Natalee Case Discussion #682 9/24 - 9/30/2007

[Patti]

I'm sorry...

I was just getting ready to cook dinner and wanted
to make sure they post before I shut down my computer.

Hey, Angie!!!

Good to see you.  I hope you're feeling better.  I'll e-mail
you later.

Thanks, again, Klaas

[Elaine]

Got any that say ~ Keep It Comin' Love?

Let me try this again...THIS is too darned funny!
Klaas, maybe you could delete that other post lol  TIA

[LilPuma]

That will break your eyes... 

how bout any that say ~ I break for Frosted Flakes?

Koolie - how bout a few that says ~ Julia slept here and here and here and here and here and there?

The word in Aruba is Renfro want's to do DNA testing for her kids..Half the islands chollers are now in hiding..

Sounds like a job for Maury Povich.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

I'm sorry...

I was just getting ready to cook dinner and wanted
to make sure they post before I shut down my computer.

Hey, Angie!!!

Good to see you.  I hope you're feeling better.  I'll e-mail
you later.

Thanks, again, Klaas


Hey girl  nice to see you too 

[Buckeye]

For those at RU

There are statements discussing Natalee's level of consciousness.

There are statements discussing "fingering" of Natalee.  According to dugo, "fingering" is defined as sexual penetration, in the Dutch and Aruban law.

Article 243 of the Aruban law:

Art. 243. Hij die met iemand van wie hij weet dat hij in staat van bewusteloosheid of lichamelijke onmacht verkeert, dan wel aan een zodanige gebrekkige ontwikkeling of ziekelijke stoornis van zijn geestvermogens lijdt dat hij niet of onvolkomen in staat is zijn wil daaromtrent te bepalen of kenbaar te maken of daartegen weerstand te bieden, handelingen pleegt die bestaan uit of mede bestaan uit het
seksueel binnendringen van het lichaam, wordt gestraft met gevangenisstraf van ten hoogste acht jaren of geldboete van de vijfde categorie.

Online translation:

Art.  243.  He that with someone whose he know that he in state of unconsciousness or physical powerlessness is wrong, then well at an in such a way faulty development or sickly disturbance of its mind fortune suffers that he not or onvolkomen in state is its will thereabouts to fix or recognizably to make or against that resistance to offer, trade commits that consist of or also consist of the sexually penetrate into of the body, becomes With imprisonment of to most eight years or money fine of the fifth category. 

This is the least of Joran's problems and not in Beth's imagination.

[igsigs]

Aruban Law? Nice find Buckeye.

Next step, enforcement.

[klaasend]

For those at RU

There are statements discussing Natalee's level of consciousness.

There are statements discussing "fingering" of Natalee.  According to dugo, "fingering" is defined as sexual penetration, in the Dutch and Aruban law.

Article 243 of the Aruban law:

Art. 243. Hij die met iemand van wie hij weet dat hij in staat van bewusteloosheid of lichamelijke onmacht verkeert, dan wel aan een zodanige gebrekkige ontwikkeling of ziekelijke stoornis van zijn geestvermogens lijdt dat hij niet of onvolkomen in staat is zijn wil daaromtrent te bepalen of kenbaar te maken of daartegen weerstand te bieden, handelingen pleegt die bestaan uit of mede bestaan uit het
seksueel binnendringen van het lichaam, wordt gestraft met gevangenisstraf van ten hoogste acht jaren of geldboete van de vijfde categorie.

Online translation:

Art.  243.  He that with someone whose he know that he in state of unconsciousness or physical powerlessness is wrong, then well at an in such a way faulty development or sickly disturbance of its mind fortune suffers that he not or onvolkomen in state is its will thereabouts to fix or recognizably to make or against that resistance to offer, trade commits that consist of or also consist of the sexually penetrate into of the body, becomes With imprisonment of to most eight years or money fine of the fifth category. 

This is the least of Joran's problems and not in Beth's imagination.

According to JORAN from his book:

Declaration Freddy Zedan, June 12 2005:

I am Jorans best friend and neighbour. We got to know each other about two years ago. Joran and I practice sports together a lot, that is how we became good friends. Monday afternoon May 30 Joran came to my house. He told me that, the day before, sunday, in the Holiday Inn Casino, he met a girl and she had asked him to come to Carlos 'n Charlies in the evening. He went and they have danced there and have drunk. After that he has driven away with Deepak, Satish and the girl. Her friends saw that. They drove in the direction of the lighthouse; a white car drove behind them and probably wanted to race against Deepak. But Deepak would never do such a thing. Joran told that he had fingered and kissed the girl. He did not say he had sex with the girl. They drove towards the lighthouse, she wanted to se sharks. But Deepak only drove to the lighthouse, because his car was low and could not drive to the north side of Aruba. The girl

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said that if the Kalpoe brothers would have lived in her city, they would be slaves. After this they drove to the hotel. When the girl openend the door of the car she fell on the ground. Joran wanted to help he, but she pushed him away. [...]
The next day, tuesday May 31 2005 in the afternoon I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I remembered what he told me about the girl the day before, I said yes. The girl appeared to be missing. The FBI was at his home at night, but he wasn't there. His father phoned as to where he was, Joran said in the Radisson Casino. He told that after the phone call he was called by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Jorans house. The FBI and family of the girl were at his home. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and he didn't drop of the missing girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them had driven to the beach north of the Mariott Hotel. The girl fell multiple times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point the girl didn't recover anymore and that they had left her on the beach. He also told that he left his sport shoes on the beach. After Joran told me this I asked him why he had left her behind. He answered me that he didn't knew what to do at that moment. Joran told me that after that he was dropped off at home by Deepak and Satish. On friday evening June 3 I met Joran at his home. [...] He told me that during this period he could not remember if they bought food or did something else.

[Tamikosmom]

For those at RU

There are statements discussing Natalee's level of consciousness.

There are statements discussing "fingering" of Natalee.  According to dugo, "fingering" is defined as sexual penetration, in the Dutch and Aruban law.

Article 243 of the Aruban law:

Art. 243. Hij die met iemand van wie hij weet dat hij in staat van bewusteloosheid of lichamelijke onmacht verkeert, dan wel aan een zodanige gebrekkige ontwikkeling of ziekelijke stoornis van zijn geestvermogens lijdt dat hij niet of onvolkomen in staat is zijn wil daaromtrent te bepalen of kenbaar te maken of daartegen weerstand te bieden, handelingen pleegt die bestaan uit of mede bestaan uit het
seksueel binnendringen van het lichaam, wordt gestraft met gevangenisstraf van ten hoogste acht jaren of geldboete van de vijfde categorie.

Online translation:

Art.  243.  He that with someone whose he know that he in state of unconsciousness or physical powerlessness is wrong, then well at an in such a way faulty development or sickly disturbance of its mind fortune suffers that he not or onvolkomen in state is its will thereabouts to fix or recognizably to make or against that resistance to offer, trade commits that consist of or also consist of the sexually penetrate into of the body, becomes With imprisonment of to most eight years or money fine of the fifth category. 

This is the least of Joran's problems and not in Beth's imagination.

.... not in Beth's imagination ... not in Jug's imagination.  Even the former Chief of Police ... Gerold Dompig ... who had a foundational knowledge of what was going on within the investigation ... concedes that "sexually fondling" ... which occurred against Natalee's person while she was going in and out of consciousness ... was considered a felony in Aruba.

Buckeye ... thank you for the backup.

Janet

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Gerold Dompig
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
October 14, 2005

COSBY:  Chief, did any of these men—if we can show the picture of the three of them—this is Joran and both Kalpoe brothers.  Did any of these three ever admit to having sex with Natalee to authorities at any point, Chief?

DOMPIG:  No, they did not.  They keep denying it, and they only went so far as to say that they fondled sexually.  At least, Joran did that, and the others denied everything.

COSBY:  Now, did Joran—we‘ve heard from the family, Chief, that—you know, that Joran was claiming in some statement that she was going in and out of consciousness.  Have you seen that anywhere?

DOMPIG:  Yes.  That‘s definitely in the statements, and that‘s why we were kind of disappointed when the judge didn‘t accept that because that‘s basically a felony in Aruba.  We think that what happened was that the judge just didn‘t buy it the way—because Joran went back and forth with his statements, and he withdrew two statements which he had already given to us.  So basically, none of his statements were really trustworthy.

COSBY:  But what you‘re saying, Chief, is that he did say that, at some point, she was in and out of consciousness.  You‘re saying that‘s a felony in Aruba.  where did he say that happened, in the back of the car?

DOMPIG:  In the back of the car.  He mentioned a couple of times that she passed out a couple of times.  Those were his words.  But in a way that someone that‘s drunk, that‘s kind of like not really aware of what‘s happening.

[Tamikosmom]

O/T

Girl assaulted on tape found safe, Nevada authorities say

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/28/sextape.search.ap/index.html

[klaasend]

O/T

Girl assaulted on tape found safe, Nevada authorities say

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/28/sextape.search.ap/index.html

Great news Janet - thanks for posting!

[Buckeye]

Aruban Law? Nice find Buckeye.

Next step, enforcement.

Yeh, been holding my breath on that one.  Just because they don't enforce any laws, does not mean that the people talking about the situation are crazy or lying.

[crazybabyborg]

Hi Guys! Any word on finding Beth's Book at Walmart? Mine still doesn't have it! 
Has anyone got it besides Rob and Igsigs at this point?


BTW: There are lots of unclaimed personalized Halloween avatars for you all in the Lounge whenever you guys are ready to get dressed. 

[klaasend]

Hi Guys! Any word on finding Beth's Book at Walmart? Mine still doesn't have it! 
Has anyone got it besides Rob and Igsigs at this point?


BTW: There are lots of unclaimed personalized Halloween avatars for you all in the Lounge whenever you guys are ready to get dressed. 

The way it sounds, Walmart distibution center may have screwed up sending some books to their stores.  Walmart is now saying the book will not be available until October 2nd.

[crazybabyborg]

Yeah, Klaas; they told me "Tuesday" which would be the 2nd of October.

[Tamikosmom]

Hi Guys! Any word on finding Beth's Book at Walmart? Mine still doesn't have it! 
Has anyone got it besides Rob and Igsigs at this point?


BTW: There are lots of unclaimed personalized Halloween avatars for you all in the Lounge whenever you guys are ready to get dressed. 

Ducky and I are ready!!

Thanks CBB.

Janet

[klaasend]

Janet - you need my help with that?

[sharon]

Hi Guys! Any word on finding Beth's Book at Walmart? Mine still doesn't have it! 
Has anyone got it besides Rob and Igsigs at this point?


BTW: There are lots of unclaimed personalized Halloween avatars for you all in the Lounge whenever you guys are ready to get dressed. 

CBB -- I thought I remembered OSPainter having Beth's book as well.

 

[sb]

Hi everyone,

Bannings of refugee trolls are SOOOO much fun. (pumps fist)

That Hammaker character is another charlierat wannabe whose name shows up in the op-ed section of the Birmingham News periodically, same level of idiocy and same hard-left mental illness as the rat him(?)self. Maybe they're an "item".  If I see them at Beth's book signing I'll give them a piece of my mind, since I have plenty to spare LOL. Hopefully Birmingham's finest will fumigate the Barnes & Noble before the cockroaches can get too rampant.

It seems apparent that the books are being held by the publisher to coincide with the signings and appearances by Beth. This is a good thing, the bigger the "splash" it makes, the better. We are patient Monkeys. We can wait.

How's everyone doing tonight?

[Buckeye]

One more for the record: thanks RU

dugo  Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:01 am
Janee wrote:

Sultan wrote:


I'm confused on this point too. Is he now saying they had sex on the beach?
Sexual activity yes, intercourse no. Call it what you want.
I guess it's a language thing. When an American says he had sex he means he had intercourse. Not that he was bouncing her boobs or tickling her camel toe.
Not really. That distinguishes rape from sexual assault.

dugo wrote:

If we go judicial technical on this, in the Netherlands rape is defined as unwanted /sexually penetrating/ .. fingers count.

[Tamikosmom]

Janet - you need my help with that?

Yes please!!  This computer illiterate does not have a clue.   

Thanks Klaas

Janet