SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2

[CapsLockWizard]

Was reading around this morning and noticed arubagirl's website had two new postings after none since 2006.  This caught my eye:

Aruba Prime Minister nelson Orlando Oduber is the father, mother and the son of corruptions. PG Prosecutor Lugo Elivia LUGO LUGO is the monster of Aruba Justice AND SHE IS CORRUPT, PG Prosecutor Teresa Diana Croes Fernandes Pedra is corrupt she has DIRTY DIRTY HANDS Rudy Croes Hyacintho Rudolfo Croes is the most corrupt Minister of Justice that Aruba have seen in his Political history.
thanks
Carlos Severino Tromp
Posted by: Carlos Severino Tromp | March 22, 2008 at 02:48 PM
welcome to: www.koninginnlwatismensenrechten.com

    



http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2005/10/there_was_an_el.html

Check the front page of SM, this person (Carlos Severino Tromp) has been recently posting the same stuff there.

Carlos Severino  also a victem of this prosecution of the PG in Aruba. I know him personaly and he went to live in German

[MumInOhio]

Found this on Commissioner Trudy Hassel…Seems that she was around when van der Straten was out.

http://sxmprivateeye.com/node/11804

St. Maarten
Police Union Rejects Hassle’s Appointment - 21st September 2007
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03-11-2005, 09:30 AM      post #2 (permalink)    
charles  Posts: n/a    Re: Charles "allegro construction"  I do not have the slightest idea who will be doing the work. Be sure to have your papers in order if you want to work here. They are very strong on this issue and one of our leading figures, Mrs. Trudy Hassel recently resigned due to an issue surrounding control of illegal workers. Touchy topic.Charlesarubafastphones.com

http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/charles-allegro-construction-410/

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Tuesday, June 07, 2005
The Dutch Caribbean island's government on Monday asked most of the 4,000 public employees to meet at a sports stadium in the central community of Santa Cruz at 2 p.m. EDT to be briefed on "a systematic search," police commander Trudy Hassell said.
"We hope there will be thousands," Hassell said in the capital, Oranjestad. "This effort is a national effort. We feel with the family."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158666,00.html

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http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_12_25_archive.html
About the search
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Posted on: 03/10/2004
A most successful seminar Women & Work was hosted by ECA NV., at the Seaport Conference Center on March 8th, International Day of Women. Key-note speaker, Dr. Peggy Dolet, reiterated women can have it all, providing life & work integration is achieved. Additional local role models featured in the seminar included the Minister of Infrastructure Marisol Lopez Tromp, Banker Rina Solognier and Tax Consultant Evelyn Wever Croes. Police Commissioner Trudy Hassel, gave a powerful presentation, recounting her personal odyssey juggling a career with family life. She received a standing ovation from over 400 women in the room at the end of her heroic tale.

http://news.visitaruba.com/news/do/dispatch/view/id/375/manageArticle.html
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Natalee Holloway Information | Scared Monkeys
We truly hope and pray that Natalee returns and the Aruban People believe she ...... Trudy Hassel the person in charged of dispensing the many volunteers to ...scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/07/natalee-holloway-information/ - 249k - Cached - Similar pages

[MumInOhio]

Caps…found this on THE NEWS

« Reply #1566 on: January 30, 2008, 02:29:53 PM »
   
 Quote from: bleachedblack on January 30, 2008, 02:28:16 PM
Quote from: Buckeye on January 30, 2008, 02:14:23 PM

Don't know if this is really Margaret Wever but since The News and UPI carried the same address thought I would bring this over from the FP.

margaret wever on January 30th, 2008 10:00 am
My newspaper THE NEWS HAS NEVER KNOWINGLY PLACED AND WILL NEVER KNOWINGLY PLACE escort and prostitution ads!!! It has been our policy since the paper was established in 1951. We have occasionally even checked up ourselves on “suspicious ads.
”Plus, I know for a fact that also Mr. Jossy Mansur will not place these ads in his Aruba Daily, although they did let one slip in a few years ago, but soon discontinued it.
Since there are three free English newspapers on Aruba, and two do not place escort and prostitution ads, this article should have stated that one newspaper is the one doing this (Aruba Today)!!!
Thank you.
Prayers for Natalee, Beth and Matt!
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I seem to remember a few papers there running ads selling escort services, but can't say for sure which ones. Ms. Wever however is correct about ArubaToday, as there is no question in my mind what they are selling on page B14.
 
http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3go to newspaper local and turn the pages. Sorry Klaas for the OT didn't realize i was in S+S thread

[CapsLockWizard]

Was reading around this morning and noticed arubagirl's website had two new postings after none since 2006.  This caught my eye:

Aruba Prime Minister nelson Orlando Oduber is the father, mother and the son of corruptions. PG Prosecutor Lugo Elivia LUGO LUGO is the monster of Aruba Justice AND SHE IS CORRUPT, PG Prosecutor Teresa Diana Croes Fernandes Pedra is corrupt she has DIRTY DIRTY HANDS Rudy Croes Hyacintho Rudolfo Croes is the most corrupt Minister of Justice that Aruba have seen in his Political history.
thanks
Carlos Severino Tromp
Posted by: Carlos Severino Tromp | March 22, 2008 at 02:48 PM
welcome to: www.koninginnlwatismensenrechten.com

    



http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2005/10/there_was_an_el.html

Check the front page of SM, this person (Carlos Severino Tromp) has been recently posting the same stuff there.

Carlos Severino tromp his rights was violated by Lugo that had a special vendeta agains Carlos for defending his rights.
I met with him before he went to holand to present his case to the queen of the Netherland. He has tons of documents on the violation of his rights and was fighting Lugo till he could not more and desided to take his case to the queen himself. and went to live in Geermany.

On other subject: The Riddle now have number and they are 167 shango says post that need work.

The process has began and now we will have ref. to where some info comes from. also to which one need to be worked on.
This riddle is more like a book at the end.

No more confusions...I hope.

[bleachedblack]

Not sure if this is the right place to toss this out.......but I have been bothered by these
"rumors" again lately as I have been also bothered in the past. If the Persistence had found Natalee....I had hope this would be put to rest....but instead .............

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>>>SNIP
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Hubert Tiel, Diario Newspaper:

He told Fox reporter:
We have been working on this case since the first day, since then have picked up every piece of material, so they can have everything to put together this story. Tonight again we are on the road cause the team is following some suspect cars that we need for this story. Looks like we are going to have a nice finish for this story asap. His sources say they have moved already from where they were and they want to know exactly where they are going.
She asks who do you think is moving Natalie and is he saying that he thinks she is alive?
He says yes, of course. We are going in a group of 2 ladies, 3 gentlemen. One gentlemen knows a person who knows how to deal with drugs (not from Aruba) maybe from Venezuela or Columbia. The plan was to drive Natalee to columbia, but the latest news we have right now is that because the plan has failed 3 times already, they may try to reach Columbia before Venezuela.
She asked what kind of condition he thinks she is in.
He says that the police have their investigation going on, the press does too. We are going to all steps we can, we have put together a group to follow a car that we think are involved in this. We are working on a tip. Have not notified her family, we are working with the police.
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 9:50 pm Post subject:

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>>>SNIP

Below was -Posted by AkekoaHoAlethia

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Yes He did he say they are following someone right now, right this minute? a car, with two females and 3 males, one a known drug dealer from Colombia or Venezuela....
They had planned to take NH to Columbia but that didn't work so now the plan is to go to Venezula first.

I replayed it to get it right.

Hubert Tiel said, "very definitely" when asked if he thought NH was alive.
Hubert did not answer the question about NH's condition. He only said "VERY DEFINITELY ALIVE"

I inquired in an email to Diaro and never received a response on this.

Apparently FOX did not want to pursue this story either on air. We never heard another word from any FOX reports.

Perhaps the DIARIO didn't want to be exposed for this type of hype.

http://tinyurl.com/2ny92q
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[CapsLockWizard]

Hi monkeys ,

A week before the murder of Natalee,

Where was Paules v/d sloot. I need the dates he flew to holland and the dates of arrival. and also his wife. Anita.

We know that the prime minister was in florida. but someone was in holland that arrage for a transport.

Need the dates ?

[Blonde]

Got this so far
In March 2004 Paul van der Sloot traveled to Holland for a year and when he returned to Aruba in March 2005 he did not receive the required recommendation to become a Judge.

[MumInOhio]

Anita arrived back June 1st.


http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/pvds623.htm
PROCES VERBAAL

On June 23rd 2005, at approximately 14.30 hours, as a suspect, a man was interviewed who stated his name was: Paulus Antonius Petrus Johanna van der SLOOT, born in the Netherlands on February 15th 1952, judge (common court) and living at XXXXXXXX number XX on Aruba.


To your question when Anita left for the Netherlands, I can state the following. I cannot remember exactly but I think it was the Tuesday or Wednesday before that Monday the 30th of May that she departed for the Netherlands. Anita was in the Netherlands for seven or eight days.

[jackb]

Caps…found this on THE NEWS

« Reply #1566 on: January 30, 2008, 02:29:53 PM »
   
 Quote from: bleachedblack on January 30, 2008, 02:28:16 PM
Quote from: Buckeye on January 30, 2008, 02:14:23 PM

Don't know if this is really Margaret Wever but since The News and UPI carried the same address thought I would bring this over from the FP.

margaret wever on January 30th, 2008 10:00 am
My newspaper THE NEWS HAS NEVER KNOWINGLY PLACED AND WILL NEVER KNOWINGLY PLACE escort and prostitution ads!!! It has been our policy since the paper was established in 1951. We have occasionally even checked up ourselves on “suspicious ads.
”Plus, I know for a fact that also Mr. Jossy Mansur will not place these ads in his Aruba Daily, although they did let one slip in a few years ago, but soon discontinued it.
Since there are three free English newspapers on Aruba, and two do not place escort and prostitution ads, this article should have stated that one newspaper is the one doing this (Aruba Today)!!!
Thank you.
Prayers for Natalee, Beth and Matt!
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I seem to remember a few papers there running ads selling escort services, but can't say for sure which ones. Ms. Wever however is correct about ArubaToday, as there is no question in my mind what they are selling on page B14.
 
http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3go to newspaper local and turn the pages. Sorry Klaas for the OT didn't realize i was in S+S thread

Isn't there a Margaret Wever who is almost in the top notch job of the Associated Press (AP?)  j/b

[Lala'sMom]

Hi monkeys ,

A week before the murder of Natalee,

Where was Paules v/d sloot. I need the dates he flew to holland and the dates of arrival. and also his wife. Anita.

We know that the prime minister was in florida. but someone was in holland that arrage for a transport.

Need the dates ?

Truthfully, we have never determined whether Paulus was gone or not.  If his kids were still attending school as some say...then Paulus was never off island.  However, if Anita had the two younger kids with her, then they just left Joran there by himself? At first, it was rumored that Joran picked up Paulus from the airport the night in question and went to gamble.  Other rumors have Paulus already home and going to the caisno.  In all the PV's we have there is not mention of Paulus being picked up at the airport I don't think....you might have to check on whether or not he actually arrived there on Aruba that afternoon or not.  Many of us have tried to find this out for almost 3 years now. Conflicting information and as of yet, no one knows what is what.

[CapsLockWizard]

Anita arrived back June 1st.


http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/pvds623.htm
PROCES VERBAAL

On June 23rd 2005, at approximately 14.30 hours, as a suspect, a man was interviewed who stated his name was: Paulus Antonius Petrus Johanna van der SLOOT, born in the Netherlands on February 15th 1952, judge (common court) and living at XXXXXXXX number XX on Aruba.


To your question when Anita left for the Netherlands, I can state the following. I cannot remember exactly but I think it was the Tuesday or Wednesday before that Monday the 30th of May that she departed for the Netherlands. Anita was in the Netherlands for seven or eight days.

thank you very much

she went to arrange a deal but at her return she her self will not carry the package, the package never came and when it arrived it was drop near his house, but the party go-ers saw what was drop and must have taken it. The party goers knows they have seen.  on the night in question, the black team were searching for the package.

to be continue....

[jackb]

Thanks Caps...

Geoffrey von Cromvoirt… Dad..retired cop from the Netherlands. They came to Aruba 1997. Lived at 14A Paradara…house was still for sale December 2007. They threatened to sue May 2007 after Geoffrey was detained in April 2007.

I read that both Geoffrey and his Dad were questioned early on.

From Sunfreak’s Aruban Who’s Who

Dad...
CROMVOIRT, Wilhemus “Willem” Bernadus Henricus Papaya van – owner & operator of VCB Security.  Father of Geoffrey van Cromvoirt. There is some question as to whether the Cromvoirt’s moved to the Netherlands.  Resided at 14D, Paradera, Aruba.
 
VCB Security  – Video Camera Beveiligingssystemen.  Security firm owned by Wilhemus van Cromvoirt, Geoffrey’s father.  The Visibility Team, supplied by VCB, is part of Aruban police that patrols the beaches by ATV’s, SUV’s and boats.  This company provides security guards and video security for the beaches, hotels, casinos and other businesses on Aruba as well.


VISIBILITY TEAM, the – Private security team of VCB, police trained, that function as police adjunct to patrol the beaches, Oranjestadt & San Nicholas.
 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=203.0


Steve Croes…DJ…worked at C&C’s recently…from Curacao…divorced and a small child. Lived with his grandparent’s, wife’s parents, I think. Aunt lived next door, married to retired cop Rufo Solognier.

Geoffrey was detained in: APRIL 2006.  j/b

[Lala'sMom]

Buckeye
   
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #1564 on: January 30, 2008, 02:14:23 PM »
   
Don't know if this is really Margaret Wever but since The News and UPI carried the same address thought I would bring this over from the FP.

margaret wever on January 30th, 2008 10:00 am

My newspaper THE NEWS HAS NEVER KNOWINGLY PLACED AND WILL NEVER KNOWINGLY PLACE escort and prostitution ads!!! It has been our policy since the paper was established in 1951. We have occasionally even checked up ourselves on “suspicious ads.”
Plus, I know for a fact that also Mr. Jossy Mansur will not place these ads in his Aruba Daily, although they did let one slip in a few years ago, but soon discontinued it.
Since there are three free English newspapers on Aruba, and two do not place escort and prostitution ads, this article should have stated that one newspaper is the one doing this (Aruba Today)!!!
Thank you.
Prayers for Natalee, Beth and Matt!

[MumInOhio]

 Oderber was in Fort Lauderdale for an Organization of American States summit.  He met with Condy rice on June 6th. Arrived back in Aruba the morning of June 9th. June 4th until June 7th.  See link below

http://www.oas.org/xxxvga/english/photo_previous.asp


I don’t know if he was at the one in Washington and I am not sure if I can read it all tonight.

http://www.oas.org/OASpage/eng/photos/default.asp?nMes=5&nAnio=2005

Rudy Croes arrived back from Holland on June 3rd.  Thought you might want to know….LOL

[CapsLockWizard]

 Oderber was in Fort Lauderdale for an Organization of American States summit.  He met with Condy rice on June 6th. Arrived back in Aruba the morning of June 9th. June 4th until June 7th.  See link below

http://www.oas.org/xxxvga/english/photo_previous.asp


I don’t know if he was at the one in Washington and I am not sure if I can read it all tonight.

http://www.oas.org/OASpage/eng/photos/default.asp?nMes=5&nAnio=2005

Rudy Croes arrived back from Holland on June 3rd.  Thought you might want to know….LOL

ether Anita or Rudy Croes, made a deal with a mob in the Netherlands but he himself did not carry the package.
at the same time the young visibility team supposed to have made a deal with the Kalpoes  via the Surienan Mobs to send to to holland drugs back for the payment.

But the the young visibility team boy did not made any deal with the 2 shivas there was no deal made. but money was paid.

[CapsLockWizard]

There was a party in the Brickel that night..

Who is the dice trower Name in the casino

[texasmom]

There was a party in the Brickel that night..

Who is the dice trower Name in the casino

Guido Wever worked in the casino as a croupier.

From Aruban Who's Who:
WEVER, Guido– 19 years old, former resident of Aruba, now residing in the NL.  Was a croupier at the Excelsior Casino.  Said to have left Aruba abruptly within weeks of Natalee’s disappearance after being questioned by ALE. Reported to be good friends with Joran, and gambling with him on May 30/31 when Natalee’s loved ones arrived in Aruba.  Arrested on 5-20-06, released on 5-23-06, under suspicion of accessory to murder, kidnapping and battery.  Drove a white Nissan Sentra.  Interviewed by ALE on 4 occasions, 6/3-05, 6-7-05, 6-8-05 & 6-23-05.
For more information see Who’s Who – Victim, Suspects, Witnesses & Families

[COLOMBO]

 Oderber was in Fort Lauderdale for an Organization of American States summit.  He met with Condy rice on June 6th. Arrived back in Aruba the morning of June 9th. June 4th until June 7th.  See link below

http://www.oas.org/xxxvga/english/photo_previous.asp


I don’t know if he was at the one in Washington and I am not sure if I can read it all tonight.

http://www.oas.org/OASpage/eng/photos/default.asp?nMes=5&nAnio=2005

Rudy Croes arrived back from Holland on June 3rd.  Thought you might want to know….LOL

ether Anita or Rudy Croes, made a deal with a mob in the Netherlands but he himself did not carry the package.
at the same time the young visibility team supposed to have made a deal with the Kalpoes  via the Surienan Mobs to send to to holland drugs back for the payment.

But the the young visibility team boy did not made any deal with the 2 shivas there was no deal made. but money was paid.

Then does DirtyHand hold the real "key-lo?" (kilo)

[COLOMBO]

hence the surveillance?

[texasmom]

Thanks Caps...

Geoffrey von Cromvoirt… Dad..retired cop from the Netherlands. They came to Aruba 1997. Lived at 14A Paradara…house was still for sale December 2007. They threatened to sue May 2007 after Geoffrey was detained in April 2007.

I read that both Geoffrey and his Dad were questioned early on.

From Sunfreak’s Aruban Who’s Who

Dad...
CROMVOIRT, Wilhemus “Willem” Bernadus Henricus Papaya van – owner & operator of VCB Security.  Father of Geoffrey van Cromvoirt. There is some question as to whether the Cromvoirt’s moved to the Netherlands.  Resided at 14D, Paradera, Aruba.
 
VCB Security  – Video Camera Beveiligingssystemen.  Security firm owned by Wilhemus van Cromvoirt, Geoffrey’s father.  The Visibility Team, supplied by VCB, is part of Aruban police that patrols the beaches by ATV’s, SUV’s and boats.  This company provides security guards and video security for the beaches, hotels, casinos and other businesses on Aruba as well.


VISIBILITY TEAM, the – Private security team of VCB, police trained, that function as police adjunct to patrol the beaches, Oranjestadt & San Nicholas.
 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=203.0


Steve Croes…DJ…worked at C&C’s recently…from Curacao…divorced and a small child. Lived with his grandparent’s, wife’s parents, I think. Aunt lived next door, married to retired cop Rufo Solognier.

Geoffrey was detained in: APRIL 2006.  j/b

It seems that GVC's father's name and address were combined in error at some time.  It is as Mum posted it in the Aruban Who's Who.  I noticed it when I looked the business up last night.  Here's what I found.


Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 14 AUGUST 2001 under serial number 27951.0 is the company with the trade name:
 
 
VCB VIDEO CAMERA BEVEILIGINGSSYSTEMEN & CONSULTANCY 
 
Business address PAPAYA 14-D, PARADERA 
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP 
Name of the company  VCB VIDEO CAMERA BEVEILIGINGSSYSTEMEN & CONSULTANCY 
Date of commencement  14 AUGUST 2001 
     
THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN CANCELLED ON 18 OCTOBER 2004 
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS 
 
SIMOONS, ROBERTO FREDERICK IDAGARD; 
Residing in  PAGAAISTRAAT 10, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 5 JULY 1978 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  OWNER 
Effective  14 AUGUST 2001 
Authority  FULL 
   
VAN CROMVOIRT, WILHELMUS BERNARDUS HENRIQUEZ PETRUS PAULUS; 
Residing in  PAPAYA 14-D, PARADERA, ARUBA 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, 'S-HERTOGENCOSCH on 29 JUNE 1959 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  PROXY 
Effective  2 DECEMBER 2002 
Authority  FULL 
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
HET BEVEILIGEN VAN BEDRIJVEN PARTICULIEREN.


Only valid if accordingly signed by the Chamber of Commerce & Industry Aruba - J.E. Irausquin Blvd.10, Oranjestad, Aruba.