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Great pictures, Klass

 

Please don't shut up, Alagary.  Spill it, Mister..... (or Mrs?)   :-)

I was just guessing that Alagary = ALA like alabama and Gary like a dude's name... cuz I'm all curious and nosy like that.  :-)

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I give up. I meant two "A's" in Klaas, not two "S's"

*sigh me*

I agree Alagary, it sure could have been someone Ron pizzzzed off!  Would sure explain why Ron was immediately angry at 'them', how he seemed to instantly know that they 'stole' his daughter.  It's like he knew something that he sure wasn't saying.  His reaction was sooooo over the top, starting with that 911 call.  If not druggies bent on the revenge, then who was the 'them/they' that he was so very angry with?   ::MonkeyEek::

Rana.. bringing this over from the last thread, in case you didn't see it...

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Hey Rana, don't be shy now, please tell us, do you think it couldn't have been an intruder?    ::MonkeyHaHa::

j/k!!

Wow!  That was the most complete list I've ever seen!  Whew!

Brandi created that one, it's really nice. 

Don't encourage me, Wyks!    ::MonkeyLaugh::

I could get on the intruder train, but how did they get in and out etc? (No, really.. I'm seriously asking) :-) OK I'm officially retiring the ranty rant now. (Well, better late then never; sheesh)  :-)

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Hey ! I found my previous "Day One" mile long ranty rant.

Release the doves ! .   ::MonkeyLaugh::

(Boo! Hiss! Groan...)   

(the red is over the top, rana; Gah, you're so annoying.)

There are many things to try to keep straight in my head and I'm sure I'm forgetting something. Or if I have said something incorrectly here, tripped on a word or factor or detail - just set me straight on the sequence of events etc.... if I get something out of order or forget something  - no problem.

Just trying to wrap my brain around it all. Sorry this is long.

Any monkey... please feel free to add to it, tweak it, or omit from it.... or tell me to shove it. (I get that a lot - heh.)   

(You're a total snore, rana; Hows about you take a delivery to SHUTTY industries?)

Why is it hard for it to be an intruder? (imo)

No car motor heard approaching
No odd car seen approaching- (not many ways IN and out of that place right?)
No car lights seen approaching

No boat motor heard approaching
No boat lights seen approaching

No one seen approaching, carrying a flashlight to light his way on foot even in full moonlight in tall dense woods - thick, tall trees may obscure some moonlight
added light may be especially needed to navigate through yard with toys and cinderblocks etc at night

No tripping over toys in yard at night if on foot
Knows where to find cinderblock..... in the dark

Did he carry a waepon and a flashlight?
Did he even carry a weapon?
What if he ran into someone?
With no weapon was he going to chat or ask to use the phone and pretend he had car trouble?

Where's the car?
Out on the road?
How far?

Was he going to use bare hands to overpower whoever he encountered if anyone?
Isn't that risky as far as leaving evidence?
And witnesses?

Was he prepared to kill whoever he encountered, if anyone?
Was he okay with leaving witnesses?
Why is he OK with that?
 
Manages to get into the mobile home with "for sure" locked doors (back and front (and side) were said to be locked, right?)
No signs of forced entry
No obvious signs or prints, dirty shoes... anything
No tire tracks

Props open the back screen door "with a brick"
either enters thru that inner door
or goes AROUND and uses a different door to enter
If so, he closes and locks other door (** that is, if door other than "back" door was used for entrance)

** (IOW it appears that he left by the "back door"
but it hasn't been confirmed which way he came IN (has it?)
 but I'm covering both scenarios in the list here)

Knows where kitchen light switch is among several switches
Did he get lucky?
Or he try them all?
Did he KNOW which switch it was ?
Or was he never there and so tried none of them?

He brazenly (IMO) turns on the kitchen light
No dirt, sand, or footprints on the laundry on the floor
He knows to step over it?
Or he was never there to step over it?

He KNOWS the 5 yr old female is in the master bedroom
NOT in her own bedroom
Or he was rummaging through the house looking for Haleigh's room?
This room? nope?
This room? nope?

Not running into any furniture in the dark
Not turninig on any other lights, Why?
Did he know his way around in the dark or coudl he see from only the light shining to other rooms from the kithen?
Not bumping into - knocking over any items
Not making a noise

Knows Daddy is not home
Knows what TIME Daddy is not home

Knows babysitter/girlfriend/bride is not armed with a glock to blow his head off
Knows baby sitter/girlfriend/bride does not have friends over particularly male who would get in the way

Goes into correct bedroom where all were sleeping
"Steals" Haleigh w/o a peep

No evidence of a struggle
No scream from Haleigh
No scream from Jr.
No scream from babysitter/girlfriend/ bride
(I could see maybe getting past one... two.. of them w/o a scream, but all three?)
No disturbing or waking babysitter/girlfriend/bride

Gets out with child in hand without a peep
A child screams at a stranger lifting her from her bed at night?
doesn't she?

Why didn't she scream? Maybe she couldnt scream
Did he chloroform her?
So he was carrying out the chloroform and the child and the flashlight and the weapon if any?

Did he tape her mouth?
Did he bring tape and carry it out too with the child and the flashlight and the weapon, if any?

Did he bring only just enough tape and not the whole roll?
Wouldn't a strip of tape stick to itself if it weren't on the roll?
Did he borrow tape already there?
He knew there was tape?
He knew where there was tape?
Did he rummage thru the drawers?

Did he strike her unconscious?
With what?
Did he bring a weapon to strike her?
Is that the same weaon he would have used for adult encounters if any?
Did he use an item in the home?
If so, no blood or hair on the item?

Was she asleep the whole time?
yes, IMO inside the home she could have remained asleep as someone carried her
But wasn't it colder outside?
Doesn't a shock of cold air wake a person or rouse them?

It was 50-something degrees at 7 PM;
What colder temperature was it after 7 PM?

So when the cold air hit her as he carried her outside, she didn't wake from the colder air and get terrified by some stranger removing her from her bed?

Did he put a coat on her?
Is a coat missing?

Did he wrap her in the bedding?
Is the bedding missing?

He leaves the inner door "WIDE open"
But the inner door has a slow swing auto close
Is that auto closer customary on mobile home INNER doors BTW?

No car motor heard starting
No odd car seen leaving - (again, not many ways IN and out of that place right? Risky choice, that. A home with many escape routes is less risky)
No car lights seen leaving

People have commented that it is customary in this local mobile home community to have people coming and going at all hours b/c of the popularity of shift work ie the best (higher paying) job opportunites in shift work particular to this community (construction, hospitals? diners? I cant recall them all etc) Yet no one saw anything that we know of

No boat motor heard starting or idling or whatever waiting boats do
No boat lights seen leaving

If on foot, no light seen from flashlight
No one sees he's leaving with child in hand, carrying a child and flashlight adn perhaps a weapon - lighting his way on foot to navigate back through yard at night on the way out

Is he able to hop even a slow moving train while holding a child?
Don't you need both hands to heave yourself into the train car?

Does he have a camp setup in the woods?

What a cavalier RSO/stranger/abductor who must have "stolen" Haleigh.

**sad sigh**

Then there's Misty's part .... the bathroom, the blankets, the drink of water, the who-slept-where;
Why did Misty get up?
What was she wearing when Ron got home etc

Then Ron's part... his getting home; I'm not sure, but I think I recall that Ron was at work.  (/ TM Alagary)  :-)   

I don't know.... **sigh**

This theory has always puzzled me~usually dopers don't kill those related to those that have pizzed them off, although I know of at least 3 cases where it has happened, I guess my theory if this is the case would be that Ron did steal from some dealer etc., they knew his work hours and that he wouldn't be home when they went to retrieve them from the trailer......one problem, Haleigh hears someone coming in and assumes it's her dad, she myabe recognizes them and so they have no choice but to take her. They would be more efficient in hiding her alive or otherwise than Misty would.............ideas, nanner throwing, it's all ok just trying to theorize. ::MonkeyTongue::

FWIW, this page/site has Putnam County (and other) crimes, arrests,  "definitions" of crimes, etc. Altho it says, "Crime 2000," it also has a notation at the bottom that the page was last modifed April 20, 2007.  :-)

Crimes Reported in Putnam County Florida- Fed Stats

http://www.fedstats.gov/mapstats/crime/county/12107.html (http://www.fedstats.gov/mapstats/crime/county/12107.html)

Possible theory there IM, I can go down that road with you.  I always agree that I can not see it happening over dope, but maybe over something a little more "expensive" like coke, meth, or x.

Yep~and he has an arrest record for both of cocaine and meth......I can follow your hub's theory along with this, and also regarding the Misty holding something over his head to get him to marry her.

I wonder if they have tested any of Misty, Ron, or even Jr's clothing for meth residue.  From what I understand if a person has been exposed to it or the cooking, the debris from cutting and making tend to stick to walls, furniture, skin, and clothing. 

Yep~and he has an arrest record for both of cocaine and meth......I can follow your hub's theory along with this, and also regarding the Misty holding something over his head to get him to marry her.
was he really?

i don't know a lot about this case, trying to lurk & learn

yes, and GHB, Morphine......the list is lengthy, and public......there are arrest in Sarasota, Lake and Putnam counties.

Were his charges for deal drugs or just possession of them, I could see him using but he just don't look like he smart enough to be a dealer, I honest think it was a pedophile and he is familiar with the Cummings and has been in there house before, dunno. Just hard to think someone would take a child over drugs. Too much trouble to do something with her.

I don't know, although from what I've read and seen about meth~ they don't look like they partake in meth themselves, maybe distribution as he has an arrest for maintaining a drug vehicle, but it's a good point for LE to look at anyway........

Given his arrest records being so scattered does fit the pattern of someone trafficing narcotics/drugs.  IIRC just recently the drug ring took a pretty hard hit after a discovery was found during a routine traffic stop down here in South Florida.  I can imagine many within the drug industry are pretty hard pressed for cash given some of the supply has been "recovered".

You do not have to be book smart educated to be street smart educated.  Many people are either one or the other, and not always both.  While he does not seem very smart, he does look like he has had a hard life...

Yes~that's exactly how they got him in Sarasota, routine traffic stop.

I don't know, although from what I've read and seen about meth~ they don't look like they partake in meth themselves, maybe distribution as he has an arrest for maintaining a drug vehicle, but it's a good point for LE to look at anyway........


i don't mean to be stupid, but what does that mean?

That is what I meant, cutting and making.  (Cutting for distribution of big supply or stash, and manufacturing of the meth)  If they had a methlab within that trailer it would have been found by now, as well as a stash.

ITA~I also think Misty is more street smart than most give her credit for........

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Don't feel stupid, I had to ask too, IIRC it's mainting a veficle with the intention to distribute drugs, Dolce feel free to correct me if I'm wrong as you have moe knowledge with a dad in LE ::MonkeyTongue::

Oh, I understand, I'm clueless about drugs and terminology, although my brother could enlighten me very easily as he's had problems for yrssss, but I never allow him near my kids ::MonkeyNoNo::

I don't know I guess I want to see the good in people thinking they are just poor and getting a bad rap, I can see that most involved in this case have had a hard life and done really stupid stuff.
Just kinda like to think for once a father gets custody of his kids and other than being poor and making stupid mistakes in the past that he loved his kids and was trying to to the best by them that he could even being poor.

I totally agree with that, Misty is street smart, and not as naive as she would like one to think.

Not 100% on this, going to have to ask my Dad, but from what I gather it means the vehicle housed the drugs, as in stashed in the door panels, cushions, trunk, gas tank....
Drug vehicle is also a way to administer a drug, like a syringe can be considered the vehicle by which the drugs enter your system, or a pipe.

She does however look totally scared of saying the wrong thing and looking too Ron for the answers.

Wyks FUZZIES!! you   :-)

IM, I agree. And if Earl, I mean Ron, (sorry I watch too much Thur night NBC TV - heh) if Ron did believe someone took Haleigh over drugs why would he think that Elly May, I mean Misty would be able to stop "them;" How is tiny Misty going to foil an intruder and keep Ron's “kid” from getting “stole?” What the heck could she do about it? Blow a thick gi-normous smoke cloud from her copious ciggies, grab the kids and make a run for it?

If druggies took his daughter it would be, imo, to use her as a bargaining chip to extract something from Ron or to get something back. Druggies don't customarily run around pinching kindergartners from their beds just out of revenge do they? Even they have their priorites. IMO, I'd think they'd be focused on their stash and their cheddar – (that's gangsta for "money," y'all) (I Googled the Urban Dictionary and I'm at risk of becoming obnoxious.)

('Fraid that ship has sailed, rana.)

I mean if they wanted to kill someone it seems they would have killed Earl, I mean Ron. And cops look for little kids more than....... well cops DO look fervently and relentless for little kids and perhaps LE beats the bushes somewhat less for unsavory characters on the fringes of socicty (oops that sounded a little  dirty)  :-)  aka dealers or people on the wrong side of the law for whatever reason - or adults period.  Adults can be thought to have left on their own accord; Five year olds can't pick up, grab a bus, and start a new life.

I said this in the last thread, but I also have noticed that jacket she wears that others have harped about.  That could be her "comfort blankie" type thing, her little "safety blankie jacket".  Kids, teens, and young adults hold tight to items they consider comforting and/or safe.  She is always in that jacket, even here in Florida where the weather is up in temp.  She is scared of something IMO.

Yeppers~she walked out on LE beacuse she didn't like being interrogated, hmmmm HELLO~you were the last person to see her alive (that we know of), and your story is like swiss cheese. She reminds me of another gal who refused to speak with specific officers ::MonkeyRoll::

Just throwing this out there....but if drugs are the reason for this abduction, I can not see them contacting the cops for help.  Throwing this all over television and the possible exposure would surely sign a death warrant for Haleigh....and possibly other family members as well.

I agree she looks scared of Ron, the question is why?  ::MonkeyEek::

They did have lunch with George Anthony, after which George and KFN were asked by LE to vacate the county....

where can i go to find this info?

...so i won't drive yall crazy asking questions

There is a Haleigh news thread just as there is one for Caylee. 

I was just wondering what you all thought after seeing the door propped open the way it was? It wasn't wide open like we all had pictured, can anyone think of any reson possible someone would prop open a door in such a way?

The only reason I can think of is custody of JR, if they admitted to this scenario, it would jeapordize custody, but I'd spill my guts to everything I'd done down to stealing bubblegum when I was 2yrs old to find answers and get my child back.

No, I was shocked it was open so little, I have no reason why it would be open like that, because I thought it was wide open.  ::MonkeyEek::

My thought are so the person carrying out a child would not have to kick or back into the door in order to open it....would get pretty noisey.

On another note, in regards to the door...that incline is wood planks, similar to a doc, and walking on that even in my thong sandals makes a clink clink type sound.  That could/would be a bit noisey for a person to go up and down and up and down, first to open and prop with the brick, and second to walk up and walk down carrying a child back.

I am also a little disgruntled that foot prints have not been found...its not like we are dealing with a putting green here.

He strikes me as someone that would knock her around but I just want to think he got his kids this is saying something for him how many fathers even try to get custody of their kids and keep them. Most people involved in dealing drugs don't want lil kids around bugging them. IDK I am just hoping they find her and it was not the family involved!

Exactly, but only because you may very well only have bubble gum stealing in your past......

Me too.

yeah, but why not prop it wide open? I just don't understand that at all! unless someone earlier in the day/week whatever propped it open only enough where no one would notice the screen propped wide open.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Exactly..........now don't tell it's my big bad secret!

Well, you have to take a good look at the bio-mom's past here too.  It seemed like at time of custody hearing he was the lesser of 2 evils with a job and stable place to live.

Oh its ok, we have NumbersGirl in Musings rounding up the monkeys for the Operation Monkey Fund Gala...aka OMFG....to help raise bail money!!

Hey, are we as a monkey group, assuming that LE has put GPS devices on the vehicle/s? bugged the house? tapped the phones? and monitored any out of area excursions of the immediate..... folks?  Or is that frowned upon or a lot of red tape... or difficult ...warrant-wise or otherwise? Anyone?

Also, before I say this, let me preface by saying I don't know how long "scent" lingers for dogs who track scent; so that is relevant to the comment in general. Anyone know BTW??

Anyway, I recall that LE initially had dogs following Haleigh's scent. I would also like to know if LE had a dog who traced only the scents of Ron and Misty, repsectively. IOW, it would be significant, imo, to know if the dogs showed the two scents (child and either adult) that went along the same path.

And about the the cadaver dogs....  The dogs hit on a dumpster near the Cummings' home, but they "didn't find anything." Is LE really trying to  have us believe that they never checked that dumpster on Day 1? (/C. Anthony)  :-) To quote a monkey : horsepucky. I thought that snooping dumpsters in missing persons cases is job 1. Wouldn't LE have done that right away, not "way" later? GMAB. Sheesh.
 
Also, is Ron's truck "new??

Got locked out of the cage, AGAIN!

Lucky for you, Dolce: your order is ready!  LOL

Catching up on reading here. Be caught up soon.

To make the door almost appear closed from the outside and be able to get back in easily, like sneak in. I still have suspicions about where Misty was the entire night.

Does Granny Sykes smoke?  It has been reported that Granny Sykes was there that night delivering clothes and doing some laundry.  We have to put Granny around that backdoor around 7ish that night.

All I know is that I think Ron and Misty are lying like rugs..... why? I don't know.

For me the whole 911, the door open thing, the kitchen light, the bathroom, the drink of water, the "I seen 3" yadda yadda, are lies and the whole bit is fabricated to me. But why?



 

Does anyone recall for sure or have a link about the dang doors?

Why do I keep remembering "WIDE " open?

And if the inner wood door (on the slow auto closer) were closed, how could she even SEE the that screen door was "propped open with a 'brick'?"

And from the pix we have, the outer screen door was barely open -- not WIDE open?

Was it the inside door that was WIDE open? And if so, what was holding it open?


TIA  ::MonkeyCool::

Thank you so much!! Beautiful work!! Also thank you for using a jewel tone!!!  ::MonkeyTongue::

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IM, my dad is telling me that within the police report for the drug vehicle there should be a quantity given for the drugs, usually in weights of kilo's....according to him, for his boys it means the car of which they are driving has over a certain weight of drugs within it, but that the terminology used by the cop writing it up could mean something along the lines of the instrument used to administer the drugs.  The weight/amount of drugs determines the severity of the case and if it is considered just a possession, which would be noted on the report, or a trafficking which would be noted on the report.  Might also find the answers within court filings.
Sorry so vague.

I think I understand. I'll look back at the records as I don't remember the weight, just that it was a felony.

OK~I looked back, the records are for possesion, and it doesn't show a weight...it does show the affadavits, warrants and report links, but you have to go there in person to look at what they took into evidence.

When you find it send me the link and I will shoot it on over to him to review if he has time.  May be nothin, but would be interesting!

Found this (in my notes, of course)  LOL:
13 CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 1983-10-29 N/A N/A, N/A N/A N/A
First Name RONALD Middle Name LEMYLES Last Name CUMMINGS
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth 1983-10-29
Race WHITE Offense Date 2002-12-12 Source State FL
Offense 0893.13.6A POSSESSION OF MARIJUANA (MORE THAN 20 GRAMS) Gender M

It's a long record, didn't want to paste it all in here.

Oh, Dolce, another post for you.

Alright, called him back.  For it to be felony it had to be a high amount in weight.  He said that the standard wording for "an instrument to administer drug" is usually under the umbrella term of "drug paraphernalia".  He said given the fact that it was considered a felony more than likely it was for the trafficking of drugs.
Now he wants to know what I have envolved myself in.  LOL

20 grams is a little under that of an ounce of marijuana.  If it was all in one bag it can be argued as just possession, but if it was distributed into individual baggies it would be considered trafficking.

Here is the PUTNAM county info on one of his arrests:



UCN: 542004CF002063XXAXMX
File Date: 2004-11-16 Judge: A W NICHOLS III   
Defense Atty: FELICIANO, SHARON 

Defendant
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 
Alias


Date # Docket Description
2004-11-16 1 ARREST REPORT - PCSO EDGAR (ARREST 11/12/04) 

2004-11-16 1 POSSESSION OF CANNABIS IN EXCESS OF 20 GRAMS 

2004-11-16 1 POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA 

2004-11-16 1 MAINTAINING A DRUG VEHICLE 

2004-11-16 2 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HEARING 11/13/04 

2004-11-16 2 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED FOR FIRST APPEARANCE ONLY 

2004-11-16 2 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND 

2004-11-16 2 $2012.00 UNSECURED BOND SET 11/13/04 

2004-11-16 3 TRAFFIC CITATION - #7877-DBJ 2 

2004-11-16 4 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY 

2004-11-16 5 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER FOR 1ST APP HEARING 

2004-11-16 6 APPEARANCE BOND - UNSECURED $ 2,012 

2004-12-03 7 INFORMATION (CT 1-POSSESSION OF CANNABIS IN EXCESS 

2004-12-03 7 OF 20 GRAMS) 

2004-12-07 8 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (01-07-2005) 

2005-01-07 9 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, SWORN, ARRAIGNED, 

2005-01-07 9 PUBLIC DEFENDER APPOINTED, ENTERED PLEA OF NOT GUILTY, 

2005-01-07 9 SET FOR PRE TRIAL 02/03/2005. 

2005-01-07 10 AFFIDAVIT OF INDIGENT STATUS 

2005-01-07 10 DEFENDANT ADJUDGED INDIGENT 

2005-01-07 10 $40.00 APPLICATION FEE IMPOSED 

2005-01-07 11 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER 

2005-01-07 12 ORDER SETTING PRE TRIAL 02/03/2005 

2005-01-07 13 NOTICE GIVEN TO DEFENDANT IN COURT FOR NEXT COURT DATE 

2005-01-10 14 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (02-03-2005) 

2005-01-18 15 DRUG COURT HEARING MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, ATT BY KURT 

2005-01-18 15 TEIFKE, COURT DIRECTED DEFENDANT MAKE AND KEEP 

2005-01-18 15 APPOINTMENT WITH PUBLIC DEFENDER AND TREATMENT 

2005-01-18 15 PROVIDER, NEXT HEARING SET 01/25/2005 

2005-01-18 16 NOTICE GIVEN TO DEFENDANT IN COURT FOR NEXT COURT DATE 

2005-01-25 17 DRUG COURT HEARING MINUTES: DEFENDANT PRESENT, DEFT MET WITH 

2005-01-25 17 PUBLIC DEFENDER, DEFT SCREENED BY TREATMENT AND DEEMED 

2005-01-25 17 APPROPRIATE FOR DRUG COURT, DEFT DECLINED THE DRUG COURT 

2005-01-25 17 PROGRAM, DEFT WILL FOLLOW TRADITIONAL COURT DOCKET 

2005-02-03 18 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY SHARON FELICIANO 

2005-02-03 18 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE 

2005-02-03 18 CONTINUED TO 09/08/2005 

2005-02-03 18 ADI - LEVEL II 

2005-02-07 19 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (09-08-2005) 

2005-03-03 20 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY SHARON FELICIANO, 

2005-03-03 20 DEFT SWORN, W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD NOLO A/C, ADVISED 

2005-03-03 20 MAX PENALTY 5 YRS DOC &/OR $5000 FINE, PSI WAIVED, 

2005-03-03 20 PLEA ACCEPTED, SENTENCING SET SAME DAY 

2005-03-03 20 ADJUDICATION OF GUILT WITHHELD 

2005-03-03 20 $370.00 COURT COSTS (6 MONTHS TO PAY) 

2005-03-03 20 ADI PROGRAM - LEVEL II 

2005-09-08 21 CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION OF ADI LEVEL II PROGRAM 

2005-09-08 21 $370.00 COURT COST PAID 

2005-11-14 22 $370.00 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE 



Here are the Sarasota ones, the one that you have to actually go down to see the evidence reports:

http://courtweb.co.sarasota.fl.us/crimapp/crimbrowse.asp?pg=1



Charges:
Statute Code General Offense Character Statute Description Disposition Date Disposition
893.13(6A) Principal DRUGS POSSESS-CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION 10/18/2005 Dropped/Abandoned
893.13(6A) Principal DRUGS POSSESS-CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION 10/18/2005 Dropped/Abandoned
893.147(1) Principal NARCOTIC EQUIP POSSESS-AND OR USE 10/18/2005 Dropped/Abandoned
741.31 Principal VIOL INJUNCTION PROTECTION DOMESTIC VIOLENCE 10/18/2005 Dropped/Abandoned
499.03 Principal DRUGS-POSSESS NEW LEGEND DRUG WO PRESCRIPTION 10/18/2005 Dropped/Abandoned


Docket Information:
Date Description Pages Image
10/27/2005 COURT EVENT CANCELLED The following event: CRIMINAL - ARRAIGNMENT FELONY scheduled for 11/04/2005 at 9:00 am has been resulted as follows: Result: CANCELLED (Criminal) 0 None
10/27/2005 Payment of Court Cost 0 None
10/19/2005 ARREST BOND RECORD CREATED Ref: Bond/Pwr No.: 2005AA079210 Initial Charge #: 1 Initial Action Code: POSSESSION OF A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE(MORPHINE) Prosecutor Count #: 1 Prosecutor Action Code: POSSESSION OF A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE(MORPHINE) Bonding Co.: AA LARAZA BAIL BONDS Bond Amount: $5000 The following field(s) on arrest bond 1 have been modified: New Bond Status Added: BOND RELEASED New Bond Status Date Added: 10/18/2005  0 None
10/18/2005 NOTICE OF CASE DISPOSITION/ACTION-DECLINED 1 Image
10/5/2005 ARREST BOND RECORD CREATED Arrest Bond Added to Case with: Arrest Date: 09/26/2005 Initial Charge #: 1 Initial Action Code: POSSESSION OF A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE(MORPHINE) Prosecutor Count #: Prosecutor Action Code: Custody Location: Bond Status: Posted Status Date: 09/28/2005 Bond Type: Surety Bond/Pwr No.: 2005AA079210 Bond Amount: $5000 Bonding Co.: AA LARAZA BAIL BONDS Cash Depositor:  0 None
10/3/2005 Court Event Set Event: CRIMINAL - ARRAIGNMENT FELONY Date: 11/04/2005 Time: 9:00 am Judge: ROBERTS, CHARLES E Location: Courtroom 3-A Result: CANCELLED (Criminal) 0 None
9/29/2005 ADVISORY HEARING BOND 2 Image
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 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Your poor dad, he's probably wondering WHY you are asking him all these questions, but I really do appreciate your/his input.....still I am LMAO at that response ::MonkeyTongue::

For all of that to be within his car, the narcotics, the perscription drugs, and the weed, that would be considered the vehicle housing the illegal substances.  Now, since it is not noted anywhere "With the intent to sell" it looks as if the arresting officer was trying to write him up for everything he possibly could at this traffic stop.

Ya, when I said it was research he said "Put your Ma on the phone now"....LOL 
My Ma was like "I don't know she is on the computer".   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Darn Monkeys always gettin me in trouble.   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Gonna have to send her back home if she keeps tattling on me.

Nah, not right now~you need to take it easy remember........anyway your hubs would be circling you if she wasn't there to make sure you aren't overdoing it!

I just wish we could see what is in those Baker County images...... ::MonkeyTongue::

Thanks for the clarification, Dolce. I never did learn my metric equivalences. LOL (Nor am I a drug user/dealer, obviously.) I thought 20 grams might be a lot.  ::MonkeyRoll::

Anyway, I left you another post in the other thread, Dolce ;-)

I had to ask what 20 grams was myself...I was thinking in terms of good old Teddy Grams.. YUMMY!!

I replied to you Brandi...you have created me a wardrobe!!  :)

Good Evening Monkeys. I am so behind on reading...I just skipped about 10 pages in the last thread. I see there is nothing new on Haleigh.

Dolce, your pictures are just beautiful.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

Here is a copy again of the Sheriff's report.  I noticed some things that are discrepancies in Misty's statement.

1.  Misty said they were...'sleeping in her bed'

2,  Woke up before 3AM...'to get  drink'. (nothing mentioned about bathroom)

3.  Ran around residence frantically and noticed 'back door was standing open' (did not specify which back door,inside or screen)

4.  'She was sure the back door had been locked prior to her going to bed'

The items in red are from the Sheriff's report.  Appear to be different than Misty is saying now. 

I don't have the patience to search at the moment because I have lil ones wanting me off the computer, but which way did the dogs track her again?
I Was wondering because there is a house for sale at 111 Tyler St which is only 3 minutes away walking, going by google maps.
Have they checked the empty houses... im sure they have?
Also, any word on where the make shift chair was at exactly?
I guess what Im thinking is it may be possible for someone hiding out in a house for sale behind Ronalds home, and possibly creating the make shift chair between the vacant house and ronalds house to keep a close eye on habits?

I thought that the Anthony family was the most messed up family on the planet....that is until I saw Haleigh's people....Wow. You just can't make up this stuff. I so hope that she is found alive and taken away from them and is able to have a wonderful, safe and happy life.
Dolce, I am glad you are okay. I totally understand about the licorice!! Your avitar pictures are absolutely beautiful. Thank you so much for sharing your journey into motherhood with us.

I found this on Topix:

Judged:
 1
Also, there seems to be a witness that place Bandit pumping gas at 2:00am and then the neighbors reporting a woman in distress between 2-2:30am and confirms police were not called or there yet.

So who was there Before Bandit made it home Or was Bandit home 45min to an hour before calling 911?

LE has picked up on their spouting chit, you can guarantee that. They also are patient as heck.

I wanted to add to Smokey, she feels Safe with Ron and will follow his leads. If you notice, when she gets out of line, Bandit shows his control by walking right by her or in front of her like she isn't there, Smokey scuttles after him like a bunny rabbit.


I had read something about him being seen at the store/gas station before and just wondering if anyone has any knowledge/info on this?

5.  Sheriff's office iniated a track beginning at the back/side door of the residence...... as we traveled down a wooded path,

'what appeared to be a small child's footprint in dirt'.

Sorry hit post, before I was done.

I don't think Misty has told the same story twice this whole month.

I also noticed Ron said he was at work at least 5 times on the Today Show. He really is making sure everyone knows he works.

I posted the Sheriff's report above, you can read the track that they followed in the report.

Did they make the newly-wed love-birds move their tent? If the authorities are citing codes – something about permits and campgrounds, does that mean that they're becoming disenchanted with the Cummings clan?

The pastor doesn't sound like a BFF fan of two weeks ago, per the  refusal to perform the marriage. They could have said that their church schedule didn't permit performing the marriage at this time, but they didn't. The reason given per email was that the church, "...did not agree with the union."

Ouch.

That is all.

MOO   :-)

Yes, my last post of the night to you there has also Just now been posted. LOL

Sorry for the O/T, folks.

I noticed she has a entire new story, IIRC on the today show, she got up to use the bathroom and noticed the light on and then the back door open so she goes into the room to get the phone and call Ron and THEN she realizes Haleigh is missing, also she said he arrived home right at the moment she was calling him which according to her was 3am, so either he got off work earlier than 3 and they both took 27 minutes to call 911 ::MonkeyConfused::

John O’Connor Interviews Crystal Sheffield

http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/03/11/john-oconnor-interviews-crystal-sheffield/

'I passed the polygraph'

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/02/24/ng.mom.polygraph.cnn

I agree totally, especially considering his pastor has had his back it seemed until now...then the church email and disclaimer makes you go hmmmmm.

I noticed it sounded rehearsed.

BUt, I guess she needs to get ONE story down pat and tell it the same way from now on.

 ::MonkeyEek::

maybe they waited even longer if he was off work at 2 am getting gas.

That;s one thing that ticks me off, CNN has screwed up reporting so many times!!! I knew I never heard her say "I passed", she said she thought she did and it had to be sent off to Washington............they were also the ones that were reporting that when the LE came to get her DNA that she fled ::MonkeyNoNo::

I know you guys discussed what was missing of Haleigh's last night...but wanted to add that the nebulizer is heavy, plus you have to have the little ampules of meds to go in it or it isn't any good to her.

Eyes for Lies:The Human Lie Detector Blog

http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/03/my-thoughts-about-tattoo.html (http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/03/my-thoughts-about-tattoo.html)

"My Thoughts About the Tattoo"
 excerpt Pt 1 below
"The first thing I did when I saw that Ronald Cummings had a tattoo of Haleigh on his leg was put myself in the shoes of an innocent parent, whose child was truly abducted, and I thought about how I would feel. Then I thought about the tattoo.

The tattoo gave me a horrible feeling.

If my daughter was missing, I would not want to memorialize this horrible tragedy on my leg, should she still be alive and come home, which is a thought I would desperately cling to until I had no other option.

If my daughter came home, I would never want to be reminded of the horror that I endured all those weeks not knowing where she was, but worse and more importantly, of the potential pain and suffering my daughter would have had to endure at the hands of a sick stranger for all those weeks.

If my daughter come home safe and sound, I would want to forget this nightmare. Forever. I would not want to have horrific memories memorialized on my leg in a tattoo, especially if it could become an emotional "trigger" for my daughter of her nightmarish experience. I would never want to give a predator such power, either. I would want fresh beginnings and a new start, but a tattoo would rob me of that.

Of course, Cummings would likely argue that he got the tattoo as a sign of love and devotion to his daughter. We can't say anything conclusive by his behavior here, but it is unusual, to say the least."

Especially since LE has now stated that she has NOT been cleared as a supect, and that her timeline is inconsistent and that she "holds the key" to all this........

I put a few words in red of your post.  These were not even mentioned in the original Sheriff's report. 

How many chapters has Misty given now to this missing child??

It is no wonder the Sheriff's office says there are discrepancies. 

Eyes for Lies:The Human Lie Detector Blog

http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/03/my-thoughts-about-tattoo.html (http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/03/my-thoughts-about-tattoo.html)

"My Thoughts About the Tattoo - pt 2"
 
excerpt Pt 2 below

Most parents of missing children find secondary things, such as unnecessary salon visits and self-pampering, are not a top priority in times of crisis like this. Finding their missing children takes top priority, even four weeks later.

It brings me back to the day I saw Cumming's mother, Teresa Neves, on TV saying that Cummings didn't go out and search on that particular day because "no one came and got him."

I was just appalled by that, as if it is the responsibility of other people to motivate Cummings to search.

He is the father who should care the most, and be the most driven to organize, plan and continually work to find his daughter, but he continually shows us he is not.

If I were in his shoes, there would always be a task I could do to keep my daughter's face front and center in the public's eye, if I was not searching.

Cumming also doesn't appear to look at the media as a tool, which I find perplexing. Innocent people who are victims of crime and are looking for a missing loved one usually see the media as a means to an end.

They may not like the media, but use them as a tool. Instead, here, Cummings actually complains he is not being left alone to do what he wants to do! It's just mind boggling.

What sad story this is on multiple levels. I just don't trust Ronald Cummings. "

Right from the beginning their we RED Flags, its all leading back to the home with Fibsty and Ronald... ::MonkeyTongue::

911: "911, what's your emergency"

Misty Croslin: "Hi...umm...we just woke up...and our back door was wide open, and we can't find our daughter."

If Haleigh's nebulizer was not taken with her...If she still has asthma...that is not good. When you have asthma, if you get upset, scared or very nervous, it can trigger the asthma.

Yeah, I'm on a toot.  :-)

http://www.haloscan.com/comments/fredettte/3990604002114009574/ (http://www.haloscan.com/comments/fredettte/3990604002114009574/)

[snip]"...The issue of Cummings' actions, attitude toward the press "bothering" him, speaks volumes, in my mind, as to who is at the center of his thoughts, and it's not his missing child, it's himself.

The tattoo incident is just another example of this man's self-centeredness, in my view.
People don't go to the barber shop or beauty salon, or go buy new clothes when their child goes missing. They might go to a therapist, to a doctor for medications, to a support group, or stop drinking or blame themselves.

But to do something as self-aggrandizing as to go get a tattoo, well, I have no words to describe how egomaniacal that appears to any outsider. "

I know, when I heard it, my eyes were like ::MonkeyEek:: WTF? I lost count on the various stories-just too many to keep up with!

Misty Cummings not cleared as suspect in Haleigh’s disappearance
March 14, 2:20 PM · Add a Comment


A senior sheriff’s official says Haleigh’s new stepmother, Misty, 17, has not been cleared as a suspect in the girl’s disappearance.

According to Palatka Daily News, Maj. Gary Bowling also said Misty’s interview on NBC’s Today Show in which she failed to clear up her inconsistent statements to police is what detectives have encountered for weeks.

“Our interviews with her have been pretty much like what you saw on the Today Show.  We’ve confronted her with her inconsistencies and America got a sample of our interviews with her,” said Bowling.

During the Today Show interview, both Misty and Ronald, 25, claim she was no longer a suspect.  Bowling disputes this assertion and said, “We have not ruled her out as a suspect.”

The newlyweds also stated they both passed polygraph tests, but Bowling said authorities have not yet released the results of their tests.

Thursday, Palatka Daily News attempted to speak with Misty to let her address the issues law enforcement has raised about her statements.

Misty only responded with, “I would really appreciate it if you people would stop calling me.”

The search continues for Haleigh who has blond hair and brown eyes and is 3 feet tall.  Please call the Putnam County Sheriff's Office at 386-329-0800 if you have any information regarding Haleigh Cummings.  A reward for information leading to her safe return has been increased to $35,000.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m3d14-Misty-Cummings-not-cleared-as-suspect-in-Haleighs-disappearance

I thought the same thing, Island Monkey, when I heard Misty didn't like and wouldn't talk to the new cop. I remember the video  when Casey's parents were visiting her and they discussed which cops she should talk to and which ones she shouldn't.  And I agree- Misty maybe not have a high IQ, but I think she is street smart and cunning.

People that are innocent do not 'harp' on the polygraph's...as.... if they are innocent, why bother to keep ....bringing them into the conversation.  No reason whatsoever.  This would be the farthest thing from their minds, as it should not concern them at all.  But this crew continually brings up those polygraph's.

 I just found this on topix

Reply »
|Report Abuse |Judge it! |#7113 Sunday Mar 1
lingo123 wrote:
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Yes, substitute "Haleigh died of a drug overdose while Ron was at work" for "Haleigh died of her injuries while Ron was at work," and you can still arrive at the same conclusion.
Two points I'm still researching to confirm:
(1) A report that there was a flurry of phone calls to Ron from Misty sometime after midnight, while he was at work, and
(2) A report that Ron was spotted on security cameras at a gas station around 2 .m. that night.
Agree points 1 & 2 are important here!

Also if Haleigh sustained some injuries would not have Great Grannie noticed something unusual regarding Haleigh? Then again I'm not sure G Grannys story has been checked out. I would hope in there is ONE reliable individual in this group! 

yup! yup! yup!

What the heck is going on with this family... ::MonkeyTongue::

Granny Spitefull and Mommy Dearest keeps enforcing Fibsty / babaysister/childteenager

is going to be the children's mommy. The children have a mommy..  ::MonkeyTongue::

Hey, JG,... Fibsty good one! heh    ::MonkeyHaHa::

And what innocent 911 caller starts their emergency call with an alibi. Btw, what were Ron Ron's first words again when he got on the phone with 911? Wait.... let me guess.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::    ::MonkeyNoNo::     ::MonkeyNoNo::   

so true and why didnt MoRon make the 911 call??

ITA~ also IMO they have gone from interviewing her to interrogating her (FINALLY), and she gets her panties in a wad....just tell the freaking truth because there could possibly be some clue in the truth that maypoint towards Haleigh ::MonkeyNoNo::

To distance himself from the entire "abduction"......

hey rana

The articles you posted about guilty 911 callers was very helpfull and informative... ::MonkeyTongue::

If those two points are confirmed, we've definitely got a story taking shape.

Ron got the dumb beech to call so later he could reference that and was just a dumb beech and didnt understand... ::MonkeyWink::

You stole bubble gum when you were 2??   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyNoNo::
See, I knew you were not an innocent monkey.. thats why I send the trouble makers to sit with you.
 ::MonkeyDance::

has anyone heard anything about this report?

very interesting........ on to my other point about the gramma's, not looking that way so far ::MonkeyTongue::

Well that is very interesting. o/t I know that the green lines that are appearing under some words is being worked on, but has anyone been knocked off as a guest. I came back twice from shopping, and I thought I got banned, my name was gone, and I was a guest.  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: And then married the dumb beech ::MonkeyConfused::

No but a great possibility..... ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyShocked:: I was 2, NOW I am a sweet lil ole innocent quiet passive monkey ::MonkeyRoll::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

OK, I know I will get the heat for this...but I do need a question answered, if you may.

Did Ron say he was at work the night Haleigh went missing???

iie done that went to post and would not let me... I was like I got ban Then i was thinking outloud for  which quote or pic.... ::MonkeyWink::


hehehe I was logged out... ::MonkeyHaHa::

The bolded part above I haven't heard about yet.  Do we know yet who made these "reports"?  Wish we had a way to know for sure about those supposed flurry of calls!
 

 

algary, that;s one of the theories we've been tossing around alot~then you add in his pastor's comments about Ron not being an OFFICAL informant and it just fuels that theory.........by the way, anyone know what an unofficial informant is??

Brought this over from other thread..

That is where someone rats out their dealer,best friend or even their mother to get a reduced charge/sentence or no charge at all...

(http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/Bob_Self1(1).jpg)

- She is originally from Michigan. She has lived in Florida for about seven years. Croslin has lived in various parts of the state, including Daytona, where she lived with her brother.

- She has lived in Putnam County off and on for about a year. Her parents live here. She said she prefers city life.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090213/ARTICLES/902130293

That makes sense... ::MonkeyTongue::

um, hey,,, I do not know, I was at work !!!

Quote from: Dolce on Today at 06:06:30 PM
Just throwing this out there....but if drugs are the reason for this abduction, I can not see them contacting the cops for help.  Throwing this all over television and the possible exposure would surely sign a death warrant for Haleigh....and possibly other family members as well.

Drugs could very well be the reason for HALEIGH MISSING!!  Maybe they never thought it would turn to this.  Maybe this is the reason that everyone's mouths are clamping shut. 

They needed help to find Haleigh.....which is what they want for sure, but they are not willing to give the...story...which may have resulted in her abduction. 

So they call the cops....and clam up!!!!

The only reason for someone to  keep repeating the same thing over and over (I dont know what happened I was at work) is because they are trying to convince themselves and the other person that they were where they say they were!

Wow, I take a nap and wake up to a new thread!!! You all are some industrious monkeys here!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

OK, to this Topix thread - are they reliable or just shit starters? Do we know? And, IF Misty was doing oxycontin, is it possible she had some stashed away and Haleigh took one thinking it was candy???

 ::MonkeyShocked::  Oh no you didn't..  ::MonkeyLaugh::

In Rons words....    " I don't know, I was at work"     
ha, I know how they can trip him up.... ask what exactly he was doing,as in task, that night at work

Like this...
"Ok Ron, been wondering and all,you know,what at work were you doing that night?any certain task"?

Ron " I don't know, I was at work"
 ::MonkeyConfused::

 ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

If you're into body language etc, this is a must read.  :-)

"Eyes for Lies: The Human Lie Detector Blog"
http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/03/ronald-misty-onthe-today-show.html (http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/03/ronald-misty-onthe-today-show.html)

My Thoughts: Ronald & Misty on The Today Show

excerpt pt 1 (The text in italics is the blogger)
"Meredith Vieira interviewed Ronald Cummings and Misty (nee Croslin) Cummings on The Today Show Friday. The video continues to support my original belief that both Ronald and Misty know more than they are telling us.

Interestingly enough, NBC reporter, Michelle Kosinski, now reports that the police are calling Misty "the key to solving this case." Police are finally publicly acknowledging that there are inconsistencies in Misty's statements.

However, Kosinski also reported that the police "...are satisfied that Ronald doesn't really know what happened to his little girl." I suspect this is a very strategic move by police. It does not discourage my original opinion as I still think Ronald knows more than he is letting on.

I was shocked to see Ronald didn't dress up for his wedding. His responses in this interview and the way he behaved through the whole wedding event, I think are supportive that he had other motives for this marriage than "love".

When I first saw Ronald and Misty in the interview, they did not appear happy or encouraged about being there (i.e. grateful for such an opportunity). I almost felt like they wanted a free trip to New York, and so they decided to do the interview as a means to that end.

Both looked very nervous, and not at all anxious or eager to be there to get the message out. Ronald says he went to New York to renew the focus back on Haleigh, but he had that same opportunity at home as we all know so that is ridiculous.

hmmmm....do you work with Ron??      ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks~that was my post and also my assumption, but she found something on true unofficial informants, but I lean towards yours.

I have had connection problems all day with SM.

I was thinking maybe Dugga was doing some work.

Been annoying, to say the least ;-/

Thanks Brandi, I was just wondering if anyone else was having problems.  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks rana for bringing that over~I have been waiting for her to analyze it since the show......

Thanks, Mioyshi & Searching ~  I know it was such a tough question and knew it would really take some soul searching.

T had problem trying to get on.. Then I seen all those green underlines and I thought a sweet monkey was emphaizing word.... ::MonkeyTongue::

in small towns, that is what I know the unofficial informant to be...  that's why when they get arrested, the LEO will ask them.. "do you wanna talk to me and help yourself out"... I know a few who have been unofficial informants...  :)

I'm to the point that any question asked of Ron w/have the same answer:

"Ron, why did you marry Misty?" Answer: "I don't know - I was at work."
"Ron, do you think Misty knows more than she is saying?' Answer - "I don't know - I was at work."
"Ron, do you know how many kids you really have?" Answer - "I don't know - I was at work."

Can anyone say "broken record" ?????????

I thought that also.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I had problems loggin on.. ::MonkeyTongue::

I wouldn't put much stock into what Lingo123 is saying, I believe they are simply theorizing like the rest of us:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/lingo123.jpg)

I was going over missing children's news and came across two articles that I found very interesting and wanted to bring them to the attention of all the monkeys that are trying to solve the mystery of the disappearance of Haleigh Marie Cummings.

I wonder if there is a septic tank on the property where the mobile home is located (most of the mobile home parks use septic systems)?

This happened just last month in Texas:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/021809dnmetamber.284ab33d.html

and then, two years ago, in Montana:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,247258,00.html

Don't know if that was checked out by LE (I understand the search was INSIDE the mobile home, and the only outside part was the propped open door.  If Haleigh was carried to the drain/vent, then there would be no scent of Haleigh for the dogs to work from. 

Hey, leave my soul outta this and in one piece, I'm getting ready to sell it to the devil for some info in this case..

..how much you think Cin will give me for it.   ::MonkeyTongue::

"Eyes for Lies: The Human Lie Detector Blog"
http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/03/ronald-misty-onthe-today-show.html (http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/03/ronald-misty-onthe-today-show.html)
 
Pt 2 : My Thoughts: Ronald & Misty on The Today Show
 except pt 2 (text by blogger is in  italics)

"Here are my thoughts on the interview with Ronald and Misty:
______________________________________________________

Vieira: ...so why did you want to come here today? What are
you hoping to accomplish, Ronald, today?

Ronald: Uh... to get the focus back on my daughter's missing (smirk). My five-year-old girl is gone, and I want to find her.

"What is fascinating about this is it's the first time I am seeing what appears to be delight in Ronald. In this statement, his face shows a very positive emotion. I am wondering if this is the first time he has heard that he is not being looked at by police, and that is giving him joy, but if that was the case, I would also expect to see a sense of "relief" which I do not. I just see a sense of joy. Why is Ronald feeling joy?"

Vieira: Have they said anything to you about any possible
leads at all?

Ronald: (curls his lower lip down and very slightly out, shakes his head no, and looks down, which is a sign of withdrawal--that doesn't want to talk about it.)

Vieira: Nothing.

"I don't believe Ronald here for an instant. He knows more than he is letting on. I suspect the police have told him some things that Ronald doesn't want to share with us. Perhaps it is that they are looking at Misty closer? Notice the "smirks" disappeared here? That question didn't make Ronald very happy. Why?

Vieira then goes on to discuss how Ronald, Jr. talked about a man dressed in black taking Haleigh, and she asks Misty if Ronald, Jr. told either one of them about this. Misty says "umm-um, nope", and Ronald responds:"

Ronald: Me, neither (slight smirk). I think this is some of the garbage that Geraldo and Crystal, the mother, has made up, but I'm just going to leave that at that.

"Notice how Ronald lights up when he talks about this? He is
working overtime to conceal his delight here. He almost is gritting his teeth to hold it back! I suspect he has really bad feelings towards Crystal right now and just get joy out of hitting back at her, too. Clearly, he is becoming more smug--almost arrogant." 

Vieira: Oh, so you don't even believe that Ronald Jr. even said this at all?

Ronald: (Classic shoulder shrug, lip curl) I don't know.(Notice he is smirking!). I wasn't at home. I was at work (he's gloating!), (shoulder shrug) I can't tell you,  honestly.

Rana~I thought I'd bring over the entire eyes for lies post as she hits dead on with what the monkeys have noticed ourselves and gone over and over:

Saturday, March 14, 2009
My Thoughts: Ronald & Misty on The Today Show
Meredith Vieira interviewed Ronald Cummings and Misty (nee Croslin) Cummings on The Today Show Friday. The video continues to support my original belief that both Ronald and Misty know more than they are telling us.

Read moreInterestingly enough, NBC reporter, Michelle Kosinski, now reports that the police are calling Misty "the key to solving this case." Police are finally publicly acknowledging that there are inconsistencies in Misty's statements. However, Kosinski also reported that the police "...are satisfied that Ronald doesn't really know what happened to his little girl." I suspect this is a very strategic move by police. It does not discourage my original opinion as I still think Ronald knows more than he is letting on.

I was shocked to see Ronald didn't dress up for his wedding. His responses in this interview and the way he behaved through the whole wedding event, I think are supportive that he had other motives for this marriage than "love".

When I first saw Ronald and Misty in the interview, they did not appear happy or encouraged about being there (i.e. grateful for such an opportunity). I almost felt like they wanted a free trip to New York, and so they decided to do the interview as a means to that end. Both looked very nervous, and not at all anxious or eager to be there to get the message out. Ronald says he went to New York to renew the focus back on Haleigh, but he had that same opportunity at home as we all know so that is ridiculous.

Here are my thoughts on the interview with Ronald and Misty:

Vieira: ...so why did you want to come here today? What are you hoping to accomplish, Ronald, today?

Ronald: Uh... to get the focus back on my daughter's missing (smirk). My five-year-old girl is gone, and I want to find her.
What is fascinating about this is it's the first time I am seeing what appears to be delight in Ronald. In this statement, his face shows a very positive emotion. I am wondering if this is the first time he has heard that he is not being looked at by police, and that is giving him joy, but if that was the case, I would also expect to see a sense of "relief" which I do not. I just see a sense of joy. Why is Ronald feeling joy?

Vieira: Have they said anything to you about any possible leads at all?

Ronald: (curls his lower lip down and very slightly out, shakes his head no, and looks down, which is a sign of withdrawal--that doesn't want to talk about it.)

Vieira: Nothing.


I don't believe Ronald here for an instant. He knows more than he is letting on. I suspect the police have told him some things that Ronald doesn't want to share with us. Perhaps it is that they are looking at Misty closer? Notice the "smirks" disappeared here? That question didn't make Ronald very happy. Why?

Vieira then goes on to discuss how Ronald, Jr. talked about a man dressed in black taking Haleigh, and she asks Misty if Ronald, Jr. told either one of them about this. Misty says "umm-um, nope", and Ronald responds:

Ronald: Me, neither (slight smirk). I think this is some of the garbage that Geraldo and Crystal, the mother, has made up, but I'm just going to leave that at that.
Notice how Ronald lights up when he talks about this? He is working overtime to conceal his delight here. He almost is gritting his teeth to hold it back! I suspect he has really bad feelings towards Crystal right now and just get joy out of hitting back at her, too. Clearly, he is becoming more smug--almost arrogant.

Vieira: Oh, so you don't even believe that Ronald Jr. even said this at all?

Ronald: (Classic shoulder shrug, lip curl) I don't know. (Notice he is smirking!). I wasn't at home. I was at work (he's gloating!), (shoulder shrug) I can't tell you, honestly.

I don't believe Ronald here for a second! Ronald is exceptionally smug in this video. He has an arrogance about him that is palpable. One indication of Ronald's arrogance here is how he cocks his head backward and looks down his nose at Vieira. Does he think he is fooling the world right now, or what?

Throughout much of the interview, Ronald has a very nervous energy about him. Notice how he wiggles his leg? I get the sense he really wants to say so much more. Ronald, I suspect, if he could tell us his true thoughts, would tell you he feels like he is in a vice.

Do you notice Misty is biting her lip? It's an indication she is very nervous. She's tense and scared. I suspect her heart is really pounding in her chest.

Ronald looks very intently at Vieira at times in this interview. If I were Vieira, I would find his looks threatening. They actually get my heart pounding. He then licks his lips, and I just get this feeling he is very volatile or could explode at any second. Misty licks her lips as well, but I don't feel threatened by her. I feel she is very nervous and uncomfortable. Two different emotions from these two people who both lick their lips.

Vieira then asks Misty why she stopped talking to investigators earlier this week, and Misty tells us the investigator was being very rude to her, and she wasn't comfortable talking to him. I believe she is being dead honest here. She gets quite confident when she says this, which we have rarely seen Misty do. Misty is usually very timid because she is feeling insecure about the things she has been telling us. Notice how her words flow here, how she doesn't have to think about what she is talking about here? This is Misty when she is honest and sincere with us.

Do you see Ronald do his infamous "under-eye" watch of Misty when she talks? This shows exceptionally controlling behavior on behalf of Ronald. He is dying to look at Misty and give her a look, or a message that he doesn't approve of what she is saying, but he doesn't dare do it. He continues to restrain himself.

Vieira to Misty: So he was accusing you of lying to him?

Misty: Yeah.

Ronald: After passing the polygraph (smiling).

Vieira: I think part of the problem is there have been a certain number of inconsistencies, or what's perceived to be inconsistencies, because you first said that Haleigh was in bed with you, then you said she was on the mattress next to you. This is an opportunity to clarify. You've had time to think through what happened that night. Can you walk us through it, one more time, your best recollection of what happened the night Haleigh disappeared?
When Misty gives her response, you can clearly see her thinking as she talks about it. Notice how different her behavior is here, compared to when she was telling us the truth above? Her words do not flow naturally here whereas above, they did.

Vieira: Help me out, Misty. Why were there inconsistencies? Why did you say one thing, one time, and one time, the other?

Misty: (Notice how she purses her lips?) Ummm..... (Notice how she shakes her head to suggest she is thinking "I don't know"? Notice how she looks to Ron for an answer, and then she looks down?) I don't know (she shrugs her shoulders simultaneously).

When Misty looks to Ron during the interview segment above for help, it is fascinating because it is strongly suggestive for us that Ronald is the one who is the decision maker of the two of them--the one who is in charge in their relationship. Misty looks to Ronald for answers.

During this segment, Ronald also looks down and is very intense. His behavior is indicative of withdrawal. When two people are in cahoots, and one says something the other doesn't agree with, one will often withdrawal by looking down and ceasing all communication. It's a powerful message of disapproval, which further supports he is the controlling one of the two of them, however, Misty totally misses it.

Why is Ronald so controlling over this situation if, (a) they are telling the truth, (b) he is innocent? It is flat out inconsistent! If they were honest and truthful, he would have no reason to worry about Misty, but he clearly does!

Vieira: Then yesterday you guys got married, Ronald. Why was that an important thing for you to do?

Ronald: I don't know. I think my little girl would have wanted it. I would have rather her to have been there so obviously when we get her back (smirk), we will....do...a much larger, better way (super slight smirk), but we're just...that's just still (smirking) taking the focus off of (smiling) Haleigh (smile continues). We need to be focused on Haleigh (smile ceases abruptly) and not what I am focused on in my personal life.
Notice Misty keeps licking her lips? I wonder if because she is nervous, she is breathing more, and it is drying out her lips.

This segment is very telling about why Ronald married. If Misty was the reason, I would think he would talk about her first, but he doesn't. It's a strong indication there were other motives that Ronald doesn't want to talk about.

I think we are seeing classic duper's delight at this point when Cummings is talking about having a much better wedding when Haleigh returns. As soon as he thinks about himself again, his emotion change because he is frustrated that his privacy is invaded.

Vieira: Is there anything else you would like to say in case somebody is out there who might know something?

Ronald: Ummm.... if you (smirking) know something (looking up thinking), please call the crime stoppers....or....the....any local sheriffs office...and....if my little girl is watching, baby, I love you.
Do you notice how Ron has to think to do what is important for his daughter? It's mind blowing! Notice how he doesn't talk to the camera, that he only glances at it? This is indicative that he doesn't believe she is out there listening. He also has no genuine inflection in his voice. He is monotone every time he talks to Haleigh. Why does he smirk again?

Vieira: And Misty as you sit here, do you believe in your heart that they see you as a suspect?

Misty: (very smug, perhaps a form of denial) No, I don't (notice the brief head swagger?)

Ronald: I don't either (smirking). I talked to the lead detective. His name is John Merchant.

Vieira: And he said?

Ronald: (smirking) Nope, he doesn't think that she is a suspect.
Ronald is arrogant in this interview, and feels a sense of joy, which I suspect is duper's delight. Is that because he doesn't believe the police are on to him now, and that he is getting away with it?

I do think Misty is the "key" to solving this case because she depends heavily on Ronald, and Ronald is very volatile, if you want my opinion. If Ronald were to be put under more pressure, he could very likely become unpredictable and even dangerous, and police may know that, so hence Misty is their best shot at getting to the truth, if they can't find Haleigh on their own.

Klaasend, thanks for this. I think it speaks Volumes!!

I would think that the MH has it's own septic tank yes... That is a very possible theory....

Good possibility.. Have they check the Cummings family homes and  yard out?

If I understand correctly Haleigh had asthma right?  My son had asthma at her age also and it was very scary.  I would have to take him into the emergency room so they could put him on that machine.  Once he went through that he was o.k.  But they never let me have a machine at home.  Later on they had to give him an inhaler.  Doctor showed him how and when to use it.  But the doctor also told me to keep it locked up from  him and only let him use it when he had an attack.  She said too  much medication like that can cause heart problems and they can die from it.  So I was very careful with him using the inhaler.

Could this be as simple (I know not a good word here) as Misty overdid the medication and heart stopped? 

Would explain her actions.  It would not explain why she would dispose of her and not report it as accidental though. 

Just thinking out loud here.

Very true HH!  Yeppers, very true. 

not sure if this was post before.


Sykes says the couple was married by a notary public with only close family members present. She says the location of the ceremony was finalized late Wednesday night.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=133610&catid=3

Thanks for posting that eyes for lies from the Today Show, I agree with this person, to me it is very accurate, at least for me and my interpretation of the show.  ::MonkeyEek::

well, I can not vouch for sure as to where rc was,  even though he has done his best to convince us all he was at work,,,but, from reading the arrest reports, and the drugs involved, I can say it is probable that rc snitched on who ever they were getting their pills from.
 And morphine, yikes, they do some heavy stuff, makes since to me now, why mistys fingers are so brown, and the three day binge, not from drinking, but, those pills and that meth will take time from them, and their life.   

Mioyshi, I never noticed Misty's fingers being brown, what drug would cause that, I don't understand.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Ronald is making himself look suspicious by saying this one phrase over and over, you know kinda like when a child does something but lies about it, he will   just keep on and on talking about the same thing trying to convince you that he is telling the truth, its a dead giveaway, remember Im a juvenile counselor and this is something we learn early on, the hit pig squeals the loundest!!!!!!

Good Night Sweet Monkeys.... ::MonkeyCool::

Yes!!  And very often, the one who got hit and is squealing the loudest is the one who started it in the first place. 

Yes, over and over and over and over... :smt101  And no heat from this quarter btw.  :2rofl:

Not to mention getting married and going to NYC to be on the Today show.
TN says they needed something to make them happy, this has all been so hard on them, so getting married would create a little diversion for them in this situation. (paraphrased)
Ok, most fathers wouldn't be worried about being happy... having their daughter back home would make them happy... not marrying the "dumb b%%&$" who let her get "stole." (His words.)

Good Night, I think I'll go also, been a long day.

anyone can be an "unofficial informant" and "cooperative witness." Every person you contact is a potential gang informant. Kids, moms, girlfriends, the local letter carrier, and especially the nosy old lady down the street have all witnessed gang crimes in progress. They hold the solution to many crimes. Treat them that way.

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:S14WSIapOEIJ:www.policemag.com/Articles/2007/07/Investigating-Gangs-Outside-the-Gang-Squad.aspx+unofficial+informant+gang&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

hey has anyone tried this,  lets look in a high school year book when either Ronald or Mistie was in school, get some names of their classmates and go see if any of them have a my space, if they do and its public some are bound to be talking about this case, it would be interesting to see what they are saying about it, they would know them personally and would probably give some insights into this case.

Hey  how come some of our words have green lines underneith them when we didnt put them there?

Good thought, except did either go to high school long enough to be in their year book?? ::MonkeyConfused::

I like the way you think, Ron will have a year book, but Misty hasn't been in school for years. I can just imagine what people are saying.  ::MonkeyEek::

the meth causes the fingers to get brown, because they put a pill in something to heat, or make it a liquid. Then they use needles, to shoot the pills, or meth, whichever they are privi too at the moment. The burning, or melting, causes the fingers to stain. I noticed it when they were showing off her ring.

My neighborhood is filled with meth heads.  they cook the stuff, it lingers in these trees, and we have even gotten sick from the cooking smell. They use it, sell it, then run out, and fight, It makes them mad when they run out.

Here, they cook it in the woods, using propane, and most are very explosive. The guys who are cooking it will check on their stuff cooking in the woods at least 2 times a day. I watch them.  My nearest neighbors house, they cook meth. Everyone knows, and no one will do anything about it.  I have seen 5 ambulances go there in last 5 yrs, for 5 overdoses. Not one person was ever arrested.

They use 4 wheelers to go into the woods, and they put flags up on 4 wheelers driving through the town, telling everyone the batch is done. WE have watched, and kept our distance from these people, But, they are all alike. The drug controls them.

Satsuma is a wooded area, just like here, and I see the mentality similar, lack of education, and not much chance of getting out of the crab bucket for most. I know a child here, his mom is a meth head. This boy knows every drug dealer in the town. He knows how to tie his arm off if he used a needle. And he knows this  by watching his mother.
The meth heads like to trade pills for weed. It is a racket for sure. and a shame for all involved. 

well I hope they went at least a couple af days....lol

Yep... about 4 dozen times so far.

Mioyshi, thanks for that info, I have to say I'm sitting here shocked. I am not familiar at all with meth, only somethings I've seen on some detective shows I watch. It is hard to understand how one lives like that being so addicted, I just don't get it, never will.  ::MonkeyEek::

Being a heavy smoker can also turn the fingers brown..Nicotine stains

GREAT, IM, thanks.  :-) You beat me to it. My pc went wonky again. WTH?

Anyway, I wanted  -- and had definitely intended -- to post the whole thing b/c to me it is absolutely CHILLING in its entirety and spot on. YIKES.

MOO :-)

there were some of those fools here cooking meth in the trunk of their car......it blew up on the busiest street in town

Good night, you two!

As always, been a pleasure posting with you!

Are septic tanks made that way in Fla.? Ours are different here in S.C.

I also wonder if, along those same lines, maybe she had an attack while Misty was out running around with friends (I'm still convinced she wasn't in the home for several hours that night) and as a result, poor Haleigh had nobody there to give her the medication she needed.   She could have had a severe enough attack that it killed her.

yes, I had to read Mioyshi's post to my husband.

Shocking.

Thanks for the insight.

Mines not and neither are any of my families, they only have a small pipe that goes into the drain for the septic tank, not big enough for a child, only way to dispose of a child in a septic tank here you would have to dig down to the big opening!

Yeah, No Rose, me too; this person is interesting and generally says what I'm thinking almost exactly... from what I've read so far -and that's most of the Haleigh case entries. 

She doesn't have lofty claims that she is "never" wrong. (She just hasn't been so far heh) And she doesn't wait until after the fact to say what she thinks (shades of one, Mr. L. Pa-DILL-ah who shares his bombshells after they happen  - duh. Even *I* can do that hehehe)

(Well, I predict Obama's gonna win.)

(Oh really? Cos he already did; BOMBSHELL! except not.)    :-)

I agree, I myself am shocked at what I see, and more shocked that we can not do anything about it , as it is so wide spread here.  I had no idea what went on in the woods till I left Orlando, but, I must say, I have been educated on the happenings of the major drug dealers.

The most important thing I have learned, is that if you narc on them, you will come up missing or thrown in the river for gator bait.  I once gave a ride to a woman and her young girl, taking them home per their instructions , it was in our neighborhood.
 We did not really know her, but it was hot, and the child looked like they had been walking a while. So, when we drove up the hidden drive way, a man walked from the trees,, holding an ak rifle, he came to the car, and said to us, " who the f*** are you?"  Turned out, it was her ex, and he had visitasion that weekend.

Well, needless to say, I do not give anyone a ride anymore, not even if they jump out in front of the car. I lock the door, and go about my business.  Sitting in our one and only grocery store parking lot, it looks like every man on americas most wanted is going in there for beer and bologona !! smiles, mio

I know here in S.C. mine has a huge slab of cement over the top and about 12in of dirt and grass. Can always tell where it and the drain lines are...the grass is always greener. The slab is as big as the tank and they use a backhoe to lift it.

this poor baby never had a chance......so many things could have happened

So very true. For him to keep repeating that phrase, it's like he's overdoing his alibi. And that answer was inappropriate when Meredith asked him if he didn't believe Jr. told that to his mother about the man in black. He wasn't at work when Jr. told Crystal, so that answer was not necessary, he could have just said he didn't know. Period.
I am not a counselor, but I've dealt with enough teenagers as well as lying adults to know that if a person keeps on repeating something as an excuse or an alibi, it's probably not the truth.

since that trailor is near the river, they probally have to have a proper septic. Means, it is a cement box of sorts, with a cement lid. Then, there are pipes leading out of the cement box, allowing the matter to drain and disolve.

one would have to dig the top , in order to put a child in there. That would most certainly show on the earth. the tanks are normally about 2 feet underground.

But, if the land has been grandfathered in, there could be just a 55 gallon drum put in there for septic.  Now, environmentalist here have made it so if you are near or on the rivers, septic tanks are under strict code enforcements, unless grandfathered in by time.

In this video Misty's eyes are very dilated

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18700882/index.html

one day, my same neighbors, all came running out of their house, and then we hear this explosion, and black smoke billowed from their house.  ANd then, they also like to use small travel trailors, and make that meth in or near the camp grounds.
yikes, I hope no one from my town reads this site...I should not be telling all their secrets.
It might make them have to go somewhere else to cook !!

It's some stuff that Dugga was testing out tonight.  He said he'll be turning if off tonight.  It was just a test.  I told him I didn't like it.

Thank You Klaas, I was just wondering if I did something to my settings...

my point exactly.. The drug messes with their mind so much, they really are not aware of all their doings.  She also lived in daytona beach, another bad drug area. It all just makes me shake my head, as I dont get how they do it, or get away with it, but they do.
I just wish they would stop breeding, and give these children a chance at life.

I agree... get rid of the green lines.

About a septic tank. Don't know how it is there, but here, if it is within the city limits, they won't let you use one, you are hooked into the city water and sewer system. 
According to someone who is local there, this is not a trailer park, it is a nice community where a lot of retired people live, and with mobile homes that are permanently fixed to the ground. So there might be a city water and sewer system, rather than septic tanks. 

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LMAO! Good one!
I don't think they'll be making a trip down to the station unless LE wants them there.(based solely on a hunch) They already knew LE didn't tell them they passed and I can pretty much bet they knew that Misty, at least, is a suspect, and yet they claimed otherwise to convince the public and media they weren't suspects.
Last thing they want to do is go complaining to LE that they got caught lieing to everyone.
I'm still waiting for this video Amsterdampictures at youtube is supposed to be putting together. He is the owner of the Aces and Eights tattoo shop and says he has a number of camera's in the shop and has video of the whole 6 hours Ron and Misty were there that he is putting together to publish.
Considering his opinion of Ron after that day, I have a feeling that video is going to change a lot of minds, especially the "poor Ron" crowd.
Have you talked to Doc yet? Owner of Aces and Eights. He's a real nice guy, give a call, & he will tell some sh*t. Ron offered him drugs!!!& said, "I have a bag (pot)in my pocket & I can't touch it, because Family & Children is on my as*!!!! I can't wait until all this sh*t is over, so I can burn one." end of Ron's quote.. Doc will be more than Happy to talk on the phone with people, as long as your not being nice towards Ron,lol...I meet Doc (Amsterdampictures) on Youtube & he gave me his phone # & email address. He talk to me for about a hour on the phone, & wow he told me some sh*t about Ron & Misty.



I wonder if this guy is telling the truth, or just saying crap,  I think I want to talk to him, whats up Doc!!!!!!!!!

http://www.nida.nih.gov/InfoFacts/methamphetamine.html

Oh gosh HH....what time are you calling???Be sure to let us know. I do hope if he has all he is spouting off about he has turned it over to LE

Snipped from link I posted..

What Other Adverse Effects Does Methamphetamine Have on Health?

Taking even small amounts of methamphetamine can result in increased wakefulness, increased physical activity, decreased appetite, increased respiration, rapid heart rate, irregular heartbeat, increased blood pressure, and hyperthermia.

Long-term methamphetamine abuse has many negative consequences, including extreme weight loss, severe dental problems, anxiety, confusion, insomnia, mood disturbances, and violent behavior. Chronic methamphetamine abusers can also display a number of psychotic features, including paranoia, visual and auditory hallucinations, and delusions (for example, the sensation of insects creeping under the skin).

Flossy, could be either one.  That girl is very very immature and she is a child herself so I would NOT leave her in charge of my asthmatic child for a second.  Asthma is a very dangerous thing if not treated properly.  I had a teacher to call me at work and she was very upset because my son was having an attack and I had to calm her down first and then walk her through calming him down so he could relax his breathing.  I had warned them and told them what to do (1st off call me so I can get him to the doctor) but this teacher went off the deep end and panicked.  So if Misty wasn't there to begin with could be HL had an attack and couldn't get her med's.

a lot of the meth heads have sores, especially on their face.  the drug crystallizes in the body and works its way out of the skin

Have you read any of Amersterdampictures post? Not happy with Ron and wifey at all, I saw the post he left about having 6 video cameras than were running, but never knew if he hadtapes or not, also after that tattoo, the people inside Aces & Eights told the reporter that all Ron talked about was the money he was getting and not Haleigh.........

Please correct me if I am wrong, but didn't someone (FLmom - I think) also say you lose your teeth due to meth use and used Mother Croslin as a perfect example?? I have to say that I feel sorry for Misty. I doubt she was raised in a good, functional home. Seems like her entire family suffers from drug abuse and ignorance. And I agree with others here that have said she looks at Ron as a stable influence in her life. Poor kid. She has no clue what she is up against.

 A report that there was a flurry of phone calls to Ron from Misty sometime after midnight, while he was at work, and
(2) A report that Ron was spotted on security cameras at a gas station around 2 .m. that night

I am sure the police have gotten the cell phone records. And I would think they have checked out all the rumors such as 2. above.  Wouldn't you think?

Is there a link for that report???

No, you are correct, it was FLmom and misty's mom she was talking about.


SOOOOOO O/T...... ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: Tonight on Geraldo Dr. Baden was talking about the Anna Nicole Smith case, and Baden let is slip that cloroform WAS found in Caylee's hair.....bet he get's his @ss kicked fromm Linda tonight ::MonkeyTongue::

Yah, just rumor plus also heard LE has video of RC at work and know he was there his entire shift.

The most important thing I have learned, is that if you narc on them, you will come up missing or thrown in the river for gator bait  This is precisely the point I tried to make in an earlier post.  The drug people take care of their own problems within their groups just as gangs do.  If Ron had done a dirty deed to another drug person and they took Haleigh Ron would go after them himself.  He would not call the police.  And vice versa.  They would not take Haleigh they would kill Ron.

for the life of me I just cannot figure out wth Misty is talking about when she says

her blanket and my blanket, my blanket was in the van they took


who is "they" and why was mistys blanket in the van?

OMG that bitch Casey.  She should burn in hell. I wish they would put her in general population and let them have at her. IMO

Agreed, it would save the state of Florida millions of dollars......sorry to post it here also, but so many follow both cases I risked it....I also put it over in the Caylee thread,

you are right....they come after who did them wrong, not their children.  so, puts us right back to rc and misty for answers as to where Heileigh is.  If rc did the deed, he would certainly want us to believe some other person took her. I still feel le should take another crack at rc..

I keep getting a vibe that Ron killed HL by accident and put her in his car, then dumped her on the job site, maybe even crushed her w/a barge. Those barges weigh about two tons. Sorry for the sickening thought, but this scenario keeps running thru my brain.

Responded!!  Now, I just need a "walk-in closet" here at SM and I will be set!

Funniest post I have read all night, hands down!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Uh why are we suppose to take this eyesforlies person seriously? I mean I watched the interview and have watched the utube version x3 and I don't see what she sees.

I mean eflies has no credentials other than a self proclaimed blog stating she is physic but no education or degree in anything. Why is she considered such an expert that I should take seriously.

No, he ABSOLUTELY did not say that, not once, not twice, but a bajillion times!!

 ::MonkeyTongue:: I try, honest.........being timid is not my strongest point I must admit. ::MonkeyWink::

Did you see my post about Dr. Baden and Cayelee ::MonkeyShocked::

I wish I had his phone number, I would just ask him one question, where were you that night, ......lol

From what I understand his where-abouts were confirmed by his work and by LE.  How they went about confirming it and if it is air air tight, I am not surtain.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/TinyHouseGoodnight2.gif)

Not yet, I was interrogated about my drug interactions for the past 3 hours.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Sweet dreams!  See you tomorrow.

If she was packing and repacking her bong or pipe.  The fingers get brown and tarred.  Roomy in college would leave horrid marks on the walls...stupid UF baseball players!!

No one is telling you how you have to see it, we just put it out there......she nails my feeling spot on and not only in this "review" of their actions, but in prior ones~I see exactly what she see.......never heard that she states she is a psychic (I'll go look).

Also, you don't need a degree to be able to read peoples lies, even the cops don't believe Misty and stated she has NOT been ruled out as a suspect

 ::MonkeyRoll:: OOPS~blame it on Mytime ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yup.  There are some meth heads that need it so bad that they filter their own bi-product to get it, reheat it, and reuse it. 
I get the impression that Misty and Ron are more of the pill poppin, snorting, toking, and smoking type myself.

Off topic, but I just added a picture and I want to see how it looks.  Thanks.   ::MonkeyDance::

ME too~mainly because I've seen photos of people on meth and they don't look like those, Ron looks like my druggy brother.

filter there own product??? WTF???

Son of a fudging biscuit!!!!!!!!!!  Packing for Orlando now.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=133703&catid=3

Haleigh's Mother's Attorney Gives First Local Interview
Posted By: Jessica Clark     2 hrs ago

PUTNAM COUNTY, FL -- Attorney Kim Picazio says she first came to Putnam County this week to help Crystal Sheffield, Haleigh Cummings' mother, handle the media.

"I believe they called me so the family could have someone to turn to for advice on who they should talk to. They didn't know who to trust," Picazio explained.

Picazio has a law firm in Ft. Lauderdale and works mostly family law cases.

After working on the Haleigh Cummings case for only a few days, Picazio said people from all over Putnam county have called her and her staff with concerns about the safety and home life inside Haleigh's home while Haleigh was there and for her little brother now.

Haleigh lives with her father, Ronald Cummings, in Satsuma. It was from his home that she disappeared February 9th.

Picazio said her role has changed a little from what she had expected it to be.

"We are going to speak with the proper authorities so the Department of Children and Families can investigate the information we've gotten and then take whatever action they feel is appropriate."

From there, she said it will be up to Sheffield to file any legal action.

Picazio insists, Sheffield has never asked her to help her with a custody battle.

"No, she was never attempting to gain an unfair advantage in a tragic situation, that she was hiring a city slicker attorney to come swoop up on the witnesses and gain information. That was not the case," Picazio explained.

Picazio also says Sheffield is so upset about Haleigh that she is seeking counseling for her client.

"She is in a very bad state," Picazio said. "Crystal Sheffield would definitely not be in the mood right now to be getting married or attending any honeymoon."

Picazio was referring to Haleigh's father marrying his 17-year-old girlfriend Thursday afternoon and then flying to New York for an appearance on The Today Show on NBC.

Picazio said Sheffield has little money and she is taking the case pro bono.

She also said that Sheffield and her mother have been forced to leave the empty home in Putnam County that someone had generously provided to them for the past few weeks. Sheffield has lived in Baker County.

Picazio said she was hoping to help Sheffield find a place to stay in Putnam County so that she could remain close to the investigation

Their urine, as some times not all of the drugs are broken down by the body and are excreted instead.  Its a disgusting ordeal my Dad has told me about.  Very very sick what people will do for a fix.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: WTF?????? I thought you meant filter like a coffee filter.....ewwwwwwey

::MonkeyHaHa::  Monkey crank callin....don't get caught!  We still have not replenished the bail out money!!

WTH,   why is Crystal being forced to leave the home that was just offered to her now, better check out  Rons mother, she knows everybody in the area, did she go have a talk with the owner of this house and then they told Chrstal she had to gom this doesnt make sense to me!

::MonkeyHaHa::  Not sure what meathod of filtration they use, but I know a spoon is involved.

Rewatching Crystals interview in this tape, she says "a man dressed in black" and then with Geraldo she says "a black man dressed in black". She has changed her story also.

I smoke but use lemon juice and a fine pumice every day, sometimes twice a day.
I've seen the stains on old guys who don't do anything to get it off and it looks awful. I never let it go, it's like brushing my teeth. Can't imagine what my hands would look like if I never did that. Plus, it downright stinks and it bothers me if go to sleep with the ciggie stink on me. 

Well, my offer still stands and they know it has no expiration date, I set that money aside for that specific purpose.......there was plenty available to rent there and nice things ror 600-800 per month.

Just so you guys do not think I am nuts.  Sorry I have been "schooled" by my Dad...he is not a methhead, he is a Sheriff.

http://www.propeller.com/story/2007/02/04/some-meth-addicts-turn-to-urine-to-get-high/
Some hard-core methamphetamine addicts will do anything to get high, including collecting and drinking the urine of other users. It's the newest way to access meth. Some users drink the meth-tainted urine to get high while others use the cooking process to filter the drug back out.

Thanks Dolce~I just threw up my shrimp I had for dinner....so, guess my kini will fit better now ::MonkeyTongue::

Well, to be fair, my Chanel nail polish in the shade of Golden Sand stains my nails.

Uhh I wouldnt say she changed her story, I would say she just got confused with the black thing, but still thats alot different then changing your story about what you were doing the night haleigh came up missing, just different IMO

Well the fashion side of me says "way to go", but the motherly side of me says "go eat some saltines".

Luckyday, I'm afraid he may have hit her too hard or he hit her, she fell and hit her head, or maybe there was some kind of internal injury or some traumatic injury that may not have presented immediately, but minutes or hours later. ....Skull fracture, liver laceration, ruptured spleen, brain injury; She's unusually small (probably due to the missing X) he may have even shaken her extremely hard - not that it would take that much. I don't even want to go there......

That night with GR (Geraldo) it seemed like the family was circling the wagons and knew that Ron Ron's short fuse was about to blow and he would go into orbit. I got the sense that the Cummings' are all too familiar with his hair-trigger temper and they knew they had to assuage the scene before it escalated

In a nutshell, imo, Ron Ron is a violent individual and when he goes ballistic, the gloves are off and it really hits the proverbial fan. His family members were pacing like caged tigers and seemed really nervous, perhaps b/c they knew what was fixin' to go down on national TV if they didn't intervene.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: well kini season has arrived ~ I think I'll be okay as long as I skip reading about meth heads drinking pee ::MonkeyTongue::

EWWWWWW   that is gross, yuk yuk,   I love fashion but, when I was in the Alan Jackson video they made me look like Mistie and I wish it had never been shown now, because Im afraid people will think thats what I really look like!

I think jr's story has changed, and God love him, he's barely 4 years old...I chalk his story up to confusing LE in dark uniforms swarming the house and he was probably scared to death, there is no telling how it "appeared" to him and how his mind relives that moment, poor butterbean. ::MonkeyWaa::

OK guys, I have something bugging my head tonight and I am not very good with maps....How far does Ron's mom live from Ron and how far is the bus stop from Ron's house??

IIRC~she lives 12-15 miles away.......I 'll have to check the GVS transcripts. What;s bugging you Darla?

That is the most disgusting thing I have ever heard!!! I cannot imagine injecting anything into my veins - much less meth-tainted urine!! These people need to take a good, long, hard look in the mirror!! The hell with the handbasket - pass the barf bag! ::MonkeyShocked::

I heard her say in an interview that she lived 20 miles away.  Bus stop I don't know but it was shown on a map several pages back.  It was when they were showing the route the searchers covered.  I will try to find it.  Wasn't far from the house I don't think.

Why would she drive 12 to 15 miles to pick Haleigh up at the bus stop ? She said she picked Haleigh up...then Ron says he picked her up. Most bus stops are usually at the end of the street. Why would she drive that far to pick her up with Ron and Misty at home?? Could she have took Haleigh home with her??

I thought meth was smoked.  Do they inject it too?

I don't have a barf bag, but will this do......

I wondered the same thing when I heard that reported.  I have not heard her say that she picked Haleigh up but I have read it here.  Maybe it was her day off??

Dolce   LMAO !!     ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Rana, I so agree with you. Hell, I was on edge the entire interview Geraldo had w/Ron. I think if his family hadn't been right there on the sidelines, Ronnie boy would have gone full throttle. Geraldo said he (Ron) was stoned. Not sure if that is true, but he sure looked a bit sheepish to me. I cannot wait till the lovebirds are back in Satsuma and Cobra has a one-on-one w/Ron. I think this week will be very, very interesting.

IIRC~it was one the NG show........my mind is fried from trying to remember all this, i was certain she'd have been found by now ::MonkeyNoNo::  Here are the inconsistencies again because Ron also said her picked her up, if they both did I'd think they we say we picked her up instead of I?

I just have this sick feeling that little Haleigh is wrapped in a blanket and is either in woods on Ron's way to work or in the river. I do not trust momma Teresa. The blanket  in the van "they took" is driving me nuts. When that statement was made LE had not took anything.

Darla, do you remember where you heard her say that?   I only heard that RC got her from the bus stop but I'm really behind.

I think she is talking about the van that her Cousin had borrowed from someone when he had came over!

yep, you are right about that.  they would say "we".

This blanket thing bugs the hell out of me. Do they each have their very own blanket? Are there no extra blankets if one is soiled? Is that why Misty had to take a blanket off the window (which window??) because they are blanket-less?? Why is Misty's blanket in a van that "they" took? What van and who in the hell is "they"? Could Ron have accidently killed her by back handing her? Maybe the cousin was there and witnessed it? Could it be the cousins van? Did "they" wrap HL in the infamous blanket and Ron and cousin put HL in the mysterious van????

I agree.  so does that mean she went with him when he borrowed the van?  and who was she partying with supposedly for 3 days.

I think it was in the early interviews. I can't remember but I do remember reading it here.

Here is one of the places I heard it:

 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/17/ng.01.html

NANCY GRACE

Police Pursue New Leads in Missing Florida Girl

Aired February 17, 2009 - 20:00:00   ET

TERESA NEVES, PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER: I believe that she was. To the best of my knowledge, she was there. I had a family member there that night checking on the children, dropping off some clothes. So I know up to a point that she was definitely there. There`s no doubt in my mind that she was there, you know?


GRACE: We know for a fact, Miss Neves, that she was at school the day that she went missing.

NEVES: Yes, ma`am, she was. I picked her up from the bus stop.
 

 

IM, I think saying "I" instead of "we" can be an indicator of how dismissive he is of others--esp. the females in his life.  I'm not defending RC, its just that I know a guy who is like that--everything is stated w/ an I instead of we, though he's been married to the same woman for over a decade.

Foggy

of the places I heard it:

 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/17/ng.01.html

NANCY GRACE

Police Pursue New Leads in Missing Florida Girl

Aired February 17, 2009 - 20:00:00   ET

TERESA NEVES, PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER: I believe that she was. To the best of my knowledge, she was there. I had a family member there that night checking on the children, dropping off some clothes. So I know up to a point that she was definitely there. There`s no doubt in my mind that she was there, you know?


GRACE: We know for a fact, Miss Neves, that she was at school the day that she went missing.

NEVES: Yes, ma`am, she was. I picked her up from the bus stop.
 

 
This is what is bothering me. If she got her off the bus....Why would she send someone to check on the kids? If she was that worried about them...why did she not take them home with her??? Something just does not add up.

ohhh  thanks... I missed that, I think because in that interview, I got stuck on TN saying she sent a family member to check on the children, which struck me as odd if she totally trusted Misty like she says she does.

I saw Giraldo the night before he went to Florida telling Bill O'Reily that Ron had beaten Haleigh.  He said he had the picture to prove it.  He said that he was an abusive husband and a drug head. And that he was going the next day to confront him with his evidence.

So, I am sure Ron or family saw or heard that and had been preparing all day for his encounter with Giraldo.  By the time the interview took place Ron was probably a full blown maniac. Probably a good thing the family was there.  But, Giraldo has been hit before.

Me too, then it turned into GGMA Sykes dropped of clothes vs check on kids.....makes you wonder what she knows about Misty's mothering abilities.

Well, I wish the family had NOT been there because I would love to see Ron's temper in all his full glory. I want to see (not just hear - "why you let someone steal my child, bitch?') him go balls on walls. It is prolly killing him to have to hold back. People like that have no control over their temper.

Try to banish that thought, Miss Darla--something I've had to do repeatedly.  Try to stay positive.   :sunny:  In any case, I think LE is working under some strong theory despite their words to the contrary.  I just wish they could/would arrest "stepmom" or bio dad (or one of the players) under some pretext or other to shake things up a bit.  :smt102

Foggy

MOO~he appears to have quite a temper and possibly an abuser (he was arrested for violating the restraining order), but abusers from what I've heard tend to only hit the more vunerable in their life, ie his choice of women all young and vunerable......most don't hit men.

I have this from my notes on Feb. 18 from a news article:

Florida Department of Law Enforcement special Agent Dominick Pape said his department seized one vehicle for evidence, but wouldn't elaborate except to say it was taken early in the investigation. "It was processed for evidence, but we're not going to get into that, but it was processed by FDLE," says Detective Dominick Pape with FDLE.

We don't know when that vehicle was seized, nor what vehicle it was, but I am betting Misty let the cat out of the bag by making that statement about the "van they took."

And, apparently, it was taken VERY early into the investigation.

(I ended up working on art stuff and never went to bed. LOL)

I agree that it is killing him.  I think that was part of his smirk on the Today Show when asked about the man in black. I am sure he was thinking yea btch I would like to rub your face in the ground.  speaking about the interviewer.  Must say he has shown some control but how long will that last?

Do we know what kind of vehicle Ron drives? I know there is or was a car parked in front of the trailer - was that his? Wonder if we can look up what vehicles (if any) are registered to him??

I wish I could Foggy...but it has been eating at me since day 1....I have felt she has been gone since I first saw Ron on camera.And I think she is somewhere between home and Ron's work place. And no I am not saying I am psychic or anything, just a gut feeling.

Guilty or not...Ron is a *punk* wanna be.  He's trying to look *bad*  I think if Cobra had done the interview...he'd be on the ground again...cryin like a baby.  IMO he might be a bad a$$ in Satsuma, but he's about to see how the *big* dogs fight.   

ITA Islandmonkey.  Misty should be concerned that she will be the next missing person.

I think he drives a white chevy pickup, it's kinda hard to miss because it has HUGE letters on the back now that say "Only God Can Judge Me" and something on the front like "Daddy's Girl"....and, no you can't look up records on vehicles or boats, not public after 9/11

I have no idea what vehicles are owned by Ronald. This picture shows a van in it, but I think it is the neighbor's, as it is outside the crime scene tape:

(Actually probably shows 2 vans, but I am referring to the one on the right.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image6-1.png)

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Amen sista, tell me how you really feel ::MonkeyTongue::

 :?:Something I've wondered about for ages is how could one cover up for a son/daughter who took the life of a younger family member?  I really don't think I could.  Its just a rhetorical question that is mind boggling to me.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

that is what boggles my mind about the freakin Anthony's.  that is one sick family.  all of them.

Or dead.........

Thanks, I checked out the website and you can if you have the title or VIN number.

And the comment about Misty being next to go missing, yes - I have thought the same thing. I really feel for Misty. I think she is just a young, immature kid who sought love and security with the wrong person. I pray she gets the hell away from him and goes to Cobra or LE and tells them what she knows.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/45030846.jpg)

Forgot about this picture.

Shows a sedan at the house.

No idea whose it is.

Brandi, can you get a close up of the license plate? Maybe between all of us we can find someone to run it. I know, I am drawing at straws here, but damnit man, this is soooo frustrating!! ::MonkeyWaa::

Can anyone zoom in on it and get the tag number??

Luckyday,

I cannot read the license plate when I blow up the image.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Darla, you owe me a coke!!! Oh, to hell w/it, break out the Wild Turkey!! ::cartwheel::

If we can get the number I will get my son to run it tomorrow. He is a cop.

No prob, but thanks for trying!! Guess we will have to wait until Monday for the next round of drama.  ::MonkeyLaugh::

What does your son think of this case?? As a cop, I would be curious to know.

This is Ron's truck

I read somewhere in the beginning that it was either the car that Ron drove or TN...can't remember for sure.  But notice there is no police tape, and the skirting hasn't been taken off yet, as in later pics

Apparently, Chad drives a white pickup as well:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image2-2.jpg?t=1237095676)

Wow!!! Pretty damned nice truck - wasn't there a discussion here last week about if this was a new truck? I think that's how the "hand basket" thingy started??? And, is it a new truck??? We can read the first three letters/numbers - wonder if Darla's son could check it out that way - but if it's new, I guess it would be a MOOt point.

 ::MonkeyTongue:: This one is a better shot of the truck

He has not followed it as close as I have...We are in S.C. but he seems to think she is no longer with us...and that Ron and Misty are responsible for whatever happened. At least Misty is involved.But with no more than LE has released he said it is a tough call.

That doesn't look like a new truck to me.  Is it?

Can someone check the year of the truck??  Cuz I think those tail lights are custom chrome.....I could be wrong.  But looks like he's Trickin His Truck...

Well, it may not be new....remember the truck that had grave digger on the back window, I think that he just changed the lettering........damn, now I have to go find that photo ::MonkeyConfused:: But, you can zoom in on the letters of his truck in the last photo I posted

IIRC LE has confirmed that they did check out Ron being at work the night Haleigh went missing, and that they did verify it to be true.

Same day, at the tatoo shop:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image2-4.jpg)

Someone with great truck knowledge I believe posted it was a late 90's or early 2000's model

It would be hard to run it with just the first 3 numbers. But in the video of Ron and Misty geting their marriage license I thought they went to an old beat up blue or black truck

That;s not his truck, that day he rode in a dark SUV

close up of license plate area:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image4-3.png)

I think that is 6GO (0) ?

remember in the video at the tattoo shop when he pulled up his shirt and he had a tat on his back.  could you tell what it said?  i couldn't make it out.  just curious because he wanted the guy to fix it.  not sure what that meant either.

Sorry. Thought it was.

Darla~you can see all 6 on this photo

Would love to know the exact time he clocked in and out.

Yep, that's what I got when I blew it up......

I have my trusty magnifying glass and still can't read it. Is that the same truck that had the writing on the front windshield. saying God will bring Daddy's girl home????

The tatoo said Haleigh. I think Ron wanted some color added to it or something.

Is the tag number 9726GO?

Same one

So did he already have a tatoo with her name on his back. that was an old one?

Yes it is!

yes.

not sure if it is a zero or the letter O

I am guessing a zero, myself.

yessum !

thanks.

Are you sure it is a G or could it be another 6? I'll have my son run it after he gets out of church tomorrow morning.

Ron's face looks fatter on that pic and his head looks like is is almost shaved. It sure looked different on the Today show than this pic.

I am sure it is a G after the 6

FriedGreenTomatoes, is it the lack of formal credentials with which you take issue?....Rather than the techniques themselves?

I'm not sure if you're suggesting that b/c you are unable to "see" something that it doesn't exist... are you?

Here is some further information; Hope it helps.  :-)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Paul Ekman

The world’s foremost expert on facial expressions and is a professor emeritus of psychology at the University of California-San Francisco School of Medicine. The author of fourteen books, including Emotions Revealed, he lives in northern California.

Dr. Paul Ekman is a psychologist who has been a pioneer in the study of emotions and their relation to facial expressions. Dr. Ekman is considered one of the 100 most eminent psychologists of the twentieth century. Ekman takes a developmental approach, in that the development of human traits and states over time, is the background to his research.

Contrary to the belief of some anthropologists including Margaret Mead, Dr. Ekman found that facial expressions of emotion are not culturally determined, but universal to human culture and thus biological in origin, as Charles Darwin had once hypothesized. Dr. Ekman's finding is now widely accepted by scientists.


Dr. Maureen O'Sullican;

Professor of Psychology, USF  B.S., Fordham University; Ph.D., University of Southern California.

By working with secret service agents, trainers from ATF and LA Sheriffs , Dr. O'Sullivan and her colleagues were able to learn a great deal about how people can effectively use the behavioral clues that signal deception and develop training to help people become better lie detectors.

"We are able to significantly improve someone's ability to recognize microexpressions which are involved in many kinds of lies," Dr. O'Sullivan said.

Dr. O'Sullivan teaches a variety of courses ranging from General Psychology to experimental courses in psychological testing and social psychology as well as a service learning course in which students volunteer at community agencies related to their personal, spiritual and career interests.

Her research addresses questions about human emotion including: emotional intelligence, humor, romantic love, lying and truthfulness, courtesy, and cross-cultural differences in emotional experience and expression. She also studies individual differences in intelligence and expertise.

O’Sullivan, who teaches at the University of San Francisco, discusses her findings at the American Medical Association’s Annual Science Reporters Conference.


Dr. Mark G. Frank

Received his Ph.D. in Social Psychology from Cornell University in 1989. He then received a National Research Service Award from the National Institute of Mental Health to do postdoctoral research in the Psychiatry Department at the University of California at San Francisco Medical School, where he worked with Dr. Paul Ekman.

In 1992, he joined the School of Psychology at the University of New South Wales in Sydney, and 4 years later joined the Communication Department at Rutgers University in New Jersey.
Research is done by showing subjects videotapes of people being questioned in a variety of situations.

Police officers tend to be above average in cases involving crimes but not in emotional situations, while therapists were just the opposite.

The clues aren’t as obvious, but there’s a small group of individuals who can detect the subtle signs that people reveal when they lie.

The vast majority of people don’t notice those flickers of falsehood, but psychology professor, Dr. Maureen O’Sullivan has found a few that can find the fibbers nearly every time.

Of 13,000 people tested by Dr. MAureen o'Sullivan for the ability to detect deception, there 31 who are able to detect deception; and she cautioned that even the best of them is not 100 percent accurate.

(The "Eyes for Lies" blogger is one of them, BTW)

So who is good at detecting lies? In 1999, Dr. Maureen O'Sullivan, Dr. Paul Ekman, professor emeritus of psychology, at the University of California, San Francisco, and Dr. Mark Frank of Rutgers described how well various professions detected lies, and found the greatest accuracy among federal officers, including many from the Company, and then sheriffs who were highly regarded as interrogators by their peers.

It makes sense. Some people, O'Sullivan says, "especially the cops, develop it because they wanted consciously to find out if someone is lying."

(http://whyfiles.org/shorties/162lie_detect/images/lie_dtect_chart.gif)

The Physiology of Facial expression"
http://discovermagazine.com/2005/jan/physiology-of-facial-expressions (http://discovermagazine.com/2005/jan/physiology-of-facial-expressions)

"Dr. Paul Ekman: Catching Liars"
http://www.paulekman.com/ (http://www.paulekman.com/)

"Ask A Scientist"
http://www.askascientistsf.com/pdfs/AskAScientist_10.12.05.pdf (http://www.askascientistsf.com/pdfs/AskAScientist_10.12.05.pdf)

"Scientists say a Rare Few Have the Skill to Detect the Flickers of Falsehood,  "
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6249749/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6249749/)

"Have We been Lying to You?"
http://whyfiles.org/shorties/162lie_detect/ (http://whyfiles.org/shorties/162lie_detect/)

It looks like 972 6GO to me--poss 5GO...maybe. 

The damned tag number is running thru my brain, even singing it to myself - time to def get a life!!!! ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks Brandi....wish we had gotten this a few hours ago. My son was here about 10 PM to pick up the grands.

No, it's a 6, I have a Florida tag just like that (different county) the 5's are more defined and open than this photo

Thanks Rana~nice research ::MonkeyDance::

tell me again why are they running the tags. 

Why NOT??? Want to see if this truck belongs to Ron, when it was registered to him, IF it's registered to him. If it was registered to him since 02/10/09. I want to know where all these donations are going.

Darla, its a safe bet your son'll know the alpha/numeric pattern that FL runs on its truck plates which'll help determine whether a 6 is in fact a "G", a zero is an "O" and so on. 

Now if we could just get a chopper overhead to shoot us an image of the VIN through the windshield.  Hmm... :2thinky:  J/K

Foggy

Can one of you smart monkeys get a still shot from the courthouse video of the truck that they were going to????Trust me you do not want me messing with a picture.

good idea about the donations.