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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #752 5-15-08
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KLAAS....hope you are feeling much...much...better!
May I ask another favor of you....can you bring the 3 new photos from the last thread...over to here...I don't know how...I keep flipping between 2 threads to look at things...
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #752 5-15-08
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I can't help but wonder if something was removed from that pond at the spot where we see the bottom chipped away. It certainly appears the CSI/searchers did that! Possible trace evidence? Imprints? Also that is one shallow pond!
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #752 5-15-08
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I wonder if that tire was used for anything? That pond seems clean, I would have expected more trash.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #752 5-15-08
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Quote from: ******* on May 15, 2008, 09:31:41 PM
I can't help but wonder if something was removed from that pond at the spot where we see the bottom chipped away. It certainly appears the CSI/searchers did that! Also that is one shallow pond!
I remember early on some posting that Aruba has some kind of shifting sand or mud, not exactly like quicksand. IIRC, things were buried quite quickly, they sank in the mud.
I think I remember this from the pond that was drained previously. Much discussion about the wet and dry seasons.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #752 5-15-08
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Quote from: WhiskeyGirl on May 15, 2008, 09:32:00 PM
I wonder if that tire was used for anything? That pond seems clean, I would have expected more trash.
I was wondering that myself WG....
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Quote from: ******* on May 15, 2008, 09:31:41 PM
I can't help but wonder if something was removed from that pond at the spot where we see the bottom chipped away. It certainly appears the CSI/searchers did that! Possible trace evidence? Imprints? Also that is one shallow pond!
I can't remember who, earlier today said that they thought they saw...in photo #2....above, and to the right of the *chipped* area, he saw another chipped area...I think it was Wreck....my eyes are not that good...
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Quote from: ******* on May 15, 2008, 09:31:41 PM
I can't help but wonder if something was removed from that pond at the spot where we see the bottom chipped away. It certainly appears the CSI/searchers did that! Possible trace evidence? Imprints? Also that is one shallow pond!
That is what I'm thinkin'!
I think it is a good sign that only a small area was lifted - maybe it means they found what they were looking for. No need to dig up the whole pond. I also was thinking that pond was REALLY shallow, but maybe the grass there grows really quick once exposed.
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Quote from: WhiskeyGirl on May 15, 2008, 09:36:20 PM
Quote from: ******* on May 15, 2008, 09:31:41 PM
I can't help but wonder if something was removed from that pond at the spot where we see the bottom chipped away. It certainly appears the CSI/searchers did that! Also that is one shallow pond!
I remember early on some posting that Aruba has some kind of shifting sand or mud, not exactly like quicksand. IIRC, things were buried quite quickly, they sank in the mud.
I think I remember this from the pond that was drained previously. Much discussion about the wet and dry seasons.
Speaking of Mud..
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He is already taking pre-orders for his book which comes out June 25th. It's on sale for $23 U.S
http://patrickvandereem.nl/
it is not true either, there is not a water where Paules used to live. The forgot a thing,
Joran was pickup at Mcdonald and here are withness.
He will sell his book but it is also not the true story. I know the people for a long time over in Montana and there is no well. Talk to the old people the semeleers that live in the area before the kalpoes came to live in that area.
No well. There is a well that they could have used but it is not in the area., but than
Joran did not need to walk to Mcdonalds passing infornt of the withness house that night where the dogs where barking
because he was cover all in mud.
Why write a book telling a lie... Make you look a fool.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #752 5-15-08
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Quote from: ******* on May 15, 2008, 09:43:23 PM
Quote from: WhiskeyGirl on May 15, 2008, 09:36:20 PM
Quote from: ******* on May 15, 2008, 09:31:41 PM
I can't help but wonder if something was removed from that pond at the spot where we see the bottom chipped away. It certainly appears the CSI/searchers did that! Also that is one shallow pond!
I remember early on some posting that Aruba has some kind of shifting sand or mud, not exactly like quicksand. IIRC, things were buried quite quickly, they sank in the mud.
I think I remember this from the pond that was drained previously. Much discussion about the wet and dry seasons.
Speaking of Mud..
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on May 09, 2008, 09:11:47 PM
Quote from: ******* on May 09, 2008, 08:57:02 PM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on May 09, 2008, 08:54:18 PM
Quote from: vms on May 09, 2008, 08:44:09 PM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on May 09, 2008, 08:29:04 PM
He is already taking pre-orders for his book which comes out June 25th. It's on sale for $23 U.S
http://patrickvandereem.nl/
it is not true either, there is not a water where Paules used to live. The forgot a thing,
Joran was pickup at Mcdonald and here are withness.
He will sell his book but it is also not the true story. I know the people for a long time over in Montana and there is no well. Talk to the old people the semeleers that live in the area before the kalpoes came to live in that area.
No well. There is a well that they could have used but it is not in the area., but than
Joran did not need to walk to Mcdonalds passing infornt of the withness house that night where the dogs where barking
because he was cover all in mud.
Why write a book telling a lie... Make you look a fool.
All covered in mud....you sure as sh*t don't get ALL COVERED IN MUD...from the ocean....
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #752 5-15-08
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Quote from: wreck on May 15, 2008, 09:42:43 PM
Quote from: ******* on May 15, 2008, 09:31:41 PM
I can't help but wonder if something was removed from that pond at the spot where we see the bottom chipped away. It certainly appears the CSI/searchers did that! Possible trace evidence? Imprints? Also that is one shallow pond!
That is what I'm thinkin'!
I think it is a good sign that only a small area was lifted - maybe it means they found what they were looking for. No need to dig up the whole pond. I also was thinking that pond was REALLY shallow, but maybe the grass there grows really quick once exposed.
Well, it was deep enough to float a boat with two large men, and drop the sonar into it. I am betting it was at least 6 feet deep. Yes, the grass grows really fast once exposed. As I said earlier, it is the same here during the monsoons in July and August.
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Quote from: wreck on May 15, 2008, 09:42:43 PM
Quote from: ******* on May 15, 2008, 09:31:41 PM
I can't help but wonder if something was removed from that pond at the spot where we see the bottom chipped away. It certainly appears the CSI/searchers did that! Possible trace evidence? Imprints? Also that is one shallow pond!
That is what I'm thinkin'!
I think it is a good sign that only a small area was lifted - maybe it means they found what they were looking for. No need to dig up the whole pond. I also was thinking that pond was REALLY shallow, but maybe the grass there grows really quick once exposed.
Exactly! I think they found something right in that spot..Either a imprint of something that was there,evidence or just something they found suspicious. That Ground Penetrating Radar could clear that small pond quickly and would be no need to dig anywhere unless they saw something. If anything was in that pond they found it for sure.
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Quote from: ******* on May 15, 2008, 09:49:13 PM
Quote from: wreck on May 15, 2008, 09:42:43 PM
Quote from: ******* on May 15, 2008, 09:31:41 PM
I can't help but wonder if something was removed from that pond at the spot where we see the bottom chipped away. It certainly appears the CSI/searchers did that! Possible trace evidence? Imprints? Also that is one shallow pond!
That is what I'm thinkin'!
I think it is a good sign that only a small area was lifted - maybe it means they found what they were looking for. No need to dig up the whole pond. I also was thinking that pond was REALLY shallow, but maybe the grass there grows really quick once exposed.
Exactly! I think they found something right in that spot..Either a imprint of something that was there,evidence or just something they found suspicious. That Ground Penetrating Radar could clear that small pond quickly and would be no need to dig anywhere unless they saw something. If anything was in that pond they found it for sure.
*******...you are right..I completely forgot about the ground penetrating radar!! they used that at the VDS house search, right??
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #752 5-15-08
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Quote from: wreck on May 15, 2008, 09:42:43 PM
Quote from: ******* on May 15, 2008, 09:31:41 PM
I can't help but wonder if something was removed from that pond at the spot where we see the bottom chipped away. It certainly appears the CSI/searchers did that! Possible trace evidence? Imprints? Also that is one shallow pond!
That is what I'm thinkin'!
I think it is a good sign that only a small area was lifted - maybe it means they found what they were looking for. No need to dig up the whole pond. I also was thinking that pond was REALLY shallow, but maybe the grass there grows really quick once exposed.
Exactly! I think they found something right in that spot..Either a imprint of something that was there,evidence or just something they found suspicious. That Ground Penetrating Radar could clear that small pond quickly and would be no need to dig anywhere unless they saw something. If anything was in that pond they found it for sure.
*******...I'm gonna take your positive attitude....and run with it.....
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Also remember that the winds in Aruba are always blowing, and with the wind the seeds would quickly depoist in a damp pond bed and sprout within a week to 10 days. I am still wondering if it were drained, or dried up from the heat.
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Dogs just don't seem to like Joran...
The authorities should have asked if anyone saw a
"MokoThing"
walking around Aruba that night.
I wonder how many called the tip line about a mud covered person. Joran wouldn't look like a 'boy' due to his size and condition. However, he would look like an older man covered in mud. jmho
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Quote from: WhiskeyGirl on May 15, 2008, 09:55:04 PM
Dogs just don't seem to like Joran...
The authorities should have asked if anyone saw a
"MokoThing"
walking around Aruba that night.
I wonder how many called the tip line about a mud covered person. Joran wouldn't look like a 'boy' due to his size and condition.
However, he would look like an older man covered in mud.
jmho
I agree.
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Quote from: Destiny on May 15, 2008, 09:51:44 PM
Quote from: ******* on May 15, 2008, 09:49:13 PM
Quote from: wreck on May 15, 2008, 09:42:43 PM
Quote from: ******* on May 15, 2008, 09:31:41 PM
I can't help but wonder if something was removed from that pond at the spot where we see the bottom chipped away. It certainly appears the CSI/searchers did that! Possible trace evidence? Imprints? Also that is one shallow pond!
That is what I'm thinkin'!
I think it is a good sign that only a small area was lifted - maybe it means they found what they were looking for. No need to dig up the whole pond. I also was thinking that pond was REALLY shallow, but maybe the grass there grows really quick once exposed.
Exactly! I think they found something right in that spot..Either a imprint of something that was there,evidence or just something they found suspicious. That Ground Penetrating Radar could clear that small pond quickly and would be no need to dig anywhere unless they saw something. If anything was in that pond they found it for sure.
*******...I'm gonna take your positive attitude....and run with it.....
Yes, they also had the opportunity to watch and see if anyone had an interest in that pond after Persistence left.
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Quote from: AZSunny on May 15, 2008, 09:48:25 PM
Quote from: wreck on May 15, 2008, 09:42:43 PM
Quote from: ******* on May 15, 2008, 09:31:41 PM
I can't help but wonder if something was removed from that pond at the spot where we see the bottom chipped away. It certainly appears the CSI/searchers did that! Possible trace evidence? Imprints? Also that is one shallow pond!
That is what I'm thinkin'!
I think it is a good sign that only a small area was lifted - maybe it means they found what they were looking for. No need to dig up the whole pond. I also was thinking that pond was REALLY shallow, but maybe the grass there grows really quick once exposed.
Well, it was deep enough to float a boat with two large men, and drop the sonar into it. I am betting it was at least 6 feet deep. Yes, the grass grows really fast once exposed. As I said earlier, it is the same here during the monsoons in July and August.
That spot is somewhere around 20 feet from the edge,about the distance where 2-3 people would drop something heavy while walking on the bottom. It is also right in the middle where it is probably the deepest on that part of the pond.. If Natalee was found in that spot they would chip away at the bottom to get all the trace evidence because after 3 years much of her would have deteriorated except for the bones. Because it is so shallow that will be very tough on any DNA found because of the heat,but I suspect the Mud would preserve evidence nicely. I am curious just how deep it was in that spot, because if it was less than 4 feet then the chances are very slim they would put dispose of Natalee there. It's been 3 years now and apparently it has never gone dry but I bet they lose quite a bit of water in the dry season.
We have been let down so many times and I would suspect this could be another dead end. However that area that was chipped away has me intrigued,along with the witness and the manpower that searched this pond.
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Quote from: ******* on May 15, 2008, 10:01:37 PM
Quote from: AZSunny on May 15, 2008, 09:48:25 PM
Quote from: wreck on May 15, 2008, 09:42:43 PM
Quote from: ******* on May 15, 2008, 09:31:41 PM
I can't help but wonder if something was removed from that pond at the spot where we see the bottom chipped away. It certainly appears the CSI/searchers did that! Possible trace evidence? Imprints? Also that is one shallow pond!
That is what I'm thinkin'!
I think it is a good sign that only a small area was lifted - maybe it means they found what they were looking for. No need to dig up the whole pond. I also was thinking that pond was REALLY shallow, but maybe the grass there grows really quick once exposed.
Well, it was deep enough to float a boat with two large men, and drop the sonar into it. I am betting it was at least 6 feet deep. Yes, the grass grows really fast once exposed. As I said earlier, it is the same here during the monsoons in July and August.
That spot is somewhere around 20 feet from the edge,about the distance where 2-3 people would drop something heavy while walking on the bottom. It is also right in the middle where it is probably the deepest on that part of the pond.. If Natalee was found in that spot they would chip away at the bottom to get all the trace evidence because after 3 years much of her would have deteriorated except for the bones. Because it is so shallow that will be very tough on any DNA found because of the heat,but I suspect the Mud would preserve evidence nicely. I am curious just how deep it was in that spot, because if it was less than 4 feet then the chances are very slim they would put dispose of Natalee there. It's been 3 years now and apparently it has never gone dry but I bet they lose quite a bit of water in the dry season.
We have been let down so many times and I would suspect this could be another dead end. However that area that was chipped away has me intrigued,along with the witness and the manpower that searched this pond.
I wonder if it's possible that they removed car parts? Seats? Headliner? Carpet?
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I forgot to add "trunkliner" - parts that are easily replaced. The Kalpoe and other vehicles were not taken immediately. Plenty of time to replace parts.
New parts or parts from a junk yard. Replace the whole car. Who would know?
Junk/salvage yards in SA, USA, and the world. All at Aruba's doorstep.
Bring the parts in by boat if needed. No need to ship or go through customs.
imho
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===> Serial Killers and Their Possible Victims
===> Unsolved Crimes
=====> Finally Solved
===> Haleigh Marie Cummings - Florida
===> Adji Desir - Florida
===> Somer Renee Thompson 7 yo, Orange Park FL 10/19/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
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