Natalee Case Discussion #740 3/5 - 3/7/08

[klaasend]

Posted by Luvslalom at RU - translation of the first 7 minutes of the Telearuba broadcast last week:


There are 2 different You tube translations done from Pap to English with THANKS to Reaver/Aruba.

The last part on which tonights show will be on was a translation from Dutch to English.
According to MF/Aruba the following is 7 min of the broadcast. Not all segments have been translated, as I mentioned above.

Klaas the one i translated is from the Nieuwe Revu. They claim to have the video translated by a proffesional translator into dutch.

Since the nieuwe revu's translation contains more text than the one on RU i am inclined to believe that theirs is closer to the truth. a translator would not make up text that is not there

but then i can be wrong LOL

JE - thanks, you are probably correct

[Blue Moon]

Here's a theory:

Once this case is solved, Hans Mos will use the victory and the subsequent shift in power/government to make a run for Prime Minister.   

Which party do you think Mos belongs to-the same one in control now (MEP I think)? Does make sense except you are more optimistic than I am that Mos will solve this in our lifetime.  Thanks again for all you and the crew did for Natalee.  I have enjoyed reading your website and would love to see a documentary on the ocean scenes and what when on those over 2 months time.

[caesu]

Finally, a video segment:

PvdE: One day he will fall on his face.
You have no idea what his other relatives are doing. I will make sure that their entire lives become bitter. I have more then 120 sms messages in my possession.

PC: How do we know that this is not a trick between you and Joran?

PvdE: When you come to Holland I will show you something, haha.




I wonder what he means by the last line "I will show you something? And what are his other relatives doing (I think he is implying something illegal perhaps?) 

nice catch Bladerunner.

i think it means "i'll show you the text messages".
to show that it is NOT a trick between Patrick and Joran.
he also showed Jensen text messages.

[Bladerunner]

PvdE:But wait, I could have not lived with myself, if I knew him for many years and knowing that he did something like this . .But now I took it off like it was nothing. But this thing had to be this way man. When I heard that he was coming to Arnhem, I thought about it already, see when I meet you I will finish you off, I knew it then. I enter the casino (beep).. there I threw my fishingline, and I held him on a line for 7 months… (beep) the second time they picked him up……

if i read this it is not like Patrick knew Joran for many years.
but it is like when he met Joran at the casino he couldn't have lived with himself (for years) without trying to get Joran to confess.

this could be a better papiamentu translation than the Revu did.

the last part is just the Revu translation with the line the police and press getting money.
and that he knows who dumped her in the sea.

i very much doubt this translation (if Patrick even said it) because Revu had it apparently wrong in the translation about how long Patrick knew Joran.

add to that Peter R. saying they got the translation wrong.
add to that Patrick coming on Jensen's show after knowing the was secretly taped on tele aruba (he must have known that because the broadcast was on sunday).
add to that Stan de Jong co-wrote the Revu article.
Stan de Jong is together with Steve Brown archenemy of Peter R. de Vries.

i conclude the Revu played up a big hoax.

very well done Revu. more misinformation floating around popping up everywhere. 
as if there is not enough of that already.

I think it could also be interpreted to mean that Patrick is saying IF he was someone who DID know Joran for years and heard him say these things and did nothing about it then he could not live with himself knowing he did nothing. Kind of like if your old friend told you he killed someone and you don't go to the police.

[texasmom]

Thanks for bringing the translations over Klaas!

I've got some catching up to do, but I'll be back. 

I'm looking forward to reports from the remaining portion of the teleruba show!

[JE]

Haven't we got any aruban/papiamentu speaking posters who can take the guesswork out of these translations?
I just went with what revu wrote I'm quite sure my translation was quite accurate but like Ceasu said who knows if revu's translation is correct in the first place?

[Bladerunner]

Finally, a video segment:

PvdE: One day he will fall on his face.
You have no idea what his other relatives are doing. I will make sure that their entire lives become bitter. I have more then 120 sms messages in my possession.

PC: How do we know that this is not a trick between you and Joran?

PvdE: When you come to Holland I will show you something, haha.




I wonder what he means by the last line "I will show you something? And what are his other relatives doing (I think he is implying something illegal perhaps?) 

nice catch Bladerunner.

i think it means "i'll show you the text messages".
to show that it is NOT a trick between Patrick and Joran.
he also showed Jensen text messages.

So these text messages are what Patrick plans to become famous and rich for, by releasing them to the public in another book? What else does he have I wonder!

[klaasend]

Haven't we got any aruban/papiamentu speaking posters who can take the guesswork out of these translations?
I just went with what revu wrote I'm quite sure my translation was quite accurate but like Ceasu said who knows if revu's translation is correct in the first place?

I haven't seen Capslock around today but he can translate Pap to English.  Hopefully he'll watch tonights show and at least give us a summary.

[caesu]

Here's a theory:

Once this case is solved, Hans Mos will use the victory and the subsequent shift in power/government to make a run for Prime Minister.   

Which party do you think Mos belongs to-the same one in control now (MEP I think)? Does make sense except you are more optimistic than I am that Mos will solve this in our lifetime.  Thanks again for all you and the crew did for Natalee.  I have enjoyed reading your website and would love to see a documentary on the ocean scenes and what when on those over 2 months time.

no Mos is dutch. doesn't belong to any aruban party. he is going home 2009.
just a contract for 3 years. Mos doesn't mean anything.
he will go back to the netherlands and get a low profile justice job somewhere far away in the country side.

[caesu]

PvdE:But wait, I could have not lived with myself, if I knew him for many years and knowing that he did something like this . .But now I took it off like it was nothing. But this thing had to be this way man. When I heard that he was coming to Arnhem, I thought about it already, see when I meet you I will finish you off, I knew it then. I enter the casino (beep).. there I threw my fishingline, and I held him on a line for 7 months… (beep) the second time they picked him up……

if i read this it is not like Patrick knew Joran for many years.
but it is like when he met Joran at the casino he couldn't have lived with himself (for years) without trying to get Joran to confess.

this could be a better papiamentu translation than the Revu did.

the last part is just the Revu translation with the line the police and press getting money.
and that he knows who dumped her in the sea.

i very much doubt this translation (if Patrick even said it) because Revu had it apparently wrong in the translation about how long Patrick knew Joran.

add to that Peter R. saying they got the translation wrong.
add to that Patrick coming on Jensen's show after knowing the was secretly taped on tele aruba (he must have known that because the broadcast was on sunday).
add to that Stan de Jong co-wrote the Revu article.
Stan de Jong is together with Steve Brown archenemy of Peter R. de Vries.

i conclude the Revu played up a big hoax.

very well done Revu. more misinformation floating around popping up everywhere. 
as if there is not enough of that already.

I think it could also be interpreted to mean that Patrick is saying IF he was someone who DID know Joran for years and heard him say these things and did nothing about it then he could not live with himself knowing he did nothing. Kind of like if your old friend told you he killed someone and you don't go to the police.

yes that is a simular interpretation more likely than the Revu misinterpretation.

but the misinformation is out there. tomorrow it is in the papers.
it will be quoted numerous times over and over again.

[dennisintn]

I think this whole tele aruba thing is just another developement as there have been so many before. They claim there is big news but in the the end it will be another story open to interpretion and speculation by all of us. It may give an insight into the inner workings and motives of Patrick van der Eem but it will not, just like the PRDV tapes lead to a conviction. If it turns out that Patrick had knowledge that could have solved the case but witheld that information for fame or financial gain he should be up there with JVDS in a court room being questioned by Bram Mozcowitzs. I for now want to give him the benefit of the doubt and am willing to believe that the tele aruba reporter is just looking for his 15 minutes of dubious fame. BTW the show airs in aruba in 2 1/2 hours.

i guess we'll get the gielen/renfro garbage tonight, this should be interesting.
dennisintn

[LoRain]

PATRICK Maar ik weet wie het lichaam in zee heeft gegooid.
But i know who threw the body into the ocean.

I contend that IF this is correct and Patrick did say that, it's a huge development and he needs to be interrogated throughly and immediately.

trust me it is the correct translation
But it could also mean that he is sure in his own mind that he knows who did it it does not necessarily mean he has proof

thanks JE
I trust you are correct. If Patrick has knowledge of what possibly occurred, he needs to explain himself. In my opinion, he has made a statement that he knows something. Now, he needs to explain it to the Authorities.

P.S. I expected someone to say it was a translation problem. We have heard that one before too...lmao

Hotping, right he did give a statement, but he might need to clarify his latest remarks. If Patrick gave a detailed statement to Mos regarding the confession and included information we are not privy to, it would have had to lead to the arrest of Joran and his accomplice. The accomplice has never even been interrogated according to Joran. So, that person, if identified to Mos last week, would have had to give a declaration. I see no arrests, so I can only conclude that Patrick has not told Mos the name of this person. He may need to clarify his earlier statement.

So what?  He "knows" who threw the body....Joran says he "knows" stuff too but there was nothing done about him so why is Patrick any different?  Heck...from what I have learned all you have to do is say "I was stoned and lying" and go on about one's business....I'm starting to think that all this taped business doesn't mean JACK SH>>....MO

[ala_gunslinger]

Haven't we got any aruban/papiamentu speaking posters who can take the guesswork out of these translations?
I just went with what revu wrote I'm quite sure my translation was quite accurate but like Ceasu said who knows if revu's translation is correct in the first place?

Where is Hoshe and that Universal Translator!!! - Captain Archer

[Bladerunner]

PvdE:But wait, I could have not lived with myself, if I knew him for many years and knowing that he did something like this . .But now I took it off like it was nothing. But this thing had to be this way man. When I heard that he was coming to Arnhem, I thought about it already, see when I meet you I will finish you off, I knew it then. I enter the casino (beep).. there I threw my fishingline, and I held him on a line for 7 months… (beep) the second time they picked him up……

if i read this it is not like Patrick knew Joran for many years.
but it is like when he met Joran at the casino he couldn't have lived with himself (for years) without trying to get Joran to confess.

this could be a better papiamentu translation than the Revu did.

the last part is just the Revu translation with the line the police and press getting money.
and that he knows who dumped her in the sea.

i very much doubt this translation (if Patrick even said it) because Revu had it apparently wrong in the translation about how long Patrick knew Joran.

add to that Peter R. saying they got the translation wrong.
add to that Patrick coming on Jensen's show after knowing the was secretly taped on tele aruba (he must have known that because the broadcast was on sunday).
add to that Stan de Jong co-wrote the Revu article.
Stan de Jong is together with Steve Brown archenemy of Peter R. de Vries.

i conclude the Revu played up a big hoax.

very well done Revu. more misinformation floating around popping up everywhere. 
as if there is not enough of that already.

I think it could also be interpreted to mean that Patrick is saying IF he was someone who DID know Joran for years and heard him say these things and did nothing about it then he could not live with himself knowing he did nothing. Kind of like if your old friend told you he killed someone and you don't go to the police.

yes that is a simular interpretation more likely than the Revu misinterpretation.

but the misinformation is out there. tomorrow it is in the papers.
it will be quoted numerous times over and over again.

Any press is good press as far as I'm concerned. People aren't stupid, they will figure out what is REALLY going on. Especially, if the monetary payoff angle is featured, hopefully it will be.

[caesu]

PvdE:But wait, I could have not lived with myself, if I knew him for many years and knowing that he did something like this . .But now I took it off like it was nothing. But this thing had to be this way man. When I heard that he was coming to Arnhem, I thought about it already, see when I meet you I will finish you off, I knew it then. I enter the casino (beep).. there I threw my fishingline, and I held him on a line for 7 months… (beep) the second time they picked him up……

if i read this it is not like Patrick knew Joran for many years.
but it is like when he met Joran at the casino he couldn't have lived with himself (for years) without trying to get Joran to confess.

this could be a better papiamentu translation than the Revu did.

the last part is just the Revu translation with the line the police and press getting money.
and that he knows who dumped her in the sea.

i very much doubt this translation (if Patrick even said it) because Revu had it apparently wrong in the translation about how long Patrick knew Joran.

add to that Peter R. saying they got the translation wrong.
add to that Patrick coming on Jensen's show after knowing the was secretly taped on tele aruba (he must have known that because the broadcast was on sunday).
add to that Stan de Jong co-wrote the Revu article.
Stan de Jong is together with Steve Brown archenemy of Peter R. de Vries.

i conclude the Revu played up a big hoax.

very well done Revu. more misinformation floating around popping up everywhere. 
as if there is not enough of that already.

I think it could also be interpreted to mean that Patrick is saying IF he was someone who DID know Joran for years and heard him say these things and did nothing about it then he could not live with himself knowing he did nothing. Kind of like if your old friend told you he killed someone and you don't go to the police.

yes that is a simular interpretation more likely than the Revu misinterpretation.

but the misinformation is out there. tomorrow it is in the papers.
it will be quoted numerous times over and over again.

Any press is good press as far as I'm concerned. People aren't stupid, they will figure out what is REALLY going on. Especially, if the monetary payoff angle is featured, hopefully it will be.

i totally agree. media attention is good. because peter r. was today in two tv-shows to debunk revu.
now revu has to come up with something to proof their translation is correct. and on and on.

the ditch just keeps on smelling worse.
patrick lifted the lid. and many ditch-people don't like that.

i am sure peter r. has a lot more. like GMBW said. peter r. has leads for his next program.
but peter r. stays quiet about those leads as magazine like Revu go spreading misinfo about those leads beforehand.

[caesu]

SERIE: DE ANTILLEN, DEEL 2: ANTILLEN CORRUPT BOEVENNEST?

PVV-Kamerlid Brinkman noemde de Antillen een corrupt boevennest en vanaf dat moment bleven de deuren op het eiland voor Nederlandse Kamerleden gesloten.     
     NOVA ging op onderzoek en sprak met de eilandbewoners. Bewoners die niet op het lijstje staan van een officiële Kamerdelegatie. Zijn de Antillen echt een corrupt boevennest?

http://www.novatv.nl/index.cfm?ln=nl&fuseaction=videoaudio.details&reportage_id=5867&CFID=38449871&CFTOKEN=39632687

SERIES: THE ANTILLES, PART 2: ANTILLES CORRUPT GANGSTER NEST?

Pvv-MP Brinkman called the Antilles a corrupt gangster nest and as from that moment the doors on the island for Dutch Member of Parliament remained closed. NOVA went on research and spoke with the islanders. Citizen are not on the list of an official parliamentary delegation. Are the Antilles really a corrupt gangster nest?

this was on last night.
totally missed it due to the revu-hoax. but i'll watch it tomorrow.


this is quite offending article in St. Maarten Today newspaper:
comparing people who speak to NOVA to NAZI-traitors!!!!

[klaasend]

Posted by Glenda at RU:

Patrick threatens Poentje. TeleAruba canx tonight's show!

[klaasend]

Posted by Glenda at RU:

Patrick threatens Poentje. TeleAruba canx tonight's show!

So Glenda wants us to believe Patrick has some kind of power to get Poentje to cancel the show?   

[caesu]

Posted by Glenda at RU:

Patrick threatens Poentje. TeleAruba canx tonight's show!

i hope Patrick goes public on one of the dutch talkshows tomorrow.
those guys who wrote that Revu-BS-article better keep an eye open tonight.

[Tamikosmom]

Finally, a video segment:

PvdE: One day he will fall on his face.
You have no idea what his other relatives are doing. I will make sure that their entire lives become bitter. I have more then 120 sms messages in my possession.

PC: How do we know that this is not a trick between you and Joran?

PvdE: When you come to Holland I will show you something, haha.

I wonder what he means by the last line "I will show you something? And what are his other relatives doing (I think he is implying something illegal perhaps?) 

nice catch Bladerunner.

Again, body language, etc. here would be very helpful, as you could interpret those statement several different ways. Although this one seems pretty clear to me and I am on board with it 100%:

I will make sure that their entire lives become bitter.


 

Patrick van der Eem is so naive ... he lacks common sense.  If he continues down the same unwise path that is paved with underlying public threats against the VDS' ....

 

Logic dictates that the VDS' hold the power in regards to making lives "bitter".  Natalee Holloway's family can attest to it.  Paulus and Joran are untouchable.

Think about it ... Where is Mickey John?  Where is Barbeshe?  Where is Junior?  Patrick can only hope that these persons where compensated for their silence.

Janet

++++++++++++

Mickey John
On the Record w/ Greta
June 29, 2005

JOHN:.......He (Deepak) said a story being made up about dropping the girl of at a Holiday Inn, was all something being made up. He, and the Dutch guy, and the Dutch guy's father, they sit and made up the story.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161044,00.html


Jossy Mansur
Geraldo At Large
July 31, 2005

... The letter that we received is from the wife of the person with whom this guy was on the beach with between the Holiday Inn and Marriott wrote us because she was getting a annoyed that no one was paying attention to the declaration that this man gave to her husband at the hotel.

I will read it for you... The day after Natalee was missing a person called Barbeshe (Bar-Be-she) told a story that the night before he saw 3 people in front of the Holiday Inn with a girl's body. That they tried to take a towel from one the "walks fence's" (really hard to understand him here - sounds like he says "water sports dance or fence") to wrap the body and they could not get it down. Then one of them went to the garbage cans at the Holiday Inn and pulled the bags out and wrapped the body, then put her in the white pick-up and left. They went out and turned left towards the lighthouse and turned off on a dirt road and dug a hole and put her in it and threw out the shovel. He also said he told the police and they sent him on a 4 wheeler to try and find, locate the spot and he had been threatened by these people. This person has been seen on the beach everyday has no longer been seen after this and was known to be there daily.


Junior - The Landfill Witness
On the Record w/ Greta
August 4, 2005

JUNIOR: Am I certain?  Yes, I am really sure.  That is why I think, today, “I’m sure, I’m sure. I have no doubt in my mind.” Yes. Also the father, I believe, yes, yes. Also him. I was even more sure it was this girl because now there were two cars. The Police have two cars--the red Jeep, which… I saw that. I saw that because the red Jeep was fine, but that came later, that was the next day. I was near the place where she was buried--may she rest in peace. I was there, maybe, nine days later.

VAN SUSTEREN: What is his level of certainty?
 
JUNIOR: Am I certain?  Yes, I am really sure.  That is why I think, today, “I’m sure, I’m sure. I have no doubt in my mind.” Yes. Also the father, I believe, yes, yes. Also him. I was even more sure it was this girl because now there were two cars. The Police have two cars--the red Jeep, which… I saw that. I saw that because the red Jeep was fine, but that came later, that was the next day. I was near the place where she was buried--may she rest in peace. I was there, maybe, nine days later.

VAN SUSTEREN: If there were three, does the father make four, or, is the father one of the three?
 
JUNIOR: The father came in the Jeep. He got out of the car. He was standing there and he was pointing and asking things. I was working, you know, but he was far and he was talking. I was just working and looking. He kept asking if everything was okay. Yes, they asked him. I thought that they were asking him, that is what I thought they were doing, asking him, “Where? Where?”