Scared Monkeys Discussion Forum

Well, shoot!   I'm not first.....I'm just the only one here. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm back and forth  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Can you believe that photo Jan Brennan uses?  Can't she do better than that?  Seriously? 

I have never been able to understand her using that horrible picture.  But, every picture I have ever seen
of her looks just about as bad.
Maybe that is as good as it gets with her. ::MonkeyDevil::
She could just use a smiley face for heaven's sake.  It would be better than that thing. :P

Sam Redman aka Polemic aka Roger from 'Scrux One' and Jan Brennan aka medleyrelay are the organizers of the horrorfying aftermath of Jorans beachparty, that has become an endless looptape of a beachlie started by the only perpetrator in this case at 2.26am when he called Deepak at his home the night Natalee vanished.
When a crime occur you have two scenario's to investigate.
A- Was there one perpatrator ?
B- Were there two or more perpetrators ?

The timeline during those nightly hours was created by Joran.
His dad wasn't at home that night. That's why my 'Bike and Babysit' scenario [Scrux] was total crap according to Sam Redman, Jan Brennan and many others.
In his book, published in 2007, Joran wrote about being the only perpetrator.
He stated that you have to be a professional killer to kill Natalee and dispose of her body within an hour. And secondly you must be very very sick to kill someone and watching a pornmovie afterwards and goiing to school the next day as usual.[page 93]

Maybe it's time for Scared Monkeys to put scenario A into the spotlight.
let's make an end to Jorans beachparty.  Don't become a Joran troll.

Dead daddy Paulus wasn't asleep the night his son raped [ no codom] and killed Natalee in his apartment after they were dropped off by the Kalpoe brothers.
He wasn't even at home.

The remains of Natalee still can be found !


To be continued

J45 - where do you think they put Natalee's body? 

Why would Joran not have used one of the family vehicles to dispose of a dead Natalee?
We know he could drive.   I just can't see him (or anybody) taking a body on a bicycle.

http://www.coolaruba.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=39

Di dos ronde di e competencia nacional di Pro Beach Volleyball 2010 pa damas y cabayeros senioren.@ Bugaloe Beach 22Aug

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Come to think of it.............I have never seen a picture of Joran driving a car.  He had the bicycle
in Holland and the motorcycle in Thailand and he is always being driven by others on Aruba.
He hired Taxi drivers in Peru.

What's up with that?

Joran used Valentijn's mountainbike at the same time Valentijn was on the familycomputer at 2.26am, the room next to Paulus bedroom.
He used the bike to bring the crimescene from the VDSresidence to the beach area by confusing and framing Deepak by calling him.
At 10.30pm the evening before Joran logged in onto the computer. He was picked up by Paulus at 10.15-1020pm at McDonalds. Valentijn was babysitting and Joran had to replace him as the older brother in the house.
Paulus went back to a casino. The Marriott ?
Ask by email Rick Zeola, the former manager [ now transferred to Egypt]  or his wife, close friends of de VDSfamily.. That family took care of Sebastiaan that afternoon.
There is one witness [ a woman] who saw the red Jeep of Paulus returning to the VDSresidence at 4.00am the nigt Natalee disappeared. She could not see who was driving.

@ Klaasend

The new soccerfield [ in may 2005 under construction] very close to Montanja 19 and two dumpspots within 700 meters from the VDShome in Cunucu, Joran's playground when he was a kid.

to be continued

So Jonathan45.How did Joran transport a body on a bike?

I just read that Glenda says that Satish has gotten married!!!!  So she has heard. ::monkeywine2::

Since he is married to an Aruban, the Visa issue is simplified and he can come and go from Aruba.

FLASHBACK - AUGUST 29, 2005

A Catastrophic Blow!

New Orleans braces for monster hurricane
Crescent City under evacuation; storm may overwhelm levees
Monday, August 29, 2005; Posted: 12:10 a.m. EDT (04:10 GMT)

NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- New Orleans braced for a catastrophic blow from Hurricane Katrina overnight, as forecasters predicted the Category 5 storm could drive a wall of water over the city's levees.

The huge storm, packing 160 mph winds, is expected to hit the northern Gulf Coast in the next nine hours and make landfall as a Category 4 or 5 hurricane Monday morning.

The National Hurricane Center reports that conditions are already deteriorating along the central and northeastern coast. (Watch video to see the worst case scenario)

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin declared a state of emergency Sunday and ordered a mandatory evacuation of the city. (Watch video of mayor's announcement)

"This is a threat that we've never faced before," Nagin said. "If we galvanize and gather around each other, I'm sure we will get through this."

He exempted essential federal, state, and local personnel; emergency and utility workers; transit workers; media; hotel workers; and patrons from the evacuation order.

About 1.3 million people live in New Orleans and its suburbs, and many began evacuating before sunrise. (Watch video to see who's staying and who's leaving)

Nagin estimated that nearly 1 million people had fled the city and its surrounding parishes by Sunday night. (Watch time lapse video of the evacuation)

Between 20,000 and 25,000 others who remained in the city lined up to take shelter in the Louisiana Superdome, lining up for what authorities warned would be an unpleasant day and a half at minimum.

City officials told stranded tourists to stay on third-floor levels or higher and away from windows. (See video from New Orleans, a city below sea level)

Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco said that New Orleans could expect a complete loss of electricity and water services as well as intense flooding.

"We know we're going to have property damage," she told CNN's "Larry King Live." "We know we're going to have high wind damage. We're hoping we're not going to lose a lot of lives."

About 70 percent of New Orleans is below sea level, and is protected from the Mississippi River by a series of levees. (Full story)

Forecasters predicted the storm surge could reach 28 feet; the highest levees around New Orleans are 18 feet high.

Hurricane-force winds extend 105 miles from the center of the mammoth storm and tropical storm-force winds extend outward up to 230 miles. It is the most powerful storm to menace the central Gulf Coast in decades.

Isolated tornadoes are also possible Sunday across southern portions of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and the Florida Panhandle, forecasters said.

Federal Emergency Management Agency teams and other emergency teams were in place to move in as soon as the storm was over, FEMA Undersecretary Michael Brown said.

Katrina is blamed for at least seven deaths in Florida, where it made landfall Thursday as a Category 1 hurricane. As much as 18 inches of rain fell in some areas, flooding streets and homes. (See video of the damage floodwaters left in one family's new house)

At midnight ET, Katrina was centered about 90 miles south of the mouth of the Mississippi River. It was moving to the northwest at about 10 mph.

National Hurricane Center Director Max Mayfield said: "There's certainly a chance it can weaken a bit before it gets to the coast, but unfortunately this is so large and so powerful that it's a little bit like the difference between being run over by an 18-wheeler or a freight train. Neither prospect is good." (Watch Mayfield's assessment of Katrina)

Bush issues disaster declarations

President Bush announced Sunday that he had issued disaster declarations for Louisiana, Mississippi and parts of southern Florida. The declaration for Miami-Dade and Broward counties in Florida will allow residents there to apply for federal disaster aid.

"We'll do everything in our power to help the people and communities affected by this storm," he said.

The president urged anyone in the storm's path "to put their own safety and the safety of their families first by moving to safe ground."

Jesse St. Amant, the emergency management chief for Louisiana's southernmost Plaquemines Parish, said nearly 95 percent of the parish's 27,000-plus residents had fled by Sunday afternoon. Those who remained were being told that they are "gambling with their own lives."

"I think they just don't believe something of this nature can ever happen in their lifespan, and I think they're going to be wrong," he said.

As far east as Mobile, Alabama, 118 miles away from New Orleans, authorities warned of storm surges approaching 20 feet.

"I'm afraid most people look at the map and say, 'It's going to New Orleans, we're all right,'" said Mobile Mayor Mike Deal. "We're in harm's way with the current path of this storm."

Hurricane warnings are posted from Morgan City, Louisiana, eastward to the Alabama-Florida state line, including New Orleans and Lake Pontchartrain. This means winds of at least 74 mph are expected in the warning area within the next 24 hours.

A tropical storm warning and a hurricane watch are in effect from the Alabama-Florida state line eastward to Destin, Florida, and from west of Morgan City to Intracoastal City, Louisiana. A tropical storm warning is also in effect from Intracoastal City, Louisiana, west to Cameron, Louisiana, and from Destin, Florida, eastward to Indian Pass, Florida.

A tropical storm warning means tropical storm conditions, including winds of at least 39 mph, are expected within 24 hours. A hurricane watch means hurricane conditions are possible, usually within 36 hours.

Category 5 is the most intense on the Saffir-Simpson scale. Only three Category 5 hurricanes have made landfall in the United States since records were kept. Those were the Labor Day hurricane of 1935, 1969's Hurricane Camille and Hurricane Andrew, which devastated the Miami area in 1992. Andrew remains the costliest U.S. hurricane on record, with $26.5 billion in losses.

Camille came ashore in Mississippi and killed 256 people.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/28/hurricane.katrina/

FLASHBACK - AUGUST 29, 2005

It's named Katrina!

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 179 - Excited with the news that now all three suspects are in custody, friends Hal and Phillip accompany Jug and me back to Aruba after the auction.  As we leave the mainland, a big hurricane is moving toward the United States.  It's named Katrina.  And our flight plan is altered to get around the storm.

Page 183 - Settling in for the night, we see and hear the first reports about the hurricane.  It hits hard in Louisiana.  Mississipi and Alabama are also affected.  We all have loved ones at home in these states.  The early reports of the devastation are unbelievable.  News reporters are saying the death toll could exceed that of 9/11.  Our hearts ache for the people of New Orleans.  Reports are telling us that this is the hardest-hit city.  But visuals are not come out yet of the most damaged areas.  Reporters can't even get to those.  We stand down from all our scheduled interviews and desperately await information on the aftermath of the giant hurricane.


FLASHBACK - SEPTEMBER 1, 2005

The Cloak of Cover

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 182 - September 1 Helen calls to say the court is asking for DNA from the Kalpoes and Joran van der Sloot and that their attorneys are fighting this.  She also says the suspects are pointing the finger at one another.

Page 183 - Helen is very positive. "It looks good that they will remain in custody." she says.  Then about three hours after she tells me this encouraging news, a devastating call comes from an AP reporter.

"Paulus van der Sloot and his attorney are bragging to everyone that all three suspects are getting out day after tomorrow!

Then all the media start calling.  I call Helen, then FBI agent Bill and the U.S. vice-consul.  None of them have this information.  So we tell the media it must be a rumor.  But the word is out all over the island to the defense side that all three suspects will walk.

Four and a half hours after this announcement is made to international media by Joran's father and his defense team, the FBI calls to tell me it is indeed true.  So the three suspects who were last seen with my daughter, and who offered multiple versions of what happened that night, will go free.  And we are the last ones to find out.

Natalee's handwriting on her immigration card states that the duration of her stay here would be four nights.  It has been ninety-five.  And I have painstakingly counted every one of them.

When Helen calls, I stand in a corner of the hotel room, phone to my ear, tapping my head against the wall over and over.  Tears fall hard.  "I'm done, Helen.  I'm done.  No justice for Natalee in Aruba.  I'm done."

Pages 184 - And Bill explains how the release of the three suspects happened.  "The information the FBI was given was that the judge gave Joran thirty more days, up to October 1.  And he gave the Kalpoes eight more days.  But then the judge flew back from Curacao and faxed a reverse decision from there."  The reverse decision decreed that all three will go free.

The opportunity to hide behind Hurricane Katrina is too inviting.  The three suspects will be released while all eyes are turned to the devastation in New Orlean.

Page 815 - The last announcement I make on television is never seen.  Hurricane Katrina gives the island the cloak of cover it needs to let the suspects walk free and relieve itself of its media burden.

FLASHBACK -  Hurricane Katrina
The Open Door

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 142:  Hurricane Katrina had left the door open for the boys to sent on their way with little publicity and few restrictions because it took the world's focus off of Natalee.

Most recent filing in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case:

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It's almost like a practical joke -surely there's one somewhere more flattering.  She looks uncomfortable, lol.

Well Magnolia since you said that they will say that she is not from Aruba but the dog pound.

Seriously who the heck would marry that rapist.  I wonder if she is of legal age to marry.

I guess she will have to wait for him to graduate high school.

I know!  I was  ::MonkeyShocked::

Some women just aren't that particular I guess.  I never thought Satish was just right. ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

::MonkeyMad::
This case wil drag on for another 5 years! Why would Dr. Phil's team agree to this??????????????????????????????????????

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I just cannot believe that any girl would marry Satish.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Maybe his Mom convinced her that Satish was going to be a doctor.   :smt040

 ::MonkeyDevil::


This picture was from a Mexican Night at Senor Frogs...I didn't save the date in the title and I've tried to find it again with no luck...but it seems like it may have been summer 2008?  I'm not sure at this point.   ::MonkeyConfused::

No idea if this is the lucky gal or not...but iirc it's the only fairly recent picture I've seen of Satish with a girl, other than that Angelina that owned the place that Deepak used to work at. 

http://www.coolaruba.com

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Slight resemblance to Mommy, Nadira?   Thanks, TM.

Maybe even more of a resemblance to a vulture... ? If someone just penciled in the brows  ::MonkeyDevil::
(Large Indian Vulture)
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 ::MonkeyTongue::

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Satish marries?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

In my finite comprehension ... when my faith is lacking ... it somehow it feels so wrong that Satish is afforded the special milestones of life when he was a participant in denying Natalee her turning points.  It does not seem right that life has moved on for Satish while Natalee parents remain in a perpetual H--- on Earth of not knowing ... a perpetual H--- on Earth that Satish has the ability of releasing them as well as redeeming himself in the process.

Janet

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Isaiah 55:8-9

"My thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways My ways,' says the Lord.
'For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts."


Daddy's Little Girl

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 1: I watched as she received her high school diploma, and I took pictures of her at her graduation ceremony.  I planned to be there when she graduated from college and then medical school.  My pride would have enveloped us both.  I had long imagined the day when I would see my Natalee in her beautiful white wedding grown.  We would meet in the back of the church for her last moment as "daddy's little girl" and, as she encircled my arm with hers, I would lean down and whisper the words that all fathers must say to their daughters on that very special day, "I love you."  I would walk her down the aisle and proudly offer her hand to her fiance, and I would return to my seat knowing that my girl had accomplished all that a father could desire.  At that moment, it would be clear that the first tier of her life with me had come to an end and that the man she would now look to for approval and love would be her husband.  But she would always be my little Natalee ... always.

IT IS NOT EASY

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 219: In each city I have the privilege to speak to several high schools, churches, or law enforcement and civic groups.  This translates to thousands of youths and adults.  Delivering this safety mesage is my triumph over devastation.  If gives me great joy and is tremendously rewarding work.  I think that I can bear the pain of losing Natalee if it means that I can prevent another family from going through our tragic experience.  If even just one young person in tens of thousands is saved, then it's well worth it.

I ask young people to make a conscious decision to stay safe.  They have to make the choice.  And I'm not asking them do anything more than I ask myself.  I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.  And I know it's not easy for young people to think about choosing not to get into a situation in which they can't defend themselves.  But we all have to make hard choices.  Every day.

OUT OF THE ASHES

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Pages 230/231:  I can't say for sure if we'll ever know that answer to whether my daughter is alive or not.  I know it doesn't look good.  But just as that old metal spiral staircase rose from the ashes when our lake house burned down, so too faith stands strong in the remains of this devastating loss.  And just as my Dad built another house around that staircase, I will build another life around hope and faith.  It won't ever be the same.  But I pray that it will, at the very least, be useful.

The hope that filled Natalee's heart fills mine, and I will press on.  Faith got me up this morning, and faith will see me through tomorrow.  And the next day.  And the next.

Wreck

Could it be that there are legal arguments of merit taking place behind the scenes by the Kalpoes' attorneys ... legal agruments of merit which imply that the Phil McGraw recording must stand alone in the defamation case without backup documentation derived from the Natalee Holloway case file.

Somehow it makes sense to me that the Kalpoes' attorneys would not have filed this defamation lawsuit if it were not a certainty that a professional comparison between Skeeters' hard drive and McGraw's recorded copy would reveal manipulation ... not editing.

Therefore ... the question requires an answered ... "Was the Phil McGraw recording deceptively manipulated?"  Yes?  No?

Could it be that ... from the getgo ... the Kalpoes' attorneys anticipated a negotiated settlement?

Considering that four years later ... following one extention after another ... the defamation lawsuit has not been thrown out by the court in regards to ongoing non-compliance ... considering a signed declaration at the getgo forewarned the court that case documentation would not be forthcoming ... could it be that the anticipated outcome will come to pass?  The possibility this may happen is my worst nightmare come true.

If Phil McGraw emerges the victor in this defamation lawsuit filed by Deepak and Satish Kalpoe ... I will gladly eat an entire crow pie in regards to my doubts.

Janet

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THE ALTERED PORTIONS?

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


A SWORD AND A SHIELD

Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007

JOHN KELLY, FAMILY'S ATTORNEY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.

But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html


POTENTIALLY LIABLE?

SUPERIOR COURT OF CALIFORNIA, COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES

Page 14:  To the extent that the Dr. Phil Show Defendants can be shown to have been negligent or reckless in the way they edited the show and thus potentially liable, there is no competent showing the Defendant Skeeter was so involved.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kalpoedrphil050609awm.pdf

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.timesoftheinternet.com/147651.html

Joran Van Der Sloot Has Prison romance

 LOS ANGELES, CA., Aug.30 (TOTI) --

Joran Van Der Sloot, the infamous accused killer who is spending time at the Miguel Castro Castro prison in Lima, Peru has begun a relationship with a 'mystery woman' says National Enquirer.

"She's a white foreigner with short blonde hair who speaks English and Spanish fluently," said a source. "Guards as well as prisoners refer to her 'the Dutchman's gringa.'"

Further confirming the story, Joran van der Sloot,23, has called her 'my girlfriend' during conversations he's had with Hugo Trujillo Ospana, the Columbian assassin known as 'The Clown.' Ospana shares the same cell block with Joran.

The only good news seems to be that van der Sloot and the visitor have not been able to get intimate up to this point.

According to sources, the woman was paid $100 a week by Joran van der Sloot's mother to bring him supplies to prison. Instead, romance apparently blossomed as well.

Copyright 2007-2010 by Times of the Internet. All Rights Reserved.

Published: Monday 30th of August 2010 01:10:20 PM

Could the Range Rover recording ... intentionally or unintentionally ... furthered the possibility of a postive outcome for Deepak and Satish in the defamation case filed against Phil McGraw?

Playing the devil's advocate ... if the Phil McGraw recording was manipulated ... the ante could have been upped thanks to Joran's words in the Range Rover recording.  The possible defence could now be that two young men were defamed who ... according to the Prosecutor's office ... are no longer suspects in the Natalee Holloway case.

Janet

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EXONERATES MY BOYS!

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil

A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot ....

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


RECEIVED AN ALIBI!

Aruban Press Conference 01/06/09
Press Anouncement

Ladies and gentlemen!

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673

 ::MonkeyAngel::

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/01/26/jamie-skeeters-passed-away-today-rest-in-peace-jaime/

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Jamie Skeeters Passed Away Today … Rest in Peace Jamie
 
Scared Monkeys lost a friend today when we learned that Jamie Skeeters passed away. This came as quite the shock this evening upon learning the news. You will be missed Jaime, Rest in Peace. Prayers for you and your family from all of us at Scared Monkeys.

Wednesday, January 24, 2007

It is with great sadness that I inform you that our friend Jamie Skeeters passed away today. He was in his seat on a connecting flight in Memphis, TN, at the time. His lovely wife Kay asked me to pass this message on to you.

Please keep her and their family in prayer.

Bob Heard, CAPE Secretary

On a personal note. I have spoke to Jamie on numerous occasions, much of what was discussed was background information, sensitive and not to be repeated. Our conversations would go on for hours discussing the Natalee Holloway case and so much more. A simple 10 minute telephone call had a habit of turning into hours. But that is how Jaime was to deal with, easy to talk to and a wealth of knowledge. Jamie Skeeters’ professionalism was always apparent. I thank Jamie for the trust and respect he had in Scared Monkeys and myself to confide in me and ask my opinion on many matters. I will miss our talks Jamie, I already do.

You will be truly missed, God bless and rest in eternal peace.

Red

 ::monkeyscissors:: From the comments:

2.  Richard on January 26th, 2007 6:24 am
Red, I obviously don’t speak for you … but I will assume that your attitude toward the Kalpoes’ claims that the Skeeters tapes were altered is the same as mine: it’s contemptible nonsense. Appropriate from that source.

________

SM: You would be correct. Skeeters version was never altered, I have heard the originals. One does not need to alter something when the other party did not know that a camera was rolling. Its called buyers remorse on the part of the person who was burned for making comments that they would not have made otherwise on a recorded TV show.

In any event I would take Jamie’s word and day over a self-professed liar with different versions of a missing person.

R

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http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/11/26/natalee-holloway-investigation-some-comments-from-jaime-skeeters/

Natalee Holloway Investigation: Some comments from Jaime Skeeters
 
There seems to be much confusion with the tapes/CD’s that were sent to Holland to be examined. Jaime Skeeter’s CD’s that he provided have be authenticated as being genuine. According to Dompig, Dutch forensic investigators heard Deepak say, “he didn’t” from the tapes. Skeeters claims that “even his grandmother” could hear the tapes he provided the ALE and Skeeters stands behind his comment that Deepak said, “he did”. What does Dompig claim he heard? One question also remains, which tape/CD is Dompig referring to that they Dutch are saying is Deepak’s denial? The so called manipulated tape; is this the tape they state Deepak’s denial, or is it Skeeter’s, or both? The following are some quick comments from Jaime Skeeters with regards to the tape and Dompig’s comments that he gave exclusively to Scared Monkeys.

Dompig told me that he can hear Deepak make the statement “we did…and you would be surprise how simple it was..” on my CD.

Dompig also stated that the Phil tapes are not that clear and it sounds like “we didn’t… and you would be surprise how simple it was”.

I asked Dompig if Deepak had said “we didn’t” then why in the hell did he immediately follow up with..”and you would be surprise how simple it was”.

Dompig agreed with me that the follow up statement makes sense with “we did” and not with the statement “we didn’t”..

I told Dompig that I have never seen or heard the Phil tapes that he down loaded from my CD. I also told him that “most” everyone knows that when you down load something off a CD to beta/VHS tapes that you lose at lease one full generation of clarity.

Dompig stated that he understood that but sense he has two sets of tapes that he must send them in for verification. I explained that Phil tapes are not altered, they are edited.

I take Jamie's word for it too.   ::MonkeyCool::

JMO

Klaas

I was just reading back on this topic.  You could be right regarding Joran's motive for distancing the Kalpoes in the Range Rover confession.  This guy has a mission to capitalize any way he can.  He has no conscience in regards to Natalee or her loved ones.

Janet

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 -
« Reply #494 on: February 27, 2010, 08:30:43 PM »

I haven't seen anyone here at SM that believes 100% of what Joran says whether it be the Range Rover story or the most recent falling off balcony story.  I do believe many feel as though with every lie is a smidgen of truth. 

It's clear to me that Joran is simply throwing stuff out there hoping it sticks and in the process making some $$.  He knows that he's already paid the consequence of unlawful disposal of a corpse.  Could be that the stories not involving K2 are in hopes of K2 getting a large settlement from Dr. Phil and sharing with Joran.  

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7126.msg1083973#msg1083973

There are more than enough (devil's) advocates for the heathens that murdered Natalee, and have tormented her family for more than five years now.  The continued effort of one of us, who is supposedly here looking for justice for Natalee and her family, to assume that role; is quite frustrating and sickening!


 ::MonkeyNoNo::


As always, JMO.

If the McGraw tape was not manipulated ... only edited ... why after four years  has Phil McGraw not emerged the winner in this defamation lawsuit.  It only take a professional comparison with Skeeters' hard drive to determine that Deepak defamed himself?

I am only attempting to comprehend.

Janet

Why has this defamation case dragged on for four long years when all it would take is a comparison between the McGraw recording and Skeeters' hard drive to reveal the truth one way or another regarding the "altered" portions.

Janet

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THE ALTERED PORTIONS?

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html

He says! She says! Speculation!  Debate!  It should all be non issues when a comparison of two pieces of hard evidence has the ability to reveal the truth.

Janet

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Tale of the Tape Thursday
December 01, 2005

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN:  We are also curious what the FBI has to say about the content of this interview. I was told by Jamie Skeeters on the phone the other night that he originally "taped" this interview directly to his computer hard drive and that he gave the hard drive to the FBI. Of course this hard drive — the "original" — is what will tell us exactly what was said or not said  — provided it can be adequately enhanced and analyzed.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177286,00.html

Could it be that the NFI's claims regarding findings encompassing the Jamie/Deepak interview is what motivated the defamation lawsuit.  When the ATA/AHATA and/or the Kalpoes' attorneys considered the Phil McGraw financial  empire ...did the light dawn that an opportunity had presented itself which would allow Aruba to recoup the costs the Island had incurred in regards to the Natalee Holloway case?

Could it be that that ATA/AHATA and/or the Kalpoes' attorneys were deceived by the NFI's claims?

Janet

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THE TRUTH ... WHAT IS IT?

Thursday, December 01, 2005 
By Greta Van Susteren

To begin with, and as you may know, Dr. Phil paid polygrapher Jamie Skeeters to go to Aruba and investigate Natalee Holloway's disappearance. It is Skeeters' trip to Aruba that is at the center of a current dispute in the Natalee Holloway disappearance. ....

Did Deepak admit on the tape to having sex with Natalee or did he deny it? On the "Dr. Phil" show, it was claimed that Deepak admitted on tape to having sex with Natalee. The authorities in Aruba disagree and assert that on the original tape Deepak actually denies, not admits, to having had sex with Natalee.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177286,00.html


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005

ARLENE ELLIS SCHIPPER, ARUBAN STRATEGIC COMM. TASK FORCE: Well, it's not what I think, it is what the Dutch forensic institute thinks and what we have also requested the FBI to confirm, which confirmation we haven't received yet.

However, the NFI had four investigators separately look at these tapes, and they say that the Dr. Phil show tapes were edited for content in the following order. Just before the word “she,” there was a cut. And just after the word “did,” there was a cut. And then they compared it to the CD-ROM that Mr. Skeeters sent the officials, and you have seen that piece, and it says, “No, she didn't.” And he shakes his head while doing—while saying that.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/

Janet,
Stop and ask yourself......Why have the Kalpoes not complied with the terms of the discovery part of the
legal process, so that the case can proceed to trial?

The comparision of the tapes would be a part of the trial....not the pre-trial.  JMO

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Still dark faces Aruba Logo
August 30, 2010, 14:14 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The campaign for the new logo to promote Aruba adapted. Dark figure now faces between the white and colored people on banners that hang over the island. After the launch of the campaign there was a lot going on protest at the lack of dark people on the campaign posters. This weekend, was suddenly replaced a number of posters for banners with dark Arubans, including the famous cyclist cross Shanayah Howell. The occupants of those posters were already shooting for that campaign. For some reason, they were not initially 'chose' to the banners along the tourist routes to shine. Now why this is the case, the editors could not figure out this morning. 

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Lawsuit stop construction Ritz-Carlton

August 30, 2010, 13:03 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Four environmental organizations have brought proceedings against Infrastructure Minister Benny Sevinger (ASF). They want him to suspend the construction permit from the luxurious Ritz Carlton Hotel at Fisherman's Huts. The administrative case was morning, one of the organizations, Fanapa, was declared inadmissible. Friday is the case continued.

Developer must also Desarollos Hotelco appear in the witness stand. This happened this morning, because the court had forgotten the hotel developer - although interested - to call, so Amigoe has learned from an internal source. One of the plaintiffs, Fanapa was inadmissible because the foundation that conservation efforts, first in early and then was too late to appeal against the planning permission. The argument that the building permit to "quietly" was issued on May 25, was not tenable. On the admissibility of the other organizations, Rainbow Warriors, Aruba Aruba BirdLife Conservation and Marine Mammal Foundation, the court has not yet commented. They were also on time with the submission of the request. That happened on June 1 during a visit to the governor in a letter on June 2 at the organizations announced that the appeal was forwarded to Minister Sevinger.

NGOs demand that the minister suspends planning permission until the developer meets all the requirements as stated in the Letter of Intent (LOI) between the government and former MEP Desarollos Hotelco closed. This Agreement of June 12, 2008 is the basis of the lease agreement with the site at the Fisherman's Huts were transferred to the developer. According to the NGOs, the new AVP-Government indicated that the sale was not all conditions were met. There was twice legal advice, the advice of lawyer David Kock Desarollos Hotelco confirmed that not all conditions had been met. The current government did, however, on a dissolution of the agreement because it would possibly lead to a lawsuit and one million claim by the developer.

Participation
The plaintiffs also challenge the so-called Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) for which no research has been done. Refers to a case in Bonaire from 2006 (Lar / Sorobon) where the land issue and planning permission was suspended. Although there was then an EIS on the table, but who had no prior public consultation made. Lack of transparency in the entire project at Ritz Carlton for a problem, according to the organizations. That was reinforced by the fact that the then government for not issuing the lease administrative procedure followed - which citizens had the opportunity to participate - but a civil contract entered into. The latter means that people are not formally parties to this proceeding. With the lawsuit still trying to environmental organizations to the Minister a foot in the door to get. The construction of the hotel, they at least be detained until their appeal is decided. It questions the environmental organizations to the Minister for planning permission to withdraw.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

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ARUBA

Fifteen months in jail for pedophile

August 30, 2010, 1:01 p.m. (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - M. pedophile (66) would, if the Public Prosecutor (OM) had lain for at least eighteen months in prison for sexual abuse are addressed by a girl (5). But the court finds that there are mitigating circumstances. The man got fifteen months' imprisonment imposed.

M. is already old, was previously arrested and has not penetrated the girl, the judge ruled. Strafeis of the Prosecutor would not be proportionate to the crime.

The condemned is the godfather of the mother of the girl. He applied regularly to the child. On May 4 this year struck the mother, when she came home, the man and the child in a sexual together. The mouth of the godfather was located near the cross of the bared girl. Examination of Youth and Vice led to the conclusion that the man the girl was often involved in sexual acts. He would have forced it to do so under threat. Showed that includes a statement of the girl and a confirmation of a doctor who examined her body. The doctor found no physical evidence to be able to find the girl the man has penetrated.

The Godfather made contradictory statements about his relationship with the child. The police, he signed a confession, but he subsequently withdrew them. Facing the judge said the man that the police did not have the opportunity to submit its statement to read before signing placed underneath.

The godfather hoped to convince the judge that he is the victim of lies. The child would be bad and the mother raised him in a bad light would like to. The mother had asked him to borrow money, but that request was refused he said the man.
 

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_77349.php

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ARUBA

Owner Foxy Lady: "Why allow prostitution, but my deal '

August 30, 2010, 1:01 p.m. (GMT -04:00)

SAN NICOLAS - The owner of Foxy Lady, Alex Mathew, resolutely rejects allegations of trafficking. He says just that, certainly in comparison with other 'bars' in San Nicolas, women are better deals. According to him, the Aruban government and the Public Prosecutor (OM) just annoy him.

Mathew was in early August with three others arrested after a major raid on his club, house and other buildings. Earlier he claimed that the OM him 'revenge' continues. In a new letter to the media this morning sent through his lawyer Edwin Field Duijn, Mathew asks himself why he is tackled and not other bareigenaren in San Nicolas. "Although prostitution is prohibited, there are plenty of tents where this is standard practice. Everyone knows that politicians and people of justice regular visitors to these bars. Some things are even owned by policemen. "Mathew also says evidence of this can deliver.

Free will
The club owner also claims that his staff was better than the other bars. "Girls live in small rooms and have no decent place to live. They receive between 100 and 125 florin per day for their work and have everything else yourself. Women at Foxy Lady live together in a large house with their own room with air conditioning. There is also a daily maid who cooks a meal for them. "

The accusation that the women were held Mathew because their passports were seized, he points to the hand. "This is what most bars in San Nicolas done." Moreover, they can go wherever they want, he says. He does not deny that his employees sometimes long hours to make. But again, he points to other cases in San Nicolas. Mathew says that the ladies who work in Foxy Lady, mainly from Europe and that they are there by choice. "The other ladies in bars come from Colombia and, because of terrible personal circumstances, nothing more than prostitution."

Two chances
Mathew is further remarkable that the charges against him comes from one of his former employees. He says that this woman pretends she has fled to Curacao. "The truth is that she flew out with me after she was caught in prostitution." She had one of the rooms for private dances sex with a client and became caught. "She then begged for a second chance. But then when she was caught again, this time on the use of cocaine, she flew completely. Those are the two things I absolutely intolerable, drugs and prostitution. "Mathew is currently still in custody in KIA.

I am curious as to who Satish's bride is.
Did he ever finish school ?
What does he do for a living ? 

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New Judges

August 30, 2010, 12:55 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Judge Albert Beukenhorst is appointed a member of the Common Court of Justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. In so doing, the State Cabinet approved Friday. The appointment is effective from October 1 this year.

Beukenhorst is currently vice president of the Amsterdam District Court. He was a judge in that court since 1985 and was previously, between 1991 and 1995, members of the Common Court. Moreover, there are now three other judges from the Netherlands to Aruba persuaded the judges to replace whose term had expired. One of these new judges, the new press court Hanneke Mol. They will be called during an installation session in September officially start work as a judge. The court in Curacao is considerably strengthened. Besides Beukenhorst are still five other judges appointed by the judiciary to strengthen it. The installation for this meeting is on September 24 judges in Curaçao scheduled.

Magnolia

According to John Kelly ... the Kalpoes' attorneys never had any intentions of releasing incriminating documentation relating to the Natalee Holloway case.  I do not believe that the Kalpoes have any intentions of testifying before an American judge.  Their silence is a given.

Four years later ... after many granted extentions ... the judge has failed to throw out the defamation lawsuit.  Why?  Could it be that the Kalpoes' attorneys are legally challenging the request by McGraw's attorneys for case documents?  Could it be they are citing that case document are irrelevent to the lawsuit?

In other words ... the issue is whether of not Phil McGraw manipulated the recording that was received from Jamie Skeeters ... an issue that a professional comparison of the McGraw manipulated/edited recording and ... Skeeters hard drive.

Considering McGraw's attorneys ARE NOT demanding a professional comparison ... I suspect that the McGraw tape WAS deceptively manipulated and ... the defence strategy is to obtain incriminating documents which would affirm that the manipulation did not defame the Kalpoes.

I could be wrong but ... I cannot comprehend another reason why this case has dragged on for four long years.

Janet.

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THE ALTERED PORTIONS?

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


A SWORD AND A SHIELD

Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007

JOHN KELLY, FAMILY'S ATTORNEY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.

But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html

SELF EDIT - MY LAST POST

an issue that a professional comparison of the McGraw manipulated/edited recording and ... Skeeters hard drive.

S/B

an issue that a professional comparison of the McGraw manipulated/edited recording and ... Skeeters hard drive could resolve.

and

Magnolia is correct.  These are issues for the TRIAL.

I like this one better  ::MonkeyDevil::

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Buckeye ... you could be right.  I hope you are.  However ... I have my doubts.

I feel that the four years of extentions afforded by the judge for the Kalpoes to comply to requests for documentation ... requests to appear in deposition hearings ... implies that attorneys are ... behind the scenes ... presenting legal challenges. 

Janet

I agree with you, Magnolia.

And the tape is not the only issue of the defamation claims.  There are claims that statements were made live on the Dr. Phil program that maligned the sterling reputation of these two young thugs, including some from Beth.

The tape is but a component of the claim and not a sole issue.  And I suppose one person's idea of altering could be said to be another person's editing but Jamie Skeeters, Red and others have said there was no alteration.  Deepak said "did and" and not "didn't" as he later claimed and only the myserious Aruban version carries.

Remember how hysterical Arleen became when people started calling it the "Aruban version"!  It was hilarious.

Regardless of what the tape says, there will not be a trial without giving the Defense the Discovery as requested.  And in Discovery they can literally ask for any and everything.

LOL, Klaas!

Yes, that's the real face of Aruba and the one the whole world needs to see and remember!

I wish the papers would stop caling Joran the Dutchcman and call him the Aruban so people will connect him forever with that flyspeck!

ME TOO!   ::MonkeyDance::

Wreck,

Sometimes I want just anything to happen, anything!  Just to have some news!

But thinking more logically, Dr. Phil/Oprah have attroneys on retainers so they have to pay at least part of their fees anyway whether they use them or not, etc.

The Kalpoes don't.  So all this is ever-mounting expense for them and whoever is backing them which I am sure is AHATA/ATA/some Aruban govt agency.

Ever court filing is costing Aruba.  It's not unusual to have a "complex case" for this much money drag out like this.

Also it is "our system" to do everything possible to give everybody their day in court.  Then they don't have that as a basis for an appeal.  So the continuations mean nothing except to cost the Kalpoes more and lower the chances of a successful appeal later.

I would really not be shocked to see this drag on several more years much as I would like to be dancing with glee at the defeat of the Kalpoes.

But do remember that had a ruling been made earlier, Joran wouldn't have yet been caught red-handed murdering again!  That goes against them so much because it makes Joran even more of a person of ill repute and underlines that they are the ones who chose that kind of company to keep.  They were the ones hauling Joran around that night of their own free will so they chose a path of infamy.

And who knows what might come to light before this finally goes to court?  You can bet it won't be anything that will help their case, however!

I agree.

However ... it would only make sense that the ATA/AHATA and/or the Kalpoes' attorneys would anticipate a settlement if there was assurance that the McGraw tape had been deceptively manipulated.  Otherwise ... they lose the lawsuit.  I believe the assurance that the McGraw tape was manipulated came directly from the NFI.

My contention is that McGraw's attorneys came up with a strategy.  They would obtain incriminating case documents to prove that the manipulated tape did not defame Deepak and Satish.

Why has the FBI not released any findings?

IMO

Janet

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THE NFI FINDINGS

Thursday, December 01, 2005 
By Greta Van Susteren

To begin with, and as you may know, Dr. Phil paid polygrapher Jamie Skeeters to go to Aruba and investigate Natalee Holloway's disappearance. It is Skeeters' trip to Aruba that is at the center of a current dispute in the Natalee Holloway disappearance. ....

Did Deepak admit on the tape to having sex with Natalee or did he deny it? On the "Dr. Phil" show, it was claimed that Deepak admitted on tape to having sex with Natalee. The authorities in Aruba disagree and assert that on the original tape Deepak actually denies, not admits, to having had sex with Natalee.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177286,00.html


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005

ARLENE ELLIS SCHIPPER, ARUBAN STRATEGIC COMM. TASK FORCE: Well, it's not what I think, it is what the Dutch forensic institute thinks and what we have also requested the FBI to confirm, which confirmation we haven't received yet.

However, the NFI had four investigators separately look at these tapes, and they say that the Dr. Phil show tapes were edited for content in the following order. Just before the word “she,” there was a cut. And just after the word “did,” there was a cut. And then they compared it to the CD-ROM that Mr. Skeeters sent the officials, and you have seen that piece, and it says, “No, she didn't.” And he shakes his head while doing—while saying that.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


 

The answer is:  Money

I have never locked in on any hard, fast theory of what happened because I think when people do that, they they select and chose only the information that supports their theory only and are blind to anything else.

At times, I have considered that Joran acted alone later in the night after being dropped off somewhere by the Kalpoes.

They still were parties to luring Natalee into the car and just as the driver of a getaway car in a bank robbery are accomplices so are the Kalpoes.

Since none of us really know what happened, this could have happened about as well as anything else.  It would be comforting to Natalee's family if remains could some day be recovered.

I continue to hope and pray that someday we will all know for a fact what happened and that Natalee will be brought back home to Alabama.  It would be a comfort to her family to finally know and have closure.

Muffy,
Are you talking about why someone would marry Satish?

Yes, I was thinking the same thing.  Poor girl may have married him thinking he was actually going to get a lot of money from this lawsuit.  As time drags on the awful truth will slowly dawn on her and she will find herself left with just Satish in the end.

Let me explain.  I think initially it was about money.  The Kalpoes thought they would get a settlement in the beginning and that didn't happen.  It's in the legal system now.  I also wonder if by holding up the process, it prevents the Kalpoes from having legal challenges in that they are guilty of crimes toward Natalee Holloway or of at least having knowledge.  JMHO  There will still need to be some sort of payout from one side or the other, due to the legal fees, right?

Why a girl would marry Satish?  For her fifteen five minutes (or less) of fame?

Anna-maybe the girl is marrying Satish for the possibility of money in the future.   When you don't have much to start with, money from a possible lawsuit would be attractive. 

 ::rhino::

Yeah, but the creep factor!  Can you imagine going to sleep right next to a Kalpoe?  I mean for all she knows, they could well be parties to first degree murder as they were once arrested for.

I wonder if she sleeps with one eye open.

Criminals are assured of a reasonable swift trial.  It's usually their attorneys who delay things as we see in other missing persons cases.

But this thing with the Kalpoes does not have that guarantee is my understanding.  It will move at the court's leisure more or less.  And I think the courts in California are some of the most congested in the country.

If the Kalpoes thought they could win, they would be the ones pushing to get it into the trial phase so they could get their greedy hands on all that money.

The party seeking the money is not the one to delay if they have a good case.  Wouldn't be very smart on their part, now would it?

Just saying. . . .

Meant to add that this is a CIVIL case and not a criminal one so they don't have the right to a speedy trial, etc.

But if they thought they could win, they would want to be in trial tomorrow!

If you cannot comprehend, then perhaps it would be best if you let the issue drop.

Most of the rest of us can understand the process.  The judge has no authority to demand a comparision
of the tapes until the case goes to trial.  The case cannot go to trial until the Kalpoe attorneys submit
the requested materials and statements for discovery.

Dr. Phil and his companies retain a staff of attorneys at all times.  They really don't care how long the
process takes.  They have no intention of paying the Kalpoes a dime.

It really does look like you are rooting for the Kalpoes. IMO

I remain bloodied but unbowed.

There is no reason for case documents to be requested if the issue is whether or not the McGraw tape was manipulated.  A professional comparison with the hard drive would resolve the entire issue.

I suspect a settlement will be forthcoming ... a settlement that will benefit the Kalpoes/attorneys/AHATA.

IMO

Janet

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THE DEFAMATION LAWSUIT IN A NUTSHELL

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html

Janet - I have to disagree with you on this.  I don't think they have any intention of settling with the Kalpoes.  I believe they expect the case to be thrown out and so do I. 

I agree with Magnolia - CBS and Dr. Phil have these attorneys on their payroll.  The Kalpoes are a minor irritation to CBS but do allow some hope of getting information regarding the NH case which is their intention IMO.

Your own quote that you cite should be enough to show you the case is not just about the tape.

(Bolded by me)

ITA 

What is the word (that won't come to my mind right now)  where you give a sworn statement to lawyers
before the trial?  I can't think of it to save me. ::MonkeyJnBox::

Deposition!!  The case cannot proceed to trial until the Kalpoes present themselves for deposition.

Deposition

That is what the Kalpoes are so far refusing to come to California (as ordered by the judge) to give to the Defense.

Thanks, Klaas,
All I could think of was interrogatories.  Close, but no cigar. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Right.  Without Discovery, the Defendants can't be expected to give a proper defense.  You don't file a case unless you can and will comply with Discovery.

Exactly!!   I think the only reason the Kalpoes' attorneys don't drop the suite is because they are
afraid of being left responsible for the legal fees of Dr. Phil and company.  That is why they keep
dragging it out.

 ::MonkeyCool::

Klaas

We will have to agree to disagree until the outcome of this lawsuit is revealed.  If I am wrong ...  I will be rejoicing while eating crow pie.

Considering no findings have been released from the FBI investigation of the hard drive ... I suspect that the McGraw recording was manipulated with the expectation there would be no significant backlash from the Kalpoes.  After all ... at the most Deepak and Satish would be ... as you pointed out ... only "minor irritations".

However ... McGraw and his "people" did not anticipate that the ATA/AHATA would enter the scenario and take advantage of the NFI findings by financially backing the Kalpoes in a defamation lawsuit in anticipation of ultimately reaping a windfall ... a windfall that implied the Kalpoes ... the attorneys and ... Aruba would financially benefit.

Could it be that the filing of the defamation lawsuit by the Kalpoes' attorneys implied that McGraw had two choices ... settle or ... challenge the lawsuit by going in another direction.  The defence's strategy?  Case documentation would be requested.  The Kalpoes' own words and the words of those within the ALE would be evidence that no defamation occurred even if the tape was manipulated.

Why has the defamation lawsuit not been thrown out.  There has been four years of repeated extentions granted following non-compliance to court requests.

I suspect the Kalpoes' high priced attorneys are challenging the requests for documentation.  The Kalpoes' high priced attorneys must be citing that the incriminating case documents are not relevent to the defamation lawsuit ... only the disputed McGraw recording.

I would love to be wrong in my speculations.  I do not want it revealed that there was a manipulation of the tape.  I do not want the Kalpoes and their backer to emerge the victors.  The implication would be that ... for the sake of ratings ... Phil McGraw's attempt to deceive ... ultimately lined the pockets of those who were involved in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... those within the Aruban administration who have been behind the misinformation campaign to pervent justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.

BTW ... a little googling will reveal that in the past negotiated settlements have happened in regards to lawsuits filed against the great Phil McGraw and his high priced attorneys.

Janet

I agree, and they definitely should be if and/or when the case is thrown out. 

I know this is OT, but didn't know where else to put it. Are these just idiots or is something really going on?

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/30/two-men-arrested-at-amsterdam-airport/


06:14 PM ET
 

 Dutch arrest two men after flight from U.S.
[Updated at 7:49 p.m.] The two men – passengers on United Flight 908 from Chicago O'Hare to Amsterdam on Sunday night - were arrested Monday at Amsterdam's Schiphol International Airport after "suspicious items" were found in checked baggage, U.S. and Dutch authorities said.

Suspicious items found in luggage associated with the pair "were not deemed to be dangerous in and of themselves, and as we share information with our international partners, Dutch authorities were notified of the suspicious items," the U.S. Department of Homeland Security said. "This matter continues to be under investigation."

One of the men had travelled to Chicago from Birmingham, Alabama, and the other had flown to Chicago from Memphis, Tennessee, a law enforcement official told CNN.

An X-Ray of the checked luggage of the man who had flown from Birmingham showed several cell phones strapped to bottles of medicinal liquid, a law enforcement official said.

The men did not have prohibited items on themselves or in carry-on luggage, a law-enforcement official said. Federal air marshals were on the Chicago-to-Amsterdam flight, that official said.

[Original post] Two men were arrested Monday at Amsterdam's Schiphol International Airport after a flight from the United States, a spokesman for the Dutch Justice Ministry said.

The men were being held at the airport after arriving in the Dutch capital from Chicago, Illinois, Justice Ministry spokesman Martiun Boalhouwer told CNN. Boalhouwer would release no further details of the arrests, saying an investigation was under way.

ABC News, citing U.S. law enforcement officials, reported that the men have been charged in the Netherlands with "preparation of a terrorist attack," and that they had just flown from Chicago, Illinois, to Amsterdam on a United Airlines flight.

The two appeared to have been traveling with "mock bombs" in their luggage, U.S. officials said, according to ABC News.

One of the men flew with suspicious items in his luggage from Birmingham, Alabama, to Chicago's O'Hare airport, checked the luggage on a flight going from Chicago to Washington's Dulles Airport and then to Dubai, but then boarded the Chicago-Amsterdam flight with the second man instead of going with the luggage to Washington, ABC News reported, citing unnamed officials.

Screeners determined before the Birmingham-Chicago flight that the luggage didn't have explosives, officials said, according to ABC News. The luggage was removed from the Washington-Dubai flight when officials learned the man wasn't on that plane, and more screening again found no explosives, ABC News reported.

The men were taken into custody in Amsterdam after a request from the Netherlands' National Detective Department, airport press officer Robert Kapel said.

– CNN's Jeanne Meserve and Mike Ahlers contributed to this report.

But It's Oooonnnnlee Maaakeeee Beeelieve. ::MonkeyDevil::

For crying out loud!!  What is the reason behind the judge's decision not to throw out this defamation case out!  For the past four years ... the Kalpoes have "refuse" time and time again to comply with court requests.

Janet

SuzieQ-It's interesting, but it is OT in this thread.  I think maybe if you find something like that again, you could post it in the  Current Events "News of the Day" as a new thread  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=24.0.  Or you could post it in Musings/Open Discussion for comment, since a thread is already started there for general discussion/chit chat etc.  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=26.0 

 ::bee::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I prefer to believe that the Judge and the CBS/Dr. Phil team are on the side of Natalee more than anything else.  It would be better to get the depositions and case documents CBS/Dr.Phil are requesting/requiring.  I believe that's what they are all holding out for.  That small chance.  For Natalee.

Where's the barf bag?????    ::MonkeyRoll::

I think you are right as well! I have tried to explain ad nauseum that NO evidence WHATSOEVER has been looked at by the judge. That is NOT the judge's task. Only the JURY (and only at an actual TRIAL) would that occur. The judge is only ruling PROCEEDURAL questions only.
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I absolutely believe that Dr. Phil's attorneys knew someone was footing the bill for the Kalpoes.  They knew the Kalpoes didn't have two nickels to rub together.

Dr. Phil's lawyers are licking their chops waiting to get the Kalpoes in court.  They are playing with these other attorneys who are representing the Kalpoes.  Will there be a Merry Christmas for the Kalpoes?  I think not.  They will have coal in their stockings.

And the Kalpoe attorneys took the case on a contingency fee.  IMO

No kidding--but I think it's possible she prolly has brainlock, is gullible, has drunk the KoolAid, and thinks the Kalpoes are victims of the rich 'Ugly Americans' ...  But yeah ... "creep factor" is right!

Klaas

I honestly do not know what the motivation of the Phil McGraw team is four years later.  I fear that the high priced Kalpoe attorneys backed by the ATA/AHATA are affording a challenge that was not anticipated and ... this is the reason the case has not been thrown out.

John Kelly claims that the ground rules were established at the getgo by one of the Kalpoes' attorneys.  I cannot think of one small reason ... one small benefit ... why the ATA/AHATA would divert from the established ground rules ... why the ATA/AHATA would comply to the court's request to produce incriminating case documents  ... incriminating case documents implicating the Kalpoes in the rape and murder of Natalee Holloway as well as the disposal of her remain.

I see a lot of red flags and ... those red flags have me so concerned regarding the outcome of the lawsuit.

Good Night.

Janet
7:55 PM PT

++++++


A Signed Declaration

Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007

JOHN KELLY, FAMILY'S ATTORNEY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over ...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html

I agree.

Although I'd like to see the 2paks deposed,I'm more then happy to watch the CBS/Mcgraw attorneys drag this out for 20 years if the need to.Those attorneys aren't working for free,and someone has to pay them.......Who's got deeper pockets and is willing to go the distance?Me thinks the miscreants will get tired of wasting money at some point.Lawyers are expensive   ::MonkeyCool::

Wreck can explain this better than I can, but I think that David Koch and whoever else is represnting
the Kalpoes, took the case on the agreement that their payment would be 40%-50% of the payout
from Dr. Phil.  I have always felt that Posner had a hand in the selection of lawyers.

http://www.24ora.com/corte-mainmenu-29/21443-alex-mathew-i-will-not-be-broken-.html

Alex Mathew: I will not be broken !      

Monday, 30 August 2010 23:24
 
 
E ciudadano Alex Mathew deteni algun siman atras bou sospecho di trafico di ser humano, a saca un declaracion por medio di su abogado mr. Duijneveld, caminda e ta bisa di ta desbarata tur e ponencianan a base di cual, Ministerio Publico a laga detene. E ta haya cu si el a wordo deteni a base di cierto punto, anto ta mas donjo di barnan mester wordo deteni. Y ta señala cu hasta Polis tin bar.

Su declaracion ta bisa lo siguiente:

As the Aruban government and the OM have isolated me completely from society and came up (again) with false accusations against me I want them to know they won’t break me and only make me stronger and Allah will punish them sooner as they think. They accuse me of human trafficking. This is a big joke. Everybody knows that for decades prostitution is going on in San Nicolas. Something I always opposed as this is against human dignity and it’s shameful for my town San Nicolas and disturbs its development. But who cares about San Nicolas.

Although prostitution is against the law there are dozens of bars were this is practiced. Everybody knows that politicians and people working at the prosecutor’s office visit these bar on a regular bases. Some of these bars are even owed by police officers. Please tell me that I am lying and will proof it. Now San Nicolas boy Mathew starts a night club with strippers and specifically forbids prostitution and shows that this is a success, Mathew has to be brought down again.

Let’s compare the girls from the bars with the girls from Foxy lady. The girls from the bars live in little room and have no decent living space. They pay between 100 and 125 florins a day for this and have to take care of everything by their self. The girls from Foxy Lady lived in a spacious house have their own room with air conditioning with a maid that also cooks them one meal a day.

The prosecutor says Mathew hold the girls like prisoners because he takes their passports. This has nothing to do with keeping them prisoner. This is done by most bars in San Nicolas also. Mathew gives every girl a phone for their own safety. A phone with which they can call all over the world. Of course Mathew wants to know where the girls go if they go out he feels responsible for them and doesn’t want anything to happen to them. The girls go by themselves to the beach, to the internet café and go out to south beach, but according to the prosecutor they are Mathew’s prisoners. Mister prosecutor you are the laughing stock of the Aruban people!!! The bars don’t care about the girls having a phone or not, they just have to pay their daily rent and work in the bar as long as it’s open. Mathew is a human trafficker because the girls have sometimes to work long hours. Please check the hours in the other bars in San Nicolas.

The girls from Mathew are mostly European girls that out of their free will choose to dance. The girls in the bars are all Colombian girls that, because of their horrific personal situation at home, have no other way to survive than to do prostitute there selves. Of course who cares, it’s just San Nicolas where it happens and it’s not Mathew who’s involved.

Funny is that this all started with false accusations of a girl that pretended she fled to Curacao the beginning of this year. The truth is she was kicked out after she was being warned not to practice prostitution, but was caught have sex with a client in the private dance room. She begged for another change, but then cocaine was discovered in her room. She was send away as these are the two things and I don’t want to hear about, prostitution and drugs. Of course as it’s about Mathew the government and the prosecutors are all ears and just want to hear what can help set up Mathew.

Although I know my lawyer is fighting hard for me I know it’s hard to fight a conspiracy by people that are powerful and pretend they represent justice. However I will not break and we will see who will be standing tall at the end. Allah Akbar.

 

Alex Mathew

 

Who was the politician that Jossy said had a house of prostitution in Venezuela?

Was it Bouchi Wever?

What a great letter.The police own whore houses!Aruba at it's finest... ::piggy::

Although prostitution is against the law there are dozens of bars were this is practiced. Everybody knows that politicians and people working at the prosecutor’s office visit these bar on a regular bases. Some of these bars are even owed by police officers. Please tell me that I am lying and will proof it. Now San Nicolas boy Mathew starts a night club with strippers and specifically forbids prostitution and shows that this is a success, Mathew has to be brought down again.


Jacobs eatin cornflakes at the bar comes to mind! ::piggy:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I doubt whoever is paying the legal bills for the Kalpoes has any intention of the Kalpoes actually reaping any monetary gain themselves of any large degree.

 ::monkeywine2::

Candelario "Booshi" Wever

I was thinking it was him too.  Didn't find what I was looking for...I remember us discussing it.  At the link below, there's an article I remember but the house of prostitution is mentioned above it...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2620.msg351932#msg351932

Sorry I can't spell Booshi and it is such a common name. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I remember Jossy doing an editorial on it and then it was hushed up.

You did fine, it's not a name you see often.

The first thing that comes to my mind when I hear his name is that front page article of him in Parliament trying to discretely "give the finger".  ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5939&Itemid=26

Papiamentu translation:

(http://www.bondia.com/images/stories/2010/Augustus/30/front1.jpg)  (http://www.bondia.com/images/stories/2010/Augustus/30/front2.jpg)

premier balkenende owing to arrive corsou before visit by farewell y tomorrow will come aruba

monday, 30 august 2010

w’stad/o’stad – first minister by the netherlands, sr. jan-peter balkenende owing to arrive corsou diadomingo afternoon 18:35 on one vuelo by keep costa for by sint maarten. at aeropuerto hato past owing to being ricibi before first minister by antilles dutch, sra. emily de jongh-elhage, agent adhunto by the netherlands at antilles dutch, sra. patricia grolle y comandante suplente by navy regal, sr. jeroen van zaalen. is deal by one visit by farewell y at once also will atende aspectonan cu have by haber cu desmantelacion by antilles. day 9 by september owing to remain by hang on to one conferencia by prensa rondo before atende the proceso estatal. all cos will depende if will succeed form one gobierno new before corsou in the proximo dianan. the mandatario dutch have planning by visit tomorrow we island.

Klaas

It appears that it is not the Dr. Phil team who are prolonging the lawsuit for any lofty motive.  Following a 2008 failure to comply by the Kalpoes' attorneys ... the McGraw attorneys motioned the court to dismiss the case.  The motion was denied.

At that time the judge extended the request to comply deadline by five days.  Five days have come and passed 2 1/2 years ago and ... still the lawsuit has not been dismissed.  The judge has granted repeated extentions since.  Why?

Janet

++++++++

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil

A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. ....

In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling. "There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

In June, another judge dismissed a wrongful death case against the Kalpoes by Holloway's parents, ruling the Los Angeles Superior Court did not have jurisdiction. The parents maintained the brothers conceded jurisdiction when they sued CBS and McGraw in Los Angeles.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 184 - Then FBI agent Bill comes by and delivers the final blow.  "The FBI has never received one single document from the Arubans.  No one tape.  Nothing," he says sadly.  Despite our personal pleas to authorities here and our broadcast appeals to Aruba to let the FBI lend a hand, and regardless of Aruba's public response that it would welcome FBI assistance, the island never let FBI agents in on the investigation.  Never passed them the ball.  Not even for one minute.

I think it's time for these again ...

* * *
Memorable Quotes
(Running Llist – Additions WELCOME)

No body, no case
(Paulus van der Sloot, “poolside chat” with J2K, afternoon/evening 05/30/2005)

How did you get here so fast
(Paulus to “the Alabama posse,” early a.m. 05/31 2005)

You do not have jurisdiction
(Paulus to “the Alabama posse,” early a.m. 05/31 2005 - Deepak quoting Paulus, Deepak PV statement, 06/13/2005)

I’ll have to eat my frosted flakes first
(Detective Dennis Jacobs, to Beth & Jug, 8:00 am or later that a.m., 05/31/2005)

Well how much money you got?
(Detective Dennis Jacobs, to Dave, 06/01/2005)

Well, just go on down to Carlos 'N Charlie's ... Watch your drink. That's one thing you better do is watch your drink
(Detective Dennis Jacobs, to Dave, 06/01/2005)

I could not find “rush in like cowboys” - msmarple, but I seem to have two “cowboy” quotes --)

We can’t book people when we want… (like) a bunch of cowboys
(Karin Jannsen, Lead prosecutor in the Natalee Holloway disappearance, 06/03/05)

“updated 6/26/2005 7:49:23 AM ET
“Aruban authorities have defended their handling of the case, saying meticulous police work takes time.
“‘You have to build up an investigation. You can’t just go in there like a cowboy,’ Janssen said last week when asked why investigators waited more than two weeks to search the van der Sloot home.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8362818/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts// (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8362818/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts//)

Something bad happened
(Deputy Chief Gerold Dompig to AP, attributing to “one of three young men,” 06/12/2005)

I called Deepak and he came with two dogs. I think he raped the girl and did something to her
(Joran PV statement, 06/13/2005)

Joran van der Sloot is a disturbed/sick person, he has admitted that he is in the care of a psychologist and that he hits his brother
(Deepak PV statement, 6/16/2005)

To your question how Natalee was that night in “Carlos & Charlies”, I can say the following. She danced beautifully, I had lied in my previous statement about her being unsteady on her feet when she stepped off the podium/stage. That was beside the truth. She had a steady walk
(Deepak PV statement, 06/22/2005)

Satish, why you guys lie to Mama?
(Nadia Ramirez, 2K’s mother, re. “Holiday Inn story,” to Greta, 06/24/2005)

Your own father, unbelievable
(Deepak to Joran, “secret recording” in polis van, 06/25/2005)

If they find that girl, then they will see that *hit
(Joran to 2K, “secret recording” in polis van, 06/25/2005)

They're going to give you fifteen years if they find the girl
(Deepak to Joran, “secret recording” in polis van, 06/25/2005)


I am being repeatedly asked the same questions and I am sick and tired of that.
(Deepak PV statement – 06/30/2005)

This is a question of semantics. It's been a problem since day one
(Ruben Trapenberg, explaining that “formal charges” could be filed “as soon as Monday,” although Karin Janssen had told reporters that J2K had been charged with murder since their arrest, CDNN 07/01/2005)

Come on, we all lie. We all lie. As big people I know that I lie sometimes
(Nadia Ramirez, 2K’s mother, on Dr. Phil show, 09/05/2005)

One day, I will explain exactly what happened, but, right now, I don’t feel ready to do that
(Joran, A Current Affair, 09/26/2005)

… if you keep acting like this, Mr. Twitty, you know, we’re going to quit
(Jug quoting Karin Janssen, to Greta, 09/28/2005)

 I mean it's happened probably 20, 20 times nothing has ever gone wrong
(Joran to Greta, 03/03/2006)

If he gets in trouble later, he gives his concerned mother three thick kisses
(Interview by Floor Ligtvoet, printed in BN DeStem, 03/30/2006)

A delicious adolescent, he is simply a delicious youth!
(sometimes translated/quoted as “boy” and “sporter” instead of “youth”)
(Anita, from the same BN DeStem article, 03/30/2006)

msmarple includes this one because, well, just because:
We have no alien necessary that ounce come say how unsafely our island is. An Aruban who such call things, calls I to a country traitor, lets stand to an alien who gives a bad name to Aruba abroad. That is still more terrible
(Rudy Croes, MEP of Justice, 11/16/2006)

Why does this *hit always happen to me?
(Joran to Patrick, Peter de Vries tape, aired 02/03/2008)

I am a sporter
(Anita, quoting Joran, to Greta, 02/12/2008)

The effort was superb, but the game was fixed
(“private eye,” Natalee’s uncle, re. recovery of the findings of the Persistence ocean search, posted at SM 04/09/2008)

And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.
(Beth to Greta, 11/19/2008)

So much bad luck sometimes
(Joran, text message to Melody Granadillo, est. 06/03/2010 – “the day of his arrest”)

This isn't a coincidence, this murder
(Ricardo Flores, Stephany's father, to reporters in Lima, Peru, 06/04/2010)

I did not want to do it. {The girl saw private things.} She had no right. I approached her and she was scared. We discussed it and she tried to escape, and I took her neck and hit her
In some quotes, the bracketed phrase is stated as The girl intruded into my private life
(Joran’s “confession,” quoted by BNO News and La Republic, 06/07/2005; a confession he unsuccessfully has attempted to retract)

Van der Sloot said he was sick in the head and had not tasted food in two days
(Google translation from Spanish:
“Van der Sloot dijo sentirse mal de la cabeza y que no había probado alimentos en dos días.”
http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/494308/vea-primeros-minutos-joran-van-der-sloot-carcel (http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/494308/vea-primeros-minutos-joran-van-der-sloot-carcel) 06/13/2010)

(I included the above because “mal de la cabeza” is not the way one refers to a “headache” in Spanish, and we have the later statement from Anita, below.)

My son is sick in his head
(Anita, interview for De Telegraaf, published 06/20/2010)

* * *
Anyone have more information on the following? --

You just don't understand our legal system
(Arlene Ellis-Schipper – Date?)
I could not find this one. I tried several name spellings. Any ideas?

Girls just get lost sometimes
(Angelina?? I don’t know anything about this one ?? )

That Mother, she just wouldn't go away!
(Joran? Anita? to ? re. Beth, date ? - can anyone find this one ?? I thought it was in the Peter dV tape but couldn’t find it)
 
They didn't behave like a normal family with a missing daughter
(Joran? Anita? date?)

Aruba's job was not to babysit Beth's daughter. Beth sent her daughter to swim with the sharks, she is responsible for what ever happened to Natalee
(Glenda, aka Julia Renfroe - do we have a date on that?)

I think they took it on a contingincy basis too, Magnolia! For whatever it's worth, I believe that if Dr. Phil's atty's were going to settle, they would have done it by now and agree with those that think Dr. Phil's atty's would love to get any information from the Kalpoes about Natalee. I'm sure there are altruistic motives for wanting the information, but if they could manage to extract info from K2 while in deposition, it would prove to be big money for Dr. Phil and CBS as well. That information would draw a very large audience! Keep in mind the nature of depositions. Basically, anything can be asked and an answer is expected. K2's attys can log an objection, but the question is answered. Later, at the points of objection, a judge can rule whether it comes in to the trial. A deposition is a big 'ole fishing expedition, and the fish in the Kalpoe/Dr. Phil lake is Satish and Deepak!

I would imagine that K2's atty's were far more encouraged in the beginning about actually collecting a fee, and Joran's arrest in Peru was a blow to them. At one point, they had Joran on the DeVries video saying that K2 had nothing to do with Natalee's death. Things have gotten muddier since then and clearly Joran has shown over and over that if his mouth is open, he is lying. Nothing changes the fact that Natalee left with all 3 boys and all 3 boys lied about the HI drop off, for example. Those boys in a deposition is a dream come true for Natalee's family and a nightmare for them, IMO. Aruba would once again be under a microscope for inaction in the face of wildly inconsistant statements, following a deposition. The questions wouldn't come from an Aruban good ole boy with an agenda, and their answers couldn't stand next to the ones they've already given, IMO.

Just my thoughts............

You are right on - IMO!

If this case is "thrown out" there goes the only hope of ever getting documents in Discovery and the Kalpoes under oath in deposition.

A case can't be tried or even go to trial until the Discovery requests have been met.

And NO WHERE does John Q Kelly say the Kalpoes lawyers are laying the ground rules.

This is the United States of America and the laws of this country prevail here.  It doesn't matter what some attorney in Aruba wants.  Any ruleing made on Aruban law would lose on appeal.

So if this is tossed the Kaploes are off the hook.  As it is, they can either hand over the documents, give depositions or wait forever for their day in court.

And there is nothing difficult about that to understand.  It doesn't matter if the tape was manipulated or not in regard to Discovery.  They STILL have to comply. 

And wreck is correct.  The judge is NOT hearing ANY evidence as that would be illegal before the trial.  Even if he were to do so, this will likely be a jury trial anyway and it is they would would decide.

Given that the whole world knows what Joran is and what he has done, they are not going to see the Kalpoes as having had any reputaion to destroy in the first part.

People who are concerned about their good name and reputation do not act as chauffeur for the likes of Joran van der Sloot.  That pretty well takes care of the "character" question by itself.

When you file a lawsuit, it is implied and understood that you both can and will comply with Discovery.  Otherwise, don't file one.

And it doesn't matter if the documents are relevant or not to the tape or even the case, you can ask just just about any and everything in Discovery if it is even the most remote instance related to the case and often even if it isn't.

The judge later decides what will and will not be allowed to be entered into evidence at the trial.  Some things in Discovery may not be allowed because they are irrelevant but the parties still have to provide them.

And most especially does the complaining party have to comply.  You can't just accuse somebody and then refuse to give them what they need for form a defense.

OK, I want to see this "girlfriend" of Joran.

Where is Jinkasaurus when we need her?

Maybe it's true.  And maybe Joran is making it all up and it's some elderly woman delivering his groceries.

In any evnet I just want to see her.

Anita is getting quite a bargain at only $100 per week for servicing Joran.

I think "his girlfriend" should demand a raise. ::MonkeyDevil::

Wasn't August 27th the date to decide if this case is "complex"?? I was out of town until yesterday -- did I miss it?  ::MonkeyQuestion::

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Well, then we need to consider the perks of the job, right?  The side benefits.  Besides her $100.00 a week, she gets to hobnob with the delicious sporter and the upright citizens of the world at prison.   She gets her five minutes of fame/notoriety.  Some say there is no bad publicity...  Maybe she's got a book deal?  Maybe the "girlfriend" will get some sort of benefit we don't know about yet, obtained through influence, via Anita and her connections.  This "girlfriend" must be getting something out of this, besides a hundred bucks a week.  Just going near that place every week would make one want to go get fumigated after each visit, to say the least.  ALL JMHO of course  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Somehow, I envision Little Red Riding Hood in the red hooded cape and a basket of
goodies on her arm.  ::MonkeyShocked::
I think I may have it all wrong though.  Surely someone will get a picture of her soon. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Bumped for wreck..

Gracias --- so delayed again to Sep 28th?

Little Red Riding Hood? j/k

(http://images.halloweencostume.com/sexy-red-riding-hood.jpg)

Anyone care to wager how long it will be before the "girlfriend's"  pic shows up in a tabloid?   $$$

Yep...se nada (sp?), wreck.

no comprende, por que? ::MonkeyDevil::

THAT'S HER !!!!  You got the first pic Muffy!

Now don't you think Anita should pay her more than $100 a week?

 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045

Those police ARE whore's-figuratively speaking.

  ::MonkeyShovel:: Aruba meet your maker >>>  ::MonkeyDevil::

(bolded by me)
Hi Shell ::HelloKitty::  It's great to see you again.   ::MonkeyJnBox::

I have been MIA for a while. Any recent pics/news about the sporter?

Thanks Muffy, good to see you too, how you been?  ::MonkeyKiss::

Hi Shell - good to see you.  Nothing really new except he's still in jail and appealing his confession or something. 

This gringa took French in HS many years ago and even tested Spanish versions of applications in her line of work.  It's all not coming back to me!  LOL.  I probably ride a bike and type better than being a linguist. 

You are welcome, senor wreck, or better yet, no problemo.

I wondered last week if I could still ride a bike that wasn't stationary.

They say you never forget. ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Exactly....

 ::MonkeyKiss::

Well, the last time I got on one I did not forget how to ride but I did forget how to *stop*. Haven't gotten on one since, it scared me so bad!!!!

There is the one new picture of Joran with his cellblock buddies (reports indicated that they have since been relocated). They were going to find out and reprimand whoever took the photo...

I don't know how long, but if "girlfriend" wasn't separated by bars with Joran it would be very likely her picture would show up in the obituaries! Girl's aren't safe around him!

Ugh......it falls into the catagory of 'Pat' on Saturday night live.... :roll:

Happy Hump Day      ::MonkeyBike::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/243.zoom3.jpg)

O/T kinda/sorta BUT interesting...................

Rave Teen Death Attributed to Ecstasy Poisoning
Updated 6:48 PM PDT, Tue, Aug 31, 2010

A 15-year-old girl who died at California Hospital Medical Center two days after attending the Electric Daisy Carnival rave at the

Los Angeles County Coliseum, died of ecstasy poisoning, the coroner's office confirmed Tuesday. 
 
Sasha Rodriguez died of Methylenedioxymethamphetamine poisoning, according to Christie McCracken, an investigator with the Los Angeles County Coroner's office. Methylenedioxymethamphetamine is the technical name for MDMA, the popular drug better known as ecstasy.
   
Ecstasy poisoning was suspected from the start when the girl, who was identified by the coroner's office as Sasha Roth, arrived at California Hospital Medical Center in a coma. She had attended the rave event at the Coliseum June 27.
   
Dr. Marc Futernick, head emergency room physician at California Hospital Medical Center, told the Los Angeles Times the hallucinogen caused Sasha to lose oxygen to her brain, leading to her death.
   
He said the girl experienced seizures during her time at the hospital where she stayed until her brain died. On June 29, she was taken off life support.
   
SNIPPED....
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local-beat/Rave-Teen-Death-Attributed-to-Ecstasy-Poisoning-101936658.html

Very interesting, Nut.  Thank you.   

This may have been posted already.  I apologize if it's a repeat.

New Chief of Mission at United States Consulate General Curacao
 General News     August 31st, 2010
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The Consulate General of the United States of America announces the arrival of the new U.S. Chief of Mission for the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, Ms. Valerie Belon. She succeeds Mr. Timothy J. Dunn.

On August 26, 2010, Consul General Valerie Belon assumed her responsibilities as Consul General for the United States of America in the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. As Consul General and Chief of Mission, she will remain responsible for Aruba and all islands of the Netherlands Antilles throughout the dissolution process as the senior representative of the United States Government.

Valerie Belon has enjoyed a 20-year career as a Foreign Service Officer in the U.S. State Department, specializing primarily in economic development, regulation, investment, and environmental issues. Most recently, she was the Senior Benelux Desk Officer at the State Department, taking the lead role for all Dutch and Luxembourg issues as well as overseeing the desk officer for Belgium.

From August 2008 until June 2009, Valerie Belon managed all outreach and public diplomacy efforts related to the Summit of the Americas in the Bureau for Western Hemisphere Affairs, which culminated in President Obama’s participation in the Summit hosted by Trinidad and Tobago in April 2009. Her overseas postings began in 1991 with a war-time assignment to Congo-Brazzaville, where she coordinated the evacuation of over 3,000 American citizens, including many remotely-located Peace Corps volunteers and missionaries. She ended her Africa tour as Acting Deputy Chief of Mission during a period of civil unrest with dusk-to-dawn curfews. She also completed assignments at the U.S. Embassies in Belize City (1995-1998), Panama City (1999-2002), and Paris (2002-2006).

Consul General Belon is fluent in French and Spanish. Prior to joining the Foreign Service, she worked in the U.S. Senate as a legislative staff assistant. She earned a degree in Economics from University, a Masters in Business Administration from the University of California Los Angeles, and a Master’s degree in International Policy Studies from Stanford University. Valerie Belon was born and raised in Fairbanks, Alaska, and has family ties to California and France. She resides in Willemstad with her pre-school-aged daughter, Lucy.

Story courtesy of Aruba Today

http://www.aruba.com/news/general-news/new-chief-of-mission-at-united-states-consulate-general-curacao/#more-4423

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/joran_vandersloot_prison_romance/celebrity/69255

JORAN'S PRISON ROMANCE
Accused killer JORAN VAN DER SLOOT has begun a jailhouse romance with a mystery woman who’s been allowed to visit him in his cell, The ENQUIRER has learned exclusively.

The slim, 30-something blonde calls on Dutch-born Joran twice a week at the grim Miguel Castro Castro prison in Lima, Peru.

“She’s a white foreigner with short blonde hair who speaks English and Spanish fluently. Guards as well as prisoners refer to her as 'the Dutchman’s gringa,’” revealed a source close to the case.

Joran has called the woman “my girlfriend” in conversations with Hugo Trujillo Ospina aka “The Clown,” the Colombian assassin who shares his cell block. However, it is unlikely that Joran has been able to get very intimate with the woman inside the 2,300-inmate prison because he is never left unguarded.

She began visiting van der Sloot, 23, on June 20 — 17 days after he was arrested for the brutal murder of Stephany Flores, the 21-year-old daughter of a wealthy businessman.

According to prison sources, the unlikely romance blossomed after van der Sloot’s mother began paying the woman $100 a month to take him food, money and clothing, and report on his condition.

During one recent 30-minute visit, guards’ records show that she brought him five cans of tuna and another five cans of beans with bacon, plus bread, jam and water.

Tuna and beans....phew!!     ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/joran-van-der-sloot-has-a-girlfriend

Joran Van Der Sloot Has a Girlfriend

News by Crazy Days and Nights
(15 Hours Ago) in Society / Crime

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Apparently Joran Van Der Sloot still attracts the ladies. Either they are idiots, or they have some type of terminal illness, so they don't feel threatened by being in his presence. Anything other than that and, well, I wonder what is wrong with you. According to The Enquirer, the woman, in her 30s, visits Joran in his cell. Not a waiting room or a visitors' room, but in his cell. Conjugal visits? Well, who knows. What The Enquirer does know is that she was originally hired by Joran's mom to bring Joran food. The rest just came naturally after some visits.

She is only there 30 minutes each time, but there is no limit to the number of times she is allowed to visit. Joran has referred to her as his girlfriend.

WTF ?
Peru allows a woman inside of there prison system ?? Do all the guards get a chance to strip search her and take a peek inside ?? looking for drugs guns and school buses ?

Well I suppose it does not surprize me all that much..
Anita found a whore just like her to keep her little killer-boy happy....

So what else is new >

Are we SURE she's a woman??  ::MonkeyDevil::

I think she is an employee of the Dutch embassy.  Anita is only paying her $100 a month,
not a week....so she is a bargain
Joran, as well as all Dutch prisoner's on foreign soil, gets something like $40 a month from the
government to pay for essentials.

LOL   Can you imagine the aroma of flatulence? lol

Exactly ...   ::MonkeyDevil::

Perhaps it's Jan Brennan :cool:

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

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  ::MonkeyEek:: OMG! I'm trying to get that out of my head...........  eewwwww!!!   ::MonkeyTongue::

For $100.00 a month to go inside a jail cell with Joran, she'd have to be one of those inmate groupies or something. Must be an exclusive club she shares with Charles Manson and Scott Peterson female fans.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

 http://www.nlgovlim.com/embajada_nl.htm

Maybe one of the females mentioned on this website is visiting Natalees killer every week.

Ellen Roof does the humanright stuff and is in contact with Amnesty people. Maybe she's blond.

Third row:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/39072859@N04/page3/

@Buckeye

She's not the one. Almost 30 years working in Peru. Her department could be involved. Maybe among the other females a blond one ?

If the blond girl is related to a friend of Anita Hugen and staying or living in Lima, Peru, it could be Lila Megens-Mendoza, a teacher [spanish] at the ISA, Aruba.
In Nijmegen, the Netherlands there is a Janske Megens [ short blond hair, 3O years or so, her picture is on the internet]  was also at the Artschool in Arnhem. There is a Jussi Megens, works for a travel magazine called Columbus.
Megens-Mendoza could be connected to Peru.

There is also a Sergia Betancourt at the ISA.

Her website -  http://www.janskemegens.nl/info.php

What should have been  ::MonkeyCool::

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Not sure this is the same Luis Betancourt, but thought it was interesting. 

http://www.24ora.com/entretenimento-mainmenu-12/21520-luis-betancourt-a-bira-un-ganado-den-crystal-casino.html

Papiamentu translation:

luis betancourt owing to become one ganado in crystal casino

thursday, 02 september 2010 09:48

crystal casino is contento cada trip cu they can present publicamente one by they ganadonan, already cu the is one proof cu crystal y seaport casino have the mashinnan more los here at aruba. y is at where tourist y we person local they're bay before play y earn come across..

all day thousand by guilder is being entrega at tanto clientenan local because also tourist. the trip here owing to toca file at sr.luis infante betancourt cu owing to earn 3 thousand dollar at one by the engine they more like y play in crystal casino come across., come across.

sr.betancourt come across, procedente by venezuela owing to splica cu the likes aruba, y hour the is here, her casino preferi is crystal casino before motibo by the good servicio by her personal, kendenan is hendenan dainty. naturally one another motibo is also because crystal casino have the variacion by more big by slot machines y because game they by table y the unique casino on the island cu is open 24 hour.

sr.betancourt owing to say by is feliz cu her premium y cu is assure cu in her proximo visit the not can remain without happen at crystal casino, caminda her suerte is sigura.

 ::MonkeyGavel::

 Does anyone else think Paulus would be the fourth person in this pic, if he were still alive?  He should have been in jail along with Joran, and the Kalpoes.  JMHO  All four of them should be in jail for their crimes against Natalee Holloway.  Again, jmho.

Back to Joran's new "girl friend".............................. anyone think it might be Guido in a blonde wig??????  ::MonkeyDevil::

Wreck, you are so smart!   How did you figure that out?   Of course that's who it is. ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

 :smt061 ::bananadance::

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 ::MonkeyLaugh::

That just cracks me up  :smt044 :smt044 :smt046 :smt044 :smt044 :smt044

A bit of a bizarre update:

Remember the defrocked Dutch judge blogging about Natalee?  The picture posted by carin?  Well he has another "chapter" posted.  Very hard to copy but I managed to copy and read it.  Nothing new.

He credits Tom Welles with helping him...he's done so much research...talked to all those involved...etc.  Now I suppose there could be a real life Tom Welles, but I was thinking he was referring to the Nicholas Cage character.  Maybe his "helper" gave him that name????

One of the other posters, also has a Dutch website.  While reading through it, low and behold, a copied post from BFN was posted.  ******** had said he was helping the judge with help from Pita and SS....but not for any monetary gain....also said the picture (from carin) had been forwarded to family and was most probably nothing.

Those of you with BFN connections probably knew this.

Edit- Buckeye, there are some words that are filtered in this forum, and you went around the filter.  Please don't do that.  I've edited out the word.  MuffyBee

Hi Sandy Leiva  ::HelloKitty::  It's good to "see" you.

Self-edit typo.

http://www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl/wordpress/

This "judge" is using information and photos originally compiled at Scared Monkeys and is saying it is copyrighted?   ::MonkeyDevil::
Since he says it is copyrighted I want it known I'm only posting for the translation and not for any monetary gain.  I think it's very unusual that it translates so nicely by google, almost as though it was written in English first  ::MonkeyDevil::

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Sorry ...

IMO - Tom Welles is a alias for *******

Damn, Klaas!!!  You are too clever.   I'm impressed. ::MonkeyCool::  ::monkeywine2::

He is such a looser!    ::MonkeyRoll::

Seriously, what is their purpose?  We have a Dutch blog about a murdered Natalee Holloway which occurred in Aruba in 2005 and this guy is going to take all of the information we have compiled and write a book and say his online blog is copyrighted?  GMFB

I'd like to add that especially after over 5 years it's time to be open and not hide what is said behind a language Natalee's family doesn't speak.

I can't for the life of me figure out who ******* is lol I been reading here everyday for five years and somehow I'm missing this.... sorry everyone

Someone that has been following the case since the beginning that used to be a moderator here at SM that has a foul mouth and worse temper that got him banned.  He will say he quit but he was in the process of being banned and his moderator abilities had already been removed which really ticked him off.  He now gets his "strokes" behind the closed doors at BFN and other members read only sites.

His name is filtered out because he claimed someone was talking about him.

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I think he should change his name to Obsessed.    ::MonkeyDevil::

I do remember all of this I'll have to think hard for a bit lol...

******** was a former moderator who got his ass kicked by Anna.

Don't think too hard, he's not worth it.  ::MonkeyCool::

San  ::MonkeyHaHa::

lmao I'll try not to Klaas. @magnolia- people always get mad when they get cut off ha ha

Just want to say Hi to Debbie in the rafters!  ::HelloKitty::

 ::MonkeyDevil::  ::MonkeyDevil::  ::MonkeyDevil::

  ::monkeywine2:: ::MonkeyDance::

   



hi muffy bee  good to see ya also.  im always in the rafters somewhere reading n watching. sl

Just going through these pics now looking for the usual suspects:

http://www.coolaruba.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=39

Steve Croes aka DJ Diablo

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 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Maybe she's here to check on Klaasend's spelling.   ::MonkeyTongue::

I'm sure that's it, Muffy!   She is so meticulous, ya know, but she has no scruples!

Anybody's dog that will hunt with her!  IMO ::CowboySmiley::

::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm sure she's got her work cut out for her keeping Tom Welle's straight!    ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::pullinghairout::

Translated and amended:

IUPG always says:

Anyone still interested in the "researcher" of Wedzinga? Drive on down.
The ****** is the man who called on various forums. The man, if I remember correctly was a ban on Fokforum. The man who trolls around Fok full threw all kinds of nonsense articles on Aruba that nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the Natalee Holloway case had to do. And yes, the man who was in Boston to demonstrate in a tourism exhibition, which was also represented Aruba, 'Boycott of Aruba "and" Justice for Natalee.
Well, Wedzinga. Congratulations on your "researcher". If it were not so sad, I was on the floor rolling with laughter.

Source. ***** itself:
I am the One Who Has Been Helping Wicher Wedzinga learn about the case and SS and Pita That Have Already known for the last month: shake: All I do is help this Family and others try and get answers about Their loved ones and I give continiously while others just take. I am not interested in Any 15 minutes of fame

Natalee's Family HAS Already Received the original picture as well as the story told by Carin. Sorry to tell you all but the picture and "Carin" Extremely story is doubtful.

http://www.kovandijkvertelt.nl/2010/08/wicher-wedzinga-en-de-ontknoping-van-het-natalee-mysterie/#comments

Poor *******.  He's the only one trying to help and nobody cares  ::MonkeyTears::

But....but....but...he compiled all of our research/info from so many of us.....surely he must be due all the fame/credit.  It's almost as good as that "cut and paste", "original", Jan Brennan book.

I do hope someone clues the judge into the Nicholas Cage pseudonym....

Thanks Buckeye!   ::MonkeyCool::


Well of course he's not interested in "any 15 minutes of fame"...he'll take a lot more than that.  ::MonkeyRoll::

Disgusting, and SHAME ON HIM!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


He should have had Debbie proofread that post!   ::MonkeyTongue::

continiously 

I think the misspellings are as common as the lies when it comes to him.

JMO

I agree.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


San, last thing I was trying to do was kick anybody's ass.  I was shocked at his melt down.  I told Dave holloway in chat at BFN about the one phone conversation I ever had with Hans Mos.  Dave could easily verify anything I said so I sure wasn't about to lie about anything.  Besides, I don't lie in the first place but he went bonkers!

And before it was over, it was my fault he got banned for lying at two other site including Fok.  I never posted there or even read more than a very few times.  But he needed to discredit me over a side issue that he knew I found out about, lol.

I hope the "judge" has checked his facts because I sure wouldn't consider that one reliable.




Klass, it's a matter of record when certain things were posted such as photos, etc.  It's pretty easy to go back and see who posted what and when.  Saying something is copyrighted doesn't effect anything at all.  Silly in fact, IMO.

Just a FWIW.  All of the photos on the blog link with the Natalee Chapter 3 can be found at SM and of course many other places now.  Off the top of my head, two of the photos this guy wants to copyright on his page are ones I originally either added text to or did a compare in photoshop:

http://www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl/wordpress/

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As another FYI - I have saved EVERYTHING including all emails going back to 2005. 

So now, can we get back to being glad that Joran is in prison?  ::MonkeyCool::

Yes, it's so sad.  While others just "take"!  Take what??? 

Any time a person has that "agree with me or else" mentality--look out!  They are more about their own theory being right than finding the truth as I am sure we all realize.

But it has been one wild ride with a host of characters along the way.

Yes, I am so shocked, sickened and saddened by what Joran did to Stephany but it does sort of seal things as far as his being some sort of innocent wrongl accused.


And I want to know who that alleged gf is and what she looks like.  I wonder if Nancy Grace knows about this.

That said, Klaas, I still get steamed when people steal your work.  You are the one who has given and given.  I remember all that translating of the PV statements and all the rest you have done.  Because somebody screams copyright doesn't change a thing legally, either.  The dates things were posted say it all.

I agree Anna. Klaas has given so much of her time like so many others and never asked for anything in return but Justice for Natalee.

If you have to cry that you have given so much then you aren't in it for the right reasons.  In a certain persons case they have given nothing.  Thank god they are no longer here.

I tried!!! I think I "outed" Joran's new "girlfriend" in prison earlier!  ::MonkeyCool::

Guido with a blonde wig? 

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THAT'S IT!!!!!!!!    ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.diario.aw/2010/09/nel-a-perde-cabez-despues-di-un-rato-cu-e-tabata-den-tribuna-di-parlamento/

More pics at the link...

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Papiamentu translation:

nel owing to lose cabez after by one rato cu the was in rostrum by parliament

publication: diahuebs, 2 september 2010.

categoria: general

past owing to go back after by one rest good mereci… but,

oranjestad(aan):hopi person can owing to corda con first y during campaña electoral 2009 was seems cu “stress” was have the ex–prome minister, nel oduber, quite influencia. expresionnan cu past owing to haci the time ey was legendario y at the same time amusing. but before one first minister the not was peace. here can corda con past owing to referi at cuerpo policial before one are by padvinder or c u is hungador by domino under pole. pesey self, quite siguidor politico, owing to think c u is at her lugar for her politico by 30 y pico year in politica, manner cu the self is referi at her self, merece one good rest. yesterday, after by some moon by rest, quite owing to wait for one nel oduber envigorisa y cu forza before follow her trabao. but seems cu the “stress” still tine domina. neither one cuarto by hour upstairs rostrum by parliament by aruba, sr. oduber owing to cuminsa bark, insulta y hoist hand at air. quite owing to believe cu her hendenan will siguie, but everybody owing to remain sit keto in they chair. before more cu past owing to try drag atencion y afresh insulta polisnan present, neither person owing to dun’e mucho atencion. polisnan owing to dicidi by cuminsa by bay in direccion by the ex-prome minister before they attain one mihor view because precaucion. nel oduber owing to believe cu seguramente they owing to bay areste or sake for by the edificio. before her astonishment, the polisnan owing to happen bay near by dje y past owing to remain sperando before they laydown hand upstairs dje. quite by esnan present was comenta cu the will is buscando one motibo before arise her hendenan at her please. according informenan, have one problem for her politico by enough year here at caminda. seems cu have quite presion for her thirst her posicion by leader at another person. but nel oduber apparently does not hear cu another maybe leader can will printo by the faction cu betico croes owing to erect.

 ::MonkeyCool::

::MonkeyCool::  No doubtaboutit!

I think this is the same thing in Amigoe English:

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_77480.php

Parliament to vote for Charter for the Kingdom of the Netherlands
1 Sep, 2010, 08:06 (GMT -04:00)

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The public gallery of the parliament was crowded with MEP-supporters this morning, and the former premier Nelson Oduber (MEP) was present as well.

ORANJESTAD — The public gallery was crowded this morning with MEP-supporters, amongst whom Nelson Oduber, in a protest against the amendments of the Charter of the Kingdom of the Netherlands on which the parliament will have to vote today. In any case, Premier Mike Eman (AVP) does not expect any delay in the last actions that are still necessary for the dismantlement of the Netherlands Antilles per October 10th. He stated this yesterday during the farewell visit of outgoing Premier Jan Peter Balkenende (CDA).

States-chairman Paul Croes (AVP) immediately tried to end the shouting from the gallery by issuing warnings. Party-chairman Booshi Wever (MEP) had asked for the same ‘tolerance’ that was shown at other discussions in which the audience had exactly supported ‘green’ (government – to no avail. Andin Bikker (PDR) was the first speaker who argued for acceptance of his amendment, which he called an ‘elegant solution’ in order not to obstruct the forming of new countries, but simultaneously solving the problem that his party and the MEP have with article 27 section 3 and section 4. Both parties consider that article as a substantial intervention in the autonomy of Aruba. Bikker says it is great to be good friends with the Netherlands. “However, one cannot expect that those friends come to your house to drink whisky and beer and before you know it, end up in your bedroom with your wife and your wallet.”
As second speaker, parliamentarian Eveline Wever-Croes (MEP) phrased it as follows this morning. “It boils down to Geert Wilders and Hero Brinkman soon determining what is going to happen on Aruba. If we hand in our autonomy now, we will never get it back.”

Majority
The acceptance of the Charter amendments today requires a two-third majority in the States. There’s a very small chance this will occur, as MEP has eight seats in the parliament and PDR indicated it would almost certainly abstain from voting if article 27 is not adjusted. If there is no two-third majority today, then the subject will be discussed in the parliament again on Thursday. With this so-called second reading, the Charter amendments could still be adopted with a ‘normal’ majority. As government party AVP has the majority in the parliament with 12 seats, and already declared to be in favor of the Charter amendments, Aruba will almost certainly therefore adopt these before the end of the week.

It is against this background Premier Eman stated yesterday that he did not expect any delay. Outgoing Premier Jan Peter Balkenende did not wish to comment on the matter. Just like on the neighboring islands, which Balkenende visited the past days, he did not respond yesterday to questions from the press, although they were initially invited for a press conference at the Administrative Office. That invitation appeared to be a mistake, Premier Eman admitted. “He does not want to say anything because he is an outgoing premier and a cabinet formation is now in progress in the Netherlands. Both matters call for prudence in order not to make any statements that could bind a future cabinet.”

In any case, the legal procedure must be finalized by September 15th so that the Antilles can be dismantled on October 10th. After the acceptance by the Aruban parliament, the Lower Chamber still has to discuss the Charter amendments next week, the National Council of Ministers has to meet for a formal approval, and there’s still the Round Table Conference. After his conversation with the Dutch Premier, Eman concluded that in any case ‘all persons involved expect that the political changes will succeed on time’.

KNOWING WHAT EVERYONE KNOWS NOW - DRAW YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS about what
this person and his good buddy Capslockwizard etc. were doing.

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Deepak is smarter than he looks  ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

OXXXXXXX aka blue balls aka Jim Dillard etc:

Chat & Grumble:
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"...... and stay groovy, dude"    ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  he really knows the kids' lingo these days!  ::MonkeyDevil::

Kermit - you really do need to change your outfit, Miss Piggy would be embarrassed  ::piggy::

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 ::MonkeyShovel::

Yeah I didn't know if a new outfit was ready or not.
 ::MonkeyCool::

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btw - I have seen/read the sex chats between this adult male and the young girl. That is where he refers to his blue-balls to her

I like my Kermit plain. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I was waiting for you to show up tonight. ::MonkeyCool::

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 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyShovel:: ::rhino::

Notice for our Dutch posters:

The heavily guarded Castro Castro Prison in Lima, the home of the world's most controversial murder suspect Joran van der Sloot.

 RTL Extra on Monday, September 6 brings in its own words revealing a half-hour broadcast with new and startling facts.

 RTL Extra - Joran Van der Sloot, Monday, September 6 at 20:30 pm on RTL 4.
Repetition Wednesday, September 8 22:30 RTL4

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Thanks Buckeye - I can't wait. Judgement day is coming. HEAR THAT KALPOES. DON'T BE TOOLS AND COME TO AMERICA LAND OF THE FREE - SPILL YOUR GUTLESS GUTS.
 ::MonkeyGavel::

I can hardly wait for the show on Wednesday too, Buckeye.  Thanks! ::piggy::

Kermit, did you hear that Satish got married?

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Yes I heard Ronchy gave him away.
 ::monkeywine2::

::MonkeyTongue::

Debbie just can't stay away tonight. ::MonkeyShocked::

It was a lovely wedding. ::MonkeyHaHa::

reluctantly!   ::MonkeyDevil::

stay well monkeys
 ::MonkeyJnBox::

Hi-ho

::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

good one.

You must have been in invisible mode!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::FlyingFrog::

You too Kermit!    ::CowboySmiley::

::MonkeyCool::

Thankie Miss Texas.

gotta hop now

ribbit

I hope she's wishing she could sign in and post something!  ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyWitch1::

You know, you go back and read all of that stuff that Oberver and Lalas and Casa and them posted,
and it makes you wonder what on earth they were thinking.

They were plotting even way back then and I wonder why they would tell such lies.

Or correct some spelling. ::MonkeyTongue::

HT San

I unfortunately can't watch this on Monday but I will definitely watch the re-run on Wednesday.
I'll post here if it contains anything interesting if anyone else hasn't done so on Monday/Tuesday.  ::piggy::

@Tom Welles

To recover your real identity is no problem for a trollhunter.

 ::MonkeyBike::  Had trouble getting into photobucket but wanted to share the attached.  Good morning, all.

Just saw an interview with Dutch crime-reporter John van den Heuvel, he and Bert Huisjes have been to Peru recently and have spoken (on camera) with Joran.

There will be articles in the Telegraaf tomorrow and Saturday and the interview will be aired Monday. Furthermore van den Heuvel states that he has investigated what happened in Peru with the Flores case, that he is writing a book about Joran which will be published next month and that he's in contact with the American networks about selling them this interview.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/7551046/__Exclusief_gesprek_met_Joran_van_der_Sloot__.html

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Thanks DPJ!

 ::MonkeyCool::

A still from the video showing van den Heuvel interviewing Joran

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CORRECTION: the articles in the Telegraaf will be Saturday and Monday.

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 He looks thinner

I have to admit I'm a bit concerned about the reporters slant on the story but I'll wait and see.

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/Nieuws/article/detail/509738/2010/09/03/John-van-den-Heuvel-spreekt-met-Joran.dhtml

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I had the same thoughts.....we will all have to wait and see, I guess.

Well, I dashed in here with my BREAKING NEWS only to find you already know all about it!

Just received this:

A Dutch crime reporter got an interview with Joran. This video will be on RTL4 on Monday.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/7551046/__Exclusief_gesprek_met_Joran_van_der_Sloot__.html

Do you know if they paid Joran the million he was asking for an interview?

I have a 40 year old son????

 ::MonkeyShocked::   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

I'd love to meet him!  How could I not know about this?  Not even my oldest is that old let alone the one being stalked by these posts.

There are some very sick people in the world and Natalee's disappearance has brought out a lot of them for sure.

But I must locate this son that I have never met and do not recall giving birth to.  You'd think I would remember a thing like that for sure but apparently some people know more about my business that I do myself.

Not likely on the interview for the Dutch TV alone but with the book van den Heuvel is writing and him selling on this show and interview to the American networks lots of money will be involved and part of it will go to the van der Sloot family without doubt.

Thanks JoAn

It must be lost on some that SM has OTHER missing persons cases and that the Caylee Anthony case like has far more posters and postings than Natalee now.

SM thrives and grows while the others shrivel up and die on the vine.  And yet they will claim the opposite is true.

Some people are just reality challenged.  And they will twist anything to make themselves and their lame theories be the correct ones about what happened to Natalee.  Any book, movie, video, etc. based on information from these who want to be right rather than find the truth is seriously compromised from  the start.

Unreals??

Another book???  These people just want to make money off of this tragedy!!!

And Joran is apparently still able to milk it for all its worth to get his own perks.

Just makes me furious.  I believe he is holding a bag of cartons of cigarettes in that photo.  Looks like several of them.  I hope the other prisoners teach him to share by force, lol. 

Could be, Buckeye.

It looks like zip lock baggies full of cash that Joran is holding.

That middle photo of Stephany is taken at a place called (phonetically only)  Muccho Peccho, a very famous Inca ruin.

I have been there!  It's fascinating.  The things they had so long ago like little troughs for running water and the construction on the side of a mountain, their agriculture, protection from enemies who would never be able to scale the walls, etc.

Just thought I would mention that.  There are all kinds of archeological marvels in Peru and Bolivia like this but this one is probably the most spectacular.

No John van den Heuvel, he announced in that video that he has written a book about Joran and that it will be published this month in the netherlands.

When someone gets hung up on a certain thought or idea and repeats it and carries on about it forever, you can bet they are up to something long term.  I mean like writing a book and need documentation or are attempting to fabricate proof, etc.  Or sell it to somebody.

Normal people will remain at least a little bit flexible in that regard.

And yes, this Dutch reporter is very sympathetic to the Sloots.  I think he is going to try to play the human rights card for Joran's benefit.   Remember Arleen used to tell us how even suspects had rights under their system as though they don't under ours, lol.  Well, apparently the suspects have more rights and the victims NONE.

That's how Joran was on his big free feet to kill again!  The blood of Stephany Flores is on the hands of that system and Aruba and nothing changes that fact.

I don't want to even hear about Joran and his rights!!!  It's those very rights that killed yet another young woman.

And now they treat Joran like he is some kind of rock star! 

What's wrong with this picture?  Some people never learn.

I have a friend who traveled to hike Machu Pichuu with her brother a few years back & also worked with Peruvians who lived here who helped us with customer service with Spanish speaking callers.  Sadly, I no longer am in contact with them for their input on any of this.

Buckeye - that was my first thought as well which would mean that I'm sure we will be very angry at the broadcast.  Unreals is the equivalent of Renee Guilen (sp).

Translated:

Joran's murder mysteries

 Author: John Vanden Heuvel and Bert Houses The complete story about the true role of Joran van der Sloot in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and the killing of Stephany Flores
 This is the complete and previously written story about the murder cases that the world is already five years into his grip.

• Filled with countless previously unpublished material from secret police files.
 • Latest new facts and witness statements.
. • Unique and revealing images.
 • The facts behind the disappearance of Natalie Holloway.
• The secret conspiracy behind the murder of Stephanie Flores.
• The dubious role of the FBI in both cases.
 • Exclusive pictures of Castro Castro prison in Joran.

 NOW ALL THE MOST DISCUSSED BOOK OF 2010!

http://webshop.telegraaf.nl/1/tb-cat-nieuweboeken/pro-1170982

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

DPJ - in case you didn't know, UNREALS is a poster over at Refugeesunleashed and goes over the top with theories that favor Joran.  I believe he even admitted he was writing a book.  That is why Buckeye and I both think van den Heuvel could be "Unreals".

Yup - just as I thought  ::MonkeyNoNo::

 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045

It's really no mystery.  Joran is a monster and anyone who has defended him over the last 5+ years has Stephany's blood on their hands. 


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I think I figured out in the middle of the night why that bunch at C&G got so upset.

I'm slow and it took it a while to dawn on me.

He was writing the book and Kermit and Jen's information didn't fit into his script.
Some of them just followed along, without knowing, and out of stupidity.

It was important to make Klaas and Kermit the bad guys in order to keep his theory alive.

Is that close??? ::MonkeyHaHa::

Magnolia - I'm slow sometimes but I don't think any ex-moderators/banned are behind this particular book.  They may have unwittingly helped though.

Unreals is very well spoken.  Not one of our ex's.

I don't either.  I think this new one, (Heuves and Huisjes) is a product of Anita's little Army.

I was talking about The Dark Lard and the Judge's book.

Books are popping up all over the place. ::MonkeyHaHa::

That's sort of what I am trying to say, too, Magnolia.  When people pick and chose their "facts" and ignore everything else and the big picture, they have an agenda!

Anybody or anything that doesn't fit must be attacked!

But I do think Joran killing again and getting caught so redhanded must have really thrown a monkey wrench into a lot of people's big plans to make money and restore the undeserved honor to Aruba and to Joran.

It's so out there and so obvious.  Maybe no one ever told them when you find yourself in a hole, quit digging!  They just keep it up with their sympathy for Joran and lies about Natalee.

I agree with you, and Unreals writes well.  I have tried to figure it out.

We're going to need translators.  I don't see these books making it in the US.  Well, I don't have to get the one, since we wrote it.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Anna

Please, get with it.  It's the FBI....all the way back to Jug's long fingers.  Backed by postings at scrux.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Maybe AHATA has held a "Write a Book for Tourism" contest with the prize going to the one whose book sells the most.  Truth not required, only things to enhance and restore tourism.

Aruba killed Stephany along with Joran.  He shouldn't have been free to kill again.  They refused to collect any evidence against him.

Tourist are not safe in a place like that and should not go.

I think Unreals said that his/hers was going to be published in English.

Who was the one who wrote for Wiki?

I think that idea sprung up at the Task Force of down-staffed, internet disinformationists. Could have been The Caribbean Psychic Task Force.  Not sure.

I think we are talking three different books right now:

The one by H&H with interviews with Joran

The one by Unreals

The one by The Dark Lard and The Judge.

Buckeye, and I think Dick Cheney is in there somewhere, lol. 

And now this same group has "framed" Joran for sure, lol.  He probably was no where near when Stephany was killed.

Oh, wait. . . .there are those pesky videos!  Especially the one where he comes out of the room and then pretends to be locked out!

But two new books both supporting a murderer is not a normal reaction.  This is wht Beth has been facing all along and why I have done everything I can to support her and always will.  It's Beth against national governments and an organized and massive tourist industry.

Aruba is a dirty word now.  No matter how many books they write, nothing will change that.  And all the media covers this as Joran the Dutchman.

So they compound the offense by defending him. 

Joran has become the poster child for a corrupt system that allows the so obviously guilty ge away by power and influence and refusing to collect any evidence against him.

I think these dolts actually expect to be believed and that because they say so in a book, people are going to think that makes it a fact or the truth.

Wow!  That's a lot.  Isn't that sort of thing considered over-saturation and supposed to make the sale of each one low?

I think there is financing behind the scenes as the market for Joran has to be pretty limited espcially considering the news coverage that is free.

Yes, why would they intentional tell lies?

AND they even stated that  "He [JOHN SILVETTI] LIED to you lala about his
last visit.

YET they continued to vehemently defend him and attack anyone who exposed the truth.

Is it true that The Dark Lard's storyline didn't follow the Persistence finding?
That's all I can think of ::MonkeyHaHa::

Is Pita the Dark Lard's sister?

Don't have time to post much about it right now but this caught my eye!  Looks like Oriana Mansur's "coming out" or whatever they call it... party(ies).  There's another article also today in the online Diario.

http://www.diario.aw/2010/09/un-anochi-di-elegancia-pa-oriana-su-15-ana/

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A lot more pics at the link!

http://www.timesoftheinternet.com/147695.html

Joran Van Der Sloot Parties In Prison
LIMA, Peru, Sep. 3 (TOTI) --

In news that is bound to upset the families of his alleged victims, accused killer Joran van der Sloot is being accused of partying in prison, says a new report from Globe.

The tabloid says a photo they obtained that shows Joran partying with fellow prisoners is likely to sicken the family of Natalee Holloway.

“When Natalee's family sees this photo, it will be like a dagger through their hearts,” said Manhattan attorney Susan Moss. “Joran, the smug creep, is clearly saying, 'Look, I beat the system again!'”

Although many think that Joran van der Sloot murdered Natalie Holloway, that's not why he's in prison at the Miguel Castro Castro prison in Lima, Peru. He's there awaiting trial for the murder of 21-year-old Peruvian college student Stephany Flores.

“He's spitting at the memory of those smart, beautiful, young women who lost their lives after meeting him,” said Moss. “With his laughing and sneering, it's like Joran is dancing on their graves.”

Even more disturbing, the picture depicts van der Sloot with several “prison friends,” such as Hugo Trujillo “The Clown” Ospina. Ospina is particularly fond of van der Sloot and calls him 'Psychopath' as a nickname.

Experts interviewed for the article say it is likely that Joran van der Sloot traded gay sex for protection from Ospina.

Another great guy in the picture is William Trickett Smith II, an American who has been charged with the murder of his 21-year-old bride Claudia Gomez.

Smith and van der Sloot are both currently in protective custody awaiting trial at the prison.

The treatment they're getting there offended Moss.

“I thought this jail was the 'worst of the worst' in Lima, not some Club Fed where rich creeps can bribe guards for favors,” she said. “Pay them a few bucks and order pizza and beer. How much extra to get hookers?”

$100 bucks a month!  Just ask Anita.  Whatta Mom! ::MonkeyShocked::

Sebastian needs to lose weight.  He's been spoiled and babied just like Joran was IMO. 

.......but he is Anita's chubby little cupcake!

I noticed he has a sport shirt on in lieu of a suit.   

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   More like the whole bakery...

Touche', 2NJ!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

But Roochi looks cute!  Got his hair curled and all. ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   Yes, and a little knee action in the pose.  Very dainty. 

I noticed that!   And he has a lovely silk suit.  Maybe Roochi could pass his hand me downs to Sebastian.
They look about the same size.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

San scanned the Globe for us - thanks San!

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Old Rubberlegs and Tickle Me Tito have aged since 2005.....not to even mention Renfro.

I am surely glad that I have remained the cute young thing I always was. ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_77560.php

Through translator:



Aruba
Parliament evacuated after bomb threat
September 3, 2010, 13:15 (GMT -04:00)
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A sniffer dog searched the parliament just after a bomb threat was received


ORANGE CITY - In three hours yesterday afternoon, the States evacuated after an anonymous report came on a bomb. This happened during the discussion of the amendment of the Kingdom of Staff and a number of days to provide considerable commotion. There is still no one arrested. The Public Prosecutor (OM) said this morning officially nowhere to find.

The public gallery was packed with mostly since Wednesday sympathizers MEP that the addition of Article 27 paragraphs 3 and 4 as undermining the independence of Aruba to see. Among them is former Prime Minister Nelson Oduber. They let a lot of themselves heard. Similarly, this morning during the debate in the so-called second reading after the first reading the amendments were not adopted. Then the required two-thirds more nature missed. At the second reading is now only a simple majority needed to pass laws. Yesterday it still can not vote due to a bomb threat. Authorities took this message seriously, because of the turmoil of recent days and called on parliamentarians and the public directly to the parliament building to leave. A special police team along with a sniffer dog combed the building and its surroundings, but finally found nothing.

This morning, the debate continued in the States. Once again the public gallery filled with continual loud protesting crowd. These requirements include a referendum among the people. The entire MEP group looked to move here again, but finally remained in parliament. Paul Croes States President (AVP) has been determined that spectators who leave the public gallery may no longer return. This is also available for added security and police work easier. This met again to the dismay of opposition party MEP.

The former leader of MEP Ady Thijsen questioned further in a heated argument why until April (for the vote in the House) all groups still oppose the controversial articles of law and had now been for ASF. Juan David Yrausquin MP (ASF) said that the Netherlands already existing Article 51 actually allows for intervention if Aruba does not comply with international treaties. Article 27 paragraph 3 and 4, are unnecessary and in that sense, therefore, no impairment of autonomy, thus Yrausquin. The ASF group had to have voted for the amendment of PDR referral of the articles and the Advisory Council also was positive. "But they said that the amendment was not possible."

Didn't see that one coming!  ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

I can't decide if he looks like Chris Farley or Meatloaf. 

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http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Joran-van-der-Sloot-interviewed-on-Dutch-TV/qXNeNz_dtEC6DbU1XazYsA.cspx


JORAN VAN DER SLOOT INTERVIEW ON DUTCH TV



Birmingham, Al (WIAT)  Joran van der Sloot is still waiting to find out if a three judge panel will throw out his murder confession, but he's been using some of that time to be interviewed by Dutch TV.

According to Radio Netherlands Worldwide, van der Sloot has been interviewed by a Dutch crime reporter, John van den Heuvel, at the infamous high security Miguel Castro Castro prison in the Peruvian capital Lima.

Van der Sloot has confessed to killing 21 year old Peruvian student Stephany Flores but is now waiting word on his appeal to have the confession thrown out claiming it was coerced, he didn't have proper legal representation and he was not given a qualified interpreter.

Flores body was found in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room. In his confession he reportedly told police he killed Flores when she found material relating to Natalee Holloway on his laptop.

Natalee Holloway is the Mountain Brook teen who disappeared on a graduation trip to Aruba. She was last seen with Joran van der Sloot who is still considered the prime suspect in her disappearance. That disappearance was five years to the day that Stephany Flores corpse was discovered in van der Sloot's room.

RNW says Mr van den Heuvel has also interviewed van der Sloot's mother, Anita, who says she will not visit her son if he is convicted.

"Joran speaks" will be broadcast by RTL television on Monday. The television station is not giving any details on the interview.

Experts interviewed for the article say it is likely that Joran van der Sloot traded gay sex for protection from Ospina.

 OH MY ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wonder what happened with this?  I don't think that pertains to the case management hearing delayed until Sept 28.

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Since Satish is married to an Aruban, I think he would only have to apply to the American Embassy
to get a Visa to come and give his deposition.

The judge has ruled that the case can't carry forward in Aruba.

Maybe Janet knows.

It was my understanding that this WAS the deadline for depositions until the special hearing on Aug. 27th to motion that the case be deemed "complex". On the 27th they made a date of Sep 28th to rule on that motion. I guess they will either grant "complex" status or firmly re-set the deposition deadline.
 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

So another down to the deadline request in an attempt to get out of the depositions.  IMO they are delaying the inevitable. ::MonkeyGavel::

Thanks for scanning the Globe article for us San!   ::MonkeyCool::

Video @ link i(n Dutch) w/ van den Heuvel


http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/7551046/__Exclusief_gesprek_met_Joran_van_der_Sloot__.html


The interview was done last week.

Van de Heuvel did the interview with Anita in June. Anita gave him permission to visit Joran (she put him on the visitors' list). He went to Peru in June and had a talk with Joran.  After that he wanted to come back and have an interview on camera. Last week they had the interview, although Joran was having doubts.

He says that Joran makes a few `very remarkable` comments during the interview, but doesnt say what kind of comments.

Last night we had "chata" in the rafters for a long while. ::HelloKitty::

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chata used to post in the Shango thread.  Makes me wonder. ::MonkeyTongue::

Yes, I've found the times that Chata signs in and doesn't post interesting too!   ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.diario.aw/2010/09/un-anochi-di-elegancia-pa-oriana-su-15-ana/

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From the social pages:

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Good to see you rjdeer!    ::MonkeyDance::

Is it Dancing With the Sloots?