Lively Case Discussion #633 6/2 - 6/3/2007

[justinsmama]

I'm sleepy and I don't wanna go to work!

[Easywriter]

I agree with your theory, Freebird.  There are so many times they appeared to be going to say something pertinent and then change to another tack.
As though their mouths were working faster than their brains, and they have to stop and re=phrase so it throws the suspicion elsewhere.  Liars but not very good ones.

You can even see it happen when Joran has been interviewed in front of a camera.  His mouth is running off fast and steady, but he will catch himself, look away and then his eyes will shift from side to side as he invents his next story.  That guy is very transparent, yet he walks free....

[Tibrogargan]

Hey Easy - I believe you were looking for me the other day?  Something about Big Brother?

[Easywriter]

I woke up thought printing this morning!

Joran first said Deepak came back to the beach to pick him up and that Deepak said “fok die bitch.”  Later he changes his story and says Satish came to pick him up and Satish said, “fok die bitch.”  Two years later Joran gives a magazine interview and when asked how he felt about Natalee, he said, “fok die bitch!”  Do we need a “thought print” expert to decipher the meaning of those exchanges?  IMO, those have always been Joran’s words.  Who was he talking to when he first said those words as Natalee lay lifeless before their eyes?  I get an image of an isolated area, panic, at least one person wanting to help, or at least call for help and Joran telling them no “fok die bitch.”

[Easywriter]

Hey Easy - I believe you were looking for me the other day?  Something about Big Brother?

Yeah, in our news they say that show is causing a big stink downunder.  Where does that stand now.  Does the girl still not know her father is dead?  How are people reacting to that?

[anidac]

I'm sleepy and I don't wanna go to work!

Ditto!

[nonesuche]

it rained here all weekend so I was lazier than I needed to be, but up and at it for work at 7:30 but I feel sure I'll be feeling a nappy for lunch  

Ya'll need to sneak over to the new thread or hurry up to get this one closed, to see a news article hotshot posted about Renfro   just make sure you don't have an empty stomach .

[Easywriter]

Joran spent 180 days in jail due to his never-ending change of stories.  The Kalpoes walked because they came up with one story and stuck with it until this day.

Where does the truth hide?  Did the Kalpoes leave Joran alone with Natalee at some point?  Why would they do that and then go back to get the guy a little later?  Not that many young guys would be that accommodating.  In fact, most would say to hell with you, walk home!

[Tibrogargan]

The girl still does not know anything as she is still in the house.  There has been a lot of bad press about it as just about anyone asked says they should tell her, and there has been a lot of letters to the newspapers and talk back radio.
At last weeks show where they release the competitor that has been voted out some people in the audience had placards saying "Christine - your dad is dead" hoping they would be seen during live crosses to the house.  But the security "bouncers" spotted them and marched them out of the studio.  Think there is another elimination tonight but have not heard anything yet.  Will keep you posted  
Have a good day - nearly time for bed over here.

[nonesuche]

Easy,

It's my experience that most of the really bad stuff teen men get into is in a group, I've always felt that the group or gang element was a catalyst that night as well as any video filming that may have occurred. Deepak and Satish aren't innocent and they may have willingly followed Joran's orders and demands, but from the moment Natalee was drugged and driven away honestly that did constitute kidnapping and I believe K2 had their turn with her also sexually.

I don't think there was any thrill in it without Joran feeling he was the orchestrator and the master, get it, Fok die bitch?

[Tibrogargan]

it rained here all weekend so I was lazier than I needed to be, but up and at it for work at 7:30 but I feel sure I'll be feeling a nappy for lunch  

Ya'll need to sneak over to the new thread or hurry up to get this one closed, to see a news article hotshot posted about Renfro   just make sure you don't have an empty stomach .

Hi None - yes I have read it and it really makes you angry.  Firstly they have got the story wrong even after all this time, and then all the lies about Renfro.  I guess we know what Klaas will print when she reads it ?
And what about the statement where the MB kids last saw Natalee lying on the bar?  I am speechless.

[nonesuche]

Tib-

As much as i hate to write this, I have been to Aruba and I didn't experience some big happy place. I have places like Antigua and st John's that do seem very happy spots, and I also made my first trip to the Caribbean at age 16 with my family. I've been over a span of years about 15 different trips and my feeling about Aruba was how money-grabbing they were. I didn't feel we had top drawer hotel service, everyone had their hand out in your face (1998) and the shop keepers on the whole were just the same, either buy something or get out of my shop.

So I expect people like that to lie, or people who are rumored to run escort services to lie, or governors who willingly get in bed with Chavez to lie. Jossy now appears to be one of the few there who has a conscience and standards, so it must be a lonely pursuit trying to care for his homeland.

At this point nothing they do surprises me, except I am surprised that Jossy is there.

[Tibrogargan]

oops - Easy, the girl's name is Emma.  I have no idea where I got Christine from  

[Easywriter]

Easy,

It's my experience that most of the really bad stuff teen men get into is in a group, I've always felt that the group or gang element was a catalyst that night as well as any video filming that may have occurred. Deepak and Satish aren't innocent and they may have willingly followed Joran's orders and demands, but from the moment Natalee was drugged and driven away honestly that did constitute kidnapping and I believe K2 had their turn with her also sexually.

I don't think there was any thrill in it without Joran feeling he was the orchestrator and the master, get it, Fok die bitch?

I agree that at least those three were involved in what happened to Natalee, but when did they part company?

[Easywriter]

oops - Easy, the girl's name is Emma.  I have no idea where I got Christine from  

Do you think the story is on the up-and-up, or is it a ploy to boost ratings?

[nonesuche]

Easy do you mean when did they no longer remain friends or are you asking if K2 were involved in her death?

see I've always thought Deepak's comments "wait until they see that shit" and "your own father" were both indicators he was there when she died. I also think Satish's fragile state while at the KIA was another indicator.

but.........I am no expert here, just one more opinion which we know those are quite prevalent  

[nonesuche]

hey Bean-

I see you out there, where you been bean? I miss you !!

well since I"m the only person on my virtual team who is online STILL atthis late hour of 8:30am then I'm going to walk outside since the sun is shining and finish my coffee on my porch.  

later taters !

[Easywriter]

Easy do you mean when did they no longer remain friends or are you asking if K2 were involved in her death?

see I've always thought Deepak's comments "wait until they see that shit" and "your own father" were both indicators he was there when she died. I also think Satish's fragile state while at the KIA was another indicator.

but.........I am no expert here, just one more opinion which we know those are quite prevalent  

I think they were involved in a sexual assault against Natalee.  But, at some point the brothers left and went home.  When?

I'm mostly just thinking out loud.  If I have time, I am going to read through the PV's again today and refresh my memory about some of the BS all these guys have told.

[Tibrogargan]

Tib-

As much as i hate to write this, I have been to Aruba and I didn't experience some big happy place. I have places like Antigua and st John's that do seem very happy spots, and I also made my first trip to the Caribbean at age 16 with my family. I've been over a span of years about 15 different trips and my feeling about Aruba was how money-grabbing they were. I didn't feel we had top drawer hotel service, everyone had their hand out in your face (1998) and the shop keepers on the whole were just the same, either buy something or get out of my shop.

So I expect people like that to lie, or people who are rumored to run escort services to lie, or governors who willingly get in bed with Chavez to lie. Jossy now appears to be one of the few there who has a conscience and standards, so it must be a lonely pursuit trying to care for his homeland.

At this point nothing they do surprises me, except I am surprised that Jossy is there.

I understand what you are saying with their attitude to tourists.  We had the same treatment travelling in Indonesia.  Hands out everywhere, even little children chasing after you for money.  Market stall holders would rush out and physically drag you into their little huts to buy something.  When you said no they could not get you out of there fast enough.  Everything was money, money, money.  They kept telling us Australians were rich because we could afford a holiday.  As you would realise  we saved for quite a while for the holiday but I suppose our way of life must seem glamorous to them although it is everyday living to us.

[nonesuche]

Easy,

sheesh I always sign off just when people answer me   have you ever wondered if Paulus was who sent them away? I have. Even if this didn't go down at the VDS home, Joran calls daddy and he says "do this" and either the K2 don't want to or daddy-o says "get rid of them because we don't want any witnesses".

I really don't think K2 disposed of her body to it's ultimate location but now I think they are realizing even if they didn't, they are taking the wrap for it. That makes me smile to know that, I hope K2 has lots of bad dreams forever until one of them fesses up