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MumInOhio
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February 10, 2008, 12:25:15 PM »
I wonder why they would questions the Diamond's International guy so long after...this is closer to when GVC was arrested.
http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/Statements_timeline.htm
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Quote from: MumInOhio on February 10, 2008, 12:25:15 PM
I wonder why they would questions the Diamond's International guy so long after...this is closer to when GVC was arrested.
http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/Statements_timeline.htm
Is this Booti?
Xiavier Elias Naar
I think that is Boeti's last name...Greta would know. LOL
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February 10, 2008, 03:29:09 PM »
Something else I have wondered...why did they interrogate Freddy in 2006 as a suspect? I was under the impression he was a witness...2005 he was a witness....2006 he was a suspect. hmmmmmm
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February 10, 2008, 05:24:45 PM »
Quote from: MumInOhio on February 10, 2008, 12:25:15 PM
I wonder why they would questions the Diamond's International guy so long after...this is closer to when GVC was arrested.
http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/Statements_timeline.htm
Is this Booti?
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Yes, that is Boeti
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February 11, 2008, 05:22:51 AM »
Quote from: klaasend on February 10, 2008, 05:24:45 PM
Quote from: MumInOhio on February 10, 2008, 12:25:15 PM
I wonder why they would questions the Diamond's International guy so long after...this is closer to when GVC was arrested.
http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/Statements_timeline.htm
Is this Booti?
Xiavier Elias Naar
Yes, that is Boeti
Thanks Klaas...I thought it was. I was looking for the Eli that Lala's mentioned that Deepak talked to at Charlies.
Joran also bought someone a drink that night...may have been from a PV of Satish.
Lala's...******* posted last night that it was a slip by David Kock that Deepak stopped at another bar...did not confirm Choose-a-name.
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Quote from: Lala'sMom on February 10, 2008, 03:29:09 PM
Something else I have wondered...why did they interrogate Freddy in 2006 as a suspect? I was under the impression he was a witness...2005 he was a witness....2006 he was a suspect. hmmmmmm
Lala’s…thanks for reminding of this….we were discussing Freddy’s arrests one night and I came up with …sometime between 6/17 and 6/23, August 2005 arrest with the Kalpoes, Feb. 2006 and the questioning for 6 hours with GVC…from the A.B.
I could not recall where the Feb 2006 came from until you posted the above.
I have since learned that Marianne Croes stated that Freddy was detained from 6/9/2005. IMHO he was a suspect at some point in 2005 by the van der Sloot/Arambatzis in the associations column of the Time Log.
Interesting that GVC and A.B. were bought in only four days after the Dutch re-enactment. A tip maybe….
I’ve been trying to work out if the Discovery Log Timeline is a request for documents from the Natalee Holloway case ONLY or could possibly be requesting statements from other cases.
Very Important… if these documents are from Natalee’s case ONLY then Freddy is clearly a suspect in Natalee’s case…..more than once….
My opinion from the Log and all the other entries….ALL connected to Natalee’s case….which would make Freddy a suspect. (And a protected one at that)
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February 11, 2008, 06:36:19 AM »
From Joran's 8/8 PV...Freddy's relatives....who, what, where?????
The suspect was informed once again of the statements given by his friend Freddy and Freddy’s nearest relatives.
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Quote from: MumInOhio on February 11, 2008, 06:36:19 AM
From Joran's 8/8 PV...Freddy's relatives....who, what, where?????
The suspect was informed once again of the statements given by his friend Freddy and Freddy’s nearest relatives.
Well, Freddy did live just around the corner from Joran. So maybe they were trying to verify Freddy's alibi for that night. Remember he was the first person suggested as the sleep over friend.
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Quote from: Lake Erie Princess on February 06, 2008, 01:01:49 AM
Quote from: NCMike on February 05, 2008, 11:59:59 PM
LaLa,
Suppose JVdS is telling the truth about using the pay phone at the Marriott.
Why use a pay phone? ----- To call your drug dealer?
Who was JVdS drug dealer? ---- Lorenzo?
Joran had a cell phone, or didn't he ?
Fishy story to use the pay phone, unless he did not want the call on record ? Aruba should have records of calls made on their pay phones, I would think ?
I still think that Joran killed Nat at his home, and his Dad helped him dispose of her body.
What a nice surprise! Lake Erie Princess!
I hope all is well with you.
We all still stand with the girl
Lala's -- Mum -- and all. Thanks for the perseverance and not letting the thread get derailed
BB
I agree with your comment about 15 pages back
I read the posts live as they were happening as well. And when you read in context -- no deep research -- quick response. Simian didn't talk in 'code' until confronted by Shango.
And yet they both KNEW what the other was referring to....even though 2.5 years later, we still don't
Sounds like they both used the same 'dictionary'
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Quote from: Lala'sMom on February 11, 2008, 10:15:48 AM
Quote from: MumInOhio on February 11, 2008, 06:36:19 AM
From Joran's 8/8 PV...Freddy's relatives....who, what, where?????
The suspect was informed once again of the statements given by his friend Freddy and Freddy’s nearest relatives.
Well, Freddy did live just around the corner from Joran. So maybe they were trying to verify Freddy's alibi for that night. Remember he was the first person suggested as the sleep over friend.
I see....it was a simple party at his house...he was there the 'whole' time
Saint Alibi....
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February 11, 2008, 11:23:49 AM »
Yes, Mum. That may be the reason to talk to the family too...you would need to make the alibi...so tight...so tight.
Sharon
Concerning the pay phone. Regardless of whether Joran walked up to the Marriott area and used a pay phone or not...we do have records of him using a cell phone that night. He calls Deepak...he makes a call at 2:26 AM near the Mickey D's. So you can't deny that Joran had a cell phone in his possession. He texts Deepak that night.
One thing that would be interesting to know did the cell phone we are just learning about...was that Paulus' cell phone? Or was that just the last number called on that phone? Did we ever find out who's phone it was?
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Quote from: Lala'sMom on February 11, 2008, 11:23:49 AM
Yes, Mum. That may be the reason to talk to the family too...you would need to make the alibi...so tight...so tight.
Sharon
Concerning the pay phone. Regardless of whether Joran walked up to the Marriott area and used a pay phone or not...we do have records of him using a cell phone that night. He calls Deepak...he makes a call at 2:26 AM near the Mickey D's. So you can't deny that Joran had a cell phone in his possession. He texts Deepak that night.
One thing that would be interesting to know did the cell phone we are just learning about...was that Paulus' cell phone? Or was that just the last number called on that phone? Did we ever find out who's phone it was?
I believe it is being checked out....LOL
I believe also it was found up by the lighthouse and just finished reading some PVs....the family eanted to go there that night and Paulus said absolutely NOT and so did Deepak....hmmmm
First paragraph for COLUMBO...
Deepak 6/13
One of the family members said in English to Joran that he was lying/not telling the truth and that they saw Joran and the girl on the videocamera's of the Windham casino earlier that afternoon. Then I asked like if she was missing or that they saw her on the camera.
Then Joran's father got angry and said to the man in English: *You are out of your jurisdiction" (loosely translated by reporting officer: You are outside of you jurisdiction). The police then calmed the situation down. After that the family wanted us to go with the police to show them the route we drove. Joran's father refused. I also said no. After that the police officers said it was nonsense to drive out to the light house at that moment in time.
Sharon
...great to see you
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Quote from: MumInOhio on February 11, 2008, 11:41:01 AM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on February 11, 2008, 11:23:49 AM
Yes, Mum. That may be the reason to talk to the family too...you would need to make the alibi...so tight...so tight.
Sharon
Concerning the pay phone. Regardless of whether Joran walked up to the Marriott area and used a pay phone or not...we do have records of him using a cell phone that night. He calls Deepak...he makes a call at 2:26 AM near the Mickey D's. So you can't deny that Joran had a cell phone in his possession. He texts Deepak that night.
One thing that would be interesting to know did the cell phone we are just learning about...was that Paulus' cell phone? Or was that just the last number called on that phone? Did we ever find out who's phone it was?
I believe it is being checked out....LOL
I believe also it was found up by the lighthouse and just finished reading some PVs....the family eanted to go there that night and Paulus said absolutely NOT and so did Deepak....hmmmm
First paragraph for COLUMBO...
Deepak 6/13
One of the family members said in English to Joran that he was lying/not telling the truth and that they saw Joran and the girl on the videocamera's of the Windham casino earlier that afternoon. Then I asked like if she was missing or that they saw her on the camera.
Then Joran's father got angry and said to the man in English: *You are out of your jurisdiction" (loosely translated by reporting officer: You are outside of you jurisdiction). The police then calmed the situation down. After that the family wanted us to go with the police to show them the route we drove. Joran's father refused. I also said no. After that the police officers said it was nonsense to drive out to the light house at that moment in time.
Sharon
...great to see you
Now I am even more confused about all of it. Thanks for you help! (sarcasm included for free). LOL
I guess what I am wondering is...well, actually I don't even know what I was wanting to know...Let me think about all this. LOL
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Sharon
Sorry, I was rude. Good to see someone besides our normal crew in here. Thanks for the compliment..it is hard to stay on track these days. Come by more often.
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Well I'm wondering if Natalee was somewhere up by that lighthouse at that time, or signs that she had been there. Or maybe as posted early on, the road was too rough for Deepak's car and that would have been obvious from that night. Their lie would have been uncovered right away.
Trying to find info on the Sloots vehicles, as Ks were asked if both Joran and Val drove, bet jeeps could get up by the lighthouse and rocks though...
Lala's...sometimes I confuse myself....LOL...quite often actually!!!
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I have often wondered about this statement made by Satish June 10th. WE now know this is a made up story, but look how Satich is trying to fit the pieces together without success...it's full of holes and lots of errors. Interesting how Satish weaves this story...he was out of the loop.
"I was informed of my rights. I am still going to stand by the statement I made as a witness at the police station in Bubali. I do remember now that
my brother had told me.
Last week Friday my brother told me that the man
Steve had seen us
when we dropped off Natalee Holloway that night at the Holiday Inn Hotel. My brother Deepak told me that Steve had said to him that he had seen us. I myself do not know Steve.
My brother thinks that Steve works at Digicel.
I don't personally know Steve. I have never seen Steve. According to my brother,
Steve had told him that he had dropped off people at the Holiday Inn on Monday May 30th at approximately 01.45 hours.
My brother has also told me that Steve was also in Carlos & Charlies that night. My brother also told me that
Steve had seen us coming out of Carlos & Charlies with the girl Natalee.
On that particular day it was going from Sunday to Monday and it wasn't busy at that moment in time. The traffic wasn't busy either at that moment in time. It was approximately 01.15 hours when we came out of Carlos & Charlies. When we were leaving Carlos & Charlies, we immediately walked towards the car. I think that the girl briefly talked to her friends that were standing in front of Carlos & Charlies. Joran was with her, and I think he too briefly waited for her. According to my brother
Steve was supposed to work that night and he had quietly slipped out to go to Carlos & Charlies.
My brother did not tell to me in
what kind of car Steve drives.
My brother also told me that Steve had also seen that the girl Natalee had fallen down from the car, and that Joran had gone to help her get up. According to me Steve had told my brother that he was
dropping off tourists at the Holiday Inn Hotel
that night. I did not ask my brother what kind of car Steve drives and he also did not tell me that.
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Quote from: Lala'sMom on February 11, 2008, 12:25:26 PM
I have often wondered about this statement made by Satish June 10th. WE now know this is a made up story, but look how Satich is trying to fit the pieces together without success...it's full of holes and lots of errors. Interesting how Satish weaves this story...he was out of the loop.
"I was informed of my rights. I am still going to stand by the statement I made as a witness at the police station in Bubali. I do remember now that
my brother had told me.
Last week Friday my brother told me that the man
Steve had seen us
when we dropped off Natalee Holloway that night at the Holiday Inn Hotel. My brother Deepak told me that Steve had said to him that he had seen us. I myself do not know Steve.
My brother thinks that Steve works at Digicel.
I don't personally know Steve. I have never seen Steve. According to my brother,
Steve had told him that he had dropped off people at the Holiday Inn on Monday May 30th at approximately 01.45 hours.
My brother has also told me that Steve was also in Carlos & Charlies that night. My brother also told me that
Steve had seen us coming out of Carlos & Charlies with the girl Natalee.
On that particular day it was going from Sunday to Monday and it wasn't busy at that moment in time. The traffic wasn't busy either at that moment in time. It was approximately 01.15 hours when we came out of Carlos & Charlies. When we were leaving Carlos & Charlies, we immediately walked towards the car. I think that the girl briefly talked to her friends that were standing in front of Carlos & Charlies. Joran was with her, and I think he too briefly waited for her. According to my brother
Steve was supposed to work that night and he had quietly slipped out to go to Carlos & Charlies.
My brother did not tell to me in
what kind of car Steve drives.
My brother also told me that Steve had also seen that the girl Natalee had fallen down from the car, and that Joran had gone to help her get up. According to me Steve had told my brother that he was
dropping off tourists at the Holiday Inn Hotel
that night. I did not ask my brother what kind of car Steve drives and he also did not tell me that.
I do recall some posts early and the links don't work anymore that in fact Satish was a friend on Steve Croes' tickle site. My early impressions of Steve's arrest was that he was brought in to keep him quiet about who was really at Charlies that night.
Flame me, but I've always thought one of the Kalpoes less guilty, and thought it was Satish based on the timelines of the very early PVs...I think Freddy switched places....
Trying to find 'another car'....have you seen pictures of the Sloots blue jeep? TIA
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Quote from: MumInOhio on February 11, 2008, 06:36:19 AM
From Joran's 8/8 PV...Freddy's relatives....who, what, where?????
The suspect was informed once again of the statements given by his friend Freddy and Freddy’s nearest relatives.
Freddy's first alibi was that he was on Curacao at a famly reunion
& his relative's backed him up on this lie.
Boeti...Exactly what did he claim to see again?
Looked like he was looking for $ for his info...
Maybe they should have looked beyond his addictions.
He just nay have seen something!
He WAS in the RIGHT place at the right time.....
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This from CNN when GVC and A.B. were questioned..hmmm...
GOLDBAND: I`ll abstain from comment on that one Nancy. Geoffrey von Cromvoirt, he of course, caught the 15th of this month, set free on the 24th and, of course, now this new person, we don`t have a photo of this person, Nancy, all we have are two initials and now just realized three hours ago, these are the right initials, A.B., six hours is how long this person was held for.
GRACE: Back to Jossy Mansur, the director and editor of "Diario Magazine." Jossy you`re there on the scene. What possible connection was there between A.B., the last catch and release and the investigation of Natalee Holloway?
MANSUR: You know, I can`t imagine what kind of connection it could have. I know that this person that they`ve arrested and questioned for six hours has a Web site in which he appears, in which you`ll find pictures of Joran and many other girls. Maybe there is some kind of a connection that the police want to know or the prosecution as to what degree does he know these people and what would he know about the Holloway case itself?
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/24/ng.01.html
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IMHO I think when J2K say the "lighthouse" they are really meaning Arashi Beach...Which was probably one stop they made after leaving Joran's apt. while looking for THE party...A.B. and GVC (& Guido?) would have been there.
Next stop...Moomba Bar/beach where "something bad happens"....Where Paulus shows up to "take care of things"...I doubt Joran really knows what happened after that.
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=====> Caylee Marie Anthony Murder Trial Archives
===> Sierra Lamar, 15yrs old, Morgan Hill, CA Missing Since March 16, 2012
===> JO ANN (JODIE) BAIN AND 3 DAUGHTERS MISSING 4/27/2012(2 murdered 2 safe)
===> Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6 yrs old missing 4/21/12 Tucson, AZ (Body Found)
===> Jennifer Kesse - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Susan Powell 28yrs old, missing 12/6/09 West Valley City, Utah
===> Michelle Loree Parker, Last Seen 11/17/11, Orlando, FL
===> Celina Cass, 11yrs old missing 7/25/11 New Hampshire
===> Aliayah Lunsford, 3yrs old, Weston, West VA, missing since 9/24/2011
===> Lisa Irwin, 10mo old missing since 10/4/2011 KC, MO
===> Robyn Gardner missing in Aruba August 2, 2011
=> Missing Persons - High Profile - Archives
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Virginia Area Missing and Murdered - possible connections
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=> Morgan Dana Harrington, 20yrs missing VA Tech 10/17/09(BODY FOUND)
=> Hannah Elizabeth Graham missing since 9/13/14 Charlottesville, VA
=> Alexis Murphy, missing since 8/3/13 Charlottesville, VA
=> Samantha Ann Clarke 19yrs. old Orange Va. Last seen 09/13/10
=> Dashad Sage Smith missing since 11/20/12 Charlottesville, VA
=> Cassandra Morton 23, Lynchburg, missing 10/10/09 body found 11/29/09
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High Profile Crimes and Trials (not missing persons)
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=> Jodi Arias trial - for the murder of Travis Alexander
=> Trial of George Zimmerman - 2nd Degree Murder of 17yr old Trayvon Martin
=> Scott Peterson Appeal of Murder Conviction
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Missing, Exploited and True Crime
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=> Missing Exploited and True Crime
===> Missing Persons Forum
=====> Missing Found or Presumed Deceased
=====> Missing Found Safe
=====> Missing Endangered Runaways
=====> Resourses, Search Groups and Fundraisers
===> Crimes Against Children, Elderly and the Disabled
===> Crimes of Passion/Anger
===> Serial Killers and Their Possible Victims
===> Unsolved Crimes
=====> Finally Solved
===> Haleigh Marie Cummings - Florida
===> Adji Desir - Florida
===> Somer Renee Thompson 7 yo, Orange Park FL 10/19/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
===> Joran Statements/PV's
===> Paulus Statements/PV's
===> Deepak Statements/PV's
===> Satish Statements/PV's
===> Misc Statements/PV's
=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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Current Events and Musings
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
===> Movies and Television
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===> Books
===> Scared Monkeys Radio with Dana Pretzer
=> Health and Medical Issues
=> Food and Product Recalls
=> News of the Day
=> Business News
=> Sports
=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
===> Fashion & Decorating
===> What's Cooking? Recipes
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=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
=> Chit Chat
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