Natalee Case Discussion #838 6/12/10 -6/14/10

[Ono]

The Peruvian anger reminds me of the white hot burning anger I'd feel every time
Joran would taunt Natalee's family - when he would speak of sharks.

I'd like very much to stuff his head and mount it on my wall.

That shark speak was just plain meanness.

Gutter talk, just like Anita talking to Beth about Natalee's underwear.  They are low-class people claiming to be middle class community-oriented, family people, but their deeds speak louder and the bellicose Aruba is despicable.  Otherwise, they would disown this whole wretched family.  If even one of the VDS family turns out well, it's a stroke of the odds of fate.

I agree.

[Anna]

Stephany Flores Family demands life sentence

Edward Alvarez, attorney for the family of Stephany, said new evidence and testimony presented to support that the motive was robbery. Meanwhile, the defense of the Netherlands reported that leave the case.

Flores Stephany's family demand through his lawyer, Edward Alvarez, the penalty of life imprisonment for the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, the confessed murderer of the girl, who since last Friday is being held in a cell of the Miguel Castro personal Castro.

Counsel contended that new evidence and testimony presented to support that the motive was robbery. He argues that the indictment for murder, the foreigner would get a very light sentence and could go free in about eight years.

'The police report is weak and insufficient because only are based on the demonstration of the Netherlands. We present new evidence and testimony revealed that the motive for the crime would have been robbery, "said by the newspaper Peru 21.

According reflects the average Stephany's family insists that she would have earned about $ 10,000, proceeds from their poker games, but that money was not found in the pickup of the girl or the crime scene.

'If it is established that he committed robbery followed by death, Joran receive life imprisonment. In addition, lack of information on the laptop, which is crucial to know whether or not a message received on the case of Aruba, "he explained.

Alvarez also said he requested the crossing of information from cell phone calls Stephany, and indicated that they will have the testimony of a journalist who followed the Aruba case of American Natalee Holloway, whose disappearance occurred in May 2005 is involved Van der Sloot.

Advocate leave if Van der Sloot

The Dutchman's lawyer, Max Highness Navarro, told El Comercio that will leave the legal defense of the accused for murder.

'Relatives of Van der Sloot will come to Lima on Tuesday or Wednesday and sought a new lawyer. My family has had many problems and I'm away from this case, "he said.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-14-familia-de-stephany-flores-exige-cadena-perpetua-para-van-der-sloot-noticia_272154.html

Now that's what I'm talking about!

He even stole her car not to mention money!  Robbery + murder = life sentence.

End of discussion.

I know Joran would not likely last even 35 years in prison there but with this 2 days for every 1 served, etc. there is a chance he could get out eventually.  With the life sentence it removes all that.

Joran will likely die in Castro-Castro but I want him to know he will.  I want it to be in his mind each and every day he is there--that he is NEVER getting out no matter what.

Ozzie's posted a link to this this morning as well so I am pretty sure thhis is true and also that it is going to happen.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Could someone direct me back to the context where Anita's "delicious sporter" comment came from? Did she say it in english (in which case she maybe didn't quite understand the nuance of what she was converying) or was this a translation? Every time I hear this I picture her licking her lips at the deliciousness of him, like a person eyeing a pastry. Which is kind of a gross image on many levels.

iirc, it was from one of Anita's early interviews/statements regarding Joran.  I'd have to look a bit to see if I can find it.   It may have been a translation...I just don't recall at this time.  (I'm sure there may be a monkey who might bring it forward for you faster than I can)

[cece]

http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/lima-peru/

June 14, 2010 | 3:02 PM ET
Lima, Peru

[Ono]

CNN just had Jean C on who is in Peru.  She spoke to Urine's former lawyer the Highest Maximus.  He said he wanted OFF the case.  Case has a load of problems.  If she wanted to know more talk to the family as they are in control and are looking for another private lawyer to take the case.  If they can not find one then he gets assigned a public defender.

Highest Maximus is washing his hands of it by the sounds of things. 

Smart move by Highest.  lol

[carpe noctem]

CNN just had Jean C on who is in Peru.  She spoke to Urine's former lawyer the Highest Maximus.  He said he wanted OFF the case.  Case has a load of problems.  If she wanted to know more talk to the family as they are in control and are looking for another private lawyer to take the case.  If they can not find one then he gets assigned a public defender.

Highest Maximus is washing his hands of it by the sounds of things. 

Sounds like his Highest Maximus needed a Lysol break. Who could blame him?

Joran is like the "chronic bubonic"

You don't want that to spread. Terminate it with a quickness. No questions asked.

[Ono]

"Chronic Bubonic" .....LOL!   Love it.

[Gypsy DD]

It's actually quite ironic that the information that Joran has been keeping for five years is now irrelevant.  For five years Joran has taunted Dave and Beth with the Natalee's location.  He has lied, over and over, culminating in an extortion deal for $250,000 where he said he would reveal the information.  Then, the ironic part is that when he genuinely wants to play this trump card and says he'll tell the Aruban authorities where Natalee is (probably in exchange for some prison conditions), no one wants to hear him.  NO ONE wants to hear what he has to say and NO ONE believes him anymore.  The computer forensics have revealed what Joran would not reveal and are much more believable.  How ironic.

Unless I missed something today..I don't think the computer has been looked at in Peru.  They have to wait until a trial judge is appointed and then get him to go ahead an issue a warrant to look at what's on the computer hard drive.

[cece]

http://www.newspostonline.com/uncategorized/joran-van-der-sloot-the-probable-%E2%80%9Cdevil%E2%80%99s-advocate%E2%80%9D-steps-down-2010061585247

Joran Van Der Sloot: The probable “Devil’s Advocate” steps down

Al Pacino delivered a mind-blowing performance as the conscienceless lawyer defending Satan, but it seems there are some who have that sense of moral obligations to fulfill for. Many may recall the character the pragmatic, cynical Bar-at-law Charles Laughton played in “Witness  for Prosecution”. The Peruvian lawyer who was representing murder suspect Joran Van Der Sloot has stepped down from donning the white collar for the Dutch citizen on the verge of being framed for the murder of  Natalie Hollaway. Ms. Hollaway was an American student who vanished on 30th May,2005 while on her senior trip to Aruba.

Interpol has been searching for him for the suspected murder of 21 year old Sthefany Tatiana Flores Ramirez who was found dead in the Miraflores Hotel Tac after she went missing on Friday. It was her who mentioned that Van Der Sloot was the last person to see her alive. She left a casino with the suspect and that was the last time she was seen alive.

Amidst all the public angst this supposed murderer who screamed at him branding him to a “Discrace in the name of humanity”, his lawyer in a twitter conversation is reported to have withdrawn himself from defending Van Der Sloot.

It’s good to know in today’s world, a lawyer has developed a sense moral duty towards his fellowmates! Three cheers!

[seemeatthebeach]

None, of course the age of the computer makes a great deal of difference.  If he's used this laptop for some time, for years, it will have a lot of info on it.  Daddy Sloot may have been careful, but he couldn't control Joran after he left Aruba for the Netherlands.  Joran was a boastful braggart.  I believe the info is there.  Why else is Beth going to Peru? 

AZLady, of course you are correct. So sorry to have posted a differing opinion.

Have a great day !

I don't know if I'm correct, but I'd like to discuss this with anyone who might help me understand it better.  It just seems very odd that Beth is going to Peru, at least it is to me.  I welcome any other ideas.

To give her condolences to  Stephany Flores  family 

I agree. Natalee's family has said Stephany's family wishes to communicate with Natalee's parents. I believe Natalee's Aunt Linda (Allison) confirmed this in various media interviews last week.

[Gypsy DD]

http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/lima-peru/

June 14, 2010 | 3:02 PM ET
Lima, Peru

Thank you Cece..just beautiful!

[SunnyinTX]

None, of course the age of the computer makes a great deal of difference.  If he's used this laptop for some time, for years, it will have a lot of info on it.  Daddy Sloot may have been careful, but he couldn't control Joran after he left Aruba for the Netherlands.  Joran was a boastful braggart.  I believe the info is there.  Why else is Beth going to Peru? 

AZLady, of course you are correct. So sorry to have posted a differing opinion.

Have a great day !

I don't know if I'm correct, but I'd like to discuss this with anyone who might help me understand it better.  It just seems very odd that Beth is going to Peru, at least it is to me.  I welcome any other ideas.

Am I correct in saying that Steph is the only person who mentioned Beth going to Peru?  I am reading everyone's thoughts about it...but I am not going to speculate until/unless it is a fact.....anyone know for sure???

[Jo-An]

NEW Joran revealing documentary on SBS 6
Exclusive report from Peru with news about murder suspect

Wednesday, June 16 comes SBS 6 again with a documentary about Joran van der Sloot, and of course the latest news directly from Peru. In addition, the broadcast a reconstruction of the murder of Stephany Flores, on the basis of the released confession of Joran. Joran van der Sloot: an exclusive report from Peru, Wednesday, June 16 at 20.30 hours on display at SBS 6.

The new documentary includes an extensive reconstruction of the murder of Stephany Flores. This was made according to the confession of Joran van der Sloot, from minute to minute shows what happens on the night of the murder happened and what Joran was doing in the days to his arrest. Crime Reporter Peter R. de Vries shares his opinions on Joran confession and his desire to be transferred to another prison in exchange for information about the location of Natalee Holloway.

Of course the latest news from Peru included. SBS 6 reporters follow the developments closely and discuss the news among other Dutch people who live in Peru and the consequences of their hated fellow suffer. Also, the heavily guarded Castro Castro prison visit, where Joran is now in custody. An interview with a Dutch journalist, who has been undercover for a week inside the prison walls, explains Castro Castro called hell on earth is named.

Captured in Peru
Following the documentary about Joran van der Sloot, SBS 6 Captured in Peru sends out. The documentary tells the story of Rhonda Curtain in 2007 was arrested at Lima airport in Peru because there were drugs found in her suitcase. When her sister Samantha gets to hear the bad news, she travels down to Peru to assist her, as a prison in Peru is a nightmare. End of 2009 gets Rhonda remission and she is released. The Peruvian authorities are already struggling for months with her personal papers and to this day still Rhona fighting to survive in Peru. In a frank interview, she tells her tragic story.

http://www.sbs6.nl/web/show/id=916178/langid=43/contentid=188172/dbid=419/typeofpage=73941

I'll sure be watching!
It'll probably be online the next day here: http://www.sbs6.nl/web/show/id=916193/langid=43 (this also has the link of the docu that aired last week)

[seemeatthebeach]

Joran as of 1 hour ago, has no attorney representation. He will have to get another private attorney or he will get a appointed public defender......Jean Casarez from HLN (3:30pm EST)

Wed. Sat. and Sunday are visiting days at Castro Castro.

He has 1 visitor, yesterday, his lawyer.....who had him sign paperwork withdrawing from his case.

[EURobert]

Hi there,

Don't know if you've seen the (translated) full statement of Jurine in the Dutch Telegraaf yet.

http://tinyurl.com/35plaaq

Especially point 26 is weird:

"26. Is it true that you then have attracted her clothes and if so, why? (= put on her clothes)
- I really do not know, but I think so. It happened after her to have slain. It was her pants and her shoes, but nothing else. I do not know why I did it."

An investigative journalist/writer pointed out that he has seen this often with psychopaths who kill with a sexual motive.
So he thinks this possibly was a sexual murder.

Has there btw been other significant news today; any news on the bodily remains of Natalee?

I think that's a Spanish to Dutch translation error and it's meant to read he took OFF her pants.

Nothing really new today.

Maybe he wanted to make it to look like a sex crime.

Anyhow... He IS a nutcase.

[cece]

Jean Casarez just reported on HLN that Joran had one visitor yesterday.  His attorney.

visiting days are Wednesday, Saturday & Sunday.

[Sea Searcher]

SS

The quotes in the document were not submitted to the SM forum by  oceanexploration.  The quotes were submitted to a private forum by Kyle and brought over to SM.  For the most part ... oceanexploration revealed very little  of his concerns in his postings on the SM forum regarding the underlying dynamics encompassing the issue of the trap.

The former administrator (jen3560) of the Natalee's Freebirds shares an overview with the SM forum regarding what was behind the decision to expose what appeared to be a Persistence betrayal.  It is an excellent read.

Janet

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Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #411 on: December 30, 2008, 06:53:44 PM »

Sent to me by Natalee's Freebirds:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg603349#msg603349

Thanks for bringing me up to speed...all I can say is WOW

[cece]

Thank you Cece..just beautiful!

You're welcome Gypsy DD

Quite a contrast between life around the prison, & the beautiful pictures of the city & coast.

[Jules34]

Could someone direct me back to the context where Anita's "delicious sporter" comment came from? Did she say it in english (in which case she maybe didn't quite understand the nuance of what she was converying) or was this a translation? Every time I hear this I picture her licking her lips at the deliciousness of him, like a person eyeing a pastry. Which is kind of a gross image on many levels.

iirc, it was from one of Anita's early interviews/statements regarding Joran.  I'd have to look a bit to see if I can find it.   It may have been a translation...I just don't recall at this time.  (I'm sure there may be a monkey who might bring it forward for you faster than I can)

Thanks! Sorry to ask - I know it's a hassle for those who have been on constantly to have to dig up things for others. Though I was actually around at the time this comment was originally made, I just can't remember the context. It's just a curiousity thing. I'll try to search around when I get a chance.

[carpe noctem]

4 Joran van der Sloot
Published 06/14/10

Joran Van der Sloot has admitted that he is the murderer we knew he was all along, a fact that his dear departed daddy (an Aruban judge) may have helped to conceal.
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Shouldn't any US citizen who continues to own property in this corrupt coral paradise as well as any American who agrees to vacation there be required by law to take their own young daughters along with them as a symbol of their own indifference to the glaring arrogance and injustice that has been perpetuated by the government of this "sham nation?"

I would be tempted to brand any American who spends even one day in Aruba (before, let's say, 2020) as an audacious traitor to the United States as well as to the memory of Natalie Holloway (and now Stephany Flores). Thank God that villainous criminals like this dirt bag (who was unmistakably enabled by the Aruban authorities to strike again) are almost always recklessly brazen and conspicuously stupid.

KEN BARLOW

Annapolis

http://www.hometownannapolis.com/news/let/2010/06/14-47/4-Joran-van-der-Sloot.html