Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #79

[Russ]

Getting out at 43 just isn't gonna cut it. At least not if I'm doing the slicing!   

Me either, and I own unapproved knives from India that slice and dice a tomato like there is no tomorrow.  Can't buy them here.  Give me 5 minutes.


The economic crimes sentencing will never come into play btw, unless she is found not guilty in the murder of Caylee.

[Anna]

I refuse to get out again to try to do anything Christmas! What a madhouse! 

I was thinking as I was waiting in line to spend money, about this case and I'm more encouraged than I was.
Red got me thinking last night with his post and he's right about time marching forward from the OJ trial and jury.

Maybe because I stepped away to do some shopping, it finally hit me that Casey has a great BIG problem right now.
She has told this crazy Zanny story. Well, Caylee is dead and at this point she has to acknowledge the death. So, now she's free to tell it all. How is she going to establish where Zanny's apt. was? Any landlord wil say "No, No Zanny was ever here. Any Landlord will say, hey, this apt was rented to Joe Blow for the last 2 years, and Joe Blow is real! Police can actually see him and talk with him!

So Casey has a problem. That alone will never get by a jury. Zanny doesn't exist and neither does Zanny's Mother or Sister.

Add her party behavior with her daughter "missing" while she waited until Mom forced the issue 30 days later to tell anyone Caylee was "missing", the death smell in her abandoned car, her trying her her best to keep George from getting in the trunk, and Casey's got an insurmountable probem!

And that's BEFORE any of the forensics come back!

I don't care who found Caylee's remains or who missed them or didn't pay enough attention, Casey Anthony's going down!  

Good thinking, CBB!

You are right.  Imagine Casey in court on the witness stand being asked just simply where Zanny lived for the two years she kept Caylee.  Where did she take Caylee each day?  Rather than face that line of questioning and worse, I think Casey will plead guilty and go for a deal of some kind or other, anything she can get at this point.

[Wyks]

I just hope and pray that LE has something, anything, that definitely ties Casey to the crime scene and Caylee's body.  Like fingerprints, fibers, etc.  Otherwise, am thinking that the defense will likely just spin this forever, just as they did the DNA in the trunk.  Saying something like, 'yeah there's decomp in the trunk.  yeah it's the car casey was driving.  but prove that casey had anything to do with the decomp'.  they may just do the same with all that was found at the crime scene.  'yeah it is Caylee's body, yeah there's items from the house, etc... but prove that casey had anything to do with any of that.'  Can't you just hear Baez saying this?   Without fingerprints, fibers, SOMETHING that definitely connects Casey to Caylee's dead body, am thinking we'll all have whiplash from the spin from the defense.   

[crazybabyborg]

Where do you think the change of venue will be? I wish the same judge that has been making the rulings could see it through!!

[Russ]

Baez may be able to talk her into pleading guilty, but honestly, I can see her denying it to her grave.

She can plead guilty many different way without ever telling the story.  That sucks.

[Brandi]

I refuse to get out again to try to do anything Christmas! What a madhouse! 

I was thinking as I was waiting in line to spend money, about this case and I'm more encouraged than I was.
Red got me thinking last night with his post and he's right about time marching forward from the OJ trial and jury.

Maybe because I stepped away to do some shopping, it finally hit me that Casey has a great BIG problem right now.
She has told this crazy Zanny story. Well, Caylee is dead and at this point she has to acknowledge the death. So, now she's free to tell it all. How is she going to establish where Zanny's apt. was? Any landlord wil say "No, No Zanny was ever here. Any Landlord will say, hey, this apt was rented to Joe Blow for the last 2 years, and Joe Blow is real! Police can actually see him and talk with him!

So Casey has a problem. That alone will never get by a jury. Zanny doesn't exist and neither does Zanny's Mother or Sister.

Add her party behavior with her daughter "missing" while she waited until Mom forced the issue 30 days later to tell anyone Caylee was "missing", the death smell in her abandoned car, her trying her her best to keep George from getting in the trunk, and Casey's got an insurmountable probem!

And that's BEFORE any of the forensics come back!

I don't care who found Caylee's remains or who missed them or didn't pay enough attention, Casey Anthony's going down!   

Good thinking, CBB!

You are right.  Imagine Casey in court on the witness stand being asked just simply where Zanny lived for the two years she kept Caylee.  Where did she take Caylee each day?  Rather than face that line of questioning and worse, I think Casey will plead guilty and go for a deal of some kind or other, anything she can get at this point.

I don't think Casey will ever take the stand.

[Russ]

I just hope and pray that LE has something, anything, that definitely ties Casey to the crime scene and Caylee's body.  Like fingerprints, fibers, etc.  Otherwise, am thinking that the defense will likely just spin this forever, just as they did the DNA in the trunk.  Saying something like, 'yeah there's decomp in the trunk.  yeah it's the car casey was driving.  but prove that casey had anything to do with the decomp'.  they may just do the same with all that was found at the crime scene.  'yeah it is Caylee's body, yeah there's items from the house, etc... but prove that casey had anything to do with any of that.'  Can't you just hear Baez saying this?   Without fingerprints, fibers, SOMETHING that definitely connects Casey to Caylee's dead body, am thinking we'll all have whiplash from the spin from the defense.   

I wouldn't worry.  I think there is plenty.   

[cheerio]

Baez may be able to talk her into pleading guilty, but honestly, I can see her denying it to her grave.

Just to be her usual "spiteful bitch" self.

[crazybabyborg]

I refuse to get out again to try to do anything Christmas! What a madhouse! 

I was thinking as I was waiting in line to spend money, about this case and I'm more encouraged than I was.
Red got me thinking last night with his post and he's right about time marching forward from the OJ trial and jury.

Maybe because I stepped away to do some shopping, it finally hit me that Casey has a great BIG problem right now.
She has told this crazy Zanny story. Well, Caylee is dead and at this point she has to acknowledge the death. So, now she's free to tell it all. How is she going to establish where Zanny's apt. was? Any landlord wil say "No, No Zanny was ever here. Any Landlord will say, hey, this apt was rented to Joe Blow for the last 2 years, and Joe Blow is real! Police can actually see him and talk with him!

So Casey has a problem. That alone will never get by a jury. Zanny doesn't exist and neither does Zanny's Mother or Sister.

Add her party behavior with her daughter "missing" while she waited until Mom forced the issue 30 days later to tell anyone Caylee was "missing", the death smell in her abandoned car, her trying her her best to keep George from getting in the trunk, and Casey's got an insurmountable probem!

And that's BEFORE any of the forensics come back!

I don't care who found Caylee's remains or who missed them or didn't pay enough attention, Casey Anthony's going down!  

Good thinking, CBB!

You are right.  Imagine Casey in court on the witness stand being asked just simply where Zanny lived for the two years she kept Caylee.  Where did she take Caylee each day?  Rather than face that line of questioning and worse, I think Casey will plead guilty and go for a deal of some kind or other, anything she can get at this point.

Exactly, Anna. It's a simple question with a noose at the the end of it because she has no answer and no excuse not to,  other than it's all been a lie.

There's only one reason to have fabricated such an elaborate lie. To cover that swinging azz of hers.

[Russ]

I refuse to get out again to try to do anything Christmas! What a madhouse! 

I was thinking as I was waiting in line to spend money, about this case and I'm more encouraged than I was.
Red got me thinking last night with his post and he's right about time marching forward from the OJ trial and jury.

Maybe because I stepped away to do some shopping, it finally hit me that Casey has a great BIG problem right now.
She has told this crazy Zanny story. Well, Caylee is dead and at this point she has to acknowledge the death. So, now she's free to tell it all. How is she going to establish where Zanny's apt. was? Any landlord wil say "No, No Zanny was ever here. Any Landlord will say, hey, this apt was rented to Joe Blow for the last 2 years, and Joe Blow is real! Police can actually see him and talk with him!

So Casey has a problem. That alone will never get by a jury. Zanny doesn't exist and neither does Zanny's Mother or Sister.

Add her party behavior with her daughter "missing" while she waited until Mom forced the issue 30 days later to tell anyone Caylee was "missing", the death smell in her abandoned car, her trying her her best to keep George from getting in the trunk, and Casey's got an insurmountable probem!

And that's BEFORE any of the forensics come back!

I don't care who found Caylee's remains or who missed them or didn't pay enough attention, Casey Anthony's going down!   

Good thinking, CBB!

You are right.  Imagine Casey in court on the witness stand being asked just simply where Zanny lived for the two years she kept Caylee.  Where did she take Caylee each day?  Rather than face that line of questioning and worse, I think Casey will plead guilty and go for a deal of some kind or other, anything she can get at this point.

I don't think Casey will ever take the stand.

If she takes the stand, I will watch.  I will be so amazed,,, so amazed that it is likely I will never be able to top that amazement again in my lifetime.  The only recourse I will have is to never watch TV again, EVER.  I can promise, I never will again.

[Anna]

Baez may be able to talk her into pleading guilty, but honestly, I can see her denying it to her grave.

Agree.  She will never tell the TRUTH of what happened and may claim she pled guilty to avoid death penalty.

But I think she will get more than twenty years.  I think they will rack up the charges against her.  Felony abuse of a child, etc. and add years by that manner. 

I think in Florida you get twenty years for shoplifting, lol.  Just kidding, just kidding Florida monkeys!  Am a law and order person myself.

[Brandi]

I just hope and pray that LE has something, anything, that definitely ties Casey to the crime scene and Caylee's body.  Like fingerprints, fibers, etc.  Otherwise, am thinking that the defense will likely just spin this forever, just as they did the DNA in the trunk.  Saying something like, 'yeah there's decomp in the trunk.  yeah it's the car casey was driving.  but prove that casey had anything to do with the decomp'.  they may just do the same with all that was found at the crime scene.  'yeah it is Caylee's body, yeah there's items from the house, etc... but prove that casey had anything to do with any of that.' Can't you just hear Baez saying this?   Without fingerprints, fibers, SOMETHING that definitely connects Casey to Caylee's dead body, am thinking we'll all have whiplash from the spin from the defense.   

I sure heard Cindy say this many times: "It's all circumstantial .. THEY have NO evidence!"

Sound familiar?

[mytime]

Baez may be able to talk her into pleading guilty, but honestly, I can see her denying it to her grave.

ITA.  Baez wants a trial, I think!  He likes the notoriety and money this case brings.  Caylee is just collaterial damage to him, IMO.

[Russ]

Baez may be able to talk her into pleading guilty, but honestly, I can see her denying it to her grave.

ITA.  Baez wants a trial, I think!  He likes the notoriety and money this case brings.  Caylee is just collaterial damage to him, IMO.

Naw.  He will be made a fool of, unless his trial strategy is one of abuse, immaturity, and mental defect.  He wants to milk publicity until he pleas out imo.

[Anna]

Baez may be able to talk her into pleading guilty, but honestly, I can see her denying it to her grave.

ITA.  Baez wants a trial, I think!  He likes the notoriety and money this case brings.  Caylee is just collaterial damage to him, IMO.

I thought Baez seemed subdued on Geraldo tonight.  Not much to say.  It was that other defense attorney blathering on and raising his voice, etc. Forget his name.  But the female judge chewed them both up and spit them out.

Forgot her name as well.  It has been a very long day and my mind is no longer working. 

[higherhopes]

Trust me.....Casey will spent the better part of 30 years or more in prison, I dont doubt that at all, hell Charles Manson is still in prison and he never killed anybody, just told others to do the deed for him, but seriously, she aint getting out for a long long time!

[Russ]

Baez may be able to talk her into pleading guilty, but honestly, I can see her denying it to her grave.

Agree.  She will never tell the TRUTH of what happened and may claim she pled guilty to avoid death penalty.

But I think she will get more than twenty years.  I think they will rack up the charges against her.  Felony abuse of a child, etc. and add years by that manner. 

I think in Florida you get twenty years for shoplifting, lol.  Just kidding, just kidding Florida monkeys!  Am a law and order person myself.

Sad thing is that she might accept a 60 year sentence whereby she has the ability to parole out in 10.  You can structure those deals so intricately that she might be able to even bear Baez's next child.  I would like to see his protest if any.

[Brandi]

Baez may be able to talk her into pleading guilty, but honestly, I can see her denying it to her grave.

Agree.  She will never tell the TRUTH of what happened and may claim she pled guilty to avoid death penalty.

But I think she will get more than twenty years.  I think they will rack up the charges against her.  Felony abuse of a child, etc. and add years by that manner. 

I think in Florida you get twenty years for shoplifting, lol.  Just kidding, just kidding Florida monkeys!  Am a law and order person myself.

Wish I had come up with these words myself, but I heard someone recently on TV say that Casey has a very advanced hard-core "sense of self-preservation instincts."

And this is what she is exhibiting now ... by not saying anything.

She will not say anything unless she is faced with the needle ... then, is the only chance she will speak about what happened ...or what she wants us to think what happened.

[crazybabyborg]

It's not as simple as Baez deciding to take another route for a defense. Even if Casey doesn't take the stand, the whole Zanny thing will come in through George and Cindy and Lee, and Casey will still be measured against the lies she told. There will still be no apartment, no Zanny, and since Caylee is dead, no ridiculous reason not to tell it.

She can't put that toothpaste back in the tube once she decided to squeeze it out.

Finding Caylee was a Godsend for both the prosecution and for decency for that little girl.

[Sea Searcher]

Russ stated:

Baez doesn't need the high priced forensic specialists and medical examiners.  They are killing him.  He doesn't care because he knows his defense has nothing to do with what is going on anyways.  They got a big surprise in store for us.

And I await with baited breath ... NOT  LOL

I know you are being sarcastic, Russ

I guarantee they do based on logic.  They have 3 witnesses on their list.  They have no defense.  The body being found makes it even more difficult.

She is going to plead guilty.

I have had just a "feeling" that Casey would do this since the remains were found.  No logical reason for my thinking it, just feel that this is what she is pondering. 

I think you may be right.  She is totally isolated and knows most of the world hates her, etc.  She has to know that no one is buying the zanny story and it might save her life.  I don't think they ever give the death penalty when they confess but I think she will still try the accident which won't fly either but she will at least try it.

Would be hard to admit to killing a child.

Baez has all the time in the world to do nothing but spew nonsense and absorb the 10 million dollar advertising windfall he is getting.  He will be on TV for decades to come.

He doesn't have to develop and craft a defense for trial until discovery is released, a luxury of defense attorneys in the eye of rule of law.  He can concoct whatever works that infiltrates the prosecution's evidence in the timeframe he see fits.  Welcome to Florida.

The evidence is overwhelming.  Commonsense reigns.  Casey will admit to nothing more than an accidental death and a grieving mother's panic.
we lose.

Justice loses.

BUT, the deal will likely involve a minimum 20 year incarceration.  She will be 43.

I'm confused...are you saying she will plead guilty to Homicide or accidental death? and which is punished by 20 years ?