Haleigh Marie Cummings #8 3/18/09 - 3/23/09

[higherhopes]

Finally,  heres a video about that van that LE took...............this  is very interesting!!!!

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/031809_haleigh_van_questions

I did tyhis exact same thing to my brothers truck window about two months ago when I was trying to turn around on a dirt road and backed into the woods on the side road, the scratches from the bushes was right about in the same place too!!!!!!

[minnie]

Finally,  heres a video about that van that LE took...............this  is very interesting!!!!

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/031809_haleigh_van_questions

So, who is the family member.  Has anyone heard this before.  Is it the cousin?

[Jerseygirl345]

Finally,  heres a video about that van that LE took...............this  is very interesting!!!!

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/031809_haleigh_van_questions

That is interesting..  Who's van was this? Got alittle confused who it belong to

[higherhopes]

Finally,  heres a video about that van that LE took...............this  is very interesting!!!!

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/031809_haleigh_van_questions

So, who is the family member.  Has anyone heard this before.  Is it the cousin?

Yep, its the cousin that she is talking about, but that still doesnt mean that Mistie didnt put those scratches there and is just playing dumb!!!!

[moonmonkey]

My email has been inundated lately by DV victims as I said last night and their desire to help in any way possible, this one gave me ger permission to use and maybe NG should read more of these stories from all our courageous Monkeys who have been DV victims themselves and ae far more compassionate:

I don't talk with people about this a lot, but I have lost custody of one of my children to her father, I have had to deal with not being able to talk to my DD and having to deal DD's step-monster from hell. My DD's father only wanted control over her and me. My DD is a pawn and they have controlled all contact, communication, recorded phone calls, I have had a restraining order on both of them, and haven't seen my DD in over a year now. I can see this same situation in Crystal...I am sorry but I do NOT agree with those that say Mother's don't lose their rights for nothing. I lost bc my children had medicaid and I didn't have a job and became preggo while going thru the custody battle. He had a job, insurance, was married (after his wife got preggo b4 they got married), and owned his own home. I had an attorney that I only was able to pay 1,000 to represent me and once the money was gone so was she and the last thing she said was give her to him, u can have more later :O who does that! So I can completely understand how Crystal felt/feels. I have lived it as well. It's a terrible place to be. He has been physically abusive to me and I believe our DD but any calls put into DFACS become 'retaliation claims' tho I have been investigated many times bc he has called, it got so bad they stopped sending 'investigators' and started sending 'interviewers' bc of his false reports/claims. Sorry I got off on a tangent, but I feel for this family and will help ANY WAY I CAN. I can't help financially but I will help with the resources I have and with my time and effort

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IM Monkey Hugs to You....

Again, I have been told I could write many lifetime movies of the week with what I endured...it was that insane, and yes I too lost my kids at one point due to the insanity, but i fought it tooth and nail the whole time. My voice was heard. I guess maybe I was just different. When I came out of the what I call "control fog" I found strength and fought. I just don't understand this was YEARS and is only coming out when publicity seeking lawyers are around. WHY did she never seek this before??????? THAT is my question.

Hiding behind abuse doesn't wash with me because I lived it. If you are abused you do...well at least me...until it is set straight. You don't wait until a daughter disappears and lawyers show up in front of cameras. I don't know I could be wrong, but I just have trouble buying it.

[Sleepless in Florida]

I will put this out there. Don't know if anyone will believe it but it is real life.  I have a niece who lived through an abusive relationship/marriage.  They were married almost 20 years.  During that time he (as far as I know) did not hit her/beat her but he did verbally abuse her.  Calling her fat, dumb, stupid etc etc.  This went on for 20 years of his constantly day-in, day out doing this to her.  He was a druggie, she knew it, but subjected her daughter and his son (by another marriage) to all this happening around them.  She just never knew what to do and how to go about doing it.  He had broken her years before.  She finally got a divorce.  He took her to the cleaners, raked up expensive toys and she is stuck paying for it.  Why?  because he had convinced her years before that EVERYTHING is her fault and she believed him.She refused to fight him in court because she had no self-respect for herself.  It was all her fault.  They are now divorced but he still intimidates her.  Why?  because they do have a daughter together.  A restraining order does no good.  She has remarried and her husband is as good as gold to her.  But to this day she cannon make decisions on her own because she has no self respect for herself. Why?  because her former husband beat her down years before.  I am concerned for her. I told her mother that just 2 weeks ago.  Her mother told me she cannot understand why she will not take a stand against him and move on with her life.  I told her it will take lots of time (and she should get her in counseling now to overcome this).  Things are not always how they appear.  Chrystal is those childrens mother.  I see my niece in Chrystal.  I also see her former husband in Ronald.  I also see a very very immature child that was playing serious mind games using those kids and Ron and Chrystal against each other for her benefit. 

Just remember things have answers if you just look for them.  Please think about this.

I agree completely with this because I was verbally abused and physically abused in my first marriage. It damages you permanently. I dealt with it for 7 years until I decided either I was going to end it all, or leave. I left because I had two kids. To this day he still torments me any way he can even though I have a protective husband now.

Verbal abuse and someone destroying your self esteem is something you can never get over, plus it has a tendency to desensitize you as well.

I totally agree with both of you.  I have been there and it does beat you down til you have no will to fight and/or make decisions, cause someone has always made the decisions for you.  The only way for me was to get out but it has continued to affected me.  I can see this in Crystal and it breaks my heart.  Justice for Haleigh!!

I am incredibly torn on this one, because I came from an abusive relationship.

1.  I fought tooth and stone from day one without my husband ever touching my kids just based on my own abuse I ensured there would be no abuse on kids. She claimed she was abused all of the time but since the kids were not hurt while she was around she did nothing. I don't understand that. I was in fear and my fear went right to my kids so I ensured my kids were protected as well.

I got a restraining order for the kids and myself....she says the courts chose him for custody after her claims of abuse, so...this. just isn't washing with what I experienced

2. I understand the psych with an abusive relationship because I lived it. They make you look crazy even when you are not so I understand IF abuse happened that she had the fear and the feeling of loss because of feeling like no one believes you because you have been made to sound insane...it is almost like the more you fight the more crazy you sound. But again....I fought it the whole time...until the reality was realized. With this case, what bothers me is none of this came up until now when lawyers are jumping to get their names in the paper. I am having a real hard time buying it as a person that came from it. Maybe my situation was different I don't know.

What I do know is I despise people that throw abuse out for custody cases when it isn't true, because it really hurts those where it is real. I just really feel this isn't real and another case which will then add to difficulties for those that are and THAT upsets me.

If it is proven true I will eat all I have said, because I want anyone who is trying to beat abuse to beat it. I just feel really strongly about this sort of accusation because like many things, the few can hurt the many. So I guess I am just more cautious than most.

Like you, I got out of an abusive marriage and made sure my kids were protected from their father. But I also understand that not everyone is alike. Some women lack the resources, support network, and strength to fight. I have worked with other abused women that have been beaten down starting in childhood and they just lack the inner strength and confidence to fight these bastards. It doesn't mean I am a better person or a better mother than them. It often just means they have been broken by life, and I fortunately,  still had some fight left in me.

[minnie]

Barbara Walters showed video of her lil dog saying I love you.. it wasamazing.. I have 2 cats that meow back to me.. 

OT what kind of dog does she have.  I have heard of the little terriers talking or miming.

[islandmonkey]

My email has been inundated lately by DV victims as I said last night and their desire to help in any way possible, this one gave me ger permission to use and maybe NG should read more of these stories from all our courageous Monkeys who have been DV victims themselves and ae far more compassionate:

I don't talk with people about this a lot, but I have lost custody of one of my children to her father, I have had to deal with not being able to talk to my DD and having to deal DD's step-monster from hell. My DD's father only wanted control over her and me. My DD is a pawn and they have controlled all contact, communication, recorded phone calls, I have had a restraining order on both of them, and haven't seen my DD in over a year now. I can see this same situation in Crystal...I am sorry but I do NOT agree with those that say Mother's don't lose their rights for nothing. I lost bc my children had medicaid and I didn't have a job and became preggo while going thru the custody battle. He had a job, insurance, was married (after his wife got preggo b4 they got married), and owned his own home. I had an attorney that I only was able to pay 1,000 to represent me and once the money was gone so was she and the last thing she said was give her to him, u can have more later :O who does that! So I can completely understand how Crystal felt/feels. I have lived it as well. It's a terrible place to be. He has been physically abusive to me and I believe our DD but any calls put into DFACS become 'retaliation claims' tho I have been investigated many times bc he has called, it got so bad they stopped sending 'investigators' and started sending 'interviewers' bc of his false reports/claims. Sorry I got off on a tangent, but I feel for this family and will help ANY WAY I CAN. I can't help financially but I will help with the resources I have and with my time and effort

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IM Monkey Hugs to You....

Thanks JG~But they deserve ALL the credit as do all the other monkeys who have been victims, I was just shocked at my inbox and how many reached out..........it truly breaks my heart for what all DV victims have to endure

[flamom]

Finally,  heres a video about that van that LE took...............this  is very interesting!!!!

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/031809_haleigh_van_questions

I thought at first it may be Murt   .. then I watched the video.. very interesting

[klaasend]

Finally,  heres a video about that van that LE took...............this  is very interesting!!!!

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/031809_haleigh_van_questions

So, who is the family member.  Has anyone heard this before.  Is it the cousin?

Pretty sure they are referring to cousin Joe. 

[Jerseygirl345]

My email has been inundated lately by DV victims as I said last night and their desire to help in any way possible, this one gave me ger permission to use and maybe NG should read more of these stories from all our courageous Monkeys who have been DV victims themselves and ae far more compassionate:

I don't talk with people about this a lot, but I have lost custody of one of my children to her father, I have had to deal with not being able to talk to my DD and having to deal DD's step-monster from hell. My DD's father only wanted control over her and me. My DD is a pawn and they have controlled all contact, communication, recorded phone calls, I have had a restraining order on both of them, and haven't seen my DD in over a year now. I can see this same situation in Crystal...I am sorry but I do NOT agree with those that say Mother's don't lose their rights for nothing. I lost bc my children had medicaid and I didn't have a job and became preggo while going thru the custody battle. He had a job, insurance, was married (after his wife got preggo b4 they got married), and owned his own home. I had an attorney that I only was able to pay 1,000 to represent me and once the money was gone so was she and the last thing she said was give her to him, u can have more later :O who does that! So I can completely understand how Crystal felt/feels. I have lived it as well. It's a terrible place to be. He has been physically abusive to me and I believe our DD but any calls put into DFACS become 'retaliation claims' tho I have been investigated many times bc he has called, it got so bad they stopped sending 'investigators' and started sending 'interviewers' bc of his false reports/claims. Sorry I got off on a tangent, but I feel for this family and will help ANY WAY I CAN. I can't help financially but I will help with the resources I have and with my time and effort

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IM Monkey Hugs to You....

Thanks JG~But they deserve ALL the credit as do all the other monkeys who have been victims, I was just shocked at my inbox and how many reached out..........it truly breaks my heart for what all DV victims have to endure

I know what you mean....

[jules3699]

Finally,  heres a video about that van that LE took...............this  is very interesting!!!!

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/031809_haleigh_van_questions

So, who is the family member.  Has anyone heard this before.  Is it the cousin?

Yep, its the cousin that she is talking about, but that still doesnt mean that Mistie didnt put those scratches there and is just playing dumb!!!!

Misty said the blanket was in the van that THEY took!  She knows who took the van...

[higherhopes]

Finally,  heres a video about that van that LE took...............this  is very interesting!!!!

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/031809_haleigh_van_questions

That is interesting..  Who's van was this? Got alittle confused who it belong to

I like the way the newlady at the beginning of this video said ....the police is fed up with the teenage now step Mom because she cant get her story straight!!!

[Jerseygirl345]

Finally,  heres a video about that van that LE took...............this  is very interesting!!!!

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/031809_haleigh_van_questions

So, who is the family member.  Has anyone heard this before.  Is it the cousin?

Yep, its the cousin that she is talking about, but that still doesnt mean that Mistie didnt put those scratches there and is just playing dumb!!!!

Maybe thats what Fibsty ment by blanket in van....Hmmmmm

[higherhopes]

Finally,  heres a video about that van that LE took...............this  is very interesting!!!!

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/031809_haleigh_van_questions

So, who is the family member.  Has anyone heard this before.  Is it the cousin?

Yep, its the cousin that she is talking about, but that still doesnt mean that Mistie didnt put those scratches there and is just playing dumb!!!!

Misty said the blanket was in the van that THEY took!  She knows who took the van...

I think at this point when Mistie says THEY took , she is referring to LE.. taking it for evidence!!

[minnie]

Finally,  heres a video about that van that LE took...............this  is very interesting!!!!

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/031809_haleigh_van_questions

So, who is the family member.  Has anyone heard this before.  Is it the cousin?

Yep, its the cousin that she is talking about, but that still doesnt mean that Mistie didnt put those scratches there and is just playing dumb!!!!

Misty said the blanket was in the van that THEY took!  She knows who took the van...

But, wasn't that earlier in the day.  It sounds to me that Chelsea is saying the van was moved in the night after they had gotten home.  She said it wasn't parked the same way she parked it.

[islandmonkey]

Finally,  heres a video about that van that LE took...............this  is very interesting!!!!

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/031809_haleigh_van_questions

That is interesting..  Who's van was this? Got alittle confused who it belong to

  Me too~it sounded like on the video that it was Misty's....and she admitted that the blanket WAS in the van, so she had to know that Haleigh was in the van either with or scarier without her

[jules3699]

Finally,  heres a video about that van that LE took...............this  is very interesting!!!!

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/031809_haleigh_van_questions

So, who is the family member.  Has anyone heard this before.  Is it the cousin?

Yep, its the cousin that she is talking about, but that still doesnt mean that Mistie didnt put those scratches there and is just playing dumb!!!!

Misty said the blanket was in the van that THEY took!  She knows who took the van...

I think at this point when Mistie says THEY took , she is referring to LE.. taking it for evidence!!

I never thought of that....I bet your right!

[BluesyGram]

what if its the other way around-what if ron hurt Haleigh and Misty is protecting him. I havnt been  following the case-did anyone see Haleigh the day she went missing.  I am thinking it could have happend the day before not on the night they said it did. 

Yes ~ I've wondered about that, too. 

They have proof thast she was at school that day, and also a neighbor saw her outside playing with other children later that afternoon,, so accounted for up until I'd say at least dark...

  Thanks HH- so much for my theory-

I wish someone would edumacate JVM and her guests.  AGAIN tonight someone said (the ex-trouper) maybe Haleigh went missing prior to Feb  9...or maybe even 2 weeks prior and JVM didn't correct him!!!!   If she can't keep up with a case...cover something else!!!

I am afraid that woman cannot keep up with the weather, let alone a sensitive missing person's case! She is just awful.

BTW, bluesy ...your order is ready in the other thread

Brandi...you are really talented.  Thank you so much...wasn't expecting you to "dress" me so quickly.

Wish they would give Mike Brooks a chance..he seems to be able to "keep up w/the facts much better than JVM...and makes more sense.

Doing well HiHo...thanks for asking.  Hope you and yours are doing good too.

PS  Have you given up firecrackers?

[flamom]

Barbara Walters showed video of her lil dog saying I love you.. it wasamazing.. I have 2 cats that meow back to me.. 

OT what kind of dog does she have.  I have heard of the little terriers talking or miming.

A Havanese dog named Cha-Cha  never heard of a havanese