Caylee Marie Anthony #168 8/09/10 - 8/16/10

[Irish Monkey]

I'm so disgusted with these people I need to do some ugly coping!         

[trimmonthelake]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-parents-today-show-20100813,0,4842581.story
Casey Anthony's parents on Today: 'A lot of stuff doesn't make sense'
The grandparents of slain Caylee Marie Anthony make their latest appearance on national television just days after the little girl would have turned 5.
By Bianca Prieto, Orlando Sentinel

8:39 a.m. EDT, August 13, 2010
Casey Anthony's parents, George and Cindy Anthony, reiterated their support for their daughter this morning during their latest appearance on national television.

Today host Meredith Vieira interviewed the Anthonys live from a studio in New York.

"I'm not certain of all of the forensic evidence," Cindy Anthony said, when asked why she still thinks her slain granddaughter Caylee is alive. "A lot of stuff doesn't make sense."

Their appearance was preceded by a recorded report by NBC's Kerry Sanders, who talked to the Anthonys on Wednesday.

The couple was interviewed inside their home on Hopespring Drive in east Orlando. Footage shows images of Casey's bedroom and Caylee's nursery, which have been left mostly the same, Sanders said.

Caylee's room has become a "shrine," he said.

Cindy Anthony speculated that Casey may have "seen" something related to the case. There was no elaboration.

The family celebrated what would have been Caylee's 5th birthday Monday by planting a bush in the backyard near the child's playhouse. The Anthonys, son Lee and his girlfriend, Mallory Parker, gathered for a dinner and cake to remember the toddler.

"We talked about how much she meant to us," George Anthony said.

Today's interview marks the latest in a string of national television appearances for George and Cindy Anthony. In June, they appeared on ABC's Good Morning America to discuss the 2-year-anniversary of their granddaughter's disappearance.

At the time, George Anthony called the last two years "just unbearable" and he displayed a tattoo he had inked on his chest to commemorate the little girl, who would have turned 5 on Monday.

Her remains were found near the home she had shared with her grandparents and her mother, Casey Anthony, who is accused of killing the little girl in 2008.

Casey Anthony has been at the Orange County Jail since October 2008 on a first-degree murder charge.

Bianca Prieto can be reached at bprieto@orlandosentinel.com or 407-420-5620.

[no rose colored glasses]

"I'm not certain of all of the forensic evidence," Cindy Anthony said, when asked why she still thinks her slain granddaughter Caylee is alive. "A lot of stuff doesn't make sense."        It isn't working Cindy, obviously you are saying this crap to taint the jury pool, have at it, won't work. All people will take from this is you are insane.

[trimmonthelake]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/08/caylee-anthony-george-cindy-visit-today-for-a-nothing-interview.html
Caylee Anthony: George, Cindy visit ‘Today’ for a nothing interview Caylee and Casey Anthony, George and Cindy Anthony, MSNBC, NBC, Orlando, Today, WESH — posted by halboedeker on August, 13 2010 9:11 AM
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Interviewing George and Cindy Anthony: It’s a thankless task. The parents of Casey Anthony rarely say anything new in their nationally televised interviews.

That was the case again this morning on NBC’s “Today” in a live interview with Meredith Vieira. George and Cindy did get a trip to New York, and perhaps they could compare parenting notes with Dina Lohan, who gave “Today” an exclusive interview about troubled daughter Lindsay.

So the interview evidently paid off for the Anthonys, but it was a bust for viewers. The couple talked about marking what would have been granddaughter Caylee’s 5th birthday on Monday. “We tried to think of all the good things that that little girl brought into our lives every single day,” George said.

Their daughter, Casey, is charged with first-degree murder in the death of Caylee. The Anthonys held a memorial service for Caylee, but Cindy said last month that she believes the little girl is still alive.   

“I’m not certain of all the forensic evidence,” Cindy told Vieira. ”There’s a lot that just doesn’t make sense to me. I have not been able to find anything in it that actually proves it’s Caylee.”

Cindy added that she has had “other people” looking at the forensic evidence. Who could those people be?

Vieira asked if Cindy is saying there’s a cover-up or is it too painful to believe the child is dead. “I don’t know,” Cindy said. “A lot of stuff just doesn’t make sense to me.”

If that’s the case, maybe she should stay off television. Or Cindy could start watching “Dr. G: Medical Examiner.”


Vieira asked Cindy about her 911 call that set the case in motion two years ago. “I was hysterical,” Cindy said. “I don’t know why I said what I said.”
Cindy added that she never thought there was a dead body in the car, even though that’s what she said in the 911 call. “Knowing what I know now, I probably would have never even have made that statement,” Cindy told Vieira.

Yet in an interview with NBC’s Kerry Sanders that preceded the Vieira chat, Cindy said she wouldn’t change anything on the 911 calls. “It wasn’t anything rehearsed,” Cindy said.

Cindy’s lack of consistency is infuriating.

Vieira asked if George and Cindy still have total faith in Casey. “I’m going to stand behind Casey because No. 1 I’m her father,” George said. “I want to find out what happened to Caylee. I do. … So does Cindy. I just can’t throw my hands up or just be done with my daughter.”

But what is his reaction to Casey’s allegations that he sexually abused her? Vieira didn’t ask.

Sanders’ taped report took viewers into Caylee’s bedroom, which remains a shrine. Cindy defended her daughter, saying nothing in the evidence links Casey to Caylee’s murder.

Sanders asked if they have considered that Casey killed her daughter. George said maybe he’s in denial. ”Maybe Casey panicked,” Cindy said. ”Casey might have seen something or someone else.”

Whatever that might mean. Sanders had 81 minutes with the Anthonys, and you’ll find his interview at msnbc.com. Let’s see if there’s more there.

Yet George and Cindy hardly said anything to justify that trip to New York. That’s what happens when you put confused people who are in denial on national television. They need therapy, not airtime.

[shy-monkey]

Hi all-boy oh boy how I have missed this forum, I am so far behind now and am dying to see this interview.Until then I do have a couple of comments and a question. Sorry this is so long, it does have a purpose.

First comment is explaining why I'm not among the anti-George and Cindy group-I'm not necessarily for them either, but 9 years ago I could have been them and up to the point where I was living it, I could have written a book on exactly what to do, how I'd be-etc. Not only was the picture a little different looking out from the inside, when it was my own family it was affecting, the whole call police, report her to child protection, was a little, as in a whole LOT more involved than a simple call the authorities and the child protection fairies fly in and fix everything. Knowing what I know now they would only be called if I dialed them by accident-they were 0 help and after filing a report, that turned in to us kidnapping, we could be of no help either.

Anyway back to my could have been George and Cindy story and why I have followed this story, since day 1. Jail straightened my daughter up, (thank you God) by the time her son was a year and a half and when her son was 5 she had the most amazing little girl ever. A little girl that just happened to be born 4 months after Caylee and when this case first broke, daily, we all heard various versions of "she looks so much like that missing girl in Florida!" A few even quizzed my daughter for details to rule out M wasn't a Caylee sighting.

The combination of it all that made me realize the story of her and my grandson could have just as easily not been the happy ending we are so thankful to have gotten. B's mom was also an older teenage mom, by older I mean this happened when she was 18-19, so she was also a legal adult, with 100% control over her own minor son, even though she was my daughter and they were living in my home. The first time I realized beyond any doubt that H was drugged up and being an idiot leaving for days at a time, I called my 20 year old pregnant daughter's work and had her come home early. Her and her husband were staying with me to be closer to the hospital and because of the whole H situation. Up until that day I had hopes that maybe I was wrong and had family reminding me H was my daughter and family needs to help family, not drag in outside authority. She's my daughter, I raised her so it was easy to agree until the day I was yanked out of denial. The day I decided I had no choice but to take on raising a grandson, 4 months older than my youngest daughter and have his mom booted out completely until she chose to get her act together.

After a giant scene of her threats, after we refused to let her in the house and all her other weird cracked out behavior, we called 911-it killed me but I was out of options and B wasn't safe with these new friends. It killed me to make the call because she is my daughter, so some of the blame should be mine, I had to have failed her some how, but looking at her son, he had no choice and we all truly feared for his life. I wanted him safe and away from drugs and alcohol so I hysterically called CPS-knowing that call could easily be the call that caused my daughter to hate me for life. The immediate goal was B's well being.

To put it lightly that plan failed tremendously. I only avoided getting handcuffed because my 20 year old married, pregnant daughter took the entire fall for the so called "kidnapping" charges, H filed on us when the police and CPS showed up. When B was dumped off on my doorstep that same morning he was a mess. (Dumped meaning, strapped in his carseat with a quick ring of the doorbell and a sprint back to her ride before I could stop her)-she later said she knew I'd keep him under any circumstances, but she was done listening to my stupid lectures). He was 8 months old at this time and he stunk so bad we were all gagging. we ended up tossing his ruined clothes they stunk and were not fixable. B had a runny nose, smelled like a crap covered cigarette and had poop all the way up the back of his clothes to being matted in his Hair I was livid. My mom, my oldest daughter and I sat for hours trying to figure out how to go about keeping him with me and her, who the hell cared at that time. We finally decided we would finish up her laundry, pack a few bags full of clothes, food, makeup, shampoo etc, change the locks and pray she straightened up before ending up dead or in prison for life. All the above caused the scene which lead to the 911 calls we made, that got the police there to remove H and witness her wild rant. Wrong-we had her son in our house, refusing to let his mother have him- H claimed her bizarre behavior was due to us kidnapping her son and she demanded to press kidnapping charges on us. first mistake, B was clean and cared for when they showed up-they don"t write reports on clean cared for kids, they said had we called when he was initially dumped off they could have came and written a report, 3 non life threatening reports and she could end up losing her son. Kidnapping charges, you just need one. Filing an unfounded CPS report is also punishable, I can't remember how much jail time we both could have faced had she disputed our claims and them ending up as closed and unfounded claims.

That's the day we all watched a crying baby boy get in a car with a bunch of wasted losers-yes the police knew all but the driver were high,  evidently it isn't against the law to be high on various legal and illegal drugs, it's illegal to posses and/or use illegal drugs and neither CPS or the police had witnessed them using. When the police asked them if they were under any influence they said "no" and when they asked if they could search their car another "no" so other than giving the driver a DUI test and have him willingly blow in a balloon deal and pass, there was nothing they could do. Well besides escorting my name calling daughter, who now hated all of us, in to the house to get the rest of her stuff, and tell us that as long as we leave her the eff alone she would consider dropping the felony kidnapping charges against her sister. Our hopeless search for my grandson ended a few months later when H called from jail begging me to try to locate and get custody of her son.

They allowed me to go in to the jail to get a list of places he may be and while I was there the police pulled me aside to let me know that after pulling all of H's arrest and CPS records, they learned that she had since had multiple CPS complaints and with all of them combined they "might" have enough to legally remove him from her custody. Um she was in jail so duh-that was a given. Then this same cop that had handcuffed my oldest kid for bogus kidnapping charges, proudly told me all about proper procedures and how they may take extra time, but at the end of it all they're great at what they do and have cases like H's to prove it-he also, out of the kindness of his heart?-did my oldest daughter the big huge favor of sending a copy of the full report to the PA in hopes the kidnapping charges would be dropped even if H tried to push the issue. Regardless we couldn't even apply for temporary custody of B with the pending kidnapping charges, but still??? I was speechless. I could literally go on forever but long story short he was removed and put in protected foster care-3 houses worth-the first one had another foster child his age, die in their care soon after they took in B, so he was moved, 2 days after that move another foster child at home 2 drowned-evidently they weren't approved for infants and toddlers because their above ground pool wasn't fenced with a locking gate, but, as they said " with the shortage of foster homes in this county sometimes those type of trivial details get overlooked."  especially on weekends.

By foster home 3 it had been about a month and my remorseful daughter had sobered up, realized what she had done, was willing to spend the rest of her life in jail, be killed whatever, she just wanted B back with me. Her in total agreement, had me go to court with B's dad, to establish paternity, then custody and set up a transition to his dad's.
 
They're all great now but after watching her self destruction over that year and since talking about what had happened, she says she's not sure-that being a full time mom and working full time had made her really tired. A coworker gave her meth and she could keep up and then some, but somewhere along the path of keeping up, the meth took over and between withdrawells and needing more and more to get the same effects, she lost herself and turned in to someone she hated. The line between her choosing drugs and drugs choosing her was so blurred she can't even say when her downward spiral began.

All of Casey Anthony's actions during the time Caylee was missing reminded me of a totally addicted meth etc druggie, but everyone close to this case remains adamant that she only drank, never used drug, except maybe pot a couple of times. I'm just wondering if they've ever clinically backed up. Or if I'm the only one that thinks she was using. Not that, that's an excuse for what she did to her daughter, but it could be a reason, and that said drug tragedies with examples like Caylee, have the potential to scare people from even using the first time. Even if it only saved one kid, maybe I'm wishful thinking, there just seems to be more and more Haleigh, Caylee, Syler with drugs a factor type stories lately.

Last comment is after 2+ years of thinking about had this been my story and my grandchild killed, by his mother. I'm not 100% sure I would have acted any different than they have. Everything about Cindy's tone the day she called Casey in reminded me of the day I called my daughter in. Had it went from my initial phone call to *your daughter, killed her kid, drove around in her car with her dead baby in the back, then tossed her out like garbage* I think my first thought would be total shock and being horrified. Then between a mental breakdown and trying to wrap my head around all of it, I can see where a combination of where did I go wrong-I shoulda-coulda etc thoughts combined with someone backing me up and actually making me picture my kid doing this mind boggling series of events to her own child, might possibly cause a sigh of relief. Relief caused because at that point all the "scared to take a fish off the hook" ......"wouldn't take a dead mouse off a trap" etc scared of anything dead stories come flooding in to be used as mental confirmation that the kid in question wouldn't be capable of doing this to a mouse, so no way could she to her own child. whew....at that point crap like the whole zanny the nanny story pale in details and may be easy to buy in to.

After Caylee was found, this was a common topic where I live, with everyone pointing out the obvious stuff that screamed Casey was lying and looking guilty and how her parents are idiots for not seeing it. I will admit watching from the outside made me question how they couldn't see the obvious too. Still overly focused on figuring out what I would really do if this was my daughter and my family involved, I always had to ask what made others so sure they'd see the same lies and act no different even if it was their kid accused. To explain almost everyone started off in a pretend scene, playing the role of Casey's mom or Casey's dad, using unknown to them, Casey as the daughter in question-Once I'd explain my question clearer and was asking a generic what if same everything, except the people involved were their own family, nearly everyone couldn't answer since they claim there is no way their daughter could even read about that horrific of a crime, let alone take part in it-noway- then they'd quickly move on to telling wouldn't hurt a fly, total daddy's girl type stories as proof-never could be their kid.  A few years ago I'm pretty sure it couldn't have been George and Cindy's kid either.

I think George and Cindy bounce back and forth from denial, their daughter couldn't have done this even had she wanted to, to the realization she is guilty and there's a real chance that besides Caylee being gone, they could also be losing their only daughter. Cindy's 911 call obviously didn't cause what happened to Caylee, but I can't help thinking Cindy blames herself for starting the ball rolling towards a possible death sentence.

[trimmonthelake]

http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/2010/08/13/george-and-cindy-anthony’s-body-language-and-facial-leaks-on-today-show-reveal-they-may-believe-casey-killed-caylee-but-cindy-still-spins-blame-on-others/
George and Cindy Anthony’s Body Language and Facial Leaks on Today Show Reveal They May Believe Casey Killed Caylee But Cindy Still Spins Blame On Others
08/13/10

[ccndixie]

This is a really bitchy comment but I can't resist - someone had remarked earlier that women of a certain age need to re-think sleeveless dresses.  This is especially true of Rosebud, particularly since she has porked up considerably since the early days of stressouts and no sleep.  Her upper arms looked like Virginia hams.  (So do mine, but I try to keep them covered up.)  Only one more characteristic of a really disgusting situation. 

[no rose colored glasses]

shy-monkey thank-you for sharing your story    I have tried to put myself and what I would have done if I were Cindy. I can honestly say, I don't know, but what I do know is that I never would have been so public making comments and going on TV shows. I'm a private person and that wouldn't be in my behavior, also I know that I wouldn't have lied or obstructed justice, that is against what I believe, I would back her, I wouldn't cover for her.

[no rose colored glasses]

This is a really bitchy comment but I can't resist - someone had remarked earlier that women of a certain age need to re-think sleeveless dresses.  This is especially true of Rosebud, particularly since she has porked up considerably since the early days of stressouts and no sleep.  Her upper arms looked like Virginia hams.  (So do mine, but I try to keep them covered up.)  Only one more characteristic of a really disgusting situation. 

Mine are covered also, and my arms aren't as flabby, I just don't want to make anyone sick looking at my arms     
Yet George and Cindy hardly said anything to justify that trip to New York. That’s what happens when you put confused people who are in denial on national television. They need therapy, not airtime.    Now this is the best statement I've seen in a long time.

[Desdemona]

"The family celebrated what would have been Caylee's 5th birthday Monday by planting a bush in the backyard near the child's playhouse. "

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-parents-today-show-20100813,0,4842581.story

 

[no rose colored glasses]

"The family celebrated what would have been Caylee's 5th birthday Monday by planting a bush in the backyard near the child's playhouse. "

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-parents-today-show-20100813,0,4842581.story

 

I swear the two of them need to be locked up in a rubber room, that is all I can say.

[trimmonthelake]

Meredith Vieira Interview with The Anthonys
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/38690422#38690422
08/13/10

[ccndixie]

Shy-Monkey-----WOW!  What a post.  You sound heroic to me, having been thru stuff none of us want to even consider happening in our own families.  I see no comparison between you and Cin-Cin based on your honesty and willingness to admit that maybe your daughter's actions could have been partially caused by something you did or failed to do.  Sounds as though everything turned out good for you.  Thanks for sharing that...a new perspective is always great to hear.

[trimmonthelake]

http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/08/my-instinct-by-cindy-anthony.html
Friday, August 13, 2010
Cindy Anthony: Family Involvement?

[Irish Monkey]

Thanks for the links Trim.  Those were spot on!

[Desdemona]

When asked his take on the fact that the prosecution believes Casey killed Caylee, all George can come up with, over and over again, is "I don't wanna believe that my daughter is capable..."  yadda yadda

He never says "I DON'T BELIEVE" she did it.  Just that he doesn't WANT to believe it.

And each time he's asked about Casey's possible culpability, he says he believes "someone else" had to have been involved.  He is equivocating:  He wants Cindy to think he means someone else, and not their precious Casey.  But he actually comes across (IMO) as non-verbally accepting Casey's guilt, while theorizing that someone else, who remains at large, must have been involved.

Oh.  And how can Cindy justify her inexplicable certainty that Casey didn't harm Caylee?  According to Cindy, it's a no-brainer.  Ready? 

Fact:  Casey is made from the same cloth as Cindy. 
Fact:  Cindy herself could never harm another person or do anything violent. 

Voila!  Solid proof of Casey's innocence.  Next question?
 

Oh, and what does the future hold?  Well, this time next year (according to Cindy) Casey will be home after being exonerated, helping her parents with their renewed efforts with the Caylee foundation.......  Right.  And then pigs will fly, Cindy. 

Note: This is in my own words; just observations from watching the Sanders interview.  Thanks for the links, Trimm.

[Scatty]

http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/24612251/detail.html

"But yet, there's nothing.  Their[sic] must be saying that Casey ... must have been so calculated that she was able to ... put Caylee's remains down there without any ... [here Cindy suddenly blinks, frowns, looks down, pauses to think] ... any ... ANY link ... to her."

This is between 1:33 and 2:12 in the video.
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Everyone may not agree, but I find it suspiciously odd that Cindy would refer to Caylee as "remains" in this context.

If Cindy is trying to challenge the theory that Casey dumped Caylee on Suburban shortly after having killed her, then we are not talking about "remains." What was "put down there" at that time would have been Cindy's precious Caylee.  Or Caylee's still-intact body... a BODY, which would not become "remains" -- until she had lain out there in the swamp and the woods for months, to be skeletonized, ravaged by insects, and torn apart and scattered by scavenging animals.
 

In other words, at the time Caylee was DUMPED (referred to by Cindy as "being put down there") -- at the time that Casey would have last been in contact with Caylee's body and therefore left evidence -- she would have been handling a deceased Caylee.

When I think about it, I find the phrase "...to put Caylee's remains down there..." to be worth questioning.

It may seem like a small discrepancy, but I'm thinking this may have been a verbal slip-up.  In fact, to me, in the video Cindy seems to react to having made a faux-pas when she realizes what she has said.  To me it looks like an uh-oh moment, when she frowns, looks down, and pauses.  She seems momentarily shaken by it, and then finishes the thought and rallies herself to start angrily listing the evidence she claims "they" DON'T have on Casey.

Was "HELP" the word Cindy had to stop herself from saying? The word "help" must raise all kinds of ramifications in her mind.

[trimmonthelake]

Thanks for the links Trim.  Those were spot on!

We are all gonna need therapy after this trial.   

[Desdemona]

Thanks for the links Trim.  Those were spot on!

We are all gonna need therapy after this trial.   

We have to wait till AFTER?

[Irish Monkey]

Thanks for the links Trim.  Those were spot on!

We are all gonna need therapy after this trial.   

We have to wait till AFTER?

I need it YESTERDAY!