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Quote from: "Peaches"
BT, did you have their wonderful meatloaf in my honor?
Just kidding! I know whatever you had, it was fabulous. I always go there when I'm in Chattanooga.
No meatloaf, but it was good.
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Good Morning Monkeys.
Anna
posted this on the Murder & Crime on Aruba thread, 9/5.
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... look what we have started? They are terrified as well they should be. This is from the RU forum yesterday. At least someone is paying VERY close attention to our efforts --
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Glenda Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:06 am
In their minds, they don't need a contract to sue. Their plan is to sue Aruba for False advertising, even to go as far to say there was not even a small print disclosure at the bottom of the brochure.
They intend to prove the Aruba is dangerous, full of preditors, drug dealers, cooruption, no laws etc.. They think with Full disclosure, they can pull this off. They do not want the docs to find Natalee, they want them as evidence to sue Aruba.
Glenda Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:46 am
Who'd ever thought you win a lawsuit after spilling hot coffee on yourself!
I think now days you can even sue Disney if an employee smiles at you crooked.
They want to take Aruba down!!! Remember how Beth was mad at everything Dutch, she hated the Dutch more than Aruba for a while. Now she is applauding them. Why? Because she is hoping they will come in and expose the "cover-up and corruption" that she needs to use in her lawsuit of "seedy" island of Aruba.
Whether it is valid or not, (she has already proven that validity is not important) she will be able to find a lawyer to file it, get more TV time and continue to CRUSH Aruba with her verbal media strike against Aruba. In turn, promoting her "safe travel foundation". She can ask anyone and everyone who ever had a bad trip to Aruba to sign affidavits to help her. She can leak them to the press!
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September 07, 2006, 10:28:38 AM »
GMA message board has Medleyrelay posting as herself and Viassa. How do I know? Compare:
Medley says:
You are absolutley 1000% wrong -- Paul van der Sloot is NOT on that casino tape.
Viassa says:
Don't fret -- the police have investigated the entire tape
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The use of the double dash - - in back to back postings. Plus the exact same subject matter with the same arguments.
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Quote from: "Leslie"
GMA message board has Medleyrelay posting as herself and Viassa. How do I know? Compare:
Medley says:
You are absolutley 1000% wrong -- Paul van der Sloot is NOT on that casino tape.
Viassa says:
Don't fret -- the police have investigated the entire tape
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The use of the double dash - - in back to back postings. Plus the exact same subject matter with the same arguments.
Don't tell her you know
She thinks like the people in charge in Aruba that we are all dumb and we won't notice. She's an idiot.
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I did tell her that she has been caught using multiple names but her many posts are keeping the topic in the top 10 on the GMA message board. Thank you Medleyrelay -- Viassa -- and others.
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Glenda Posted at RU: Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:06 am
"Aruba is dangerous, full of preditors, drug dealers, cooruption, no laws etc."
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SCOOP finally got something right!
Will wonder ever cease?
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Sue
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Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Glenda Posted at RU: Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:06 am
"Aruba is dangerous, full of preditors, drug dealers, cooruption, no laws etc."
~~~~~
SCOOP finally got something right!
Will wonder ever cease?
Well atleast someone finally got that right, worthless island
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I don't mean to contradict anyone about the site meter but I have been following it since the board went down last summer --- what was it, about the time of Katrina? I have 300+ different ISPs from the Netherlands that I have saved in a file. So if you have only started watching the site meter, let me tell you --- not only is it the Netherlands but check the British and German ones as well. Sister countries, sister ISPs.
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False Advertising
False claims made in advertising, whether intentional or not, have the potential to bankrupt even major corporations, and is why "advertising" and many other forms of corporate communications are legally reviewed prior to public release. In fact, many companies insist on multiple legal reviews and risk assessments prior to releasing certain claims to the public. Entire process is heavily reviewed and regulated by the US Government, under aegis of the FTC.
To provide potenial scale of fines levied, depending on false claim made, advertiser could be liable for fines based on EACH INSTANCE OF APPEARANCE: so for example, if a print ad is subject, and circulation in daily newspaper of say 1,000,000 (like the New York Times), then fine levied is multiplied by a factor of 1,000,000. If same ad appears in multiple newspapers, fine is factored up in correlation to published circulations. For television, audience factoring is also used, based on Nielson ratings and audience counts. And so on for each of the different media distribution outlets.
As an example: airlines which advertise lower fares incorrectly. In almost all cases, airlines elect to accept fare errors in advertising by selling the seats at the published rate, rather than engaging process for wrong fare published and advertised, as potential fine cost is far greater than the revenue lost by selling seats too low.
Another example: tobacco advertising. Incorrect Surgeon General warning statements appearing in ads are subject to $10,000 fine PER INSTANCE. This type of error could easily run into the hundreds of $millions if full fines were levied.
On the the old Loco Stefy & Mill Resort thread, I had brought this very point forward re: the Holiday Inn Sunspree's advertising claims and what was said on their website re: "family vacations", etc. As the place where Natalee was staying, and bearing a certain amout of responsibility for their guests safety, I stated that HI, and their corporate parent, IHG, shoudl be very careful re: advertising claims amde on a go-forward basis. This same point would naturally apply to other hotels and to the Aruban GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS, promoting tourism under their OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT CHARTERS.
With all of the obvious law breaking (underage drinking that goes unchecked by law enforcement, under age gambling that goes unchecked by law enforcement, abysmal official search and recovery efforts -- which required HT Family recruited manpower to execute --, clear cases of predatory behavior w/ photo records of previous engagements, and so much more), I believe Aruba could be in an extremely vulnerable position in a civil case citing false advertising, and further exposed to the financial requirements for reparations made to those harmed by this country's very poor management of their basic civic duties exposed so disastrously in the Natalee Holloway case.
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Wait --- meant to say -- 300-400 saves with some different and some same ISPs. I think they are using Internet Cafe - there are still ISPs from NL when Joran is in Aruba. I expect GVC, Guido, et al, have observed and I do have some from the Hague, etc.
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Add your thoughts to the discussion:
GMA message board.
http://forums.go.com/abcnews/GMA/forum?start=0&forumID=7
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Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Glenda Posted at RU: Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:06 am
"Aruba is dangerous, full of preditors, drug dealers, cooruption, no laws etc."
~~~~~
SCOOP finally got something right!
Will wonder ever cease?
SF - you make me laugh out loud and now everyone is looking at me weird!
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Good Morning, Coffee and Donuts , you all work so hard you need to keep up your energy
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September 07, 2006, 11:05:19 AM »
Leslie, you are doing fine on your own. I can't argue with the psychotic. I just don't have enough pain meds for that kind of activity. Medley is a lunatic. Because her beloved "Paul" said it is not him in the casino video, therefore, it is not him. Wrong. I have two eyes. It's the big sweaty failed judge himself or his freaking twin. Maybe she's twins....Medley and Viassa... must be fraternal twins....sharing a brain. I have read all 7 pages and your comments are the only ones that make any sense at all. You go, girl.
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BIG HAMMER,
Thank you for that information concerning false advertising and the method for counting the number of offenses, etc.
The main reason MsMarple and I are going with a more general crime rate versus the one promulgated by AHATA and the Aruban Government is that I fear a single corporation such as the HI would find some wiggle room. For example, I understand the Excelsior Casino is a totally separate operation with different (supposedly but I doubt it in fact) ownership. This way they can distance themselves from offenses committed in the casino which we know is owned by the infamous mob boss Posner.
Technically I think Natalee was drugged at C&C according to what Dennis Jacobs told her father by way of warning him to watch his drink because they drug them there--an incriminating statement if ever I heard one. Would it not be his job to put and end to this practice?
And the ridiculous claim which we started off with of one murder in the last twenty years was being presented to a group of travel agents. Now who would be doing such a thing if not AHATA? And it is AHATA that produces much of the advertising, has spokespersons, etc. so they are the ones promoting the concept of a crime-free island in concert with the Aruban government. The government issues false statements concerning the crime rate and the tourism industry has to know better but runs with the false numbers.
I see it as generalized and widespread throughout the entire tourist industry and with the individual resorts guilty to a greater or lesser degree depending on what actually happens there but on the whole it is the bigger picture of deceit in reporting the crime statistics for the murder rate would appear to be slightly higher than that of this country, certainly not what we have been led to believe would be the case.
And perhaps if a suit were brought on behalf of Natalee's parents for their loss as a result of this, it would also prevent others from going there unsuspecting and also might even prompt our own Department of State to look into the matter of false reporting of crime.
Well, it's just a thought but certainly seems possible. . . .and thanks to all who have contributed to the count thus far. BOLO for all violent crimes especially murder as we compile this list of names, dates and places. It is painting a very different image than the one portrayed and could in the end leave many exposed to liability for their actions from travel agents to the resorts to AHATA to the Aruban government as a whole.
The recent judgment against the Government of Aruba for $19 million in regard to the race track was VERY encouraging and goes to the fact that this was brought in this country so it is possible to sue and win from here. No friends of Paulus in that verdict.
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Hi everyone! So Dave is going to be on Dana this weekend? Have we heard anything from JQK lately?
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Does anyone know if Larry Garrison was on GMA this morning?
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good morning all! I'm on vacation and after having had a terrible time getting this lappie online, I am now able to lurk and post
Everyone is doing such a great job and MsMarple and Anna have outdone themselves...I'm heartened to hear that someone is talking in the case...I just hope that it is true...
How do we know that any of the pimps have moved to the U.S.?
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Quote from: "Sue"
Does anyone know if Larry Garrison was on GMA this morning?
Yes Sue - a couple of pages back is a few comments on it. There is supposed to be someone involved in the case that has come forward and is telling everything they know.. very interesting!!!!
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Kimmy53,
Was this on tv, news paper or blog that someone is talking and telling everything they know?
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