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CapsLockWizard
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Caps
If you are looking for info on the term "The News" as we have done before, you must be thinking of Julia Renfro. I think she actually referred to her media offices as The News. Then again, I could be wrong. What is MP? For those that may not know.
Thanks for asking...I wasn't sure, but thought I missed it somewhere in here.
What I need is who are The News. The mayor players
and the relation ship with the Brickel bay hotel.
Lets say the god of The News... the man himself or some big power in that organisation
I, too, cannot say if the News, whether a paper or otherwise has a relationship with Brickel Bay. It would be no surprise if there is/was a relationship....I'm sure you've already seen this below.
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_search.afp
Trade name
Branch Dossier#
Establishment
BRICKEL BAY BEACH CLUB N.V.
HOTELS 27525/000
BRICKEL BAY HOLDING
HOLDING AND MANAGEMENT COMPANIES 34297/000
BRICKEL BAY REAL ESTATE N.V.
ADMINISTRATORS OF REAL ESTATE 27472/000
BRICKELL FINANCE AND TRADE CORPORATION *
A.V.V.S 13240/000
All linked to Walter & Michael Posner, with the last being stricken from the record July, 2005, which to me is very strange.
now look at C & C
Yes....C & C was shut down sometime last year. Found nothing and also an old record for Senor Frog's which was closed in 2003 (rumor was that C&C was to reopen as Senor Frog's, again). Grupo Anderson doesn't come up. Not sure if I'm searching for the right name.
C+C's was still open as of 12/20/2007. It is now closed and believe it has opened as Senior Frogs.
Are the same owners involved in the operation.. or that change the partners.
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Quote from: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 11:14:42 AM
For those with the rev4 manual
item item 83 and 84
item 84 will close this book almost
Alibi = beth lie
I know this will be a touchi subject... but it is notting compare what has been done..
Is the News a paper in Aruba
check who owns it and its relations ships.
Julia Renfro
LA Times - Carol J. Williams
June 4, 2007
A mother of four, Renfro spent weeks shuttling the family from the scene of one rumored development to another but eventually became disenchanted with what she saw as Twitty's pandering to tabloid TV and "flat-out lies" she told on the air.
"I feel guilty saying any negative thing about a mother who has lost her daughter," Renfro said. "But her behavior was odd from the get-go."
<snip>
ARUBA TODAY
Julia Renfro….Editor
ISLAND TEMPTATIONS Magazine
Julia Renfro….Photography
Heleen Bongers…..Editor
WATERSPORT Co. Owners
Julia Renfro
There is an ARUBA NEWS printed and published by the Tourism Authority. j/b
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CapsLockWizard wrote;
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Are the same owners involved in the operation.. or that change the partners.
Not terribly official but according to ArubaAmy the management is one in the same. I do know that as of 12/20 the place was still operating ,nothing was moved out ie bar items.
Posted on: 6:36 pm, March 02, 2008
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They are just switching over to a Senor Frog's (owned by the same company - same similar concept.)
http://tinyurl.com/2j2mvj
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Quote from: jackb on March 31, 2008, 03:34:36 PM
Quote from: Blonde on March 31, 2008, 02:00:36 PM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 11:31:04 AM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 11:14:42 AM
For those with the rev4 manual
item item 83 and 84
item 84 will close this book almost
Alibi = beth lie
I know this will be a touchi subject... but it is notting compare what has been done..
Is the News a paper in Aruba
check who owns it and its relations ships.
Julia Renfro
LA Times - Carol J. Williams
June 4, 2007
A mother of four, Renfro spent weeks shuttling the family from the scene of one rumored development to another but eventually became disenchanted with what she saw as Twitty's pandering to tabloid TV and "flat-out lies" she told on the air.
"I feel guilty saying any negative thing about a mother who has lost her daughter," Renfro said. "But her behavior was odd from the get-go."
<snip>
ARUBA TODAY
Julia Renfro….Editor
ISLAND TEMPTATIONS Magazine
Julia Renfro….Photography
Heleen Bongers…..Editor
WATERSPORT Co. Owners
Julia Renfro
There is an ARUBA NEWS printed and published by the Tourism Authority. j/b
said managing director for the Aruba Tourism Authority, Myrna Jansen. ... said CEO of the Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association, Jorge Pesquera. .
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Quote from: SS on March 31, 2008, 03:32:55 PM
Some very interesting information about the Harms and Mansur families. It sounds like the Mansur's control the tobacco, gambling, and drugs on Aruba. I have heard that Jossy's niece is married to Rudy Croes.
Could Jossy have been there that night?
http://www.publicintegrity.org/Report.aspx?aid=355
http://www.public-i.org/Content.aspx?src=search&context=article&id=579
http://duncan.gn.apc.org/bat/Health_Committee_Evidence_1.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jossy_Mansur
http://thekomisarscoop.com/1997/05/29/drug-smugglers-dutch-treat/
They use the news media to fool everybody about the truth.... now there is a war between the Diario and Bondia...and DirtyHand is the one that play the war games.
Now back to the Lions
The one that defend the Lions is Briezen, Now on the night in question. Where was those that support the Lions - Lowenstein group. Some one in the oduber cabinet was there between the party-go-er.
About the Garderners... Where do they work.
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Quote from: jackb on March 31, 2008, 03:34:36 PM
Quote from: Blonde on March 31, 2008, 02:00:36 PM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 11:31:04 AM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 11:14:42 AM
For those with the rev4 manual
item item 83 and 84
item 84 will close this book almost
Alibi = beth lie
I know this will be a touchi subject... but it is notting compare what has been done..
Is the News a paper in Aruba
check who owns it and its relations ships.
Julia Renfro
LA Times - Carol J. Williams
June 4, 2007
A mother of four, Renfro spent weeks shuttling the family from the scene of one rumored development to another but eventually became disenchanted with what she saw as Twitty's pandering to tabloid TV and "flat-out lies" she told on the air.
"I feel guilty saying any negative thing about a mother who has lost her daughter," Renfro said. "But her behavior was odd from the get-go."
<snip>
ARUBA TODAY
Julia Renfro….Editor
ISLAND TEMPTATIONS Magazine
Julia Renfro….Photography
Heleen Bongers…..Editor
WATERSPORT Co. Owners
Julia Renfro
There is an ARUBA NEWS printed and published by the Tourism Authority. j/b
said managing director for the Aruba Tourism Authority, Myrna Jansen. ... said CEO of the Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association, Jorge Pesquera. .
JOrge Pesquera - Hold on that name he is one of them party-go-er...what is his Alibi any one know?
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Jossy Mehsen Mansur (Aruba, June 7, 1934) is a descendant from an originally Lebanese family, which settled on the island of Aruba. He is the editor of the Papiamento-language newspaper Diario in Aruba. Jossy Mansur has written two dictionaries for the Papiamento language and has written a history of Aruba among other numerous other books.
Powerful Aruban business family
The Mansur family made its fortune as cigarette manufacturers and in the import-export business. With a licence of Philip Morris, they were the major suppliers of Marlboro in the Caribbean basin for many years (the licence has been withdrawn). The Mansurs sponsored the best baseball team – Aruba's national sport – the Marlboro Red Tigers as well as the Aruban People's Party (Arubaanse Volkspartij, AVP) of former Prime Minister Henny Eman.[1][2] They owned their own bank, the Interbank, and the biggest hotel and time-sharing complex, La Cabana, and the Royal Cabana casino. And they have a couple of import-export businesses in the Free Trade Zone.[3]
US President Bill Clinton in 1996 publicly identified Aruba "as a major drug-transit country" and noted that "a substantial portion of the free-zone's businesses in Aruba are owned and operated by members of the Mansur family, who have been indicted in the United States on charges of conspiracy to launder trafficking proceeds."[4] In the late 1980s, an investigator for Senator John Kerry's committee investigating the Iran-Contra Affair, interviewing drug traffickers in a West Miami prison kept hearing about the Mansurs. "Who are the Mansurs?" he would ask. Answer: "The big family in Aruba we used for laundering money and moving cocaine."[5]
Philip Morris International broke its contract with the Mansurs at the end of 1998 "for business reasons." A source close to the family said the two sides agreed to a $22 million settlement and that the Mansurs continue to work with Philip Morris' non-tobacco product lines.[6]
Alleged involvement in cigarette smuggling and money laundering
The Mansur family was involved in cigarette smuggling from Aruba to Colombia. For over 50 years, Philip Morris' main distributor in Latin America was the Mansur Free Zone Trading Company, NV. Cigarettes were shipped to Aruba or Panamanian free trade zones operated by the Mansurs and then into Colombia's special customs zone, Maicao, just across the border from Venezuela. One of Philip Morris main distributors within Colombia was Samuel Santander Lopesierra, at one time a senator in the Liberal Party. Dubbed "the Marlboro Man" by the Colombian media, in reference to his alleged cigarette smuggling activities, Lopesierra is named in a U.S. federal court affidavit filed in conjunction with the Mansur money-laundering indictment.[3][6][7]
According to a report of the Venezuelan intelligence agency, the DISIP, "in Venezuela the Mansurs are implicated in money laundering with Lopesierra.[8][9] Every month Lopesierra 're-invested' 20 million dollar 'with the help of a well-known entrepreneur called Mansur'."[10] Lopesierra is named in a U.S. federal court affidavit filed in conjunction with the Mansur money-laundering indictment. In that affidavit, an FBI agent working undercover says he was told by Jaime Tovar, one of the original defendants in the Mansur indictment, that Lopesierra was part of a scheme to convert narco dollars into shipments of goods bound for Colombia.[7] Lopesierra was arrested for drug trafficking in October 2002 and extradited to the US in August 2003.[11][12] He was convicted for conspiring to unlawfully import cocaine into the United States. Lopesierra and his group were responsible for smuggling shipments of hundreds of kilograms of cocaine into the United States, and for laundering the proceeds so they could be repatriated through Puerto Rico, New York, and Miami back to Colombia.[13]
The Mansur family has gained international prominence for alleged money laundering. Two family members, the cousins Eric and Alex Mansur, have been indicted by the U.S. attorney in Puerto Rico. They reportedly funneled US$500,000 in campaign cash to Colombian President Ernesto Samper through the wife of a jailed Cali cartel boss during the 1994 election campaign. Mr. Samper denied it. The Mansurs subsequently were awarded a monopoly for Colombian gambling, which was canceled in 1997 by a government watchdog agency that smelled impropriety.[5][14][15]
Sueing the Netherlands
In 1999 Jossy Mansur and his brother Luis Mansur sued the Netherlands government before the United Nations Human Rights Committee for disseminating what the Aruban government termed a top secret report that claimed that the Mansurs were involved in organized crime. The report by the Dutch Internal Security Service draws a picture of security in Aruba and mentions that foreign services fighting crime in the region are almost unanimous in their opinion that the predominant image of the Aruban business community is one of joint services towards (laundering specialists of) regional drug cartels.[16]
The report mentions the Mansurs by name and portrays them as criminals who were associated with criminal organizations involved in drugs trafficking, gun trafficking and laundering money obtained from criminal activities. Despite the fact that the report was classified as top secret it was leaked to the press and its contents became public. The suit was dismissed on procedural grounds for failure to exhaust Mansur's civil remedies in the Netherlands courts.[16]
Newspaper editor
Mansur is known for his weekly editorials which are often critical of the local government of Prime Minister Nelson Oduber. The ongoing disagreement between Mansur and Oduber dates back many years. During the election campaign in 2001, Oduber's party even had stickers made stating "Don’t believe Diario."[17]
Mansur has strongly advocated a point of view in the cases of Eduardo Mathew and Natalee Holloway. He appeared regularly on Fox News and Nancy Grace's CNN Headline News show commenting on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Aruba in 2005. Mansur formed his own "investigative team" and his newspaper repeatedly published new leads. According to some observers, Mansur latched onto the bandwagon as part of his own feud with the Aruban government.[18]
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March 31, 2008, 03:55:17 PM »
lets make it simple.
I need a list of all that was a suspect in the Natalee case including top offecials that left the Island.
that will make the search of the party-goe-es easy. and that like to gambel. Their was an illegal casino that night in cuestion. Gambling for the Elite.
So that night when the Aruba population was being entertain by this Soul Beach Festival, The elites are beeing entertained by this iligal Casino Gambling party where they mest contracted several casino workers depend what table they have. and some waiters.
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March 31, 2008, 03:58:44 PM »
The Villas owned by ARS group.
Julia Renfro has a variety of interests in Aruba besides being the editor-in-chief of Aruba Today News Magazine and the Photo Journalists for it's sister newpaper Bon Dia.
It seems she is the contact for Windsurfing competition on Aruba.
She is connected to Aruba Travel Guide.
World-wide Travel Guide
Island Temptations.
Aruba Rentals
Sailing
And the ARS Group.
The ARS Group and World-Wide Travel Guide may be related to each other as they both cover the same types of activities but it seems that the business grew from Aruba to World-Wide.
These groups handle many types of businesses including yacht rentals, The Screamer, real estate, Villa rentals, apartments, office space, virtual offices and corporates identities, Business services to include...
Administration Services
Architectural Services
Business Brokerage Services
Car Rental Services
Charters
Cellular Phone Rental
Commercial or Residential Real Estate Services
Concierge & Reservations Services
Conference Room
Fax and Copy Services
Financial Services
Fiscal Services
Internet Services
Insurance Services
Julia has one main competitor on Aruba. That is Diario-Aruba owned by Jossy Mansur. The Mansur family has a colorful background that has been made very public with the help of Ms. Renfro and her media contacts. Ms. Renfro's background on the other hand has been kept secret.
Let's look at a few things that Ms. Renfro has had to say about this case.
"Locally there was never even a mention or a breath of concern that this was a racial issue nor a status issue," Renfro said. HUMMMMM Does 'locally' mean the Dutch community?
"It was not 200 people protesting. It was 200 people demonstrating what Aruba was about, the friendliness of the island, that Aruba was turning into a welcome mat that was just being absolutely stepped on." So it was NOT a protest but in her next breath she says....
"No question about it. I was there at the protest demonstration. And it was all about, this is who we are. This is our justice system. We believe in our justice system. Let it prevail." OK, Julia which was it? An Unbiased view.
Do you want to guess who the gardener works for?
The boss that he told about the suspicious car and the 3 young men hiding in it on the night Natalee disappeared? Can you imagine why this native Aruban was afraid to come forward when his boss said that she would inform her good friend the Chief Police Commissioner.
http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/does-julia-renfro-have-vested-interest.html
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Joseph Pesquera
, the president and CEO of the AHATA is reported to to be hired by the Palm Beach, FL Convention and Visitors Bureau. This is just another example of tourism at all cost and the hell with victims rights. No one would even know who Joseph Pesquera was if it were not for the unfortunate story of 18 year old Alabama teenager missing in Aruba. And for that, Joseph Pesquera is praised and rewarded with his efforts in the case of missing and presumed dead Natalee Holloway
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/07/19/jorge-pesquera-president-ceo-of-the-aruba-hotel-and-tourism-association-to-be-hired-by-palm-beach-convention-and-visitors-bureau-part-i/
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Quote from: SS on March 31, 2008, 03:50:15 PM
Jossy Mehsen Mansur (Aruba, June 7, 1934) is a descendant from an originally Lebanese family, which settled on the island of Aruba. He is the editor of the Papiamento-language newspaper Diario in Aruba. Jossy Mansur has written two dictionaries for the Papiamento language and has written a history of Aruba among other numerous other books.
Powerful Aruban business family
The Mansur family made its fortune as cigarette manufacturers and in the import-export business. With a licence of Philip Morris, they were the major suppliers of Marlboro in the Caribbean basin for many years (the licence has been withdrawn). The Mansurs sponsored the best baseball team – Aruba's national sport – the Marlboro Red Tigers as well as the Aruban People's Party (Arubaanse Volkspartij, AVP) of former Prime Minister Henny Eman.[1][2] They owned their own bank, the Interbank, and the biggest hotel and time-sharing complex, La Cabana, and the Royal Cabana casino. And they have a couple of import-export businesses in the Free Trade Zone.[3]
US President Bill Clinton in 1996 publicly identified Aruba "as a major drug-transit country" and noted that "a substantial portion of the free-zone's businesses in Aruba are owned and operated by members of the Mansur family, who have been indicted in the United States on charges of conspiracy to launder trafficking proceeds."[4] In the late 1980s, an investigator for Senator John Kerry's committee investigating the Iran-Contra Affair, interviewing drug traffickers in a West Miami prison kept hearing about the Mansurs. "Who are the Mansurs?" he would ask. Answer: "The big family in Aruba we used for laundering money and moving cocaine."[5]
Philip Morris International broke its contract with the Mansurs at the end of 1998 "for business reasons." A source close to the family said the two sides agreed to a $22 million settlement and that the Mansurs continue to work with Philip Morris' non-tobacco product lines.[6]
Alleged involvement in cigarette smuggling and money laundering
The Mansur family was involved in cigarette smuggling from Aruba to Colombia. For over 50 years, Philip Morris' main distributor in Latin America was the Mansur Free Zone Trading Company, NV. Cigarettes were shipped to Aruba or Panamanian free trade zones operated by the Mansurs and then into Colombia's special customs zone, Maicao, just across the border from Venezuela. One of Philip Morris main distributors within Colombia was Samuel Santander Lopesierra, at one time a senator in the Liberal Party. Dubbed "the Marlboro Man" by the Colombian media, in reference to his alleged cigarette smuggling activities, Lopesierra is named in a U.S. federal court affidavit filed in conjunction with the Mansur money-laundering indictment.[3][6][7]
According to a report of the Venezuelan intelligence agency, the DISIP, "in Venezuela the Mansurs are implicated in money laundering with Lopesierra.[8][9] Every month Lopesierra 're-invested' 20 million dollar 'with the help of a well-known entrepreneur called Mansur'."[10] Lopesierra is named in a U.S. federal court affidavit filed in conjunction with the Mansur money-laundering indictment. In that affidavit, an FBI agent working undercover says he was told by Jaime Tovar, one of the original defendants in the Mansur indictment, that Lopesierra was part of a scheme to convert narco dollars into shipments of goods bound for Colombia.[7] Lopesierra was arrested for drug trafficking in October 2002 and extradited to the US in August 2003.[11][12] He was convicted for conspiring to unlawfully import cocaine into the United States. Lopesierra and his group were responsible for smuggling shipments of hundreds of kilograms of cocaine into the United States, and for laundering the proceeds so they could be repatriated through Puerto Rico, New York, and Miami back to Colombia.[13]
The Mansur family has gained international prominence for alleged money laundering. Two family members, the cousins Eric and Alex Mansur, have been indicted by the U.S. attorney in Puerto Rico. They reportedly funneled US$500,000 in campaign cash to Colombian President Ernesto Samper through the wife of a jailed Cali cartel boss during the 1994 election campaign. Mr. Samper denied it. The Mansurs subsequently were awarded a monopoly for Colombian gambling, which was canceled in 1997 by a government watchdog agency that smelled impropriety.[5][14][15]
Sueing the Netherlands
In 1999 Jossy Mansur and his brother Luis Mansur sued the Netherlands government before the United Nations Human Rights Committee for disseminating what the Aruban government termed a top secret report that claimed that the Mansurs were involved in organized crime. The report by the Dutch Internal Security Service draws a picture of security in Aruba and mentions that foreign services fighting crime in the region are almost unanimous in their opinion that the predominant image of the Aruban business community is one of joint services towards (laundering specialists of) regional drug cartels.[16]
The report mentions the Mansurs by name and portrays them as criminals who were associated with criminal organizations involved in drugs trafficking, gun trafficking and laundering money obtained from criminal activities. Despite the fact that the report was classified as top secret it was leaked to the press and its contents became public. The suit was dismissed on procedural grounds for failure to exhaust Mansur's civil remedies in the Netherlands courts.[16]
Newspaper editor
Mansur is known for his weekly editorials which are often critical of the local government of Prime Minister Nelson Oduber. The ongoing disagreement between Mansur and Oduber dates back many years. During the election campaign in 2001, Oduber's party even had stickers made stating "Don’t believe Diario."[17]
Mansur has strongly advocated a point of view in the cases of Eduardo Mathew and Natalee Holloway. He appeared regularly on Fox News and Nancy Grace's CNN Headline News show commenting on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Aruba in 2005. Mansur formed his own "investigative team" and his newspaper repeatedly published new leads. According to some observers, Mansur latched onto the bandwagon as part of his own feud with the Aruban government.[18]
Newspaper editor
Mansur is known for his weekly editorials which are often critical of the local government of Prime Minister Nelson Oduber. The ongoing disagreement between Mansur and Oduber dates back many years. During the election campaign in 2001, Oduber's party even had stickers made stating "Don’t believe Diario."[17]
Take Julia Renfro, The news,
Take Mansur form The diario
Take Oduber from the government
from this list , who is most likely that will deceive the beth or the holloways
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Jossy: We have dedicated at least 6 reporters, everything we report is fact
Crier: I understand that your nephew employed the gardener
Jossy: I think it very strange for people to expect me to know the name of every person that may be working for the family. A large family of over 30 households This
gardener
was not picked out by me Art Wood found him after 2 1/2 weeks of searching, interviewed him Took him with my son to the police to be interrogated I didn’t know he worked for my nephew, but it turns out he does.
Im sure jossy's Nehpew would not tell the owner of the largest paper on two islands and his uncle about the crime of the century on aruba -- which the
gardner
told jossy's nephew 2 days after the crime.
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Take Julia Renfro, The news,
Take Mansur form The diario
Take Oduber from the government
JULIA RENFRO & ODUBER WOULD & DID
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Caps, I know Julia Renfro deceived Beth.
I know Oduber deceived Beth.
Are you asking if Jossy did too?
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Quote from: Blonde on March 31, 2008, 04:10:08 PM
Jossy: We have dedicated at least 6 reporters, everything we report is fact
Crier: I understand that your nephew employed the gardener
Jossy: I think it very strange for people to expect me to know the name of every person that may be working for the family. A large family of over 30 households This
gardener
was not picked out by me Art Wood found him after 2 1/2 weeks of searching, interviewed him Took him with my son to the police to be interrogated I didn’t know he worked for my nephew, but it turns out he does.
Im sure jossy's Nehpew would not tell the owner of the largest paper on two islands and his uncle about the crime of the century on aruba -- which the
gardner
told jossy's nephew 2 days after the crime.
I just want to be sure about the news company or person that deceive the beth
The The garderners work for the Nephew...a name for the gardeners.
the names of the gardeners....anyone....
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According to Julia Renfro, the gardener worked for her. Jossy Mansur says the gardener worked for his nephew. It's like an SAT question... Julia Renfro is connected to Jossy's nephew - her husband?
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I hate to say Jossy. I think Beth would likely disagree with the fact that Jossy would be likely to deceive......but in looking only at facts Jossy played a very important role. He is a powerful man and provided many leads and tips. It was his reporter Tiel that allegedly was following Natalee in a car, and then in a helicopter get away. It was Jossy that announced Karin Jansen "Woman of the Year" and he did so sincerely ....I still like to think it was a joke. Jossy has his finger on the pulse of the heartbeat of Aruba. He could easily have been
found to have an agenda. I am still not certain that Jossy wasn't infact having Joran and the pimps followedprior to Natalee going missing. Speculation of course. I think he knew of their shenanigans and was waiting for leverage. I hate to say Jossy.....JMO
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Quote from: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 04:21:17 PM
Quote from: Blonde on March 31, 2008, 04:10:08 PM
Jossy: We have dedicated at least 6 reporters, everything we report is fact
Crier: I understand that your nephew employed the gardener
Jossy: I think it very strange for people to expect me to know the name of every person that may be working for the family. A large family of over 30 households This
gardener
was not picked out by me Art Wood found him after 2 1/2 weeks of searching, interviewed him Took him with my son to the police to be interrogated I didn’t know he worked for my nephew, but it turns out he does.
Im sure jossy's Nehpew would not tell the owner of the largest paper on two islands and his uncle about the crime of the century on aruba -- which the
gardner
told jossy's nephew 2 days after the crime.
I just want to be sure about the news company or person that deceive the beth
The The garderners work for the Nephew...a name for the gardeners.
the names of the gardeners....anyone....
was the gardner Carlos Ramos?
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Quote from: Rob on March 31, 2008, 04:16:56 PM
Caps, I know Julia Renfro deceived Beth.
I know Oduber deceived Beth.
Are you asking if Jossy did too?
I know that Renfro did and Odeber did...
I just want to make sure that I have the bases covers since that are more than one news media on Aruba.
From the News Media it was The News and that equate to the to the key I was missing.
Now for the Garderners names
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PROCESS – VERBAL
I, Shaniro Baldrik KELLY, sergeant at the Korps Police force Aruba and at the investigative district classified 2, explain the following.
On Tuesday, July 26, 2005 around 17:30, I, KELLY showed, at the police force guard North, to the witness C.A. PENATA RAMOS, the seized gray Honda Civic belonging to the suspect D.S. KALPOE.
The car became of interest in the search of the missing girl Natalee Holloway and was intentionally seized.
C.A. PENATA RAMOS explained thereby this:
I recognize the car which you now show me as the car in which I had seen the three boys on the night of Monday. It is the car in which I had spoken in my declaration.
W.n.g.C.A. PENATA RAMOS
After I, KELLY, read the declaration of the witness to him in Spanish, he explained that he would not sign it.
He explained that he will grant no further collaboration to the police force.
Of which by me, KELLY, on oath of office made up this warrant which has been closed and has been signed at Bubali on 26 July 2005.
Signed,
S.B. KELLY
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