kalpoe brothers drugged, raped, and hurt Natalee but left her in the bushes near the Fishermens Shacks, had to go home to make things right, but intended to come back later.  Then she was gone.  They didnt know what happened to her.

Klaas,

"Current government begrotingsgat digs for the next '
July 22, 2008, 18:52 (GMT -04:00)

Didja catch this one from Amigoe yet???


http://tinyurl.com/6zob87


It may be good enough for an FP post?

Ok, Im just talking to myself.  But this has really been bugging me.  I thought if the 3 boys didnt rape, kill Natalee alone, if some of the elders were involved, then why, when they were all alone, didnt they discuss it.  I kept asking an older monkey this and he said he felt their talk was scripted.  I never thought of that.  That would mean the elders told them what to say when they were being taped at the very beginning.

If they "merely" drugged, raped, hurt her and left her in the bushes then they are 100% guilty of murder. Who cares if they don't know what happened to her afterwards???? What's your point?

Maybe we can get a better translation from Jossy or one of the Dutch posters on this.  I agree, would make a good front page but we need to clean up the translation.  I can clean it up some.

Thanks!

No Wreck, if they left her there alive and someone else got her, they would make sense.  Then Joran would have made up his Joran to Patrick for drugs.

I guess I'm not following you.

I think it is a stretch imo to think that these losers could memorize entire scripts

of what to say. Especially when you consider, a large part of why the case

has been able to be picked apart so well... is because of their hasty mistakes,

and Joran's big fat lying mouth. A lot of it is Bs... because as you read Joran

tell Patrick, the most important thing is the MISINFORMATION. Mixed in what that disinfo,

are nuggets of truth, where their brains have betrayed them. That's my take on it,

anyway.

That is exactly what many in Aruba would like us to think but this is BS. 

Then Carpe, if it was just the 3 boys involved, why would the elders let everyone else suffer???

After seeing how many times the boys have backtracked and lied

about what happened to Natalee... as many times as they have been

caught each and everytime in those lies.


That is getting into MAYBE MY DOG DID IT territory, for me.

I do not do the ELDERS bit.

But Carpe and Wreck, if they did it alone, and Im sure not saying they didnt, why are they so darn important?  And important is not the word Im looking for.

Did they go to a Rave first, or just take Natalee to the beach or to Jorans house?

They did it, Paulus and his very tight circle of Dutch friends

with the power to help him destroy & sabotage anything that

could resemble evidence, helped him cover it up.

Once that harm to a case has been done, it has been done.

If anyone knows that, it is Paulus.

Ill go back and read their conversation again, from your point of view.  Nite Carpe.

Before his "I wanna be a judge training" Paulus was in charge of
government contracts.  He knew where all of the bodies were
buries so to speak.  We are not sure that he had mafia contacts
but assume that he helped with the contract for the mafia owned
casinos.  He called in his favors in a blackmail fashion.
Once the coverup started, it snowballed and there was no turning
back.....all to cover for his wothless son.

Always 1 - here's what I think.  Joran and his friends, "the pimps", play a game of picking up tourist girls and having their way with them.  They most likely slip a drug in their drink but in their minds it's OK because they all are asking for it anyway.  This is the mindset of the Aruban male.  So Joran and whatever friends he's with end up with Natalee this time.  They do what they always do but this time either Natalee says NO and they get rough, or Natalee OD's because of the drugs they have given her.  Normally, they would just leave her on the beach but Natalee's family (Beth and Jug) showed up too quick so they lied.  When they were caught in their lies they lied again. 

I believe they couldn't let Natalee's body be found because it would show evidence of being drugged and raped.  They made the decision early on to cover it up to protect the tourist industry.  Once they decided they had to stick with it at all costs.  Paul van der Sloot may not be the richest person in Aruba but he has info on people and leverage with ALE/Judiciary and Government.

Yep

Wreck, Carpe and Klaasend.  I am just thinking out loud.  You all know the case far better than I do and I respect and admire all of you.

Joran even is so bold as to give us insight as to

the formula of how it goes down.

Satish tells you in statements, they are doing this every weekend.

......



PATRICK VAN DER EEM'S - OVERBOARD


Pages 240 - 251 from 16-01……..
 
P: Tell me exactly, ok. Carlos ‘n Charlies. You left there with her with those two or..?

J: I went there…ok, this is how it happened. I was at the casino, ok? I went and sat at the blackjacktable. Bit of blackjack, a little big money. There are a lot of girls at that table. I’m flirting with them, talk a bit with them, smooth. Then they tell me... We perfectioned this, Patrick. We made up a whole story of ‘we come from the Netherlands, also on holiday here’. We had perfectioned that playershit for those girls, you know? Because when you say: ‘I’m not a local’ then they immediately only want to f***, you know? They know, that’s how they play it: go high-roller a bit. Those bitches are going crazy there, Patrick, you know this. The will, they can’t do anything. So yeah those bitches just ask me: ‘will you go out with us tonight? Will you go to Carlos 'n Charlie's, that bar, tonight?’ And I said, ‘Yeah, that's fine’. They'd already been drinking the entire time, he?



Joran's Book



P 46

My friends and I lied many times that we were on holidays ourselves as well. Girls are a little suspicious about the local boys, the so-called ‘beach bums’. They believe that these boys only try to get them into bed, but if you say you’re on holiday as well, you’ve already taken that hurdle. The more often you do it, the better you know what exactly the best manner is to do it. Most of the time I did say that I had lived on Aruba when I was young and that we still had a house on the island. This immediately explained why we were so familiar with the best clubs and bars.



 
P 49

We occasionally rented a hotel room. Once, three of us guys all had sex with girls at the same time. An American girl gave me a blowjob on the balcony, Deepak was in the bathroom together with a girl, and Freddy with an American girl in the room itself. We’ve never shared a girl with all of us and never did threesomes. That’s just a step too far for me. We did once make topless photos of a girl at our hotel room.



....


I am King of the Ocean, except when I am seasick because I don't like boats much.

 -Joran Van der sloot

My thinking is that this was a fairly simple crime by the son/sons of a few prominant people on the island . The fathers called in some early "favors"- namely by Van der Stratten. The crime was about to be exposed on June 10th when the REAL power brokers on the island decided that a grizzely murder committed by "locals" would be devestating for tourism. The deception snowballed until there was no turning back. By then -- too many people would go down for corruption for covering up. They never banked on a mother like Beth or people like those at SM to be intently focused on them forever!

None of us know with certainty, we can only give you our opinion on the subject.   ::MonkeyWink::

Yep  ::MonkeyCool::

Exactly!

I do not know the timeframe of Patrick's infiltration....what was it?

I've caught up reading but came back to this because it stood out for me, personally.  Having a lot of stormy weather here in the northeast.

2NJ - I don't know off the top of my head either.  I want to say that he befriended Joran for months from the middle of 2007 to early 2008.  I don't have exact dates handy though.

That's cool, and I didn't mean to be brusk. I hope you did not take it that way. ::MonkeyWink::

me either! ::MonkeyCool::

Nope, love you both, nite nite.

That is it in a nutshell, Wreck. That is also why I think people are still so furious

about it. It is just so completely and utterly senseless to do to a human life.

Especially, someone as decent as Natalee. She was a sweetheart, she wouldn't

have hurt anybody!!!! Not a soul.

The backtracking and lies are what keep me scratching my head. That very thing is what busts many criminals in this country. The fact they got away with it is what I can't understand. It's as if, they could have a video of the crime, and still not prosecute. JMO

Do you mean that "leverage" that Arubagirl denied? I say this with a dose of sarcasm.

That is why Joran is so emboldened. He has CONFESSED to the crime SEVERAL times and yet NOTHING happens to him. He KNOWS that too many "higher ups" are not going to go down with him. He is safe.

It is that old snowball...complete with psychics

If vander S was really boinking his hired help, then I bet there was plenty held over his head to entice him to help out wonderboy and friends.

or was it oduber, no matter, they are all creeps.

Rudy Croes, Oduber, Briesden(sp?)

well dang, was I that far off? Know it was one of those old fa***

Nope, you are right on! There's a bunch of 'em!

Always 1...You need to review...your thoughts...and feelings....on this case...

(((((((((((Always)))))))))))))))))

Destiny

Wreck...Good Spirit Dude.......Des.

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CARPE! You found her eHarmony.com entry!   ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

It's easy to stay one step ahead of ALE if ALE lets you know what that next step is.

she can't write her own name  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 I saw that Too... so I posted it in that thread so we could see it better.
 Klaas I hope that was OK I just never saw it before.

I know I am day late in getting to this post, but I fell it incumbent of me to point out that when discussing this case there is no actual proof that the situation with the "elders" exists.  Unfortunately, it's simply a statement made by a poster on the FP that began that story.  Shango mentions elders and as of this moment in time there is little, if any, proof that such a situation exists at all.  This is why there is a separate thread for Shango.  Not everyone thinks he had anything legitimate to say when he posted.  However, in the past 3 years we have come to find out that there is a type of "network" that operates on Aruba that does indeed have some ability to keep a, then 17 year old, kid and his buddies out of jail and living the high life while justice goes into the ocean. So I would say it's a matter of opinion as whether you believe in "elders" or not.  Those "aiding and abetting" Joran's escape from justice would certainly have to be older than Joran and posses the power to make it happen. MOO

When we think of "they" here I think not only of Wee Winky and company.  I think this is a common practice understanding on Aruba.  (Max DeVries, Buddy Larson, etc.)  I think the body was located by ALE based on the original confession around June 10/11.  ALE then disposed of the body themselves.  That is why Joran does not know where she is and is also very confident that she will not be found.  He knows ALE will never let that happen because if they do hand and sweaty running man will tell the world how Dirty Hand and company took charge of the disposal.  I think Van Der Straaten (Dirty Hand) needs to be hauled in and ripped a new one until he tells what ALE REALLY did.

July 18, 2008
Navy News

ABOARD USS DE WERT - While on patrol in the Eastern Pacific Ocean, USS De Wert (FFG 45) with embarked detachments, Helicopter Anti-Submarine Squadron Light 46 Det. 1 (HSL-46 Det. 1), Coast Guard Law Enforcement Detachment (LEDET) 103, and Colombian Navy ship Buenaventura interdicted two go-fast vessels July 11, each carrying over one ton of cocaine.

The two suspect vessels were tracked and interdicted by the joint efforts of De Wert, HSL-46 Det. 1, LEDET 103, and Buenaventura. De Wert recovered several jettisoned bales from one of the suspect vessels. These bales were later confirmed to be cocaine. Five alleged traffickers from the second go-fast were detained on board De Wert by the crew and LEDET 103. The suspects were later transferred to another U.S. Naval vessel in the vicinity.

The six alleged traffickers from the first go-fast vessel, two tons of contraband, and both go-fast vessels were transferred to the Colombian Navy.

The coordinated actions of the U.S. Navy, U.S. Coast Guard, Joint Interagency Task Force-South (JIATF-S) in partnership with the Colombian Navy were instrumental to the successful interdiction of over two tons of narcotics.

De Wert, homeported in Mayport, Fla., is currently deployed in Latin America under the operational control of U.S. Naval Forces Southern Command (NAVSO)/U.S. 4th Fleet, conducting counter illicit trafficking operations in support of JIATF-South, U.S. law enforcement and U.S. and participating nations drug control policy.

De Wert is also supporting the U.S. Maritime Strategy by conducting Theater Security Cooperation events, such as community relations projects and Project Handclasp distributions, in the Caribbean and Latin America.
 
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Early rumor:

But the biggest rumor is this; Joran did get out of the car with Ms Natalee(at the lighthouse/arashi beach)...Accidentaly she stumbled at the beach..She fell on rocks where she hit her head pretty hard.And since then passed out.THey dropped her off a far distance from the Holiday Inn.BUt as guilty as they felt came back a few minutes later to check on her.She was still in the same position as when she was dropped off.Then they discovered she still had no pulse and supposed she turned ice cold and purple.SO they all panicked , took her back in the car , and started to plan what to do.
That is how much i know of this 'rumor'.
This is sooo sickening.These guys SHOULD be pressured MUCH harder ..Make them soob so hard they can't even think straight ,so they confess to this.
I believe the rumor.This is a shame , as for I am born and raised on this lovely island. And it makes me sick ! This is unfair , no matter how drunk this girl was.It's utter and completely wrong.
May god rest Natalee's soul..
58. Posted by AuA82 | June 13, 2005 4:44 PM


http://tinyurl.com/2mn82l


The underlines are mine.  No accident, no guilt and I believe Joran came back with dad and Val.

and jvds, the student of criminal law, and his father, the failed judge-in-training, decided that although abslutely no crime had been committed, and an accidental death was all they had to contend with, decided to destroy the child's body?  for what possible reason?
dennisintn

and his best friend Vock-King decided to take off work to show support to the acting-as-a judge and his innocent son. 

Dennis, I think physical damage is the reason.  We've heard "hit head" too many times.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/stories/derde-week-in-bestsellers-lijst/#comments

One of the comments through the translator:

July 23rd, 2008 at 8:51 am

Mark said:


What a book; incredible. And what a story, but rather anyone who doubts should do themselves a favour and read this book. What then of his confession which may include: Joran was Natalee when her what did and therefore 100% involved in her disappearance.

I heard you say that you have a hard head in that case (legally) is resolved…. And what later hear / I read that you think that there is still a spectacular twist at the end of this year is to come.

How do you think about it now?

RESPONSE PATRICK

The same. The probability that Joran runs against the lamp is larger than the other way around.

????? I'm too dense to decide what is meant here. Is the "lamp" the "light of truth"?

RESPONSE PATRICK

The same. The probability that Joran runs against the lamp is larger than the other way around.
[/quote]

????? I'm too dense to decide what is meant here. Is the "lamp" the "light of truth"?
[/quote]

i had the visual image of someone running carelessly down the street and into the lamppost.
dennisintn

I don't think you are dense at all....you hit the nail on the head....Wreck!  You're a translater now ;-)

Des

Well, thanks -- but, I knid of like dennisintn's interpretation better!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Scripture maybe?  Something about the lamp being the light of the world?

I don't think it is anything "deep meaning" -- just kind of a slang phrase from The Netherlands when translated to English.

Klaas sorry , OT here when you have a moment Missing Persons: George Gilbreath FOUND SAFE  TIA

Just like Lisa Lubner's dad from SNL (born without a spine) ::MonkeyCool::

There ya go Wreck!  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Ok, Wreck, do you think it could like in the old days when they used a lamp (kerosene) so running againt the lamp would mean running againt time???

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RESPONSE PATRICK

The same. The probability that Joran runs against the lamp is larger than the other way around.
[/quote]

????? I'm too dense to decide what is meant here. Is the "lamp" the "light of truth"?
[/quote]

I don't think you are dense at all....you hit the nail on the head....Wreck!  You're a translater now ;-)

Des
[/quote]
Well, thanks -- but, I knid of like dennisintn's interpretation better!! ::MonkeyHaHa::
[/quote]

roflmfao, you only like mine better because of the pain involved. 
dennisintn

That is why Joran is so emboldened. He has CONFESSED to the crime SEVERAL times and yet NOTHING happens to him. He KNOWS that too many "higher ups" are not going to go down with him. He is safe.
[/quote]


With all the judges being friends of Pustus, what should we expect? What were the judiciary leaders in Holland thinking when they let this miscarriage of justice begin and carry on for three years? Those are their boys. PVDS is one of them. We have heard this goes all the way to the Hague? Of course it does. They're all one big network of friends.

Did it ever cross anyone's mind in Holland that there might be some huge conflicts of interest when one of their judge in training's son was arrested for murder? Did it ever cross their minds that PVDS worked with all of their judges and knew them personally? Hell no, they still have Rick Smid running the show two and a half years later. They did nothing but sit on their butts in Holland and let injustice run rampant among the people they sent there to deliver it.

Same goes for their Prosecutors sent from Holland. They worked with Paulus. One of his best friends worked for Karin Jannsen. He even took off work to help Pustus in his time of need, openly. This was public knowledge. Here again, did it ever occur to anyone in Holland they might have some serious conflicts of interest on their hands? Hell no. This is what you get when you allow friendships to override justice and integrity in a legal and judicial system.

Hi Monkey's!
I Have Been reading This Forum For Sometime Now. I Have Been Waiting For My "Approval" So I Could Tell Everyone What A Great Job You All Are Doing For Natalee. I Am More Of An "*******" As I Have Been Keeping A Close watch On This case from the Beginning. I Have Learned A lot By Reading Forum's. And I Just wanted To Thank You For Allowing Me to Join And Thank You For Being Here. It's All About Natalee. ::MonkeyWink::

Like running into the fire? comparable to our saying 'out of the frying pan and into the fire? just a guess.....like running into more trouble?

Welcome Echo......

I don't think there is anything cryptic here -- just a very "everyday phrase" that doesn't translate well to English. For example, we might say something like "he saw the light." It would translate from Dutch to English something like "he envisioned floor lamp".

i totally agree with all three of you.  it all deserves repeating.  even putting on billboards.
dennisintn

Thats so funny Wreck.  Seriously, Im laying here, looking at my laptop, laughing all by myself.

Thank You, Always 1

Welcome Echos - I've been very slow about approving new members but just got to approving a few today.  Nice to have you with us!

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Thank You! I'm Happy To Be Here

Blonde - not our Mr Pink......  http://goodtimes.webshot.com/photo/435320587072055610qyyTec

Looks like another traffic fatality:

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Accidente cu morto na Washington       
Thursday, 24 July 2008 - 19:19 
Algo promer cu 7 or di anochi ta sosode un accidente na Washington. Algun rato despues ta drenta e informe di esnan promer na e sitio cu un di e personanan no ta duna senjal di bida. Aki nos tin di menciona cu despues di e tristo noticia cu diabierna ultimo y diadomingo ultimo Aruba a conoce caso di morto den trafico, awe diaranson Aruba ta di luto pa un otro morto den trafico. Reporteronan di 24ora.com ta na e sitio pa ricibi mas informacion y imagen. Keda pendiente pa esakinan.
 

Through translator:

accidente cu dead at washington
 thursday, 24 july 2008 - 19:19

 algo before 7 or of night is sosode one accidente at washington. some rato after is enter the informe of esnan previous to at the sitio cu one of the personanan do not give senjal of life. here we have of menciona cu after of the tristo news cu diabierna ultimo y diadomingo ultimo aruba owing to conoce caso of dead in trafico, today diaranson aruba is of luto for one another dead in trafico. reporteronan of 24ora.com is at the sitio for ricibi more informacion y imagen. stay pendiente for esakinan. come across

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/5558/1/#jc_allComments

Always - tried to fix your link but it still doesn't work. 

Aruba is in no position to layoff health care workers(as we have recently read)...if anything they should be recruiting workers.

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2008/juli2008/juli21/front-sleeping-police.jpg)

Polemica tocante di e sleeping policenan

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

http://www.24ora.com/

I am working on the link Klassend.  I am pretty good at finding things, cruddy at relaying them.

I do like these cartoons at Diario...

(http://news.diario-aruba.com//images/stories/2008N/juli/24/car.jpg)

What does this mean?  Did someone ask about elections in Aruba earlier in this thread?

Yeah I think they were counting on the speed bumps to slow cars down and they aren't working.   ::MonkeyWink::

i think i read a couple of weeks ago that aruba had sent a delegation to aruba to court health care workers.  i don't remember whether they told what specialties they were looking for.
dennisintn

Wreck - I still cant get that link to work if you have time will you do this for me - go to Webshots - click on good times - type in abscompton and then go down to crystal and danille at Carlos and Charlies ----Thanks so much.

Is this what you are looking for? (you were missing the "s" in webshots.com)

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/1435318429072055610iqNtJz

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/365649721ZfllRc

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/1365662025072055610uWVhVD

Thanks Wreck,  there are some other pictures in that same group on Aruba June 10th.  Maybe helpful....

These pics were from June 10th?? There was a story early on about GVC taking a tourist back to a hotel --- he got a frantic phone call and left post haste. Many here will remember better than I!

A pic of GVC but that's no big surprise

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/1365662025072055610uWVhVD

is that other young guy Jamie??/

The one that says random cutie from Aruba - is that Jamie

No it's Geoffrey von Cromvoirt - the one who's father used to own the VBC Security company.

Hi wreck...Is this the one...

Interview With Cromvoirt Acquaintance

Though currently studying abroad, I was able to establish contact and do a brief phone interview with a young American girl acquainted with current detainee in the Natalee Holloway investigation, Geoffrey van Cromvoirt.

She is still somewhat shaken by news of his arrest, particularly as it was June 9th, 2005, the night Joran Van der Sloot and the two Kalpoe brothers were arrested, when she met GVC at Carlos and Charlies. She was able to provide the day of the week, Thursday, which matches with the night of the three boys arrests. After speaking with her, I've no reason to doubt her veracity.

GVC was alone at Carlos and Charlies that night keeping mostly to himself. She could only remember him saying hello to one other person passing by that night in the club. After some initial eye contact, it was she who approached GVC. He immediately appeared to open up.

One item of possible interest, he told her that he worked during the day taking tourists out on a Catamaran. While I have no way of ascertaining it was the same catamaran, I do recall photos taken by the Mountain Brook students showing that they did take such a trip.

GVC struck her as something of a self promoter, constantly talking about himself, his many connections and his family's supposed wealth. She also recalled seeing images of some famous individuals he had stored in his cell phone, noting that GVC did not appear with those people in said pictures. Still, he insisted they were friends.

On another night, she may have been less receptive to the seemingly brash young man, but she found him attractive, she was on vacation and the two eventually danced. She indicated that there were no drugs involved, though both were drinking. At some point, GVC offered her a ride to her hotel and a male friend of the young woman went along.

GVC did apparently brag about being involved with security, trying to exert some pressure on a hotel guard to acknowledge who he was. The guard apparently failed to acknowledge him in any significant manner. She believes he was driving a jeep at the time, possibly blue and that he also mentioned a recent or pending purchase of a truck, color unknown.

Back at her hotel, it was decided that he would leave behind his ID and possibly some other wallet contents with her friends as security before the two went back out alone together. They spent approximately a half an hour or so together, primarily on the beach. The only potentially unusual thing she noticed during their time on the beach was that he might have been a bit nervous, looking about - at one point claiming he saw a security guard coming. She could not see a guard.

After some time on the beach his cell phone started ringing but he did not answer it. She believes it rang several times in succession, possibly as many as seven times. When she inquired about the calls, he stated that it was his Mother and that he had to get home. He kept reiterating, he had to go. She was puzzled at this as she believed him to be 19 years old at the time.

After a night of being extremely talkative, mostly about himself, she did eventually ask him in a casual way about the Natalee Holloway case. She feels very strongly that it was at that point his demeanor significantly changed. He almost completely stopped talking while the two were walking, swiftly now, back to her hotel.

She asked a few different questions ... if he knew of the case, of those involved, what was it that he thought. But he did not answer any of those questions, or change the topic. He mostly just stopped talking at all. They returned to her hotel, a friend brought down his things and that was the last she saw of him until his recent arrest. She felt he all but took off running, likely related to the phone calls, as he left.

Later after leaving the island, the interaction did leave her with a strange feeling, mostly because of his sudden silence when the topic of Natalee Holloway came up. Unsure if it meant anything, or not, eventually she did call the FBI. She gave them what information she could as regards the encounter, much of which I have now relayed here.

It remains unclear what, if any connection GVC has to the Holloway case. But at least one individual who spent some time with the boy soon after the disappearance was troubled enough about his demeanor simply talking about the case to make a call to the FBI.

I have agreed to keep her identity secret.




Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 07:37 PM in Natalee Holloway | Permalink

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2006/04/interview_with_.html

MO....I don't think Joran will ever "see the light" as we understand it...if this goes on for a few more years or so I believe he will get in deeper and tick off the wrong person and they will take him out....he doesn't really know how to play the game...MO...

Oops...Sorry...Welcome Echo and the other new posters...

yup!

TY MumInOhio!  And I agree With LoRain. JVS Isn't Gonna Skate By Forever. He Is Too Cocky And that Will Be His Downfall. IMO

Thanks For The story. I Have Not read This Before.

You are welcome Echo…GVC and his parents took off to the Netherlands, put their house up for sale immediately after his release and threatened to sue ALE around May 9th. 2006 IIRC



From yesterday….Regarding the suspect’s conversations of May 30th. 2005, before the family arrived.

From Joran’s Book Translation….Note: Interrogation of May 30th.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0

P224
August 8th 2005

During interrogation Joran is asked to take off his shoes. "Why are you now wearing size 10.5, while you stated that on May 30th  you were wearing size 14?", they asked him. Joran says, "that's because of the difference between English and American shoes sizes, but i don't tell them."[/b]

Hopefully Tamikosmom can add to this when she returns from her vacation. Pretty sure she has more… ::MonkeyWink::

O/T NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/07/24/some-times-we-just-need-to-some-bizarre-monkey-humor/

Some times We just Need to Some Bizarre Monkey Humor

 ::MonkeyDance::

When I try to go back to page 11, there is nothing there.

Wierd - I just tried it and it's there for me  ::MonkeyConfused::

Me too now!!!

You think with all this terrible Aruban driving one of the Van der sloot kids

or one of them thar Kalpoos would get run over, and they could get Boe-tie

and Jerry Jerry Dingleberry to bury 'em like a dead dog on the side of the

road.


ARUBA - A LAND OF MISSED OPPORTUNITIES

 ::MonkeyConfused::


(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j305/binwhack1/dgdfgdgf.png)

THE GIRL COMES FIRST. SHE ALWAYS HAS!
HER NAME WAS NATALEE.
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j305/binwhack1/yttyytj.png)

haha Carpe.  good one ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Welcome to SM echosofangels!!!

Nice to have you here.

TY!

Welcome to the Cage Echo!

Destiny

AMIGOE NEWS:

...but I thought they kept telling us Americans are still flocking to the island???

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Americans sell second home in Aruba

24 Jul, 2008, 18:41 (GMT -04:00)




http://tinyurl.com/5qmofe

 Lala’s and San…IMO, it appears that this interview below concerning the security guards backs up your posts. Some-one was pointing us towards the Gottenbos brothers or at least letting us think they may have been involved... Even Jossy said Koen needed to be looked at more?

I feel pretty sure that the family would not have been allowed to move to the US if the FBI believed the brothers were involved in this case.

Then Simian/Mirian pointed us to Freddy. Who were they all leading us away from? Who left for the Netherlands 2 days after Natalee disappeared? Who is the mystery guy with the scratches?

Hmmm…It was Jossy who said that Guido didn’t have scratches, helped point us to Koen and the family boat, and didn’t tell us about Freddy’s earlier arrest. So was Jossy misinformed as well as the US media?

From the archives…

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #717 1/31 - 2/01/08
« Reply #929 on: February 01, 2008, 03:43:35 PM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2560.msg336012#msg336012


From June 8th 2005 Nancy Grace....they do not appear to be talking about the Kalpoes.

 IMO  Maybe Koen and Sander

GRACE: OK, let me quickly go to defense attorney Daniel Horowitz standing by. Daniel Horowitz, this is basically bass-ackwards from the way that it works in America. Because you don`t arrest somebody and put them in a cell of an administration building by the jail unless you`ve got a case against them. You don`t get arrested while the state, while the prosecutor, tries to put together a case.

DANIEL HOROWITZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Exactly, Nancy. And there`s a problem with this, also. It focuses on these two men so much, and it doesn`t give them the freedom to be out and prove their innocence or gather evidence on their own behalf. You know, Nancy, these guys could be patsies. I`m concerned about those three rich kids who were with this young lady and supposedly dropped her off at a hotel and then she just vanishes. I don`t like the idea of the focus on these two guys alone.

GRACE: Let me go back to Karl Penhaul on that very issue. Karl Penhaul, CNN correspondent, is with us in Aruba. Karl, there are murmurings to that exact issue, that these two security guards are being targeted while the actual guys that were with her, that took her away from the restaurant, have been set free. Explain. Why are these two being held? Did they run into the girl after the other three let her go? I mean, why are they being held and the other three have been let go? Is it true they are from rich or influential families, while these two are not?

PENHAUL: That`s the question on a lot of people`s lips right now, Nancy. We`ve been talking around. We`ve also been talking to the suspects` families. A number of answers to that. The three young men last seen in the company of Natalee Holloway outside Carlos and Charlie`s, we understand, were never arrested, were never detained by police. Yes, they were interviewed. But the police in a press conference earlier this week have said that no evidence in terms of the car that they all drove away in was confiscated at any stage. Meanwhile, the two suspects, three of their vehicles have been confiscated. One of the suspect`s mother`s cars, a cousin`s car, I believe, and one of the cars belonging to one of the suspects. Those are being looked at, even though there`s nothing, apparently, according to the defense attorneys, in any witness statement to suggest that Natalee Holloway was ever seen in the company of these two suspects, let alone got in their cars.

As far as the identities of the three people, the young men that are being named or were named as persons of interest, indeed, they do seem to be from influential families, certainly middle-class families, a little difficult in this context to spell out exactly whom they are.

But what the mother of Mickey John -- Antonius John, but Mickey his mother calls him -- what she says is that here what is at stake, or one part of the problem is, is that there`s a race issue here, because the people, the three young men are of influential, middle-class, largely white families, descendents of the Dutch colonizers that once came here, whereas the two suspects are from black immigrant families who maybe have been here for many years but nevertheless are still regarded as immigrants.

 
 

oop's Didnt mean To Reply Inside The Quote Box

Hi Mum
About time you got back in the cage!  I think the Gottenbos were way too smart to get caught in the middle of this mess.  Just because the Sloots knew them doesn't mean they ran in the same circles. Sander admits he invited Joran on the boat that day...so that places Sander and not Koen in contact with Joran.  Dave was led to Koen in some way, of which I have forgotten by now, concerning the boat.  Who told him that?  Was it another diversion? Was the daddy Gottenbos angry that Sander left the boat there and Joran used it?  There is a reason that PV has the story of Joran being seasick and not going on the boat.  There is also a reason Sander said what he did about Joran going or not going on the boat.  There are too many details that lead me to think another diversion of some sort.  But then again I am skeptical of most anything that comes out of Aruba by now. Thoughts anyone?

Didn't Sander's PV also state that his cell phone was lost/stolen 5/30/2005?  Just adding to your thoughts, Lala's.

Morning Lala's....Another question or two...LOL...why did Sander say his phone was stolen? What does all the confusion with cell phones have to do with this? Paulus using Anita's phone, Val's phone showing up recently by the lighthouse?  More diversions?

There is very little I believe out of Aruba...but you knew that already! ::MonkeyHaHa::

IIRC, Dave said that he met Michael Dumpig in the hall.  Michael appeared to be trying a female tourist con.  I believe Michael told Dave about the boat, at that time.

Does anyone else remember this?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Morning 2NJSons....

Morning Slogger...vague on this...Michael and a buddy were trying to pick up tourists and when he saw Dave he went up to him and said something about Paulus using the boat that night. Sorry, best I can do.

http://www.tctubantia.nl/regio/enschede/3465766/Enschedeer-schildert-Natalee-voor-moeder-Beth.ece

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/NatPainting.jpg)



Posted at RU:

Speaking of Beth...

It's a newspaper article about a man that made a painting of Natalee. It says that Beth will be coming to the Netherlands this August & he will be able to give it to her then.

Great minds.....I just went back to Sander's PV of 6/16/05 to refresh my memory and, of course, the line of questioning leaves a lot to be desired....he didn't go to the Raquet Club, cell was stolen 5/30, he didn't report it because he hadn't gone to Setar to buy a new one in order to keep the same number.....he's a better friend to Joran than Deepak & Satish (who are ordinary friends)....blah, blah.

The original says Netherlands, but the screen shot in English says Canada...just an observation.

Morning, Mum; Morning Everyone; Welcome to Echo.

Good 'nuf, Mum.  I don't believe the information was in Dave's book.  It might have come from a subsequent interview, or questions on the Chat.  I do believe one boat clue came from Michael Dumpig.

We were warned that Gerold was talking out of both sides of his mouth.  At the time, I still held hope that this wasn't true.  We hadn't heard the rumor about the relationship with 2K.  Once that was heard, all things Dompig are suspect.

The only real clue I have is the information from Dave that Koen jumped behind the couch to avoid Dave's seeing him.  So, I'm not sure it was the Gottenboes' boat, but Koen does know something.

Whoever told Dave about the boat is a good question.  If it was Dompig's son then my BS antennas go up even more.  Very little in this case is as it appears.  After spending 3 years in the Shango thread and reading and rereading all the posts and PVs and whatever else I can find or that is sent my way, there is one definite conclusion I can draw and that is that there is a motive for everything that was said or done those first few weeks.  When corruption is so prevalent there is a small sliver of truth in each word, but much more BS around the truth that has to be sorted.

2NJ - wow, that's wierd:

Net afgelopen week heeft hij via via te horen gekregen dat de moeder van Natalee in augustus naar Nederland komt en dan het portret in ontvangst zal nemen.


Now it says Ireland, LOL    ::MonkeyHaHa::


Net past week messages via told the mother of Natalee August to Ireland, and the portrait receive will.

Well, I suppose it's quiet in here today.  Oh well. I guess I can go over to Shango and read a while.  ::MonkeyWink::

Remember the discussion in Shango about Joran giving Michael a ride, on one of Joran's return trips to Aruba, and getting mad at him about what he said about GVC. The whole episode didn't make much sense...Well it would if Joran was mad about what Michael told Dave about Paulus and a boat...

I agree on the boat.  It's a good question and if it was Dompig's son, the possibility of the Gottenboes' boat used decline greatly.

Yes, there seems to have been a "motive for everything that was said or done those first few weeks."  I do think some truths escaped, but were quickly covered by propaganda.  I'd say there was a sliver of truth in (maybe) half; and, would include that there were times when we were led off into unrelated areas having nothing to do with the case.  It's still difficult to know fact from fiction.

Good morning everyone, and WELCOME to our new monkeys!

ARUBA - Dave Holloway
Pages 118-119
snip
There are several people in the equation to consider besides the three boys and the father.  There are also seemingly well-connected people who have been passing on leads and dropping hints.  Sometime in early July 2005, Robin and I saw Deputy Police Commissioner Gerald Dompig's son and another young man who appeared to have similar descriptive features of Steve Croes, the Tattoo party boat disc jockey who had been arrested and released, trying to pick up a girl in the Holiday Inn lobby hallway and get her to go to Carlos'n Charlie's.  The girl was offering resistance and trying to distance herself from those two.  As the guys were walking by, young Dompig noticed me and immediately discontinued his activity.  The other kid realized he was getting nowhere with the girl and started in on another set of young women.  I walked up to Dompig, and he seemed a little embarrassed that we had witnessed his actions.  He then started talking about the case, and during this conversation he mentioned that he had heard that Paulus van der Sloot had borrowed a friend's boat on either the night of Natalee's disappearance or the next day and that he was allegedly involved with Natalee's murder.  That brought to mind one of Joran's statements.  He had referred to a friend by the name of Koen Gottenbos.  Apparently, this friend's father owned a boat.  The message was that this boat was used to take Natalee out to sea.  Another boat that was also mentioned by him was the Pair A Dice, which is a local boat from Aruba.
snip

Thanks texasmom....I knew it was in the book, as I have read it many, many times and now I do not have to look it up...hehe. Thanks!

You're welcome Nut!  ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks, texasmom.  I didn't think it was in the book.  Glad you posted that.

So, Michael mentions Paulus/boat, and Joran states about Gottenboes/boat. 

Now, there are two credible sources!   ::MonkeyNoNo::   ::MonkeyLaugh::

And Sander mentioned boat...Probably means no boat at all. So where were they when the family arrived? 

Boat, or no boat, they were most likely on burial detail the night the family arrived.

We talked a lot about the gym bag and Joran not playing tennis and who he did or did not play with, and him walking to the beach to look for his shoes and on and on.  Did we ever pursue what Paulus was doing during this time that Joran says he wanted to be on camera in the casino?   He says he dropped his son off at the Racquet Club and then......................................What?  Nothing until the Twittys show up? 

As I finished posting about Paulus's whereabouts, I realize that this case was so solveable back then.  Cell and home phone records of Paulus, e-mails, following up with those he and Joran spoke to.  Along with grabbing the Kalpoe car and the clothes of J2K in the first 24 hours, you'd definitely have a case.  No need for secret police car tapes and all that.  Makes  me so mad.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

In Deepaks car, IIRC before the carpet and other stuff was replaced at the shop. 

Wonder what they would have found if they'd checked that car when the MB group/ALE arrived early in the morning?

Maybe she left a note or something behind?

Also, if she was in the car, the body would have been stored somewhere before disposal.  I wonder why PVDS didn't allow a search of the grounds?

A current theory is:

That it was an uncomplicated crime of kidnap, rape, which became more complicated in the coverup.

On the night of Monday, May 30th, there was a meeting around the pool to inform of the plan.  Simple plan: deny, (if that doesn't work) then use the HI story.

During the meeting, the group was tipped off that the family was on their way.  The burial detail took Natalee out to the dunes.  [4 sweaty boys and a shovel]

They couldn't (safely) bury her prior to the evening/night of Mon/Tues because of rigor and daylight.

If the sighting of the 4 boys with a shovel corresponds with the location of the cop putting something in the trunk (seen by Dave) then, (mo) the theory is more workable.

I think that ALE didn't know initially that Joran and one or more others had actually done harm.  No doubt Joran lied about it to them also.  As the truth started to unfold --injuries to Natalee, blood in the Kalpoe car, bruises or other physical evidence of a struggle on J2K, the gardener who saw them near the pond -- van der Straaten and Jacobs realized they'd have to disappear Natalee and say there was no evidence of a crime.  I do think that as Paulus advised Joran of what ALE, the FBI or P.I's were finding, the story had to keep changing to take that evidence into account.  Which is another reason for so many stories, slightly altered as circumstances dictated.  I used to get a little emotional, if you will, when I saw repeated posts of THERE'S ABSOLUTELY  NO EVIDENCE.   To those who still say that, I say bulldoodie.  There's plenty of evidence; we just don't know what they did with it.  Maybe it was burned, maybe it's in the trunk of someone's car or a storage locker, kept for leverage when needed later.  If the media hadn't been there to see what was happening, the cries of a coverup would have fallen on deaf ears. 

O/T

For those following the Caylee Anthony case, there's a new 9-1-1 (the third) tape being released. Coming up on Fox. They've played the first portion.

In the same early report where van der Straaten tells a Dutch reporter that he believes Natalee is dead because "I know mo:re about the case than you [the reporter] do" (or something to that effect), one or more Aruban detectives told that Dutch reporter that they thought it was a rape gone bad at the Lighthouse.  That's why I don't discount the Kalpoes sticking with their story of going to the Lighthouse, even though we have Joran saying they went to his house at 1:40 a.m.  Could be Joran didn't want anyone looking at the area of he Lighthouse.  In fact, the family was discouraged from searching around the Lighthouse -- bad for tourism. 

Thanks, I was just going to log off and eat lunch.  I'll turn the tube on. 

An old theory that has resurfaced.   Simple is usually the way it is, until people start lying.  Back to Occam's Razor... "entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity" or "All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best."

Puma, I agree that there is evidence and there would truthful tidbits. 

[Loving Natalee, page 59]
"Jug, Jodi, and I arrive at Bubali at eight o'clock sharp.  One of the first things I notice is Deepak Kalpoe's silver-gray car parked in the back."

Tuesday morning, they had DK's car; by Wednesday night they had changed Beth's statement.

I don't think the gardner made a statement until the middle of July.  The gardner statement we have refers to an earlier one that I didn't see.

[Loving Natalee, page 49]

". . .Joran resumes his story.  He says he and Natalee were in the backseat of Deepak's car and that she asked to go see the sharks.  He says he told her that they don't have sharks here, but she insisted.  So he says they took her to the lighthouse, . . ."

The above was while the Family Group was in front of the Sloots during the early morning hours of Tues., May 31st--only a short time after the Family Group arrived on the island.

Has anyone heard anymore of the supposed "new" confession on tape of Joran??

The Honda, seen at Bubali on Tues. morning, makes me wonder where DK was.  Satish thinks DK got home around 6 am.

A little while later, Beth is outside and Jan makes her go back into the police station.

Jan didn't want Beth to see someone, or something?  Was it only the car, or was there more to it?

You mean the one that Bondia spoke of yesterday or the day before?  NO..haven't heard anything else about it.  Hopefully if true there will be something in the Dutch papers about it.

IMO, Natalee didn't have much time or many resources.  It's said she had the keycard, $50, and an ID/driver's license.  Looks like she had earrings, the blue bracelet, and another bracelet; but, I couldn't see a watch.

This one is very interesting     
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/1435321057072055610iqzPDU (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/1435321057072055610iqzPDU)

Yes, that photo has been viewed and posted here several times.  GVC - center, Cheremy & Steve Croes on the right, if I'm not mistaken.

As I Look Through The Photo's And See They're in C&C...I Can't Help But Think Of How Lucky They were Not To Have Left With j2k.....I Wish Natalee Never Had. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Am really, really, really hoping that Mr. Peter DeVries KNOWS that such a large group of PERVERTED DUTCHMEN & DUTCHWOMEN are involved in this cover-up & the complicity of kidnapping, rape & murder.  From the Dutch wannabe's involved from the Government Offices of LieRuba, the Netherland placed Justice Officials, attorney's & parents.

Am really, really, really hoping the whole worthless rotten group of them go down here on this earth cuz I KNOW they are going down, down, down when their souls are for eternity damned.

This kind of evil, if not stopped, increases.  It really is in the best interest of any community, regardless what country to actively oppose such evil as it encourage tribal hate, which leads to horrific circumstances & is then much more difficult to contain & put to a stop.

If they had checked the car earlier, it is possible she may have lost or misplaced something.  They chose not to look.  People leave things in taxis all the time, that 's what I was thinking.  Ex., they would know she didn't have her drivers license after that because it lost in the seat cushions of the Kalpoe vehicle.  Same with money and the other stuff.  I would have thought they would have checked to ensure that there weren't any clues, but they didn't.

If she had left behind her keycard, she may not have been able to get into her hotel.  Or, someone could have gotten into the hotel with the lost card.

Just random thoughts.

<---------------------------------- "Daury"




Guido and Joran returned to Sloot house monday evening - after Paulus bag drop off. Or during bag drop. You decide. They haven't.

Hi,

I don't get the *arrow* part of your post...

Destiny

I have always thought the Racquet Club was a key element in this case. All the sightings, meetings and the many references to the Racquet Club in the PVs., including employees being questioned. There was construction going on at the Club and Joran, Guido, Freddy, Andre and Sander all had ties to tennis. Even Satish and Deepak had a connection to a drowned tennis coach!…(we tried to work out which one in the Shango thread, but it depended which article you read…LOL)

Was all this Racquet Club reference a diversion as well? Why believe this part of the PVs and not other parts. Then how credible was “gardener witness”? Just who is Jorge Porras Sanches, mentioned in the Dr Phil Log? Is this the Holiday Inn/Racquet Club tennis pro, Sanchez, or the kid that Caps alluded to, Sanches? IIRC there was a Rodriguez connection to that kid. What of his did he request ALE return to him? And why did ALE have something of his? If the Racquet Club was a diversion, why even have a record of Jorge’s request?

More questions…More reading….

(the arrow points to igs' avatar)

Well, if not involved, it was pretty "in your face" of Sander to be at Joran's prison release, holding a sign.

Igsigs is saying that PVDS is Daury  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good point, Buckeye...had forgotten that.  Thanks!

I remember Dave saying that Koen was very nervous when being asked about Joran and Natalee.  That's why he wanted Dompig to talk to Koen himself.  he didn't want it messed up.  The assistant D.A. that resigned from the case and talked to Dave might have been the source of the boat and Koen.  I believe she wanted ALE to talk with him again and they refused.  Hard to remember that far back, but maybe this will job another monkey memory.

Uh, that's supposed to be JOG another monkey's memory. 

Thanks Klaas...excuse me while I find my *dunce* hat......

Des

Nancy Grace for July 26, 2005, CNNHN

Aired July 26, 2005 - 20:00:00 














http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html

a few notes about the pond and gardener

I didn't get it either Destiny... ::MonkeyHaHa::

i wouldn't exclude the possibility that there are also american expats. included in this group you're describing.
dennisintn

FROM DAVE'S BOOK:

While still in Aruba, I found out that there was a prosecutor named Amalin Flanegan who had resigned from Natalee's case about a month into it.  She had worked along with Karin Janssen, and she has to report to Theresa Crose Vernandez-Pedra, the attorney general.  I wanted to know why she had residend.  Art and I met with Ms. Flanegan at a local restaurant, and she seemed very apprehensive.  We told her how we felt about the way the investigation was going, how the evidence had been dealt with, Dennis Jacob's handling of the interviews, and that there were important things missing.  We explained how we were first told that there was blood in Deepak's car.  Then, there was no blood in the car. The seat had been cut out of  the  car, and it tested positive for Blood.  Ten, is supposedly tested positive for chocolate syrup and c leaning fluid.   But the prime minister had said that it was definitely blood, and a police officer that Art talked to said it tested positive for blood.  Art also told Ms. Flanegan about how the police disregarded the evidence of the belt that was found that was similar to the one Joran had used on his Web site nad the pieces of plastic dovered near the same area.

{Skipping part}

I also had to give some serious thought to Karin Janssen, the prosecutor.  She has been in charge of the prosecution on Natalee's case and, to date, not one of her efforts have been successful.

Art and I talked to Ms. Flanegan about all of the red flags that we were seeing and that we thought that Koen, Joran, and Deepak took Natalee out in the boat.  She agreed with that theory. She added that the reason she had left the case was because she thought Koen was lying, and when she asked the police to reinterview him, they refused.  We told her that we were going to talk to the prime minister the next day to lay it all out.

I then contacted Dompig to talk to him about my thoughts on Dennis Jacobs, but he was very supportive of him. I asked Dompig to do the interview of Koen instead of having Jacobs do it. I became concerned because he said he would have to discuss it with Jacobs first. Several weeks later, I heard that Koen's father had been interviewed, but Koen had not been questioned yet. I wondered if they were prepping the father to prep his son for questioning. That was something that seemed all to familiar.

I would have thought that the FBI would have been able to question the expats without the OK of ALE, after all they are American citizens. The ones that come to mind are the Zeollas...were you looking after Sebastian, while his mother was in the Netherlands? 

I Couldn't Agree More. I Am Hoping that Peter DeVries Will Keep On His Mission And Bring Justice For Natalee. Whoever Were Involved Has Gotten away With it For Far too long.

I don't remember Koen ever talking to anyone, I think he still hiding in Mommy bed. (spelling)

From an old RWV thread -

Sunday, July 24, 2005
Natalee Holloway Discussion 69






I wonder if they took any memory sticks as evidence?  Anyone remember?  It seems like young people use these all the time.

Thanks WhiskeyGirl...Need to reread all my notes on the Racquet Club and find the discussion from a little while back in Shango about the gardener and his credibility.

Not sure.  There may have been no need.  Paulus on video at casino...statement from ALE and Aruban escort that Paulus said he picked up Joran at 4am....wiretaps?...the initial report that two of the MB kids saw Paulus, Joran and Natalee at the ATM by McDonals at about 4am.....they may not have needed to question anyone about where Paulus was....although I am sure the expats were lined up to give a statement to the ALE...or at least approve the statement written for them to sign...or not....

http://www.riehlworldview.com/test_blog/2006/06/24.html


http://www.riehlworldview.com/test_blog/2006/06/25.html

Whiskeygirl quotes:

Hey, I want to just remind everyone of some things:
1. The D_utch sent F-16s to search. Typically, a government doesn't employ the military's multi-million dollar aircraft for runaways or accident victims. They at least thought somethng bigger was going on.

2.The FBI has been present in Aruba from the beginning, assisting and monitoring--they initially went at the request of the local authorities. The FBI has battled in Court for 2 months to gain access to documents. I don't believe the FBI would expend such effort for a runaway or accident victim.

Posted by: res_ipsa_loquitor | August 14, 2005 05:55 PM


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<-------------------------- Yes -------------------- Paulus is Daury.


At minimum, a part of the amalgam know as Daury. All those that enabled the suspects, and assisted them in their efforts to deny justice. Paulus and v/d Straten and Jacobs and Janssen, for starters, are ALL Daury. The list is long, and it had to be for a compulsive confessor to remain free, a confessor who feels "lucky" despite being known as the most notorious, pathetic loser on multiple continents. 

http://www.awe24.com/

TEMPO YA A DEMOSTRA CU NOS TABATA TIN RAZON, E CALIDAD BARATA NO TA SIRBI

YA CABA UN DI E SLEEPING POLICE A KIBRA Y E BOLTS A KEDA SALI ESKI POR BIRA PELIGER PA TRAFICO

Looks like even their "sleeping police" are malfunctioning   ::MonkeyHaHa::

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Hey, don't laugh. That speed bump just got promoted. The ALE hierarchy is now...De Witte, speed bump, then Jacobs. And there is a no-jaywalking sign breathing down Tubby's neck. 

Maybe why Tina the taxi driver is looking for cash on the side:


....
We usually use the same taxi driver, Bully, throughout our entire trip. During our stay in Aruba he was off island on vacation with his family. He is honest, dependable and knowledgeable about the island. We have been using him for over two years now. This trip without Bully, our experiences with the 8 random taxi drivers we used, were, with the exception of 2 drivers, disgraceful to the Aruban people and very disheartening for us. In every instance but two, the drivers tried to overcharge us. With no increase in fares since 2002, paying a 12% tax and not being able to pass it on, and the high price of gas, we were faced with a large percentage of drivers with the attitude "let's screw the tourists". Not to say that there are not other honest taxi drivers, but we met 6 out of 8 who were NOT.

Loving Aruba and her people as much as we do, we were very saddened by their behavior to say the least. Having traveled to Aruba before, at least we know some of their unjustified, in my opinion, reasoning in this situation. I cannot imagine a first time visitor to the island who knows what the fares are "supposed" to be, being charged whatever fare the driver makes up. The Aruban government sets the taxi fares; they need to give these drivers a raise. Hopefully the raise in fares will once again make the drivers honest. Again, to their credit, we did have two very nice and honest drivers, one a woman on Father's Day night and another nice gentleman the night we went to the Promenade.

Our worst "taxi" incident came outside the Holiday Inn returning back to the Tamarijn from Palm Beach following our day aboard the Jolly Pirates. We walked outside of the lobby at the Holiday Inn and there were 4 taxi drivers seated on benches hanging out. Since our friends were with us we were 7 people total and needed 2 taxis anyway, so this was perfect. Dh asked them what the fare was to the Tamarijn and they eyed up one another and one of the drivers said "$10". Knowing what we were up against, before we even left the Tamarijn in the morning, dh confirmed with our favorite concierge Iris that the fair should be $8.

Dh politely but forcefully asked to see their fare sheet where it showed the fare was $10. Well don't you know all of a sudden they acted like they could even barely understand English.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: Dh did not back down and again asked to see it in writing. Finally one of the drivers got up and went to his taxi to get the fare sheet. He came back with it, but then walked away from us to be by himself to eye up the chart. He then came over to us saying indeed it was $10, still not showing us the chart. Dh told all 4 drivers point blank that we would pay the $10, since obviously we had no choice, but we were also going to take the taxi's numbers and report the drivers to the Aruba Tourism Authority.

Well gosh, don't you know, all of a sudden the taxi driver who had the sheet in his hand, stumbles over to me and points to Oranjestad ($10). Yeah, right, we told them all right from the start that we were all going to the Tamarijn! They do not even come close to sounding alike and I have only been to Oranjestad twice in the past 5 years. SO, clarifying that we were going to the Tamarijn, I showed the driver it was $8. Normally we would have paid him the $8 for the fare and a $2 tip for a total of $10 anyway. Needless to say, we did not tip him and he only got his $8 so he lost out for his foolish behavior. Our friends also did not tip their driver and would have under better circumstances.

Our final taxi ride of our Aruba vacation began with Bully picking us up to take us to the Tamarijn at 12:15 p.m. He had returned home to the island the day before and called us first thing that morning to confirm our pick up.

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=60618

We will never see Gielen's doc, unless she puts it all on youtube.

Boeti best make space in his treehouse - Renee is taking a bath on this one.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

FOB2 can't help Gielen. They sunk all their money into Jorenstein's coffeehouse.  : )

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The Casino Picture That Looks Like Paulus Sitting Next To Natalee, Has Any Of The Other MB Kids At The Table Identify him As Paulus?

Not that i know of echo. One of their FBI statements says "older man"...or something similar.

I don't know.  It might be hard for them to really remember.  They may not have been paying any attention to him.

That's Too Bad. It Sure does Look Like him!

res_ipsa_loquitor & ViVi are the same person.  ::MonkeyCool::

How is ViVi these days is she still around?

Nevermind, i see that is what vivi is saying.

Anyway - The release of Joran's 5/31 statement was interesting. Joran, Paulus, Straten and Jacobs all sitting around witnessing sporty blow story #1. Then they wait 10 days before asking why. Unbelievable.

Not posting much at all. She is defending somebody in that Texas cult case. Has been on Nancy Grace a few times. Funny.

Still?  I thought it was over, lol  ::MonkeyHaHa::

"Representing", my bad. Once a lawyer sinks their claws into you - it's never over!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Funny  ::MonkeyHaHa::  So she's pretty much done with the NH case?

It's been slow. Reminds me of the dead period leading up to the Sloot search. Something always does seem to pop up, though, to keep it going. I'll keep following.

I agree, something always seems to come up.  Joran always seems to open his mouth again, lol.  Maybe someone will air this supposed new confession in Thailand?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Something hinky about that confession Klaas. A Bon Dia exclusive?

Do you know Gielen's cameraman...Dolphe something? Pics?

I think Johan has posted a pic of someone that might be Gielen's cameraman.  Not sure of the name.  I'll look, hold on.

Because...i saw a pic somewhere. Thought it kinda looked like the "guy" in Thailand with Joran. IIRC, the one Glenfro said was JR_Dutch_Atty.

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Hi Igs,  hope all is well with you!

Ah, that pic...here's a pic of a cameraman that Johan posted.  I'll find the one you are talking about, give me a couple min.


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This Camera man GBMW ?
they use a handycam  ::MonkeyHaHa::
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Igsigs - I think this is the picture you are talking about.  The guy on the left :

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Bearly - lolol  ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

Yes Klaas. Same guy maybe? I'm looking for the other Dolphe pic i saw...somewhere.

TY  ....Cute LOL

Is Joran Traveling alone or With Someone? Seems Like Hes conversing With Someone..hmmm

Maybe, I'm not sure  ::MonkeyWink::

Echos - probably traveling with someone.  This was a couple months ago in Thailand.  We don't even know for sure where he is right now. 

Why does he always have that goofy azz smile on???


It makes him look even more stupid than he already IS!!!!


He looks like friggin' GOMER PYLE.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

This picture of Joran.  It looks like Rudy Croes wearing a Joran mask.  Weird.  Are we sure this is Joran, or is it his look alike?

Well, golly!! -- Surprise, surprise, surprise!

 ::MonkeyLaugh::  @ Carpe....Gollllllyyyyy

Most pics removed.  Top left looping picture has a shot of Dolph van Stapele, Gielen photographer.  Doesn't look like red haired Julia/JR person, but does look like guy at McDonalds.  Sorry can't grab it.:

http://www.regiecuracao.com/makingoff.html

SHAZZAM!  

We've seen that hat before, I think. The bill is long.

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/gomer.jpg) There's that guy from Arubee!

I'm unable to access the site for some reason..will keep trying.

Is this the one:

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Dolph.jpg)
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Dolph4.jpg)
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Yes, thanks San.  There was a pic of Joran at a McDonalds (?in Thailand?), the friend with him may have resembled  this guy.  igsigs is usually pretty on.

Renee Gielen use the 15 $ supermarket Handy cam  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

You sssssaid ARUBEE!!!  LOL!

haha....I loved that show!

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_44910.php
Google Translation

Netherlands concerned about corruption Aruba
July 25, 2008, 17:58 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTAD / THE HAGUE - The Dutch Justice Minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin (CDA) in talks with Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) expressed his concerns about corruption in the government. This is evidenced by its response to Kamervragen who PVV-parliamentarian Hero Brinkman on June 26 to the Minister and State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA).

The questions are about the political climate in Aruba and the Dutch Antilles. This response to the interview with former Deputy Attorney-General (PG) Nico Jörg in the Volkskrant that the climate as "naargeestig 'described. Brinkman asked, among other things whether the Dutch Minister of the day was aware of "the serious allegations of examples of corruption, such as interest, cronyism and nepotism, which speaks of Aruba PG" and what the bewindspersoon then it has done.

Hirsch Ballin replied that the Aruban public prosecutor (OM) several cases of corruption before the courts and has brought a number of them have resulted in a conviction. "In talks with, among other things, the Prime Minister of Aruba, I expressed my concern and talked about improvements in the system, which can prevent corruption."

Brinkman also asked how much money the past five years with this corruption was involved. The minister says not to know, because tackling corruption a landsaangelegenheid. Hirsch Ballin said in respect of procurement by the Aruban government, which he also does not understand, because this is a matter for our country. The PVV member suggested in his question that contracts are not always transparent, as in the newspaper was told.

The Justice Minister says also to be aware of the backlog of legislation. "The Netherlands provides technical assistance to Aruba in the legislative support and backwardness as soon as possible way to work," says Hirsch Ballin.

Brinkman would also like to know how the assumption of Jörg reflected that the PPS in Aruba 'encounters resistance when it does more than combating street crime. " Again, this the minister replied that the PPS a landsaangelegenheid and he is not in a position to judge "what steps the Public Ministry in whatever situation has undertaken or should undertake." Bewindspersoon believes that his work for the "independent, within the regular authority "must be able to perform.

Finally, the Dutch parliamentarian also know whether the Minister believes that anyone who through cronyism or nepotism to a job, standing on foot should be dismissed. This Hirsch Ballin replied: "When recruiting staff, the suitability for the post first. Objectivity and transparency in the process are important. Ga I assume that Aruba the importance of these criteria endorses. The staff is however an autonomous Aruban matter. I have no insight into the human changes in the Aruban government. "

That cracks me up!  Aruba IS cronyism and nepotism.  And the Dutch are just now realizing it?

I suspect there will be little government left if this happened. LOL

Looks like a busy night, crime wise in Aruba:  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.awe24.com/

Has anyone had problems on this site with their computer getting hacked? I was just informed by my spysweeper program that LDPinch Trojan was quarantined. It said that LDPinch Trojan is a remote access Trojan that may allow a hacker to gain access to your computer when you are online.
Thanks for any info, from all of you,

Cajun Miracle

No, no problems here.

Busy? nah..... average at best! Iwas quite impressed that there didn't appear to be any grizzley car wrecks last night....... only a few paltry shooting episodes!  ::MonkeyRoll::

Thanks Always. They did quarantine it. Have a great day!

Guess that's where all of the action is..... ::MonkeyHaHa::

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Hello Wreck  ::MonkeyCool::

There was a trojan going around a year or so called "postcard.exe". I noticed SEVERAL spam e-mails (both at home and work) the last few days from "Hallmark" -- these are trojans/viruses -- DO NOT OPEN THEM!!

Hey A-1!  ::MonkeyWink::

A 1 huh, that would make me saucy!! ::MonkeyCool::

I guess that is prefferable to being called a "Heinz 57"!  ::MonkeyRoll::

I know a nickname when I see one, and I think you've just been dubbed!

HIYA. A-1 from CBB!  ::MonkeyWink::

Oh if you saw me Wreck, you would never call me that ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi CBB!!! Im bored, its so hot here, the sidewalks are smooooooooookkking.

Your serve, Wreck...

Aruba could fill up that Web Cam shot if they would just do the right thing. ::MonkeyNoNo::

I think "saucy" is just fine!

Full confession from all involved, body returned, restituion to family, apology for all coverup and delay and punishment.  Right???

Did I leave anything out???

That would only be a "start" for me. I tack on 10 years of boycott for every 1 year delay in doing the right thing. If they did ALL of the things you mentioned by tomorrow -- we are looking at 2038 before I "consider" ending the boycott. (that is only "consider" mind you)

YEAH!!

Gotta run, luv ya Wreck!!!

More likely a virus you already have on your computer than something linked to SM but I'll forward your post to Dugga and he can look into it.

I did get a spam email to my hotmail account, something like a postcard from Hallmark that was a zip file.  Needless to say I didn't open it.

You know the loss of a child must be a horrible thing.  But when there's an accident and a child is killed, you know the facts, you have the funeral, your friends and loved ones comfort you.  You deal with it.  But when you put your child on a airplane, kiss her goodbye, tell her to call home, no matter what time it is, and then she's just gone.  How do you deal with that?  I can't even imagine what they would be like.  And I may cut up some times, but my thoughts are never far away from what Natalles parents must be going through...In my prayers.....

I come here almost every day to read and/or post and my computer scan yesterday did not show any problems. 

New Natalee post on front page - thank you Klaasend!!

Whoever got the idea to split out the perps statements in the documents thread, I luv ya.  Sifting through the names and dates was cumbersome. 

Thanks  ::MonkeyWink::  Yes, I think it's much better too!

NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/07/26/natalee-holloway-remember-when-the-media-had-announced-that-suspect-who-took-natalee-killed-her/

Natalee Holloway: Remember When the Media Had Announced that Suspect who Took Natalee, Killed her.

FYI - I think Red plans on doing a few posts as it's been just about 3 years since he was there searching the landfill  

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Perfect CBB!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

O/T

For those following the Caylee Anthony case........Geraldo is on it now.

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Good job CBB!!!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

amen, c.b., amen.
dennisintn

My sentiments too, A1. I do believe, sincerely, that we will see another day when things aren't as they are right now. There are too many people that have knowledge of a piece of this story. Joran, himself, has an innate case of diarrhea mouth that he's had to release more than once and eventually the economy of Aruba will weigh in as well. In the meantime, a Big Monkey's keeping the flame of hope lit!

Revised:

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Great job CBB.

exactly!

Thanks for the warnings Wreck.

Thanks Klaas. You're so kind.

LilPuma,
I also read here everyday and this is the first time that this has happened. At least my spyware must be a good one.

CBB, good job!

Texasmom, love the nail on the head too!

you all are great

Geez, yet another traffic fatality in Aruba:

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/5583/8/

Otro morto den trafico diadomingo mainta
       
Sunday, 27 July 2008 - 06:40 
Diadomingo ta habri scur pa motibo di un otro accidente cu consequencia fatal. Ta trata aki di e 4 morto den trafico den apenas un siman. E accidente aki a sosode na e cruzada di Juliana Straat/Irene Straat algo promer cu 5 or di mainta. E persona cu a fayece ta di inicial S.F naci na 1981. E persona ta biba na Caya Butishi 109. Ta trata aki di un station wagen corra Ford Escortc u a accidente cu un Chevrolet Celta. E dama tabata ocupante di un di e autonan. Ambos chauffeur di e autonan envolvi a wordo deteni pa sospecho di ta bow influencia di alcohol. Despues di a hibanan warda di polis pa e test a sali na cla cu un berdad nan ta riba e nivel legal. CLICK READ MORE PA E IMAGENAN!

Positivo said:

  Wel si, condolencia nan a efamiliaresnan di esun cu a fallece. Mirando con e autonan a keda, mi ta casi sigur cu VELOCIDAD tambe a hunga un rol den e accident aki! Ta parce cu nos mester cambia e dicho ariba nos numbernan di auto: enbes di One Happy Island pa "One Speedy Island" Shonnan ban poko poko y core normal y segun reglanan di trafico. Aruba ta asina chikito! Corda cu trafico ta concerni tur hende cu ta mobilisa ariba caminda. Ban suave! pa no lamenta despues y sigur pa no costa bida di hendenan inocente. 

Through pap translator:

another dead in trafico diadomingo morning

 sunday, 27 july 2008 - 06:40

 diadomingo is open dark for motibo of one another accidente cu consequencia fateful. is deal here of the 4 dead in trafico in barely one week. the accidente here owing to sosode at the cruzada of juliana straat/irene straat algo before 5 or of morning. the person cu owing to fayece is of inicial s.f naci at 1981. the person live at caya butishi 109. is deal here of one station wagen corra ford escortc u owing to accidente cu one chevrolet celta. the lady was ocupante of one of the autonan. both chauffeur of the autonan envolvi owing to wordo deteni for suspicion of is bow influencia of alcohol. after of owing to hibanan keep of police for her test owing to leave at cla cu one berdad they're on the level legal. click read more for her imagenan!

positive said:

 wel if, condolencia they owing to efamiliaresnan of esun cu owing to fallece. mirando con the autonan owing to stay, i am casi assure cu velocidad also owing to play one rol in the accident here! is seems cu we have to change the dicho upstairs we numbernan of auto: enbes of one happy island for "one speedy island" shonnan as few little bit y core normal y according reglanan of trafico. aruba is so diminutive! corda cu trafico is concerni everybody cu is mobilisa upstairs caminda. as suave! for not lamenta after y assure for not costa life of hendenan inocente. come across

 

I don't understand all these traffic deaths on Aruba.  It's only about 18 miles to drive around and even given the crowded conditions there and the numerous streets and alleys and by-roads, why does someone have to die there almost everyday?  Do people get in their cars and just put the pedal to the metal and never even look around until they get to their destination?  What do they do?  How can they afford to drive like total idiots down there risking every person's life that dares to operate a vehicle?  Seems to me they need some speed limit enforcement.  If you are driving less than 35 miles an hour, how hard it is to stop at an intersection?  The MEP needs to act like a governing body and actually govern.  What are the speed limits in Aruba, anyway?  :roll:

OT - 4 swimmers dead, 3 missing in N.Y. ocean waters

sad news


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080727/ap_on_re_us/swimmers_swept_away;_ylt=Ao62M9j64BJ6JcyZnAdjTJis0NUE

I think I am going to open up a car dealership there and clean up.  :smt028

Maybe all of their cars should come with breathalizers.   :smt011 :drunken:

I can't understand this with all those smart people speaking 20 languages and all, how can they miss the word STOP in any language?   :roll:

Maybe they should confiscate their porn videos so they don't peek and drive.