Natalee Case Discussion #839 6/14/10 - 6/17/10

[Tamikosmom]

-el comercio peru


Police denies pressure on Van der Sloot to confess crime

An American blog Fow News Agency said Dutchman stamped signature false confession to police pressure
Wednesday June 16, 2010 - 11:50 am

The head of the Homicide Division of the National Police, PNP Colonel Miguel Canlla Ore, said yesterday that the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot (22), accused of the crime of Stephany Ramirez Flores, was never pressured to sign a confession .

"The seven steps taken by the murder were made in the presence of a prosecutor, defense attorney of the citizen Dutchman and the translator appointed by the Embassy of Netherlands in Peru, "said Canlla.

An American blog, the website of the agency Fox News , said that Joran had a signature different from his passport in his confession under pressure from the Peruvian police. "There was no pressure or false signature. It acted in accordance with the law and respect the rights of Joran, referred Canlla


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Gretawire Blog

June 14, 2010 | 10:43 PM ET

Joran's lawyer ..Joran's lawyer told us how Joran tried to fake his signature on his confession.  I took a look at the signature and it looks like his name is 3 letters long (and it is hardly that !)  His lawyer said if you compare to his passport you can see the signature on the confession is very different.  His lawyer was hinting to us that Joran did that to give him some room to deny the confession was made by him or was made under duress.  He will have a hard time with that one...and, as an aside......on the confession, next to his signature is his fingerprint.  The authorities in Aruba make the declarant (here Joran) put his thumbprint next to his signature

http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/jorans-lawyer/

I am not normally a Greta advocate but ... when I read her blog I believe that it is the Peruvian publication that was misleading.

Janet

[jill]

thanks to everyone for the replies re: the alleged phone call(s).

Another question:

has Aruba EVER turned over any of the investigation files to the Holloways?

As the case has been essentially closed, would they not be able to ask for these files and receive them?  (ala McCanns with Portugal)

tia.

[carpe noctem]

trome -

The same sources indicated that the murderer of Stephany and accepts the offered food and was quieter note. Your emotional state would have improved even more after learning his mother, Anita van der Sloot, and be in the country and go to visit him today, taking advantage of women is a day of visits.


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[peachflower]

I have a hard time believing Peru would release him to any other country, until his debt to society is paid in Peru, to allow him to go somewhere else to pay his other crime now would cause riots in Peru in my view.

As per his faked signature... it was his hand holding the pen that set it on the paper in front of witnesses.

[carpe noctem]

-el comercio peru


Police denies pressure on Van der Sloot to confess crime

An American blog Fow News Agency said Dutchman stamped signature false confession to police pressure
Wednesday June 16, 2010 - 11:50 am

The head of the Homicide Division of the National Police, PNP Colonel Miguel Canlla Ore, said yesterday that the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot (22), accused of the crime of Stephany Ramirez Flores, was never pressured to sign a confession .

"The seven steps taken by the murder were made in the presence of a prosecutor, defense attorney of the citizen Dutchman and the translator appointed by the Embassy of Netherlands in Peru, "said Canlla.

An American blog, the website of the agency Fox News , said that Joran had a signature different from his passport in his confession under pressure from the Peruvian police. "There was no pressure or false signature. It acted in accordance with the law and respect the rights of Joran, referred Canlla


http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://elcomercio.pe/&ei=VgMZTOHLHYOC8gavs6X9AQ&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CB8Q7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Del%2Bcomercio%2Bperu%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26rls%3Dig

Gretawire Blog

June 14, 2010 | 10:43 PM ET

Joran's lawyer ..Joran's lawyer told us how Joran tried to fake his signature on his confession.  I took a look at the signature and it looks like his name is 3 letters long (and it is hardly that !)  His lawyer said if you compare to his passport you can see the signature on the confession is very different.  His lawyer was hinting to us that Joran did that to give him some room to deny the confession was made by him or was made under duress.  He will have a hard time with that one...and, as an aside......on the confession, next to his signature is his fingerprint.  The authorities in Aruba make the declarant (here Joran) put his thumbprint next to his signature

http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/jorans-lawyer/

I am not normally a Greta advocate but ... when I read her blog I believe that it is the Peruvian publication that was misleading.

Janet

Greta - is suggesting what might happen in the news today - no longer reporting it. I am done with her. She makes me sick.

[can]

The FBI is still on the island so far as we know.  The FBI is also responsible for the 2 raids performed in the Netherlands shortly after Joran's capture.

I'm taking a hopeful wait and see approach.  I try to be eternally hopeful, though, as I believe in the theory that "what you put on the wheel comes back around" if you know what I mean.

As my hope lessens, your attitude is encouraging Lifesong.  BTW great time line you presented yesterday re Stefany.  I appreciate the massive amount of work you put into it.

I've just been pondering the thought that perhaps "someone" who knows
something, has made their way to one of the several F. B. I. agents on the island.

Justice for Natalee!

I wanted to second the thanks to Lifesong for that timeline!

Can - I share your hope.  Someone who knows going to the FBI (or Tim Miller) is what I'm keeping my fingers crossed for.  As long as they all steer clear of ALE with any info they are given, answers might finally come forth.

Amen Jen.

[Jo-An]

This is on in 1 hour on SBS tv:

Joran van der Sloot: an exclusive report from Peru
Joran van der Sloot on the latest news directly from Peru. The show also contains a reconstruction of the murder of Stephany Flores, on the basis of the released confession of Joran. Also, the heavily guarded Castro Castro prison visit, where Joran is now in custody. An interview with a Dutch journalist, who has been undercover for a week inside the prison walls, explains Castro Castro called hell on earth is named.


I´ll be watching (any other Dutch monkeys watching as well?) and posting some stuff here, if it´s interesting enough, of course!

[Edward]

I have a hard time believing Peru would release him to any other country, until his debt to society is paid in Peru, to allow him to go somewhere else to pay his other crime now would cause riots in Peru in my view.

As per his faked signature... it was his hand holding the pen that set it on the paper in front of witnesses.

His thumb print is also on the document.
That is the real signiture.

[klaasend]

This is on in 1 hour on SBS tv:

Joran van der Sloot: an exclusive report from Peru
Joran van der Sloot on the latest news directly from Peru. The show also contains a reconstruction of the murder of Stephany Flores, on the basis of the released confession of Joran. Also, the heavily guarded Castro Castro prison visit, where Joran is now in custody. An interview with a Dutch journalist, who has been undercover for a week inside the prison walls, explains Castro Castro called hell on earth is named.


I´ll be watching (any other Dutch monkeys watching as well?) and posting some stuff here, if it´s interesting enough, of course!

Thanks Jo-An!

[jill]

-el comercio peru


Police denies pressure on Van der Sloot to confess crime

An American blog Fow News Agency said Dutchman stamped signature false confession to police pressure
Wednesday June 16, 2010 - 11:50 am

The head of the Homicide Division of the National Police, PNP Colonel Miguel Canlla Ore, said yesterday that the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot (22), accused of the crime of Stephany Ramirez Flores, was never pressured to sign a confession .

"The seven steps taken by the murder were made in the presence of a prosecutor, defense attorney of the citizen Dutchman and the translator appointed by the Embassy of Netherlands in Peru, "said Canlla.

An American blog, the website of the agency Fox News , said that Joran had a signature different from his passport in his confession under pressure from the Peruvian police. "There was no pressure or false signature. It acted in accordance with the law and respect the rights of Joran, referred Canlla


http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://elcomercio.pe/&ei=VgMZTOHLHYOC8gavs6X9AQ&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CB8Q7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Del%2Bcomercio%2Bperu%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26rls%3Dig

Gretawire Blog

June 14, 2010 | 10:43 PM ET

Joran's lawyer ..Joran's lawyer told us how Joran tried to fake his signature on his confession.  I took a look at the signature and it looks like his name is 3 letters long (and it is hardly that !)  His lawyer said if you compare to his passport you can see the signature on the confession is very different.  His lawyer was hinting to us that Joran did that to give him some room to deny the confession was made by him or was made under duress.  He will have a hard time with that one...and, as an aside......on the confession, next to his signature is his fingerprint.  The authorities in Aruba make the declarant (here Joran) put his thumbprint next to his signature

http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/jorans-lawyer/

I am not normally a Greta advocate but ... when I read her blog I believe that it is the Peruvian publication that was misleading.

Janet

Greta - is suggesting what might happen in the news today - no longer reporting it. I am done with her. She makes me sick.

x2

[can]

This is on in 1 hour on SBS tv:

Joran van der Sloot: an exclusive report from Peru
Joran van der Sloot on the latest news directly from Peru. The show also contains a reconstruction of the murder of Stephany Flores, on the basis of the released confession of Joran. Also, the heavily guarded Castro Castro prison visit, where Joran is now in custody. An interview with a Dutch journalist, who has been undercover for a week inside the prison walls, explains Castro Castro called hell on earth is named.


I´ll be watching (any other Dutch monkeys watching as well?) and posting some stuff here, if it´s interesting enough, of course!

Thanks Jo-An

[jill]

I have no doubt that he was pressured to confess the crime.  Isn't that the point of interrogation?

But confess he did, and his confession lines up perfectly with the video proof, as well as the evidence he left behind.

My feeling is that the Peruvian officials are much better at interrogation techniques than the Arubans.

[nonesuche]

Thanks Jo-An !

This is the video of Chris Cuomo on The View today:
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/video/chris-cuomo-talks-joran-van-der-sloot-10930374

[cece]

Good morning/afternoon Monkeys.  Sorry if this is a repeat:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/16/peru.murder.case/index.html?eref=rss_mostpopular&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_mostpopular+%28RSS%3A+Most+Popular%29

Van der Sloot questioning not likely until August, Aruba says

Oranjestad, Aruba (CNN) -- Aruban investigators will likely not travel to Peru to question murder suspect Joran van der Sloot until at least the end of August, prosecutor Peter Blanken said Wednesday.

Van der Sloot, who is being held in Peru in connection with the slaying of a 21-year-old student last month, is the lead suspect in the 2005 disappearance in Aruba of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway.

Investigators from Aruba will not be able to question van der Sloot until Peruvian authorities finish their probe of the May 30 slaying of Stephany Flores, Blanken said. The formalities of Peruvian law also will determine the time frame, the prosecutor said.

Aruba also will have to wait to see what information may be contained in a laptop computer Peruvian authorities confiscated when they arrested van der Sloot, Blanken said. The FBI will obtain that information from Peru and then share it with Aruban investigators, Blanken said.

Authorities in Aruba say they do not know whether the computer contains any information that may help in the Holloway case.

Aruban and Peruvian authorities have agreed to "help each other" in the investigations, Aruba government spokesman Taco Stein said Tuesday.


Stein said after a phone conversation with Peruvian Judge Carlos Morales on Tuesday morning that Peruvian authorities have agreed to allow Aruban investigators into Peru to interview van der Sloot once a formal request has been made.

Stein did not indicate when the request would occur but described the conversation as a "positive start."

Holloway's father, Dave Holloway, met with Aruban authorities on the Caribbean island Tuesday and told CNN he believes progress is being made in the investigation. He declined to elaborate further.

Van der Sloot, a 22-year-old Dutch citizen, was arrested twice in Aruba in connection with Holloway's disappearance but released for lack of evidence. Aruba is part of the Netherlands.

He said he was in Peru for a poker tournament and met Flores while gambling.

Police have said they think van der Sloot killed Flores to steal money she won from gambling.

Van der Sloot told authorities he attacked Flores on May 30 after she read an e-mail on his computer connected with the Holloway case.

[Lifesong]

apologize if this has been posted:

"News reports out of Peru and Holland have Joran van der Sloot playing poker behind bars with a Columbian hit man. Police say Van der Sloot confessed last week to killing a 21-year-old Lima student, Stephany Flores, on May 30 in his hotel room after the two met playing poker at a casino.

The poker-behind-bars story originally appeared in a Lima, Peru newspaper, then was reprinted in a paper in The Netherlands. According to NBC news, the source for the Peruvian version of the story was a jailhouse informant. The director of prisons has denied to NBC News that van der Sloot is playing poker in the pokey, saying he has no contact with anyone behind bars. Apparently the Columbian drug lord lives in the prison cell next door to Van der Sloot, and they have chatted, but they don't have access to each other to play poker.

NBC News is also reporting new information about Van der Sloot's confession to the murder of Flores. At end of confession, Van der Sloot told police he wanted to talk about Natalee Holloway. He said if his Peruvian case goes smoothly and quickly, he wants to be extradited to Aruba to help in "solving" the Holloway case."
http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978306105

Thank you, Jill!  I'd heard somewhere this a.m. that they were denying the poker story, but I was working and listening to the news and wasn't sure where I'd heard it.


There's a huge difference between confessing and helping to solve the case.  What I don't understand is why it seems like we aren't playing the propaganda war. 

What I mean is why isn't the FBI planting false news stories to help "encourage" Deepak (just as one example) to come forward with the truth? 

Reporters can keep their sources secret and Joran is locked away - so why aren't we reading about how Joran has confessed that he and Deepak hit her in the head and Clyde Burke and Dompig helped bury the body?  I know I'm probably naive about this, (and Kermit please forgive me)  but sometimes it just feels like we aren't using every tool in our bucket sotaspeak!

JMO

[msmarple]

I am going to attempt, from memory, to explain the mysterious phone call.

IIRC, a young man, Mtn. Brook student who did NOT go on the trip, received an odd phone call. There were NO human voices. (Beth Holloway, a speech therapist, underscored that point.) There were background noises that might have been monkeys or birds, plus wind or movement as a car.

It was at an odd time of the night, and it was the night Natalee went missing.

This fellow thought it might be important in some way.

The call was made from a Florida telephone number. The family to whom the number belonged was interviewed by the FBI. There was child who probably was fooling around with the phone. There was no connection between this family and Natalee.

The call had absolutely nothing to do with Natalee, anyone on the trip, or Aruba. It was just the timing that made it worth checking out.

I know people cling to that phone call, but I can assure you that Beth, Dave, Art Wood, and the FBI dismissed it long ago.

[Jo-An]

Thanks Jo-An !

This is the video of Chris Cuomo on The View today:
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/video/chris-cuomo-talks-joran-van-der-sloot-10930374

Thanks for the video!

[Northern Rose]

Attorney Dutchman Van der Sloot will his defense by death threats

Maximum Highness Imprimir.El Peruvian lawyer, who represents the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, who is accused of killing a student of 21 years, will leave the case when his client's relatives come to Lima because of the death threats he has received, as he told a local newspaper.

"I am an adult, I'm not for that (to withstand the threats)," said Royal Highness told the newspaper La República, after confirming it has received threatening emails.

Van der Sloot is being held in a prison in Lima as the alleged perpetrator of the death of Stephany Flores, daughter of a renowned Peruvian entrepreneur, whom he met in an international poker tournament that was held in Lima in late May.

To disengage completely from the event, HRH, said the newspaper, wait for the families of Van der Sloot, who confessed to the crime, according to the filtrate by the Peruvian police.

The lawyer said he prefers not to abandon the process of violating the peace of his family.

HRH announced that it would request the annulment of the Van der Sloot's confession to police, saying pressure and was forced to sign a statement in Spanish, a language can not read.

However, the head of the homicide division of the Peruvian police, Colonel Miguel Canlla, told the newspaper El Comercio that the seven steps taken by the murder of Stephany Flores "was made in the presence of a prosecutor, defense attorney and the Dutchman the translator appointed by the Netherlands embassy in Peru. "

On the other hand, the press reported that Judge Carlos Morales, head of the Fourth Criminal Court for Prison Inmates in Lima will direct the murder trial, which would last not less than two years, estimated the family's lawyer the victim, Edward Alvarez.

Van der Sloot, who lived some years in Aruba, was linked to the disappearance of an American teenager, Natalee Holloway, five years ago, but could never prove his guilt.

http://www.adn.es/internacional/20100616/NWS-1506-Abogado-Sloot-Van-amenazas-holandes.html

[can]

I am going to attempt, from memory, to explain the mysterious phone call.

IIRC, a young man, Mtn. Brook student who did NOT go on the trip, received an odd phone call. There were NO human voices. (Beth Holloway, a speech therapist, underscored that point.) There were background noises that might have been monkeys or birds, plus wind or movement as a car.

It was at an odd time of the night, and it was the night Natalee went missing.

This fellow thought it might be important in some way.

The call was made from a Florida telephone number. The family to whom the number belonged was interviewed by the FBI. There was child who probably was fooling around with the phone. There was no connection between this family and Natalee.

The call had absolutely nothing to do with Natalee, anyone on the trip, or Aruba. It was just the timing that made it worth checking out.

I know people cling to that phone call, but I can assure you that Beth, Dave, Art Wood, and the FBI dismissed it long ago.

Thanks Ms. Marple for clearing that up.  My mistake in saying the student
was returning from the trip.  Sorry.

[msmarple]

can - no problem; that's the way we all heard it at the time.