Lively Case Discussion #601 4/15 - 4/17/2007

[klaasend]

Patti - did you see the PHOTO EVALUATION thread?  It's stickied just below this thread.  Sleuth posted some stuff there for you.  She's still working on it.

[adoronron]

Lala's - the courts are looking at "wire tap" evidence.  I suppose if PVDS was talking to someone about it he could have known his phone was tapped and was lying.  How will we know?

Thanks Klass for the link.

By wire tapped you mean phone tapped?

Ane everyone is sure it's tapped information, not taped as in taped conversation?
And I guess none of us know when the date of the tapped/taped conversation took place, correct?

I can't find in the link you sent me much information on the ATM visit. Only that PVS was told they have tapped information on him. I really am interested on what evidence there is about the ATM stop.

Ado

Yes, the phone was tapped.  I haven't seen real evidence on the ATM transaction.  There may be some and I haven't seen it.

Klaas,

It looks like the only mention of a 4 AM ATM visit is someone saying that 2 MB kids claimed they saw Paulus, Joran, and Natalee in a jeep at the ATM at 4.

It was discussed here back around Feb 14th in the 584 postings IIRC.

Ado

[klaasend]

adoronron - correct on the ATM.  We don't have anything really but internet rumors as far as I know.

Early in the case there were some posters that were "posing" as MB kids that really weren't.  Some of the things posted by some people claiming to be from MB may or may not be true.  Until I see it in a PV or a declaration from ALE or that Beth and Dave have factual knowledge about it, I take it as rumor.

[Patti]

Patti - did you see the PHOTO EVALUATION thread?  It's stickied just below this thread.  Sleuth posted some stuff there for you.  She's still working on it.

Thanks, Klaas....

That's why I've been checking in and out.

I wasn't aware of the thread.

(Fingers crossed).... (And TOES, too.)

[Angiex911dsptchr]

OT
 But then again.. when arn't I ? lol

I belong to a support group online.  Its for the vocal cord problem BS.
 Anyhow every Sunday they meet online in a private chat for an hour. I really have nto been able to make it lately due to work. So there are a few new members. i went today since I was able to for a change.
  One of the members was talking about how she just went to Holland over Easter. Another member said OMG why would you go there after all thats been going on with the girl thats missing from Aruba.
 I almost fell off my chair here.  I spoke up and said I have followed the case as well.  Well this lady was sticking up for Aruba, and Holland and going on and on about corrupt govt's elsewhere. I asked her what exactly did she know about the case? I left a link for SM there and a link to the document threads.. said read it and weep and left.
  I had to leave , she was saying we don't like dutch?  I said thats not it at all. Could not make her get it. So I hope she reads the links I sent to her.
 It was just weird to be in that chat and have her go off about the case?
 

[klaasend]

OT
 But then again.. when arn't I ? lol

I belong to a support group online.  Its for the vocal cord problem BS.
 Anyhow every Sunday they meet online in a private chat for an hour. I really have nto been able to make it lately due to work. So there are a few new members. i went today since I was able to for a change.
  One of the members was talking about how she just went to Holland over Easter. Another member said OMG why would you go there after all thats been going on with the girl thats missing from Aruba.
 I almost fell off my chair here.  I spoke up and said I have followed the case as well.  Well this lady was sticking up for Aruba, and Holland and going on and on about corrupt govt's elsewhere. I asked her what exactly did she know about the case? I left a link for SM there and a link to the document threads.. said read it and weep and left.
  I had to leave , she was saying we don't like dutch?  I said thats not it at all. Could not make her get it. So I hope she reads the links I sent to her.
 It was just weird to be in that chat and have her go off about the case?
 

No kidding!  If you wanted that kind of argument you could just go post at RU, LOL  

[Angiex911dsptchr]

OT
 But then again.. when arn't I ? lol

I belong to a support group online.  Its for the vocal cord problem BS.
 Anyhow every Sunday they meet online in a private chat for an hour. I really have nto been able to make it lately due to work. So there are a few new members. i went today since I was able to for a change.
  One of the members was talking about how she just went to Holland over Easter. Another member said OMG why would you go there after all thats been going on with the girl thats missing from Aruba.
 I almost fell off my chair here.  I spoke up and said I have followed the case as well.  Well this lady was sticking up for Aruba, and Holland and going on and on about corrupt govt's elsewhere. I asked her what exactly did she know about the case? I left a link for SM there and a link to the document threads.. said read it and weep and left.
  I had to leave , she was saying we don't like dutch?  I said thats not it at all. Could not make her get it. So I hope she reads the links I sent to her.
 It was just weird to be in that chat and have her go off about the case?
 

No kidding!  If you wanted that kind of argument you could just go post at RU, LOL  

 ROFL Klaas..
  This chat is about how others are coping with their vocal problems.. and it was all going fine til she mentions going to Holland?  Only myself and the other lady knew what she was talking about, others were like HUH?  lol
 I hope she reads the links I dropped , perhaps she will change her mind.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Even if she does look.. maybe the others will take a gander too.

[Patti]

Klaas:

There was, I assume a picture that was posted by Sleuth about which
she asked, "is this young lady or an old woman".... do you have a copy
of it?

Can you post it, here, or repost it there?   I would like to see it.

[Patti]

Even if she does look.. maybe the others will take a gander too.

Good Job, Angie!!!!

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Even if she does look.. maybe the others will take a gander too.

Good Job, Angie!!!!

 LOL Patti..
  Well I at LEAST hope the witchy woman that went to Holland looks at Sm at least. The other lady I am sure she will.. since she brought it up first.

[klaasend]

Klaas:

There was, I assume a picture that was posted by Sleuth about which
she asked, "is this young lady or an old woman".... do you have a copy
of it?

Can you post it, here, or repost it there?   I would like to see it.

It's still in that thread.  Here it is.  It's an illusion photo:

[San]

OT
 But then again.. when arn't I ? lol

I belong to a support group online.  Its for the vocal cord problem BS.
 Anyhow every Sunday they meet online in a private chat for an hour. I really have nto been able to make it lately due to work. So there are a few new members. i went today since I was able to for a change.
  One of the members was talking about how she just went to Holland over Easter. Another member said OMG why would you go there after all thats been going on with the girl thats missing from Aruba.
 I almost fell off my chair here.  I spoke up and said I have followed the case as well.  Well this lady was sticking up for Aruba, and Holland and going on and on about corrupt govt's elsewhere. I asked her what exactly did she know about the case? I left a link for SM there and a link to the document threads.. said read it and weep and left.
  I had to leave , she was saying we don't like dutch?  I said thats not it at all. Could not make her get it. So I hope she reads the links I sent to her.
 It was just weird to be in that chat and have her go off about the case?
 

 

She is probably still weeping

[Patti]

Klaas:

There was, I assume a picture that was posted by Sleuth about which
she asked, "is this young lady or an old woman".... do you have a copy
of it?

Can you post it, here, or repost it there?   I would like to see it.

It's still in that thread.  Here it is.  It's an illusion photo:

Maybe I'm missing something here.... All I see is an X - am I supposed
to open something?  If so, how?

Also.... what is an illusion photo?

[Angiex911dsptchr]

 San

[Patti]

Klaas:

There was, I assume a picture that was posted by Sleuth about which
she asked, "is this young lady or an old woman".... do you have a copy
of it?

Can you post it, here, or repost it there?   I would like to see it.

It's still in that thread.  Here it is.  It's an illusion photo:

I don't get it....

Why would she have asked if it were a young or old woman?

(I assume that if we ever, really, see a good picture of the body at the
rocks, there will be some wrinkling of the skin... as well as slippage)

At this point, I am quite confused... is it that you don't want the picture
viewed?

[klaasend]

Sleuth removed the links in the previous thread.  I don't want to start the same argument in this thread.  I think Sleuth was just pointing out we can see different things in photos.

[Patti]

I don't want to argue, either....

But, one of the reasons for her being here in the first place was to take
a look at the video and determine if there is a body in the bushes and
rocks that are behind the painter.

I know what I see, and I know in my heart that what I am seeing is
real.  That was the purpose of taking a closer look in the first place.

I hope that she will continue in her evaluation, and I hope that she
will confirm one way or the other, as it is a key part of the cover-up
and can be beneficial to the family... isn't that why we are ALL here?

This IS the sort of thing that could get the investigation back up and
running again.... to who's benefit would it be to NOT allow such infor-
mation to be confirmed?

[Angiex911dsptchr]

I am already sick  but am traumatized and sicker yet    
  Friends of hubby and mine have a 23 yr old son.  He sends an IM every so often and asks how my daughter and step daughter are.
 So he send sme an IM a little bit ago.. asks the same.. then proceeds to say I have a cool video to send I said ok.. , thinking its gonna be in email and I would forward on to the girls.. he dont have their email addy.
  Umm.. so on IM he sends it. I hit accept.. hes dancing.. then all of a sudden he whips it out    I hit close.. told him his butt is gonna be in big time trouble. He says I have a crush on you?  
 OMG I wanna throw up. I am old enough to be this kids mother for God sakes.
  Do I call his mother and tell her what he did?  
 I am so grossed out.

[BTgirl]

I am already sick  but am traumatized and sicker yet    
  Friends of hubby and mine have a 23 yr old son.  He sends an IM every so often and asks how my daughter and step daughter are.
 So he send sme an IM a little bit ago.. asks the same.. then proceeds to say I have a cool video to send I said ok.. , thinking its gonna be in email and I would forward on to the girls.. he dont have their email addy.
  Umm.. so on IM he sends it. I hit accept.. hes dancing.. then all of a sudden he whips it out    I hit close.. told him his butt is gonna be in big time trouble. He says I have a crush on you?  
 OMG I wanna throw up. I am old enough to be this kids mother for God sakes.
  Do I call his mother and tell her what he did?  
 I am so grossed out.

Angie - Do you think he's high on something? I can't think any other reason why he would behave in such an outrageous way to a friend of his parents. He can't be thinking straight or he would realize how much trouble he could be in.