Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #79

[stayhomemommy]

He is enjoying all the media sensationalism!!!!!!

I agree. I also tend to think he actually has himself fooled into thinking he is going to win this case and become the newest host on truTV or such...blech!

Even if he doesn't win, he will be famous.  I don't think he will ever let Casey talk if he is smart and I think he is a smart defense attorney.

I think if he fails big-time, he will be famous in a bad light--Just my opinion.

[Russ]

Mommy~

I have wondered numerous times if Casey wasn't close to taking and Baez has kept her from it.  Most recently being after the last arrest when detectives gave her the option of turning right or left.  She called Baez, they took her to jail.  And not to forget about Casey asking to see George alone.  I'm wondering if she wasnt' going to spill to him?  I don't know, but I think you're right on about her loving her own life and not wanting to get the DP.   Everyone keeps talking about Baez being such a lousy lawyer but so far he's managed to keep her from talking

You know, that is an excellent point. Even the A's attorneys haven't been able to keep them from talking, but Casey isn't even talking to her family since intimately. So, hummmm....interesting. I definitely agree he has her thinking she will get off. I think he is so egotistical that he is telling her "he's got it covered" or such.

The defense will NOT be mythical nannies and sinister dark plots to frame Casey.  It can't be and it won't be.  He can say anything he wants at this point to foster doubt in the public but he will have a problem with reasonable doubt in a trial.

Baez said "We will all understand in his opening statement".  His defense, IF it goes to trial, will be more puritanical and will be to lessen the sentencing phase.   No way in hell he uses the defense involving fabled make believe characters that the only person that can attest to is his client.  No way he lets her take the stand.

He is going to attempt to plea out, but not until he has milked this for every ounce of publicity he can.  I just hope the prosecution doesn't accept any plea.  I want this to go to trial.

Do you really think he will attempt to plea out? I don't see it; but perhaps. They all keep saying, "Oh, it will make sense when [such and such happens]." We all know that is just a plot to put-off coming up with a working theory that will match with the evidence--which they don't know all of yet, so Baez has to wait to come-up with something to spin.

He won't have a chance in court with all the evidence, remembering that they had enough for murder 1 prior to the body being even found.  No way he takes this to court with mythical nannies and fantastical stories of mayhem and intrigue from sinister characters within Casey's imagination.  I think he milks this and then attempts to plea out.

[anothermonkey]

If Eric is the dad, why haven't we heard from any of his relatives?

Maybe they don't want to be hounded by media--unlike Baez and the A's who seem to love the media attention.

I'm sure Jesus Ortiz's family didn't want to be hounded by media either... however, some media did attempt to make contact with them, to ask questions about his relationship with Casey. We have not heard one thing either way with this guy.. I've never heard of any reporters trying to find Eric's family- not his widow, but his family.

[anothermonkey]

The only official statment she gave is the one we read with the mythical Zanny and the rest of the lies. She told the LE at that time that she didn't call the police to report her missing because she had read or saw movies where the child was harmed. In her visit tapes with Cindy and Lee she says several times that she can't help them any more from jail.
Baez might not want to play it that way, but you can bet the prosecution will. 

All we've heard from day one was about the nanny.  And after this body was found, it was still about the nanny. And now that it's actually Caylee? Well what nanny? Now it's the friggin' meter reader! 

[stayhomemommy]

The only official statment she gave is the one we read with the mythical Zanny and the rest of the lies. She told the LE at that time that she didn't call the police to report her missing because she had read or saw movies where the child was harmed. In her visit tapes with Cindy and Lee she says several times that she can't help them any more from jail.
Baez might not want to play it that way, but you can bet the prosecution will. 

Oh, how many times she says in those tapes things that refer to "not being able to help from here" and "if I were home." From the get-go, I picked up she was not sincere about anything but getting out of jail...as I am sure all of us monkeys picked that up, too. Really disgusting.

[Wyks]

What is bothering me most is the fact they may not come up with a cause of death.  With Dr G saying what she did about no trauma to the bones, she has to believe the little girl may have been poisoned.  If she was suffocated, you cannot prove this with the remains, can you???

No, aphyxiation can only be found in the lungs *broken blood vessels* and in the eyes.

This is one of the things that bother me the most, in thinking about the length of time before 911 was called.  Plenty of time to ensure that vital organs would no longer be there to help fix the cause of death.  This smacks of *someone* smarter than Casey seems to be, helping dispose of Caylee's body.  In a weird sense, wouldn't matter where or how the body was disposed, cuz the cause of death would be hard to be determined.  But then, going with that thought, it's hard to explain why identifying things were included with Caylee body's.  Mind boggling at best.  It's as if part of it was thought out, part of it wasn't.  And that kind of thinking leads me back to Casey acting alone. 

   

[stayhomemommy]

He won't have a chance in court with all the evidence, remembering that they had enough for murder 1 prior to the body being even found.  No way he takes this to court with mythical nannies and fantastical stories of mayhem and intrigue from sinister characters within Casey's imagination.  I think he milks this and then attempts to plea out.

I hope you're right. I hope the prosecutuion doesn't agree to it--but I hope Baez does try. Because I just want some sort of admission from the defense that she is guilty. I know, I might in a fantasy world regarding this, but a monkey can dream, eh?

[JodyO]

Remember that Cindy said Caylee's father is Eric N..

Found this collage on another forum, it's of Eric and Caylee.  Interesting to say the least. 

Wow wykes. he is a dead ringer to me in my book of possible sperm donors....the nose is dead on

Eyebrows too!!!!!!!

Somebody, refresh my memory please. Is Eric the childhood friend of Casey's who was going to college in Jacksonville (I think it was) and came home infrequently?

[littletxlady]

Defending Caylee's mom a challenge, experts say

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/12/20/caylee.anthony.next/



CNN) -- Now that Caylee Anthony's remains have been identified, the search for the Florida toddler turns into a prosecution of her mother.

 
Casey Anthony, 22, is accused of killing her daughter. Investigators say her alibi didn't check out.

 1 of 3  Although Orange County, Florida, Medical Examiner Jan Garavaglia said Friday she could not determine how Caylee died, she concluded the death was a homicide.

The child's mother, Casey Anthony, 22, faces charges including murder in the disappearance and death of Caylee, who was 2 when she vanished last summer.

The remains were found last week in woods about a half-mile from Anthony's parents' house and identified through DNA testing.  See where Caylee's skeleton was found »

The mother's defense team had claimed since her October indictment that the child might still be alive, even claiming witnesses spotted Caylee since her disappearance.

The finding of the body "has really cut the legs out of the defense," Stacey Honowitz, an assistant Florida state's attorney, said Friday night on CNN's "Larry King Live."  Watch experts size up the legal case »

The lack of a cause of death and the absence of any soft tissue on the toddler's skeletal remains poses a challenge for prosecutors, forensic expert Lawrence Kobilinsky, a defense consultant for Casey Anthony, told Larry King.

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"If you don't have a cause of death, isn't it possible that it might have been an accident?" Kobilinsky said.

A murder conviction would require proof the victim was killed intentionally. Duct tape reportedly found on the body could convince a judge or jury that Caylee's death was not an accident.

Perhaps of greater significance, though, is Casey Anthony's behavior since -- and even before -- her child went missing.

According to earlier reports, Caylee was the result of an unintended pregnancy, and Anthony made an attempt to give her up after birth. She referred to Caylee as "the little snot nose" and continued to maintain an active social life.  Follow a timeline of the case »

When Caylee went missing, Anthony did not tell her family for a month. It was the child's grandmother who called police. Anthony told conflicting stories at the beginning of the investigation, including a tale that Caylee was with a nanny. The name and address turned out to be bogus. Anthony's active social life continued as police searched for Caylee -- including one memorable entry in a "Hot Body Contest" at an Orlando bar.

Investigators said they found the scent of decomposing flesh and a trace of chloroform, a powerful knockout agent, in the trunk of a car Anthony drove at the time. Anthony's family offered various explanations, including a rotting pizza and a dead squirrel.  Watch a tribute to the little girl »

On the Anthonys' home computer, police found there had been searches for chloroform, missing children and "neck-breaking," although Garavaglia said Friday that she did not find evidence of trauma to the bones.

"The prosecution is going to have a great deal of circumstantial evidence, and this is a physical evidence case," Kobilinsky said. "This is not a question about credibility, although obviously a jury looks at credibility and contradictions, but the physical evidence will either include her or exclude Casey. It's an uphill battle for the defense."

Nevertheless, forensic expert Kathy Reichs, who also is working with Anthony's defense team, sees an opening.

"Given that there's no evidence as to the cause of death, ... you could have an accidental death and a mother that panics," she told King. "There are alternative explanations."

Perhaps not enough to save Anthony, said famed defense attorney Mark Geragos, who is not associated with the case.

"The defense will try to focus, I'm sure, on all of the forensic evidence and whatever else they can do," he told King. "But they're always going to be up against it with the 'She didn't act right' evidence, and that's the hardest thing to combat in this case."


Prosecutors don't need to show what killed Caylee, Geragos said. The defense needs to overcome Casey Anthony's statements and behavior.

"Somebody is going to have to give an explanation at some point as to when she last saw the child, who she gave the child to," he said. "And until that is done, I don't care what they put together, it's not going to carry any weight."
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[sleddogs]

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[mioyshi]

Maybe if some of the loonies who called in with their 'psychic' tips had stayed off the phone the police might have had time to really look at the more realistic tips.

I couldn't agree more, Western.

Good morning monkeys,  kudos on this post, as we actually had a local so called physic come here, 4 months after the abduction, and tell us that our missing loved one, had been calling her in her sleep. She told us she could make her own holy water, as she had a three minute course on line to gain her ministor license.

She then had us drive and follow her to a wooded area, and showed us a hidden water hole, sort of a spring. She then told us, the man shot Judith Osteen, dead and threw her into the water.
It did terrible things to us.  IT added something to the equation that was not true. It opened wounds that were attempting to subside a bit.

This so called physic was cold and callous in her statements to us. WE then asked her to see if anyone had an underwater camera, so she could get them to search there. ( we had not heard of tim miller then)
 She backed out quickly, and made many excuses. Finally, attempting to blackball me on her my space, telling people that I was trying to take her ghost customers!!!!  OMG   (like I have time to chase ghosts, I have been too busy looking for real missing people, I have walked the miles, so, I am allowed to have an opinion)  Even my opinions, I have not bothered le with, as they are in fact only my opinion.

 ..... so, maybe these "so calleds", no matter how many times they have had a vision, will just hold their tongue unless they have remains in sight. The le laugh at them behind their backs, and they do nothing more than separate all the clues that are real.

Maybe they will start a site, for clues  just for  the physics.  Then, if on a cold case, they can give their opinions.. If le is stumped, then maybe they can have a look at the thoughts, visions, or what ever they want to call it.  Aw heck, lets just make it illegal to tie up le lines with crap>>!! 

It seems every time someone is missing, a whole slew of people  come out of the wood work, seeking their instant fame, which usually backfires on them, as it did with gale st john.
I for one , will not give credit to one who claims to know where our missing loved one is.

Thanks for letting me finally tell someone about this happening to us.  mio

[Kat_Gram]

I would like one of the talking heads on the TV to ask Baez why she is silent now ?
The worst has happened, the child is harmed, why is she still silent on the identity and the circumstances of when she passed the kiddo off to some mystery nanny ? Why is she sitting in jail charged with killing her own daughter when only she has the information to bring the real killers to justice. Why does she want to let those people off the hook ? 

[Russ]

What is bothering me most is the fact they may not come up with a cause of death.  With Dr G saying what she did about no trauma to the bones, she has to believe the little girl may have been poisoned.  If she was suffocated, you cannot prove this with the remains, can you???

No, aphyxiation can only be found in the lungs *broken blood vessels* and in the eyes.

This is one of the things that bother me the most, in thinking about the length of time before 911 was called.  Plenty of time to ensure that vital organs would no longer be there to help fix the cause of death.  This smacks of *someone* smarter than Casey seems to be, helping dispose of Caylee's body.  In a weird sense, wouldn't matter where or how the body was disposed, cuz the cause of death would be hard to be determined.  But then, going with that thought, it's hard to explain why identifying things were included with Caylee body's.  Mind boggling at best.  It's as if part of it was thought out, part of it wasn't.  And that kind of thinking leads me back to Casey acting alone. 

   

I think she is stunned that the body had not been found. I figure she thought it would be found in due course, but as time went on she got stronger with the realization that she might never be found.  She was probably perplexed and amused that the body was right down the street, how in the world was she not found.  Maybe she even thought a garbage pickup crew threw the bag in the back of a truck and whisked her to the dump.  This is why I think Cindy went on a mission to drive Tim out because they all knew the body was somewhere close.

She turned red in jail and needed a sedative when it was said a body was found near the home on the 11th.  I think everything crumbled at that point.  She turned red because of embarrassment, since I think she may run around in a woman' body but she is merely a child and childlike in her brain.  She is more worried about how her family will react.  This is why after notification she turned down the visit from her family clergy and ran right to the man in her life now, Baez.

[NO1ZMONKEY]

Hello monkeys, I have a question for some of you legal eagles.  Let's say she confesses, does she have to tell exactly how she did it?  I mean, does she have to give all the gory details or can she just say I did it and that is all and say no more????

In re the meter reader:  Is he a psychic and what was his first tip?  How did he come about this information?  Sounds very odd to me.  I am so happy he found Caylee but there is more here than meets the eye or ear. 

We will learn more once the LE gives up all the information.

Lastly, I would have liked to see the face of Casey when informed the remains were that of her daughter.  Oh, I believe she already knew, that is why she had to be sedated.

Mariloo- Obviously they cant get this broad to say anything, and they day she wanted to talk her lawyer hushed her up, but in case she ever does tell, she will have to recant her new story, and give it in writing, she doesnt have to answer anything, she can basically start her lie all over again *it will be used in court*..but she could confess now, i hope she doesnt, so she can be embarrassed during those months of court proceedings

   If she were offered a deal at this point I would hope the DA would ask for a polygraph first then hear what she says.  I would make the deal contingent on her truthfulness.  If she is convicted (when) she will not be considered for parole unless she admits to her quilt.

Cheeky- I sure hope they dont offer her a deal, but even if they did, a polygraph wouldnt do anything for them because it is not admissable in court, also if she receives murder1 there is no parole whatsoever

I know it wouldn't be admissable in court but if they were to agree to any sort of deal where she tells what happened they could ask for a polygraph to help ensure she is telling the truth.  The other point was if there is no deal and she is convicted and get life w/ parole she will not be considered unless she admists her quilt - goes to rehabilitation.

Cheeky- ya i understood what u meant, IMO the prosecution doesnt need her. **im watching when caylee vanished**... Also if she does get convicted, she WILL NOT get parole. there is no murder 1 in florida with parole. its either DP or L w/out Parole

[Wyks]

Remember that Cindy said Caylee's father is Eric N..

Found this collage on another forum, it's of Eric and Caylee.  Interesting to say the least. 

Wow wykes. he is a dead ringer to me in my book of possible sperm donors....the nose is dead on

I agree!  There's a pic near the middle where their eyes and mouth look very similiar too, and in the bottom right corner (have to scroll right a bit), their mouths are very similiar.  It's crazy-making to see this, and remember how similiar to JP that Caylee's looks as well. 

[NO1ZMONKEY]

What is bothering me most is the fact they may not come up with a cause of death.  With Dr G saying what she did about no trauma to the bones, she has to believe the little girl may have been poisoned.  If she was suffocated, you cannot prove this with the remains, can you???

No, aphyxiation can only be found in the lungs *broken blood vessels* and in the eyes.

This is one of the things that bother me the most, in thinking about the length of time before 911 was called.  Plenty of time to ensure that vital organs would no longer be there to help fix the cause of death.  This smacks of *someone* smarter than Casey seems to be, helping dispose of Caylee's body.  In a weird sense, wouldn't matter where or how the body was disposed, cuz the cause of death would be hard to be determined.  But then, going with that thought, it's hard to explain why identifying things were included with Caylee body's.  Mind boggling at best.  It's as if part of it was thought out, part of it wasn't.  And that kind of thinking leads me back to Casey acting alone. 

   

I think she is stunned that the body had not been found. I figure she thought it would be found in due course, but as time went on she got stronger with the realization that she might never be found.  She was probably perplexed and amused that the body was right down the street, how in the world was she not found.  Maybe she even thought a garbage pickup crew threw the bag in the back of a truck and whisked her to the dump.  This is why I think Cindy went on a mission to drive Tim out because they all knew the body was somewhere close.

RUSS ur on it!! thats why i think they drove out tim miller and leonard padilla. I think Tim Miller is going to be a wonderful credible character witness on behalf of the prosecution. THANK GOD FOR HIM. He has seen so many families *900* with missing children, and he felt akward at there home..thats interesting

She turned red in jail and needed a sedative when it was said a body was found near the home on the 11th.  I think everything crumbled at that point.  She turned red because of embarrassment, since I think she may run around in a woman' body but she is merely a child and childlike in her brain.  She is more worried about how her family will react.  This is why after notification she turned down the visit from her family clergy and ran right to the man in her life now, Baez.

[stayhomemommy]

Maybe if some of the loonies who called in with their 'psychic' tips had stayed off the phone the police might have had time to really look at the more realistic tips.

I couldn't agree more, Western.

Good morning monkeys,  kudos on this post, as we actually had a local so called physic come here, 4 months after the abduction, and tell us that our missing loved one, had been calling her in her sleep. She told us she could make her own holy water, as she had a three minute course on line to gain her ministor license.

She then had us drive and follow her to a wooded area, and showed us a hidden water hole, sort of a spring. She then told us, the man shot Judith Osteen, dead and threw her into the water.
It did terrible things to us.  IT added something to the equation that was not true. It opened wounds that were attempting to subside a bit.

This so called physic was cold and callous in her statements to us. WE then asked her to see if anyone had an underwater camera, so she could get them to search there. ( we had not heard of tim miller then)
 She backed out quickly, and made many excuses. Finally, attempting to blackball me on her my space, telling people that I was trying to take her ghost customers!!!!  OMG   (like I have time to chase ghosts, I have been too busy looking for real missing people, I have walked the miles, so, I am allowed to have an opinion)  Even my opinions, I have not bothered le with, as they are in fact only my opinion.

 ..... so, maybe these "so calleds", no matter how many times they have had a vision, will just hold their tongue unless they have remains in sight. The le laugh at them behind their backs, and they do nothing more than separate all the clues that are real.

Maybe they will start a site, for clues  just for  the physics.  Then, if on a cold case, they can give their opinions.. If le is stumped, then maybe they can have a look at the thoughts, visions, or what ever they want to call it.  Aw heck, lets just make it illegal to tie up le lines with crap>>!! 

It seems every time someone is missing, a whole slew of people  come out of the wood work, seeking their instant fame, which usually backfires on them, as it did with gale st john.
I for one , will not give credit to one who claims to know where our missing loved one is.

Thanks for letting me finally tell someone about this happening to us.  mio

Mioyshi, first let me just say how sorry I am you had such an experience that just added salt to an open wound.

As for your idea, I think it's wonderful! I think having a separate tip line (web page or else) for psychics, or those who have dreams, etc, is an excellent idea!

[no rose colored glasses]

Remember that Cindy said Caylee's father is Eric N..

Found this collage on another forum, it's of Eric and Caylee.  Interesting to say the least. 

Wow wykes. he is a dead ringer to me in my book of possible sperm donors....the nose is dead on

I agree!  There's a pic near the middle where their eyes and mouth look very similiar too, and in the bottom right corner (have to scroll right a bit), their mouths are very similiar.  It's crazy-making to see this, and remember how similiar to JP that Caylee's looks as well. 

Do you know when she put this together? It would seem perhaps this is the father, why else put a collage like this together?

[KarmaRoundUp]

Okay everyone! Now that we know for a fact where Casey dumped Caylee's body; what in the hell was she doing in all those remote locations we tracked on all the cellphone pings maps!!! Does anyone have any ideas of what she was doing out there in the middle of the night? Looking for alternate dump spots? Meeting clients? Drug transactions? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT??????!!!!!! 

So much time and effort was put into the cell phone pings and our little princess was found almost in her backyard.

KC hated being home and around her family. I think she just drove around to get away....no wonder she always ran out of gas!

Also, I was thinking last night that KC may have "stored" Caylee's body elsewhere before dumping it.

I was thinking that as well, but if not in the backyard, how will LE ever know for sure if it was one of those far out locations!!??? 

IMO Casey did keep Caylee somewhere while she drove around, that is why she had such an advanced state of decomp in her car, but not the first stages..JMO. I think she kept her in the turtle sandbox, it has a lid and the cadaver dogs hit the backyard. Im thinking Casey knew her parents like the back of her hand, she knew if she and caylee were not home, her parents wouldnt touch the sandbox and caylee could be discretly kept there. again JMO

But the experts have stated that decomp was in the early stages,2.6 days and I don't think the dogs hit on the sandbox....they hit on Caylee's little play house?

Didn't the dogs hit in both places Karma? I know when they were walking around in the backyard with Greta,Cindy said the dogs hit by the sandbox.She pointed there and Greta even said,"This is a sandbox"? Maybe Casey was laying her in both places not knowing what to do.In a state of panic maybe?I dunno...

That's true Tater,I remember now the dogs hit at both places and around the pool.

[Hudsunn]

Is everyone getting the vibes I am getting from the Conway statement?  It seems to me that the Anthonys are now waiting for the truth and they do not care which direction it goes.  If it is their daughter who did this, so be it.  I hope this is their reaction.  They need the truth, not lies.  I am sure that the recognition that their little granddaughter was tossed in a trash bag and then into the woods for bugs and animals to tear at is haunting to them.  They should want the person who did this punished, even if it is their own daughter, and I hope they do.