Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 - 3/25/08

[Silverfox]

1. The 5th suspect was at a party of some kind at his house. I have no evidence that he was at his home on the night in question with some friends over. Remember, it was a simple party...at his house.
2. He was the HOST of this party. If he had a party, I would assume he was the host, right?
3. The people at this party established his alibi for him saying he never left. We would need to know who was there...we have no idea about GVC.

Unless, of course... Natalee was taken to this party and met her demise there -- This has been a long-standing theory for the RWV days and has NEVER been disproved.

I agree...that is a theory that has indeed been long standing.  And believe it or not Capslock has resurrected it recently with his theories.  So you are correct, I just did not put it in there at the time.  It also opens a whole other can of worms. LOL

Course when one doesn't know what exactly they are fishing for sometimes it is good to change bait 

[Lala'sMom]

Lala’s…You knew this would bring me out from lurking!

Have a great Easter weekend everyone!

FREDDY,FREDDY,FREDDY!   Cool and crazy guy….Locoman

from Lala's:
In order to be the 5th suspect you have to meet these criteria:

1. The 5th suspect was at a party of some kind at his house. Relatives apparently interviewed. Friends interviewed.

2. He was the HOST of this party. See above.

3. The people at this party established his alibi for him saying he never left. See above.

4. The people that provided the alibi are the "party goers". Also above

5. He has some contact with Natalee a few days before. He met her in the casino. More than likely…It was Freddy as well as Joran who tried to hit on the tourists. ‘If he would strike out 20 times…he would make out on the 21st.’ (Now where did I hear that 20 times before?)

6. The alibi worked for him.  ‘Who said the alibi played for the Sloots?’ It appears it did. He is not listed as a suspect in the Natalee Holloway case.

7. He met Natalee first before Joran did. Highly possible…while Joran was in school. He worked at the Marriott/Champions. Soul Beach Festival Beach parties at Moombas during the day.
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Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:49 pm Post subject: Who framed who?
Take a close look at the famous picture.

Deepak, Joran and Satish at C&C. Whose hand is on Satish's shoulder? Take another look.
A really good look.

It can never be the hand of any of the three.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:07 pm Post subject: The mysterious hand...

See the hand. On the infamous picture in C&C. The boy in the middle and the Hindus on each
side.

Whose hand is on the shoulder of the Hindu on he left? Somebody is missing on this picture.
Maybe somebody was placed on this picture?

It seems more people are vanishing in this case.

Of course I did.  I intentionally left Freddy out of the mix just for you. Thanks!  This is why people should spend time in the Shango thread with us.  They miss so much over here sometimes. LOL

[Destiny]

1. The 5th suspect was at a party of some kind at his house. I have no evidence that he was at his home on the night in question with some friends over. Remember, it was a simple party...at his house.
2. He was the HOST of this party. If he had a party, I would assume he was the host, right?
3. The people at this party established his alibi for him saying he never left. We would need to know who was there...we have no idea about GVC.

Unless, of course... Natalee was taken to this party and met her demise there -- This has been a long-standing theory for the RWV days and has NEVER been disproved.

I agree...that is a theory that has indeed been long standing.  And believe it or not Capslock has resurrected it recently with his theories.  So you are correct, I just did not put it in there at the time.  It also opens a whole other can of worms. LOL

Well Lala's...in my way-back machine...it opens the cans of worms of...the PIMPS *procuring* for the Elders...hmmmmmmm
Then I end up spinning circles in the Lions Den...

[GBMW]

Wasn't there some websites of Jorans that were taken down in the early days 0f the case? Well, There is an article on the front page of yahoo that outlines how to find websites that have been gone for years. If there is any monkey here that knows what websites to look for and wants to give it a try heres the url http://tinyurl.com/36fafu

I used to have screenshots of some of his websites and the photos that were on there but my computer crashed a couple of times since then. I will check my computer at home tomorrow to see if I can find the sites.

[texasmom]

1. The 5th suspect was at a party of some kind at his house. I have no evidence that he was at his home on the night in question with some friends over. Remember, it was a simple party...at his house.
2. He was the HOST of this party. If he had a party, I would assume he was the host, right?
3. The people at this party established his alibi for him saying he never left. We would need to know who was there...we have no idea about GVC.

Unless, of course... Natalee was taken to this party and met her demise there -- This has been a long-standing theory for the RWV days and has NEVER been disproved.

I agree...that is a theory that has indeed been long standing.  And believe it or not Capslock has resurrected it recently with his theories.  So you are correct, I just did not put it in there at the time.  It also opens a whole other can of worms. LOL

Well Lala's...in my way-back machine...it opens the cans of worms of...the PIMPS *procuring* for the Elders...hmmmmmmm
Then I end up spinning circles in the Lions Den...

   

[Nut44x4]

O/T Klaas...I am doing some updates on older cases in missing peeps and found (so far) 2 threads re: Amy Bradley that, if possible, could be merged with the new one that Blonde recently made. Is it possible to merge
this one;  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1179.0 
and this one;  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=960.0 into this one; http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2675.0
No problem if you can't. I just thought it would be nice to have them all together. Thanks.

[klaasend]

O/T Klaas...I am doing some updates on older cases in missing peeps and found (so far) 2 threads re: Amy Bradley that, if possible, could be merged with the new one that Blonde recently made. Is it possible to merge
this one;  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1179.0 
and this one;  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=960.0 into this one; http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2675.0
No problem if you can't. I just thought it would be nice to have them all together. Thanks.

Done 

[Nut44x4]

O/T sorry to bug you Klaas, but this just in>>

Mansfield man missing since Mardi Gras is found dead in car in Louisiana

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2611.new#new

could you mark the thread when you get time? Thanks.

[Nut44x4]

Yes very strange, also items are cloned out look on the left side in the mirror you will see something gold that is not on the bed

Probably his golden Ben Wa balls

[Lala'sMom]

1. The 5th suspect was at a party of some kind at his house. I have no evidence that he was at his home on the night in question with some friends over. Remember, it was a simple party...at his house.
2. He was the HOST of this party. If he had a party, I would assume he was the host, right?
3. The people at this party established his alibi for him saying he never left. We would need to know who was there...we have no idea about GVC.

Unless, of course... Natalee was taken to this party and met her demise there -- This has been a long-standing theory for the RWV days and has NEVER been disproved.

I agree...that is a theory that has indeed been long standing.  And believe it or not Capslock has resurrected it recently with his theories.  So you are correct, I just did not put it in there at the time.  It also opens a whole other can of worms. LOL

Well Lala's...in my way-back machine...it opens the cans of worms of...the PIMPS *procuring* for the Elders...hmmmmmmm
Then I end up spinning circles in the Lions Den...

See what I mean? LOL

[Destiny]

Yes very strange, also items are cloned out look on the left side in the mirror you will see something gold that is not on the bed

Probably his golden Ben Wa balls

IMOO...this photo was *staged* and put on his/creep site for a very specific purpose...maybe to say...see Beth...this is where your daughter was...it is indeed very creepy...

[jackb]

Thanks Jack!  I remember a lot of discussion early in the case about an older man named Martin, seems like he was connected to Mr. Pink somehow IIRC.  Don't know if it's connected to what you're describing, just happened to think of it. 

Gag me @ Maarten...gross me out. You just had to remind me I have a folder with a bunch of his digustingness (lol) on my computer...gross.
Some of this may have already been posted...I still have a page or 2 to read to get caught up.

He uses or used to use a screen name of dutchdellboy1 and sometimes 2 on other sites...he has many other names too.
http://welcome.icq.com/people/about_me.php?uin=168089832
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showuser=20497
While searching him so long ago, I remember that he is listed on a gazillion sites as a member, but the profile is nearly empty. Everything from playing pool to playing with his weenie.

http://www.plentyoffish.com/member304603.htm

He posts on here--or at least he used to>>
http://www.coolthaihouse.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=7&sid=0236745e30e7b3d049a6301bfdb18c59

This link no longer works...I didn't check the main link to search for him again because he is gross.
http://meetingthaipeople.com/mtp/viewtopic.php?t=352&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

This site says he is getting married (post date 2006)...grossness
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showuser=20497

He used to be on this site
http://www.pool-table-rules.com/pool_association/AS3.php

Tickle no longer exists so his ticklemepenis is no longer tickled there...gross.


http://www.wayn.com/waynprofile.html?member_key=607254
http://www.wayn.com/wayntrips.html?wci=view&trip_key=397331

Misc. site
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1424188/replies?c=1054

He also has the same name as a Doc in NL
http://www.biomedcentral.com/profiles/authorindex/default.asp?action=display&id=2115658291347703

you can google all day and find him everywhere. He is a dirty old man perverted thug piece of shit waste of oxygen predator of young women and men. IF he is who and what he seems to be...

 

His connection may be that he uses and maybe sells this videotaped stuff.  He was in Aruba for awhile.  He may still be connected there (or was.)  They have a market from these dirty old men who live in Thailand.  (note: JM Carr.)  Old martin had what appeared to be statues, at first of BTK killer, J. Gacy, Dahmer, and the likes in this room.  There were sever pictures of a "room" of his on there, but after I got the "doll and dollhouse" that particular room pic got taken down.  I have all this, however.  The statues were pictures of them and books on a shelf.  I really have done some work.  I have made my rounds on this, for sure.   Thanks jackblue

[jackb]

I forgot to add that IMO if he is who and what he says he is then he is most likely involved in human trafficking.

I think so as well.  In some form or other.  Maybe receiving the videotaping of the victims and their misery if nothing else and distribution.  He would code these where they could not be seen unless there is a matching code.  Those people, some of them are good with computers, and are hard to catch as their community is closed except for their kind.  j/b

[bleachedblack]

jackb wrote;

His connection may be that he uses and maybe sells this videotaped stuff.  He was in Aruba for awhile.  He may still be connected there (or was.)  They have a market from these dirty old men who live in Thailand.  (note: JM Carr.)  Old martin had what appeared to be statues, at first of BTK killer, J. Gacy, Dahmer, and the likes in this room.  There were sever pictures of a "room" of his on there, but after I got the "doll and dollhouse" that particular room pic got taken down.  I have all this, however.  The statues were pictures of them and books on a shelf.  I really have done some work.  I have made my rounds on this, for sure.   Thanks.....

jackb hope you don't mind a few questions. How do you know Marten was definitely in Aruba? I have been aware of him and the speculative connections to this case from the beginning.....but sorry never heard of any statues, where did this information come from? I would appreciate it if you would please share some of your homework.

[cubbeegirl]

jackb wrote;

His connection may be that he uses and maybe sells this videotaped stuff.  He was in Aruba for awhile.  He may still be connected there (or was.)  They have a market from these dirty old men who live in Thailand.  (note: JM Carr.)  Old martin had what appeared to be statues, at first of BTK killer, J. Gacy, Dahmer, and the likes in this room.  There were sever pictures of a "room" of his on there, but after I got the "doll and dollhouse" that particular room pic got taken down.  I have all this, however.  The statues were pictures of them and books on a shelf.  I really have done some work.  I have made my rounds on this, for sure.   Thanks.....

jackb hope you don't mind a few questions. How do you know Marten was definitely in Aruba? I have been aware of him and the speculative connections to this case from the beginning.....but sorry never heard of any statues, where did this information come from? I would appreciate it if you would please share some of your homework.

Bleachedblack... I don't remember the statues either, but I do seem to remember speculation that he was on Aruba at the time of Natalee's disappearance, don't remember it ever being confirmed though....

[bleachedblack]

There is a Micheal Van Den Berg in Aruba, not sure if they are related, but as I mentioned considering the near obsession Marten had with writing to young under age girls in Aruba it would probably be more than coincidence but who knows.
 
In 2005 as I recall Micheal was manager of the spa at La Cabana.After that I think he and his wife opened some type of salon but don't recall where.

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09-06-2005, 01:07 PM
   
 
   
Michael van den Berg
 
Posts: n/a
   
Re: La Cabana Spa?
la Caban has an Intermezzo, resevrations through me if you wish, Enjoy !!

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Old  09-06-2005, 01:09 PM
   
 
   
Michael van den Berg
 
Posts: n/a
   
Re: La Cabana Spa?
Did you go to Intermezzo, which is very nice and warm, or to the beauty shop (yes shop)

Regards,

Mike
Intermezzo Day Spa
     
http://tinyurl.com/2p79em

[bleachedblack]

jackb wrote;

His connection may be that he uses and maybe sells this videotaped stuff.  He was in Aruba for awhile.  He may still be connected there (or was.)  They have a market from these dirty old men who live in Thailand.  (note: JM Carr.)  Old martin had what appeared to be statues, at first of BTK killer, J. Gacy, Dahmer, and the likes in this room.  There were sever pictures of a "room" of his on there, but after I got the "doll and dollhouse" that particular room pic got taken down.  I have all this, however.  The statues were pictures of them and books on a shelf.  I really have done some work.  I have made my rounds on this, for sure.   Thanks.....

jackb hope you don't mind a few questions. How do you know Marten was definitely in Aruba? I have been aware of him and the speculative connections to this case from the beginning.....but sorry never heard of any statues, where did this information come from? I would appreciate it if you would please share some of your homework.

Bleachedblack... I don't remember the statues either, but I do seem to remember speculation that he was on Aruba at the time of Natalee's disappearance, don't remember it ever being confirmed though....

Thanks cubbeegirl it would be interesting to know. I remember him writing/knowing at the time his name was coming up in relation to Natalee's case. I seem to recall that he wrote he had not been on Aruba for some 16 years? I find that hard to believe as he again, seemed to have an unusual fondness for the young women there.

[jackb]

jackb wrote;

His connection may be that he uses and maybe sells this videotaped stuff.  He was in Aruba for awhile.  He may still be connected there (or was.)  They have a market from these dirty old men who live in Thailand.  (note: JM Carr.)  Old martin had what appeared to be statues, at first of BTK killer, J. Gacy, Dahmer, and the likes in this room.  There were sever pictures of a "room" of his on there, but after I got the "doll and dollhouse" that particular room pic got taken down.  I have all this, however.  The statues were pictures of them and books on a shelf.  I really have done some work.  I have made my rounds on this, for sure.   Thanks.....

jackb hope you don't mind a few questions. How do you know Marten was definitely in Aruba? I have been aware of him and the speculative connections to this case from the beginning.....but sorry never heard of any statues, where did this information come from? I would appreciate it if you would please share some of your homework.

I do share it in the right time to whom I can.  Also the organized clubs in aruba will give you information about who belonged to what and what years.  Some in the 2005 era have been taken down, but there are others who have incomings of officers that precede the 2005 year and outgoing, etc.  Sort of like a chamber of commerce brag book.  It is best left said that some things people need to find and use if they can to support or not support where they are going.  If I put all that I have found and connected on this blog, no one else would have a chance to write or be heard and I would be backtracking in my work that I am doing.  I would also surmise that no one is going to go much past their own theories as it would just confuse.  I do stir the pot once in awhile, but for someone such as myself who would take tiny tiny pics off beer bottles in pics and enhance them to clear large pictures, I believe the tediousness of what I am doing would bore you to tears.  Jack b.

[cubbeegirl]

jackb wrote;

His connection may be that he uses and maybe sells this videotaped stuff.  He was in Aruba for awhile.  He may still be connected there (or was.)  They have a market from these dirty old men who live in Thailand.  (note: JM Carr.)  Old martin had what appeared to be statues, at first of BTK killer, J. Gacy, Dahmer, and the likes in this room.  There were sever pictures of a "room" of his on there, but after I got the "doll and dollhouse" that particular room pic got taken down.  I have all this, however.  The statues were pictures of them and books on a shelf.  I really have done some work.  I have made my rounds on this, for sure.   Thanks.....

jackb hope you don't mind a few questions. How do you know Marten was definitely in Aruba? I have been aware of him and the speculative connections to this case from the beginning.....but sorry never heard of any statues, where did this information come from? I would appreciate it if you would please share some of your homework.

Bleachedblack... I don't remember the statues either, but I do seem to remember speculation that he was on Aruba at the time of Natalee's disappearance, don't remember it ever being confirmed though....

Thanks cubbeegirl it would be interesting to know. I remember him writing/knowing at the time his name was coming up in relation to Natalee's case. I seem to recall that he wrote he had not been on Aruba for some 16 years? I find that hard to believe as he again, seemed to have an unusual fondness for the young women there.

Yes, I would be interested in knowing also.... and you are right , he did show a great fondness for the young women in Aruba...

[jackb]

1. The 5th suspect was at a party of some kind at his house. I have no evidence that he was at his home on the night in question with some friends over. Remember, it was a simple party...at his house.
2. He was the HOST of this party. If he had a party, I would assume he was the host, right?
3. The people at this party established his alibi for him saying he never left. We would need to know who was there...we have no idea about GVC.

Unless, of course... Natalee was taken to this party and met her demise there -- This has been a long-standing theory for the RWV days and has NEVER been disproved.

I agree...that is a theory that has indeed been long standing.  And believe it or not Capslock has resurrected it recently with his theories.  So you are correct, I just did not put it in there at the time.  It also opens a whole other can of worms. LOL

Course when one doesn't know what exactly they are fishing for sometimes it is good to change bait 

 

Someone must have had some good bait for them to have hijacked the blog yesterday, or whenever it was.  They must have some people who alert them if the thing is going in some direction they do not want it to.   jackb