Natalee Case Discussion #678 8/16 - 8/26/2007

[igsigs]

PVS called Guido that night ? Don't think so.

And the Marriott stop...to wash blood?  A little sketchy.

I would love to know when that Paulus/Guido phone call was, though.

[klaasend]

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    Re: OPEN DISCUSSION - NATALEE - AUG. 2007
« Reply #532 on: Today at 19:16:43 »   

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When jvds was dropped off at Flor's house, he picked up a key and
rode his bike back, at 2:26am he called 2ks to meet him at the pond
at this time he had a wreck on the bike,this explains the static that dk heard plus the bruise seen next day by his classmates. sk was driving, when jvds pulled up on his bike, sk jumped in back so  jvds could tell dk the plan. and they can't go because his car was too noisy, at this time around 2:35am, the gardener
drove by, at 2:40am, guido and andre pull up, 2ks head for home, at 2:45am
the body is loaded.2:45am jvds sends textmsg to 2ks that they were on their
way(the barb bushes was reason for scratches) at 3:00am the 2ks get home.
at 3:05am dk gets textmsg that body was delivered, at 3:11am jvds sends
textmsg to Flor telling her same messg.
                    Meetings
The first meeting was held at the Racquet club at 6:00pm mon,,5/30/05,
with Koen,Sander,Flor,Freddy,Amanda, Gilayla, so they could get their stories
straight, and when they would be paid, Koen and Sander were told to help
pvds steal the Crab Trap from Fishermans Huts later that night.
The second meeting was 8:00pm that night at Radisson Casino,with DK,
guido, Andre,Beto, also to get stories straight, also when they get paid..
also after 11:00pm pick up Natalee's body, and return jvds's house.
This is when DK,pvds,jvds, were burying the body next to the house, that
they were interrupted by Beth& Jug, and were sent on a wild goose chase,
so Dk and pvds could get the car moved, so nobody would have an excuse
to enter the prop. when the body was buried next to his house the two dogs were
digging up the body, jvds didn't go to school next day, body had to be moved inside, and put in freezer, prepare for final place. this also explains
new patio cement work
                         Alibis and Movies
2ks were seen cleaning the car on 5/30/05 next morning, but couldn't
removed all blood, he took his car to Automobile enterprise, to get it
detailed and replace seats if needed, then he went back to Pond area.
and police the area, (he was seen doing this by a witness, for T.J. Ward)
he took the C&C logo cups placed by entrance Marriott, drove to Arahi beach
to mark his spot(urinate), then took her under pants,condoms, tape, and
wrappers from condoms to Bird Sanctuary, to mis lead police.
jvds protrays himself after Richard Kuklinski (the Ice Man of N.J.) when you read the police car tapes,he calls the 2KS Friend after each sentence, and
at the end tells them he's going to kill them. he also kelp bodies in freezers.
this was his MO. he also was a sociopath
S. Croes is not involved, when he heard pvds had deep pockets, and paying
all the Pimps, he jump on the bandwagon.
2ks don't know where's Natalee's body is at..
why did pvds send two younger sons to Florida, when he got arrested??
On 6/3/05 fri. at 9:00pm Beto, koen, Sander, met at jvds's apt., and eat
pizza, and played cards, getting ready for a boat ride,after midnight they
got to Container Harbour, they were at berth #5, this is were they unload
containers import,export all weekdays, they are left open on weekends. so
 they can park mega cruise ships if needed, it's 820 ft. long, water is 32 to
36ft. deep, her hands were put into 2.5gal. her head also was put into a 2.5
gal. bucket  the hands were dropped at center of this dock by marker#5.
they travel north est. 200ft.then dropped her head and still went north
and dropped her body #45 buoy or marker, this is a channel and protected
from waves, they could have used a small boat?? oars or ele. motor, very quite..
Beto works part time for Caribbean overseas, very familiar with area.
koen,sander have boating experience.
I hope no one gets offended
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[Kat_Gram]

Well, I will not say anything. Want to know who is this person ?
Some of it sounds familiar like I read on Scrux a while back. Fjerleper ?

[klaasend]

Well, I will not say anything. Want to know who is this person ?
Some of it sounds familiar like I read on Scrux a while back. Fjerleper ?

Maybe.  Let's see if they post any more at BFN. Robin has posted now too.

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jvds called Flor to give him a key
to French's Steakhouse, 55 J.E.Irausquin blvd

Quote from: bleachedblack on Today at 14:33:25

Can you please tell us more about the purpose of this key? Why would they need to go to this Steakhouse?

codebreaker
Today at 15:39:31

because it was closed, and has a walk in cooler, plus most likey closed on mon.
also the body was removed mon. night.

 

codebreaker"s posts are interesting, a piecing to gether of "facts" IMO. The French Steakhouse (Manchebo Steakhouse) is the restaurant where Nadeira worked and was fired from if I recall correctly. I have been there several times in the past myself. I believe it is open 7 days a week but closes fairly early.........just not sure the perps would take a body into a restaurant freezer period.

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    Re: OPEN DISCUSSION - NATALEE - AUG. 2007
« Reply #538 on: Today at 20:05:06 »   

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Quote from: Debbie on Today at 19:23:51
Codebreaker, I will not be offended if you can back up your statements with facts that can be verified.  We want to find Natalee but we do not want to put this family through any more horror and wild goose chases than they have been already been through.

the family was informed by me in dec. of this location, but I
didn't have the marker numbers, my in fo comes from the liar of aruba,
and even they can't lie without 10% truth, it's easier to search a channel
or dock than an ocean, if it was your daughter what would you do.

[igsigs]

my info comes from the liar of aruba

Great! That narrows it down.  

[klaasend]

my info comes from the liar of aruba

Great! That narrows it down.  

We'll have to see if Codebreaker will be more specific.  There are appoximately 50,000 to choose from.  I know, the population of Aruba is more like 100,000 but I have to give some of them the benefit of the doubt.

[igsigs]

Klaas...sounds a little like espionage. Maybe?

[IndyDan]

Nice pix Indy.. And I did check to see if you had your buckie password protected !
Nice writing by Tim... Ty for sharing that with us

Kat - what's 'buckie password protected' mean?

[klaasend]

Klaas...sounds a little like espionage. Maybe?

Maybe

[Kat_Gram]

Well the markers are specific. And Beto is Jamie. Mistly the oards do not call him Beto. Debbie would have the person'e email addy from where they are posting. And if the family was given this info in Dec. they would know who and what the source is .

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    Re: OPEN DISCUSSION - NATALEE - AUG. 2007
« Reply #542 on: Today at 20:44:29 »   

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Quote from: rtst1 on Today at 20:41:18
Codebreaker -

If there were as many people involved as you say, why do you suppose that no one has spoken or broken under the scrutiny?  Perhaps someone who played a minor role?  Especially given the large reward or the opportunity to blow the whistile and cut a deal if necessary.  Who do you think the weakest link is in your scenario...the person most likely to tell the truth...?

With all the negative publicity Aruba has received because of this matter, it's possible that the individual who could solve this awful crime might even be considered a hero on the island.rtst1

 

THAT"S FLOR she is the weak link, without a doubt???
 

[klaasend]

Well the markers are specific. And Beto is Jamie. Mistly the oards do not call him Beto. Debbie would have the person'e email addy from where they are posting. And if the family was given this info in Dec. they would know who and what the source is .

Agreed Kat_Gram - they will be able to tell if it's the same person who gave the info back in Dec.

[crazybabyborg]

Hi guys! OK, I don't mind being dumb. Who's Flor? I just got here, sorry!


(Indy, check the lounge)

[Kat_Gram]

Nice pix Indy.. And I did check to see if you had your buckie password protected !
Nice writing by Tim... Ty for sharing that with us

Kat - what's 'buckie password protected' mean?

It means that I could not look at any of your other pix as there is a password !

[MuffyBee]

Nice pix Indy.. And I did check to see if you had your buckie password protected !
Nice writing by Tim... Ty for sharing that with us

Kat - what's 'buckie password protected' mean?

Not Kat, but think I can answer you question.  "buckie" = photobucket acct.  It can be set with password so it cannot be accessed by others.  You definitely want to have your photobucket acct. password protected.

[Elaine]

Hi Monkeys! Regardless of whether that post is real or not...it sure is interesting!

[Hotshot]

Well the markers are specific. And Beto is Jamie. Mistly the oards do not call him Beto. Debbie would have the person'e email addy from where they are posting. And if the family was given this info in Dec. they would know who and what the source is .

Agreed Kat_Gram - they will be able to tell if it's the same person who gave the info back in Dec.

Espionage = MIP6 or an employee of Jossys....They both were working with "R"=Psychic on the island right before I (we) arrived.  I dont think this is "R" though, We stayed at the Manchebo, but "R" stayed at Posners place by Hooters, where Tim used to stay.  "R" left us a letter on how to finish his work, where he was working, and this is not anything, or anywhere near where he was working, nor is it what he was doing.  Espionage was the one who told all on the internet when "R" was there last time, and put his life in danger.  "R" didnt have bouy numbers, nor did he think she was at sea.  He still believes she is up in the hills under an old cunucu house that isn't there anymore.  So this isn't that person.  I couldnt tell you if Manchebo has a walk in freezer, but can tell you that HI does.  OK now if Flor is such a weak link, then when they talked to her about the sex thing with JVDS, why did she then change her mind afterwards?  Do you think if she were interigated like Joran that she will tell all?  OK, I will be up all night following this, but have to go and shower first.  Be back shortly.

Hey Dan, I got my shirt and poster too.  Yessssss, gotta love Tim.  But wish he'd go back sooner then what he is.  Must be something behind that.

[crazybabyborg]

Backreading.........why would there be an inconsistency in which Kalpoe brother Joran knew first, and how well he knew Satish? It doesn't surprise me to discover lies, but the answer to this case is in the riddle of where the lies occur and figuring out why they lied, IMO.