Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 - 12/6/08

[WhiskeyGirl]

Just a few thoughts here -

What if the skull and news story were part of an Aruban 2007 end of year "we found her and it's ok to visit Aruba" promotion?

Who cares if it was her?  I think "it looks like a skull" and other things were used to suggest that Natalee is returned to her parents.

Is the latest coverage/JVDS story/no body/no case stuff and Jan VDS story part of an Aruban 2008 end of year "we found her" or "we found the coverup"  and it's ok to visit Aruba promotion?

Will the case be closed at the end of the year?  Will anyone with their fingers in the pot ever be charged with a crime related to this case?  A coverup?  Conflict of interest?  Nepotism?  Cronyism?  Favoritism?

jmho

[Red]

Jossy Mansur on Dana tonight.

And Joe Tacopina?

I hope they get on together, now that would be interesting.

If that were happening RED would be in on that party call.

However, that will never happen as Joe does not like confrontation with people who know the case. If you ever notice all of his interviews after a couple months into case, he was a solo.

Think he would really want to defend his client against those that knew the case inside and out and who had just as much inside info as he?

Not happening.

Personally, I find it stunning that he agreed to come on.

[SS]

DECEMBER 30

Blonde - the photograph of the three divers was taken at 3:38 on the 30th.  Do we have a time stamp on the other cage photographs for the same day?

Yes I did these screen shots myself





All here http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4145.20

The ROV is controlled from someone onboard the ship.  Is it my imagination or is the angle of the camera on the ROV being set so the lens does not pan on the left side of the cage where the reamins, shoe, and skirt are located?

On the ship it's a Slanted Screen this is NOT Tim Miller hand  but he was on the ship


VIDEO http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23302471#23302581

Oh My God, Blonde.  The timestamp next to Tim Millers hand shows 13 minutes later.  Tim was reported to be off the ship on June 7th when the cage contents were taken by ALE, but he was onbaord during this film sequence.  Please someone, say it isn't so.

NOT TIM'S HAND BUT TIM WAS STANDING NEXT TO THE GUY WHO POINTED

How can the camera shooting the pic at 15:40 (showing the possible remains in the cage) be the same camera that took the pic at 15:39 showing the thumbs down and at 15:43 (where the man's hand is pointing to the screen) showing what appears to be the divers heading back?

Could that camera have swung away from the divers and around to the left side of the cage and taken that pic in 60 seconds?

Thanks...12/30/2007

Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19-08  on: November 20, 2008, 08:22:14 PM 

Quote from: Altruist on November 20, 2008, 08:12:12 PM

Blonde, trying to get Kyle to look at your wonderful work in process http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4145.0, so hopefully he will have some time & be willing to identify who he can so that would take those identifications as addressed & put to rest as fact.  Kyle was there & young enough to have a decent memory of those persons & identify who he does not know, as well.  Any chance that Red could ask Tim Miller to review these photo's as well??????????????????????  Tim Miller may have been on board those days that Kyle was not.

Funny story, tried to view google images when we first started trying to identify Reply 10 of http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4145.0 & found one photo that looked interesting when I clicked on the photo to show true size guess who's work it was Klaas's creation, who had been copying idiots heads onto bodies in the photo's, laughed til it hurt.

Quote Kyle
Tim Miller was never on the Persistence while I was not on board.  He stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.

Mum - it sounds like they sent him off to Nicaragua with 24 or 48 hours afterwards. I understand now why Kyle referred to Tim Miller as a liability.

[truthseeker2]

Okay...I'll put this out there again...

How can the camera shooting the pic at 15:40 on 12/30/07 (showing the possible remains in the cage) be the same camera that took the pic at 15:39 on 12/30/07 showing the thumbs down and at 15:43 on 12/30/07 (where the man's hand is pointing to the screen) showing what appears to be the divers heading back?

Could that camera have swung away from the divers and around to the left side of the cage and taken that pic in 60 seconds?


Were there two ROV's or two camera's????????

[crazybabyborg]

Jossy Mansur on Dana tonight.

And Joe Tacopina?

I hope they get on together, now that would be interesting.

If that were happening RED would be in on that party call.

However, that will never happen as Joe does not like confrontation with people who know the case. If you ever notice all of his interviews after a couple months into case, he was a solo.

Think he would really want to defend his client against those that knew the case inside and out and who had just as much inside info as he?

Not happening.

Personally, I find it stunning that he agreed to come on.

Aw, shucks. I was READY TO RUUUUMBLE!!!

 

[Keepthefaith]

Okay...I'll put this out there again...

How can the camera shooting the pic at 15:40 on 12/30/07 (showing the possible remains in the cage) be the same camera that took the pic at 15:39 on 12/30/07 showing the thumbs down and at 15:43 on 12/30/07 (where the man's hand is pointing to the screen) showing what appears to be the divers heading back?

Could that camera have swung away from the divers and around to the left side of the cage and taken that pic in 60 seconds?


Were there two ROV's or two camera's????????

That's a great question for Kermit!

[Tamikosmom]

Jossy Mansur on Dana tonight.

And Joe Tacopina?

I hope they get on together, now that would be interesting.

 

[SS]

Jossy Mansur on Dana tonight.

And Joe Tacopina?

I hope they get on together, now that would be interesting.

If that were happening RED would be in on that party call.

However, that will never happen as Joe does not like confrontation with people who know the case. If you ever notice all of his interviews after a couple months into case, he was a solo.

Think he would really want to defend his client against those that knew the case inside and out and who had just as much inside info as he?

Not happening.

Personally, I find it stunning that he agreed to come on.

Red - do you have any comments or words of wisdom about what we have found with the Persistence and cage photographs?

[Frank]

Red,

I really believe he knows the truth, Tacopina, and he has to know that he can only rationalize this for so long. He has his own issues going on there is no doubt.

These type of defense lawyer's do have a come to Jesus moment in their lives. I've seen many burn out after awhile defending the guilty. It gets away from you and drains the soul.

When Tacopina has a meltdown, he's angry with himself. His own guilt.

[crazybabyborg]

Guess we can't call in to Dana if Taco doesn't like "directness", huh?   

[crazybabyborg]

I'd be nice if they'd let me call Tacky.

I'd ask how Simpleton and Sociopath are these days.

[texasmom]

I'd be nice if they'd let me call Tacky.

I'd ask how Simpleton and Sociopath are these days.

 

[truthseeker2]

Okay...I'll put this out there again...

How can the camera shooting the pic at 15:40 on 12/30/07 (showing the possible remains in the cage) be the same camera that took the pic at 15:39 on 12/30/07 showing the thumbs down and at 15:43 on 12/30/07 (where the man's hand is pointing to the screen) showing what appears to be the divers heading back?

Could that camera have swung away from the divers and around to the left side of the cage and taken that pic in 60 seconds?


Were there two ROV's or two camera's????????

That's a great question for Kermit!

Well, I'm a part-time monkey poster (I lurk more often than I post) and this time sequence seems more questionable than many things that have garnered pages of monkey posts.

How was that time sequence possible?  When you compare the quality of the 15:40 pic with the others it seems as though the others were from a video image and the 15:40 was from a camera.  Who would have been using a camera down there at that time?  Or, were there two ROV's?

[SS]

Okay...I'll put this out there again...

How can the camera shooting the pic at 15:40 on 12/30/07 (showing the possible remains in the cage) be the same camera that took the pic at 15:39 on 12/30/07 showing the thumbs down and at 15:43 on 12/30/07 (where the man's hand is pointing to the screen) showing what appears to be the divers heading back?

Could that camera have swung away from the divers and around to the left side of the cage and taken that pic in 60 seconds?


Were there two ROV's or two camera's????????

That's a great question for Kermit!

Well, I'm a part-time monkey poster (I lurk more often than I post) and this time sequence seems more questionable than many things that have garnered pages of monkey posts.

How was that time sequence possible?  When you compare the quality of the 15:40 pic with the others it seems as though the others were from a video image and the 15:40 was from a camera.  Who would have been using a camera down there at that time?  Or, were there two ROV's?

I think there was only one ROV onboard, so what you are saying would probably indicate a fourth diver or photographer.  I am not knowledgeable about cameras.  What is really important are the timestamps on those photographs because it places everyone both on the ship and in the ocean at strategic places.

[Kermit]

Frank,
I'm not sure if this is the picture you were looking for or not?



Karin Janssen

[Magnolia]

Okay...I'll put this out there again...

How can the camera shooting the pic at 15:40 on 12/30/07 (showing the possible remains in the cage) be the same camera that took the pic at 15:39 on 12/30/07 showing the thumbs down and at 15:43 on 12/30/07 (where the man's hand is pointing to the screen) showing what appears to be the divers heading back?

Could that camera have swung away from the divers and around to the left side of the cage and taken that pic in 60 seconds?


Were there two ROV's or two camera's????????
[/quote]

That's a great question for Kermit!
[/quote]

Well, I'm a part-time monkey poster (I lurk more often than I post) and this time sequence seems more questionable than many things that have garnered pages of monkey posts.

How was that time sequence possible?  When you compare the quality of the 15:40 pic with the others it seems as though the others were from a video image and the 15:40 was from a camera.  Who would have been using a camera down there at that time?  Or, were there two ROV's?
[/quote]

If you look at the pictures of the divers, one is using a camera.

[Kermit]

Okay...I'll put this out there again...

How can the camera shooting the pic at 15:40 on 12/30/07 (showing the possible remains in the cage) be the same camera that took the pic at 15:39 on 12/30/07 showing the thumbs down and at 15:43 on 12/30/07 (where the man's hand is pointing to the screen) showing what appears to be the divers heading back?

Could that camera have swung away from the divers and around to the left side of the cage and taken that pic in 60 seconds?


Were there two ROV's or two camera's????????

That's a great question for Kermit!

I honestly do not know the answer to that. I wasn't there.

[klaasend]

Click the link below:
http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u

[Kermit]

Okay...I'll put this out there again...

How can the camera shooting the pic at 15:40 on 12/30/07 (showing the possible remains in the cage) be the same camera that took the pic at 15:39 on 12/30/07 showing the thumbs down and at 15:43 on 12/30/07 (where the man's hand is pointing to the screen) showing what appears to be the divers heading back?

Could that camera have swung away from the divers and around to the left side of the cage and taken that pic in 60 seconds?


Were there two ROV's or two camera's????????

That's a great question for Kermit!
[/quote]

Well, I'm a part-time monkey poster (I lurk more often than I post) and this time sequence seems more questionable than many things that have garnered pages of monkey posts.

How was that time sequence possible?  When you compare the quality of the 15:40 pic with the others it seems as though the others were from a video image and the 15:40 was from a camera.  Who would have been using a camera down there at that time?  Or, were there two ROV's?
[/quote]

If you look at the pictures of the divers, one is using a camera.
[/quote]

I think Kyle said that the Aruban divers did take photographs.

[Kermit]

Jossy Mansur on Dana tonight.

And Joe Tacopina?

I hope they get on together, now that would be interesting.

If that were happening RED would be in on that party call.

However, that will never happen as Joe does not like confrontation with people who know the case. If you ever notice all of his interviews after a couple months into case, he was a solo.

Think he would really want to defend his client against those that knew the case inside and out and who had just as much inside info as he?

Not happening.

Personally, I find it stunning that he agreed to come on.

It's Dana's charm that lured him like bee to honey.