Lively Case Discussion #603 4/21 - 4/25/2007

[Patti]

Front page is OK now.  Yes Patti, I saw your 2 posts and processed them.

Oh, Oh...

I hope I don't get any hate mail...

 

[klaasend]

Interresting post by Nospinbill at BFN.  I have no idea if this person has any "inside" information or if he's speculating like the rest of us:

Interesting, indeed...

...still, "a lot of questions not answered"...

...search team returning for additional searches for Natalee

...Aruba tourism still down, barely back to 2004-05 level

...additional Aruba corruption cases coming public

...U.S. tourism trade shows by Aruba publicly highlighted more and more actively by volunteers with respect to increasing Natalee case awareness to potential tourists

...the prime suspect in Natalee's vanishing brings a book out (rumors he has tried for a high-dollar movie deal)

...JvdS journal stolen

...rumors about the AruBay videos/police actions

...Beth & Dave suing Kalpoe's

...Kalpoe's (also still suspects) suing Dr. Phil

...consistent rumors DK has tried for high-dollars interviews)

...rumors SK is gay

...approaching 2-year release from suspect status for J+J, 6-5-07

...van der Sloot's personal house maid is dead

...consistent rumors about wiretapping evidences

...consistent rumors about PvdS home+property and how entire home+property was not allowed by judge-PvdS-friend to be fully searched

...PvdS recently dressed-down by a high justice official publicly in front of peers

...PvdS arrest judged to be appropriate

...PvdS money settlement, denied by judge

...PvdS working for JvdS defense attorneys same law firm

...one JvdS lawyer went to prosecutor and disclosed JvdS heavily involved in Natalee vanishing

...JvdS photoshopping/editing a Natalee photo

...new judges in Aruba since 5-30-05

...new attorney general in Aruba since 5-30-05

...new prosecutor in Aruba since 5-30-05

...new police chief in Aruba since 5-30-05

...5-30-05 persons of interest from Aruba are in the U.S.

...approaching 2-year release from suspect status for J2K, 6-9-07

...consistent rumors about what the balance of the 5-29-05 Excelsior casino video tapes reveal

...rumors about a second J2K car videotape from 5-30-05

...Dutch investigators (versed in case files now) are on the ground in Aruba, armed & digging, etc,  again  (consistent rumors of a crown witness, and 5 "new" witnesses---two of those being 5-30-05 CnC employees---and several "existing" witnesses, developing/re-developing)...

...and all the while, the medias are also collectively ramping up for their returns at the 2-year mark, and still the case is not solved, yet,  no arrests in nearly a year, and still no one(s) charged, yet,  and still no court case(s), yet

[Angiex911dsptchr]

I'm stupid when it comes to these abreviations...

What does FWIW mean?

 FWIW

For What Its Worth

dont feel bad Patti.. when I first started on SM.. I had no clue wth MSM was..lol

Hey, Girl!

It's good to see your smiling face!!!

Hope your feeling better.

Like my new gig?

 Hey chicky!
 Love what Klaas and CBB have done to you!    It looks awesome!
I am feeling better. TY!  

[Anna]

As you may or may not know this video was posted by the same person who posted the painting of the rocks video. This is important in that I felt that a news story regarding these photo’s may well help us identify this individual. In other words someone might well come forward with information.

Not everyone is going to agree with my decision to allow David Wright to run with the story, but, I trust him and he has always written his Natalee Holloway stories with great truth and accuracy. I challenge anyone to find a lie on any of David Wright’s stories regarding this case. Please remember that we need friends like David Wright to keep the pressure on in Aruba. And for all of your participant’s information I want to make this very clear, NO One, and that includes me, has profited from these stories. Thanks, Art
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He doesn't say that it is fake... just the opposite, right?

Patti,
I do like that avatar very much!  But I am partial to blonde doll types, lol!


Art is saying that it is wrinkles in the plastic, not a fake but nothing can really be seen through the plastic into the bag.  So basically, we are not seeing inside into the contents of the bag but artifacts of the wrinkles in the plastic.

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[Angiex911dsptchr]

http://www.canada.com/topics/sports/index.html

Canucks pull out Game 7 win

Linden scores third-period tiebreaker as Canucks defeat Dallas 4-1
Trevor Linden scored the go-ahead goal in the third period to lift the Vancouver Canucks to Game 7 win over the Dallas Stars 4-1 in their NHL Western Conference quarter-final series Monday night.

YAHOO!!!

  CONGRATS  Janet!!    

[Tamikosmom]

Angie ... next time.  All the carrot cake with cream cheese icing is gone .... enjoyed by all ... nobody suspected.  Presentation is everything ... hide the Safeway packaging ... cut in large serving size pieces .... place on attractive serving place.

Janet

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Angie ... next time.  All the carrot cake with cream cheese icing is gone .... enjoyed by all ... nobody suspected.  Presentation is everything ... hide the Safeway packaging ... cut in large serving size pieces .... place on attractive serving place.

Janet

  ROFL  
 You did well then my friend!    

[msmarple]

No, Art doesn't say the photos are fake and clearly does not believe the Photoshop manipulation was done to mislead, but rather to enhance what's there.

However, Art is "skeptical" as he says in this excerpt from that message:

I told him that I do not have high speed Internet and was unable to view the entire video but that I had received photo’s that were enhanced thru photo shop from Blonde. I advised David that I had arranged for professional examination of these pictures and the Video and that the early results of this examination were not promising. A Professor at the University of Florida who examined the data advised me that he believes the images which some people believe to be of Natalee are “Artifact” shadows of the plastic. I made it very to clear to everyone that Dave Holloway and I are very skeptical of the video and photo’s because of the fact that Dave searched the area repeatedly during the first few days of June and also because of the fact that whoever posted the video has never come forward.

That isn't a definitive negative, but it's not very positive either.

[Patti]

Well, Anna... I don't know.

I think that he is saying both things and not sure why.

That's why I have ignored it because I'm not sure what to make out
of it.

If this friend of his is, truly, honest; he would not have printed the
article.  Being suspect of the videos doesn't mean that it's not real.
I tend to see the positive side and believe the ending of the letter,
rather than the beginning.

I don't know what to make of it...

[Angiex911dsptchr]

As you may or may not know this video was posted by the same person who posted the painting of the rocks video. This is important in that I felt that a news story regarding these photo’s may well help us identify this individual. In other words someone might well come forward with information.

Not everyone is going to agree with my decision to allow David Wright to run with the story, but, I trust him and he has always written his Natalee Holloway stories with great truth and accuracy. I challenge anyone to find a lie on any of David Wright’s stories regarding this case. Please remember that we need friends like David Wright to keep the pressure on in Aruba. And for all of your participant’s information I want to make this very clear, NO One, and that includes me, has profited from these stories. Thanks, Art
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He doesn't say that it is fake... just the opposite, right?

Patti,
I do like that avatar very much!  But I am partial to blonde doll types, lol!


Art is saying that it is wrinkles in the plastic, not a fake but nothing can really be seen through the plastic into the bag.  So basically, we are not seeing inside into the contents of the bag but artifacts of the wrinkles in the plastic.

.

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Klaas.. interesting post from BFN

Hi Anna!!

 I have watched Forensic Files for years and have seen some shows where they used garbage bags.   What the suspects used.. and when they ran tests on it.. it clearly showed the image of the victim.  
  Carpes photobucket has always intrigued me for this same reason.
 I wanted to go to school REALLY bad for forensics ...... and had a detective talk me out of it.. telling me a person could work on one strand of hair for a year or longer. He even teached criminology at the local college here.  Id love ot be in school anyhow for something in that  type of field.. but fear I am getting too old.. LOL  < sorry, I am rambling on here..lol>

[Anna]

Well, Anna... I don't know.

I think that he is saying both things and not sure why.

That's why I have ignored it because I'm not sure what to make out
of it.

If this friend of his is, truly, honest; he would not have printed the
article.  Being suspect of the videos doesn't mean that it's not real.
I tend to see the positive side and believe the ending of the letter,
rather than the beginning.

I don't know what to make of it...

I think Art is saying they went ahead with the story while the analysis of the photo was taking place, based on the outcome of that analysis.  Then later the photo was deemed to show only wrinkles in the plastic.  Getting the story back in the public eye was the main point, I think.  But it was later determined by experts that it is artifacts or wrinkles in the plastic.

Like looking at clouds, I think we can all see something if we look hard enough.

Good nite, all!

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[Patti]

Janet:

I got to tell you, I love hockey, too.

I used to live in Portland, Oreogn, home of the Winter Hawks, Junior
Hockey league.  Had season tickets - front row - center - behind the
goal so you know there was plenty of action.

The best Hockey I ever saw played was when they hosted the Cup.

Mind you, this was the minor league and was before all the various
cities got pro teams in the U.S.  It was awesome.  I think the younger players REALLY play with their hearts in the games as they are hoping
to be drafted into the pros.    The best part was that Portland won!

It was probably in 1983, or so.

I LOVE HOCKEY!!!

[msmarple]

The way I see it, if Art Wood REALLY thought the image was Natalee - that we were ON to something - I don't think he would have selected National Enquirer as his forum ...

But on the other hand, it was a great, NE kind of hook, for keeping the story out there.

Apologies if it's Inquirer rather than Enquirer. I just do not pay a bit of attention to the tabloids!

[Patti]

As you may or may not know this video was posted by the same person who posted the painting of the rocks video. This is important in that I felt that a news story regarding these photo’s may well help us identify this individual. In other words someone might well come forward with information.

Not everyone is going to agree with my decision to allow David Wright to run with the story, but, I trust him and he has always written his Natalee Holloway stories with great truth and accuracy. I challenge anyone to find a lie on any of David Wright’s stories regarding this case. Please remember that we need friends like David Wright to keep the pressure on in Aruba. And for all of your participant’s information I want to make this very clear, NO One, and that includes me, has profited from these stories. Thanks, Art
_______________________________

He doesn't say that it is fake... just the opposite, right?

Patti,
I do like that avatar very much!  But I am partial to blonde doll types, lol!


Art is saying that it is wrinkles in the plastic, not a fake but nothing can really be seen through the plastic into the bag.  So basically, we are not seeing inside into the contents of the bag but artifacts of the wrinkles in the plastic.

.

.

Klaas.. interesting post from BFN

Hi Anna!!

 I have watched Forensic Files for years and have seen some shows where they used garbage bags.   What the suspects used.. and when they ran tests on it.. it clearly showed the image of the victim.  
  Carpes photobucket has always intrigued me for this same reason.
 I wanted to go to school REALLY bad for forensics ...... and had a detective talk me out of it.. telling me a person could work on one strand of hair for a year or longer. He even teached criminology at the local college here.  Id love ot be in school anyhow for something in that  type of field.. but fear I am getting too old.. LOL  < sorry, I am rambling on here..lol>

Hey... Your never too old.  Just think how much you would enjoy your
work, doing what you love to do.  That's enough to keep you feeling
young.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

  Oh My its getting bad here...  No tthe forum.. but our weather.
 I NEVER in my life heard the crash like I did a few minutes ago.. it was SO loud.. the whole house shook and lit up.. and now all I hear is sirens.
 I lost my DSL connection. Its back now for the moment. I still hear sirens..  ALOT of'em? Cant tell where the firetrucks are going.  its only sprinkling here right now too?  VERY WEIRD!
  I see my post went thru before I got booted off DSL and AOL both.
  Freaking creepy here in my part of PA  

[Patti]

The way I see it, if Art Wood REALLY thought the image was Natalee - that we were ON to something - I don't think he would have selected National Enquirer as his forum ...

But on the other hand, it was a great, NE kind of hook, for keeping the story out there.

Apologies if it's Inquirer rather than Enquirer. I just do not pay a bit of attention to the tabloids!

So are you saying that the videos are fake or the filtering that went in
to producing the image through the plastic?

[Observer]

You lovely caring Ladies..I hope you fight this hard If I ever go missing

[Patti]

You lovely caring Ladies..I hope you fight this hard If I ever go missing

Hopefully, you aren't going to go missing any time soon... there's
alot of work to be done...

Smiles to you, *******...

I hope that comment includes me, too.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Working structure fire down the street from me.. like 6 house down.. whole works outside.. gona go out on the porch.. Flames sky high in the air..          
I woke the hubby out of bed.. idiot is on the porch in his front of the looms..    

[Karo]

Klass, from the list you posted, these are things I have never heard or have missed:

...rumors about the AruBay videos/police actions

...rumors SK is gay

...van der Sloot's personal house maid is dead

...consistent rumors about what the balance of the 5-29-05 Excelsior casino video tapes reveal

...rumors about a second J2K car videotape from 5-30-05 [do we know about a first?]

...consistent rumors of a crown witness, and 5 "new" witnesses---two of those being 5-30-05 CnC employees---and several "existing" witnesses, developing/re-developing)...

Like you, I'd love to know where the poster is getting his info.