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He also questioned the fact that blame was assigned to the police by saying that the suspect did not declare the whole truth to the Police. Mr Jorg asked if t his is not a choice that the suspect himself makes? He remarked that he was asking himself how a child can get it in his head to go weeks without giving a statement to the police.

I'm just shocked as to how in the f*** I guy who was not too long ago a suspect in the disappearance (and assumed murder) of an American girl be in any way imployed by a justice system...regardless of how irrellevant that country is?

Anyone?

This was in Diario back in January:

Posted: Tue Jan 16th, 2007 06:53 am
Some say the decision could come sooner, but the official word is that it will come on February 6, 2007 in the morning.

Yesterday the supreme court handled the case in which the Prosecutor's Office appealed the case in which mr. P. vd S. was awarded over Afls. 50.000,- in a case where the judge agreed that there was no reason for his detention. When the Prosecutor's Office appealed the case, the lawyers for vd. S. also did the same.

The Prosecutor's Office, defended by mr. Jorg insisted that vd. S. was not entitled to any money, since there were reasons to detained the person, but the lawyer for vd. S. mr. Swaen refused this and said that the amount due is nothing compared to the damages his client suffered during this ordeal.

The three judges will evaluate the case and the decision made in Curacao next month.

Somebody please pass Paulus a towel, he seems to be sweating again! :lol:  :lol:

Maybe this Mr.Jorg is a thorn in PVDS' side????

Must have been a tough call for Pravda...err...Bon Dia to print this.

Jorg is defending the *system*, though. Maybe the Sloot/Aruba seperation is finally happening.

Medleyrelay and Glenda - read this!  :lol:

This is a recap of the speech. It could be noted in the courtroom that the color of mr. Van Der Sloot changed, showing that he did not find himself comfortable. Many lawyers had comments on the reaction of mr. Jorg. Some lawyers opine that it was not the place nor the time to make this speech while other lawyers find it strange that mr. Jorg made such a speech but that mr. Van Sloot himself asked for it.

 :lol:  :smt046  :smt044

 :lol:  :smt046  :smt044

Wonder if PVDS felt like a child again, lol  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/PaulusSpanked.jpg)

Wonder if PVDS felt like a child again, lol  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/PaulusSpanked.jpg)

 :lol: He sure looks like a child be scolded for something he did wrong.

nonesuche - very cool cookies  :lol:

ldstlou - I haven't found that article yet.  I think it was some time in January though.  He said something against the public prosecutor or DA.

hey just wait, bikinis are next and they won't be without 'form' if you know what I mean  :lol:

hey just wait, bikinis are next and they won't be without 'form' if you know what I mean  :lol:

I so wish Jossy could put that photo on the FP of the Amigo, along with Anita in her see-through blouse, call it the freudian slip  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

hey just wait, bikinis are next and they won't be without 'form' if you know what I mean  :lol:

some I made and some I didn't, the tiny ones like the sunglasses I didn't but I made that surfboard and those beach towels myself  8)

klaas will like these too  :wink:
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/6304a82b.jpg)

we'll have to redo the photos tomorrow when it's not raining

Put some hawaiin looking flowers on your surfboards.   :wink:

Put some hawaiin looking flowers on your surfboards.   :wink:

some I made and some I didn't, the tiny ones like the sunglasses I didn't but I made that surfboard and those beach towels myself  8)

klaas will like these too  :wink:
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/6304a82b.jpg)

we'll have to redo the photos tomorrow when it's not raining

Nonesuche those cookies look so good.  Great job.

thank you my little sweet tater, I haven't graduated to gun cookies yet but I need to work on a San special  :lol:  :lol:

San maybe I name yours the Aruba San Special?  :lol:  :lol:

San - you need to get yourself a t-shirt with this on it, lol  :lol:

http://images.libertyoutlet.com/samples/s-fortunecookie.jpg


http://tinyurl.com/ynrnyd

I went to physical therapy today and I had on my Grumpy t-shirt.  He looked and said I don't see you as Grumpy.  I turned to him and said you haven't seen me at home. :lol:  :lol: .

I went to physical therapy today and I had on my Grumpy t-shirt.  He looked and said I don't see you as Grumpy.  I turned to him and said you haven't seen me at home. :lol:  :lol: .

How is therapy coming along?  What percent are you at now?

You know Klaas it seems that I am at a stand still right now.  I can move my arm and I have strength in it.  Still when I lift it it feels like it is weighted down a little but I can move it all around it just feels heavy.  As far as the hand goes I can move my fingers but not as good as my other hand.  They feel stiff and my pinky curls but I move them.  It is the fine things that are hard for me to do.  Like picking up change or grabbing a pen to write.  I can write but not like I used to.  I still do not hold a cup of coffee in my hand because what happens is that all of a sudden it can slip.  It won't slip if I am concentrating on holding it.  I would say my hand is at 65-70 percent.  If it would even go to 80% I think I would feel more comfortable about returning to work.

San, I know we get things in our head about how folks may look in here.

I envision you as small or petite. Am I wrong? It maybe because of your avatar that I think that way.

Of course like some of us told Igsigs last night , on the internet you can be anyway you want to be. I said I was young and could still dance the way I used to.

San, I know we get things in our head about how folks may look in here.

I envision you as small or petite. Am I wrong? It maybe because of your avatar that I think that way.

Of course like some of us told Igsigs last night , on the internet you can be anyway you want to be. I said I was young and could still dance the way I used to.

I did not eat the Easter Bunny,not funny.I just played with it for a while,and left with a very cute Siamese.I like the new judge all ready.I hope to see more later,like arrests and jail.Trip is filling up.Tib is on board,anyone handy with sails,racks,tongs,and pliers.Cat

I wonder if crocheting would help build up strength in your hand and fingers?

San emailed me this photo of herself:    :lol:  :lol:  :smt082

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/San.jpg)

San emailed me this photo of herself:    :lol:  :lol:  :smt082

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/San.jpg)

San that sounds awful to endure. How long have you been off work? Are you eligible for SS disability yet?

My couisin had an arm injury. She has some of the same type symptons you describe. She was a haistylyst. She could no longer do that and she draws SS disability. A much higher rate than she would have drawn on straight SS.

Sam right now I am on disability from my old job.  My next step will have to be SS disability.  My sister keeps nagging me to go there and apply.  There is just a part of me that is reluctant to do so.

San emailed me this photo of herself:    :lol:  :lol:  :smt082

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/San.jpg)

That is even more scary than a Robot  :smt081

Oh I am sure that will skeer our Robots. He gets skeered so easily. He even skeers himself. LOL

That is even more scary than a Robot  :smt081

May 4th will be a year Sam.

Is there any time limit on your work disability? Just do not go back to work unless you are fully ready or I think the wait on SS starts agai.

This is Paulus  :smt073

 :twisted:

Oh no Tibro Paulus looks more like this  :oops:  but with sweat dripping from his forehead.

you have apply for ss,and when turned down,then an attorney or ss practitoner can take over.None I loved the cookies,the one of me looked,right tasty.You know what sports we play in Ala,Football and spring Training.We can't wait.Trip is filling up.We will sail to Tasmania after some pleasure in the low countries and aruba.I noticed new judge is a specialist in an area aruba needs,badly.I hope Paulus gets a real paddling,not the kind anita gives him.Sorry,it a picture in my head.CAT

PAULUS

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/PaulusGuilty.jpg)

 :lol:  :lol:

some I made and some I didn't, the tiny ones like the sunglasses I didn't but I made that surfboard and those beach towels myself  8)

klaas will like these too  :wink:
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/6304a82b.jpg)

we'll have to redo the photos tomorrow when it's not raining

Just a Reminder:

All systems “go”!

We have permission!
 
Peaceful Protest /Awareness Campaign
in Boston

Fri-Sun, March 23-25

Boston Globe Travel Show

Join us as we stand up for Natalee Holloway!

All peaceful Natalee supporters invited.

Special encouragement goes out to
those living in New England to attend.
Natalee has still not received justice, yet
ATA will be in your “backyard,” trying
to promote its “safe and happy island.”

Show up for 1 day or all 3!

Be a voice for Natalee.

Make sure people
remember her.

Push for justice.

Join us in Boston!

Interested parties,
e-mail Red or Tom.

Please note: We are independent volunteers
but have told Natalee’s family about our plans.
We will conduct ourselves in a civil and law-abiding manner.


Peace :D
Hope to see you there!

OMG your cookies are sooooo beautiful Nonesuche ! Do you have a website?

Posted by Medleyrelay at FOB regarding PVDS getting his "spanking":

Sounds to me that this is just the usual political type of intrigue in any court system anywhere in the States or another country. Everyone has enimies and Paul is such a man of integrity and honor, I dare say he would have his share of backstabbing types that would want to take certain situations and make too much of them. If not for the Holloway case noone would even care.

I am just amazed at how some people on the hates sites follow every crime, every murder, every traffic accident, the weather, the cruise ships blah blah of Aruba. Most of these people I contend never ever heard of Aruba before this case. It just boggles my mind how each and every thing is twisted to MEAN SOMETHING - life goes on for these fine people. Hopefully someday the spotlight will no longer be on them.


Man of integrity??(http://bestsmileys.com/lol/15.gif)

Posted by Medleyrelay at FOB regarding PVDS getting his "spanking":

Sounds to me that this is just the usual political type of intrigue in any court system anywhere in the States or another country. Everyone has enimies and Paul is such a man of integrity and honor, I dare say he would have his share of backstabbing types that would want to take certain situations and make too much of them. If not for the Holloway case noone would even care.

I am just amazed at how some people on the hates sites follow every crime, every murder, every traffic accident, the weather, the cruise ships blah blah of Aruba. Most of these people I contend never ever heard of Aruba before this case. It just boggles my mind how each and every thing is twisted to MEAN SOMETHING - life goes on for these fine people. Hopefully someday the spotlight will no longer be on them.


Man of integrity??(http://bestsmileys.com/lol/15.gif)

BEND OVER PAULUS




EVERYONE THINKS YOU ARE SCUM

thx for the pet food alert Klass...

nite monkeys :wink:

Sounds to me that this is just the usual political type of intrigue in any court system anywhere in the States or another country. Everyone has enimies and Paul is such a man of integrity and honor, I dare say he would have his share of backstabbing types that would want to take certain situations and make too much of them. If not for the Holloway case noone would even care. [/b]


yes, if not for the Holloway case..... :evil:

yes, that case where he and his son lied their asses off  to the POLICE

O/T - I'll post this in the Monkey Lounge too:

60 Million Containers of Pet Food Recalled After Dog and Cat Deaths

Friday, March 16, 2007

WASHINGTON —

A major manufacturer of dog and cat food sold under Wal-Mart, Safeway, Kroger and other store brands recalled 60 million containers of wet pet food Friday after reports of kidney failure and deaths.

An unknown number of cats and dogs suffered kidney failure and about 10 died after eating the affected pet food, Menu Foods said in announcing the North American recall. Product testing has not revealed a link explaining the reported cases of illness and death, the company said.

"At this juncture, we're not 100 percent sure what's happened," said Paul Henderson, the company's president and chief executive officer. However, the recalled products were made using wheat gluten purchased from a new supplier, since dropped for another source, spokeswoman Sarah Tuite said. Wheat gluten is a source of protein.

The recall covers the company's "cuts and gravy" style food, which consists of chunks of meat in gravy, sold in cans and small foil pouches between Dec. 3 and March 6 throughout the U.S., Canada and Mexico.

The pet food was sold by stores operated by the Kroger Company, Safeway Inc., Wal-Mart Stores Inc. (WMT) and PetSmart Inc., among others, Henderson said.

Menu Foods did not immediately provide a full list of brand names and lot numbers covered by the recall, saying they would be posted on its Web site -- www.menufoods.com/recall -- early Saturday. Consumers with questions can call (866) 463-6738.

The company said it manufacturers for 17 of the top 20 North American retailers. It is also a contract manufacturer for the top branded pet food companies. Its three U.S. and one Canadian factory produce more than 1 billion containers of wet pet food a year. The recall covers pet food made at company plants in Emporia, Kan., and Pennsauken, N.J., Henderson said.

Henderson said the company received an undisclosed number of owner complaints of vomiting and kidney failure in dogs and cats after they had been fed its products. It has tested its products but not found a cause for the sickness.

"To date, the tests have not indicated any problems with the product," Henderson said.

The company alerted the Food and Drug Administration, which already has inspectors in one of the two plants, Henderson said. The FDA was working to nail down brand names covered by the recall, agency spokesman Mike Herndon said.

Menu Foods is majority owned by the Menu Foods Income Fund, based in Ontario, Canada.

Henderson said the recall would cost the company the Canadian equivalent of $26 million to $34 million.

Klaas,  thanks for the pet food alert! We don't use the brand, but I have alerted all my friends.  
I would love to know the full list that  of who they provide  production for.  ( I know that is not grammatically correct)  whoops. thanks!

Klaas,  thanks for the pet food alert! We don't use the brand, but I have alerted all my friends.  
I would love to know the full list that  of who they provide  production for.  ( I know that is not grammatically correct)  whoops. thanks!

"for whom they provided production"  ok there...do I sound british?

Yes there was.  It is scary.  People getting poisioned, and our fluff pals.

Posted by Medleyrelay at FOB regarding PVDS getting his "spanking":

Sounds to me that this is just the usual political type of intrigue in any court system anywhere in the States or another country. Everyone has enimies and Paul is such a man of integrity and honor, I dare say he would have his share of backstabbing types that would want to take certain situations and make too much of them. If not for the Holloway case noone would even care.

I am just amazed at how some people on the hates sites follow every crime, every murder, every traffic accident, the weather, the cruise ships blah blah of Aruba. Most of these people I contend never ever heard of Aruba before this case. It just boggles my mind how each and every thing is twisted to MEAN SOMETHING - life goes on for these fine people. Hopefully someday the spotlight will no longer be on them.


Man of integrity??(http://bestsmileys.com/lol/15.gif)

When will these posters at FOB get a grasp on reality?
What planet are they from?
"these fine people" - fine compared to what?  
You have to wonder about the company they keep over there.  
I suppose we are a hate site - we hate lies, criminals, perverts, murderers, rapists, molesters ........ the list goes on.......

Klaas,  thanks for the pet food alert! We don't use the brand, but I have alerted all my friends.  
I would love to know the full list that  of who they provide  production for.  ( I know that is not grammatically correct)  whoops. thanks!

Well,  I think yer particles  :oops: were left dangling there.
.
The list of what brands etc will be available tomorrow. I looked at my fancy feast, but it is not them. Not sure about IAMS, I don't keep the bag, use a container, dump into container, toss bag.
.
Maybe these newer guys on Aruba aren't part of the club.. lots of them have moved on..or been shoved under the proverbial bus.. except Satish who is still in Grade XII.  :roll:

I would doubt it would be the beef strips, sounds more like the processed food.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/P3150111.jpg)

My fluffs...just sheered for a summer of swimming.  It was 98 here today.  One has already dipped his feet in...not fluffy on the bottom half.

OMG this is so funny :lol:  :smt043  :smt044  :smt046  :smt066

AZSunny those Bichon's are gorgeous!  They look quite at home on the couch as well.

ROFLMAO! :lol:  :lol:  :roll:

AZSunny

I love those hairdos.
I can't wait to clip my little one down, but , alas, it appears the warm weather is a long way off for us.  :twisted:

AZSunny

I love those hairdos.
I can't wait to clip my little one down, but , alas, it appears the warm weather is a long way off for us.  :twisted:

Yah, man of integrity. My alltime favorite VidClip is the sweatyone running from the journalist trying so hard to unlock his car door but wasn't quite smooth enough.  A real man of integrity indeed.

Yah, man of integrity. My alltime favorite VidClip is the sweatyone running from the journalist trying so hard to unlock his car door but wasn't quite smooth enough.  A real man of integrity indeed.

Yah, man of integrity. My alltime favorite VidClip is the sweatyone running from the journalist trying so hard to unlock his car door but wasn't quite smooth enough.  A real man of integrity indeed.

Tell me about it Art.  It is snowing and then hailing.  There is ice all over the roads and it's very dangerous out right now.

well it looks like leather couches are in. They told us not to let animals on ours that the toenails would do a number on the leather. We do not have any pets at this time but family members do.

When I came back on a short while ago I was going to post in the lounge about the pet food recall but of course our Klaas was already on top of it.

Art Colley, I was watching Dr. House on TV earlier. The patient of the night had a AVM but it was of the spinal column. Of course thought of you and all you went through. This patient also went through a lot. Very interesting.

AV Sunny your babies are beautiful.

I just fed my babies Wal Mart cat food today.  Even my oldest dog likes it and she has had some too.  It was the dry kind mixed with canned dog food (not Wal Mart).  After reading this I called the local Wal Mart to find out if the dry cat food was on the recall list and this ditsy clerk said they didn't know anything about it and it was most likely not any of their cat foods. Yeah right. :roll:

I just fed my babies Wal Mart cat food today.  Even my oldest dog likes it and she has had some too.  It was the dry kind mixed with canned dog food (not Wal Mart).  After reading this I called the local Wal Mart to find out if the dry cat food was on the recall list and this ditsy clerk said they didn't know anything about it and it was most likely not any of their cat foods. Yeah right. :roll:

Thanks Sam.  I think it depends on the type of leather you choose.  Ours is a softer leather.  We really don't have any marks on it after 4 years, and clearly they are on it all the time!

Seem's PETA doesn't care much for them either:

http://www.peta.org/feat/iams/menu-mfg.html

Menu Foods manufactures only wet (canned) dog and cat foods. A dry dog or cat food with one of the labels listed below is most likely manufactured by a company other than Menu Foods. Ask your supermarket officials to tell you which company produces their foods for them if you buy dry dog or cat food under any store label.

Albertson’s
A&P’s Master Choice
Authority (PetSmart brand)
Award (PetSmart brand)
IGA
Kroger
Loblaw
Pathmark
Safeway Select
ShopRite
SophistaCat (PetSmart brand)
Stop & Shop
Wal-Mart’s Special Kitty Pouches

paulus law career is for all practical matters OVER

put a fork in it........... DOCTOR EVIL

can you imagine someone recommending him for a case.......


Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :lol:

OK one more post.

Klaas,  my step son and his family have 2 jack russells.  adorable and entergetic dogs!

Ours are 11 and 9yrs and act like they are still puppies.

i guess I should not be eating the food either.I will put it out for the possums.CAT

We need pictures Klaas!!

i guess I should not be eating the food either.I will put it out for the possums.CAT

i guess I should not be eating the food either.I will put it out for the possums.CAT

And you blew the margins :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Dogs.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Dogs.jpg)

I think I hit the post button to many times.Why use code,when you have cattish.CAT   Is San really that tall?

I think I hit the post button to many times.Why use code,when you have cattish.CAT   Is San really that tall?

Klaas your dogs are cute. I love how the one dog is all the way up on top of the chair! LOL! AZsunny your dogs are adorable too. I have two dogs, two cocker spaniels, same age as yours klaas, 9 and 11 years old. But mine are showing their age, however.

Klaas your dogs are cute. I love how the one dog is all the way up on top of the chair! LOL! AZsunny your dogs are adorable too. I have two dogs, two cocker spaniels, same age as yours klaas, 9 and 11 years old. But mine are showing their age, however.

Cat you are so funny when I understand you!   :wink:

i guess I should not be eating the food either.I will put it out for the possums.CAT

Klaas,  where is the info on PVDS  I have looked on front page and searched back and I can't find it.

O/T - anyone looking to move to Alaska?

http://tinyurl.com/2wacww

The City of Anderson is selling up to twenty-six lots at no costs starting March 19, 2007 at 9:00 AM.  Applications will be selected on a first come, first served bases.  A $500.00 refundable deposit will be required at the time of application.  Applicant will be required to build a residential home within 2 years from date of signed agreement.  Other covenants and restrictions apply.  Lots are 1.3 acres in size, electrical and phone has been installed.  In April, the city council will hold a lot selection meeting for applicants to select their individual lots, based upon the first come, first served critieria.  For more information contact the city clerk @ 582-2500 or coaclerk@mtaonline.net.  

(http://www.anderson.govoffice.com/vertical/Sites/%7B23ECBF0B-C7BD-420F-A9C3-1E60D3F45E0F%7D/uploads/%7B69904DB5-18C2-4F32-A356-AE97A80B3586%7D_WEB.jpg)

I think so too AZSunny. I quite often read Cats post to my hubby as I am laughing about them.

I also had to show hubby the cake Klaas made for Cat.

Tibro seems to pick up on them very well. Telling Cat not to eat the possums after he feeds them the food.

Klaas you have cute doggies too. Our couch is soft leather too. 2 years old and no scratches and my brother does always bring his doggie which is allowed on the furniture. So the furniture store was probably trying to cover their A**[/quote

I read Cat's post to my DH too.  And I show him the photos we find of Cat getting into mischief.  Also showed him the cake Klaas made and DH said he hopes I do not get any baking ideas from Klaas.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
I enjoy Cat's posts - always a lot of wisdom and plenty of humour, just the way I like it.

That picture of Paulus getting a spanking is great!  :lol:  :smt003

That post would have looked better if I had not cocked up the quote.
Hi Lala's - now you will have to write me in your book.  :lol:  :lol:

The pervert would probably enjoy it.   Oh oh - here comes Lala's

Ask your hubby if he likes turkey and mashed potatoes, that's what I fixed tonight.  Without sardines, lol  :lol:

And BTW Klaasend, I will take turkey and mashed potatoes any day of the week and twice on Sundays. That is just about my favorite food but tonight I am relagted to leftovers from a buffet place, not as good.

Keeping an eye on March Madness and my Mighty Gators who are a little off stride tonight but still winning!

If it's free... it's NOT. There's got to be a catch somewhere LOL.

I guess the catch is that you freeze for 10 months. I will pass and stay where it's warm.

Did y'all see my post a couple of pages ago? It is unreal how time has passed in this case, it's been a long time with nothing to hang much hope on.

I'm not looking to move there but I can think of a few people I would like to send.

If it's free... it's NOT. There's got to be a catch somewhere LOL.

I guess the catch is that you freeze for 10 months. I will pass and stay where it's warm.

Did y'all see my post a couple of pages ago? It is unreal how time has passed in this case, it's been a long time with nothing to hang much hope on.

Ob, boy...San's got a list...I may be tall, but she means business... :smt070  :smt071  :smt068  :smt067  :smt066  :smt065

They can keep that free land in Alaska,LOL! I want to go somehwere warm, and w/o snow and ice. (As I sit here with my car covered in both again!)

They do that sometimes here and hold a ballot to decide who gets the free blocks.  They say that it is worth giving away the blocks to encourage people to move into their district and then they have more people to pay council rates etc.  They would recoup the price after a few years I reckon.  Mostly crown land so would not cost the anything.

well it looks like leather couches are in. They told us not to let animals on ours that the toenails would do a number on the leather. We do not have any pets at this time but family members do.

When I came back on a short while ago I was going to post in the lounge about the pet food recall but of course our Klaas was already on top of it.

Art Colley, I was watching Dr. House on TV earlier. The patient of the night had a AVM but it was of the spinal column. Of course thought of you and all you went through. This patient also went through a lot. Very interesting.

AV Sunny your babies are beautiful.

They really have been hoping Americans will just forget about it. And some will, no doubt, but Natalee is still VERY MUCH on our minds and she is affecting them far more than they they thought possible. I mean, look what that judge told PVDS?

That gives me hope that the worm is turning a little down there.

I'm headed out early tonight... see y'all tomorrow evening!

Aruba does not care about one missing American tourist. If another goes missing, they will not care then either. They care about one thing... $$$$

Well hopefully some of those dollars have dried up  at least from Americans.

Elaine where do you live that it is snowing? I know San and Bleachedblack both live in New York State. Robots and Art Colley and Nuts 44x4 all live in Maine.Oh Sea Monkey and Mrs. Red too.

Well, I am off to beddy bye. Got a full nights sleep last night with NO HEADACHE!!!! YIPEEE
Gonna try for another one nights sleep! :lol:

Well, I am off to beddy bye. Got a full nights sleep last night with NO HEADACHE!!!! YIPEEE
Gonna try for another one nights sleep! :lol:

Well, I am off to beddy bye. Got a full nights sleep last night with NO HEADACHE!!!! YIPEEE
Gonna try for another one nights sleep! :lol:

From Jossy/Easy

On the case itself there is little news only that Paul v/d Sloot gave an interview to the Amigoe, that he was taken down in front of his colleagues, that he is writing a book, that his son is also writing a book, but not much else. The silence from the Dutch team is becoming permanent. We hear no sounds from that corner. I wonder why they took all those documents and tapes. There must be a reason behind the prolonged silence, but i refuse to speculate on what that silence means because i don't want to disillusion myself.

From Jossy/Easy

On the case itself there is little news only that Paul v/d Sloot gave an interview to the Amigoe, that he was taken down in front of his colleagues, that he is writing a book, that his son is also writing a book, but not much else. The silence from the Dutch team is becoming permanent. We hear no sounds from that corner. I wonder why they took all those documents and tapes. There must be a reason behind the prolonged silence, but i refuse to speculate on what that silence means because i don't want to disillusion myself.

So we have Elaine and Angie inPennsyvania, oh and the occasional Rob.

Hummm I kind of figured they would do nothing with those documents.  Ever wonder if they took the documents so Beth would not be able to get the files once the case is closed.

+ :arrow: igsigs

I never though about that, but the way things have gone thus far, could be.

+ :arrow: igsigs

Igsigs, are you on my end of Pa, or out on Angie's end?

I skipped posts..  :oops:
 I was told about PVS writing a book?   :roll:
 WTF?  
  Lalas.. where are you?   :roll:  I am going to start my own book here chicky?   :wink:

From your description...VERY close to you. Look out yer window <wavin> :)

Hey

lalas asked me to come help her  :roll:   lol

Hey Elaine?  I sae the tail end of your post? I dunno where any PA monkeys are exceot me and another one  :evil:
 Its shitty here weather wise? How is it there?

From your description...VERY close to you. Look out yer window <wavin> :)

I am here, just trying to catch up. LOL

Hey

lalas asked me to come help her  :roll:   lol

Hey Elaine?  I sae the tail end of your post? I dunno where any PA monkeys are exceot me and another one  :evil:
 Its shitty here weather wise? How is it there?

Whytegirl, Bearlyhere, Rossiracing, Goonsquad...all PA i think. Bunch more oldtimers.

Snow mixed with sleet here. I  hope that this is the end of this white stuff!

Ok Monkeys I am giving up for the night. Hopefully we will see you all tomorrow. Good Night.

 

Whyte is approx an hour or moee from me..  Roos isnt tha far..Goon? I have no idea? I dont recall that person?  :oops:   Sorry.
   Miss MedleyRelay or however you spell it.. isnt real far either?
  Rob is close by too. but closer to Medley..  :roll:

I hate to say this , but I am glad Medley is on that end of Pa. (no offense to you Angie) You can bet 1 of 2 things about her. 1. She has ties to Aruba 2. She is not taking all her medications on time.

I don't think Medleyrelay had any ties to Aruba until this case.  She alligned herself with the suspects and now thinks she's special.

 :thumright:  Klaas  
 She isn't the ony one IMO.

  LOL Elaine.  Gee thanks. But she isnt that close to me.
 Ever hear of Crescent Elaine??

These people are unbelievable!  :roll:

Posted by Lila at FOB:

I believe that this situation is something that happens to people of high moral and ethical standards.  Paulus Van Der Sloot is a target.  Other people of lower standards want to discredit him.  That must mean that Paulus Van Der Sloot's inner strength is a threat to them.

I am a bit sad that Medley says that Anita and Paulus do not read here.  How often does it happen that there is anyone who has been so publicly attacked as Joran and Paulus?  Where do those kinds of people find support in members of the public?  Their friends and family are their close comfort.  Finding object people who support their cause is not an easy task.  Not reading here would be missing something rare

 :roll:  :roll:

These people are unbelievable!  :roll:

Posted by Lila at FOB:

I believe that this situation is something that happens to people of high moral and ethical standards.  Paulus Van Der Sloot is a target.  Other people of lower standards want to discredit him.  That must mean that Paulus Van Der Sloot's inner strength is a threat to them.

I am a bit sad that Medley says that Anita and Paulus do not read here.  How often does it happen that there is anyone who has been so publicly attacked as Joran and Paulus?  Where do those kinds of people find support in members of the public?  Their friends and family are their close comfort.  Finding object people who support their cause is not an easy task.  Not reading here would be missing something rare

 :roll:  :roll:

 :lol:

Klass, Lila is Ressortownmom...right?

She thinks everybody is CIA!  :lol:

Yep and Yep.  At least I believe she's Resorttownmom.  Yes, CIA, conspiracy, Bush admin, etc etc.  Pretty far out there, IMO

Well, I have had just about all the crap I can stand for one night.  These people are total idiots.  Yes, I said IDIOTS!  If you want to use my name on your stupid RU at least make sure you spell it right and say it correctly. It's Lala's!  Now put that in your pipe, along with the rest of that stuff, and smoke it!

I feel better now. Whew!   :roll:

 :shock:  I am lost. and its Lalas fault  :roll:
 I recall that name?
 Wasnt she the ones whos hubby was missing in  the hurricane?  Katrina?
Or maybe I am thinking of someone else??

  ROFLMAO..  !!!!!!!!!!!!!    Did you need muffs?  :shock:

Not sure about that

2 pair!

2 pair!

These people are unbelievable!  :roll:

Posted by Lila at FOB:

I believe that this situation is something that happens to people of high moral and ethical standards.  Paulus Van Der Sloot is a target.  Other people of lower standards want to discredit him.  That must mean that Paulus Van Der Sloot's inner strength is a threat to them.

I am a bit sad that Medley says that Anita and Paulus do not read here.  How often does it happen that there is anyone who has been so publicly attacked as Joran and Paulus?  Where do those kinds of people find support in members of the public?  Their friends and family are their close comfort.  Finding object people who support their cause is not an easy task.  Not reading here would be missing something rare

 :roll:  :roll:

I remember Resorttownmom. She was so far on the fringes I can't believe she didn't fall off from time to time into the abyss of crazy.  Everything and I do mean everything was a major conspiracy.

 

Lalas..
  Was there a Resortownmom and a Resortownwoman?

 

Lalas..
  Was there a Resortownmom and a Resortownwoman?

What about the other triplet - Resortownho?

What about the other triplet - Resortownho?

 

Lalas..
  Was there a Resortownmom and a Resortownwoman?

I can't wrap my mind around that Lila thinking that Paulus has high moral and ethical standards. You let your son go gambling in Casinos, drink under age and have his own apartment to bring girls home to. Oh Yeah, those are very good morals  :roll:

Woman, I think

What about the other triplet - Resortownho?

Posted by ResorttownMOM at RWV:

To play the devil's advocate, let me propose a scenario based upon the rumor's floating around. Why do the Arubans have the right to question the students on the trip or know what might have been going on with Natalee?

This is a totally hypothetical scenario but the police would have to look at everything.

Hypothetically:

The ex-boyfriend got Natalee pregnant. He does not want to become a father and they both want to go to college. Possibly both families are religious and would not allow an abortion. Also they are humiliated that they made such a mistake. The plan is the boyfriend books another flight and plans to stay in Aruba for a few days after the trip so that they can go to get the abortion. Natalee was supposed to not show up for the flight the next day and go to get the abortion. After it was all over, they both were supposed to tell everyone that she stayed over to be with him and they go home. But she changes her mind and cannot do it. He gets mad. She runs away because he won't accept the baby. She is somewhere in a state of despair and refuses to be found because she cannot bear this humiliation.

Well, not that I think this happened but I could have. Why can't the Arubans ask questions? We are asking questions. That does not mean they are trying to ruin her reputation. A missing person is totally changing Aruba. The inspector's contract is not being renewed. He may have even decided to quit or retire or something feeling he cannot be effective any more. The election is coming and each political party is using this as a campaign issue. Dan, you are being an arrogant American. You have to respect both sides not just the American one.

Posted by: resorttownmom | Thursday, June 30, 2005 at 10:04 AM

Yep..Resorttownmom  :wink:

OMG!  You are so right...it just fits.  I didn't call any names...nope, I did not. Gonna be good here...

Angie
Thanks for the update.  I had meant to ask you earlier about her.  Just take it one day at a time.  You know she's in my prayers.

Time for me to hug Nemo.  

Tibro, I haven't forgotten about your email.  

Night all.

Angie
Thanks for the update.  I had meant to ask you earlier about her.  Just take it one day at a time.  You know she's in my prayers.

Time for me to hug Nemo.  

Tibro, I haven't forgotten about your email.  

Night all.

  LMAO  Tibro!!   :lol:  :lol:
Hey OT. but my Gram went to thr dr today.. he gave her vitamins for the brain.. helos with Dementia and Alzheimers..  you were correct in the email you sent me.  :)  Hope it helps her .  She didnt even get mad at my mother at the appt for telling the dr about her behavior lately.  Othe rthen she said to the Dr. WELL I AM going to be 80 yrs old. I guess I would forget stuff.   I didnt get tinme to post in the lounge. and I TY for your kindness and others as well.

I'll tell you all who got on my nerves worse than most back in the original forum days....Luna.  "Oh, moderator, moderator, please help us moderator" She would whine and whine "Moderator please tell these people to stay on topic"  Of course, she was here to let us know that Natalee was a bad egg, and the three perps were innocent.

Woman, I think

I'll tell you all who got on my nerves worse than most back in the original forum days....Luna.  "Oh, moderator, moderator, please help us moderator" She would whine and whine "Moderator please tell these people to stay on topic"  Of course, she was here to let us know that Natalee was a bad egg, and the three perps were innocent.

I don't remember LUNA?  Why don't I remember that name?

I don't remember LUNA?  Why don't I remember that name?

Well, speaking of potatoes the best one was IDAHO. Ever have a 'tater that went fugly and sprouted ugly arms and legs ? And looked almost humanish ? Or how about those 'taters that are in the shape of Aruba and look Arubish fugly ?

I don't remember LUNA?  Why don't I remember that name?

Well, speaking of potatoes the best one was IDAHO. Ever have a 'tater that went fugly and sprouted ugly arms and legs ? And looked almost humanish ? Or how about those 'taters that are in the shape of Aruba and look Arubish fugly ?

 

 thats what I thought too Klaas? IIRC way back when she posted .. then Katrina happend.. and her hubby was missing in the aftermath.?
 Crap I am trying  HARD to think now of the SOCK monkey man back then that posted  alot?   HELP!  its gona drive me NUTZ!  Someoen here has to recall who I mean??

Thanks, Angie! John's healing........and eating! :lol:

Physical Therapy is helping me, and I'm eating too!  :oops:

Is there a F-A-T smiley?

O/T

Has anyone got a car that they just LOVE? I've got to buy one and don't even know where to start. Safe is important to me, but I'd like a few bells and whistles.

One other thing while I am sitting here thinking.

This business about Paulus being reprimanded in front of his peers is really no big deal.  They are trying to make it look like he has no power whatsoever and he can be shot down any time they want to.

Just look at how we all reacted today when we found out the news he was brought in front of the other judges for calling them idiots.

Why now after all this time they let him get away with what he did.  Are they trying to show that the judges weren’t really in his back pocked when they really were?

Big deal he got his hand slapped.  Too little too late.

What they are carefully doing is putting the final touches on their big charade that will end on the 2 year anniversary of Natalee's disappearance.  JMO.

 CBB I am happy you both are doing better!
 This is werid.. I hardly EVER ate?  AND I do now more at work?
 ANn I have lost weight? ALOT of weight? My jeans are falling off of me. I aint complaning. but weird?

I would like to think that this reprimand WAS something of a big deal.  How often do we see lawyers dress down one of their own, on a personal level, in public?   I do not think Paulus has the standing he would like people to believe he has.  For months after he was notified of the failed judgeship, he, Anita, Joran and others continued to refer to him as a judge. The newspaper article states that he was uncomfortable with the exchange, and there was the inference that he brought the action upon himself.  If I were the parent of the primary suspect, and could still be arrested myself, if new evidence was presented, I do not believe that I would be foolish enough to attack the system that I would be dependent on to conduct a fair trial.  The fact that he was brazen enough to do so makes his arrogance very obvious, just as his "redecorating"  did while J2K were in jail.

Toyota Camry  :wink:  :wink:

O/T

Has anyone got a car that they just LOVE? I've got to buy one and don't even know where to start. Safe is important to me, but I'd like a few bells and whistles.

Gee, Angie. My heart bleeds.  :lol: I want YOUR diet!

I would like to think that this reprimand WAS something of a big deal.  How often do we see lawyers dress down one of their own, on a personal level, in public?   I do not think Paulus has the standing he would like people to believe he has.  For months after he was notified of the failed judgeship, he, Anita, Joran and others continued to refer to him as a judge. The newspaper article states that he was uncomfortable with the exchange, and there was the inference that he brought the action upon himself.  If I were the parent of the primary suspect, and could still be arrested myself, if new evidence was presented, I do not believe that I would be foolish enough to attack the system that I would be dependent on to conduct a fair trial.  The fact that he was brazen enough to do so makes his arrogance very obvious, just as his "redecorating"  did while J2K were in jail.

Well monkeys, I will have to leave all you night owls and hopefully check back in later, with extra mops.

So (http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q263/Coonowrin/028F92111.gif)

And I see Cat is off to an early start with  "O Danny Boy... " :

(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q263/Coonowrin/0208CE122.gif)

This is what I am hoping for in our lottery tonight :

(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q263/Coonowrin/JAR_OF133.gif)

And when I get here tomorrow I hope not to see too many monkeys like this :  

(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q263/Coonowrin/drunk_144.gif)

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=127303#127303

I posted a cute little joke for any dogs to read in the A joke / section of the lounge. very cute

I have often wondered if Paulus is like some of the people I worked with.... Great with rules, things, data, but with zero interpersonal skills.  Some of them could alienate other employees within minutes of working with them.  
I work with a few right now. Spend all day hair splitting.

I cannot reconcile his name with integrity, or honesty, given his actions in this case.  He deliberately frustrated the investigation, using his knowlege of the law and his relationships within the justice system and law enforcement, to benefit his son (and himself?).  Now he will write a book to gloat about "how he would have done it", I guess.

It may have something to do with WHAT you're eating Ang. I know HOW to loose weight and eating more can actually speed up your metabolism.

But that brownie with caramel HaagenDaz we had a little while ago probably isn't helping us!

Good points lexie.

Poor people skills. Maybe a user like Joran.

Look who has criticised him the most. The prosecuter's office.

His old workplace.

Nite, Smartest Mod :lol:

Morning MaMere. Thanks for the updates on the pet food. My Patti Cat uses Science Diet so I guess we're good to go?

Hi MsMarple....check out hillspet.com.....if this continues, all dogs and cats will be on dry food or on home cooked food.... :?

Thanks MeMere ... I did check out the hillspet site. We only use dry food.

It isn't for lack of trying - Patti Cat just doesn't like wet food. Except milk - I give her about a tablespoon a couple of times a year. She acts real interested when I have something fishy going on in the kitchen, but she doesn't want it when I offer ...

O/T

Has anyone got a car that they just LOVE? I've got to buy one and don't even know where to start. Safe is important to me, but I'd like a few bells and whistles.

From Diario:  Carnival Cruises a bandona nos isla.

buckeye - thanks for finding that and posting it.

San - Art Woods has a book? "Aruba" ?? Did we know this?

Cat - Yes, FOM's MAMA will spank you if you're bad.

I think the reference was to Dave's book "Aruba".

msmarple  :lol: about FOM's momma

Didn't Art work for Dave? Does he work for John Kelly and/or Beth? Or is this a stupid question? I am confused by Art's theory a bit  :?

None

How many cupcakes made it to their final destination?   :lol:

he's not telling but I can tell you this, he put them far away where tank couldn't reach them  :lol:

:shock: daughter and I are very impressed with your pup buckeye  :lol:  :lol: he/she should go on Letterman for sure  :lol:

she said Red is such a wussy nibbler we'd catch him before he got too far, but Tank well he even wanted a taste of white kitty this week  :shock:

not to worry, we saved poor cotton  :lol:

San-

I am concerned about this too, I mean there is a wrongful death suit in place so what is his intent here? It's very confusing to me.

HUMVEEE 8)

In PVDS's interview, isn't it interesting that he has fears that the prosecutor might come for him, Anita or one of the children.  I could see him saying himself or Joran, but he includes Anita and more than one child (?Val).  Interesting....hmmmmmmmmm.

Happy St Pat's to you too CBB and to buckeye for buckeye's is truly bonafide Irish  :wink:

Thank you so much for that precious avatar with the bunny, I have it saved and ready to roll with {{ HUGS }}

msmarple  :lol: about FOM's momma

Didn't Art work for Dave? Does he work for John Kelly and/or Beth? Or is this a stupid question? I am confused by Art's theory a bit  :?

I was just re-reading that and you are right, why would he be paranoid regarding Anita and perhaps Val???? Plus he's been an officer of the courts even as a substitute judge, so WHY is he so paranoid?

it's just so obvious he hears footsteps and I wish we knew how many and from what direction but I do so thank this new judge for his chutzpah !

msmarple I fear I don't have the memory capability many of you do, I just used to have discussion with someone in the US who was working closely with Dave and with Art last year, but really never asked many questions around who hired who, etc

List of dog foods involved in recall:

http://www.menufoods.com/recall/product_dog.html


List of cat foods involved in recall:

http://www.menufoods.com/recall/product_cat.html

MsMarple and Memere have Queens I haven't met,Hmmm.The skerry thing is maybe paulus is a man of integrity on the island,skerrrry,hnmmmm.I can't remember much from last night,but I have green whiskers.I will not eat the possums or their chillin,for three litters.One of two things is going to happen soon.San,do want me to pick you up on the long boat trip to the low countries.We need a person of your skills.Heard it is cold up there,hehe.FOM,you crack me up.Since you are resident monkey on spanking,would you join us on our trip,and give them a proper spanking.CAT

Hey KAT,Saw you on TV today.You know you can have a rape and a later attempted rape,imo.cat

Was I ?
Was I doing a comedy routine ? Or performance art ?
I tend to get dramatic. And sometimes very funny.

Kat ,you were in the parade with your cross.FOM,I can lay over at Provincetown for fresh water and you.Religous items are always needed on these trips.I feel that she was killed after the first go round with jvds and the k2s.Does anyone have an iron,for the trip.cat

SCORECARD   :arrow: AFAIK

Chief of Police - Peter de Witte

President of Courts (top judge) - Luis Delannoy

Attorney General - Nico Jorg

NH Prosecuter - Hans Mos

NH Lead Investigator (NL) - Johan Remkes, KLPD

NH Lead Investigator (AU) - Dolfi Richardson

Is this who is in charge right now?  Verified?

SCORECARD   :arrow: AFAIK

Chief of Police - Peter de Witte

President of Courts (top judge) - Luis Delannoy

Attorney General - Nico Jorg

NH Prosecuter - Hans Mos

NH Lead Investigator (NL) - Johan Remkes, KLPD

NH Lead Investigator (AU) - Dolfi Richardson

Not verified  :arrow:  AFAIK

Anything in particular you think might be wrong?

Nope, not off the top of my head.  I don't know if it's for sure about Hans Mos yet.

Right, Hans is the only one i don't have a link too. The others are correct, IMO.

Re:Hans  :arrow:  After MF reported that Ms. Lugo was taking over for KJ he backed off and expressed doubt. Then he said a different  Pros. was coming over from NL to handle the NH case. The Dutch poster who said it was Hans might be right.

In any case, I like the way Jorg does business  :wink:  :lol:

 :P YES!

Fights Paulus in court...wins...takes his $$$ away...and is still angry at him! I like that it is a *temporary* assignment for Jorg. No need to make friends.

Yup - Paulus got publicly spanked  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/PaulusSpanked.jpg)

 :P YES!

Fights Paulus in court...wins...takes his $$$ away...and is still angry at him! I like that it is a *temporary* assignment for Jorg. No need to make friends.

wow igsigs, thanks for that list  :shock: if Jorg is the atty general then this carries a big ole wallop !!! Let's see how Oduber swallows this one, have to wonder if all of Paulus' buds are now looking over their shoulders?

cat, I see you are napping but thank you for your kind comments on the cookies, BB and others too, I appreciate it.

it was 81 here on thursday, I had to cut my heat back on today, going to cook some hot soup and build a fire now - I'm freezing !!!

hi casa, you're lucky then for it's been rainy/windy/frigid here today and I am forced to chase and hold a cat to keep warm  :lol: but wiggles doesn't mind she's my lovebug.

I never grill now that I don't have men to feed, I think I'm a quasi-vegetarian and going to cook roasted mushroom soup  :oops:

FYI - I just posted a current list of all the dog and cat food brands that are being recalled:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=955

about 10 inches of SLUSH



ON TOPIC

i want to see DOCTOR EVIL cell phone report

i can sense a problem  8)

I found this on the ZZ blog. It certaintly was an interesting read
to say the least.

-J4N

——-

Thursday, March 15, 2007
DIRTY HAND REVEALED

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:32 pm
The sacrifice is the correct food to appease the gods, arawaks, and cowboys but the foundations of the house of babylon will shake even harder if Arawak Dirty Hand is revealed.

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EDWIN ‘PAPITO’ COMEMENCIA - DIRTY HAND

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COMEMENCIA WAS AT THE VAN DER SLOOT HOUSE:

Fox News

June 15, 2005

Two police officers walked through the Van Der Sloot family’s one-story, yellow-beige home, while others guarded the entranceway. A blue sport utility vehicle and a red Jeep were also towed from the property.

Officers on the scene would not comment, and police spokesman Edwin Comemencia said he had no information.

MORE COMEMENCIA WAS AT THE VAN DER SLOOT HOUSE:

Updated Wed. Jun. 15, 2005 10:37 PM ET

Associated Press

NOORD, Aruba — Aruban police Wednesday searched the home of a high-ranking Dutch judicial official whose son was with an Alabama honors student the night she disappeared, carrying out plastic garbage bags full of items and towing away two vehicles.

snip

Wednesday’s search of the van der Sloot home lasted about four hours. Two white-uniformed investigators from Holland carried suitcases into the one-story, yellow-beige home, which includes an attached apartment where the young man lives. They later returned the suitcases to their white, unmarked car.

Investigators also emerged from the house carrying two white plastic garbage bags full of unidentified items. A German Shepherd also sniffed around the property outside the capital, Oranjestad.

Authorities towed a blue sport utility vehicle and a red Jeep away from the house, which is surrounded by a low stone wall and fronted by an expanse of trees and cacti.

“The search is part of the investigation,” said Mariaine Croes, a spokeswoman for Attorney General Caren Janssen.

Croes said both cars belonged to the family, but she did not say why they were taken away.

Janssen, who also went into the house, declined to comment as investigators wrapped up their search at about 4 p.m. Six police officers guarded the entrance to the property.

“We are just looking for evidence at the house but have nothing yet,” police spokesman Edwin Comemencia said during the search.

STANLEY ZAANDAM POINTS TO CORRUPTION INSIDE ALE:

Monday, September 19, 2005

Ex-commissioner Stanley Zaandam in his new book KPA-Quo Vadis 2,3
To exculpate the son of Paul vd Sloot, the commissioner and fiscal falsely arrested two ex security guards.

Police command nominations named as the reason of the mistake.

Bon Dia Aruba
9/19/2005

ORANJESTAD – The police corps committed a blunder in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. According to ex-commissioner Stanley Zaandam, who dedicates attention to the case here and also in his upcoming publication.

According to Zaandam, the nominations - of among others Commissioners Bernardina, Dompig, Hassel and Richardson, along with 34 high-rank 1st class inspectors - which are against the law and hierarchy of the KPA [police corps], have serious consequences for the quality and integrity of work in KPA.

Accoding to Zaandam, none of the high-ranked commissioners has the qualifications nor experience to conduct a judicial investigation.

Police at the top of political list

According to Zaandam, Commissioner Dompig is under the instruction of Minister Rudy Croes, of MEP.

He also states that 20 other policemen were ranked high on a political list. Five others (…) among them Commissioner Hassell, according to Zaandam.

He also claims this is how Commissioner vd Straten was appointed to this case. However, according to Zaandam, this should not be work for a commissioner.

BLUNDER

Zaandam continues talking about the blunder under which the 3 youngsters were questioned, which should have been a simple case, but one that resulted in KPA’s biggest blunder, due to the deceitfulness of JvdS, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, they remained free another 12 days.

FALSE ARREST

Zaandam keeps on saying in his book, two days after 5/29, the body of Natalee H. may have already been found and Cvp [police commissioner] looked the other way to do a favour for Paul vd Sloot (ex of chief staff of Cabinet PG [prosecutor general] J. Zwinkels). To exculpate the son of Paul, the CvP and fiscal chief prosecutor Karen Jansen made the false arrest of two ex-security guards, Jones and John , called this a ‘tactical maneuver’ , and denied them their freedom for another 10 days.

STom:
Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 4:13 pm Post subject:

Most likely since years back, private and public tourism authorities and law enforcement officials had an underlying agreement not to report crimes against tourists because they were detrimental to their image of pure, safe and uncorrupted island paradise. This unwritten law was easy to implement because incidents were so infrequent, that they could report them as missing persons. From 1996 through 2002, they had three disappearances reported. Not bad. An average of one disappearance every 24 months.

When Natalee’s incident occurred, Joran told Paulus about the “accident” and Paulus immediately thought of the island team in charge of “missing” people cases. Paulus had worked a few years back for the prosecutors office, as Antonio Carlo’s subordinate and had learned how Arubian authorities initiated these patriotic techniques, to preserve both, the island’s economic sovereignty and the aspirational image of its criminals, which are portrayed as selective for going after illegal immigrants and locals only, not tourists.

Paulus was not totally frank about the incident. He just called his compadre Edwin -Papito- Commemencia and reported the case. Papito called the “missing” squad and they got rid of Natalee. They assumed this was just going to be one more case where Police authorities give the family of the victim the runaround; they give up and go home to light candles. They weren’t counting on Beth’s obsessive, unrelentless, persistent, annoying character.

The media started coming to Aruba and the news began spreading. What to do … that was the big question. The police, ATA and AHATA met. They agreed that they were going to show the family and the US that they care and are willing to do everything to find their missing daughter. “ Hey”, they said, “Maybe this will be good for us. All these cameras will put our island in the forefront”. The craziness begins and Arubian arrivistes show their faces in front of the spotlight.

When one week later the authorities figured out that the threesome was responsible for the crime and they envisioned the consequences of having an international coverage of the case and the investigation, it’s already too late. They can’t go back and undo what they have done, because the “missing” scheme would be revealed and that would mean the definite end of existence of the thriving Arubian tourism industry. Since then on, the madness and the lies have not stopped.

As Dompig stated in the Vanity Fair interview, they thought they were dealing with a normal family. By that he meant families like those of Richard Henríquez, Gary Makings and Willard Larson, all missing in Aruba never to be found.

Igsigs:
Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 9:02 pm Post subject:

STom

Edwin Commemencia

That is a name that is rarely brought up in this case. What do you know about him

STom
Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:10 pm Post subject:

igsigs

At the beginning of the investigation Papito Comemencia was very active as police spokesperson. I understand he is the officer that Joran considers his Godfather and uncle, not van der Straaten. He is -or at least was- very close to the van der Sloots.

Dompig was in charge of the interrogations back then. If you recall, he is the one that got the “confession” out of Joran on the 10th or 11th of June 2005, but it could not be admitted because the time duration of the interrogation exceeded the limit allowed for a minor.

A few weeks into the case, both Comemencia and Dompig sort of vanished and all focus turn to Jan van der Straaten. Most likely this was an Arubian strategy to point the finger at the Dutch, and steer the blame away from them.

Some of Comemencia’s key moments include reporting the different and dive searches, reporting beforehand that Paulus would request the court to allow permission to see Joran in jail, informing that nothing was found on the van der Sloot’s property search, telling Beth that blood had been found on the Kalpoe’s car, insinuating that more people were involved and in general, creating confusion and false expectations.

He is supposed to be Papi the Butterfly, the person that Simian/Merian Webster supposedly stated could unravel this whole mess. This is what I recall reading, but I guess an SM T&S lover could confirm this or not.

More by STom:

Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:31 am Post subject:

Rocky:

Comemencia could have bvery well alerted ahead of time about searches, but I don’t know if he did or not. What matters is that he is the one that has the personal relationship with the van der Sloots and not van der Straaten, he is the one that Joran considers his uncle and Godfather, he is the one that was very present until they passed the ball to the Chief of Police, and he is the one that distorted information to confuse the public opinion as far as the investigation was concerned.

One example is telling Beth about blood in the Kalpoe’s car. Most likely he did it to handle Beth, in order to shift her vision of primary responsibility from Joran to the brothers. Just guessing, though.

Also, Comemencia often stated or implied that the FBI was involved in the investigative process, when that was not the case.

Quote:
Police and FBI agents searched for Holloway for a ninth day today, but a lack of any solid leads was hindering progress, they said. The FBI was asked to bring in dogs trained to search for people, police spokesman Edwin Comemencia said.

Quote:
Two divers among the eight FBI agents in Aruba have been searching the waters surrounding the island, police spokesman Edwin Comemencia said.

I believe Comemencia’s comments about FBI’s participation was part of a predefined strategy to imply that the FBI was involved, so ALE probably used the FBI initially to fit its purposes.

(HAT TIP MAS AMIGOS)

Posted by Zoltan at 6:46 PM

reposted by Carpe

Comment by Carpe Noctem | March 17, 2007, 4:39 pm

about 10 inches of SLUSH



ON TOPIC

i want to see DOCTOR EVIL cell phone report

i can sense a problem  8)

In any case, I like the way Jorg does business  :wink:  :lol:

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HAPPY ST. PATRICK'S DAY , MONKEYS!!!!!

Thanks, klaasend.  I was worried when I heard Wal Mart because that is where I get my kitties' food but I don't get the Special Kitty which is Wal Mart's brand.  I think mine are safe except my crazy black kitty ran outside earlier and I can't find him!  He has been declawed and stays inside so it worries me when he escapes!  He usually doesn't go far when he escapes.  Usually goes under the house or in the flower beds.

Artcolley - are your headaches getting less and less?  I sure hope so!

Happy St Patricks Day to you ArtColley.  Hope you had another good nights sleep and no headaches. Did you take a piece of Baileys Chokky Fudge on your way in?  Treats for the monkeys  :lol:  :lol:

Sorry to hear about your little black Kitty.
Hopefully he'll show up soon.

Thanks, Art!  He just showed up a few minutes ago and is safely inside!

YES, Klaas,  Thanks for asking!!!
I had another night headache free last night!!!! YIPEEEE

More than that it was trying to survive on 2 hours sleep or so a night that was getting me down.

I think I am nearly all better, dare I hope????? :lol:

GREAT NEWS!

The posting by carpe on the F/P and brought into here by msmarple makes very interesting reading.  Comemencia is someone I have read very little about - seems to have kept a very low profile.  Looks like we need to start reading Shango again with this character in mind for Dirty Hand.  Where is Lala's ?

You know, there were/are so many players in this thing that it is a miracle one of them hasn't had an attack of conscience by now.

I remember back when they were toting all that stuff out of the house. I think it was all for "show".

Or their personal garbage collection

Comenencia DOES need further investigation.

I have NEVER thought that  VDStraten was DirtyHand. Not even for a second. I remember AG coming on here (though certainly since then she has shifted her loyalties) and she was adamant that he is of the highest character and not corrupt. I don't mean in the Refugee sense of glorifying PVDS the way they do, she was very genuine about it.

Remember that DirtyHand is supposedly an ARAWAK. That means Aruban, NOT Dutch. The Dutch are Babylonians. I don't understand why that isn't self-evident to everyone?

Comenencia

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Got it from the Aruba Who's Who thread of Sunfreak's.  Don't forget about those threads in the Important Case Document forum.  Sunfreaks threads are a great resource.

Got it from the Aruba Who's Who thread of Sunfreak's.  Don't forget about those threads in the Important Case Document forum.  Sunfreaks threads are a great resource.

Thanks for that pic, Klaas. REfreshes my memory of what he looked like.
EEEEEWWwwwww

This guy needs a good looking at! Hi Monkeys!!!

Hi Art, I am great! Good to see you here too! , sorry for the delay was googling Comenencia , didn't find much yet, but we will!

Glad to hear you are great!!!

I've been flittin in and out..reading about Anna Nicole..doing jigsaw puzzles, watching for wild animals and knitting! :lol:

Hiya Monkeys

Isn't it rather funny that Comenencia seemed to fall off the radar about the time that van der Straaten did??

Hiya Monkeys

Isn't it rather funny that Comenencia seemed to fall off the radar about the time that van der Straaten did??

I enjoy crocheting in the winter, I make two or three nice warm blankets every winter. I am a bit reluctant to admit that here in case ol "roger" that used to have scrux is reading here. He saw us monkeys as a knitting circle. !! LMAO!! :lol:

Kat ,you were in the parade with your cross.FOM,I can lay over at Provincetown for fresh water and you.Religous items are always needed on these trips.I feel that she was killed after the first go round with jvds and the k2s.Does anyone have an iron,for the trip.cat

WEll, think I'll go watch some TV .

Have a wonderful evening, Monkeys!!!!

We all might be dancing something like that, Kat,  if we have the 7 course Irish dinner like our Cat.

I have heard of a box full of monkeys but a ship full of monkeys sounds even more fun.  Who needs an iron?  Sounds like it is turning out to be a round the world voyage.

CAT-----
mmmmm.....p town is nice/ funky..........i have an iron too.... :lol:

The posting by carpe on the F/P and brought into here by msmarple makes very interesting reading.  Comemencia is someone I have read very little about - seems to have kept a very low profile.  Looks like we need to start reading Shango again with this character in mind for Dirty Hand.  Where is Lala's ?

Hi FOM! I have a curling iron, guess that may not be what cat is looking for though. :lol:

Hiya FOM

Have you heard from Mickey lately. Hope he is doing ok.
I envy you being at the beach where it is warm  :cry:

or one of those big old heavy irons......nice to whack someone???

No,I was thinking of a different iron,so I won't say more.I am awake now,but I am strict grounding.I did not bother the cats next door,no matter what they say or the fur in my paws.I have never heard of this guy before.Each time I get out of the rabbit hole,the ground opens up again.Cat(the confused)

http://www.eur.nl/english/pressroom/releases/2006/october2006/criminalcode/

New Criminal Code for the Netherlands Antilles
The Criminal Code of the Netherlands Antilles is in urgent need of modernisation, and a revised edition is now being prepared. On Thursday 5 October 2006, an expert meeting will be held at Erasmus University Rotterdam to discuss progress. It will include the first public presentation of a proposal for the general section of the new Criminal Code (book 1).

The project to review the Criminal Code of the Netherlands Antilles was launched three years ago. The existing code was urgently in need of modernisation since both it and the associated country regulations and decrees were extremely outdated.
On 18 January 2003, the Committees for the review of the Criminal Code of the Netherlands Antilles officially began their work under the chairmanship of L.A.J. de Lannoy (for the Netherlands Antilles) and Mrs Croes-Fernandes (for Aruba). The chairmanship of the Committee for Aruba has since been taken over by N. Jörg.
Both Committees are assisted by a Secretariat headed by Professor H. de Doelder, which has drawn up the basic text proposals.
During the past three years, the Committees have modified criminal sentences and reviewed the sentences handed down for various crimes. New treaty commitments (partly in response to the fight against terrorism) have made it necessary to codify new laws. Finally, the growing complexity of crime and the need to combat terrorism has made closer cooperation between the different parts of the Kingdom of the Netherlands more vital. This can be encouraged through the coordination of their respective laws and regulations.
The specialists attending the meeting will discuss and elucidate the changes that have been made to the new Criminal Code. The programme will be chaired by Professor de Doelder and presentations will be given by Professor D.H. de Jong, Professor P.A.M. Mevis and Professor J.W. Fokkens. The Ministers Plenipotentiary of the Netherlands Antilles, Mr P. Comenencia, and of Aruba, Mr W.F. Croes, will be present. The Netherlands Minister for Kingdom Relations, Mr A. Nicolaï, has also been invited to attend.

Note for Editors:
Expert meeting to discuss the new Criminal Code of the Netherlands Antilles, Thursday 5 October 2006, 11.00 hours
Place: Erasmus University Rotterdam, Woudestein building, Riviumzaal
If you would like to attend the meeting, please contact the FRG press and public relations office, Annemart Berendse, tel. 010 408 9766

In the beginning of this case, this guy was called the "police spokesperson"... I would love to know what happened to him, and where he is now. This isn't nice, but maybe he died?

Diario 2/14/2007

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/2/14/local/news7.php

armanan confisca durante actividadnan di carnaval ta inclui: CUCHIO GRANDI MODIFICA, CU POR KITA CABEZ DI HENDE AFO

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ORANJESTAD(AAN): Vocero Policial Papito Comenencia a papia tocante di tur loke a wordo confisca pa polis durante diferente parada y actividad di carnaval. Esaki durante conferencia di prensa, den cual el a bisa cu tabata varios artefacto y bebida, hende a purba di drenta cune durante diferente di a actividadnan.

Señor Comenencia y Sra Hassel a pone tur cos loke a wordo confisca riba mesa, manera por wak riba e potretnan. Comenencia a stress riba e cuchio grandi manera un machete, cu a wordo modifica di tal forma, pa e hasi mas daño na un ser humano.

Esaki a haya riba un persona cu a bay Lighting Parade. E persona aki a presenta na warda di polis e anochi ey y ora el a yega polis a wak cu e arma aki a cay for di dje. “Bo no por bay carnaval cu e arma aki, pa defende bo mes”, segun Comenencia kende a sigui bisa: cu e persona aki sigur a sali for di cas cu intencion di agredi un hende.

Na e manera cu e arma aki a wordo modifica, si e persona lo a corta un hende, lo tabata dificil pa e persona sobrevivi. Segun Comenencia e arma aki por kita cabez di un persona facilmente.

Vocero di Polis ta pidi mayornan pa purba controla nan yiunan mihor. Tur hende kier fiesta y celebra, pero esaki mester keda un celebracion y no un actividad pa causa maltrato. “Na hobennan mi ta pidi, ban mustra cu nos ta e hobennan di mayan y cu nos por sin alcohol y sin arma”, segun vocero policial.

El a splica cu esaki ta conta tambe pa e mayornan, pasobra no ta hoben so ta causa problema durante actividadnan di carnaval. Den e paradanan ultimo polis a wak varios mayor bao di influencia di alcohol, hunto cu nan yiunan, mientras cu ta un bon ehempel nan mester duna nan yiunan.

Comenencia a hasi un apelacion tambe na tur prensa pa ora cu nan saca potret, entrevista of filma, pa nan no para dilanti di e grupo y stroba esaki di sigui bay. El a bisa cu e reportero mester djis pidi e persona di cual por ehempel e kier saca un potret, pa hala na banda y saca su potret, sin stroba henter e grupo.

Prensa a trece dilanti si nan vocero policial cu esnan cu ta para saca portret no ta solamente miembronan di prensa. Tin hendenan cu ta traha pa e companianan di foto di sector priva, cu tambe ta saca potret y cu quizas ta nan ta stroba fluho di e paradanan. Comenencia a bisa cu polis lo tene cuenta cu esaki.

FOM, I remember how they did that with the music.

The one that really set me boiling was when Greta was doing a live interview down there and the band started playing "Staying Alive" in the background.

Those online radio stations were just unbelievable. I could imagine some guy in a little clapboard studio in a trailer somewhere with a record player and one of those old metal hand-held mikes spinning vinyl while figuring out which lies to tell next. Kind of the Wolfman Jack effect Aruban style. Even if they did stream. Choppy, terrible streams, too.

No problem,I will go with old ways.I will let the women do the questions.That is why 1/2 of Custers men died.They had problems with women in leadership posistions. cat

Klaas, I saw that but disreguarded it because I thought we were talking about Edwin Comenencia , and this article talks about a P. Comenencia, so I thought this was a diff. guy? But they do have a lot of names over there sometimes two or three even four?

when you are breeding with relatives a lot,you get the same last names.cat

when you are breeding with relatives a lot,you get the same last names.cat

Comenencia DOES need further investigation.

I have NEVER thought that  VDStraten was DirtyHand. Not even for a second. I remember AG coming on here (though certainly since then she has shifted her loyalties) and she was adamant that he is of the highest character and not corrupt. I don't mean in the Refugee sense of glorifying PVDS the way they do, she was very genuine about it.

Remember that DirtyHand is supposedly an ARAWAK. That means Aruban, NOT Dutch. The Dutch are Babylonians. I don't understand why that isn't self-evident to everyone?

when you are breeding with relatives a lot,you get the same last names.cat

Opppps, he is alive! Klaas found him  :lol:  :lol:

I used to listen to The Wolfman on a Crystal radio,some good music.I do remember,that is a wicked knife he was holding.it used to clean and chop up things.Cat

 :lol: Klaas should have been a detective. :smt102

when you are breeding with relatives a lot,you get the same last names.cat