Lively Case Discussion #633 6/2 - 6/3/2007

[Shell]

(((Thanks Anna, for saying "nice to see you"))) I am here every day, just not always signing in

[bleachedblack]

This seems to be Dr. Hodges take on the Ramsey case/ ransom note. I haven't actually read his book, but I think the title pretty much tells us Dr. Hodges take on the murder of JonBenet Ramsey. Hodges, Andrew G. A Mother Gone Bad: The Hidden Confession of JonBenét’s Killer

http://forensicthoughtprints.com/cases/jonBenet.html

[San]

she is in something

but i still say LAND

and i still say ABANDONED septic tank

easy to open, its quick and easily hidden

robots I agree with you that she is on land.

Hi San, Nice to see you.

Ok if we are speculating on land. How about this? In the very early days there were 2 things that happened. No links, sorry. Maybe Klaas has them.
One was a ? cartoon about Natalee at the Holiday Inn showing a ? burial place.
Two was a witness saying he saw a Body being transported from the Holiday Inn. Wrapped in something but he saw blonde hair. The naysayers said it was a dead plant or tree.

What if it was a dead tree? What if where the tree was removed was where Natalee was buried?  Add another tree to replace the one removed.
Now remember this is speculation.

One other thing I want to bring up while I am here. I notice when we travel there are always advertisements along the roads for Lions Dens. They are adult porn places. I believe.Nothing whatsoever to do with the Lions Club.

Hi Sam,

What if the tree was removed from the Sloot yard.

They still have not dug up the pool and until they do I am not satisfied.

[Grande]

While I try to be open to everyone's theories, what I've always come back to thinking is that something happened at the rocks, she died either there or in Deepak's car, and she was put in the ocean in the fish trap.

Dr. Hodges theory doesn't include anything to do with the rocks, but it does make sense to me.

I have always felt that something significant happend at Arashi Beach.  There is no other explanation for Deepak's urinating statementS hence the alibi for being there out of his vehicle.

Is "taking a pee" a sexual innuendo? My guess is yes, but not being a guy, i would not know.

not in my book  

That's an interesting thought.  

The urinating alibi could be more of a result of the subconcious memories of having his 'unit' out @ Arashi, if in fact that is the case.  It also provided reasoning for being there.

He also claims to have urinated just 45 minutes earlier @ Carlos n' Charlies.  

Deepak likely retrieved the narcotics while @ C&C's when he claimed to have been urinating.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Anyone with a few thousand functioning brain cells all comes to the same conclusion.

It's JP2K and the Aruban Authorities. Now when the heck is someone gonna do something about it?

I'm more pissed off that no one is doing anything than anything else. What Gives?

Off With their HEADS!!!!

Upper and lowers..  where is Lorenna Bobbit when you need her?
 IMO the only hope there is.. is Tim Miller at this point and his search of the waters.   Thats just how I feel.. have the last week or so..

That would be the ultimate breakthrough for this case.  I'm just not very optimistic about this being solved without physical evidence.

 Mike .. I hear yah.  My prayers are with Tim and TES..

[LilPuma]

Great show, Dana.  Stephanie was great and Dr. Hodges was very interesting.

[bleachedblack]

Does anyone know why the Worldjournier Natalee Timeline is down? I can't get to it.  TIA

Is this it Elaine?

http://tinyurl.com/39zppz

[LilPuma]

This seems to be Dr. Hodges take on the Ramsey case/ ransom note. I haven't actually read his book, but I think the title pretty much tells us Dr. Hodges take on the murder of JonBenet Ramsey. Hodges, Andrew G. A Mother Gone Bad: The Hidden Confession of JonBenét’s Killer

http://forensicthoughtprints.com/cases/jonBenet.html

A handwriting analyst on one of the news shows said that the note was written by the mother.

[Kat_Gram]

I also remember seeing this over at RWV.
The man has more credentials than I do.
I went out and will listen tomorrow to the podcast.

[Easywriter]

While I try to be open to everyone's theories, what I've always come back to thinking is that something happened at the rocks, she died either there or in Deepak's car, and she was put in the ocean in the fish trap.

Dr. Hodges theory doesn't include anything to do with the rocks, but it does make sense to me.

I have always felt that something significant happend at Arashi Beach.  There is no other explanation for Deepak's urinating statementS hence the alibi for being there out of his vehicle.

Is "taking a pee" a sexual innuendo? My guess is yes, but not being a guy, i would not know.

not in my book  

That's an interesting thought.  

The urinating alibi could be more of a result of the subconcious memories of having his 'unit' out @ Arashi, if in fact that is the case.  It also provided reasoning for being there.

He also claims to have urinated just 45 minutes earlier @ Carlos n' Charlies.  

Deepak likely retrieved the narcotics while @ C&C's when he claimed to have been urinating.

That is a lot of peeing for a person that was drinking whiskey and coke.  Could be that he wanted to cover in case something of him was found at that location.

[Tibrogargan]

Welcome to our new monkey Destiny.
Glad you are one of the monkeys that are going to talk to us. So many join but then do not post.

I wish Anna would get dressed again - I miss the outfits.  

[Rob]

Guys, that bloody substance was not on the rocks before 6-5-2005. I know I have all the info on this Rocks thing. There is only one way that the rocks have anything to do with Natalee is if she was in a freezer, per Deepak key to auxiliary kitchen, and Natalee was frozen and then taken to the rocks on 6-9 / 6-10 2005 and then disposed of there... otherwise there is no chance.

I don't know what happened at that rock area still to this day and I have seen more video than anyone. It is still not clear what exactly happened there. It needs to be answered one way or the other.

[Shell]

Easy, do you mean various dna?

[LilPuma]

Good show Dana!

We don't all have to agree with a guest to enjoy the interview and maybe get some insight into how some people think.  I would like to hear an interview with a sane person that has a different opinion about this case.  Can't think of what sane person that would be though....

The only persons with different opinions about this case would be the demented souls at FOB and RU

They have souls?  

RED!!!!  TURN ON FOX THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PARIS!      

[klaasend]

Guys, that bloody substance was not on the rocks before 6-5-2005. I know I have all the info on this Rocks thing. There is only one way that the rocks have anything to do with Natalee is if she was in a freezer, per Deepak key to auxiliary kitchen, and Natalee was frozen and then taken to the rocks on 6-9 / 6-10 2005 and then disposed of there... otherwise there is no chance.

I don't know what happened at that rock area still to this day and I have seen more video than anyone. It is still not clear what exactly happened there. It needs to be answered one way or the other.

How do you know the bloody substance was not on the rocks prior to 6/5?

[Grande]

While I try to be open to everyone's theories, what I've always come back to thinking is that something happened at the rocks, she died either there or in Deepak's car, and she was put in the ocean in the fish trap.

Dr. Hodges theory doesn't include anything to do with the rocks, but it does make sense to me.

I have always felt that something significant happend at Arashi Beach.  There is no other explanation for Deepak's urinating statementS hence the alibi for being there out of his vehicle.

Is "taking a pee" a sexual innuendo? My guess is yes, but not being a guy, i would not know.

not in my book  

That's an interesting thought.  

The urinating alibi could be more of a result of the subconcious memories of having his 'unit' out @ Arashi, if in fact that is the case.  It also provided reasoning for being there.

He also claims to have urinated just 45 minutes earlier @ Carlos n' Charlies.  

Deepak likely retrieved the narcotics while @ C&C's when he claimed to have been urinating.

That is a lot of peeing for a person that was drinking whiskey and coke.  Could be that he wanted to cover in case something of him was found at that location.

Honestly, I don't think Deepak had the time to drink much if any at all.  He may have taken a 'road soda' for the ride, but time did not allow for much drinking between Joran's and Arashi IMO.

[bleachedblack]

This seems to be Dr. Hodges take on the Ramsey case/ ransom note. I haven't actually read his book, but I think the title pretty much tells us Dr. Hodges take on the murder of JonBenet Ramsey. Hodges, Andrew G. A Mother Gone Bad: The Hidden Confession of JonBenét’s Killer

http://forensicthoughtprints.com/cases/jonBenet.html

A handwriting analyst on one of the news shows said that the note was written by the mother.

There has been alot of controversey about this, and it has always been felt that there are similarities between Patsy Ramsey's writing, and whomever actually wrote it.  Some handwriting analyst might agree....others not. I personally don't think she had anything to do with the murder or the note, and much can be found in the media to corroborate this. Sorry. didn't mean to change the topic .

+++++++++++++++++++++++

 GRACE: Joining us now, Andrew Hodges, psychiatrist and author. Dr. Hodges, thank you for being with us. You have very carefully taken a look at this book, actually written -- a look at the case and actually written a book, "A Mother Gone Bad: The Hidden Confession of JonBenet`s Killer," "Who Will Speak for JonBenet?" Do you support the intruder theory that John San Agustin does?

ANDREW HODGES, PSYCHIATRIST: Not at all, Nancy. I think this -- you know, I think the ransom note is the key to the case. That`s where I came in as a clinician, a psychiatrist with 30 years` experience. And I applied a breakthrough to the unconscious mind.

This case comes down to how the mind works. This letter is written on two levels: the conscious level and the unconscious level. This reflects an unconscious confession. In the unconscious mind, you know, police use the unconscious mind at crime scenes to hypnotize witnesses and pick up additional information...

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: What does the letter tell you about the killer?

HODGES: OK. Understand that (INAUDIBLE) mind speaks in a coded language by patterning similar ideas called thought prints. I see in there a cancer code. I see in there a code of sexual molestation. I see in there a code that this was a staged crime scene. I see in there a code that JonBenet was dead before the ransom note was written.

We sent Boulder an 80-page report, 14 conclusions, that this was a female cancer victim who wrote this letter and that she was picking -- she was triggered by picking up on a sexual assault where she witnessed JonBenet being sexually assaulted, and that`s what set her off.

So all this fit the Ramseys to a T, and the ransom note is a story. If you look at the signature, you`ll see "Victory." And the "ctory" is spaced apart, suggests story. The whole thing is a hidden story of the ransom, of the crime.

http://tinyurl.com/2tbupy

[Tibrogargan]

Good show Dana!

We don't all have to agree with a guest to enjoy the interview and maybe get some insight into how some people think.  I would like to hear an interview with a sane person that has a different opinion about this case.  Can't think of what sane person that would be though....

The only persons with different opinions about this case would be the demented souls at FOB and RU

They have souls?  

RED!!!!  TURN ON FOX THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PARIS!      

Followed by ROSIE!!!!!!      

[Tylergal]

at the risk of being accused of being an idiot, I am going to write two words and most of the men will know what I mean about Deepak and urine.

"Golden rain."

[bleachedblack]

While I try to be open to everyone's theories, what I've always come back to thinking is that something happened at the rocks, she died either there or in Deepak's car, and she was put in the ocean in the fish trap.

Dr. Hodges theory doesn't include anything to do with the rocks, but it does make sense to me.

I have always felt that something significant happend at Arashi Beach.  There is no other explanation for Deepak's urinating statementS hence the alibi for being there out of his vehicle.

Is "taking a pee" a sexual innuendo? My guess is yes, but not being a guy, i would not know.

not in my book  

That's an interesting thought.  

The urinating alibi could be more of a result of the subconcious memories of having his 'unit' out @ Arashi, if in fact that is the case.  It also provided reasoning for being there.

He also claims to have urinated just 45 minutes earlier @ Carlos n' Charlies.  

Deepak likely retrieved the narcotics while @ C&C's when he claimed to have been urinating.

That is a lot of peeing for a person that was drinking whiskey and coke.  Could be that he wanted to cover in case something of him was found at that location.

Honestly, I don't think Deepak had the time to drink much if any at all.  He may have taken a 'road soda' for the ride, but time did not allow for much drinking between Joran's and Arashi IMO.

He did say in one of his suspect statments that he and Satish to a yard to go when leaving C+C's